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Faith, Fearlessness, and a Fight Against Cancer: Diva Jo's Tale from Maui · The Diva Details

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  Welcome to the Diva Details. Welcome to the Diva Details.
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  Let's dive in with Diva Mia and Diva Cat.
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  Well hello diva cat how are you i'm good i
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  love them look at your eyes i need to go get my lashes
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  now your eyes is like well i like having lashes
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  i do them once in a while i don't do them all the time but today diva
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  guess who we have on our podcast who we
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  have diva joe wow diva joe
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  is a true friend of mine she has been through
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  a lot she survived breast cancer and
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  she's surviving every day and you know cancer
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  is kind of a tricky thing because sometimes it goes away for
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  a little bit and then sometimes it comes back for a visit again right
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  and you have to constantly be
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  vigilant and she has worked with
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  her strong faith and with she's
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  done some traditional things and she's also done
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  some eastern and western medicine she's done it
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  all uh-huh and she's going to tell us kind of her journey okay
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  and some of the modalities that she's done in
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  order to survive and thrive and continue to fight
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  every day that's awesome that will help a
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  lot it will help a lot of people so without further ado diva joe how are you
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  today hi guys good to see both of you you look beautiful well thank you you
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  look beautiful and amazing as well you're gorgeous by the way yeah oh thank
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  you I think she's one of the most beautiful women I know. I know.
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  And she has gone through so much, and she's an inspiration to my heart. Mm-hmm.
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  And I just wanted to kind of get started with your story and kind of start with the very beginning.
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  If you had any signs that you had cancer, if you knew what was going on,
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  or, you know, what happened to give you your first diagnosis?
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  Yes. So I always thought, cancer's terrible, but it's never going to be me.
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  Always. Just was not on my radar. I wasn't afraid of cancer.
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  I'm like, no, that's just not going to be my journey.
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  But little did I know, one day I took a shower and I got out of the shower and
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  I'm like, what is this giant lump sticking out of my breasts?
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  And I could like rub my arm against it. I'm like, what is that?
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  And I had never seen it. I do breast exams, you know, maybe not every month, but every few months.
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  And I never felt it until it was big and sticking out. And that was.
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  20, 20 months ago, 22 months ago. And of course, you immediately go to the worst thing, right?
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  Yes. And I did. I'm like, but you're also kind of pep talking yourself.
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  No, it's something else. You're Googling.
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  Like, oh, no, it's some kind of cystic fibrosis. It's something,
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  you know, just trying to give yourself peace.
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  But I went ahead and had an ultrasound and that finally came back and said, no, it looks normal.
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  All is well, but you're due for a mammo. And so I went and got the mammo.
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  And then the next thing I knew my doctor was
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  calling me and saying we need to do a biopsy and that was
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  in November of 2023 and that
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  biopsy was it was a scary hard thing I
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  don't think people are even prepared for what a biopsy is I had to be in a mammogram
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  machine my boob being squished while they took needles they're called core biopsy
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  needles and they basically drill into the math and pull chunks out while you're
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  while you're pressed and then you have this machine that's kind of talking to you saying,
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  no, do not attempt this right now or you will puncture the tumor.
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  Like it's like, it's very stressful.
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  And the doctor's in there, the tech's in there and they're all trying to just
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  get this safely. And I was so stressed out.
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  That was my first, maybe not my first, but a very clear moment where my faith
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  really served me because I was so stressful and I almost just didn't want to
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  finish it because of all these scary things coming from the machine.
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  But I literally just, this is going to be a lot of spiritual,
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  so I hope you guys don't mind, But I literally felt Jesus put his hands on my
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  shoulder, like from behind while I was getting while I was smushed in this mammogram
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  machine. And it just gave me so much peace.
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  Like, OK, this is step one of whatever may come.
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  I can feel Jesus with me right now and he's going to walk with me, whatever this may be.
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  And so we got through it and the technician said, I'm just going to be honest
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  with you. Ninety percent, you have cancer.
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  Wow. Told me right then and there. So it was hard.
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  I walked out my husband was waiting for me and I'm like it's not good
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  and about a week and they're like yes you have invasive ductal carcinoma so
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  that was November what month did you feel the lung I felt it like October 1st
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  so it took a good six weeks to get to the point of diagnosis wow that long and
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  you're a lot you're in Maui actually yeah.
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  And I know that for autoimmune and for cancer, there, a lot of times there's triggers.
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  And sometimes, do you think the line of fires or any stress from COVID or anything
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  like that could have led to it?
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  Because a lot of times it's an emotional trigger that leads to cancers.
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  Yeah, I think both could be.
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  I am not vaccinated, but I did have COVID about 18 months prior to diagnosis,
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  and I had a pretty bad bout of it.
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  People talk about turbo cancers and things like that with the vaccine,
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  but I think it's COVID and the vaccine. I think both were dealing with spike
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  proteins, whether it's lab made or the spike proteins from COVID.
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  And I really think I may have experienced some kind of acceleration for it to
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  go from just nothing with self breast exams to a five centimeter tumor, which is really large.
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  I'm not certain on this, but I do feel like the fires, the Maui fires could
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  have been a trigger as well. My first life, I was married to a Navy SEAL for
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  21 years, and he was SEAL Team 6, Osama bin Laden.
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  You know, all the crazy stories, that was our life. I had a lot of experience
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  with trauma, and so I think it kind of triggered me.
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  I was up that whole night of the fire. I was just waiting to hear if we had to evacuate.
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  It just brought me back to a lot of that 21 years as a Navy SEAL wife and the stress.
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  And that was only two months later I got diagnosed. yeah so
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  they call them shock events and a lot of alternative cancer
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  places really go into exploring trauma in general
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  and shock events that kind of take these cells that maybe are precancerous and
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  then just kind of push it faster so you don't ever i don't think you ever really
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  know these things but you definitely can have your theories and when it comes
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  to trauma it should be a big part of cancer care dealing with trauma resettling revisit.
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  You don't want to revisit it, but you need to, you know. Yeah,
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  there's an emotional toll that the trauma takes on the human body.
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  And, you know, modern medicine, we try to keep it separate. We think that,
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  you know, psychological is different and our mental state is different from
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  our physical, but it's not.
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  It's so combined and our spiritual, too, because if you have a belief that you're
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  going to survive and you have a belief in God, you're much more likely to survive as well.
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  So your belief system, your spiritual, your spiritual health,
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  your mental health, your physical health are all tied together.
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  So it is so crucial to really delve into all of them and just really analyze,
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  you know, what happened in order to heal.
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  And sometimes you got to go back to the past and sometimes you just need to move on with the future.
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  And I don't think they focus on mental health enough when they are working with cancer.
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  Because some people get depressed and sad and
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  they fall into a depression state and that makes the cancer
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  worse yeah yeah losing losing hope and
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  slinking into depression can definitely hinder healing
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  right right and i found myself you know i a lot of holistic stuff including
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  going to a cancer center in mexico called hope for cancer and there they started
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  counseling with me and they made me make a list of all my traumas through my
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  entire life and that really got me thinking about these things,
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  you know, and there's some big things I went through.
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  When you look back, you're like, well, of course I got cancer now that I look
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  at that list of all the trauma, you know.
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  But I definitely, in a compartmentalizer, I'm a definitely glass half full kind of girl.
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  And so I think I really did think these things were settled, but they weren't.
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  They were still lodged in my body and they needed to be resettled safely and
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  just reprocessed in a different way.
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  And so I did a lot of therapy called brain spotting, revisiting some of the
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  traumas. I was raped when I was 18.
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  That one plagued me for a long, long time. Just the trauma from that,
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  you know, the Navy SEAL wife life was a very, very challenging,
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  a lot of deaths. My brother died at age 28.
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  And interestingly enough, both my mom, my dad, and me have all had cancer.
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  And I think that that death of my brother was maybe the catalyst for all three
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  of us. My mom and my dad both have cancer.
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  So, and as none of it's genetic, there's no genetic links there.
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  It's just like we're talking about.
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  I mean, I really feel some people
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  go so far as to say cancer is like 60 to 80% trauma, which is crazy.
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  And I think in this day and age, we like to say, oh, I dealt with that chapter.
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  It's closed, but it's still there.
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  And we really should make counseling and therapy.
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  There's so many different means now and modes for unloading trauma.
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  It should be a priority for everyone before you get cancer. Yeah.
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  Well, and it's not just cancer. Like my autoimmune was triggered.
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  I had a lot of traumas back to back to back and the end of 2023 as well.
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  And in 2024, I got diagnosed with an autoimmune. Before that,
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  I had some health issues, but the autoimmune got triggered because of all the trauma.
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  And autoimmunes. So there's a lot of people out there with autoimmunes out there
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  too, that they're getting triggered.
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  And I think as women, we take on a lot more responsibility to just handle everything for everyone.
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  And we do it all. And we forget.
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  And that's why I think so many women, so many more women have autoimmunes than
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  men. And that's one of the stats. I think it's like 80% more autoimmunes are in women than men.
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  And I do believe it's because we take on all the responsibility for everyone and everything.
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  And that creates stress in the body and will trigger stuff.
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  And stress leads to cancer, leads to autoimmunes. It can lead to all kinds of
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  things. So you have to really be vigilant in your mental health.
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  And we don't prioritize it in this country at all.
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  I mean, mental health is like lowest on the list. And then it manifests in disease is what happens.
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  And if you don't have a spiritual mindset, it breaks people.
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  And I think I'm loving the faith conversation because I think the faith that
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  you've had through this whole thing has been inspiring to me.
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  And I think that it kept you sound mind.
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  And yes, I know you went through challenges, but at the same time,
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  I think it helped you stay on the path, whereas a lot of people with the stuff
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  you've gone through would have already folded.
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  So what did you do with the treatment? They took it out?
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  Yeah. So tell us about what happened once you got diagnosed.
