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TMNFTT_THU_20260820_060600.ts · First Thing Today with Joe Thomas

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  Speaker 1: I'm not a polished politician up here. National security is
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  Speaker 1: not my thing.
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  Speaker 2: The first thing today on the Talk Media Network by
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  Speaker 2: Joe Thomas Stewart.
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  Speaker 3: Said, steal me stem at least for work.
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  Speaker 4: When my son comes up, drops.
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  Speaker 5: A pet to school.
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  Speaker 6: Joe has everything, a dream, do all the jos, No wonder,
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  Speaker 6: Joe's smoke.
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  Speaker 7: He only is.
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  Speaker 8: Joey you letting me be of service to you? No, no, no, no,
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  Speaker 8: I'm not going to run for a US Senate in
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  Speaker 8: South Carolina for first and foremost being, I don't live
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  Speaker 8: in South Carolina. And uh so, but that clip from
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  Speaker 8: yesterday's debate between Congressman Norman and uh Lindsey Graham's sister
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  Speaker 8: who is running for the position, and you know, one
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  Speaker 8: of the things and I know that people, well you know,
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  Speaker 8: she's just she's new to this. Joe, you got it, Okay,
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  Speaker 8: I get it. Then, and she does say that a
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  Speaker 8: little bit later on in the interview in the debate,
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  Speaker 8: we have the part where she which she says that
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  Speaker 8: I'm just.
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  Speaker 1: Gonna be honest to you, I'm not on national security,
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  Speaker 1: that I'm not that informed on national security.
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  Speaker 8: So and that's fine. I mean, you don't hear A
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  Speaker 8: lot of people say that, but you expect us to
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  Speaker 8: believe that. You never talk to your brother ever, sixty
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  Speaker 8: some of yours. You never spoke to him at all
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  Speaker 8: about Taiwan. The question was, of course about Taiwan and
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  Speaker 8: what we should be doing there. And you know this
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  Speaker 8: this text message from Sherylyn who said, not fair, Joe,
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  Speaker 8: nobody prepares for a Taiwan question. Everything is about Iran.
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  Speaker 8: In the next six years, Taiwan's probably going to come up.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not a polished politician up here on national security
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  Speaker 1: is not my thing.
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  Speaker 8: And I can see from this answer that is the
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  Speaker 8: campaign vote for somebody who's never even thought about being
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  Speaker 8: in politics. For politics, I mean, at least Alexandra occasional
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  Speaker 8: Cortex had political aspirations of us of a type anyway.
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  Speaker 8: She had traveled in the circles. So when the casting
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  Speaker 8: call came for bring down the House and Chakra Barti
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  Speaker 8: came around looking for, you know, the next American person.
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  Speaker 8: She had some political aspirations. They're not good ones, they're
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  Speaker 8: not constitutional ones. Which had them anyway, doesn't sound like
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  Speaker 8: Darlene Nardone ever did, which is fine, you don't have to,
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  Speaker 8: but then don't say I want now, I want to
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  Speaker 8: be senator for six years, because what's happened over the
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  Speaker 8: last ten years or so is we've become pretty sure
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  Speaker 8: that even the most seasoned politicians get run by somebody.
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  Speaker 8: So she's just telling us, I send me here and
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  Speaker 8: I will be, you know, the puppet of whoever happens
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  Speaker 8: to be pulling my strings at the moment. And you know,
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  Speaker 8: that's not great, and it's not a happy thing to
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  Speaker 8: say about someone, but it's a worry and South Carolinians
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  Speaker 8: are going to have to decide this. In a week,
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  Speaker 8: President Trump announced that Phase two of his combat with
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  Speaker 8: Iran is economic operations. He called them the most crushing
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  Speaker 8: ones ever taken against the country and said the economic
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  Speaker 8: actions he's taking without specificity, is akin to an economic
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  Speaker 8: d Day. Meanwhile, Iran's leaders have considered attacking US assets
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  Speaker 8: in Europe. Many of the reporters are equating US assets,
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  Speaker 8: American assets to military targets. I don't share their confidence
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  Speaker 8: Intelligence surveillance in public? Or is it just a way
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  Speaker 8: to get conservatives to say, yeah, let's defund the police.
