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Discovering Bitcoin with Hodl Tarantula · Discovering Bitcoin

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Yeah, I see. The world through an entirely
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different lens. It doesn't just give you
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confidence, but it gives you hope.
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Take like we're squandering our energy, our life force.
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So Bitcoin is changing that for me.
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It's like it's healing energy. It gives you a kind of.
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Of a stand. Feeling right?
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Deep and deep and deep. In the immortal words of the
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doors, the time to hesitate us through.
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Huddle Tarantula. Finally.
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It's happening, man. Yo just trying to put another
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day in the books in regards to proof of work man.
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You know how hard it is to pin down a futuristic land, man,
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It's it's not been easy, but we're here and we're doing it
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and I don't think it could have come at a better time of year,
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to be honest. So for all of the back.
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Christmas miracle. Yes, Sir, we got there.
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We got to cross the line. And I'm very grateful for that
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man. So thank you.
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I know you got to you lead a very dynamic life, shall we say?
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It's been. Yeah.
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As I said, it's hard to pin you down, but you know, you're,
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you're doing, you're doing the gods work.
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So it's it's awesome to have you on the pod, man.
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I appreciate your kind words my brother.
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I as you said dynamic. That's that's kind of an
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understatement. I wear easily 5-6 different hats
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a day from network engineering to ASIC troubleshooting and
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repair to like literally check in MCF per day off of a gas well
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and diagnosing the compressor, running the gas to the Mr. US
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and more. Maybe have to bypass with a
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Bailon valve to keep the Jenny going and holler back.
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Keep them Asic's, hollering and screaming, but doing everything
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in between. Definitely dynamic is a good
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word for it. I, I, I can't help but think
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that you must be one of the smartest motherfuckers on the
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planet if you're doing all of that in a day.
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It's, it's nuts. I mean, we tried to arrange this
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a couple of weeks ago and I think just at the time we were
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about to jump on like it just everything just turned to shit.
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And you were having to to, you know, spin that many plates in
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order to just fix whatever was in front of you rather than let
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alone jump on a pod, which, you know, this is the easy part.
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And I feel like completely inadequate next to some.
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Well, you're talking about the. The thing for me is priorities,
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right? And if they're not aligned
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properly, you're doomed to fail in life.
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And for me, proof of work is my #1 priority aside from my baby
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daughter. And I got, you know, I got to
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put the First things first. You know, when things go go all
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up and downhill in the field, there's not a lot of people that
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can actually do what I do from start to finish from the gas
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well to configuring the ASICS to the pool.
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And so, you know, when the call comes, I answer otherwise
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operation fails. So, you know, so I didn't mean
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to put you off that day, but you know, getting that hash rate
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number go up is so important for me.
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You know, it's it's what pays the bills.
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It's what keeps us, you know, the network going in the face of
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this ridiculous tyranny we see today.
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You got got other people getting shut down in other countries,
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you got people fighting with power grid and everything else.
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And so for me, keeping it going out in the field is #1.
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I think that's why I referred to you as a futuristic land man.
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So it'd be cool to unpack that a little bit as we go on with the
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pod because I mean, you are, for lack of a better metaphor at the
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coalface, you know, in terms of keeping the network, I mean,
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like contributing to the network doing all of these things is
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what would you call them? Non what is it?
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What? Yeah, you know, off off a grid
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energy ASIC, minds and hearts and things.
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We can we can unpack all of this.
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You know, I'm I hesitate to use the word Nick Carter uses, which
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is non rival energy, but we'll we'll get to all of that.
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He ain't never seen somebody like me producing the.
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Star is. Shit, he.
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Look, our star is always rising all together.
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You know, we're always rising. Let me ask a question.
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It's hilarious. I just laugh at that term
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unreliable energy, because if I'm the one behind the meter
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running it, this is going to be more reliable than your mommy
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talking you in at night at five years old.
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He said he he said non rival, which actually it's a good term,
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non rival energy, you know, like it's otherwise being wasted.
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Yeah. Yeah, I'll take that because the
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way we produce, there is nothing that rivals the way we put on.
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There you go. Unrivalled energy.
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Fuck yeah, that's a good name for a company.
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OK, you can have that one for free.
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No, I like that actually. How did you discover Bitcoin?
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OK, so as per the name of the podcast, I think that's a good
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place to start discovering Bitcoin was for me a almost
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like, I would say kind of like an accident almost.
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I was cruising around YouTube. I had already came around to
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understand stocks, equities, you know, things of the traditional
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Fiat fuckery system and had been, you know, looking into the
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C word. We'll just leave it at that
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crypto. And well, there was a lot of
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things going on. Then it was the ICO phase.
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There was all kinds of scammery. I actually saw a short video
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post for Bit Connect recently with Carlos Matthos and MEN.
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Yo, I remember that like it was yesterday.
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And so I'm cruising around on YouTube.
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These fools had all kinds of promotional shit going back then
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on there. And so I, you know, being
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uneducated about what Bitcoin actually was at that point, I'm
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humble enough to admit that I didn't know shit about fuck in
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regards to Bitcoin then. And the thing that had occurred
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was I got these crazy advertisements coming at me left
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and right for all these shitty Ponzi scheme platforms.
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And I had excess capital available and some equities that
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I was just like, let me do something with this.
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And so I took it. And to my detriment, I had
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spread it out a little bit. I put by maybe 20% of what I had
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sitting on the side into some of this Kaka, these Kaka.
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And within just a couple months, the Security Exchange Commission
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comes out and makes a broad statement about all these
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platforms and they start dropping like flies left and
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right. And the haircut that I ended up
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taking was about 30% overall, which some people lost
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everything. And so I was kind of fortunate
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to be, you know, wise enough to say, OK, some something bad is
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happening here. It's time to pull out, go back
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full liquid Fiat and reassess what the hell just happened in
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regards to this situation. So I'm sitting there just
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basically wrecked mentally and trying to figure out what's
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going on here. I'm looking at all this
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different stuff, but one thing I did notice was that during all
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of this introduction and like gambling per SE, I realized that
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every single one of these shit coin casinos wanted me to use my
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Fiat currency to buy Bitcoin and then send it to them in exchange
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for whatever trash they were peddling.
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And that, I noticed, was the common denominator.
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They didn't want my credit card number.
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They didn't want me to send a MoneyGram or Western Union.