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  Yeah, well, once I got diagnosed, I was no offense to Maui, but I'm like,
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  I'm not dealing with this here in Maui.
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  We have limited options for health care. And I went straight to the mainland.
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  I went back to Virginia Beach, Virginia, where I actually did my entire military career.
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  And it's the land of TRICARE, my insurance. So I had the best options there.
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  And I went the surgical route.
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  And I think when people get diagnosed, they don't know where to go.
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  Do I go to an oncologist? Do I go to a surgeon?
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  And you really can start either place. That was just my gut,
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  and I went to the surgeon, and she was a very good one, and she just gave me my options.
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  She's like, we can do lumpectomy, but you're going to need chemo and radiation.
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  We can do mastectomy, single or double, and there's a chance you won't need
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  chemo and radiation. And to me, I just did not want to do chemo and radiation.
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  It was just a thing where I'm like, I want to heal the body.
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  I want to give the body what it needs. I don't want to start,
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  you know, killing the good cells with the bad cells.
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  I was very adverse to it, but, you know, I wasn't completely closed off,
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  but I was trying to avoid it. So I went ahead and said double mastectomy.
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  And the main reason I did double was because I had big boobs.
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  And I'm like, I don't want to have B completely flat and then one double D left, you know.
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  So, like, well, we can decide what we're going to do with reconstruction,
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  you know. We'll start fresh. Let's get a blank canvas here.
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  Right? So, you know, it was very stressful, though, getting prepared for surgery.
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  I had surgery 30 days after diagnosis.
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  Wow. That did it quick. Very quick.
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  Yeah, it was very quick. Sometimes you wait. You know, you wait so long to get
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  appointments and stuff. So mine was quick.
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  And this is the thing with cancer. The other thing is she did,
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  she checked my lymph nodes. She went into the ultrasound room with me,
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  checked my lymph nodes. She's like, they're all clear.
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  You know, this looks good. Let's just do the surgery. And then five days later,
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  I got my pathology back and she was almost crying on the phone when she called
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  me and she's like, it's not good.
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  Your tumor was five centimeters, which is very large. You had four positive lymph nodes.
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  We took out 11. You had four positive lymph nodes. And then she said,
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  and you have, we didn't get negative margin. You have breast cancer attacking the skin.
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  And we have to, what she said was we need to do chemo for six months.
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  Then we need to take everything out. So she wanted to do chemo to try to shrink
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  this cancer that was in the skin and then go back and cut out more skin. So it was super gnarly.
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  Like this and me and my husband were devastated.
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  We were so sad. Just that thought that we just did it. We just and so 13 days
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  later, I was having another double mastectomy.
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  And basically what I told her was I want to do I just want to go for surgery.
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  I don't want to do six months of chemo with these expanders,
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  these fake boobs they put in to try to stretch your skin out.
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  They were already really uncomfortable. and I just said, I'd like for you just
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  to try to get negative margins. Go ahead, take it all out and try to get margins.
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  And she said, okay, let's do it. And she said, but let's put your port in.
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  And here's my port. I still have it. And even though I wasn't going to do chemo in my own mind,
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  I said yes, because I already had my mindset to go to Hope for Cancer in Mexico
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  and they can do all the natural IVs through it.
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  So I'm like, yeah, let's just put it in. And then this bad boy has It's probably
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  done 70 IVs for me. Oh, wow.
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  I've definitely got my money's worth on it. Yeah. So, yeah, this is my port,
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  and I agreed to have it put in, even though I was still trying to avoid chemo. Wow.
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  She was really insistent on it. So while she was removing my breast tissue,
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  any remaining breast tissue, she put this in.
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  And I just knew that I'd be able to use it for my natural cancer journey.
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  I knew I could use it when I got to Hope for Cancer.
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  Bad Boy has done probably 70 IVs that are not chemo just to strengthen and help
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  my body like high-dose vitamin C and things like that.
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  So high-dose vitamin C, you didn't do NAD because you can't do that when you
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  have cancer. But did you do like any other types of things like glutathione
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  or anything else to like clear you out?
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  Yeah, I did a lot of different things.
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  Glutathione is not one because there's actually studies showing glutathione can feed cancer.
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  It's great if you don't have active cancer, but it's not good if you have active
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  cancer. That's kind of the general consensus.
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  There's mixed, you know, I think maybe we'll talk about that in a minute.
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  Like just the overload of information and how do you wade through it because
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  one party is going to say glutathione, glutathione and another party's going
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  to be like, don't do it if you're dealing with active cancer.
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  So I haven't done glutathione, but I have done a lot. So she actually got clear
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  margins and she was able to get all of that breast cancer attacking the skin.
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  But what I wanted to say about that was that day that I was getting that core
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  biopsy with my boobs smashed, my boobs smashed in the mammogram,
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  I could see the scars where they had taken it.
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  And when she did my reconstruction, she did not take that off.
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  I came out of surgery and I could still see the biopsy scars.
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  And there's something called seeding. And oncology will say,
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  oh, it's so rare. It doesn't really happen, but it does happen.
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  And basically what happens is when they puncture the tumor and they pull the
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  cells out, it can seed in your other skin as it's being pulled through.
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  Did you ask her to remove it? What was that? Did you ask her to remove that too?
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  I just assumed she would, which I probably shouldn't, but you're just,
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  you know, you're You're like a deer in headlights with all this stuff.
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  So when we went in for the second surgery, I did say, I'm like,
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  my biopsy mark is still here. I need you to remove this when you...
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  Take out the reconstruction and you take as much skin as possible,
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  that needs to go. And she did.
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  And she got clear margins that time. So I can't be certain I experienced seeding,
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  but I feel like I did experience seeding.
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  So it's a real thing and a real concern with biopsy.
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  It makes sense that if you're putting your cells out, that they could plant somewhere else too.
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  Yeah. And there are a lot of things you can do if you need to have a biopsy.
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  There's a lot of substances that make your cancer cells, if you have cancer cells, less virulent.
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  Like ECGC, which is green tea extract, drinking green tea, matcha,
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  and you can get it in pill form, vitamin C, vitamin D.
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  And there's a few more. If you
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  Google it, you'll see what supplements can help prepare you for biopsy.
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  So, it makes sure if you do have cancer cells, settle down so they're not quite as aggressive.
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  But something to be aware of to consider biopsies, you know,
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  and see if you can kind of prepare for it.
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  I'm not saying you should never do a biopsy, but there are risks involved you
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  know yes yeah so we got we got clean margins and then she sent me to the oncologist
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  and the oncologist said some pretty harsh things like you have 50 chance of recurrence,
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  but when there's just so much deer and headlight factor in all of this that
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  you're just like what does that really mean and then he's like and we're going
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  to do chemo for six months and that's going to reduce it down to 24 and then
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  we're going to do radiation and that's going to reduce it down to 18%.
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  And then you'll get on hormone therapy and that'll reduce it down to 16%.
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  So doing all of that, I still had a 16% chance of recurrence.
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  They wanted to do chemo for 24 months.
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  Yeah, it was so long. And it's because I had a bad pathology, you know.
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  But I didn't go chemo. I did not go chemo. I politely refused and I went straight
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  to Hope for Cancer Mexico where I did three weeks of really intense full mind,
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  body, soul type healing.
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  Tons of IVs. Like I said, I've had 70 different IVs from mistletoe to vitamin
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  C to curcumin, just a lot of different things going through that.
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  But there they just kind of go over what you might have heard is like called root cause cancer care.
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  It's trying to identify the root cause. Why did you get cancer?
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  We don't get cancer for no reason. Emotional and trauma is a huge part of it.
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  But there's so many other factors that all kind of, you know,
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  it's like the terrain of our body.
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  And there's all these areas. And any one or two or three or four of them can be out of whack.
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  And it creates a perfect storm where our body doesn't do the job of fighting
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  off those cancer cells. There could have been environmental as well.
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  Because when the Lahaina fires happened, there were a lot of carcinogens released into the air.
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  And it could have been that your body had the stress, which allowed the carcinogens
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  then to act in a way that maybe one of those had you not had that much stress.
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  But yeah, there were a lot of carcinogens released in the air when those fires
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  were going on. I would love to see, and I don't want this to be true,
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  but to see in a few years if, like, right after Lahaina fires,
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  there was a big uptick in cancer diagnoses.
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  Well, I know a couple people that got diagnosed within six months of the fire. So, yeah.
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  Yeah, it's hard to know. But I wanted to deal with all of those areas as best
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  as I could, even if I couldn't identify which ones were my biggest problems.
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  But over time, I have identified which some of my biggest ones were.
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  This book is great. If you guys need a good book on cancer, this is written
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  by the doctor who started Hope for Cancer, Dr. Jimenez.
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  And they've got a chart that kind of shows all of the information.
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  All of the areas that you need to focus on when you're trying to cure cancer or heal cancer.
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  And so they focus on non-toxic cancer therapies, boosting your immune system,
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  calling immunomodulation, full-spectrum nutrition, detoxification, oxygenation.
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  Restoring your microbiome, and emotional and spiritual healing.
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  So I dove into all of those. Probably the biggest ones, I really did end up
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  TMI having parasites. And I had dealt with that continually.
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  There's just so much that comes. I mean, I could talk about intracellular infection
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  and links to parasites and cancer.
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  You can just deep dive so much into all of this stuff. Parasites are common.
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  Yeah. So should that be parasites? No, no. They say that something like 90%
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  of the population has or has had parasites within the last five years.
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  Okay. And you go to Mexico and if you get Montezuma's revenge,
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  as they call it, it might come with parasites.
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  So a lot of people will just preventively now do parasite cleanses because you never know.
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  If you have animals, you may have parasites.
• 21:08
  If you have dogs lick you on the face, you may have parasites.
• 21:11
  And so you have to constantly de-parasite yourself because parasites,
• 21:15
  when they take hold, they can lead to cancer and autoimmune diseases.
• 21:19
  So it causes inflammation in the body and inflammation leads to these problems.