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  Speaker 8: A legal fellow with the Cato Institute, Mike Fox, has
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  Speaker 8: just published an article called the Digital Panopticon, Why automated
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  Speaker 8: surveillance threatens a free society. Mike, thank you for joining
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  Speaker 8: us this week. And I know this debate about security
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  Speaker 8: cameras has even gotten to the point where we've had
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  Speaker 8: somebody drive down from New York and start shooting up
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  Speaker 8: Page County flock cameras. And I don't know why. We
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  Speaker 8: haven't really figured out why he did it, but he
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  Speaker 8: was at that point where he even decided taking a
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  Speaker 8: pot shot at a deputy. It was a good idea
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  Speaker 8: as well for his future prospects. Yeah, the reason I
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  Speaker 8: tell that story is because I believe that we have
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  Speaker 8: extremes in this story. And I think one side is
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  Speaker 8: that anything that has to do with policing, whether it
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  Speaker 8: be a surveillance camera or Heaven's sake, it's a deputy
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  Speaker 8: on the side of the road, is bad and needs
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  Speaker 8: to be fought back against. Versus certainly, as you point
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  Speaker 8: out in the title of your story, a surveillance state.
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  Speaker 8: Where is the right answer, which I always feel like
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  Speaker 8: is somewhere in the middle of all that.
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  Speaker 15: Yeah, absolutely, thanks for having me and say, obviously, you know,
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  Speaker 15: destroying property that doesn't belong to you is always against
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  Speaker 15: the law, has never advised. But it is really good
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  Speaker 15: to see the public rising up, not in that way,
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  Speaker 15: but in you know, calling their city council members, their
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  Speaker 15: state representatives they are members of Congress, and really going
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  Speaker 15: to community meetings and pushing back against the surveillance state.
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  Speaker 7: But yeah, as you noted, what we have in the.
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  Speaker 15: Criminal justice discourse often tends to be extremes. One is
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  Speaker 15: like the abolished prisons, defund the police movement, which is
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  Speaker 15: deeply unseerious. There are really some dangerous people who need
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  Speaker 15: to be dealt with and need to be incarcerated, and
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  Speaker 15: we need the law enforcement to keep us safe and
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  Speaker 15: enforce our laws.
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  Speaker 7: Always happy to have a separate discussion.
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  Speaker 15: About the Yeah, absolutely, they're how we things that we
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  Speaker 15: shouldn't be policing.
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  Speaker 7: But that's a different topic.
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  Speaker 15: But for today, you know, when you look at the
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  Speaker 15: surveillance state, we don't all want thousands of cameras set
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  Speaker 15: up watching our every move. We don't actually know how
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  Speaker 15: many Flock cameras exist. And Flock is just a company.
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  Speaker 15: It's like you know, calling a soda that people drink
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  Speaker 15: coke as as to soda. Right, So Flock is a
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  Speaker 15: form of automated license plate reader which is known as ALPRs,
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  Speaker 15: and they're extremely sophisticated. So, as I just said, we
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  Speaker 15: don't know how many actually exist. According to Flock, there's
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  Speaker 15: at least one hundred and twenty thousand. I think there's
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  Speaker 15: probably more. And then as I mentioned, there's other companies
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  Speaker 15: that run these aps on who make body cameras for
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  Speaker 15: police officers, and they're in at least five thousand law
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  Speaker 15: enforcement agencies across six thousand communities. And it's also important
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  Speaker 15: to note that they don't just exist within law enforcement
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  Speaker 15: like there will be private companies and home owners associations
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  Speaker 15: and businesses that might have these flock cameras, and we
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  Speaker 15: don't know. Does the data they collect and with them
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  Speaker 15: they raise it thirty days later, niney days later, one
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  Speaker 15: hundred days later, or does it go into some system
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  Speaker 15: that just stays in perpetuity and allows us to track
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  Speaker 15: people in real time because there is no real law
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  Speaker 15: in many jurisdictions, if not most jurisdictions, saying what canon
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  Speaker 15: can't be done with that data?
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  Speaker 8: That's always been one of the starting points for me
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  Speaker 8: is you know, I'm not a luddite. I know that
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  Speaker 8: cameras exist, and and so acting like we can somehow
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  Speaker 8: get rid of cameras does doesn't seem serious either. So
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  Speaker 8: how do you create a law a legal system that
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  Speaker 8: addresses I don't know, admissibility that kind of thing? Is
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  Speaker 8: Is that a starting point to start to talk about, Well,
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  Speaker 8: we know cameras will exist. What what is the protection
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  Speaker 8: of somebody's civil liberties in a courtroom, you know, against
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  Speaker 8: these frozen moments in time without context.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, that's a good question, and it's not currently clear.
