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Inside the Rise and Fall of Basketball Wives with Royce Reed · Reality with The King

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Speaker 1: Reality with the King is hosted by me, Carlos King.
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Speaker 1: I'm an executive producer who have produced some of your
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Speaker 1: Bell Collective. Every episode we recap reality television from the
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Speaker 1: addition to celebrity guests, whether in the unscripted space or
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Speaker 1: scripted as well. Hey, rain Drops, on today's episode of
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Speaker 1: Reality with the King, we are doing a deep dive
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Speaker 1: into I guess I'll call it a cancelation of Basketball wise.
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Speaker 2: But first I could not do this episode alone. I
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Speaker 2: am reunited with my girl.
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Speaker 1: She is an OG, and I felt like having this
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Speaker 1: discussion about the rise and the fall of basketball wives
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Speaker 1: should be inducted with an OG so that she and
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Speaker 1: I can just talk about exactly where we think things
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Speaker 1: went wrong to leave this unfortunate decision. So ladies jumped
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Speaker 1: him and Gaze and Bays give it up for the
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Speaker 1: og of basketball Byes Royce reed.
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Speaker 3: Hey, and you know I had to put on my
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Speaker 3: Rattler shirt, so shout out, I'm good, how are you?
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Speaker 2: I have good. No cole plains, nocle planes. What have
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Speaker 2: you been up to, sweetheart?
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Speaker 4: I'm on a farm now. Yeah, I have chickens.
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Speaker 3: I'm working on getting alpasas and an emu. But yeah,
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Speaker 3: they just started laying eggs. I have a whole like lake,
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Speaker 3: go to doc so I go fishing. So yeah, I
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Speaker 3: finally got my soft girl farm life.
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Speaker 4: And I love that for me.
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Speaker 1: I love that for you because I know that when
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Speaker 1: it comes to you, you're such a nature girl with
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Speaker 1: everything that you know you are about.
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Speaker 2: So that's good. So listen, life is good for you
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Speaker 2: right now.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean for the most part.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, still obviously I still have bullshit, but for the
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Speaker 3: most part, yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah. But Lissa, you look good. You look good.
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Speaker 1: I got my age too, all because we are going
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Speaker 1: to do a deep dive into this conversation about basketball wives.
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Speaker 4: And I have my gas station drink.
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Speaker 3: It's not a gas station margarita, but it's a deep box.
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Speaker 2: So not to watch a potomac and.
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Speaker 4: Yep, and let me just say I love Stacy, Okime,
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Speaker 4: I do.
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Speaker 2: That is good.
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Speaker 1: But question for you before we get to basketball wives, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: team Angel or team Giselle.
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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, you know what, Honestly, I'm gonna have
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Speaker 3: to say I'm team Angel because I feel like she
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Speaker 3: really tried. And I feel like, you know, even being
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Speaker 3: on basketball wise, like I know how it feels to
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Speaker 3: you know, be like just constantly like I don't even
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Speaker 3: want to say bash, but just pushed, you know what
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Speaker 3: I mean. And I felt like she was constantly trying,
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Speaker 3: and it's so unfortunate that our trip went.
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Speaker 4: The way it did.
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Speaker 3: But I don't think it was like I think she
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Speaker 3: tried and just so like she's just that was just mean,
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Speaker 3: Like the girl tried.
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Speaker 4: Just now, she tried. You didn't have to. I mean,
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Speaker 4: come on, she didn't have to do her like that.
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Speaker 4: She really didn't. And I was really happy.
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Speaker 3: I honestly was really happy when they didn't follow her
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Speaker 3: when she was trying to like leave the first.
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Speaker 4: Time, and they were like, well, nah, I actually do
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Speaker 4: want to do this.
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Speaker 3: I could tell that she was kind of like, oh,
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Speaker 3: oh yeah, yeah, this is not mean girls.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Well look, that's the reason why you are the perfect
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Speaker 1: person talk about this, because not only when you featured
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Speaker 1: on basketball, yes, but you also understand the mechanics of
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Speaker 1: reality television.
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Speaker 2: So to update, the brain Drops.
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Speaker 1: Last week, Shawnie Henderson formerly O'Neill, shared a statement on
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Speaker 1: her Instagram that she is officially announcing that Basketball Vies
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Speaker 1: would not be returning for another season.
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Speaker 2: Another season, excuse.
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Speaker 1: Me, bringing an end to the VH one reality franchise
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Speaker 1: after twelve seasons. Shawnee intimated that it was a planned
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Speaker 1: transition and not a sudden cascelation, as she's highlighting that
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Speaker 1: growth requires evolution, and she also mentioned that she wants
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Speaker 1: to do projects that is aligned more with where she's
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Speaker 1: adding life and what she is going going through.
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Speaker 4: So, oh, praise God.
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Speaker 3: I'm happy that she's come to that realization. But where
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Speaker 3: was a growth and evolution in these twelve seasons?
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Speaker 4: Okay, okay, right.
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Speaker 2: We're god real compensation tonight. All right, So let let's
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Speaker 2: check this out.
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Speaker 1: So when you found out that the show was not returning,
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Speaker 1: what was your initial reaction.
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Speaker 3: I just responded to the email saying that I would
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Speaker 3: do the podcast because I didn't hear it until I
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Speaker 3: got the email about it.
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Speaker 1: Wait wait, so wait, you're like, off social media, you
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Speaker 1: had no idea to like contact you that the show
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Speaker 1: wasn't coming back.
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Speaker 4: No, I mean, because this is the thing.
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Speaker 3: All last weekend I was working a competition. I was
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Speaker 3: using my MC voice introducing entry number five thirteen. Like
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Speaker 3: that was me this whole weekend for like twelve hours
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Speaker 3: a day. So no, I wasn't on social media, but
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Speaker 3: I also don't watch the show.
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Speaker 1: Oh so okay, so this is a real exclusive, So
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Speaker 1: maybe ask you how do you feel about this show
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Speaker 1: not coming back after twelve seasons.
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Speaker 3: I'm shocked it lasted that long, to be honest, why
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Speaker 3: you say that?
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Speaker 4: Because I just felt like it was just one layer.
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Speaker 3: Everybody had pretty much like the same personality almost to
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Speaker 3: a certain extent, and then when you had someone that
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Speaker 3: was challenging, then you push them off the show. When
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Speaker 3: you as someone that didn't align with what you wanted
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Speaker 3: them to be, you kicked them off the show. And
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Speaker 3: I just felt like there was never really any substance.
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Speaker 3: There wasn't a you know, an array of like personalities
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Speaker 3: that clashed as friends, but then people saw them get
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Speaker 3: over it and get through it. I just felt like
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Speaker 3: anytime that someone question, anyone that was considered like a
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Speaker 3: veteran cast member, if you made them look a type
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Speaker 3: of way that was different than the way they wanted
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Speaker 3: to be portrayed, then they pushed them off the show.
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Speaker 4: I mean I can name that for several people.
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Speaker 3: I mean even me, because I started calling Shawne by
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Speaker 3: her government.
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Speaker 1: Name, which is why, but Shandia you would call her
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Speaker 1: that and scene I would.
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Speaker 3: Call her that, and scene when she would be playing
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Speaker 3: with me, yes, and in confessionals, which is why a
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Speaker 3: lot of my confessionals you never heard me talking about
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Speaker 3: her because.