• 21:24
  So, yeah, a lot of people have parasites.
• 21:26
  So 90% of the U.S. population, and we're not a third world country, has parasites.
• 21:31
  In third world countries, pretty much everyone has parasites.
• 21:33
  Not everyone has worms. In other countries, they deworm. They deworm them regularly.
• 21:39
  Ivermectin. They use ivermectin. they use different types. What other were the
• 21:42
  parasite, anti-parasites that you were on?
• 21:43
  I think mostly I had liver flukes and smaller type worms were the main things
• 21:48
  that I could see, but you don't know there's also stuff that's microscopic.
• 21:52
  But I just, I got to a certain point in my healing where they just started.
• 21:56
  I think I became an unhospitable environment just from all the changes that
• 22:00
  I implemented that they started to die off. And then after a while they were gone.
• 22:05
  They're never gone, but the die off stopped and I felt like they were at a more acceptable level.
• 22:10
  Parasites can even kind of turn on on and off switches in your body for their
• 22:14
  own benefit, which mimic what benefits cancer.
• 22:18
  So they kind of help cancer grow because they're trying to make their own life.
• 22:23
  They're trying to live and grow.
• 22:24
  And so they'll start messing a little bit with these switches in your body and
• 22:29
  they can help the cancer as well.
• 22:31
  So it's very, there's a lot to it and we definitely don't have time,
• 22:35
  but that was one of what I was.
• 22:36
  And I think detoxification has been a huge one for me too.
• 22:40
  I've really deep dived into coffee enemas, into infrared sauna.
• 22:45
  Sweating out toxins, using binders, you know, just all of these things just
• 22:49
  because we do, we get so much lodged in fat.
• 22:52
  There's so many toxins lodged in our fat and in other tissues in our body.
• 22:56
  So I spent a lot of time doing that. But the thing is, it's like I'm like talking
• 23:00
  about all the things I've done, yet I still don't.
• 23:03
  I'm having a recurrence. I'm having a recurrence, you know.
• 23:06
  So I guess everything I did really made a difference in my body.
• 23:09
  And I had zero indication of
• 23:12
  cancer on all my blood tests, all of my markers. I was doing so, so good.
• 23:16
  But a year later, I had an uptick on one test that is a super accurate test for reoccurrence.
• 23:23
  And I went and had a PET scan and I have more cancer in my lymph nodes here.
• 23:27
  So I've been dealing with that for the last six months, trying to come up with
• 23:31
  a plan for getting rid of these cancer cells that are being resistant.
• 23:34
  The thing, I didn't talk about it yet, but estrogen-driven breast cancer is
• 23:39
  the most common kind of breast cancer.
• 23:41
  And 80% of women who get breast cancer, it's estrogen-driven.
• 23:45
  Meaning their cancer cells have estrogen receptors on them and it eats up excess estrogen.
• 23:51
  And, you know, that's our main hormone. It's a double-edged sword.
• 23:54
  So it's great because you can block your estrogen and kind of starve the cancer.
• 23:58
  But the bad part is women get recurrence up to 20 years later from estrogen-driven
• 24:04
  breast cancer because we always have estrogen.
• 24:07
  Even in menopause, we still have estrogen. You know, our fat makes estrogen.
• 24:12
  So it's one of those things that cancer cells can kind of go dormant in estrogen-driven
• 24:16
  breast cancer and then find, you know, wake up and come back and suddenly you're
• 24:20
  having recurrence. Have you tried water fasting?
• 24:23
  Is that part of your... I've only delved into water fasting a little bit.
• 24:27
  Right when I got my recurrence, I did my first three-day water fast.
• 24:32
  And then I got retested two weeks later and that marker was back to zero again.
• 24:36
  So I feel like it did play a role and I probably need to incorporate it more. I love food, though.
• 24:42
  Maybe once a month you do a three-day water fast until you've had like a couple
• 24:46
  years of nothing and then maybe do it once a quarter.
• 24:48
  I'm a big believer because there's been so many studies of people putting their
• 24:52
  cancer into remission with fasting. One guy had liver cancer,
• 24:55
  stage four, and he did a 40-day water fast, and he came out with no cancer at all.
• 25:01
  So I'm a huge proponent of water fast, and that's just me, but I just,
• 25:05
  I think it's, everyone should be doing it, at least for a few days.
• 25:09
  I'm so impressed that you can do that, and maybe I can. I didn't think I could do it. You could.
• 25:14
  And I did it. We're tougher than we think we are, right?
• 25:17
  One thing I have learned about cancer is there's no one way that works for everyone.
• 25:23
  You know, I think there's a lot of ways that God leads us into healing.
• 25:28
  I always say that God can heal in a thousand different ways.
• 25:30
  But I think there's a reason they say F cancer, you know?
• 25:34
  Yeah. I always thought that was extreme. I'm like, that's so harsh.
• 25:37
  Why is everyone getting so crazy about saying things like F cancer?
• 25:40
  And it's because it's a horrible disease and it is so sneaky and it is so resourceful. forceful.
• 25:47
  And so people like to say like, oh, just do this and I'll go away.
• 25:50
  Maybe for some people it will. And then someone else will say,
• 25:53
  well, just do this and I'll go away.
• 25:54
  Maybe for some people will. It's finding your path. Like everyone's going to
• 25:58
  have a different path to healing.
• 25:59
  And I think people get scared, like they're picking the wrong path.
• 26:04
  And I feel there's a lot of different ways to heal.
• 26:07
  And I have met so many women that have had three recurrences and now there are no evidence of disease.
• 26:13
  Four recurrences, no evidence of disease. Like, it's just a different path for every single person.
• 26:18
  And there's so many different tools we have, but it's a lot of trial and error, you know.
• 26:25
  But the thing that I feel really strongly about is that integrative is the best way to go.
• 26:29
  The best of the conventional world, the best of the holistic world.
• 26:33
  You need to do both. You need to eradicate cancer, but you also need to heal all that root cause.
• 26:38
  You need to get the root of why did you get cancer.
• 26:41
  Right now, I think it's 90% of humanity has cancer cells in their body.
• 26:47
  At any given moment, 90% of people have cancer and your body destroys the cancer cells.
• 26:52
  So cancer is when your body has been compromised enough that it's not killing cancer cells.
• 26:57
  So you have to figure out why is it not? Why is it not killing?
• 27:01
  I don't think there's a silver bullet for anyone. I have another friend that
• 27:05
  had breast cancer and she fasted three or four days, not a lot,
• 27:09
  but she also took a lot of antiparasites and she didn't do any chemo or radiation either.
• 27:15
  And she did high dose vitamin C and oxygen.
• 27:19
  And, you know, it's like you have to come up with your own little modalities, if you will.
• 27:22
  I do like AI because you can put some stuff into ChatGPT and find out what's
• 27:28
  working for some people and what's not. I think that's going to help people as well.
• 27:31
  But long term, you're going to have to come up with what works for you.
• 27:35
  And I do. I think that people sometimes put too much trust in their doctor,
• 27:39
  not that you shouldn't trust your doctor, but you should trust but verify because
• 27:43
  they have, they're very set in their ways and they only see one path forward.
• 27:48
  And they don't a lot of times take into consideration alternative medicines
• 27:51
  and more of a natural approach to doing things.
• 27:54
  Yeah, they're about eradicating the cancer cells as quickly as possible via
• 27:59
  surgery, via radiation, which is like burning or frying or through chemotherapy.
• 28:05
  And it's fine, but there's the reason that you got the cancer still has not
• 28:09
  been addressed. And I've come to the conclusion that you're damned if you do,
• 28:13
  you're damned if you don't in certain ways with cancer.
• 28:16
  And I just, I'm in so many breast cancer groups. And, you know,
• 28:19
  you just see the women who say, I did everything natural and my cancer's come back.
• 28:23
  Then you see the women that did everything conventional and their cancer is back.
• 28:26
  It's very, it's a very challenging road to navigate.
• 28:29
  But I really do feel pulling the best from both worlds is going to be your best outcome.
• 28:35
  The more you bolster your own body, the more you heal, you know,
• 28:39
  the deficiencies and the traumas and all of that, the more likely your body's
• 28:43
  going to be able to do the job of fighting it off.
• 28:46
  So right now I'm looking at adding in a few more conventional things.
• 28:50
  I'm going to start a medication called a CDK4-6 inhibitor, and it works great
• 28:55
  for estrogen-driven breast cancer, and it stops the growth cycle of the cancer cells.
• 29:00
  So it kind of freezes them out. They never come to full maturity.
• 29:04
  Is that FDA approved or is it a new drug? It's FDA approved.
• 29:07
  They've been around for about 10 years, but a lot of women who are like stage
• 29:10
  four, a year or two to live, are at 10 years of living.
• 29:14
  Like they really prolong life in estrogen-driven breast cancer in terms of just
• 29:18
  slowing down that whole process. So...
• 29:21
  And so I just try to incorporate both, you know, and there may be a kind of
• 29:25
  time when I need to do chemo. I don't know.
• 29:27
  But one thing I know is that my body is healthier now in terms of my immune
• 29:31
  system, my gut biome, like all these things are healthier now than they were before I got cancer.
• 29:36
  And even though I'm still having a little bit of recurrence,
• 29:39
  I know my body's in a better place to continue this fight.
• 29:42
  And I just get a lot of hope when I see women that are like,
• 29:45
  I had recurrence four times and now I'm no evidence of disease.
• 29:48
  It's just, it's a battle that can be challenging. But for me,
• 29:52
  I just really have felt like the Lord, give me so much peace in the process.
• 29:57
  Like, yes, I've got cancer festering right here. But I also just feel like I
• 30:02
  have so much peace. I have so much joy.
• 30:05
  I have so much almost like, why? Why do I have this?
• 30:08
  I, you know, it's kind of a supernatural thing. And it's just bolstered me and
• 30:13
  my husband so much in almost two years of this really stressful situation of
• 30:17
  how long does she have left, you know?
