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Interview with a Fully Conscious UFO Contactee Part Four: Worlds I Have Seen · UFOS & PARANORMAL WITH PRESTON DENNETT

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  Speaker 1: Hello everyone. My name is Preston Dennett, and welcome to
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  Speaker 1: a new episode of UFOs and the Paranormal. Got a
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  Speaker 1: very exciting episode forview today. I'm going to continue my
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  Speaker 1: series of interviews with Dolly Saffren, who is the main
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  Speaker 1: witness to my book Symmetry, a true UFO Adventure. As
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  Speaker 1: you may know, I have done three previous interviews with her.
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  Speaker 1: Today is part four, and I call it Interview with
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  Speaker 1: a Fully Conscious UFO Contact tee. Part four planets or
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  Speaker 1: rather worlds I have seen, and the three previous episodes.
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  Speaker 1: Part one was the Awakening, and that talked about how
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  Speaker 1: Dolly woke up to UFO contact and her experiences all
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  Speaker 1: the way up to each fourteen. Part two was called
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  Speaker 1: the Photographic Evidence, and that presents a lot of the
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  Speaker 1: photos in films that Dolly has been able to capture
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  Speaker 1: and that helped validate her experiences. And Part three was
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  Speaker 1: Extratrestrials I have met. So Part four today continues this series,
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  Speaker 1: and I think you'll benefit from watching these in order.
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  Speaker 1: This one will certainly stand alone. I really wanted to
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  Speaker 1: do this episode today because I think it shows some
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  Speaker 1: of the more exciting aspects of Dolly's relationship with the
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  Speaker 1: ets and the many adventures she has had, and we
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  Speaker 1: did cover some of these in the book Symmetry. But
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure we're going to learn some new stuff today
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  Speaker 1: because that always happens every time I talk to Dolly. So, Dolly,
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  Speaker 1: I really want to thank you for joining me today.
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  Speaker 1: It's a huge honor.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you, You're welcome, pleasure.
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  Speaker 1: I'm excited because, yeah, I've talked to other people who've
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  Speaker 1: seen other worlds, as you know. I did talk to
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  Speaker 1: a gentleman by the name of Jay Gardener contacting from
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  Speaker 1: West Virginia who hadn't experienced pretty much identical to yours,
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  Speaker 1: being taken to Saturn as a young kid. And we
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  Speaker 1: did cover all of this stuff in part one. So
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  Speaker 1: I really wanted to talk about some of the other
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  Speaker 1: worlds that we haven't really had a chance to talk
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  Speaker 1: about on air yet. And one that really intrigues me
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  Speaker 1: because you actually got to land and walk on the surface,
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  Speaker 1: was this small, rocky world, if I remember correctly, with
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  Speaker 1: a lighter gravity, that was somewhat nearing the end of
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  Speaker 1: its life cycle. Is that correct?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, it was a planet in a solar system in
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  Speaker 2: our galaxy that it was heading in toward its star
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  Speaker 2: and its gravity was being lightened somewhat. It was a
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  Speaker 2: planet that was starting to lose mass because it was
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  Speaker 2: heating up and water was disappearing. It was getting hotter
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  Speaker 2: there every day. It is out gassing, and so I
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  Speaker 2: got to see the end of the beginning of its
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  Speaker 2: end of ice cycle. It would have reached a point
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  Speaker 2: when it got too close to the Sun that everything
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  Speaker 2: would have burned up. It would have had molten issues
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  Speaker 2: with lava and volcanic eruptions and things like that. And
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  Speaker 2: they wanted me to see really close to the end
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  Speaker 2: of that cycle. So we actually landed and we got
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  Speaker 2: to walk around a little bit. UH. We had breathing
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  Speaker 2: apparatus because there was really bad and it was kind
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  Speaker 2: of interesting. It was extremely hot, and it taught me
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  Speaker 2: a huge lesson that our planets are volatile, that they
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  Speaker 2: any change in distance from the Sun, its size, anything
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  Speaker 2: caused this planet to go through unbelievably cataclysmic UH situations,
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  Speaker 2: And this one was right there, and that's why I went.
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  Speaker 2: It was very cool.
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  Speaker 1: So about hold were you.
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  Speaker 2: I was young, I was flying, I was learning to fly,
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  Speaker 2: and I was probably twenty two twenty three somewhere around there,
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  Speaker 2: still making my way through the galaxy pretty much, learning
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  Speaker 2: all the ins and outs of approaching planets and systems
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  Speaker 2: and knowing where I was. It was a journey of discovery,
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  Speaker 2: but it was also a journey for me to learn
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  Speaker 2: about how incredibly diverse and our systems are, and how
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  Speaker 2: each one follows a certain pattern of birth, life and death.
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  Speaker 2: And that was my journey at that time.
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  Speaker 1: All right, So you went down with a group of
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  Speaker 1: people and grades as well.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, uh huh. We were with Talaa and there were
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  Speaker 2: probably thirty people who went down. There's probably five of
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  Speaker 2: us were Earth human and the rest were either Grace
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  Speaker 2: or Tall Whites. It was a mix, and we were
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  Speaker 2: all students and we were learning.
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  Speaker 1: Well, so was this an hour long trip could just take?
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  Speaker 2: We were there, It took about It took about, I
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  Speaker 2: don't know, about half an hour to land, and then
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  Speaker 2: then we're stasis for a while. We can't come out.
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  Speaker 2: It's even too dangerous for us to exit the craft.
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  Speaker 2: When we're flying like that, it's got a lot of
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  Speaker 2: radiation around it. It's very hot, so we have to
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  Speaker 2: cool down, we have to evacuate what's around it, you know,
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  Speaker 2: give us a chance to get down ramp uh. Then
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  Speaker 2: we proceed to do that and there's like protocols for
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  Speaker 2: what we do and we stay in the group, we
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  Speaker 2: stay with we have buddy system, that kind of thing.
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  Speaker 2: We're all monitored the whole time we're out. And we
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  Speaker 2: were probably two and a half hours out and we
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  Speaker 2: had a way to shade ourselves and we had I
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  Speaker 2: gear on and breathing apparatus and we collected It's not
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  Speaker 2: just a oh, let's go look, it's a scientific expedition
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  Speaker 2: as well. They're curious about everything, so we took samples
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  Speaker 2: of things. Everything is making sure that we understand the
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  Speaker 2: science of this as well as they know the science
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  Speaker 2: of that particular planet. In other ones, they're watching it
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  Speaker 2: to evolve and they want to know everything. So we
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  Speaker 2: helped with that actually, So that was pretty cool.
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  Speaker 1: So there's life on the spot, like trees, so yes.
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  Speaker 2: What was left, and there was some animal life left.
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  Speaker 2: We took samples of everything. It was mostly insectoid a
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  Speaker 2: type of you know, amphibious lizardy kind of things, not
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  Speaker 2: water ones, but you know, iguana type things, weird looking stuff.
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  Speaker 2: There were spiders, there were flies, there were just all
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  Speaker 2: kinds of things and nats, you name it. They were
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  Speaker 2: dying out at this point. We saw a lot of
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  Speaker 2: carcasses and stuff like that. But yeah, it was pretty
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  Speaker 2: pretty messed up.
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  Speaker 1: There were the trees like we would look at here
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  Speaker 1: pine trees and oak trees and birch and so forth.
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  Speaker 2: It was more like desert plants that were being left.