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They didn't want ACH or routing checking, nothing.
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All they wanted every single last one of them was for me to
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buy Bitcoin and then send it to them in exchange for their crap.
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So I had kind of like a little light bulb moment here in
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regards to recognizing Bitcoin being the common denominator
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across the spectrum for all of it.
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And so it sparked my curiosity and I, you know, went into the,
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we'll call it the Oracle machine Google and started asking what
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is Bitcoin, you know? And then I found the
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bitcointalk.org. I found, you know, a few other
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sites. That was the main one that stood
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out to me that I can remember right now with regards to
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information on Bitcoin because that's where I found the white
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paper. And then a little bit about
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myself. My background before I got into
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Bitcoin mining in 2017 or like the end of 2017 was I did
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automation, robotics and works at these different places like
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Amazon, Kiva, Kroger, Logistics, to name a few.
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And what I knew was automation and distribution and systems and
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firmware, software application of that to hardware in order to
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make things work and actually do form the tasks that they're
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required for. And I realized while reading up
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on Bitcoin that I I can actually build this.
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This is something that I can build.
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And I thought that that was very unique and interesting in
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itself. But what also was very
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eye-catching for me was the concept of money without a bank.
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Because during my little shit coinie phase there in the
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beginning, I didn't think about it until I had read the white
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paper about what is money. And that utilizing this, I was
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able to, with nobody's permission or asking anyone,
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just send this money, this value from A to B.
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And it required no third party C to actually initiate or, or, you
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know, contribute anything to it to get it done.
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And that was even more powerful for me because as you can see, I
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am a man who does not ask permission.
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I build, I do. And sometimes along the way,
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I'll ask forgiveness if I feel I've actually done something
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wrong. But like, all of that basically
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just put me on the fast track to fire.
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I wanted to build something that was meaningful in regards to
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like being involved with Bitcoin.
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And I knew instantly that I could do it.
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Like, and mining for me because of the application of the
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software to the hardware was like a simple, simple thing for
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me. And I was just like in awe.
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I was like, wow, this is absolutely incredible.
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It's something that I had never conceived of money without at a
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bank before and to kind of have that introduced to me and and
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understand after coming to read more about it and how it
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operates and everything and realizing that I can actually
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build this. And man, it was just off to the
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races. By the end of 2017, I had pulled
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every little bit of capital that I had available to myself from
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every single place that it was. I liquidated all the equities I
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had. I, I took all of my Fiat in
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every form and turned it into Bitcoin and started using it to
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purchase ASIC mining equipment. And I just started building it.
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Far out. Yeah, you just that was that's
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it in production. Feet first, let's go.
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Oh yeah, I basically born in fire.
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You know, that's kind of how I I run.
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And had you, I mean, you read the white paper.
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Are you one of these, these folk that read the white paper and,
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and instantly crocked what it was trying to achieve?
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I mean, like if you, if you read the first sentence and you don't
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get that, you're an idiot. But, you know, like everything
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else. That's funny, You just took the
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words right out of my mouth. I, I was going to say, well, the
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first couple paragraphs are kind of like, it's like if, I mean,
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if you're not like on board and understanding what's going on,
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then you might want to look at educating yourself in other ways
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first before you, you know, you're probably having a hard
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time wiping your backside. If you're not getting that so
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right exactly. And then so, so I understood
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that and how powerful that that could be.
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And then it was just kind of going through the the rest of it
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in regards to how it operates on, in regards to the rails that
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make it viable, decentralization nodes and everything else that
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because I had always built in systems that were centralized in
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regards to the automation and robotics industry that is used
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for distribution nowadays and logistics.
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I at first was like, I wonder how well this will operate and
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how like it's already obviously it's been going since 2009 and,
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and everything it seems strong. And then once I figured out
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about it operating behind Tor and everything else, I kind of
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was like, well, this really isn't something that can be
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captured or beaten in that respect.
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And so I, I just kind of like figured, you know what, instead
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of waiting to understand this, just start building it and you
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know, the knowledge and everything will come along the
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way. I wasn't going to allow myself
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to have analysis paralysis with it.
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In other words, I wanted to know more.
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I wanted to have an experience that taught me.
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And, you know, as they say, pain is a powerful teacher.
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But if you're not willing to, you know, get your hands dirty
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and, you know, get close to the fire, you're never going to, you
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know, necessarily have contact with that thing that will create
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the pain that will teach you. And so I just went for it and
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that was that. I mean, I can think of countless
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scenarios in my life where you're, you join and you get a
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new job or something and you knew you got to learn something
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new and you sit down and someone sat next to you and they're
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taking you through the steps to do the thing.
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And in my mind, I'm just like, I'm not going to remember any of
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this. I just need to start doing it.
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Correct, we can. Waste a day here.
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Or we could just start getting it done and you know, if I have
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questions, I. Appreciate that.
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I will, I will, I will flag them.
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But otherwise, can we just, can we just crack on like do it?
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I'll learn exactly by doing, you know.
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Yep, same here. I operate the same way.
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I have tried to read a book about something countless times
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and then I get to it and I'm like, hmm, well we got to go
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back to the book now, you know? But if I just like, for example,
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Pierce, Pierce and Case directors, they are the things
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that are responsible for pumping out literally hundreds, if not
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1000 boxes, you know, in a couple hours for, you know, like
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your Amazon warehouses and stuff.
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And I have my first experience with one of those was an
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operations manager telling me that OK, here, this piece of
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machinery cost literally $400,000 and we need you to be
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educated on how it operates before we allow you to go out
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there and fix it. And I was like, OK, well, what
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are you going to be doing later in case I have questions.
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And the guys like, well, actually I got to take off here
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in a bit, but it should take you about this much time to get
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through this manual and everything, and then we'll pick
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up tomorrow. Well, I waited for him to leave
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and I just went directly to that piece of machinery and started
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working on preventative maintenance.
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And, you know, looking at how everything worked and basically
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taking it apart in time that the line was able to be down without
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creating any issues on production.
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And I had that thing mastered within like a couple hours and
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later on in the day they had an issue with another one of them.
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And I was able to fix it and literally like 15 minutes or
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less diagnose the issue, get the parts and disassemble it, put it
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back together and have operating at full capacity.