• 30:20
  Do you feel like you're living each day more fully now because of the cancer?
• 30:23
  Like it's made you become more awakened before it was just going along for the
• 30:28
  flow. And now it's like every day is so special.
• 30:30
  I really feel that feeling of every day is so special.
• 30:34
  Sometimes I just look at my husband, I'll be sitting on the couch and he's over
• 30:37
  there looking all cute in his readers.
• 30:39
  And I'm just like I love you so much I'll just start crying
• 30:42
  because I just feel so grateful for every
• 30:45
  day I have with him and to have such a beautiful loving man
• 30:48
  in my life and then or just like
• 30:50
  hugging in the kitchen and I'll just start crying I'm like this is
• 30:53
  so special that I'm hugging my soulmate right now
• 30:56
  or just being with my grandkids and them
• 30:59
  being crazy and silly you know I've got two two little
• 31:02
  ones on Kauai that I just am obsessed with and
• 31:04
  this grandma stage is such a blessing i'm like lord give me
• 31:07
  more time as a grandma everything feels more special
• 31:10
  every sunset every beach walk everything it
• 31:14
  really does heighten it and that definitely is a silver lining of it you know
• 31:18
  and i think it's probably something that helps people survive longer when you're
• 31:22
  just like cherishing life so much you're like so grateful for it and you just
• 31:27
  want it like it's It's going to help you heal.
• 31:31
  Yes. To feel that, you know? I mean, it has to.
• 31:34
  It's such a, that state of gratitude is such a high frequency,
• 31:39
  high vibe place to be, you know?
• 31:42
  So I do try to stay there. And it's not that hard to stay there because it's exactly what you said.
• 31:47
  You're just like, every little thing is a gift.
• 31:50
  Yeah, that's the same thing for me. It's more gratitude and joy.
• 31:54
  It's like I'm joyful, even though I'm going through my health issues as well.
• 31:59
  It makes me more grateful because I woke me up to life again.
• 32:04
  And sometimes I think we go through life as zombies and we're just going to sweep at the wheel.
• 32:08
  And then you have a health issue. And then some people get depressed from it,
• 32:11
  but some people take it as a journey and for life to be experienced and joy
• 32:16
  and have joy in different ways that you never had before.
• 32:19
  And everything is special. Yeah, definitely. Like we can look at like,
• 32:24
  oh, that lump that I just felt when I got out of the shower or that pathology report or whatever,
• 32:29
  you know, you finding out autoimmune, like you can look at it like the sky is
• 32:33
  falling and this is insurmountable.
• 32:36
  Or you can look at it like this was just a nudge from my body,
• 32:39
  from God to make the changes.
• 32:41
  It's an indicator light like, okay, let's focus. Let's focus on your health
• 32:45
  a little more. Let's focus on this trauma.
• 32:47
  That really is kind of a wake-up call and a good way to start implementing change
• 32:52
  so that you can live long and prosper, right? And be healthy,
• 32:56
  healthier than you were before.
• 32:58
  Yeah, because if you change, it will have been a gift from God to actually change
• 33:04
  the way you eat, to change your lifestyle, to get into shape,
• 33:07
  to eat healthier, to cut out processed food, all that stuff.
• 33:10
  You might live 30 or 40 years longer than you would have. Exactly.
• 33:15
  And we look at some of these health challenges. It's not a death sentence.
• 33:19
  And I think some of it has to do with the doctors.
• 33:22
  They have really bad bedside manners when they go and tell you 50% of the time
• 33:26
  you're going to get cancer again because it's not a death sentence.
• 33:29
  Anything they tell you is their opinion.
• 33:32
  And they may give you stats, but that doesn't mean you're a statistic.
• 33:36
  All right. So you get to choose how you address life.
• 33:40
  You get to choose what your perspective is on life. And I think perspective
• 33:44
  is 90% of success in your mindset. If you can keep a healthy,
• 33:49
  happy mindset, it makes all the difference. It really does.
• 33:53
  So what I've been doing with you now as a treatment for the second occurrence?
• 33:59
  Well, I'm still doing all of my protocols that I've figured out,
• 34:03
  you know, over this last 19 months of, you know, diving deep and all the stuff
• 34:08
  I learned at Hope for Cancer.
• 34:09
  So I'm definitely still working on detoxing and keeping my gut biome health healthy.
• 34:14
  I did things like mistletoe injections, which really boost your immune system.
• 34:19
  Like there's a ton of things I do. But then I'm also going to be incorporating
• 34:22
  a CDK4-6 medication called Ibrantz, and it's something I take at home for two
• 34:26
  weeks, and then I take a week off, and I take it for two weeks, and I take a week off.
• 34:30
  And we're going to see how that does and if that can push back some of this
• 34:35
  activity in my lymph nodes, and sometimes it does.
• 34:37
  So baby steps one day at a time, and while I'm doing that, I'm just going to
• 34:41
  keep trying to nurture my body, give it what it needs so it can continue to
• 34:45
  try to help me heal. Yeah, hormones are a big part.
• 34:48
  Is that going to increase your testosterone so you'll get more muscular?
• 34:51
  You could start lifting weights because you have less estrogen,
• 34:54
  your testosterone takes over? You know, I don't know if that happens.
• 34:58
  I'm on tamoxifen right now and it's plummeted. It's jammed me into menopause,
• 35:02
  you know, in terms of the amount of estrogen I have.
• 35:06
  And it's not fun. Like your skin ages and your hair gets thinner and it's not fun.
• 35:12
  Brain fog, stuff like that. But it's cutting off a fuel that my cancer loves.
• 35:17
  I was 90% estrogen receptor positive, which means I had a lot of estrogen receptors
• 35:22
  on my cancer cells. So to cut that off is important.
• 35:25
  They even told me that at Hope for Cancer, he's like, you really need to be on tamoxifen.
• 35:29
  And, you know, they're kind of a more integrative natural place,
• 35:32
  but they still told me to be on tamoxifen.
• 35:33
  So I really am a mixture of the two. And there may become a time where I have
• 35:38
  to jump into chemotherapy.
• 35:39
  And I'm just trusting the Lord to kind of lead me to where he wants me to go.
• 35:43
  And in the process, I'm trusting him and just trying to hear him,
• 35:46
  you know, which he speaks to us.
• 35:47
  He speaks to us all the time and he wants us to be healthy. He wants to lead us into health.
• 35:52
  So right now, there's no chemotherapy at all for you. She's not done chemotherapy
• 35:56
  at all. I haven't done chemotherapy. Or radiation.
• 36:00
  My oncologist, which I feel, you know, I'm in a better place to do chemo now
• 36:04
  than I would have been back then.
• 36:06
  Right at diagnosis, I had a lot of things that were not strong enough.
• 36:11
  But yeah, there was a lot of things that weren't optimal. And I feel like a
• 36:14
  lot of things are optimized right now.
• 36:16
  If I do need to do it, I think my body would handle it better than it would
• 36:19
  have been back then. So I'm open.
• 36:23
  I'm open. I'm not closed off to anything, really.
• 36:27
  But I do want to listen for the Lord to guide me into it. I think part of the
• 36:31
  problem is, too, that the quality of life goes down with chemo.
• 36:35
  And if you can avoid it and find other ways and alternatives.
• 36:39
  I do like the fact that you took the initiative and got it cut out.
• 36:43
  That way, your body doesn't have to do extra work.
• 36:46
  And then you went to hope for cancer, which is huge.
• 36:49
  I mean, all the natural foods. How do you use food? And have you changed your
• 36:53
  diet since you got cancer?
• 36:54
  Do you use food as, like, medicine? I have changed my diet.
• 36:57
  Prior to, I was pretty much a keto girl, and I have a lot of doubts about keto now.
• 37:03
  Doing keto for off and on, probably more on than off for five or six years prior
• 37:08
  to diagnosis, and it wasn't enough to keep me from getting cancer.
• 37:11
  I really am like Garden of Eden girl where God made all these fruits and vegetables
• 37:16
  and that's what I dove into.
• 37:18
  There's just so many phytochemicals and phytocompounds in fruits and vegetables
• 37:22
  that literally are cancer killers, cancer fighters.
• 37:26
  So when you're so scared to eat a little bit of fruit, you're cutting yourself
• 37:30
  off from so many different compounds that can help you fight cancer.
• 37:34
  I mean, I think you could be strategic about it, but
• 37:36
  I just feel like they all are truly medicine. So I try to like really OD on
• 37:41
  fruits and vegetables now and beans and nuts and seeds, you know,
• 37:44
  things that grow from the earth.
• 37:45
  You ever do juicing or do you just eat the fruits? I do stages of juicing and
• 37:50
  I may go back into a harder routine of it, you know, a little more aggressively.
• 37:55
  But I do love, love, love, love green juice.
• 37:57
  And so not a ton of sugar, maybe a half a green apple, but just a ton of, you know,
• 38:02
  ginger and cucumbers and celery and kale
• 38:05
  and parsley and it's in lime and
• 38:08
  it's delicious it really is good and you're just kind of
• 38:11
  like mainlining on on these compounds that are so
• 38:13
  so good for you so i found it interesting you talked about the liver flukes
• 38:18
  and how the liver was kind of tied to your cancer i know a lot of people that
• 38:22
  have cancer also have liver problems yeah or liver problems can lead to cancer
• 38:26
  i i'm realizing the importance of the liver and hope for cancer taught me how
• 38:30
  to do coffee enemas which really is a liver cleanse.
• 38:33
  Okay. So a coffee enema, for those of you that don't know, a coffee enema is
• 38:37
  where you make a pot of coffee, you let it cool down.
• 38:40
  That's very important. And then you put it in an enema bag and you stick it up your bone. Every day.
• 38:45
  Every day. And in fact, at a lot of places when you have cancer,
• 38:48
  they'll go up, what, six times a day, up to six times a day? Yeah.