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  Speaker 2: There were dead trees, trees everywhere, Like the area that
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  Speaker 2: I was at would have had a very nice pine forest,
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  Speaker 2: but they were all dead by then. They were just
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  Speaker 2: the carcass of trees, you know, just falling over, desiccating,
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  Speaker 2: that kind of thing. There was some upheaval of the ground,
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  Speaker 2: you know, they would have earthquakes and things and the
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  Speaker 2: earth would open up in certain places, and so we
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  Speaker 2: saw some of that. We were in an area where
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  Speaker 2: we had a big level plane to walk around on,
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  Speaker 2: but you could see off in the distance, you know,
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  Speaker 2: things that were going wrong. And they were monitoring the
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  Speaker 2: entire time that we were there because they were worried
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  Speaker 2: about us being in a situation that would have caused
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  Speaker 2: us to have to run, and so it was a
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  Speaker 2: real tight fit for us to be there for a while.
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  Speaker 1: The sky blue, no no, no, it.
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  Speaker 2: Was burnt brownish orangish red color, maybe yellows. You know,
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  Speaker 2: a lot of a lot of very bad vapors in
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  Speaker 2: the air, no real cloud formations, but it was very
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  Speaker 2: dense with dust and pollution and stuff like that, you know,
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  Speaker 2: barth pollution.
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  Speaker 1: But there it is an oxygen planet, or.
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  Speaker 2: Was it was an oxygenated planet? Yeah, any planet that
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  Speaker 2: holds life, like we know it is going to have
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  Speaker 2: a certain mix of oxygen and nitrogen on it and
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  Speaker 2: other elements as well, like we do. That's the only
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  Speaker 2: way life is sustainable. We're carbon based. We have DNA,
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  Speaker 2: we need water, we need nitrogen, we need salt, that
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  Speaker 2: kind of thing, and any plant that planet that supports
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  Speaker 2: life is going to have those parameters. And it's like
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  Speaker 2: that through the entire universe.
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  Speaker 1: So what about the sun? Was it like here on
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  Speaker 1: Earth when you just look up at the sky and
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  Speaker 1: see the sun?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was blinding is all get out. When I
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  Speaker 2: said we had protective I gear on, I'm not kidding.
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  Speaker 2: We didn't just have lenses of our eyes. We had
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  Speaker 2: like little goggly kind of things that were very thick.
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  Speaker 2: And it was bright, I mean bright. The closer you
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  Speaker 2: get to us sun, the brighter it gets, and the
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  Speaker 2: heat's intense. I mean you could feel it all of you.
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  Speaker 2: We were wearing outfits that kind of blocked that you know,
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  Speaker 2: protected us. You know, like we have fire where that
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  Speaker 2: firemen wear it's like shiny. That's the type of suits
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  Speaker 2: that we were wearing to protect us from it.
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  Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, so you stayed there for a couple of times?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, total probably total three because it's half an
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  Speaker 2: hour to forty five minutes to cool down to get out,
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  Speaker 2: and then we have to get back on and then
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  Speaker 2: he has to regenerate the engine and get us. Going
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  Speaker 2: on a planet that's like that, it's a little bit
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  Speaker 2: more difficult because we're using twice the power just to
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  Speaker 2: get out. You know, the electricity required is very very high,
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  Speaker 2: and so it takes them a minute to rev up
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  Speaker 2: the battery power at that point until they hit the
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  Speaker 2: nuclear part of the engine. And then once they do that, boom,
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  Speaker 2: we're out and they go straight up.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, so was the gravity lighter than our Earth?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, it wasn't like the Moon, like I couldn't jump
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  Speaker 2: twenty thirty feet, but it was lighter. I could tell
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  Speaker 2: it was lighter. Although it was harder to breathe, you know,
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  Speaker 2: even wearing apparatus that we can breathe, you feel suppressed somewhat,
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  Speaker 2: you know, because it's difficult. You know, you know you're
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  Speaker 2: breathing contained air that you're breathing from an apparatus, and
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  Speaker 2: you worry more about it. It goes in your brain
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  Speaker 2: and you're thinking, Okay, breathe, take the breath. Lit it out,
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  Speaker 2: take the breath. I mean the whole time I was there,
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  Speaker 2: I was thinking that it's like going on a dive.
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  Speaker 2: You know, don't forget to breathe, don't. It was like that.
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  Speaker 1: So could you smell anything?
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  Speaker 2: You could taste it? When you're on a breathing apparatus,
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  Speaker 2: you're breathing the air in the can, okay, But if
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  Speaker 2: you open your mouth you can it comes through and
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  Speaker 2: you can actually taste it, and it goes to your
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  Speaker 2: old factory nerve and it's very burnt up, very dried.
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  Speaker 2: I've been in Arizona now, so I know what that
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  Speaker 2: smells like. Burn an Arizona up a couple more hundred
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  Speaker 2: times and that would be it. You know, it's very
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  Speaker 2: burnt up smelling.
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  Speaker 1: So was this like the only planet in that solar system.
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  Speaker 2: No, No, this system had thirteen planets. Actually most of
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  Speaker 2: them were gas giants. It was a smaller planet and
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  Speaker 2: it was closer in. It's funny, there's a there's a
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  Speaker 2: pattern in solar systems where there are smaller planets nearer
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  Speaker 2: to the star, and then there's a lot of gas
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  Speaker 2: giants and then other sizes mixed in between. And this
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  Speaker 2: was one of four that was close in to the Sun.
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  Speaker 2: And this was the second one to the Sun. It
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  Speaker 2: was way further out of it, but it was going in.
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  Speaker 2: I think about it as our past. I wonder how
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  Speaker 2: far out Mercury was in the beginning and how long
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  Speaker 2: it took it to get sucked in by the Sun.
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  Speaker 2: And I think that's what I was being taught, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: that the first three planets, Mercury, Mars, Venus, I mean Mercury, Venus, Earth,
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  Speaker 2: Mars were the first four, okay, And I think Venus
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  Speaker 2: and Mercury were brought closer in over time while we
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  Speaker 2: were evolving in the Solar System. And that's what I
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  Speaker 2: was being taught.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, that's basic scientific theory. In fact, there's many
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  Speaker 1: astronomers who believe that there was, in fact a planet
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  Speaker 1: closer to the Sun than mercury.
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  Speaker 2: Right and absorbed it correct.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so yeah, that so this planet was in what
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  Speaker 1: scientists would call the Goldilocks zone or the sweet spot,
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  Speaker 1: where it's just worked for life to evolve or to
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  Speaker 1: if I should say, yeah, all right, so very cool.
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  Speaker 1: Just one last thing on that. So the life you saw,
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  Speaker 1: like lizards and smaller animals and insects, were these like
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  Speaker 1: you'd see on Earth or completely different, or they have
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  Speaker 1: nine legs or you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 2: You know there's a there's a pattern. You know, there's
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  Speaker 2: a pattern mathematically, and they know that everything's going to
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  Speaker 2: have for something. Okay, very few things have six or eight.
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  Speaker 2: Racknets have eight, flies have four that kind of thing,
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  Speaker 2: even six, there's some with six. But they're mostly insectoid.