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And the guy comes in the next day and he's like, what happened
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yesterday? I found this manual on my desk
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and I figured that I'd be coming to you to get it later and and
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talk to you about it. But instead I hear that they had
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an issue on the line and you just fixed it.
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I was like, well, yeah, that's what you hired me for in it.
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And he's like, well, yeah. But I was like, look man, I
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don't learn very well like this. I'm a hands on kind of guy.
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So if you know, if you want, you want me to be better faster.
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And this was on like I was supposed to be starting on a
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second shift. I said put me on 1st shift with
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your lead who runs the whole facility and let me shadow him
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for a couple weeks and then I don't need nothing else.
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I'll call you if I need some. And that's what he did.
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And within I stayed there for 3 1/2 years and within those 3 1/2
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years, I managed to level up to the highest paid position that I
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could possibly achieve in that facility.
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And, well, it was all because of my willingness to just go do it
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instead of waiting to be told or, you know, risk the reading
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the book for hours and hours straight instead of just, you
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know, being balls enough to just go get it, you know?
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So that's basically how I run. A lot of, I can think of some
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situations where employees would be a little bit put off by that
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and and maybe because, you know, they're slackers themselves.
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But yeah, I mean, he obviously, it sounds like he responded well
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to that demonstration of initiative and you know.
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What? Well, the interesting thing
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about how I had achieved that position was I wanted to get a,
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you know, a tech job. They're doing technical
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maintenance on this stuff, but they didn't have any positions
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available at the time when I had first applied.
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And I have no computer science degree.
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No, no background in any of that stuff at all.
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I literally just, you know, taught myself everything.
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I mean, I didn't even finish a traditional high school.
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I literally unenrolled myself through forging some paperwork
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and then re enrolled myself in a correspondence school and
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graduated probably about a year and a half ahead of that class.
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And so it's just in my nature to be unbridled, so to speak.
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And so when I took the initial job at this place, since they
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had no openings available, I took a job as a janitor just so
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I can get my foot in the door because the same department was
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for sanitation. They also did the automation and
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robotics and all that other stuff because those guys would
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help the other technicians with cleaning equipment if there was
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a product break or something like that on board.
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And so I had an opportunity while something was going on
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with the a conveyor line with proximity sensor and photo eyes,
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the there was an issue with the line.
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And the actual technicians who were there at the time called in
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and said over the radio that they weren't going to fix it
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right now, that they were on break and everybody would just
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have to wait. And this is a, you know,
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manufacturing and distribution facility that they're losing
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easily a couple $100,000 an hour when these things happen.
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And for them to just say that, you know, we're on break and a
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lot of these guys are unioned and everything that we're not
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coming until we're done with our break and lunch break for these
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guys to be an hour long in some cases.
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Well, I just happened to be nearby and saw what happened and
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I went and fixed it my damn self.
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And well, I got a call into the office the the next day and I
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thought that I was going to be getting in some trouble.
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But the guy told me he's like, look, we saw what happened
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yesterday. And I was like, what do you
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mean? I didn't see anybody around.
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And I was just trying to, you know, figure some stuff out and
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kind of help out. And he's like, well, yeah, you
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aren't supposed to be touching any of this stuff like in
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regards to wrenching on it or anything like that.
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But you did apply for that job initially and there was nothing
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available for you. And we we weren't really going
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to give you anything because you have no background in it.
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But you proved yourself out there yesterday.
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We saw it on the camera. We saw you do it over the
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camera. Could you tell me exactly what
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you did? And I told him and he's like,
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well look, we just had a level one tech position open up and
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we're going to push you into it regardless of what we told you
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before. You basically like Matt Damon in
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like, robotics or something. I don't even know that
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character's name is, you know, from Goodwill Hunting who joins
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the the department in that university as a as a janitor.
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Oh, I've heard about that movie, but I've never seen it.
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Yeah, well, that joke just fell flat, so don't sweat it.
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Now let me pivot to I want to find out how do you get to the
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field? What's this journey to the
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field? Because obviously you're
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grokking Bitcoin at this point. And, you know, you, you were
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running feet first. Like there's a bunch of things
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you kind of have to get your head around, I guess, to, to
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work on an oil field. And my experience is, is very
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limited with that as except that, you know, apart from like
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documentaries or whatever that yeah, that that new show.
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But yeah, anyway, what's the journey to the field?
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How are you getting out there? And hooking up ASIC miners, what
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are those conversations like with those operators?
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Like we can put data centers next to your oil rigs and we can
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give you money. Well, that's the short and
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skinny of it, but the journey to the field started with me
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actually mining on grid for a couple of months first.
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And I built a shop on some I had 15 acres in Kentucky and I built
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out a shop and I, you know, I installed the service panel for
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it was like I had 500 amp service panel.
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Nothing big at all, but you could run a whole fleet of S
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nines on that at that time. And I had actually blew up a
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transformer from Duke Energy. They had told them that I was
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installing this higher service panel and that I'd need them to
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upgrade the transformer down the street in order for me to be
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able to pull what I needed to pull without causing a
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disruption to the rest of all the residents in the area.
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And they said, well, you know, we had engineers put this
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together. Sir, you are not an engineer.
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So we're not going to be doing anything until something
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actually happens. Because they just didn't believe
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me, I guess, and, or didn't believe that I knew what the
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hell I was talking about. And so, well, I, I kind of
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forced their hand by literally putting ASICS on.
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And so that thing started humming and then eventually just
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popped like a firecracker. And so Duke Energy comes out,
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puts in a new transformer, and then about 30 days later, I get
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the most ridiculous energy bill I had ever seen in my life.
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And so apparently utilizing this much more energy caused them to
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put me into a different here in regards to how they were billing
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me a bill, different billing tier.
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And I had, there was no conversation with me about that,
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no warning or anything. And so I, I disputed it and said
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that, you know, why don't you drop my rates back down to where
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they were? And they said, no, no, you're
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going to get this every month. And it's because you're getting
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demand charges and you consume this much, which puts you into
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this tier and everything else. And I was just like, you know
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what, if you don't fucking change it, I'm just going to go
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somewhere else. And they're like, well,
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unfortunately for you, we have the monopoly on the Southeast in
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regards to Tennessee Valley Authority and Duke Energy being
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the ones that work together to provide power to everybody.
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There is no other available individuals out there, companies
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that I could go to for electricity.