• 38:51
  Coffee enemas, depending if you're worried about your cancer.
• 38:53
  What it does is coffee helps the liver, it decreases toxins.
• 38:59
  You got to hold it as long as you can. I know this because I've done them too. I know.
• 39:05
  We're both fans. We're both fans of Coffee Animas. It makes it so that if you
• 39:09
  have difficulty detoxing, it will assist with the detoxification.
• 39:13
  It also helps dump toxic bile. So if you've got toxic bile, it helps get rid of that.
• 39:18
  And it just cleans out. It cleans out not just in your colon, but also your liver.
• 39:23
  There's been different doctors over the years that have really recommended coffee enemas.
• 39:28
  It's not a cure for cancer, but it's something that assists,
• 39:31
  kind of like extra vitamin C or oxygen.
• 39:33
  It's just a modality that helps.
• 39:36
  And I've been doing them for, I guess, almost a decade now. Yeah.
• 39:40
  Yeah, you're a long-term lover. I've been doing them for 19 months.
• 39:44
  But one of the main reasons it works is you've got palmitic acid that's in the
• 39:48
  coffee and it hits up your portal vein that's running behind your intestine.
• 39:53
  And then it mainlines the palmitic acid straight into your liver.
• 39:56
  And then your liver starts making glutathione, which is the exception to the rule.
• 40:01
  When your own body's making it, that's okay in cancer. You just don't want to
• 40:04
  be adding external glutathione.
• 40:06
  But your liver will start to make it. It says it makes up to 600 times more
• 40:10
  glutathione while you're doing the coffee enema.
• 40:12
  And in that 15 minutes you're laying on the bathroom floor, your blood circulates
• 40:16
  at least five times through your liver.
• 40:18
  Every drop of blood goes through your liver at least five times during that
• 40:22
  15 minutes, and it's literally purifying your blood.
• 40:24
  The glutathione is being made, the bile is being made, flushing your liver.
• 40:28
  And it's super good for estrogen-driven breast cancer because it helps to offload
• 40:33
  toxic estrogen, excess estrogen that can get recycled through your intestine.
• 40:37
  It can just get recycled back in and all this estrogen versus being completely offloaded as it should.
• 40:43
  So that's been a big thing for me with coffee enemas is estrogen.
• 40:48
  Yeah, you have to make sure that the coffee is mold free.
• 40:51
  And that because one of the things is a lot of coffees have mold and you don't
• 40:55
  want to introduce mold into your coffee enemas because that just puts a toxic load on your liver.
• 41:01
  As far as filtering, there's a new procedure. Well, it's not new.
• 41:04
  It's been around for a little bit. It's called EBU.
• 41:06
  And I think you had that at Hope for Cancer, right? Where they filtered your blood.
• 41:11
  Yeah. Yeah. So they take your blood out. They filter it. They put ozone and
• 41:14
  oxygen into it. They oxygenate it and then they stick it back in.
• 41:17
  That's something that's new. Did you guys do, did you ever do methylene blue?
• 41:21
  Yeah, I've done methyl. It's supposed to really help the mitochondrial health
• 41:26
  of cancer cells and help them just to start function normally again.
• 41:31
  And I think you can get crazy with methylene blue, but I think using moderate
• 41:36
  amounts, it can be a good protocol.
• 41:39
  There's actually a few studies that are starting to show that methylene blue
• 41:42
  also is cytotoxic and it can kill cancer cells. So there's several reasons to use it.
• 41:48
  I've done it in an IV. They actually have a place I go to here that has it in an IV.
• 41:51
  Because it also helps detoxify the liver. So it's funny how many similarities
• 41:57
  there are between liver issues and autoimmunes and cancer. There's a lot of similarities.
• 42:03
  So you can look, when you do your research on this stuff, you can find a lot
• 42:07
  of the supplements are across the board.
• 42:09
  It'll help prevent cancer. It helps prevent autoimmunes, et cetera.
• 42:13
  Yeah. And I mean, all of those, those are just forms of our body calling out for help.
• 42:18
  And these general pillars of health and wellbeing work for all of it.
• 42:22
  So it really is important to kind of start working on all those different areas,
• 42:26
  boosting your immune system, dealing with detoxification, all of the things.
• 42:31
  It just, it's going to help no matter where you're at and pre-cancer and pre-auto.
• 42:35
  It's preventative and it's curative. One of the big things as well is the binders
• 42:39
  you talked about earlier.
• 42:41
  I think a lot of times we will fast and or calorie restrict and we'll take things
• 42:47
  that you release the toxins out of our blood and then we don't bind it in order to get rid of it.
• 42:52
  And binders, whether it's activated charcoal, spirulina, chlorella,
• 42:57
  there's like five or six different major binders.
• 43:00
  You need to take those on a daily basis.
• 43:02
  And a lot of people don't realize that we're so toxic just from the food most
• 43:06
  people eat and the environment and the pollution that the binders will help
• 43:10
  get rid of some of that stuff.
• 43:13
  And all of these, you definitely want to deep dive like
• 43:15
  don't just go and willy-nilly try a coffee enema yeah
• 43:19
  join facebook coffee enema support group and read their
• 43:22
  protocol before you do it same thing with binders like
• 43:24
  you don't want to take your supplements and then take a binder because it's just going
• 43:27
  to bind to your supplements like timing is important all of
• 43:30
  these things you need a little bit of a deep dive before before you
• 43:33
  do it because if you do it wrong it can help hurt
• 43:36
  more than it helps right yeah that's the big thing is the timing matters
• 43:39
  like binders should probably do the last thing
• 43:42
  you do at night and the timing matters when
• 43:45
  you take stuff so some people just go take a handful of supplements
• 43:48
  and some of them interact and then they have more problems yeah you definitely
• 43:53
  need to do some research on some of this stuff but yeah a little bit about how
• 43:58
  the emotional impact after you got your breasts removed if there was emotional
• 44:02
  impacts i know a lot of women go through that yeah i was shocked to learn that.
• 44:08
  Women who have mastectomies, almost 50% don't reconstruct.
• 44:12
  There's a lot of flatties out there. I've seen a couple of women who are flat
• 44:16
  at the beach here in Maui that just don't wear a top, and they just have their
• 44:20
  bikini bottoms on, and they're like, I don't have boobs, so why do I need to wear a top?
• 44:24
  And I'm always like, go girl, that's so awesome, you know, and it's true.
• 44:28
  But no, major, it's a major process of mentally healing from having body parts
• 44:34
  removed, you know, especially external body parts that you can see.
• 44:37
  I have made a lot of peace with it. Not to say I don't ever daydream about one
• 44:43
  day getting surgery. I really want to do the one where they take your gut fat,
• 44:46
  your gut roll, and they turn it into boobs.
• 44:48
  It's a really hard surgery, though. It takes six weeks to recover.
• 44:52
  So I would not even attempt that till I'm well into, you know, no evidence of disease.
• 44:56
  But I've also made a lot of peace with being flat.
• 44:59
  There's so many like these are styrofoam there's so
• 45:03
  many yeah there's so many ways just to feel
• 45:06
  like you used to feel I get I'm totally comfortable
• 45:09
  not wearing that you know when I'm home with my husband Alan you know I'm just
• 45:13
  and he you know he just loves me as I am and our sex life is great even with
• 45:17
  no boobs and you know like we've we've worked through all that but sometimes
• 45:21
  you just miss the the female shape that you used to have the other thing that
• 45:24
  happens it's called Winnie the Pooh belly.
• 45:27
  So it's like once you don't have your boobs anymore, your belly looks like it's
• 45:30
  sticking out even further because you don't have that counterbalance.
• 45:33
  So a lot of breast cancer women are like, I hate my Winnie the Pooh belly.
• 45:37
  And I definitely can see it more now that I don't have my DDs to balance me out.
• 45:43
  But I've made peace with it. It's just like you get to the point where you're
• 45:46
  like, I'm just happy to be alive.
• 45:48
  You know, I'm able to be alive. It's okay if I don't have boobs.
• 45:52
  When I get to heaven, I'll get new boobs.
• 45:53
  If I don't get them here on earth, I'll get them and I'll get them in, you know, in eternity.
• 45:58
  I know it's different for every woman, but I think that's really how I feel.
• 46:02
  And I'm grateful to be alive. I'm grateful to still be fighting.
• 46:05
  I'm grateful that it was a way to remove a five centimeter tumor.
• 46:10
  I'm grateful right now that I still haven't had chemo and radiation.
• 46:13
  And if I need it, it's there for me in the future.
• 46:15
  That was part of that process of trying to avoid chemo and radiation was going for the mastectomy.
• 46:20
  And it's just part of the journey and you just learn to accept.
• 46:23
  You find the silver linings. I do look better in certain clothes now that I
• 46:27
  couldn't have pulled off before.
• 46:28
  I think I look a little more slim in general, not having the big chi-chis I
• 46:33
  had. Like, I just look a little skinnier.
• 46:36
  So there's little things you notice that you're like, okay, I'll take that.
• 46:40
  Yeah. So I'm sure you had to go through...
• 46:43
  A point where you felt like you were breaking and damaged and your mindset was at a low point.
• 46:49
  And if you could kind of talk about how you shifted into more of a positive
• 46:54
  mindset because you needed to and if your strong faith helped you grow in a
• 46:59
  way that kept your mindset focused on what you were doing and uplifted.
• 47:03
  Yeah, probably after that pathology came back that said everything's much worse
• 47:08
  than we expected, we need to do a second double mastectomy and take everything out.
• 47:12
  My husband and I were both at probably a real low, and there's been more than
• 47:16
  one, but that one in particular, I remember I was praying,
• 47:20
  and I used the Bible app, and you can kind of type in your prayers,
• 47:24
  and I was kind of ranting at God, and I was like, Lord, why are you doing this to me?