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  Speaker 2: If it has blood in its veins, it's going to
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  Speaker 2: have a two front and two back, you know, or
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  Speaker 2: be bipedal like we are, two arms and two legs,
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  Speaker 2: and so they're mostly four limbed. Some of them have
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  Speaker 2: really fat round tails that absorb fluid, you know, in
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  Speaker 2: other words, like a camel. I saw some that looked
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  Speaker 2: like I wanted to call them camel lizards because they
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  Speaker 2: were dragging this big ass tail around, tail around that
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  Speaker 2: was full of fluid and it was surviving. You know,
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  Speaker 2: it's how it survived. If it found water, it drank
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  Speaker 2: its tailful. That freaked me out because I've never seen
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  Speaker 2: a lizard like that on Earth. Ever, there's a few
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  Speaker 2: salamanders like that, and even if you look at a platypus,
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  Speaker 2: they've got that big tail and I know it's you know,
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  Speaker 2: capable of holding fluids.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, a platypus. Yeah, we won't get into the platypus.
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  Speaker 1: That's alien itself. So you know, if there were ever
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  Speaker 1: humans or you know, suncient life as we would think
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  Speaker 1: of it on that planet.
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  Speaker 2: I never thought of to ask that question, and I've
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  Speaker 2: thought about it since then, and they said no, it
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  Speaker 2: was an evolving planet that they knew would never have
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  Speaker 2: enough time for them to plant or seed, and it
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  Speaker 2: was decided not to even try to just let it go,
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  Speaker 2: let do what it was going to do. So life
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  Speaker 2: was very very simple there, you know, very smaller animals,
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  Speaker 2: lesser developed animals, that kind of thing.
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  Speaker 1: So when we got to visit that once.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it was gone pretty shortly after that.
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  Speaker 1: So it's pretty I mean, you know, we talk about
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  Speaker 1: this in the book, But it's pretty rare that you
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  Speaker 1: get to actually land down and walk on the surface
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  Speaker 1: of another planet as opposed to getting to visit one
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  Speaker 1: and look out through the windows at it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I've landed on a lot of planets. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: our galaxy is full of habitable planets, and they actually
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  Speaker 2: know as many of them as they could possibly know,
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  Speaker 2: and they visit them regularly. Part of my training as
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  Speaker 2: a pilot flying with them was to go to different
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  Speaker 2: worlds and learn the process of contact with them. Most
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  Speaker 2: of the ones I went to were known contact In
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  Speaker 2: other words, they knew who we were, they knew what
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  Speaker 2: was all about. Very well evolved, beautiful people, different peoples. Here,
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  Speaker 2: we're just sort of backward. And I think there's only
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  Speaker 2: three other planets that I'm aware of in the in
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  Speaker 2: our galaxy that are kind of slow learners, and we're
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  Speaker 2: one of them.
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  Speaker 1: So right, Yeah, that doesn't surprise me. So did that
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  Speaker 1: plan have a name? And if it did, can you
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  Speaker 1: share it?
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  Speaker 2: I would have to speak their language to name it
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  Speaker 2: for you. I've thought really long and hard about this,
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  Speaker 2: and no, I'm not going to tell out. I said,
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  Speaker 2: don't even waste my time, because I can't give you
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  Speaker 2: their language. It's we're we've learned to our government have
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  Speaker 2: learned to use machines that make them psychic. They're not
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  Speaker 2: enabling their own abilities. They're using AI to do it.
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  Speaker 2: And although AI can do it, and does they have
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  Speaker 2: AI that is psychic, that's where they got that technology from.
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  Speaker 2: They don't want to give out languages yet because we
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  Speaker 2: don't need to know them, not yet.
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  Speaker 1: So it speaks to what slow learners we are in
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  Speaker 1: terms of at least yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Good mimics.
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  Speaker 1: It's growth.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like you don't give a jet engine to
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  Speaker 2: your child, Okay, have it with it with themselves and
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  Speaker 2: everybody else around that engine. So no, I'm not going
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  Speaker 2: to give you the name.
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  Speaker 1: All right. So we did talk a lot about you know,
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  Speaker 1: the Gray's home world already or you know they live
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  Speaker 1: and you spent a lot of time on there. That's
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  Speaker 1: really cool. But another planet we did talk about in
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  Speaker 1: the book was sort of a water world, and I
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  Speaker 1: think you've got to visit that a number of times
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  Speaker 1: and there's actually people on that planet. Yeah, you could
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  Speaker 1: talk about that world that you have seen and some
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  Speaker 1: of the adventures and studies with that.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, this is a world that actually people on this
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  Speaker 2: planet know about they've been taught and it would be Polynesia.
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  Speaker 2: The Polynesian peoples know about this world. It is what
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  Speaker 2: they consider their home world. And it is not in
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  Speaker 2: the Ple Eightes. It's beyond the Ple Eightes. In other words,
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  Speaker 2: it's in this galaxy. But if you were to go
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  Speaker 2: through the head toward Orian and go up through the
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  Speaker 2: Ple Eightes and go pass them deeper into our galaxy,
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  Speaker 2: it would be right back at the Ple Eightes and
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  Speaker 2: that system. And it is in the system of Delphi,
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  Speaker 2: which is if you're looking at a three D or
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  Speaker 2: forty or seventy map of something, you could see that
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  Speaker 2: the Delphi system would behind be further beyond the Ple Eightes.
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  Speaker 2: And it is a water world. It has land mass
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  Speaker 2: on it, but not as much as it's got water.
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  Speaker 2: And there are two types of people's living there. One
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  Speaker 2: of them actually live in the water, and they are
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  Speaker 2: not amphibious. They're mammals like we are, a type of humanoid.
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  Speaker 2: They're humanoid. They have DNA human like we do, but
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  Speaker 2: they've evolved in the water and they're very very intelligent.
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  Speaker 2: They also have bigger brains than we do, and they
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: have extra hemispheres in their brains that we don't have. Okay,
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: that's how smart they are. They're fully psychic. They're fully
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: able to manipulate their environment around them, and it's interesting
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: to know them. But I spent a lot of time
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: on the land masses and they're very Polynesian. There's a
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: girl there that I stayed with when I was on
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: this planet because I got to stay for a month
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: at a time when I went, and her name was Mietscha,
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: and she's my age, and she helped educate me to
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: their way of life. In other words, she showed me
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: that evolution doesn't mean you have to have a constructed
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: world around you. That infrastructure is not as important as
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: your inner mind and your inner ability and your inner knowledge.
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: That knowledge outweighs any infrastructure you can put on the ground.
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: And living sustainably in an environment healthy is their way
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: of living. Although they're extremely intelligent that they can do
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: almost anything they want to. They are interdimensional flight flyers.
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: They can if they choose to. Those that live on
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: the world full time prefer to be there. But they're scientists,
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: they're artists. They do many, many, many things, but they
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: manipulate and have evolved to the point that you really
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: don't need a piece of paper or they remember. They're
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: fully in contact with what consciousness really is, and that's
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: who they are. They just have a physical form stuff
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: and they're very beautiful, and anybody in Polynesia will tell
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: you that they're gorgeous. They're absolutely gorgeous. And that's where
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: they came from. Our people. That's some of them, the
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: Polynesian people here.
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: All right? So are they like? How do they have
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: blond hair and red hair and dark hair in the
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: whole range.
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: Mostly they have the darker hair. They look very dark.
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: They're not there what you would call like a tan
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: brown color their their skin. They spend a lot of
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: time outdoors and you know, they've got a lot of
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: melanin going on. They have darker eyes. They have hazel eyes,
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: brown eyes, black eyes, that kind of thing they they have.
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: Some people have more than thirty two or thirty six
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: teeth in their mouth. They have closer to like forty two,
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: and they're more they have more of the sharp teeth,
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: you know, the insizer type of teeth, like the first
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: four in the front, almost like a cat, but not really.