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Speaker 4: They would cut it out.
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Speaker 3: But I'm like, nah, if y'all want to sit here
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Speaker 3: and say we're gonna keep it real, then let's keep
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Speaker 3: it real. You're not gonna have her talking to me
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Speaker 3: all types of sideways and then you edit that out
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Speaker 3: and make it seem like, oh, she's Mama Bear when
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Speaker 3: she's treated me like shit, We're not gonna do that.
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Speaker 3: So again, I think when people question her, I'm just
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Speaker 3: happy that they aired it when Brandy did it because
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Speaker 3: I checked her all the time.
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Speaker 2: So when you were on the show, you would check her,
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Speaker 2: and they just want to hear it.
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Speaker 4: Never they would never er it.
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Speaker 1: Because the thing is this and I don't know if
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Speaker 1: people know this, and I don't think this is a
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Speaker 1: secret because I think she's publicly said it you know,
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Speaker 1: Shawnee has editing rights and she gets to watch the
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Speaker 1: footage and you know, she gets to have and say
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Speaker 1: and what gets shown and what doesn't get shown. And look,
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Speaker 1: that doesn't happen on a lot of shows where a
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Speaker 1: cast member may have a producer credit, but definitely on
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Speaker 1: Basketball Wives, I think is widely known.
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Speaker 2: I'm not saying anything.
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Speaker 1: And it's and it is what it is that Shawnee
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Speaker 1: definitely had editing rights on that show. And you know
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Speaker 1: the reason why I wanted to talk to you too,
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Speaker 1: is because I do think the demise of Basketball Wives,
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Speaker 1: which was a show I fell in love with instantly,
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Speaker 1: I instantly, he fell in love of the show. It
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Speaker 1: tapped into a subculture that was at that time very interesting.
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Speaker 1: The show a review around two thousand and nine, so
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Speaker 1: to be able to see the current or former girlfriend's wives.
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Speaker 2: Of these athletes was definitely interested.
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, interesting, But I do think what happened along
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Speaker 1: the lines is exactly what you're saying.
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Speaker 2: And I've heard this from several.
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Speaker 1: Girls who appeared on my podcast and said the same
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Speaker 1: thing to you that you know, look, Shawnee definitely had
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Speaker 1: and I'll say it. Tammy Roman said, this on my podcast,
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Speaker 1: So I want to make it clear You're not alone,
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Speaker 1: Tammy Roman, Laura Gavon, you have all said the same
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Speaker 1: thing that when it came to Basketball Wives, that Shawnee
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Speaker 1: had a lot of power on that show and who
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Speaker 1: stayed on that show were women that she had to
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Speaker 1: approve of. Do you think that Royce is single handedly
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Speaker 1: the reason why you, as well as the audience, thought
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Speaker 1: that that show could never grow?
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Speaker 3: Yes?
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Speaker 4: Absolutely, And I say that because.
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Speaker 3: You know, I've always given you praise on how you
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Speaker 3: cast your shows because and even with your cast, they
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Speaker 3: understand we're selling a show you have to get to
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Speaker 3: give and give to get right, and they understand that
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Speaker 3: their personalities are gonna clash.
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Speaker 4: But one that makes a good friend group because.
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Speaker 3: If everybody is the same, then like you've finna go
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Speaker 3: through some shit, because not all of y'all finna be
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Speaker 3: in jail, you know what I mean, Like somebody got
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Speaker 3: to bail you out, Somebody gotta say y'all dumb as fuck?
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Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, Like, who's gonna do that?
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Speaker 3: And when you have a cast like what you have
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Speaker 3: on your shows, everybody understands their job and they do
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Speaker 3: their job that never happened with Basketball wives. It never
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Speaker 3: happened even when it came to me in the four
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Speaker 3: seasons I did. What I signed up for was to
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Speaker 3: not eve, I don't even want to say befriend, but
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Speaker 3: to work with a group of ladies. And if it
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Speaker 3: built into a friendship, great, But we were going to
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Speaker 3: show how we deal with the same situation but in
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Speaker 3: different ways. We were going to discuss and like I
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Speaker 3: guess even banter about, oh, why did you do this?
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Speaker 4: Why did you do that?
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Speaker 3: But it was never about completely tearing someone down. It
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Speaker 3: was never about doing all these private investigations because now
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Speaker 3: you want to destroy someone's character that went too far.
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Speaker 3: When I heard about that, I was like, wow, you
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Speaker 3: know what I mean. And then the stuff that I
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Speaker 3: saw about og and I completely understood it, you know,
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Speaker 3: and I stood ten tones down with her, like even
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Speaker 3: with what would down, you know, with Tammy, and then
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Speaker 3: the Jennifer situation with the rumor, like certain things have
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Speaker 3: to be discussed and dealt with because you've invested in
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Speaker 3: a show and so have your fans, and when you
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Speaker 3: just decide that you're not gonna talk about something or
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Speaker 3: you have asked answer it, one is a sense of disrespect.
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Speaker 3: And then two, you can't say this is my real life.
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Speaker 3: You're on a reality show. That's what you signed up for.
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Speaker 3: You signed up to tell these people your real life.
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Speaker 3: So you can't sit here and say, I'm not gonna
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Speaker 3: talk about this why because it might make you look
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Speaker 3: a certain type of way. And I feel like with
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Speaker 3: basketball wise, it was constantly like a WEE can air
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Speaker 3: this person's dirty laundry, but we not gonna touch hers.
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Speaker 2: Who do you feel was the most protected cast member
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Speaker 2: on about Evelyn?
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Speaker 4: Evelyn? And I do not have a problem with Evelyn.
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Speaker 3: I mean one, we will never be friends, obviously, but
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Speaker 3: I don't have a problem with her. I could have
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Speaker 3: coexisted with her. I can, you know, communicate, I can coexist.
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Speaker 4: I can do all of that. But she was very
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Speaker 4: protected in it.
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Speaker 3: And I say that from season one and I don't
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Speaker 3: know if she was on I don't know how many
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Speaker 3: seasons she's done, but I know she was on it again.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, she was on it. She was on the most
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Speaker 2: current season before it wasn't mown.
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Speaker 1: Okay, this is reality with the King and I'm Carlos King.
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Speaker 2: Let's get back into the show.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, And what was interesting is Tammy Roman said that
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Speaker 1: she thought Shawnie was her friend and that when her
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Speaker 1: and Evelyn had their issues, and of course I'm paraphrasing,
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Speaker 1: but god, you can watch my interview with Tammy that
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Speaker 1: I did maybe two years ago Roy's. She said that
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Speaker 1: she really did think that her and Shawnie were friends,
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Speaker 1: but it was the Evelyn piece that sort of sealed
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Speaker 1: the fate of their friendship because she did feel like,
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Speaker 1: you know, allegedly right, that Shawnee chose the side of Evelyn.
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Speaker 2: And again I'm paraphrasing.
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Speaker 1: I'm not saying yeah exactly, but I'm saying that's exactly
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Speaker 1: what the intention was on the conversation. So when it
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Speaker 1: came to that was it. Because again I'm a fan.
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Speaker 2: Of the show. I'm a fan of the genre, and
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Speaker 2: when I watched the show.