• 47:29
  Just like a real woe is me moment, which I believe God likes us to take that
• 47:33
  to Him. There's a whole book in the Bible called Lamentations about lamenting to God.
• 47:37
  And he appreciates our honesty and that we can be that real with him when we're in such a low spot.
• 47:43
  And I was ranting. I was venting. I was mad. And I'm not joking.
• 47:47
  I set my phone down. And like within 15 minutes, I was just laying in bed. I had a vision.
• 47:52
  And it was a vision of me walking through this beautiful corridor with big arch
• 47:58
  ceilings and all of these flowers and the smell of flowers. It was so real.
• 48:02
  And the next thing I knew, I came up to what was this beautiful stairway.
• 48:06
  And then I could see as I was walking up, I was wearing a beautiful dress.
• 48:10
  It was dragging behind me as I walked up the stairs. And then when I got up
• 48:14
  there, I could see something like the throne of God, rainbow around it.
• 48:19
  Just so gorgeous. And I just kind of bowed down and I felt Jesus come and just touch my head.
• 48:26
  And I felt him say, you are healed.
• 48:28
  And then he kind of lifted me up and I kind of flew into the stars and sky and
• 48:35
  there were angels worshiping.
• 48:36
  And I heard him say, which is a Bible verse, humble yourself in the sight of
• 48:40
  the Lord and in time he shall lift you up.
• 48:42
  And when I was done, I was just worshiping God.
• 48:45
  When I woke up, I was like, I wasn't really asleep. It was a vision.
• 48:48
  It just impressed on me that this is for a time. I'm being humbled for a time.
• 48:52
  But that's not the end of the story.
• 48:54
  In time, he will lift me up. And I just was so shocked that he responded so
• 48:59
  quickly to that desperate prayer, that desperate, angry prayer that I vulnerably
• 49:05
  gave him. And then he gave me that.
• 49:08
  And so I remember that. I just got goosebumps. That was amazing.
• 49:12
  Yeah, it was so. Wow. Oh, so even when right now, when they're saying,
• 49:16
  no, you've got more activity, I'm still clinging to that.
• 49:19
  Like, humble yourself in the sight of the Lord, and in time,
• 49:21
  He will lift you up. Like, this isn't the end of my story.
• 49:23
  And I just feel like it's been such a faith walk, which I've had plenty of things
• 49:28
  to walk through before that are challenging.
• 49:30
  And He's always been so faithful, but this is definitely the hardest one.
• 49:33
  This has been the hardest one.
• 49:35
  But in it, it's just, you know, it's just kind of like, it's forcing surrender.
• 49:41
  It's forcing me just to trust Him fully. Thank you.
• 49:44
  Which I've always trusted him. But okay, so what is faith if you don't trust
• 49:48
  him in the hardest times? We only trust God when everything's good.
• 49:51
  When it gets hard, we don't trust him. Is that faith? No. No.
• 49:55
  So I just feel like- He's there in the hardest times too. Whenever it's really
• 49:58
  bad, he's always there caring too.
• 50:01
  So do you feel like you're getting called to do something more now with all
• 50:06
  of this journey that you've gone on to help other people?
• 50:09
  You know, I've felt it off and on.
• 50:11
  I feel like right now I'm still in a learning phase to be perfectly honest,
• 50:15
  where God's still revealing things to me and changing my views on what healing is according to Him.
• 50:21
  And I don't think that part of the story is over yet. I'm always,
• 50:24
  always, someone's DMing me, so-and-so just got cancer.
• 50:27
  What do you think I should do? I'm always talking to people about cancer in
• 50:30
  different ways, which I love to be able to do to point people in the right direction to give them hope.
• 50:34
  Because it is so, when you get diagnosed, it's such a, like,
• 50:38
  just, you know, punch in the gut and you just don't even know where to start.
• 50:41
  So I love being able to do that. I don't know if I'll ever step into some kind
• 50:47
  of natural health rule or not.
• 50:48
  But the thing that I've really been motivated to do when you're looking at your
• 50:52
  own mortality and like, how long do I have, Lord?
• 50:55
  I mean, I could, as they say, get hit by a bus tomorrow, but I could also die from cancer in a year.
• 51:01
  So you're forced to look at it, like, how much time do I have?
• 51:04
  The thing that I've really felt strongly about is talking about Jesus.
• 51:09
  And the fact that we're eternal beings and that this life that we know it,
• 51:14
  whether it's, you know, 40 years, 60 years, 80 years, 100 years,
• 51:18
  it is not the main event. The main event is eternity.
• 51:22
  You know, this part's going to be a blip, but I think we get so fixated on all
• 51:26
  the little things, you know, all the trauma, all of the, you know,
• 51:31
  there's so much striving in this life for things that really don't last.
• 51:34
  And so I just have really felt called to focus more on talking about Jesus,
• 51:39
  talking about eternity, talking about shifting from a.
• 51:43
  You know, this earthly perspective to a more eternal perspective.
• 51:46
  Because I only have a certain number of days here. We need to think about what happens after.
• 51:51
  And I think we, when you really think about it, I think we can all tell our souls go on.
• 51:56
  Like when my brother passed away, I went and saw him in the mortuary and I did
• 52:00
  not want to see him because I was just so scared.
• 52:03
  And when I looked at him, I got happy because what I saw was everything that made Joey,
• 52:09
  joey had left the building and the
• 52:13
  shell and it was so clear to me that the
• 52:16
  essence of joey had flown and was somewhere else and
• 52:19
  that was just like his shell and i don't know why it hit me so hard but i'm
• 52:22
  like he's okay he's somewhere else and at that time i threw myself into reading
• 52:26
  about eternity and heaven and near-death experiences and heaven became a really
• 52:30
  real place for me losing my brother but now even more so as i look at my own
• 52:34
  mortality it's just like like i said this isn't the main event.
• 52:37
  It matters, but eternity matters more.
• 52:40
  And learning to have a relationship with your Creator is much more important.
• 52:44
  So one of the things I did last year, even though I was only nine months out
• 52:49
  of diagnosis, is I started teaching a women's Bible study.
• 52:52
  And it was a year long, a whole year, every single week on the book of Revelation
• 52:57
  of all things. But it was a deep dive, and I loved it so much, leading the group.
• 53:02
  And just like spending time with other people that just.
• 53:07
  You know, want to study God's word. And so that's just become a priority for
• 53:11
  me in the light of a cancer diagnosis, kind of a shift from the temporary to the eternal.
• 53:17
  And I don't think that's going to go away. I think it's going to be a lasting change with me.
• 53:20
  It's a journey that's leading you down a path that's probably going to make
• 53:24
  you a happier person long term.
• 53:25
  And did you did you join any support groups as well? Are you helping out in any of those?
• 53:30
  I've just met people on the cancer journey that have become supports.
• 53:33
  I've met a lot of people at Hope for Cancer that i'm still
• 53:36
  in touch with i'm in a lot of facebook support groups you
• 53:40
  know but i haven't ever joined an actual tangible
• 53:43
  group but there's so much there is so much available online now
• 53:46
  where you you feel like you're surrounded that was one of the things like when
• 53:49
  you first get diagnosed you're like why me why me lord and then you realize
• 53:53
  you're not the only one going through this you know they're saying now that
• 53:58
  one third of women will be diagnosed with cancer and one half of men will be
• 54:02
  diagnosed with cancer in their lifetime.
• 54:04
  So this is a common thing and you're not alone and it helps you.
• 54:08
  It helps you make peace with it.
• 54:10
  You get out of the victim mentality when you talk to other people that are walking
• 54:15
  the path and sometimes harder paths than you are.
• 54:18
  So yesterday I was just reading a couple of posts and just women that have like cancer.
• 54:24
  Their breast cancer spread to every bone in their body and they can't even
• 54:27
  like get up and walk or people snapping bones because of the breast cancer invading
• 54:32
  their femur and you just kind of weep and I spend a lot of time just praying
• 54:37
  for these people because it is a hard journey and it just helps for me to not
• 54:43
  be too victim mentality for myself.
• 54:45
  Does it help surrounding yourself with positive mindset people as well?
• 54:50
  Because I know sometimes if you dive too deep into the darkness,
• 54:53
  the pain that you get stuck there.
• 54:56
  So does that help as well? Yes. And there's a balance there.
• 55:00
  You can get that help for the victim mentality by seeing people that are struggling
• 55:05
  more than you are right at that moment.
• 55:08
  But I think there's a lot to be said for surrounding yourself by people who
• 55:11
  are survivors who have overcome that are 20 years, 30 years,
• 55:14
  40 years down the road post-cancer.
• 55:16
  And just realizing that that can be you too. And like I said,
• 55:20
  there's a thousand ways to heal.
• 55:21
  And I ain't stopped until I find my way to heal. I think that those are super,
• 55:25
  super powerful. And there's some really, really good ones out there.
• 55:28
  There's one called Healing Strong. They don't have one on Maui,
• 55:30
  but it's kind of through Chris Beat Cancer.
• 55:33
  And they're all over. And you can just find one in your area called Healing Strong.
• 55:36
  And they meet together and they just, it's a little more natural type healing,
• 55:40
  open to anything, integrative.
• 55:42
  But it's that camaraderie, the faith, the survivor stories, you know,
• 55:46
  all that kind of thing. That's a really good resource for anyone in America.
• 55:50
  You find yourself going to the beach more often because you live in Maui.
• 55:54
  Yeah. You have cancer diagnosis where you go to the beach more often and take
• 55:58
  more meditation time and you time.
• 55:59
  I take a lot of beach walks. I'm like, I'm killing four birds with one stone
• 56:03
  right now. I'm earthy and grounding.
• 56:06
  I'm absorbing negative ions. I'm getting vitamin D. I'm listening to worship
• 56:10
  music. I'm praising God. I'm renewing my mind. I'm exercising.
• 56:14
  The blood is pumping. My lymph is pumping. It's like such a power move when
• 56:18
  you have cancer to go on a barefoot beach walk.