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: It's they got a lot of sharp teeth in their mouth,
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: and that's because they eat food and stuff like that.
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: Dell eat fish raw. They eat certain types of meat
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: you know that way. The cook things too, but it's
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: mostly raw food is what they eat, and they need
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: those teeth for that. They can crunch as well as spears.
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: Do you speak telepathically, yes.
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: They do. They have a language. It sounds like Kawhian
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: to me when I hear it. That's why her name
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: is Mitscha. And uh, it's really really cool. She tried
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: to teach me a language, but I have way too
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: much going on in my head language wise from here
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: and I when I first met her, I was learning
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: gray language and it's screwed with me. So I just said, nah,
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: I know a few words. Just put it that way.
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: I do have something in common with her, though, I
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: am part of that bloodline. I have Asian and I
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: have Japanese, I have South Korean, I have Korean blood.
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: I have Polynesian East East Asian blood lines in me.
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: And my name that they call me is that from
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: that world in its aura and when they came there's
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: places that they came to on this planet several and
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: my name originates from that so with them.
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: So yeah, so when say this is a water world,
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: we're talking just like a salt water ocean.
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: Yes, salt water, yep. Absolutely, they do have land masses
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: where there's fresh water. You gotta have fresh water to survive.
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: Humans can't drink salt water at all. But they have
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: the technology to desalinate as well, so it's not a problem.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah. They're in regular contact with the ets on a
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: ongoing base, right, all right, And what's the biggest land mass?
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: I mean, there's you said, there's lots of little islands.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: How big are we talking?
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: Well, one of the land masses is probably as big
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: as Australia. That's probably the biggest one, and then everything
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: from that fall smaller and smaller and smaller. I asked
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: when I first saw this planet, you know, why, why
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: is there more water on this world? And they just said,
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: that's the way this planet evolved. It was in a
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: system where there was more water available to calm down
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: on the planet when it was being formed. And it's
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: in a it's in a place where more water's coming
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: from out of space into it as well. You don't
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: realize it, but this planet gets water from out of
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: space every day, okay, And so this planets in a
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: really wet area and so they get a lot of
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: ice and water come in do it. That's why?
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I heard about our own asteroids. A whole asteroid,
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: but it has a lot of water in it. Yes,
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: absolutely scientific discovery.
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: Water is much more common than people realize.
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: Exactly. It's one of the basics of life period.
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so there's not a whole lot of fresh water
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: planets out there, would you say?
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, every planet that's habitable and the habitable zone and
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: it's you know, joined itself together to be a habitable
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: planet would have tons and tons of water on it
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: one where the other our planet has tons and tons
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: of water.
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: Very few planets oceans. What saying it in terms of
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: oceans and seas.
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: They all have oceans, and they all have seas, and
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: they all have fresh water on them, every single planet
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: I've ever seen.
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: But the oceans are generally salt water.
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: Yes, there's a Yeah, that's one of the basics of life.
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: Every kind of type of rock produces some kind of
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: basalt salt, okay, and the oceans are pretty much really
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: heavily salinated. Life begins in even with us, we were
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: born in saltiness and that's one of the requirements of life.
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: All right, So this water world would again be in
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: the Goldilocks zone. You know, your planets out is.
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: The one that I was on with Micha was actually
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: fifth planet out. It's a much bigger planet. It's bigger
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: than Earth, is twice the size of Earth. It is
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: not kind of locked. It does revolve as a semi
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: season and going around, and yeah, it's it's it's different
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: but the same, you know, the different parameters of things,
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: but it all falls into the same Goldilocks type of
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: life going on.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: I'm glad you brought that up because I think there's
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: some miss misconceptions about the size of a planet and
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: the gravity it has. Right, Really, gravity is more based
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: on you know, your connection to the Sun and how
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: distance is from the Sun.
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: Right, how fast your planet revolves centrifical force and the
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: weight of the planet will give you a heavier weight. Okay,
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: Earth is very dense and it moves pretty fast. I
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: mean we have one day okay cycle of turning. That
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: makes us pretty gravity heavy. We're still close enough for
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: the Sun for it to not be as heavy as
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: we could be. But yeah, it's very gravity heavy because
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: we're moving like gangbusters. There are some planets that have
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: two and three day cycles that revolve much slower, and
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: the gravity is lighter because of that. And the larger
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: the planet and the less it revolts, well, there's still
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: there's numbers that go in. It's like you know when
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: you dial up the sound and you've got the woofers
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: and the tweeters and all of that. Well, gravity is
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: kind of like that on a planet. It depends on
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: the size, the mass, which would be most of the size,
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: how fast it's revolving, and how close it is to
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: its planet, whether it's tilted or not, whether it's doing
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: if it's tidal locked, whatever. It's a lot of math
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: is going into figuring out what this planet's gravity would be.
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: It's all different, all of it.
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: How big its core is. Yes, so this water planet,
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: which was the fifth planet, would be a little bit
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: farther off than Earth.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: But yeah, it's a bigger planet, yeah, way bigger twice
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: the size of Earth. Earth is a kind of a
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: medium sized planet from what I've seen in my travels. Okay,
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: it's not a giant planet at all. Bigger then, yes,
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: it's about bigger twice the size of Earth gravity. The gravity, oh,
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: it's actually less because it's day is longer, it moves lower,
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: it revolves, and it has a little bit less gravity.
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: This is the heaviest gravity planet I've ever I was
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: born here, so I'm used to it. But I've been
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: to other places now where the gravity is much lighter.
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: And Earth did have a lighter gravity before all. You
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: know what broke loose eons ago, you know, two hundred
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: and eighty million years ago, two hundred and fifty million
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: years ago. Bad things happened, and it sped us up,
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: threw us into a different, smaller, weirder, tighter orbit, and
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: it made us grab very gravity heavy. Those animals that
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: lived on Earth, the dinosaurs, all of them were much bigger.
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: Plants were bigger, trees were bigger, less gravity at that time.
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: Now we're very gravity heavy. We're a little bit closer
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: to the Sun.
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: Humanoids were bigger the giants on Earth. Yeah, exactly, and
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: now we're not super well suited for Earth. There's a
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: lot of scientific research toward words of that. Everyone's got
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: low back.
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: Pains, that problems. Yeah.
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So this water planet had lots of life.
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: On it tons tons, yep. Every kind of life you
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: could possibly imagine, the life that's on this planet is
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: replicated here. They brought a lot of their floor and
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: their fauna with them when they brought people here, okay
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: and put them here. They have palm trees, they have
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: uh certain content, you know, papaya, They have pois, you
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: know what poi is made out of, and those plants,
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: ginger things like that. All of those came from that world.
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: They brought them here for these people to enjoy. They
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: didn't want them to be without what they were sustainably
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: used to. Every people that came to this planet were
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: put in uh zones of of ecology, you know, ecological
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: areas where we were going to survive according to how
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: we were used to it, what our DNA was scripting
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: us to be comfortable in. And that's we all came
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: out here. That's why there's so many ethnicities of us.
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: We're all the same genome, we're all human beings. We're
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: identical as a matter of fact, but we have ethnicity issues.
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: We're darker, lighter, some of us have bigger lungs. It's
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: just different. We dime out differently from different environments and
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: they were providing us with sustainable environments to live in.
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: So on that water world, do they have lions and
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: tigers and bears.