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  Speaker 15: There were the case that was decided a few months ago,
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  Speaker 15: maybe back in June called Chatre and that the court
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  Speaker 15: hinted at like geolocation data or said that gilocation data
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  Speaker 15: as some type of you know, privacy concern is important.
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  Speaker 15: So I think they'll see that coming forward with new
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  Speaker 15: types of protections. But since you're in Virginia, i'll mention
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  Speaker 15: our friends at the Institute for Justice have been litigating
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  Speaker 15: the case challenging the use of block cameras in Norfolk,
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  Speaker 15: and as far as I know, the case is pending
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  Speaker 15: before the Fourth Circuit, which is the federal appellate court
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  Speaker 15: that sits in Richmond.
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  Speaker 7: And is jurisdiction over Virginia.
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  Speaker 15: And I believe the federal judge in that case ruled
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  Speaker 15: that the use of these cameras across the city doesn't
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  Speaker 15: violate the Fourth Amendment right against unreasonable searches and seizures
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  Speaker 15: because the cameras are taking discrete pictures at different locations.
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  Speaker 15: You know, the problem with that ruling is that it's
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  Speaker 15: not really bright. I mean, sure, if one camera takes
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  Speaker 15: a picture of you, Okay, I don't like it, but
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  Speaker 15: I could see it.
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  Speaker 7: But when they're.
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  Speaker 15: Thousand of them, and I don't remember how many are
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  Speaker 15: in Norfolk, but there's a lot and they can crack
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  Speaker 15: everywhere you go.
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  Speaker 7: They're all linked together.
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  Speaker 15: It's this one big I don't want to call it happy,
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  Speaker 15: but one big system of every you know, everywhere you go,
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  Speaker 15: it's all linked. And I can give you some examples
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  Speaker 15: of how this has played out. As far as we know,
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  Speaker 15: there's at least sixty nine instances where law enforcement has
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  Speaker 15: abused these. Of course, departments don't authorize this type of behavior,
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  Speaker 15: but it happens. As my colleague Matt Cavedan said, there's
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  Speaker 15: really two main issues here. There's the imperfect system which
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  Speaker 15: we can get to, and there's imperfect people. So we
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  Speaker 15: know that there's been at least sixty nine cases across
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  Speaker 15: the country where officers have been accused, you know, indicted,
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  Speaker 15: in charge, convicted. And this is just the ones we
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  Speaker 15: know of that are documents, and I'm sure there's more
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  Speaker 15: of abuse. And at least fifteen of those cases came
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  Speaker 15: to light not because of internal audit procedures departments have,
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  Speaker 15: so in many cases, departments may not have formal audit procedures.
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  Speaker 15: But I would also say that when departments do, the
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  Speaker 15: idea that departments are always going to be disciplining their
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  Speaker 15: officers is just simply not true, although we have seen
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  Speaker 15: recently some instances where departments have just cut loose their
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  Speaker 15: contracts with Locke. I mentioned Chadler Arizona in my piece.
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  Speaker 15: I think that was due to some abuses by officers.
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  Speaker 15: But there's other departments. The LAPD in Los Angeles while
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  Speaker 15: getting the thirty two false positive rate, wow, so they
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  Speaker 15: stop using them. Roseville, California was seventy one percent over
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  Speaker 15: a two year period. They misread plates. And these are
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  Speaker 15: hugely problematic because they place both law enforcement officers and
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  Speaker 15: the public a tremendous, tremendous danger because we want to
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  Speaker 15: limit involuntary encounter with law enforcement. And every good police
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  Speaker 15: officer will tell you one of the most dangerous things
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  Speaker 15: they do is make traffic stops. So when you have
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  Speaker 15: these high false positive rates, what will happen is, you know,
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  Speaker 15: I'll drive by, my plate will have a zero, and
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  Speaker 15: the person with a warrant has an O in their plate,
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  Speaker 15: so the officer will get an alert. They'll initiate a
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  Speaker 15: felony stop, thinking, you know, I have a stolen car,
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  Speaker 15: I have a warrant for some violent crime. Now I'm
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  Speaker 8: to your text, John, is that the Fourth Amendment unlike
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  Speaker 2: First Thing Today on the Talk Media Network by Joe Thomas,
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  Speaker 2: the second most famous Thomas and Charlotte's fifty.
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  Speaker 14: Sixth man who signed a declaration of independence in the
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  Speaker 14: thirty seven who signed the Constitution, is to.
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  Speaker 4: You, mister Jefferson, will miss you mo than you well know.