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Speaker 1: Listen, you and I can both agree that Evelyn is
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Speaker 1: great television.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely great television, right.
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Speaker 1: And what I did find was Laura Gavon said of
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Speaker 1: my podcast that it was evident that Evlyent was Shawnee's mouthpiece,
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Speaker 1: that the stuff that Shawnee wanted to get out on
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Speaker 1: the show. I'll give you an example, because again I
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Speaker 1: know you haven't watched it. Not this past season. The
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Speaker 1: season before that, Laura Gavon made a guest appearance and
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Speaker 1: in Shawnee's book, she didn't name names, but she intimated
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Speaker 1: that someone slept with Shack.
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Speaker 2: The intimation was Laura go on.
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Speaker 1: Evelynn flat out asked, you know, Laura on camera, Shawnee
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Speaker 1: wasn't there, and she said, like, Shannie, did you sleep
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Speaker 1: with shit?
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Speaker 2: Act pretty much? And Laura said, that's a conversation for
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Speaker 2: me and Shawnee to have. Thank you.
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Speaker 1: And Laura came to my podcast and said that if
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Speaker 1: Shanne wants to know the child, you know where to
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Speaker 1: find me. And unfortunately, Laura was not asked back to
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Speaker 1: the show after my interview with do you think all
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Speaker 1: of that is what you girls experience being a part
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Speaker 1: of that cast?
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Speaker 4: Absolutely?
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Speaker 3: And I mean I thought Shannie was my friend too.
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Speaker 3: I thought Shannie was my.
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Speaker 4: Friend before the show.
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Speaker 3: Shannie is someone that I used to like, We used
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Speaker 3: to text, we used to like email, like am you
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Speaker 3: know we go back?
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Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying.
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Speaker 3: When I was dancing and like I would confide in
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Speaker 3: her and the whole situation, even when I was dating
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Speaker 3: my ex, like and she was like, I know you
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Speaker 3: weren't you know, dating him during this or whatever, like
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Speaker 3: that's all. Sorry, my dog is having a whole asthma
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Speaker 3: attack right now. But sorry, life, real life, Okay, Okay.
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Speaker 4: Yes, he's okay.
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Speaker 3: But she was like a big sister to me, and
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Speaker 3: I confided in her so much so when she reached
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Speaker 3: out to me about doing the show, I was like, yeah,
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Speaker 3: of course, you know, and I mean we were still
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Speaker 3: communicating like heavy, Like I really thought this girl was
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Speaker 3: like a big sister to me.
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Speaker 4: So when we were filming the show and it.
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Speaker 3: Was brought up because I told her from day one,
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Speaker 3: I do want you to know that your ex husband
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Speaker 3: did try and talk to me. I've said this before.
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Speaker 3: Nothing ever happened, like literally nothing. He's ever purchased anything
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Speaker 3: for me. We've never hugged, kiss, done nothing right. But
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Speaker 3: I showed her the messages because I didn't want it
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Speaker 3: to even be a rumor. I was asked on camera,
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Speaker 3: though never aired, never aired, you would.
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Speaker 2: Act on camera by whom?
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Speaker 3: I was asked on camera by Evelyn And yes, never aired,
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Speaker 3: but it wasn't aired because I had too much proof
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Speaker 3: they wanted something to air that they could sit here
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Speaker 3: and like change the narrative for it, just like they
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Speaker 3: did with Laura. You know what I'm saying. That's what
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Speaker 3: I'm saying. They knew how to spend shit. And that's
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Speaker 3: why I was always very careful. After about season two,
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Speaker 3: I was very careful about what I would say and
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Speaker 3: what I would do, Hence me saying her government name,
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Speaker 3: because I knew they wouldn't air it. Hence, when we
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Speaker 3: did scenes, I would still call her her government name,
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Speaker 3: so those scenes wouldn't air, or our conversations wouldn't.
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Speaker 1: What would Shannie do when you call her about her
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Speaker 1: government name and she would get annoyed.
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Speaker 4: She was like, don't call me that, you know what
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Speaker 4: I mean?
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Speaker 3: And then she would tell production like she needs to
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Speaker 3: not call me that like that. But it was only
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Speaker 3: like two scenes because she didn't film with me a lot,
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Speaker 3: as you can see.
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Speaker 4: That is why. That's exactly why we didn't film a.
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Speaker 3: Lot together because of that, and you never have even
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Speaker 3: conversations of the two of us talking.
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Speaker 4: Think about it. That's why I.
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Speaker 1: Know because I'm thinking about the scenes, I mean the
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Speaker 1: scenes and the episodes you were in, and that you're
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Speaker 1: right about that. And what is so crazy is and again,
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Speaker 1: I grew up producing housewives. My first reality shows a
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Speaker 1: lot of housewives, and we are all about the institution of,
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Speaker 1: like you said, conflict resolution.
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Speaker 2: Conflict resolution.
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Speaker 1: Right, we can have an argument, but let's really really
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Speaker 1: work or resolving it. And then when we resolve it,
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Speaker 1: let's find a way not to go back there. And
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Speaker 1: that's the beauty of reality television. And I knew that when.
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Speaker 2: You were on the show.
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Speaker 1: You had your stuff with Evelyn in the epic steno
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Speaker 1: thromic glass and use about the bumbom.
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Speaker 4: Bull but he was about to get it.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but it was something to where you were.
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Speaker 2: Honestly, you know this. You were the fan favorite. People
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Speaker 2: loved you.
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Speaker 1: Why didn't you return to the show.
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Speaker 2: Did you not get asked back? Or did you leave
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Speaker 2: me your own accord?
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Speaker 3: It was a little bit of both, because they wanted
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Speaker 3: me to apologize.
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Speaker 4: They wanted me to make amends and.
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Speaker 3: Evelyn and my thing is, like, y'all, we just filmed
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Speaker 3: the whole season and she refused.
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Speaker 4: To film with me.
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Speaker 3: What do you mean, why do I have to do something?
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Speaker 3: I didn't do anything. I didn't initiate the entire argument.
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Speaker 3: I didn't initiate the glass throwing. I didn't do any
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Speaker 3: of that, So why am I now from the gravel?
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Speaker 3: Like hell no, Like I would never be friends with
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Speaker 3: this girl in real life.
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Speaker 4: So we're gonna do a show. We're gonna still do it.
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Speaker 4: Right this happened.
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Speaker 3: I said that I would film with her after that
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Speaker 3: she said no, So now y'all tell her that she
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Speaker 3: needs to make amends with me. And when it came
20:14
Speaker 3: to Shawnee, Shawne was just against it. She was like, well,
20:18
Speaker 3: I'm not even going to be filming that much. You know,
20:19
Speaker 3: I'm really not trying to be on the show like that.
20:23
Speaker 3: So she was trying to be you know, when she
20:25
Speaker 3: comes in, she's like big Ange, Yeah, reth.
20:33
Speaker 2: Of peace, big Anchelman.
20:40
Speaker 1: The thing that is apparent when it came to that
20:44
Speaker 1: is the fact that, look, the reason why we love
20:47
Speaker 1: the female ensemble shows is what I said earlier.
20:49
Speaker 2: We liked the conflict resolution.
20:51
Speaker 1: And when I learned the news that it was not
20:54
Speaker 1: coming back, I felt sad because I felt like, once again,
20:59
Speaker 1: this is a another black reality show that.