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And so they basically just said that, look, if you don't pay it,
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we're going to shut you off and you don't have any options,
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period. And that pissed me off so bad
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that I told them, well, fuck you, I'm going to go make my own
27:55
goddamn energy. And that is what pushed me into
28:00
the field. I started with building a
28:03
gasification unit that actually ran Bitcoin miners on wood.
28:10
So I'd take wood and I would prep it and turn it into these
28:15
little pellets and like wood chips.
28:17
And then I'd feed that into a reactor on what's called a
28:20
gasification unit and it would extract or what they call crack
28:25
and tar. It would pull actual sign gas
28:28
from the cellulose in the wood and I'd feed that after
28:32
scrubbing it into a generator and run the generator.
28:35
And so I built that and I realized that I'd have to be
28:39
married to this thing basically to keep feeding the hopper and
28:42
everything and keeping it going. And there wasn't any scaling
28:45
with it really, because the size of the gasification unit is
28:51
precisely matched to the size of the generator you're going to
28:54
have. And the only way to scale it is
28:56
to build out another whole entire system and or either, you
29:00
know, make the next system larger.
29:02
And I didn't want to keep doing that.
29:04
And again, didn't want to stay married to the damn thing
29:07
because I had, I didn't want to put in like, even if I can
29:11
automate it to a certain extent, which I had the background to do
29:14
that feeding the hopper and prepping the wood to get it in
29:18
there and everything was just another whole job in itself.
29:22
And so I kind of fell back on that.
29:27
I built then a, a, what do you call it, an H2S system or, or
29:34
not H2S, but it was basically a hydrogen setup that runs with
29:39
brown gas. And that was a little dicey.
29:44
There's a lot of opportunity for some issues unless you're
29:47
running the hydrogen system under a vacuum.
29:50
So instead of creating an explosion, it will create an
29:52
implosion. But then some people found out
29:54
about that and they did not like that I was working on creating
29:58
hydrogen and, and you know, in my shop in regards to the
30:05
volumes that I was looking to obtain.
30:07
And so I started getting some, let's call it threatening
30:11
inquiries about it. And so that pushed me away from
30:15
that because I, you know, I, I want the people around me to be
30:19
safe, not just from like something I may do, but also
30:22
from the individuals that were kind of coming at me about it.
30:26
And so that kind of turned me off to that Ave.
30:29
And then I had ran the numbers on solar and I did not want to
30:34
fill all the acreage that I owned with the shitty solar
30:38
panels, so decided not really to go that route.
30:42
And then wind wasn't really an option for where I was at the
30:46
moment. And I didn't really feel like
30:47
traveling too far because I was just getting it, you know, going
30:50
and together. And so that's when I stumbled
30:53
upon natural gas. A guy who I was buying ASICS
30:58
from, I asked him, I said yo, or he told, I asked him for some a
31:04
six. He told me that if I was looking
31:09
for energy that he knew a guy down in Southern Kentucky who
31:13
owned gas wells. And so he said, like, let me ask
31:18
him if it's OK, I give you his number because maybe you can
31:21
hook up with him and maybe you can run your generator on on his
31:25
gas or something. And so I took took that
31:28
opportunity. I said, look, you know, I don't
31:31
really allow people to hand out my name and number, but please
31:34
feel free to have this guy reach out to me.
31:36
And the guy did, and well, he and I had some conversations
31:41
about what I wanted to do and he sold me my first gas well.
31:46
And so I ended up going down to southern Kentucky from up north
31:51
to tri-state area. I bought a couple of 250
31:55
kilowatt Waukesha's and we put them on.
31:58
I learned about the gas wells, I learned about the geology, I
32:02
learned about all the necessary safety requirements, and I
32:06
learned about all the things that can go wrong.
32:09
I went and took some classes and got certificates of completion
32:14
for H2S training and safety. And there's literally there's a
32:20
laundry list of oil and gas safety certifications that one
32:24
should have if they're going to actually do this the right way
32:27
and not get themselves killed. I went and took in the shoot to
32:31
get all that stuff done and then basically just started operating
32:35
my on my own. I had the setup with this one
32:38
guy and then and when I saw other opportunities, I would
32:41
approach and there was not really a good way to approach
32:45
anybody about this back then. When you would tell a producer
32:50
that you were going to just, you know, mine Bitcoin, they, they,
32:55
they just kind of laugh at you and brush you off because really
32:58
they already print their money out of the ground and they don't
33:02
need any additional help obtaining money because they can
33:06
even just leverage the oil field as an asset and get more money
33:10
while they're printing it out of the ground at the same time.
33:13
And so the, the, the niche there was that I figured out and
33:20
understood the gas well and oil wells themselves.
33:24
Like you get oil and gas out of the same hole all the time,
33:27
right? It's not like this is just gas
33:29
and this is just oil. Both are in there.
33:32
And if you can find a way to show or explain to that producer
33:38
that you can create more oil for them by alleviating that
33:42
pressure that the gases got on the well, create better flow
33:46
rates, open that thing up and let it breathe more, they're
33:49
going to produce more. That is what they need to hear
33:53
because they understand that already.
33:55
And if you can, you know, provide them with a way to
33:58
increase that production. Now instead of looking like a
34:01
liability on the field, you have just become an asset on the
34:05
field. And so it was understanding
34:09
their, you know, what their problem is and presenting myself
34:15
as a solution to just like their wasted gas or flare.
34:21
Because if you ask them any of these guys, they have hundreds
34:25
of flares going. They'll tell you they don't have
34:26
a flaring problem, which is absurd because you can literally
34:30
look outside and see it, but they won't own it.
34:34
They'll just be like, well, we don't have a problem with Larry.
34:37
But if you tell them that you can eliminate that flair and at
34:41
the same time increase their production on the oil field.
34:44
Now you got the rear and so that's pretty much how I ended
34:51
up rolling into the operating in the oil field.
34:55
And it's like it is so much more consistent in regards to the
35:00
energy and production than what I was dealing for in the past
35:04
that it for me, I was just like in love with it, you know.
35:08
And so that was it just kept on building out from there.
35:13
And since then, I've built all over the place from Pennsylvania
35:17
and Marcellus Shale to MHA Nation Indian Reservation on
35:23
native land to sovereign land on the in the Bakken, on the Bakken
35:27
Reserve there, all the way down here now in the Permian Basin
35:32
and even hit Kansas in between. Yeah.