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  Speaker 7: God bless you.
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  Speaker 8: Please, mister Madison. Heaven help these fools, then legislates.
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  Speaker 19: Rights away.
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  Speaker 8: The institute bears the name of a great roman who
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  Speaker 8: thought about individual rights long before enlightenment came upon us.
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  Speaker 8: Kato the younger, but the Cato Institute. Mike Fox on
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  Speaker 8: us talking about this digital an opticon of surveillance and
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  Speaker 8: how to deal with it, and the Fourth Amendment we
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  Speaker 8: were talking about, Mike, and I appreciate you coming. Truly
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  Speaker 8: believe the Fourth Amendment was designed to make this kind
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  Speaker 8: of thing, even though certainly George Mason couldn't have known
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  Speaker 8: this when he scribbled it down, but the idea was
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  Speaker 8: to make it hard to go and arrest somebody. And
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  Speaker 8: I think the answer you tell me if I'm crazy
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  Speaker 8: or if I'm tilting at windmills. Sure, let's just make
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  Speaker 8: every instance that you want to do something with a
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  Speaker 8: flag camera require you go before a judge and prove
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  Speaker 8: to them.
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  Speaker 15: Why.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, no, I agree.
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  Speaker 15: And what I should clarify is, I don't know where
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  Speaker 15: in the process that would come is like me simply
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  Speaker 15: driving by would that require a warrant?
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  Speaker 7: I mean, obviously that's not practical as.
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  Speaker 8: Much as that. Yeah, well, but I think that's the
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  Speaker 8: point of the Fourth Amendment, is to make it impractical
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  Speaker 8: to just arrest usual suspects, because that's what the King
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  Speaker 8: of England was doing, was just arresting a bunch of
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  Speaker 8: people to see who was gonna, you know, who they
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  Speaker 8: he could squeeze.
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  Speaker 7: One hundred percent.
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  Speaker 15: So my next one was going to be maybe, so
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  Speaker 15: maybe it would be okay if you're gonna, you know,
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  Speaker 15: use them in real time, like I'm going to track
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  Speaker 15: you from one place to another, that I need a warrant.
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  Speaker 15: But my I think, my whole point of bringing this
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  Speaker 15: up is I just don't really think that having a
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  Speaker 15: warrant requirement for flock cameras or ALPRs is practical.
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  Speaker 7: Which is why my proposed solution here is you just
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  Speaker 7: get rid of them. You just get rid of them.
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  Speaker 15: There there's nothing blocking law enforcement from doing good old
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  Speaker 15: fashioned investigations. It's not to say that we're that there's
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  Speaker 15: no cameras at all, right, there's still cameras. I was
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  Speaker 15: a public defender before flock cameras existed, and you know,
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  Speaker 15: surveillance footage from businesses, from government buildings, like, it's not
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  Speaker 15: like there's no there's no cameras at all. I mean,
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  Speaker 15: my my preference and I think This is more extreme
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  Speaker 15: than some people. Isn't that you impose a warrant requirement
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  Speaker 15: on FLOT cameras, although of course the Supreme Court, as
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  Speaker 15: I mentioned, is going to have to decide, you know,
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  Speaker 15: is eventually or other courts you have to decide is
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  Speaker 15: that capturing of someone's information at a specific point.
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  Speaker 7: In time search or not? And if so, you know
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  Speaker 7: what it require warrant. But I think the real.
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  Speaker 15: Solution is just getting rid of these cameras entirely. I
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  Speaker 15: just am not of the mindset that we can You
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  Speaker 15: know that we need a mass surveillance network of one
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  Speaker 15: hundred and thirty plus thousand cameras spread across the country,
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  Speaker 15: tracking everything we do at every time. And those are
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  Speaker 15: just the FLOT cameras we know about. There was other companies.
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  Speaker 15: There's of course cameras that aren't FLOT cameras. I mentioned
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  Speaker 15: in my piece a poll camera, right, because what I
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  Speaker 15: was talking about is, well there is also.
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  Speaker 8: Get Ring and all these ones. Every time there's a
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  Speaker 8: man hunt, I get a shareff's email saying we want
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  Speaker 8: any residents to share their Ring camera footage from this
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  Speaker 8: date and this time. So you've even got that on
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  Speaker 8: top of.
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  Speaker 15: It, right, you have ring cameras, which you know, my
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  Speaker 15: advice to that is, don't have a ring camera, but
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  Speaker 15: pole cameras. Sometimes, you know, a government will install a
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  Speaker 15: camera on a utility poll. Sometimes they're obvious, sometimes they're hidden.