21:03
Speaker 2: In my opinion, Royce, I'd love to get your thoughts.
21:06
Speaker 1: The brand itself was so big and the show itself
21:10
Speaker 1: had so much potential that it did get to a point.
21:15
Speaker 1: And Tammy, again, I'm just talking about people who did
21:18
Speaker 1: my podcast because I want to make sure that I
21:21
Speaker 1: speak on behalf of what they said in the interview,
21:23
Speaker 1: not in other yeah conversations. But you know one thing
21:28
Speaker 1: that Tammy and Laura said too, They were like, it
21:32
Speaker 1: did feel like it was this desire to constantly fight
21:38
Speaker 1: and physically and things like that.
21:41
Speaker 2: Do you think do you think.
21:43
Speaker 1: Where we are as a society today that we're just
21:48
Speaker 1: passed all of that because we've seen in season one.
21:52
Speaker 1: Here y'all are twelve years later and y'all doing the
21:55
Speaker 1: same thing.
21:56
Speaker 4: Yes, I'm so happy you said that.
21:58
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, preach, because I look at the way
22:02
Speaker 3: the world is today right now, and I look at
22:06
Speaker 3: shows like I'm probably gonna get like threatened, I'm gonna
22:11
Speaker 3: get some people in my DMS baddies.
22:14
Speaker 4: I hate everything about it. I do.
22:18
Speaker 3: And when I look at a show like Basketball Wise,
22:21
Speaker 3: like you said, that has so much potential, it has
22:23
Speaker 3: so much potential to expand. But because of the narrative
22:28
Speaker 3: that they put in place and what people felt that
22:31
Speaker 3: they needed to follow, it was never gonna be that.
22:35
Speaker 3: And then when you're talking about what people want to see.
22:41
Speaker 3: Nobody wants to see grown ass women physically fighting and
22:46
Speaker 3: like running across tables, and you know what I'm saying,
22:49
Speaker 3: nobody wants to see that. I understand an occasional like
22:53
Speaker 3: you know, you get so mad and you can't swing,
22:55
Speaker 3: so you throw a journey. I get it, But what
22:59
Speaker 3: exactly are we at? Like what is the actual issue?
23:02
Speaker 3: Because some people know how to fight with words and
23:05
Speaker 3: then others just have to use their hands because they cannot.
23:08
Speaker 4: But that shouldn't be at the demise of a show,
23:14
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. And I feel like again,
23:18
Speaker 4: I correct me if I'm wrong.
23:22
Speaker 3: I have seen like clips and stuff throughout the years
23:26
Speaker 3: of different people that have been cast, and just like
23:29
Speaker 3: people say with me, well who are you, I've been like,
23:31
Speaker 3: well who is that? Because their story was never told?
23:34
Speaker 3: And I think people want to be more invested in
23:37
Speaker 3: people's stories, especially nowadays because our society has become so desensitized.
23:42
Speaker 3: And I think within our demographic at least, we do
23:47
Speaker 3: want to know more of people's stories because we're all
23:49
Speaker 3: going through the same shit. We're all living this, how
23:53
Speaker 3: are you getting through it? So I think That's really
23:58
Speaker 3: why it went down, because they were trying to follow
24:01
Speaker 3: suit of baddies and baby you not in your twenties, like,
24:08
Speaker 3: we gotta grow up, we gotta do something different. And
24:13
Speaker 3: again I get the whole thing of you gotta give
24:15
Speaker 3: to get and get to give.
24:17
Speaker 4: I could do that all day.
24:19
Speaker 3: But if you're on a show with a cast that
24:22
Speaker 3: like is constantly trying to like coddle and constantly trying
24:28
Speaker 3: to cover up stuff or no, we can't talk about that,
24:31
Speaker 3: or don't worry about it, I'll edit it out, then
24:34
Speaker 3: you're constantly filming in fear because you're like, well, what
24:37
Speaker 3: they gonna show about me that they're not gonna show
24:39
Speaker 3: about you?
24:41
Speaker 2: And that's the thing that I did want to ask
24:43
Speaker 2: you about too. At some point, it did feel.
24:48
Speaker 1: Like the cast was disjointed, right, My favorite seasons of
24:53
Speaker 1: Basketball Wives will always be the first three well because
24:58
Speaker 1: for me, Royce for me, for me, for me, it
25:01
Speaker 1: fell organic and and yes, like like like and listen.
25:06
Speaker 1: I am a huge fan of the show and I
25:08
Speaker 1: know every scene in the world. I remember season two,
25:13
Speaker 1: believe it. Season two when Shawnee checked Gloria like she
25:19
Speaker 1: first of all, she wore a tank top, have the haircut,
25:22
Speaker 1: and her Glory going at it. Glory calls her to
25:25
Speaker 1: see you next Tuesday, goes into Gloria goes into the
25:29
Speaker 1: production car.
25:30
Speaker 2: Shawnnie slaughed, it's right me me here, I go. Roy's
25:37
Speaker 2: like this because because to me, I felt like, Okay, Shawnee,
25:43
Speaker 2: you do get down with the get down.
25:45
Speaker 1: And I thought for the audience, we enjoy seeing somebody
25:51
Speaker 1: who deemed themselves to be like this, you know, this matriarch,
25:55
Speaker 1: this queen Bee.
25:56
Speaker 2: No, you you also could get down like and Morna
26:02
Speaker 2: got that side out of you.
26:03
Speaker 1: So you were there in that moment, and I do
26:06
Speaker 1: want to ask you about that scene too, but I
26:09
Speaker 1: also want to ask you about like I felt that
26:12
Speaker 1: that's what we also wanted to see. I thought that
26:16
Speaker 1: was a real conflict, and I thought Shawnee stood on business.
26:21
Speaker 1: But I remember after that scene, you never saw Shawnee
26:25
Speaker 1: do that. I think she realized, oh I can't be
26:30
Speaker 1: that way, so let somebody else do it. But anyways,
26:34
Speaker 1: getting back to that scene, that was like one of
26:37
Speaker 1: those really scenes the first three seasons.
26:40
Speaker 3: To me, Yeah, so I just sat there, you know,
26:45
Speaker 3: and the thing is like people got on me, so
26:47
Speaker 3: much because I'm like.
26:47
Speaker 4: Royce, why did you tell them where they were?
26:50
Speaker 3: Let's break the fourth wall, okay, because people have been
26:53
Speaker 3: talking about this lately anyway, there are certain times where
26:57
Speaker 3: they cannot get absolutely anyone to set up something, and
27:02
Speaker 3: you know you've you probably dealt with this too, where
27:05
Speaker 3: they're just like, hell Na, I'm not doing that shit.
27:08
Speaker 4: But yeah, so it came down to me and I
27:13
Speaker 4: was like, why.
27:13
Speaker 2: I gotta do it?
27:16
Speaker 4: And they were like, because you're cool with both sides.
27:19
Speaker 3: I'm like, but I wanted to stay that way, but
27:25
Speaker 3: they're like, you're the only one. So I had to
27:29
Speaker 3: set up that scene. But I said from the beginning,
27:31
Speaker 3: I was like, yo, I'm nothing, have no parts of
27:36
Speaker 3: this like at all. So I was sitting there like
27:40
Speaker 3: this some hold.
27:43
Speaker 2: Man.