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: No, they have leats and monkeys and birds and ground
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: dwelling things. And I've seen rats, and I've seen chickens,
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: and I've seen big birds, you know, and prey birds
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: and things like that. And seagulls, Oh my god, they
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: got seagulls and big seagulls. Of boobies, you know, flat
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: footed boobies were there, and blue footed boobies and albatrosses
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: and all kinds of stuff. They had everything. I mean,
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: you name it, they had it. And it's believably lush
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: with life, all different kinds of life, different plants, you know, everything,
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: you name it, they got it.
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: And you've visited there multiple times, is that right?
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah? I spent a lot of time there. Yeah. I
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: think became very very good friends with Mitya. She and
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: I are connected and I can remote to her and
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: we do have conversations from time to time. She's my age,
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: she's an older now too, And yeah.
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: So would time flow differently there? I mean, if you
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: were to spend three years here on Earth and go
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: back to there, would be three years passing there.
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: We don't. They don't think of time like we do.
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: They don't pass timeline we do. They're living three D
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: like we are. They're in a gravity intense timeline, but
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: they gave up thinking about it that way. In other words,
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: your day begins when there's light, and your day ends
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: when there's dark, and you rest when it's dark, and
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: so they don't mark time the same way we do.
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: They have. As a matter of fact, when I met Mitcha,
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: I thought I was older, but I wasn't. She told
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: me that we were probably the same age. I'm taller
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: than Mitcha and she's shorter than I am. I thought
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: she was just younger.
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you're can answer this, But do
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: they live longer there?
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes they do. They have better health, they're not
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: polluting their bodies, they're not eating the wrong things, they're
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: not stressing themselves out with negativity, and they live very
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: good lives there. And they yes, they live a long time,
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: very long lived hundred years or more. Yes.
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and we have gotten gypped. That's terrible, all right, No,
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: I feel short lived? All right, it's gracious, okay, So
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: what else can I ask about this planet? You visited
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: there from when you were a kid all the way
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: up through adulthood. Yes.
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: Yes. The last time I was there shortly before I
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: became pregnant with my daughter, and that's the last time
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: I was there. And when I became pregnant, they banned
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: me from too much travel. And then once I was
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: a mother here I had I was traveling here, but
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: I wasn't going through the universe like I want to do.
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, very cool, very cool. Another thing we
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: covered in the book, which I thought would be fun
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: to go over because it was so dramatic, was they
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: took you to a planet that was ending its life
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: cycle ultimately was destroyed, and you got to visit this.
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: I think it was four or five times over a
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: period of years.
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was very young. The first time I saw
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: it was like ten, and they took me to a world.
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: We didn't land on it, we went very close. We
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: went into its atmosphere. It was in a twin star system,
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: and the planet was devolving because the sun was because
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: it was being eaten by its twin and it was
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: swelling up and getting bigger and bigger and bigger, like
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: a red dwarf star, okay, and it was literally eating
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: into its own solar system, and this planet was losing
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: its life. It was going into that, and so I
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: saw the beginning of it. They had evacuated everybody off
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: this planet because there was life living on it. They
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: actually had a population of people, and they were thousands
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: of years in the process of getting everything gone, and
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: we were going to visit it. It was like a science experiment.
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: We're noting the evolution of this planet in this system
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: by this star that was being eaten by another one.
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: And it was really cool the first time I saw it.
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: There was still plants and stuff on it, but it
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: looked bad and it was very dark their days. It
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: became tidal locked as a result of what was happening
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: to it, and one side the planet was already burning off,
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: and then the other half was just slowly dying in
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: the cold. And it was dark and cold, and I
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: saw mountain ranges and I saw trees, and I saw
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: all kinds of stuff, but it was just it was
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: gonna die. You could tell it was all around.
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: When you say tidal lock, that means one side is
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: facing the sun.
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: Right it quit revolving, okay, it was going down, Its
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: magnetosphere was going its poles couldn't regenerate. You know, Magnetism
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: changes on a planet that's being annihilated by a red dwarf,
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: and it slows the planet down until it stops revolving,
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: and then it's about to be eaten, massively eating all
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: one time, and it comes apart. It literally expands, just
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: like the Sun is turning into a red dwarf. The
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: planet loses its cohesion and everything starts bubbling up and
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: becomes molten and it burns. And so I saw the
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: beginning of that and went back several times, marking is
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: you know, continued progress in this It takes a long time.
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: What we think should happen over nine days a long time.
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: The universe moves at a different pace than we think.
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: And so you were watching the forests burn off and
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: the lakes.
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: Completely just being Yeah, it's just being taken out. You
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: can see water going up. I'm not getting you. It's
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: really cool. As I got older, I know about this planet.
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: I was watching it. I would be given updates by Tulada.
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: He would show me mentally, show me what was going on,
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: because they were constant contact with it, and then in
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: twenty eighteen. This is so weird to me. My father
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: passed away in twenty eighteen January the second, and I
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: was very forlorn. And they said, you're going to have
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: a joy this year and want you to know it.
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: I'm like, okay. He said, do you remember seeing a
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: supernova when you were younger? I was in my twenties
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: and I said yeah, And he said, guess what. You
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: get to see it now. They had taken me back
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: in time to watch it nova sixty million light years
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: from here. Okay, and I got to see it in
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: real time super nova here. We saw the light of
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: it finally get to Earth and I got to watch
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: it again. That boom my mind. That helped me somehow.
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: It was.
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, very plain yet. Yeah, so this is something that
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: we actually captured on the Hubble telescope. Yes, yeah, this
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: is amazing and I think it speaks towards how advanced
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: these beings truly are.
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: Take you there to see something live that actually occurred
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: in the past. Wow, yep, So you went there for
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: the last final sort of got to.
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: See it way back and yeah, we were close enough
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: that it wouldn't harm us. Because when things go super
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: and over gamma radiation is unbelievably bad. We made sure
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: that we were shielded enough and we got to witness
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: it and we got the heck out of Dodge as
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: fast as we could. In other words, we did a jump.
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: We did a light jump where we went through a door,
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: you know, a dimensional doorway. We came in watch it,
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: we let out, and it was spectacular. I mean it
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: was just you don't even know that light's about to
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: pop off, and it's brilliant. You can feel a pressure
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: from it. There's a pressure wave with it. And just
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: before the pressure wave got on us, we were gone.
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: But I could feel it coming. I mean I could
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: actually feel it coming. Made me sick to my stomach.
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: I was like, oh my god, you know, this is incredible.
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: And then we didn't have anything open. We saw the
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: light right through the skin of the craft. In other words,
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: the whole craft lit up.
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: And so did this planet By that point, is it
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: just completely pularized in pieces?
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: Yes, it was already gone. The sun ate it it
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: totally what's the word absorbed, it desiccated it. It has gone. Yeah,
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: it became part of its atmosphere is what it did.
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: So it was looking for a fuel.
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: So there's life throughout the universe. Yes, in place, as
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: you mentioned, follows the template. So this is ultimately why
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: we decided to call the book symmetry. Yes, can you
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: speak a little bit about you know how there is
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: symmetry to life throughout the universe.
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: Yes, we live in a universe that's got several aspects
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: to it. The first one is is that it's got
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: a hard drive like a computer. In other words, it's
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: three D. It's very gravity heavy. It's its mainframe. It
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: has planets, it has stars, it has all kinds of
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: chemical positions in it. It's just the main frame of life.