• 56:20
  Which is nice because it's good weather in Maui year-round.
• 56:24
  You can't earth or ground enough. You can't be in nature enough.
• 56:27
  Do it as often as you can. It's so healing. So earthing, for those of you that
• 56:31
  don't know, and grounding is where you go barefoot for 15 minutes to 30 minutes a day.
• 56:36
  And you touch the soil with your feet, no shoes on. And you walk.
• 56:40
  And part of this is it's anti-inflammatory. It's supposed to change the pH makeup
• 56:45
  of your body and your magnetic.
• 56:48
  Your magnetism changes and they've had studies done of
• 56:51
  this when you're actually standing barefoot on the ground rubber shoes
• 56:54
  prevent you from having this humans used to
• 56:57
  walk around barefoot all the time and now we don't and there's
• 57:00
  a lot more cancer now so it's also supposed to be anti-cancerous and
• 57:03
  so a lot of people that don't even have cancer will just
• 57:05
  go outside i do it all the time i just go walk around barefoot people think
• 57:08
  i'm crazy but i go walk around barefoot outside because it
• 57:11
  helps now make sure that you know you're not walking around where there's
• 57:14
  been a lot of dog spoof because then you'll get the parasites right but
• 57:18
  you can walk around outside and it's
• 57:21
  called earthy and grounding there's actually some netflix and amazon movies
• 57:24
  on it i believe some documentaries and it's been helping
• 57:27
  a lot of people and some people i even have an electric a grounding
• 57:30
  blanket and a grounding sheet yeah my my name
• 57:33
  i saw my neighbor does it every morning yeah there's a
• 57:36
  reason for it so and if you can do it in nature where
• 57:39
  there's birds chirping that helps with your stress reduction as
• 57:42
  well so and the fact she's doing it on the beach probably watching the
• 57:45
  whales and the waves come in and watching the
• 57:49
  turtles walk up and walk around and all the beautiful things that
• 57:52
  God's given her so it really really shifts your mentality
• 57:56
  if you were feeling a little blue before getting in nature always just boosts
• 58:00
  you so much it just takes your eyes off of your own problems into like the grandeur
• 58:04
  of the earth and all that God made and his power yeah yeah so going forward
• 58:09
  you said you would be willing to do chemotherapy it is an option.
• 58:13
  But you're not cutting it off.
• 58:15
  But what if you could scan your future and lay out how this goes?
• 58:20
  And what would you do as far as modalities to just keep prevention going?
• 58:25
  Since you're okay now, it sounds like.
• 58:27
  Your last markers were good. Is that right?
• 58:29
  My markers are good right now, but I know I still am having activity in these lymph nodes.
• 58:37
  So they They need to be dealt with. Yeah. Okay. So...
• 58:40
  If you could, what modalities do you like that you think have done the most
• 58:44
  benefit for you and that you could do in the future if you had a choice?
• 58:49
  Yeah, things I find the most powerful, counseling and healing trauma.
• 58:53
  Coffee enemas because it just so helps you detox and heal your gut.
• 58:58
  I think infrared sauna, super powerful because you're literally doing deep detox
• 59:03
  from your organs. Deep in your body, it's being sweated out.
• 59:06
  And that's something that, you know, I went ahead and bought a small infrared
• 59:10
  sauna just so I can do it three or four times a week.
• 59:12
  They say that if you get in a sauna four days a week, you all cause mortality
• 59:16
  drops by like 60%. Like it's just such whether you have cancer or not,
• 59:21
  it's wetting out toxins is really, really powerful.
• 59:23
  I would say the plant-based diet, super powerful. I really, really like high-dose
• 59:28
  vitamin C IVs paired with hyperbaric oxygen chamber.
• 59:32
  You do the high-dose vitamin C.
• 59:34
  I do 40 grams. Some people go up to 100, but 40 does it for me.
• 59:39
  And then right away, I go into the oxygen chamber, and there's a synergistic effect.
• 59:44
  Vitamin C is interesting. When you take vitamin C in low doses,
• 59:47
  it's antioxidant, and that means it's helping with free radicals and stuff,
• 59:51
  dealing with free radicals, which causes disease and aging and stuff.
• 59:54
  But when you go high dose, it becomes pro-oxidant. It switches from antioxidant to pro-oxidant.
• 1:00:00
  And pro-oxidant, it actually starts to like target your cancer cells and it
• 1:00:04
  starts to, it acts almost like a cytotoxic chemo agent in a sense of it actually
• 1:00:10
  starting to put pressure on your cancer cells.
• 1:00:13
  And then when you get in the hyperbaric oxygen chamber right after,
• 1:00:16
  it kind of is pushing the oxygen really deep into your tissue and it's just
• 1:00:20
  putting more pressure on your cancer cells. So that's a really, really good pairing.
• 1:00:24
  I don't know. Those are some of the big ones for me. Mushrooms.
• 1:00:27
  Mushrooms are huge. whatever form you can get it, tincture, fresh mushrooms, powders, whatever.
• 1:00:33
  There's such an immune modulator. They have so many, I don't even think we understand
• 1:00:37
  fully the power of mushrooms, but turkey tail, chaga.
• 1:00:41
  I mean, there's probably eight or 10 really, really anti-cancer mushrooms.
• 1:00:47
  And that's a super good thing to incorporate into your daily life.
• 1:00:50
  You were talking about the hyperbaric chamber.
• 1:00:52
  So there was another research study done where you do the IV,
• 1:00:56
  the high-dose vitamin C IV, then you do the hyperbaric chamber,
• 1:01:01
  but it's when you've been fasting for five days.
• 1:01:03
  And it's supposed to supersize getting rid of cancer cells because what happens
• 1:01:09
  is you're oxidating things and at the same time you've got autophagy going on
• 1:01:13
  and it's getting rid of all the bad stuff and you're just flushing your whole
• 1:01:16
  system out of cancer cells.
• 1:01:18
  So there's a research, I'll have to send it to you, a research done where it's
• 1:01:23
  specifically oxygen chambers and water fasting.
• 1:01:26
  The two of them together hyper make your autophagy even stronger to get rid of cancer cells.
• 1:01:32
  And that sounds like a great protocol to me, too. And I think probably has to
• 1:01:37
  do with starving your cancer cells of glucose, and they're so,
• 1:01:40
  so hungry, and then they're just gobbling up the vitamin C and just doing a number on them.
• 1:01:46
  So, yeah, that sounds like a good one.
• 1:01:48
  I know some people can get a little lightheaded after fasting and IVC.
• 1:01:52
  We just want to watch that, but I think you can find your rhythm on that,
• 1:01:56
  too. I think people don't realize when you're water fasting,
• 1:02:00
  you can still take electrolytes and you can take some supplements still.
• 1:02:03
  And that's important, especially if you're going more than three days.
• 1:02:06
  And if even in day one or two, if you're getting a headache and you're feeling
• 1:02:09
  lightheaded, you need electrolytes.
• 1:02:11
  And that can be monitored as well. You can monitor it with a doctor or you can
• 1:02:15
  just monitor it. How do I feel?
• 1:02:16
  Do I think I need electrolytes? And there's fasting salts and fasting electrolytes
• 1:02:21
  to help with the process. And
• 1:02:22
  that's crucial because you can't go the 40 days like I did on just water.
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  You have to have electrolytes and supplements as well.
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  So you have, there's, there's also True North and they are a company in California
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  and they do prolonged fasting up to 40 days and it's medically supervised.
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  So you go there and you stay there and it's actually very affordable.
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  They will do 40-day water fasting. That can help, too.
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  Oh, it's done wonderful. Thanks for you. So you're a great poster girl for water fasting.
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  And I won't be surprised if I go down more of that road than I have so far as I go down this road.
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  It's just so anti-inflammatory and cancer and autoimmune are inflammatory.
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  That's also why the high dose vitamin C works because it's anti-inflammatory.
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  So you're totally switched to plant-based diet right now? You eat protein though still, right?
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  I eat small amounts of protein. I have changed a lot from every meal,
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  I have a big piece of meat and then a little bit of vegetables.
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  Now my plate is mostly vegetables and a tiny bit of meat.
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  I just have switched my ratios massively. Every time I eat, I involve fruits
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  or vegetables, whether it's a snack or a meal.
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  So, yes, I might have. I love to do. I chop up every vegetable I have in my
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  fridge, and tons of broccoli.
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  Cruciferous are so powerful for cancer. And then I'll saute them really quick,
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  and then I'll crack one egg and kind of stir-fry it.
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  So there's a little protein in there, but it's mostly just plants,
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  fiber, phytochemicals, and a little bit of protein.
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  And it's one of my favorite. I don't know if we say protein.
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  We were saying protein, but broccoli's got a lot of protein. It does.
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  Vegetables have a lot of protein. They're full of amino acids,
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  all the amino acids that convert into protein in your body.
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  We're definitely fed this thing that we need so much protein,
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  you know, in the form of meat and eggs and things like that.
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  Vegetables will do it too. Are there any herbs that you're on that might be
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  helpful as well? I take a lot of herbal compounds.
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  I think astragalus is a super great one for boosting your own immune system, immune modulation.
• 1:04:28
  I do something, I think I told you about this one time, we were talking about
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  herbal baths, and I bought all these loose powdered herbs that are anti-cancer,
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  and I would do baths at night.
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  I'm on a little lull right now, but I will be going back to them.
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  But just, you know, your skin is your biggest organ and just having,
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  being in this bath with these herbs and they just absorb through your skin, literally.
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  So, yes, I think herbs. I think I bought like 30 of them.
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  Have you done it? I have, multiple times. I don't do it regularly because it's
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  such a chore to clean my bath still faster.
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  I've got all kinds. And I did, I think the turmeric is the biggest stainer.
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  So, you have to really be careful when you need it.
• 1:05:06
  Yeah, yeah. I've stayed away from the ones that have color. And I use the ones
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  that are really finely powdered so that they just go right down the drain.