35:36
Wow. I mean, the type of sites and
35:39
the country that you must get to witness and maybe not
35:43
necessarily like sit and stare for a minute, enjoy it maybe for
35:46
5 minutes. I don't know.
35:48
It must be just remarkable, like just the you see a place that
35:51
you haven't seen, you know, most people don't get.
35:54
Absolutely, absolutely. I actually kind of want to take
36:00
a gig out in Alaska eventually just so I can say that I've been
36:03
there and built there and it's absolutely beautiful.
36:07
But some of these places are extremely inhospitable certain
36:12
times of the year. Like when I was out on the
36:14
reservation up in North Dakota, we had that, you know, we get
36:19
-60 and -70° temperatures and you got to have a whole extra
36:25
$1000 in personal protective equipment and gear just to be
36:29
able to go out there. You have a whole separate
36:32
wardrobe. Just because the temperatures
36:34
are so low that, you know, 5-6 hours of exposure will kill you.
36:39
You, you got to work your, your operation in like 1 hour shift
36:44
so that you don't get frostbite, you know, in and out, in and
36:48
out. So otherwise you're going to be
36:50
beat to death by the elements. And so yes, there, there are
36:55
some amazing places to go, but with the level of amazingness
37:00
that's there, that same level of this is probably going to kill
37:05
you if you get stuck out here it is.
37:08
It's just equally as there. That hostility matched with.
37:13
Yeah, like the the surrounds, I mean, dude, but don't you worry
37:17
about, you know, social justice and like how you know?
37:24
What is that? You know what I mean?
37:25
Like, like those things that we're all supposed to be
37:28
worrying about climate change, stuff like that.
37:30
Like do do you, like while you're out there and you've got,
37:34
you know, $1000 worth of protective equipment on and you
37:37
can only do an hour outside before you need to come back in,
37:40
so you're going to die and get frostbite?
37:44
Did did these things run through your mind when you're, you know,
37:47
all the shit that we get fed on Twitter and stuff?
37:48
And like, do do you ever, like, just freak out about like, how
37:53
you're contributing to the apparent downfall of like,
37:57
civilization? Nope, because if anybody
38:02
actually cares to educate themselves, they will come to
38:06
understand that what I do is extremely environmentally
38:11
friendly. Good, you don't need.
38:17
To, I mean methane. To be honest.
38:20
I mean, yeah, I'll just say that methane destroys everything it
38:24
comes in contact with and is literally probably 80% if not
38:30
more harmful in regards to being a greenhouse gas and its heating
38:34
effects on the world then CO2 is.
38:37
And once I pipe that methane into a generator comes out of
38:41
CO2 and well, at least trees can use that to make oxygen for me
38:44
and you. Whereas the methane ain't
38:47
nothing that any anything can do with that except for dye.
38:50
The other like 1-1 other caveat there is that nothing in regards
38:57
to an off grid Bitcoin mining operation is wasteful.
39:01
So I take old computer ASICS, old ASIC equipment that isn't
39:07
profitable on grid anymore and I repurpose it into the oil field
39:10
and give it a new life. Same with generators.
39:13
Generators that are coming from like a hospital or something.
39:16
That's policy is every so many years they have to get a new one
39:20
in there. Doesn't even mean there's
39:21
anything wrong with it. Just like the ASICS that were
39:24
coming off the grid just because they're not not profitable
39:26
anymore. These things could go turn into
39:28
E trash and just be, you know, sitting somewhere wasted.
39:32
This generator could end up in a yard somewhere and end up, you
39:36
know, leaking fluids and stuff everywhere.
39:38
And I take all that stuff and I repurpose it into the oil field
39:43
and then it, you know, extends its life for, you know, for as
39:48
long as it can be. And so not only are we reusing
39:53
and recycling just computer equipment and chips and Gen.
39:58
sets and things like that. But we're also reducing methane,
40:03
you know, fugitive methane emissions and getting rid of
40:05
flares and stuff like that. So anybody really wants to go
40:09
toe to toe with me for that? I'll send them home in a body
40:12
bag. I am sweating it quick.
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40:57
changed you? It's turned me into a definitely
41:04
a more low time preference individual and when it comes to
41:08
building man has it turned me into one stoic son of a bitch.
41:14
Because constantly I'm in the field running into problems and
41:19
there's no other like options at times in regards to a fix.
41:25
And like one of the great stoics of the past said, you have to
41:30
understand that the obstacle is the way and that's it.
41:35
And if you aren't able to or willing to step up to it and
41:39
succumb, you know, and you succumb to the obstacle, you're,
41:43
you're dead in the water. So you have to be willing to
41:46
surmount this thing and, and take it on fully and harden
41:50
yourself. You know, it's like a daily
41:52
battle against yourself and everything else out there to
41:56
confront and overcome these things and just keep moving
41:59
forward at all costs. So this low time preference that
42:04
you've cultivated, do you think you had that impulse in you
42:07
prior and is it just kind of you've been able to tap into it
42:12
a little bit more or has it been a 180 sort of situation?
42:17
Well, because I have always been interested in taking care of
42:22
myself in regards to physical fitness and mental well-being
42:26
and everything else. You know, I had certain
42:29
understandings about, you know, living a low time preference
42:33
type of life, but I hadn't really applied that to myself
42:39
from a financial perspective, right?
42:41
And well, Bitcoin is a financial instrument that it's like
42:48
discovering fire, you know, And so having it like another
42:54
perspective on what is money and financial instruments in
43:00
general, it lowered my time preference in that respect as
43:05
well. And then getting into the off
43:10
grid mining, you know, where everything is reused to
43:13
repurpose and fix and move forward.
43:17
It just started bleeding into every other aspect of my life.
43:21
I feel like whenever like, and I've had multiple conversations,
43:27
many conversations, you know, on this part, of course, about
43:30
Bitcoin is interacting with this thing and it tends to sort of
43:35
refine them. Like it it's like it's like it
43:38
focuses, you know, we've got the laser.
43:41
I mean, but it kind of takes their existing personality and
43:48
kind of like a blade. It just sharpens it, you know,
43:51
and it and it just makes it that much more precise and refined
43:56
and sharper and focused. And I would.
43:58
Concur with that. Yeah.