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: Like your body is your mainframe. Okay, our universe is
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: like that heavy duty mainframe in three D. It it
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: exists in the third dimension totally within that dimension. Within
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: that mainframe, there are twelve total dimensions of existence. Is
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: the only way I can explain that each level of
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: existence in this mainframe is a different window into the
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: next one. In other words, while you and I are
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: sitting here talking, I can tell you that there are
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: other beings existing with us, as interdimensional beings who live
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: in exactly the same space with us, and it's planet
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: wide it's universe wide. Everywhere in the universe are twelve dimensions,
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: one on top of the other. The higher than the
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: dimensions you are able to go, the more you can
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: see they can see us. We're not using our pineal guidance.
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: We're we're not using our ability to see them energetically. Okay,
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: our consciousness knows they're there, that we do see them
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: from time to time without realizing it. That's what we
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: sometimes think. Specters are ghosts or whatever some people are
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: when they pass away are still hanging out. We can
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: see them too. But there are other dimensional beings with us.
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: They're just like us. They evolve through this universe just
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: like us, and we're doing and it's very very cool.
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: All right, that's cool. At some point everyone reaches out
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: into the third dimension and goes through the that and
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: moves onward or upward or outward.
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're they're oh, well, there's way more than that. Also.
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: I mean, in our universe we have parallel universes with us.
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: There are more than one, and we're all sort of together,
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: and there are multiple universes within this universe. Dimensionally speaking,
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: it's all the same universe. Okay, armed dimensions, but there
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: are those that are aligned with us, I mean infinitely
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: aligned and each one. I was taught that we are energy,
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: we are thought, we alight, and we're conscious light, and
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: we're all together, and what they considered to be the
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: best word for it is source. We're all together in
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: this energetic space, and we come here to these bodies
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: to experience and understand and learn and know how to
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: use the knowledge that we all have innately as entities
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: in Source. We know everything there. It makes us mature,
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: It makes us elevate consciously. In other words, we become smarter, wiser, wiser, wiser.
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: And the more you're able to do with your consciousness,
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: the more you learn and know and expand your conscious mind,
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: you can evolve and we will eventually be able to
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: go up to some other level other than what we're
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: perceiving now. I think that we consciously push out, not
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: just to this universe, but to others around us. I
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: think we can live simultaneously. We're capable of it, and
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: many different and we move around through that.
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: So if we have it's kind of a tangent. But
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: we have I don't know, seven eight billion people on
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: this planet thereabouts. Yeah, is that normal? Yeah, to have
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: that many people on a planet, we're.
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: Kind of overpopulated. Nine million or billion, nine billion is excessively.
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: I think it's between seven and eight and a half. Okay,
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: it fluctuates, and yes, it's too many. We're living unsustainably.
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: We haven't learned the art of controlling our population, of
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: controlling how we exist with one another. And that's a
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: big deal.
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: And in that water world, how many people would you
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: estimate or do you know? Our living on that where
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: meshat is.
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: Probably year around three to four million people total, and
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: it's a much bigger planet.
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: So that's the billion, huh million.
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: Million million are They do not? They do not.
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: So generally speaking.
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: Garner their numbers. When you live a long time, you
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: don't need to have fifty kids. Okay, it's not the deal.
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: You're going to live a long time. You need to
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: realize that if you keep having children, you're going to
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: use up all your resources, you're going to use up
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: all your time, and you're not going to evolve in
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: the way that you need to learn and do things
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: and understand things. Parenthood is a big deal. It's a
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: very very big deal. And they regard parenthood as one
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: of the greatest challenges there are actually, but they don't
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: overuse it. In other words, they've learned to garner that influence.
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: Do they have pets like dogs and cats?
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yep, yep, yep, they have. They very good at
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: animal husbandry, and they're very good at plants, their gardeners,
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: their wise beyond belief in their caretaking of their environments.
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: You have to because this is your this is your
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: home world. This is where you exist, and even though
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: you can go other places, you still have to take
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: care of where you live. You have to use it
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: as responsibly as you possibly can, because it sustained you.
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: So there are humans and grays and mantids and blueings
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: and shirt humanoids and whales and dolphins.
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: And all of it, yes, right, and giraffes and hippos
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: and all kinds of neat looking things you've never seen before.
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: Yes, all over you're teeming with life, teeming, yes, okay.
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: So another thing that I found really interesting was you
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: got the opportunity on a number of occasions to visit
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: huge motherships with animal husbandry centers and arboretums and what
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: we here on Earth call theoretically dice in spheres y
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: artificial planetoids.
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: So these are real, Yes, they exist. They are the
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: one that I've been on. I've been on. I've been
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: to one several times. It's the same one. It's much
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: bigger than Earth and it actually revolves. It has a
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: you know, spin to it, and they move it from
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: system systems with a star so that they can get
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: within that store's gravitational field just enough to hang out
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: there for a while till they move it again. And
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: it's quite the thing to move one. They pretty much
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: leave them where they put them, and it has to
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: be a system that will allow it physically allow it
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: into that system to stay. They're huge and they contain life.
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: That is a way station. In other words, if I'm
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: going to go completely across the universe to a system
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: out there on the other side, I need someplace to
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: hold up and take a break and rest repair whatever
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: before I move on. Jumping inter dimensionally is not as
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: easy as it seems. People like, Oh, I just know
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: you're physically affected by it, like anything electromagnetic, anything where
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: you're using energy physically affects you. Every time I fly
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: with ET, I become unbelievably exhausted, and I have to
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: take breaks and everybody else does too. Being in space
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: is horrifically dangerous because you're in line with gamma radiation
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: like you can even imagine, and we have to hop
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: so that we're protected and this planetoid protects us. It
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: has its own magnetosphere because it's just revolving. They put
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: it into a situation where it's able to do that, okay,
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: and it creates its own core. It has an energy
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: core in it, just like a planet that produces the magnetosphere.
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: They have graviton wave technology. There are technology is billions
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: of years more advanced than ours, and it's very, very cool.
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: So it's an artificial situation that they mock as natural
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: a situation as they possibly can.
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: It's quite the feet and well that brings you very
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: next question, because if I could design a world or
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: the things I would do, so is this I mean
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: like like a garden inside very Yeah.
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: It's got everything. It's got oceans, it's got mountains kind
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: of sort of. It's got lakes, big lakes, you know,
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: freshwater lakes. It has places where they can grow food
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: on the outside of it. They have that ability. They
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: have a big mechanical engineering places where when a craft
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: flies in and it needs to have something done to it,
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: or that the endwell pilot the coke or the main pilot.
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: I'm a co pilot. The main pilot needs to get
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: off and go do his own thing, and he needs
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: to rest because you can't. You still expend energy. There's
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: you don't get something for nothing, You're going to use
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: energy up. When Talato and I went, he had to
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: get off that craft. He had to go be who
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: he is and rest as well as I did. And
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: it's great. It's so they have every situation you can
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: possibly think of to handle whoever's on that craft for
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: whatever reason. So we have our crafts are being repaired,
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: re replenished with things that we need to travel and
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: do whatever missions that were on that kind of thing.
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: We have animals plants that are being moved throughout the
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: universe that it's a way station for them. It's a
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: place for them to stay there until they decide where
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: this is going to go and what they're going to
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: uilize it for. They have huge places where they do
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: investigative interpreting of how well this genome is working, how
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: well that genome is working plant wise or animal wise,
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: and they do animal husbandry on these sometimes they'll like,
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: you know, let's genetically shore this one up. You know,
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: we got some genetic drifts going here. Let's you know,
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: fix it up a little bit. Let's help it regain
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: its cohesive genetic ability to live and grow and thrive
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: wherever it's at, and that kind of thing. So it's
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: a pretty cool place.