27:44
Speaker 3: I was so mad that I had to do it,
27:46
Speaker 3: but I was fully entertained.
27:49
Speaker 4: Oh, I was fully entertained.
27:50
Speaker 3: I thought, listen, I will say Gloria, and I asked up, man,
27:57
Speaker 3: she ain't her ass up and that's probably why she
28:00
Speaker 3: come back because she was like ship she is a listen.
28:05
Speaker 4: Shawney is a terrible reader.
28:07
Speaker 3: She is no favor Okay, that's something she needs to
28:12
Speaker 3: work on. Because oh my god, I remember being there like,
28:18
Speaker 3: oh my gosh, she said that's what you said in
28:22
Speaker 3: the slow that wasn't a good one.
28:26
Speaker 4: She still got you.
28:29
Speaker 3: And Roy.
28:29
Speaker 2: And Roy's the fact that Gloria was cool as.
28:33
Speaker 1: A cucumber and was like, yeah, I want to get
28:35
Speaker 1: married to be old miserable like y'all like me, like me, yes,
28:39
Speaker 1: like you still eating her food, yes, Roy, Glory got
28:43
Speaker 1: her food to go, was able to get was able
28:46
Speaker 1: to get her to go box and you know me
28:49
Speaker 1: from the hood.
28:50
Speaker 2: You're in a contentious situation. You don't want anybody to
28:54
Speaker 2: walk behind you. Gloria felt so cool. They walked behind her.
28:58
Speaker 2: She just she didn't run, And I'm.
29:01
Speaker 4: Just like, yep, oh my god.
29:04
Speaker 3: That is one of my favorite scenes to have been
29:07
Speaker 3: a part of because I was like, I feel like
29:12
Speaker 3: I should have known that Shawnee wasn't coming back because well,
29:16
Speaker 3: I tell you, Like that was one of them scenes
29:18
Speaker 3: where Susie and I used to be real cool, like
29:21
Speaker 3: outside of the show. That was one of those scenes
29:23
Speaker 3: where I called Susie afterwards like bitch, oh and Sue listen.
29:35
Speaker 2: Susie dipp got her car. She left in the middle
29:38
Speaker 2: of the scene, but.
29:39
Speaker 3: Like yep, oh man, oh man, that was Oh yeah,
29:43
Speaker 3: that one was great.
29:45
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, we had some we had some moments.
29:48
Speaker 1: I will go down in history saying the first three
29:50
Speaker 1: seasons were the best.
29:52
Speaker 2: And you're right.
29:52
Speaker 1: Gloria did not come back that next season. She led
29:55
Speaker 1: the LA spin off because like I guess, like, you're right.
29:58
Speaker 1: Shawnie said, look, bitch, you can't. There's no fucking way,
30:03
Speaker 1: like and you know what's surprised me that I move
30:05
Speaker 1: on from it. Even Evelyn and Jen dag like they
30:11
Speaker 1: literally was like there's.
30:13
Speaker 3: Nothing like Meanwhile, she want to stick up for her friend,
30:17
Speaker 3: but she like this, you know, she got the vain
30:21
Speaker 3: bugging out and everything like this.
30:22
Speaker 4: You're not gonna say nothing better than that. That's all
30:25
Speaker 4: you got, fuck girl, you can say. She was like
30:33
Speaker 4: that's it.
30:41
Speaker 3: Yeah, that that that was a moment. That that was fun.
30:45
Speaker 4: Yeah.
30:48
Speaker 1: One thing I do remember too, And I want to
30:50
Speaker 1: get your thoughts on this.
30:52
Speaker 2: You did bring up fear right, do you think the
30:57
Speaker 2: other thing?
30:57
Speaker 1: Because as we're talking about like what went wrong with
31:00
Speaker 1: this show, like why isn't this show lasting as long
31:05
Speaker 1: as the Real Housewives brand, for example, spinning off into
31:08
Speaker 1: multiple cities do you think one of the reasons about
31:12
Speaker 1: the institution of that show was the fear was it
31:17
Speaker 1: was what were people just afraid of.
31:21
Speaker 2: Going against Shawnee or going even maybe maybe going against
31:26
Speaker 2: Haplyn because they're close by proxy?
31:29
Speaker 1: Like was there like this halo of fear hovering over
31:33
Speaker 1: the cast about like what.
31:36
Speaker 2: To do, what not to do because we know what
31:37
Speaker 2: can happen to us.
31:39
Speaker 3: I definitely think like when new cast members were brought in,
31:44
Speaker 3: they had to pick a side. And sometimes you're also
31:47
Speaker 3: cast as, Okay, this person is bringing you in, and
31:52
Speaker 3: so y'all supposed to be friends, right, even though you
31:54
Speaker 3: don't know that person, but there's.
31:59
Speaker 2: Like four and foul it y'all.
32:02
Speaker 3: You know, you know, y'all been cool, y'all like might
32:05
Speaker 3: wap it up and stuff.
32:06
Speaker 4: But yeah, so.
32:08
Speaker 3: I think when you have cast members that are brought
32:11
Speaker 3: in like that they want to get a second season
32:17
Speaker 3: or contract, that they are willing to go against their
32:21
Speaker 3: own morals and stick with the side that has been
32:25
Speaker 3: there the longest, which completely understand I do, just would
32:32
Speaker 3: never be be you know.
32:35
Speaker 4: So yeah, but.
32:37
Speaker 3: Definitely I think like there was a lot of fear
32:40
Speaker 3: in contesting anything with them.
32:46
Speaker 2: What would you.
32:47
Speaker 1: Have liked to see the show evolved to be because
32:51
Speaker 1: one thing about me, as I look at my own
32:54
Speaker 1: shows and I look at the show that I love,
32:57
Speaker 1: you definitely have to have an evolved yes. And I
33:01
Speaker 1: always tell people the kiss of death for a reality
33:05
Speaker 1: show is when a casma walks in saying I'm gonna
33:08
Speaker 1: start the show. I'm na clean bee because nobody it's
33:12
Speaker 1: like a team like Lebron James, doesn't go around saying.
33:16
Speaker 2: I'm this is my motherfucker. You know, like you want.
33:19
Speaker 1: Your team to support you the captain, and it's okay
33:22
Speaker 1: to do the captain, but if you have that sort
33:25
Speaker 1: of attitude going into it doesn't make the other girls
33:29
Speaker 1: feel comfortable working together. Like you said, we gotta be
33:32
Speaker 1: best friends. But I'm willing to clock in give the
33:35
Speaker 1: TV see if there's a friendship that can develop organically.
33:40
Speaker 1: But the uncomfortability of like you coming in too strong.
33:44
Speaker 2: So my question to you is where would you have
33:49
Speaker 2: liked to see the show evolved to be.
33:54
Speaker 3: I definitely wanted to see it expand to different cities,
33:59
Speaker 3: for sure, but I also wanted them to stick to
34:04
Speaker 3: a cast and just evolved with that cast, Like one
34:07
Speaker 3: of my favorite, like Reality householves a Potomac, and I
34:13
Speaker 3: love the variety of the cast. I feel like there's
34:15
Speaker 3: so many different personalities, so many different styles, and then
34:19
Speaker 3: you always got to have like the one that's down
34:21
Speaker 3: for anything. And I feel like on Potomac, that's freaking Ashley, you.