44:00
I, I think it also tends to amplify it too, because from
44:07
what I've noticed, if somebody is willing to embrace that, you
44:12
know, low time preference style that comes with it and sharpen
44:18
themselves, they become more confident in their moves that
44:22
they make in life and the other things they do.
44:25
And I would say that they, you know, a lot of individuals
44:31
would, in becoming more confident about what they're
44:35
doing, become more bold in regards to the decisions that
44:39
they might make and why they make them because they have a
44:42
better understanding of, you know, what they're doing and why
44:45
they're doing it instead of, you know, just running around like a
44:49
Fiat chicken with the head cut off.
44:54
Yeah, well, that's it. Like when you've got a ground of
44:56
truth that you can stand on and operate off, it takes time.
45:01
Like you can't do it straight away, but.
45:03
Word. You can.
45:05
Everything else becomes noise A. 100% exactly and.
45:10
Then the, the solid stuff in you, you're not afraid to, you
45:15
know, outwardly express it and push it because you know, you're
45:18
operating from a place of truth. And and with that, you know,
45:22
people, I find they, you know it, it amplifies who they are
45:27
kind of. Yeah, I've, I've said this on
45:29
the pod before. It's like a, a, a neutral
45:35
amplifier of of effect, I think, and that's not mine.
45:39
That's that's actually source node from the the Holotropic
45:45
Renaissance pod. But this notion about circling
45:49
around a common element of truth.
45:52
And once we do that, you know, we can stand on that.
45:54
That's when the freedom to be an individual, to flourish can
45:59
actually occur, you know, and you can go out and do the things
46:03
that you need to do that you want to do without, you know,
46:06
necessarily having like being coerced to do it.
46:11
You know, you can you get greater coherence and scale is
46:14
kind of the point. And, and your story is an
46:17
example of how as an individual doing these things, which are
46:23
ultimately contributing to me being able to sit here and do
46:27
these things that I'm doing, like hosting the pod or
46:29
whatever. And all these other people, even
46:31
these dip shits like Larry Fink, You're, he's kind of helping you
46:36
and you're helping him. But it and, and we could be
46:39
necessarily be enemies and, and not, you know, one, but we,
46:44
we're forced to cohere around this one thing and it all gets
46:47
put into a block at the end, at the end of that 10 minute mark.
46:51
And we're all doing it voluntarily.
46:55
You know, all the honesty, the fairness, the trustworthiness,
47:00
it gets filtered through that even if you're being a deceptive
47:02
little shit and trying to manipulate the price and the
47:05
market, you can only do that for so long.
47:09
And then you'll get found out and there'll be a lot of
47:11
collateral damage along the way, as we've seen in the past with
47:14
FTX and Celsius and all that. But notionally, you, you all
47:19
have to pass through this orange filter if you want to
47:22
participate. And you can participate in
47:25
whichever way you want, whichever way you're good at.
47:28
And we're talking right now. You and I's roles are completely
47:33
desperate. We're interested in this thing,
47:35
this Bitcoin thing. You're contributing it to ways
47:38
that I like, admire and could not even fucking fathom, to be
47:42
perfectly honest. And yeah.
47:45
Well, thank you for your kind words, Sir.
47:46
Pulling in the same direction. And it's it's kind of kind of
47:50
nuts when you think about it. We can.
47:52
We can just scale that civilizationally.
47:56
I hope that it happens sooner than later.
48:00
Well, you're going to have to lower your time preference on
48:02
that. I think I, I've my expectations
48:06
are like 2025 the way that that's played out and not
48:09
necessarily in regards to price action, but just like it's, it's
48:13
wild that, you know, there's, there's people around me that
48:17
still haven't quite figured it out and they're like, so you're
48:20
still into that Bitcoin thing. Yep, you're still going out to
48:23
the field and like getting all oily and greasy and dirty and
48:27
such to, to tinker with those those computers you got going
48:30
on. Is that you still doing that?
48:32
Is that a good? You know what?
48:33
What's that like? I've actually had somebody say
48:36
that to me before. You know what I tell them?
48:38
Being the most sovereign son of a bitch you ever met in your
48:42
life is something I am still doing.
48:46
They they can't. That's like what?
48:48
That's, that's like way, way outside their wheelhouse.
48:53
And I'm talking they, they, that's the hamster on the wheel.
48:56
They, you know, that's safe. That's safe.
48:58
I mean, know where you're at. Like you.
49:01
You run in your own networks. You're working by satellite, you
49:06
create your own electricity, literally.
49:09
And now you have, you know, fuck you money that can't be fucked
49:14
with. It's like 100% something that
49:18
most people just, they have a hard time comprehending because
49:22
like they see the light switch, they turned it on and then the
49:25
light goes on. They have no understanding of
49:28
where that comes from, how it gets to them.
49:30
They just know that that's electricity.
49:33
That's a light switch. I turned that on.
49:35
I get electricity like and then with their money, they don't
49:38
have any clue how it works. They just know that they go to
49:43
the store and there's a person that's willing to accept this
49:45
paper in exchange for the goods or service.
49:48
Where it came from, how it became and how the mechanisms of
49:53
action on the back end work. Totally, totally oblivious.
49:58
And it's just like the ignorance is their bliss, you know?
50:03
Because if they really understood, they would be
50:06
kicking the door down for guys like yourself and me to figure
50:10
out what we're doing, how we figured this out, and trying to
50:14
get on that level. Because they would realize that
50:19
there actually is quite a bit to be fearful of in regards to what
50:24
is happening in the direction that things are going in, you
50:29
know? Well, yes, but as you've got in
50:33
that you retweeted this meme recently of Dennis Nedry from
50:40
Jurassic Park. He's sitting there with that
50:42
dude in the opening scene. You know, Dodson, we've got.
50:45
Dodson cares. See, nobody cares.
50:49
Hello. Hey, everyone, We're losing our
50:52
freedom to and slipping into tyranny.
50:55
You know, in that Hawaiian show. Nobody.
50:57
Cares. Nobody cares and it's like.
51:00
It's so real, it's sad. It's it's, it's tragic,
51:04
actually, but. Here's the thing, like I said,
51:06
as long as they can flip the switch and the light turns on or
51:10
the guy at the store or wherever they're going will take their
51:14
shitty worthless piece of paper and it works for them, then they
51:18
don't care about anything else. They're so like stuck in their
51:23
own world trying to, you know, I would say in some cases just
51:28
survive the and, you know, they're they don't, they don't
51:32
see beyond, you know, the end of their nose.