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: Just to clarify, when we're talking about a dice in
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: sphere or planetoid as they would call them, I guess
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: this is this hollow with it like a gumball with it.
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: They live inside it is. Yeah. They all these things
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: that they've got going on are inside it as well
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: as on the surface of it. There's not a lot
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: on the surface of it because the magnetosphere that they
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: produce on this is not as large as a regular planet. Okay,
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: so it's mostly inside and they have the lighting for
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: it and that kind of thing. They can generate incredible
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: energy on the inside. They can make enough you've, radiation
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: for things to grow and things on the inside.
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: So when you're in it, it looks like you're on
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: a planet.
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: On the surface, you feel like you're outside, you bet, yep.
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: Wow. And when you're coming what does it look like
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: from the outside.
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: When I approach, when we're coming into it, it's actually
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: has some reflective you know, it reflects whatever's around it,
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: but it mostly it takes on the color of like
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: a blue green color, you know, on the outside it's
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: shiny like that. But then it's kind of matt where
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: they're growing stuff on the outside of it, and they
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: actually have a body of water. There's ice, that kind
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: of thing. Ice develops on them in certain places. The
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: poles they have poles like we do on our planet
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: and stuff like that. It's very cool.
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: So is this.
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: It's very brilliant to look at.
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: It is this metallic and it's frame framing, I guess,
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: with earth and stone built around it, so to speak.
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: It's incorporated. The materials that they use are natural materials
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: on the inside and then man made or you know, uh,
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: reconstructed things that they've brought in that will coexist in
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: that particular type of space with that kind of gamma
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: radiation coming at it, you know, and so it's it's
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: it changes. They redo things all the time. I mean,
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: it's not a set thing that's like this forever. They're
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: constantly reworking on this. They're constantly rebuilding it. They're constantly
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: doing that sort of thing. It's an evolving thing that
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: you can't you can't not do it. Things we're out,
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: you have to replenish that kind of thing.
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: Are these rare or do they have a lot of.
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: Yes, they're rare. There aren't that many of them that
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: I know of. I know of the one that I've
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: been on, and I know of three others. And they're
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: placed strategically in the universe.
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: So yeah, all right, And can they hold can hold
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: a lot of people? Yep?
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you can get lost in there. I would put
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: it as at any given time, there's probably oh I'm
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: thinking about this really hard. It's probably maybe close to
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: about a million people on one at any given time simultaneously. Yeah,
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: all right, well, let's right constantly you're moving back and forth.
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: What is that that many compared to how many people
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: we have here?
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, wow, it's amazing. They can they think about it.
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: There are trillions and trillions and zillions, and I mean
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: think about the universe how big it is, And I
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: mean we just we're just one galaxy. Okay. It takes
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: our planet, our solar system to go around our galaxy
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: every two hundred and eighty billion years. Okay, and inside
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: this universe, I mean this galaxy that we have. Think
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: about it. There are two at least two hundred billion planets, suns, whatever,
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: and the amount of life that's in that intersecting all
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: across our galaxies is incredible. And we're on the outside.
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: In other words, we aren't even close to the center
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: of it because it's you know, it moves out our
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: particular arm of our galaxy. These are things that we
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: were right on the outside of it. We're not. We're
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: inside that ring when the sweet seat.
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, have you been outside of the milky way? Yes? Yeah,
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: all right, now I'm curious. I wasn't going to ask this,
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: but what about black holes? Have you ever visited a
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: black hole?
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: A black hole is not what you think it is.
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: Yes, That's why I wanted to ask it, because this
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: is important internally.
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: Suck up the universe and send it nowhere. And there
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: is no such thing as a wormhole. They do not exist.
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: It's mathematically incorrect. It cannot exist. All physicists will tell
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: you this is just a theory, and it's actually a
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: failed theory because as much as they've studied it and
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: tried to prove it which real. They've learned that it
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: is not, and they're just now starting to admit that
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: black holes do emit energy. Yes, they crunch things up.
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: It's like a garbage disposal. It takes matter in, but
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: then it shoots it back out. It's what regenerates our
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: galaxy and the universe as well. Every single galaxy has one,
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: and it's the cleanup crew, and matter is totally transmuted
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: and spit back out to make new things over and
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: over again. Our universe is never going to grow cold
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: because of that. We're constantly recycling our own energy. It
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: never goes away. Energy cannot not exist. Energy exist?
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: Is it close to one? Or get as close as
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: it's safe.
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: They have the ability, you know, I can remote you
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: you if I want to. If I wasn't on here
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: right now, I could bring you up in my view,
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: and I have the ability psychically to pull you up
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: and look at you. Okay, I don't need to go
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: within miles of that thing to see what it is. Okay,
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: They're not totally dark. Our optics are crappy.
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: I just wondered if they take their ships and go
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: zoom zoom zoom a black hole.
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: No, we get within distance of it that we can
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: visualize it. Yes, but it's got a huge there's a
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: you don't even want to get within striking distance of it. It
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: will suck you in, you know, if you're that small,
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: it'll take you real quick.
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: And there's many of them in each galaxy, right, It's
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: not just one at the.
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: Same Every single galaxy in our universe has one. Sometimes
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: they have two or three. Andromeda has got a bunch.
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: Okay, I was going to say, I mean, it's they're
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: not super rare, are they.
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: No, they're not rare at all. It's it's how our
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: universe exists. It's how it cleans itself up. It retransmits
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: energy into some other thing, and it shoots the particles
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: of form back out so that they can re conglomerate
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: together and make new things. It's just it's the first
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: part of what the star instry becomes.
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: So right, there are a couple of things I wanted
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: to touch on because we've been talking for not quite
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: an hour yet, but I really wanted to get to
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: these because it's so cool. Okay, which is you know,
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: we sent out the Voyager probe with a little golden
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: record and all our information on it.
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I got two of them.
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Voyager one and two. So you had the
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: opportunity to actually see these up close. Yeah, from inside
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: of a craft looking out at it. Is that right?
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: Yep? Sure did very cool. Uh. They are not that big.
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: I mean they're bigger than me, you know, they're I
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: don't know, they're they're pretty damn big, but not that big, okay,
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: And they're fragile as all get out. And E. D
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: is very proud of us for this that we built
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: something that has taken a lot of hits, Okay, that
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: it's held up, especially a systems. It's amazing how well
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: they've done, okay, and what they've been able to transmit back.
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: And I will tell you the truth about this et.
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: A couple of times have intervened because we lost contact
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: recently and they've got it back again and they kind
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: of helped facilitate that a little bit. They've they've helped
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: it along. They can't actually interfere with it, but they've
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: done some things that kind of help them keep going.
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: They find it fascinating what we put on the side
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: of it. You know, Carl Sagan was a brilliant guy,
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: and he actually there was an encoded same message for
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: a computer language as the disc you know where we are,
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: who we are are, what planet we are, our configuration
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: in our solar system, and everything. And they did shoot
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: a message back and we got it. And not a
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: lot of people know the truth of that. You know,
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: I think it was out there. I saw it once.