34:25
Speaker 4: Know what I'm saying.
34:26
Speaker 3: And I feel and I've commented on her stuff and
34:29
Speaker 3: been like, girl, we would have got along great because
34:33
Speaker 3: I feel like that that her character on that show
34:37
Speaker 3: is who I was supposed to be On Basketball Wives, Yes,
34:42
Speaker 3: but Potomac cast embraced her. Basketball Wives pushed me out.
34:51
Speaker 3: Every time I did anything, I was called names.
34:56
Speaker 4: I was just you know, uninvited.
34:59
Speaker 3: I was is.
35:02
Speaker 4: Why am I getting emotional? What the fuck?
35:03
Speaker 2: Bitch?
35:04
Speaker 3: No, let me stop drinking this. You know, sometimes it's
35:12
Speaker 3: about the company you keep. And I love the fact
35:20
Speaker 3: how they have embraced Ashley. And then I even look
35:25
Speaker 3: at like other shows and I look at how was
35:28
Speaker 3: Porsia's best friend on Atlanta Housewives.
35:31
Speaker 4: I love her like she's the same way, you know
35:34
Speaker 4: what I mean.
35:35
Speaker 3: And it's like they don't chastise, they don't belittle, they
35:39
Speaker 3: don't degrade, And that's what I got So I think
35:45
Speaker 3: what I would have liked for the show to do
35:47
Speaker 3: is exactly what it was brought to me for.
35:51
Speaker 4: And it was supposed to.
35:52
Speaker 3: Bring women together that were at different levels of you know,
36:00
Speaker 3: the NBA or whatever, the wife, the girlfriend, the dancer,
36:05
Speaker 3: you know, the friend.
36:07
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying.
36:08
Speaker 3: That's it was supposed to bring all these people together
36:10
Speaker 3: and deal with real life and also follow their careers,
36:15
Speaker 3: but also follow the drama. What career has been followed
36:22
Speaker 3: with basketball wives?
36:25
Speaker 4: Name one? You can't?
36:33
Speaker 3: I mean yeah, and that's what I'm saying, Like, but
36:37
Speaker 3: you go to you know, Atlanta Housewives, you go to Potomac,
36:41
Speaker 3: you go to all these other like franchises, even Bell Collective.
36:45
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, Like, you go to these
36:48
Speaker 3: shows loving marriage like they all have careers that have
36:53
Speaker 3: been followed.
36:54
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. And that's again where I go.
36:57
Speaker 3: You got to give to get and get to give
36:59
Speaker 3: because is it's it's on the show.
37:04
Speaker 4: We didn't have that.
37:07
Speaker 3: They made me look like I talk to me like
37:10
Speaker 3: I was trash and never talked about my dance company.
37:15
Speaker 4: Every day knew I was a dancer.
37:18
Speaker 3: You know, they showed they you know, showed like I
37:20
Speaker 3: think season one, I don't know if it was season
37:25
Speaker 3: two too, but they showed me dancing. And people don't
37:28
Speaker 3: even know that Tracy, super Black girl that everybody loves
37:33
Speaker 3: is on season one of Basketball Wives dancing with me.
37:38
Speaker 4: Yes, Tracy, super black.
37:42
Speaker 3: Girl, ah, super black all yes, yes, Tracy byr Yes,
37:49
Speaker 3: we danced together on the Heat. Tracy is the reason
37:52
Speaker 3: why I kept dancing in college. We're no longer close,
37:57
Speaker 3: you know, you know, we had our moments. But even
37:59
Speaker 3: with that, like, I love her and I always give
38:01
Speaker 3: her credit. She's amazing at what she does. But like
38:04
Speaker 3: she was on the show, but you wouldn't know it
38:07
Speaker 3: because they never pushed that side of me. So people
38:11
Speaker 3: are constantly asking me, like, do you have a job.
38:13
Speaker 4: What do you do?
38:14
Speaker 3: And I'm like, y'all don't know. I have a whole
38:16
Speaker 3: dance company out in this bitch. I'm a world champion,
38:22
Speaker 3: but you wouldn't know it. So that's what I respect
38:27
Speaker 3: about your programs and what I respect about the Housewives franchise.
38:33
Speaker 3: That's what happened with Basketball Wives. They did the opposite.
38:40
Speaker 1: Yeah no, and listen, first of all, thank you, But
38:43
Speaker 1: number two, I will say as a producer, it was listen,
38:49
Speaker 1: there was a point in which the show wasn't as
38:52
Speaker 1: fond anymore because it wasn't what you were saying, like
38:57
Speaker 1: they weren't following the reality. And I was very vocal
39:00
Speaker 1: about the fact that at one point there were a
39:03
Speaker 1: lot of seasons consecutively where the show felt disjointed because
39:09
Speaker 1: you have the Miami Show, then you have the LA
39:11
Speaker 1: spin off, and then they said, let'sures make it to
39:15
Speaker 1: one show, and then you had an entire cast where
39:19
Speaker 1: no one lived in LA and y'all flew them there,
39:22
Speaker 1: and I remember thinking, like, this is not going to
39:26
Speaker 1: work because we want personal story. I want to see
39:28
Speaker 1: you go home to your husband. I want to see
39:30
Speaker 1: you be a mom. And if you're in LA for
39:34
Speaker 1: three months, put up in an apartment and you're just
39:37
Speaker 1: there for the show, you're the audience is not going
39:43
Speaker 1: to receive it because that means for us, Royce.
39:47
Speaker 2: Oh, y'all just had to argue with each other and
39:49
Speaker 2: we don't.
39:50
Speaker 1: Even get a break from that to see again a
39:53
Speaker 1: date not with your man, or hanging out with your
39:56
Speaker 1: mama or just something.
39:57
Speaker 2: So I do think one of the other biggest men.
40:00
Speaker 1: Mistakes to me was when they allowed the Shell to
40:03
Speaker 1: be in LA when, when I say not, Jackie Christy
40:08
Speaker 1: lives in Sacramento, no one who lived in Los Angeles
40:14
Speaker 1: at the time they made that decision, and I just
40:16
Speaker 1: remember thinking to myself, like, this.
40:18
Speaker 2: Is not going to end well. And unfortunately, as we
40:21
Speaker 2: can see with the show like coming Back, it didn't well.
40:25
Speaker 4: The thing is I was supposed to go back two
40:26
Speaker 4: seasons ago.
40:28
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I found this out after I did my
40:34
Speaker 3: interview with you, So don't feel it. Yes, no, no,
40:37
Speaker 3: no no, But that's why I didn't tell you then
40:41
Speaker 3: because I didn't know.
40:42
Speaker 4: But they asked me back, like I think.
40:45
Speaker 3: We started conversations in like February, and I was supposed
40:50
Speaker 3: to go back, but the weekend that they wanted me
40:54
Speaker 3: to go, I couldn't go.
40:56
Speaker 4: I was still supposed to go.
40:58
Speaker 3: I still had apparently an airbnb at a flight, all
41:01
Speaker 3: this stuff.
41:01
Speaker 4: We'll get there.
41:02
Speaker 3: But I told him I couldn't go that particular weekend
41:06
Speaker 3: because I promised to take my team to Nationals INCA
41:12
Speaker 3: Nationals because remember I was coaching at BCU.