51:36
And the system, in my opinion, is designed like that.
51:39
They keep people making just enough money to get by so that
51:44
they have to continue working. But they can have these little
51:47
conveniences and comforts. They can afford them, but
51:50
they'll never get enough to actually break away from it.
51:54
So then they'll have time to actually, you know, kind of pull
51:58
back the curtain and see what the hell, take time to see what
52:01
the hell is going on. Everybody's like on this fucking
52:05
perpetual hamster wheel just trying to make ends meet.
52:09
And I think really that's by design, you know?
52:12
Well then, to that effect, what do you wish more people knew
52:18
about Bitcoin? That if they price everything in
52:26
Bitcoin, that it becomes cheaper.
52:30
So when I talk to a an individual who's I guess who's
52:37
called boomers and when I talk to people like that and I tell
52:42
them, look, let's look at how many bitcoins it would have
52:45
taken to purchase your house in 2015.
52:50
And now let's look at that same house and look at how many
52:53
bitcoins it takes to buy it today.
52:55
And they see that it was, let's say 1000 bitcoins and, you know,
53:00
just for an example example in in 2015, but then today that
53:03
same house they can buy with two or three Bitcoin.
53:08
Then they they start to get curious.
53:11
So why is that? What is that all about?
53:15
Where, where does the mechanism of action that makes that a
53:20
thing come from? And, and everything and, and
53:23
that I, you know, because for, you know, to protect your
53:28
purchasing power through time and space against inflation is
53:32
something that the entire world is struggling with right now.
53:37
And I think that if more people understood that with this
53:42
particular tool, I, I view Bitcoin as a tool, not just
53:45
money, and if they understood how to use the tool, they would.
53:51
And that would, it protects them that there would be a lot more
53:55
interest. I feel like I.
53:59
Think so, but it's that hurdle of.
54:03
Well, let me let me real quick stop you there in regards to the
54:07
hurdle. The hurdle in my opinion, is
54:12
having to admit that you don't know shit and that you have
54:17
swallowed the entire lie hook, line and sinker for so long.
54:22
And you have to literally got to admit that you're wrong.
54:25
You don't know anything about what you're talking about.
54:28
And that is so extremely difficult for people, it's not
54:32
even funny. Yeah, it's ego.
54:35
It's huge amounts of ego just in the way Paul over that pine.
54:40
Yo, that's real. Bitcoin is a Wrecking Ball for
54:44
people's egos. It really is, and which makes me
54:48
think, you know, is, is Uncle Larry?
54:52
Has he got less eager than we thought?
54:57
Well, I don't know. I imagine, I imagine that Uncle
55:02
Scary Larry probably has at least enough smarter people than
55:10
him around him, telling him and advising him that even if his
55:15
ego was in the way, I'm sure that he probably started
55:19
stacking some corn before BlackRock actually came and
55:22
started doing it themselves. You know, as an institution.
55:25
Yeah, I mean, Trump's got a huge.
55:28
Issue. But he, I think, I think money
55:31
and money can kind of like this. The promise, I guess if you have
55:34
enough capital to allocate like like an excess amount of
55:38
capital, you could be like, yeah, all right, Like, you know,
55:42
a couple of percent in Bitcoin sounds fine.
55:44
Great, cool, no worries, onwards to the next thing.
55:47
And maybe it doesn't even touch you at that point.
55:49
Maybe there's like a like a level of, of, of money that you
55:56
have where ego doesn't even come.
55:59
Well, that's, that's a good point that you're making right
56:03
there actually, because I have, I've had individuals tell me
56:08
that they don't understand it enough and they so they, they're
56:13
limited on their finance and what they're able to do.
56:16
And because they're already living check to check and
56:20
sometimes I'm pure credit only they are terrified to go into
56:25
something, an asset like Bitcoin because they have no
56:29
understanding about it. And they're afraid to, to get
56:33
rubbed and their inability to humble themselves and say that,
56:38
well, I don't know what the hell I'm talking about and go educate
56:42
themselves on it, You know, keeps them in that fear factor
56:46
form to where they, they even the little bit that they are
56:50
able to scrimp and scrounge and save.
56:53
They just, they won't put it into Bitcoin because they're,
56:57
you know, they're afraid of not being able to make those ends
57:01
meet, feed themselves, pay their mortgage or whatever.
57:04
And it's, you know, like it's a fear based thing.
57:08
You know, they're, they're already living in fear and they
57:12
don't want to actually put themselves in the position to to
57:17
have those fears realized. Like they in their mind, they're
57:22
certain that this can happen because of everything that they
57:25
think they know about it. And but, you know, if they were
57:29
willing to just kind of sit down and shut the fuck up and read
57:35
instead of just parroting every little stupid thing that they
57:39
hear thinking that, oh, I heard this on the Internet, it must be
57:42
true. Well, you know, they'd be in a
57:45
much better position mentally to take those financial what what
57:50
they would consider financial risk.
57:52
Whereas I look at Bitcoin as a financial surety, you know what
57:56
I mean? Yeah.
57:57
It's, it's, I guess it's, it's about perception at that point
58:00
and. Correct.
58:02
Like I have a thing that I like to say that if you if some, if
58:10
you don't like the way something looks or the perspective, change
58:14
your vantage point. And the only way to do that in
58:18
some cases is to just, you know, stop and reassess what you think
58:24
you know, because a lot of people, they know too much, you
58:28
know too much for their own good.
58:30
And it keeps them stifled and not in and doesn't allow them to
58:35
get into a position of growth when it comes to knowledge on,
58:39
you know, a lot of different things.
58:42
Yeah, this. There's more than one way to
58:44
collapse a wave, if you know what I'm saying.
58:48
You can, you can be the observer.
58:50
And if you don't don't like what you see, reset and and collapse
58:55
it a different way. You know, it's what is it that
58:58
that fear thing, face everything and I forget everything and run
59:03
or face everything and rise. It's kind of that Zig Ziglar
59:06
quote. I think you're getting that
59:08
right. But I mean, yeah, people, people
59:10
have a lot of baggage and biases that they need to overcome.