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: I mean I eyeballed it. I saw it on in
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: the news a couple of times. Actually had the face
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: what they look like, you know, we had like a
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: little stick figure man and woman kind of thing and
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: well man, and they sent one back with their face
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: pretty well generated. And then they backed it up. They
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: did a what do you call those things where you
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: go in the field you mush the grass down crop circles.
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: They did one. They did a crop circle just like it.
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: Oh wow, yeah, we're seeing that one.
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So they were, you know, one upping themselves, trying
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: to let us know that this is really happening in
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: a little people poop it and the government's trying to
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: make you think we're all nuts for thinking this stuff
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: and it's wrong. It's real, you know, they answer, so.
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: That ets have taken you out for all these scientific
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: expeditions to other planets and star systems, and yes, looking
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: at eclipses and planets, you know, stars going over and
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: we had a huge event here in our Solar system
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: when comment Shoemaker, Schumacher Levy, Yeah, I struck Jupiter and boiler.
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: Astronomers excited when the happened because nobody knew how this
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: was going to affect Jupiter and ended up having a
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: much more profound effect than one had thought. But you
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: opportunity to actually get a first hand front row yeah
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: view of this is that right, right.
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: I knew, well, I knew it wasn't going to go
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: in a solid object. Okay, there were two of them
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: or three of them, I can't remember two or three.
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: It was a big thing. And it broke up into
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: three first, and then as the gravity of Jupiter started
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: tearing it apart, it went into seven pieces. And then
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: they started striking and you know, the planet's turning, so
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: they went boom boom, boom, boom boom boom like that,
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: and we got to see, you know, going in that
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: kind of gas that hot, it would just explode an
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: incredible hot heat fire, I mean nova fire.
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: Just about back up a second, can you describe what
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: it was like. I mean, you were sitting on a craft, right,
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: you were looking through the view. What is that? How
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: close were you and can you just kind of walk
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: up through that experience.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: Well, we were totally transparent, so we had bird's eye
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: view and everybody on the craft got to see it.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: Everybody was pretty much in the front facing part of
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: it because they wanted to get us close to what
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: they could see and sariastically above a little bit above,
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: because it's harder for us here on the ground here
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: to see us when we're circling another planet. We have
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: to play with what we know about our optics and
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: now we see things in space from our telescopes and
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: stuff like that. So they had to position where we
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: wouldn't see they wouldn't see us, you know, it's humanity
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: here wouldn't see them. I have to get my vernacular
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: straight because I'm talking from the other side of this fence.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: We had to be stealthy about it. Okay, that's the
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: best word I can use. Stealthy about it because we
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: were damn close. We were in orbit, and we were
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: damn close, and we were watching and it was unbelievable
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: the amount of in from that. They got from that
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: alone was incredible. It tells you all kinds of things
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: about the composite of the gases on that gas giant,
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 2: and how thick their atmospheres and everything. I mean, even
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: NASA learned tons from watching that. I mean, they've learned
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: a lot about Jupiter and its composition because of that,
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: And they were up to the same thing they wanted
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: to know. You know, it's very cool.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that must have been something to.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: See the spectrometers were off the dials. It's cool.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's very cool. Well, that's I think we've skinned
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: the surface of your actual experiences, you know, with flitting
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: around the universe. I covered this in the book Dolly
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: among the Stars, because I mean, man, that is just
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: just the incredible adventure it is.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: I feel like I've lived twenty five lifetimes in my
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 2: one life so far. You know, it's never stops. I
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: want you all to realize something that everything that I've learned,
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: you're learnable to this. You can learn this, you can
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: experience the same things that I have. And that's why
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: I came forward because I don't like being alone here
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: with this. I don't like being the only one who
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: could talk about it. I don't like the fact that
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: there are so many intelligent people on this planet and
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: they're not giving it up to everybody else and not
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: including and being inclusive and encouraging. And we're not using
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: our inate abilities here and we need to. We need
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: to and wants us to. They want us to evolve
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: up to this. It's important.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to talk about that in a future
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: interview with you about you know, the ET's message to
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: all humanity. But I just recalled one other planet you
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: went to which we didn't cover, which was right after
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: you learned I think it flew for the first time
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: on your own. You popped out of a giant purple
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: blue gas giant. Is that?
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, that was pretty pretty pretty unbelievably cool it is.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 2: Have you ever wondered what a how long a neutron
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: star or quasar lives? Have you ever thought about that?
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: Has anybody ever calculated how much energy this thing has
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: and what happens at the end of its cycle, because
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: it will not go on forever like that, it will
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: burn out. And I was witnessing that actual occurrence. In
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 2: other words, I was looking at the end of a
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: neutron star's life, and it was evaporating all its energy finally,
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: and there are examples of that throughout the universe. It's possible,
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: and we have one close to us enough that we
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: can visualize it with the new telescope we have, they
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: can see it, and I've seen this one. So that's
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: a big give you everybody, because that's I mean, nobody
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: ever talks about that, and it bothers me. Every all
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: energy exhausts itself eventually. Everything has a life cycle, including
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: neutron stars and including coinstars. And what happens to them
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: when they're done. They don't just go. They have a
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: form a body of sorts and they glow different colors
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: and you can see them partically, you know, particularly drifting
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 2: away from themselves. You know, they go off. Where where
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: do all those particles go? Where do all those elements go?
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: What's happening? What's it feeding into? You have to ask
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 2: yourself these questions. I mean, it's really freaking cool, and yeah,
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 2: I got to see one.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: Very cool. All right, Well, we've gone for an hour.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: I'm sure we could talk for another hour easily, but
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: I did want to give you the opportunity to cover
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: anything that we didn't in terms of you know, visiting
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: other places, other worlds, because uh, I mean, I don't
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: want to skip anything that would be really cool. So
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: do you have anything that you want to add to
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: what we've already talked about.
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 2: Look up to telescope, start thinking about what's going on
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 2: around you, get binoculars, get a rake and a fork
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 2: and a shovel, and start cleaning up your environment. Learn
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 2: to live sustainably. Do everything you can to be a healthy, happy,
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 2: interested individual, you know, learn to use your abilities. You've
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 2: got all kinds of things you could be doing rather
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 2: than sitting around talking about who did what yesterday with you?
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 2: You know, I mean, it's just way more fun interesting
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 2: things to do than that. You know.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: Well, you've certainly lived an interesting life and still are,
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: so it's very very cool. I'm really honored and delighted
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: that you've shared your story with us. That's really quite
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: a pleasure, and I want to thank you, Belly for
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: coming on and sharing your story with all the people
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: of earth.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 2: Welcome my honor. Thank you for letting me.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: I appreciate it. You got it. I want to do
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: it again because there's more to talk about. Okay, all right, guys, Well,
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: that's our show for tonight. I hope you've enjoyed it again.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: This is part four interview with a fully conscious contact
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: planets I have seen, and yes, it's amazing how much
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: stuff is out there. And we did cover a lot
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: of this in our book Symmetry, a True UFO Adventure,
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: so you can cover a lot more in a book
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: than you kind in our long podcast. So if you're
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: interested in checking that out, I'm sure you'll find it interesting.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: And yeah, Dolly, I definitely want to have you back
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: on again because there's some very cool stuff we still
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: haven't talked about, so there will be a Part five
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: and Part six and possibly more coming ahead. So till then,
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: thanks again, Dolly, welcome, Thank you all right, that's our
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: show for today, guys, thanks so much for watching. I
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: truly appreciate it. And until next time, keep searching for answers,
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: keep looking for the truth, and above all, as I
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: love to say, because it's important, keep having fun. Bye.