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  Speaker 15: And there is another case that my colleague Laura Matt
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  Speaker 15: file a brief on challenging this because the camera just
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  Speaker 15: like looks into someone's backyard and we're like, you have
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  Speaker 15: to have an expectation of privacy.
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  Speaker 8: Well property, oh my god.
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  Speaker 7: So you know, like I think, to.
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  Speaker 15: Sum it up, I'm not opposed to the government having cameras,
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  Speaker 15: but I am opposed to flock cameras and ALPRs in
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  Speaker 15: the way that they are. I don't think there's a
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  Speaker 15: way to make them compatible with the Fourth Amendment because
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  Speaker 15: I really think the only way you do that is
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  Speaker 15: largely by getting warrants for every single thing they want
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  Speaker 15: to go after, which is just not possible. I mean,
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  Speaker 15: you would need think about the amount of judges you
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  Speaker 15: made judges you maybe I can finally become a judge then,
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  Speaker 15: because maybe like billions.
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  Speaker 8: Of judg I've said that before, though, Mike, is that
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  Speaker 8: we don't have enough judges. We don't have enough judges.
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  Speaker 8: This is you know, maybe correlation, maybe causation, Mike Foxcato
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  Speaker 8: dot Org. But I've said this before. We have three
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  Speaker 8: times as many people in this country as we did
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  Speaker 8: in nineteen thirty, almost four times as many people as
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  Speaker 8: we did in nineteen hundred, and ostensibly the same number
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  Speaker 8: of courtrooms. And you know what's one of the problems
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  Speaker 8: in this country. You tell me at four three four
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  Speaker 8: eight A two four two one seven. It's the idea
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  Speaker 8: that courtrooms are a place to go get screwed rather
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  Speaker 8: than to go seek justice. And that's I think intentional.
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  Speaker 8: I think it is what they want us to believe
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  Speaker 8: our society has become so that we'll vote for something else,
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  Speaker 8: because every dictatorship starts with that last election, every single one.
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  Speaker 8: A couple of emails, Ray says, First Amendment covers this
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  Speaker 8: all we need. I would much rather have you running
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  Speaker 8: the FCS. Oh, we were talking about the words first Amendment, others,
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  Speaker 8: you know, the right to publish all we need. I
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  Speaker 8: would much rather having you run the FCC rather than
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  Speaker 8: the words we use and the right to publish. Remember,
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  Speaker 8: this is a publication I, along with the Talk Media Network,
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  Speaker 8: meaning the printing press. He goes on under the subject
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  Speaker 8: of Nardone. Indeed, there is a danger of non professional
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  Speaker 8: politicians being run by their aids. But as conservatives haven't
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  Speaker 8: we often argued for campaign limits and non professional politicians. Admittedly,
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  Speaker 8: Nardone is handicapped by a tendency to speak frankly and
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  Speaker 8: tell the truth. As for Taiwan, it is clearly an
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  Speaker 8: independent country which the PRC has no rights. But she
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  Speaker 8: a more artful way of dodging the question. Great your
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  Speaker 8: point in the middle of that whole bit with Lindsey
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  Speaker 8: Graham's sister in the debate yesterday.
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  Speaker 1: If you missed it, I'm not a polished politician up
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  Speaker 8: My thing, And a lot of people in the audience went,
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  Speaker 8: oh no, but Ray, you may have heard me say this,
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  Speaker 8: and habitual users of this program, I don't mind term
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  Speaker 8: limits on congress people. I believe elections are those term limits.
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  Speaker 8: I would have if we were going to make senators
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  Speaker 8: popularly elected, I would have dramatically shortened their terms so
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  Speaker 8: the hood because the six year term was based on
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  Speaker 8: them being appointed by the governor. Once you gave that up,
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  Speaker 8: you should come maybe three. So it's not always the
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  Speaker 8: same as the House. But I've always said there needs
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  Speaker 8: to be term limits on the professional staff because those
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  Speaker 8: are the people who walk around with resumes full of
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  Speaker 8: congress people's names, you know, and they they're the ones
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  Speaker 8: that the lobbyists know. Yeah, change your congressman every two years,
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  Speaker 8: So that's fine. We run their chief of staff anyway.
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  Speaker 8: You and me, we run together every morning and we'll
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  Speaker 8: Until then, I'm Joe Thomas. So long and thanks for
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