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  I just squirt out my bathtub.
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  But yeah, after a while, you do need to kind of scrub it. But I love that one.
• 1:05:18
  I've got them. And so I probably do a bath like that once a week.
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  But I probably should be doing it three or four times. But I will say it helps with inflammation.
• 1:05:25
  And it does feel like it helps detox me a little bit. And I play around with
• 1:05:30
  them because I got like 30 different kinds.
• 1:05:32
  So it depends on what symptoms I'm having. I kind of treat the symptoms with
• 1:05:35
  the herbs in the bath instead of... Because I don't take pharmaceuticals at all.
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  So for me, it's like, it's the best treatment.
• 1:05:42
  It's taking a package and whatever works. They're so powerful.
• 1:05:46
  Wolfie thing coming out, the mushroom coffee. No, there's been mushroom coffee
• 1:05:50
  out, but it's a different kind of mushroom. It's more for...
• 1:05:53
  People get their caffeine fix. But yeah, a lot of people switch to the mushroom
• 1:05:56
  coffee instead of regular coffee. But you wouldn't want to be sticking that up your bum.
• 1:06:00
  I think that regular coffee is what we're looking for when we talk about the coffee enemas.
• 1:06:05
  Yes, but mushroom coffee is awesome. I do a mushroom matcha that I just love
• 1:06:09
  from that same Rise company.
• 1:06:11
  There's just so many things that are at our disposal now, but it can get expensive.
• 1:06:15
  And so you got to pick those.
• 1:06:17
  You know, when you're by answer long term, it can get expensive.
• 1:06:21
  And so then you start picking the ones that are the most powerful,
• 1:06:24
  the biggest bang for your buck.
• 1:06:25
  A really good one for cancer is buffered aspirin. I just got 365 pills and two
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  of them for $3.99 at Costco.
• 1:06:34
  And that will last me two years of taking one baby aspirin a night.
• 1:06:37
  And baby aspirin is such a metastasis blocker in cancer.
• 1:06:43
  It's clinically proven, clinically proven. So like there are things that just
• 1:06:47
  are super cheap and easy to do, you know, when you're finding yourself trying
• 1:06:52
  to do every protocol under the sun and it's getting expensive,
• 1:06:55
  you know. I think sometimes we do too much too.
• 1:06:57
  Yeah. Especially when you're first starting, you want to do it all. Yeah.
• 1:07:02
  And you spend a lot of money.
• 1:07:05
  And the insurance doesn't pay for any of this natural healing things.
• 1:07:09
  Like I'm doing acupuncture too now, and acupuncture is amazing.
• 1:07:12
  I'm sure hope of cancer, the insurance. No, so take cash for that.
• 1:07:16
  You had to pay out of your pocket, correct? Thank you.
• 1:07:18
  Fortunate that we can't get these types of therapies covered by insurance in America.
• 1:07:23
  You know, it is just your standard chemo radiation and surgery and maybe what's
• 1:07:29
  the other one? Immuno, I'm blanking on the name.
• 1:07:32
  Well, right now they don't even, they don't want to pay for these IV therapies.
• 1:07:35
  Sure, no, insurance doesn't pay for IV-Cent. They don't pay for red light.
• 1:07:39
  They don't pay for... It's not the path. It's definitely not the cheap path.
• 1:07:43
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's not the easy path either. It's not like this is such
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  an easier path than doing chemo and radiation.
• 1:07:49
  I don't think chemo and radiation is an easy path. Not easy. No, no, neither.
• 1:07:53
  Totally, no. I know a lot of people have done chemo and radiation and they don't last.
• 1:07:58
  So chemo and radiation is not
• 1:08:00
  the easy path. It's the easy choice because somebody's doing it to you.
• 1:08:05
  And with the alternative, you have
• 1:08:06
  to take the bull by the horns and take control of your own health care.
• 1:08:11
  Yeah, that's more what I'm talking about, right? Yeah.
• 1:08:14
  I mean, we have to be our own biggest advocate because the doctors are there,
• 1:08:18
  but the doctors have their idea of what's right.
• 1:08:21
  And you really have to go inside. I think as women, we can rely on our intuition
• 1:08:26
  to really figure out what works for us.
• 1:08:29
  And if it feels good, I say, go for it. And if it doesn't, then don't.
• 1:08:34
  And you've got to listen to your inner voice because I think God's whispering to you from the inside.
• 1:08:39
  He does. Listen to your inner voice, too.
• 1:08:42
  We're spirit, and God communicates via our spirit.
• 1:08:45
  And so I think a lot of the idea of intuition is actually that connection to
• 1:08:49
  God whispering to us, directing us, making us feel a certain way.
• 1:08:53
  And there's a lot to be said, you know, just for tuning into that voice.
• 1:08:58
  Yeah, I agree. But people are scared to do that.
• 1:09:02
  Some people don't hear their inner voice very well, and they want the expert to tell them what to do.
• 1:09:08
  One thing I have learned is that people, either they're conventionally minded,
• 1:09:12
  a lot of trust in doctors, or they're a little distrusting of doctors,
• 1:09:16
  but you really can't force anyone to change their views on it, you know?
• 1:09:21
  So someone who really is like, no, I trust my doctor, I'm doing chemo,
• 1:09:24
  I'm doing radiation, you're not gonna talk them into, most likely,
• 1:09:29
  you're not gonna talk them into abandoning that and them feel comfortable.
• 1:09:32
  You have to honor where people are in the journey. And that's why I still,
• 1:09:36
  God can heal through chemo and radiation.
• 1:09:38
  He can heal through any modality.
• 1:09:41
  So I don't like to put too much pressure on people like, you're making the wrong
• 1:09:46
  choice. Well, maybe you're not.
• 1:09:48
  God's wired you a certain way and he can move through that way for healing.
• 1:09:52
  You know, even if it's not the way I would do it, God can do it.
• 1:09:55
  If you could give people a message of hope, something that they could rely on
• 1:10:01
  to say, hey, she did it so I can do it too, or this is an approach to listen
• 1:10:06
  to your voice, what would it be as far as going forward?
• 1:10:10
  Because I know you've come through, you've bottomed out, came from a really
• 1:10:14
  low place and you came back strong.
• 1:10:16
  What would you recommend to
• 1:10:17
  people that are going through this and they're just, they're struggling?
• 1:10:19
  And just, you know, it's what I was talking about is just grab on to God.
• 1:10:24
  He's there for us. So when I look at Jesus and what he went through.
• 1:10:28
  Okay, he knows suffering, right?
• 1:10:31
  He came to this earth. He had a mission, but it was a hard mission,
• 1:10:35
  and it ended in brutality in his own death.
• 1:10:38
  He understands our suffering. He also said, in this world, you will have trouble,
• 1:10:42
  but take heart. I've overcome the world. He understands the human condition.
• 1:10:45
  He understands planet Earth. He understands trial and tribulation.
• 1:10:49
  If you live on this earth, you're going to experience suffering at some point, right?
• 1:10:53
  You're going to. Whether you're a believer or not, whether you believe there's
• 1:10:57
  a God, whether you believe there's Jesus, we're all going to experience trials
• 1:11:00
  and tribulation, right?
• 1:11:02
  Suffering, gut-wrenching things, all the Ds, death, divorce,
• 1:11:05
  destruction. We all experience it. I'd rather experience it holding on to...
• 1:11:11
  Jesus' hand. And the verse that's really gotten me through is Psalm 16, 8.
• 1:11:16
  And it says, I keep my eyes always on the Lord.
• 1:11:19
  With Him at my right hand, I will not be shaken. And I've probably said it a
• 1:11:23
  thousand times out loud in the last almost two years.
• 1:11:26
  And it's just this idea that, okay, they're shaking going around on around me,
• 1:11:31
  but I'm holding His hand, my eyes are on Him, and He's going to sustain me through it.
• 1:11:35
  He's going to be with me every second. He understands my suffering,
• 1:11:38
  you know, and this world, you will have trouble.
• 1:11:41
  And I would, I'd rather go through that trouble with him. That's amazing.
• 1:11:44
  That's beautiful. I love that.
• 1:11:47
  That's such a nice message. You have gone through so much and you've endured
• 1:11:52
  and you're one of my heroes.
• 1:11:56
  It's true. I love how when I was going through challenges myself,
• 1:12:00
  you were there for me too. And you were going through it pretty deep and you
• 1:12:05
  still helped support other people and you're a hero.
• 1:12:08
  And so I love you for that. And I just think you're such a miraculous,
• 1:12:12
  special person. And I know it's all going to work out for the best.
• 1:12:16
  And I just, I feel like you have such a good, a big calling, honey.
• 1:12:20
  I don't know what it is. I'm not saying I can predict the future or anything, but I do.
• 1:12:24
  I do wish you the absolute best and all the blessings and all my prayers are for you and with you.
• 1:12:30
  Well, hopefully I can come back on next year and I'll be like,
• 1:12:33
  I'm no evidence of disease again. I'm no state.
• 1:12:36
  But I have full faith that whatever may come, the Lord's going to be there with
• 1:12:41
  me. He's really done a good job of just keeping me in peace.
• 1:12:44
  And I would wish that for every single person that's walking through a cancer
• 1:12:47
  journey or some other health journey where they just feel that peace. Yeah. Yes.
• 1:12:51
  Yeah. Well, I think we've covered it all today. That was a lot.
• 1:12:54
  That was a lot. We got through everything, didn't we?
• 1:12:57
  Yeah, I think this is going to help a lot of people who are going through right
• 1:13:00
  now. This is going to help a lot of people and there's always hope.
• 1:13:03
  There's always hope. That's it.
• 1:13:04
  Right here, we got hope on the other screen. Diva Jo is our hope. That's right.
• 1:13:08
  So this is Diva Mia. I'm going to sign off. Yeah, me too. This is Diva Kat.
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  Nice talking to you. Bye, Diva.
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