41:15
Speaker 4: I wasn't going to just be like peace out, you
41:18
Speaker 4: know what I mean. So I took them to Nationals.
41:21
Speaker 4: Of course they bombed. I'm just saying, like you would
41:28
Speaker 4: think that it would be a Cinderella story.
41:30
Speaker 3: Not for me.
41:32
Speaker 4: No, no, this is not your ca.
41:35
Speaker 3: So I mean, I still love them, but yeah, but
41:40
Speaker 3: I took them the Nationals. So I was supposed to
41:42
Speaker 3: leave that Monday. When I tell you, I was at
41:44
Speaker 3: the airport and got through the gate. I even had
41:46
Speaker 3: my cat in the bag. And when I went to
41:49
Speaker 3: like because they told me I had to check in
41:50
Speaker 3: because I had my cat and make sure that my
41:53
Speaker 3: seat was able to hold her because I was in
41:57
Speaker 3: like one A and you know one A doesn't really
41:59
Speaker 3: have any right, so they were supposed to switch me.
42:03
Speaker 3: And then they were like, huh, we just sold your ticket.
42:08
Speaker 3: What why would you do that. I'm here, I've already
42:12
Speaker 3: checked in, I'm not late or anything. And then I
42:14
Speaker 3: get a call from my attorney, my entertainment attorney, and
42:18
Speaker 3: he's like, I just got a call from production and
42:21
Speaker 3: they're canceling your contract. I was at the airport, Carlos. Yes,
42:28
Speaker 3: I was at the airport with my cat.
42:32
Speaker 5: Back.
42:33
Speaker 4: It's not funny, but I have to laugh at it now.
42:36
Speaker 4: But I don't even want to say I was hurt.
42:39
Speaker 3: I was embarrassed because I'm literally like, I'm going to
42:44
Speaker 3: a lamb, I'm gonna go do a show.
42:46
Speaker 4: And yeah, it was. I was canceled that fast.
42:51
Speaker 2: Why.
42:52
Speaker 3: I have no idea Still to this day, I have
42:54
Speaker 3: no idea I have. I have assumptions. I think someone
43:00
Speaker 3: has something to do with it, just like they did before,
43:03
Speaker 3: but I can't prove.
43:05
Speaker 4: It, so right right, I mean, and I think.
43:11
Speaker 3: It's more so because of the name of the show
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Speaker 3: that they have an issue with, But that was the
43:19
Speaker 3: name of the show should.
43:20
Speaker 4: Have been changed a long time ago anyway, But maybe
43:22
Speaker 4: that's the thing. Maybe I'm going to change the name
43:24
Speaker 4: of the show.
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Speaker 1: Well I think, But listen, and I say this with kindness,
43:30
Speaker 1: and I really do, I really do, because I appreciate
43:34
Speaker 1: every single cast member that has made the brave decision,
43:38
Speaker 1: including you obviously, to even interreality television, it's a hard gig,
43:44
Speaker 1: it's a hard gig. So when I say this, I'm
43:48
Speaker 1: saying this with kindness. You could name the show La Girlfriends.
43:53
Speaker 2: Right. The point is.
43:58
Speaker 1: We want to see evolution and organic friendships. And I
44:03
Speaker 1: think even if you change the name of the show,
44:07
Speaker 1: even if.
44:08
Speaker 2: And I and I say this again of kindness.
44:11
Speaker 1: Shawnee is the first lady of a church, right, and
44:16
Speaker 1: I think.
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Speaker 5: It's I'll speak for myself, church ladies, I'll speak for me.
44:29
Speaker 1: I don't want to see the first lady of a
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Speaker 1: church in this environment where there's there's bickering, right that
44:37
Speaker 1: that's me. That's me, especially when it's sort of like
44:42
Speaker 1: if I see you a part of something like this
44:45
Speaker 1: and then on Sunday I see you get what I'm saying,
44:49
Speaker 1: it will be hard for me and I could be
44:51
Speaker 1: a moment in this.
44:52
Speaker 2: It would be hard for me to separate the two.
44:54
Speaker 1: Now, from Mariti medicine, people can say, well their doctors acting.
44:58
Speaker 2: A fool, Okay, cool.
45:00
Speaker 1: Now, what I'm obsessed with them doctor heavily in real
45:06
Speaker 1: life is my dentist.
45:07
Speaker 2: So the reason.
45:08
Speaker 1: Why for me is different is because they're professional women
45:13
Speaker 1: who really do a good job of the profession and
45:17
Speaker 1: they don't have this halo of spirituality hanging over their
45:24
Speaker 1: head the way Shawnee does. Because even Dustin Ross, who's
45:27
Speaker 1: a part of my team, he was like, I would
45:31
Speaker 1: like to see a show about the first ladies of
45:32
Speaker 1: a church. And I said, as much as I would
45:35
Speaker 1: want to I don't want to see.
45:37
Speaker 2: My first ladies argue again that's me. That's me.
45:42
Speaker 1: So I don't know what they can do with it,
45:45
Speaker 1: but I'm with you, Royce. I did think for a second, like, Okay,
45:52
Speaker 1: is the show going to be because Sean was very
45:55
Speaker 1: careful with like it's not returning. I want to do
45:59
Speaker 1: project that's on line more of where I'm at. And
46:02
Speaker 1: I said, Okay, could it be a show where Shawnee,
46:04
Speaker 1: Evelyn and some.
46:05
Speaker 2: Of the girls doing whatever I I I don't know.
46:12
Speaker 1: It would have to be a lighting and a bottle
46:14
Speaker 1: cast of real girlfriends. Look, could it be Shannie Evelyn,
46:18
Speaker 1: Evelyn's Dollar, Shanise and I don't know who their friends are.
46:22
Speaker 2: Listen. Maybe I'll give you anything a try. But my
46:27
Speaker 2: point is how unfortunate.
46:30
Speaker 4: Would you really watch that?
46:33
Speaker 2: The thing is this and I'll say this.
46:37
Speaker 4: And this is just because like, what did they do
46:39
Speaker 4: that's fun to watch?
46:40
Speaker 1: I was gonna I was just about to say that,
46:42
Speaker 1: and I'm want to keep it real when I say this.
46:45
Speaker 1: Evelyn works with an ensemble cast where she's in conflict.
46:50
Speaker 2: M it is what it is.
46:54
Speaker 1: Yeah, Evelyn Evelyn is amazing when she's on the show.
46:57
Speaker 1: Where it's conflict. Evelyn had to spin off on the
47:00
Speaker 1: Oprah Winfrey Network. I tried watching get my opinion. It
47:04
Speaker 1: wasn't great. It wasn't good to me. I Evelyn works
47:09
Speaker 1: ensemble and she's in conflict.
47:12
Speaker 2: That's so.
47:14
Speaker 4: What show did she have on OM that was recent?
47:16
Speaker 2: No? No, no, no, this is when she with Chad No, no,
47:22
Speaker 2: this is this is after the chat situation.
47:26
Speaker 1: Remember there was a point where Basketball Wives was on hiatus,
47:29
Speaker 1: and I believe she left the show at least that's
47:31
Speaker 1: what she said.
47:32
Speaker 2: So she had a season maybe two max. But this girl,
47:37
Speaker 2: this is back in twenty eleven.
47:42
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, she had a show. This is she
47:45
Speaker 1: she did Yalla fix my life?