59:15
And I guess when they're encountering Bitcoin for the
59:19
first time, it depends very much so on their current state of
59:24
being and how that information will actually like filter
59:28
through into their mind and whether it will elicit a, the
59:33
particular fear response, whether it's forget everything,
59:35
run or you know, phase everything and rise.
59:39
So this is in human nature. There's interest.
59:43
Interesting thing. Yeah, I was just going to say
59:47
most of the world is stuck in a position of running currently,
59:51
you know, and like they think that the direction to run in is
59:56
towards more money when in reality it's not.
1:00:01
More money is changing the type of money is what they need to
1:00:06
understand. You don't need to be running
1:00:08
towards more money. You need to be running towards
1:00:10
the right money. Yeah, I saw a meme the other
1:00:15
day, kind of love memes. Was that from Inception with
1:00:19
Leo? And it's, you know, they're at a
1:00:21
bar. And the first caption is like,
1:00:24
gold is better money. And then he's like, Oh yeah,
1:00:27
send me some. Yes, yeah, I've seen that too
1:00:32
recently. The.
1:00:34
Chase, it's so good. Like this is, Yep, this is,
1:00:37
yeah, I don't know. I wish I was smart enough to
1:00:40
come up with that stuff while I was at like a family dinner or
1:00:42
something and having that conversation with that
1:00:45
begrudging uncle. I'm actually, I'm actually not
1:00:48
allowed to talk in family dinner or something.
1:00:51
Just just kidding. Make.
1:00:53
It easy for you but keep stuff. When I do get to those little
1:00:59
gatherings, it's more or less like my stepfather or, you know,
1:01:05
saying, hey, you know, why don't you take it easy this year like
1:01:09
this or that. And I'm like, what are you
1:01:11
talking about? He's like, well, you say stuff
1:01:13
and it's just like, wow, what? Like I can't help it, man.
1:01:20
It's like I see things, I am observing things and if you
1:01:24
don't think I'm going to report to you all the truth on things,
1:01:27
then well, you know, what do you want me to do?
1:01:29
Sit down with you all and just fucking spoofy hot fucking lies
1:01:32
all day to you. The same shit you're hearing on
1:01:34
the news. It's just literal propaganda.
1:01:37
Like I don't roll like that. And if if you don't want fucking
1:01:40
the truth, don't invite me. Well, it's not even that.
1:01:43
It's more about why aren't you even open to the discussion?
1:01:46
Like, can we just like, unpack this a little bit?
1:01:49
Like, do we have somewhere to go?
1:01:51
Well, see, remember what I told you about that?
1:01:54
That would require people to admit that they are wrong, that
1:01:59
they don't know what they're talking about.
1:02:00
And man, that is hard for so many people.
1:02:04
They have to admit that they were lied to about everything.
1:02:08
And that dude, that makes so many people uncomfortable.
1:02:12
It's tough. It's tough mountain to move.
1:02:16
Like I'm over here trying to move this mountain with a
1:02:19
fucking plastic spoon. It feels.
1:02:20
It was like sometimes. We need to.
1:02:23
We need to have that evolution of consciousness ASAP.
1:02:27
We need to we need to have some kind of punctuated equilibrium.
1:02:32
Awakening. Awakening, yeah.
1:02:35
I got to ask this before I pivot to my last question.
1:02:38
You mentioned Kentucky a few times.
1:02:40
Now. I don't know a heck of a lot
1:02:42
about Kentucky other than that Sturgill Simpson, the greatest
1:02:47
country music artist of the modern age, is from Kentucky.
1:02:51
I just got to ask, are you? Are you friends with Sturgill?
1:02:55
Nope, don't even know who that is.
1:02:56
Cool OK moving on. Would recommend listening to
1:03:00
High Top Mountain if anyone's out there and meta modern sounds
1:03:03
and country music two of the greatest.
1:03:05
I do you one I I like. I like to be an open minded man.
1:03:11
So if you send me a link, I'll I'll in the DM I'll check him
1:03:15
out. But I like I'm, I don't really
1:03:18
listen to country music too much because it's very twangy and
1:03:22
like it seems like it's now instead of like old school Alan
1:03:27
Jackson stuff. Now it's just like pop trash
1:03:31
that's been given a twang. Oh.
1:03:34
It's terrible and I'm just. Terrible.
1:03:35
What the hell is this? Yeah, I mean, look, the the,
1:03:39
the, the there are limits and and it's been fucked, you know,
1:03:44
in the last, certainly the last 10 years.
1:03:49
There's a few people still holding the torch.
1:03:50
But yeah, anyway, I reckon Sturgill, I'll check in the show
1:03:54
notes and I'll and I'll and I'll shoot you DM.
1:03:57
Let's bring this in the land. What does Bitcoin mean to you?
1:04:04
Freedom, sovereignty, truth, and some might even say power.
1:04:11
But I would say the ability to choose.
1:04:14
And that gives you, you know, your own power in a sense,
1:04:19
right? Yeah, well, power can be
1:04:23
misconstrued in many, many different ways, but correct is
1:04:27
power not just the capacity to do work.
1:04:31
Agreed. And, and, and I would say that
1:04:34
it's not how much you have, it's what you do with what you have
1:04:40
that is the most important thing.
1:04:42
That sounds like a whole other podcast.
1:04:45
Oh man, I've been told. I, I've been told some things
1:04:49
about some things I've said in the past.
1:04:51
So we maybe do that. Hold tarantula, man, we got
1:04:57
there and I got to say it's it's been a cracking RIP.
1:05:01
This is going to be the final RIP of 2025.
1:05:05
We're going to have a quick break holidays, but.
1:05:09
I'm blessed to close out the year with you.
1:05:11
Exactly. I want to say Merry Christmas
1:05:13
and thank you so much man for jumping on.
1:05:16
I don't like timing these things.
1:05:17
I've just completely blown that out of the water.
1:05:20
But hey, what are we going to do?
1:05:21
I. Respect that.
1:05:23
I respect that. I just wanted to.
1:05:24
Say, put a timeline on truth, baby.
1:05:28
It just comes. Thank you for spending some
1:05:31
scarce time and finite energy telling us the tale of how you
1:05:34
discovered Bitcoin. It was my pleasure and sorry
1:05:38
that we had to reschedule. Literally like freaking, I don't
1:05:42
know, 4-5 times, 6 times. But you know how it goes when
1:05:47
you're building.