47:47
Speaker 4: Right, Okay, I feel like I definitely remember that.
47:50
Speaker 2: I feel like I remember that fixed my life? Okay.
47:53
Speaker 1: And then after that they gave her her own show
47:57
Speaker 1: and the show was called Living. It aired for two
48:02
Speaker 1: seasons between twenty fifteen and twenty sixteen.
48:07
Speaker 2: I tried watching it. It just it wasn't good to me.
48:11
Speaker 1: It wasn't good to me because Evolent works where she's
48:15
Speaker 1: in conflicting situations. Because when she is, she gives you,
48:19
Speaker 1: well you and I both know a good read.
48:22
Speaker 4: Yeah.
48:23
Speaker 1: Whatever she gives, she gives a good right, So I
48:28
Speaker 1: don't know what else it could be. But not again.
48:33
Speaker 2: I'll watch anything once.
48:35
Speaker 3: Yeah, but again, But you know how to build a cast,
48:38
Speaker 3: That's the thing, like I do.
48:40
Speaker 4: Everybody doesn't know how to do that.
48:42
Speaker 3: Everybody can't say, oh, I'm a producer and then also
48:45
Speaker 3: know how to be a casting director. Can't be both,
48:48
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. Yeah, So I think when
48:51
Speaker 3: it comes to Shawnee, look at me being see I'm growing.
48:56
Speaker 3: I'm calling her Shawnee.
49:00
Speaker 4: When it comes to Shawne, I think she needs to.
49:05
Speaker 3: Step back and just be a producer and let somebody
49:09
Speaker 3: else do the cast, just like she didn't attend those
49:15
Speaker 3: meetings I did. Like I know how to sell a show.
49:21
Speaker 3: Tom Huffman knows how to sell a show. Shawnie doesn't
49:25
Speaker 3: know how to sell a show. She needs to just
49:28
Speaker 3: be in the background.
49:33
Speaker 4: And I say that because.
49:36
Speaker 3: I'm just thinking about some of the shows that I
49:39
Speaker 3: do know that she's done and where they are. But shit,
49:45
Speaker 3: look at me, I ain't know nothing, so I can't
49:47
Speaker 3: really say too much. I'm just say in my ass
49:50
Speaker 3: over here, just like I got chickens. So I'm like,
49:55
Speaker 3: I can't really talk them too much shit, but like
49:58
Speaker 3: I feel like I I know how.
50:02
Speaker 4: To like sell something. I also know how this should
50:05
Speaker 4: let me sell myself.
50:06
Speaker 3: I know how to be a great cast member, just
50:08
Speaker 3: not with them.
50:11
Speaker 1: Yeah, listen, you already even know on my head you
50:17
Speaker 1: are definitely the Ashley Darby a basketball why And that's
50:21
Speaker 1: the reason why I listen with a cop because you are.
50:26
Speaker 1: You also remind me of Canvas too, Like you, Candace
50:29
Speaker 1: and Ashley.
50:30
Speaker 2: Have this thing where you you.
50:32
Speaker 1: You three are beautiful petite ladies that your mouth is
50:38
Speaker 1: seven foot tall, and that to me is.
50:41
Speaker 3: What Wait a minute though, wait do wait on wait,
50:44
Speaker 3: wait wait a minute? Oh my god, this might get
50:52
Speaker 3: me in trouble. Yes, but one of those that you name,
51:01
Speaker 3: I'm not a real fan of her delivery of certain things.
51:09
Speaker 3: I'm not a big huge fan of Candace. I was
51:12
Speaker 3: all team Monique. I'm not even gonna lie to you,
51:15
Speaker 3: and some of my friends are a team Candace.
51:17
Speaker 4: Like we we have debated and gone back and forth.
51:22
Speaker 3: I feel like when I speak, and again this is
51:25
Speaker 3: my feelings.
51:25
Speaker 4: I'm speaking for myself.
51:27
Speaker 3: Because people, I'm like, I feel like what I speak,
51:35
Speaker 3: I don't immediately take it to hell, like you gotta
51:40
Speaker 3: go low with me first. You know, it's back in
51:44
Speaker 3: the day, like I grew up in the hood, Like
51:46
Speaker 3: you know, they hit you, you hit them back.
51:48
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying.
51:48
Speaker 3: But I never threw the first punch. So for me,
51:51
Speaker 3: it's like I can debate with you with words, which
51:53
Speaker 3: she's very good at. But then I feel like when
51:57
Speaker 3: she just gets triggered and it could be something so minor,
52:01
Speaker 3: did she just take that shit like to the grave.
52:06
Speaker 3: And I feel like if me and Kandace ever got
52:08
Speaker 3: into it, we would be in hell having a part.
52:13
Speaker 3: We would be in that this is dancing like a
52:15
Speaker 3: motherfucker line dancing, okay, shit, boots on the ground, like
52:20
Speaker 3: what you got next? Like that girl is brutal, Oh
52:26
Speaker 3: my god.
52:27
Speaker 4: And I'm sure she's sweet.
52:28
Speaker 3: Like that's the only time I would even have like
52:31
Speaker 3: an issue with her, like wait a minute, because everything else,
52:35
Speaker 3: like you said, like she's fun as hell. But we
52:38
Speaker 3: would have to probably almost like me and Sammy we
52:40
Speaker 3: had the hand in the face moment, like yeah, me
52:43
Speaker 3: and Kandas would have to have one of those moments
52:46
Speaker 3: and be like, okay, bitch, you could take it there too. Yeah, yeah,
52:53
Speaker 3: look at you.
52:55
Speaker 2: Ah, this is Carlos.
53:02
Speaker 4: I just wanted to say.
53:06
Speaker 3: I just had to say that because I know my friends,
53:09
Speaker 3: if they like watch this or will they watch it,
53:11
Speaker 3: They're gonna be like now you know damn well, I
53:14
Speaker 3: know they would say something.
53:15
Speaker 4: So I'm like, yes, roy.
53:21
Speaker 2: Royce, keep your phone off, but not only with that,
53:26
Speaker 2: don't listen. You have good commentary.
53:32
Speaker 4: Thank you. I try, you know, Royce, keep your baby okay.
53:38
Speaker 1: So look, yeah, this is not going to be the
53:41
Speaker 1: last time you see be a Royce this year.
53:43
Speaker 2: I can tell you that.
53:48
Speaker 4: I love that you got it. You gotta right around.
53:52
Speaker 3: Yeah, Royce, look, I love yo.
53:58
Speaker 2: I love you so much. I ain't drops.
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Speaker 1: Let us know what you thought about this conversation. There
54:04
Speaker 1: could be room for part two of this two with
54:06
Speaker 1: Royce read and some other things, So ray Drops, let
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Speaker 1: me know the comments. What you thought about this episode
54:13
Speaker 1: with the beautiful Royce read and keep your phone on?
54:18
Speaker 2: Honey the bells okay.
54:24
Speaker 4: Because I mean Florida is in the South.
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Speaker 2: I love you since to have a good one.
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Speaker 1: I'll see you soon, all right, you to love you baby.
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Speaker 1: A Reality with the King is executive produced by me
54:43
Speaker 1: Carlos King, produced by Lizzie Nimitz and a partnership.
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Speaker 2: With the Lack Effect Network.
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