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The $0 Secrets To Aligning With Your Values · Two Broke Chicks

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Speaker 1: This podcast is recorded on gadigal Land Always was, always
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Speaker 1: will be Aboriginal Land. Hey Chicks, I'm sal and I'm
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Speaker 1: out And this is Two Broke Chicks, the show that
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Speaker 1: shares life lessons and tips to help make you rich
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Speaker 1: in life.
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Speaker 2: And today we are joined.
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Speaker 1: By Millie Rose Banister, the founder of All Kind the
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Speaker 1: programs teaching Young Ozsie is how to safely and effectively
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Speaker 1: provide mental health support to people they care about. You
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Speaker 1: may also recognize her for her absolutely fucking iconic response
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Speaker 1: to a very disappointing question about new media and the
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Speaker 1: federal budget on a recent episode of the project, which
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Speaker 1: we will absolutely get into.
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Speaker 2: Welcome. I'm so excited to be I'm so excited.
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Speaker 1: We are so excited to have you. It's going to
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Speaker 1: be a good old chat. But we were saying off
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Speaker 1: air that before we get into the episodes, we love
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Speaker 1: to start with a life lesson of the week, So,
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Speaker 1: as our guest, would you like to kick us off?
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Speaker 2: So, like you were saying, I was down in Parliament
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Speaker 2: House last week and I've been thinking a lot because
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Speaker 2: I've come into the corporate world, like not having corporate experience,
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Speaker 2: and I've found myself in a lot of situations where
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Speaker 2: I'm supposed to like look and present myself in a
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Speaker 2: certain way that's really professional, right, And I don't necessarily
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Speaker 2: have corporate clothes, and I feel like they're really fucking expensive.
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Speaker 2: It's very intimidating to be like, oh, like I want to,
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Speaker 2: you know, bring in my personal style. Anyway, I don't
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Speaker 2: think you need corporate clothes, and I don't think you
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Speaker 2: do not need to go out to Myra and Q
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Speaker 2: and like buy all these expensive things. I think you
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Speaker 2: can totally do that if you want to, especially if
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Speaker 2: you're going for like a staple wardrobe thing. But I'm
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Speaker 2: just coming back to my passionate love of thrifting.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you were in a safe place here, Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And like last week and I had three outfits
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Speaker 2: that I needed for this parliament House situation and they're
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Speaker 2: all thrifted, and not by like choice, it's just what
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Speaker 2: I packed because my entire wardrobe is thrifted. And you know,
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Speaker 2: if we're thinking about corp where it's like a lot
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Speaker 2: of blazers, like what you chicks are wearing right now, Like,
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Speaker 2: I love it that that's your vibe, that's your style,
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Speaker 2: that's your personal bread blazer and so I was also
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Speaker 2: looking at like dish I love Female Founded, you know,
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Speaker 2: Ossie whatever. But I was looking at their winter coats
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Speaker 2: that have just like popped up in my emails, and
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Speaker 2: I'm like, these are so chic and they're so good looking,
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Speaker 2: but they're like, you know, three hundred and fifty dollars,
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Speaker 2: which I guess in the grand scheme of things isn't
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Speaker 2: huge for coat, but they're wool blended, but they're only
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Speaker 2: ten percent wool. Yeah, And I'm like, yeah, I just
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Speaker 2: like scored this ninety percent wool like coat, like tan
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Speaker 2: coat that's so gorgeous from like some kick ass woman
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Speaker 2: in the sixties, like wearing it like in cbed, you know,
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Speaker 2: to her corporate job. And I got it for one
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Speaker 2: hundred dollars and it's better quality and it's like lived
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Speaker 2: in and it's such a vibe.
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Speaker 1: I got a coat from Vinnie's when we're in Canberra
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Speaker 1: the dirty word, honestly, and.
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Speaker 2: The parliament women probably have all these like sheet clothes
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Speaker 2: that they just don't have even the men the best.
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Speaker 1: I got it from the men's section, like when we're
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Speaker 1: buying blazers or jackets or anything, like they're the jackets, blazers,
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Speaker 1: coats were straight to the men's and like digging in.
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Speaker 2: Their cotton shirts as well.
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Speaker 1: And I literally got the best coat again, Like I
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Speaker 1: swear it was like ninety percent wool or something and
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Speaker 1: it was sixty bucks. Yeah, they're earing him and hell
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Speaker 1: with me. Yeah. And also it means that nobody's going
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Speaker 1: to be wearing it either. Even if it's a staple
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Speaker 1: and a capsule piece and it's classic, it still means that,
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Speaker 1: like you're gonna walk into a room and nobody else
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Speaker 1: is going to have.
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Speaker 2: It, which is also Yeah.
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Speaker 1: And also when somebody's like, oh my god, I love
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Speaker 1: your blazer. Where did you get it? And you say it's.
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Speaker 2: En, I say that I feel bad too. But also
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Speaker 2: I'm like, but here like the best vintage ships so
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Speaker 2: you can get to your own unique piece.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that. That's a really good piece of advice.
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Speaker 1: What's your life lessen? Okay, so you're about to jump
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Speaker 1: on the table. I'm about to let Tom cruise this bitch.
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Speaker 1: I was thinking more cady ugly, but whatever, Yeah, we'll
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Speaker 1: go with that.
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Speaker 2: Okay.
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Speaker 1: So I have been on a very love hate relationship
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Speaker 1: with Pinterest because Pinterest is just full of ads. Like
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Speaker 1: I looked up leopard print pants and the first three
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Speaker 1: results were not leopid print pants. They were ads, and
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Speaker 1: it wasn't even leopard print pants, right. I have a
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Speaker 1: hack to get rid of all the ads on your Pinterest.
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Speaker 1: It is so good.
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Speaker 2: I don't know if.
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Speaker 1: This is a glitch in the system or whatever, but
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Speaker 1: if you hide on your feed five ads, it removes
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Speaker 1: all the ads, and then after a little while maybe
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Speaker 1: the cache resets or whatever, and some ads will maybe
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Speaker 1: pop up a little again. Once you hide them, they're
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Speaker 1: gone again. So when you go hide posts like this
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Speaker 1: on an ad, it goes away, and you just get
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Speaker 1: your Pinterest f paid back without seventy billion ads. And
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Speaker 1: I don't know if this is a glitch. If Pinterest
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Speaker 1: does see this and fix it, listen to your users.
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Speaker 1: There are too many ads on Pinterest, and I've had enough.
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Speaker 1: The fact that the usability of the app is botched
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Speaker 1: because a whole screen can be ads that aren't.
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Speaker 2: Even relevant to your search term.
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Speaker 1: Isn't even relevant to the search term. But I just
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Speaker 1: think is also really yuck. I think people are using
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Speaker 1: your app for a service, and I totally understand. You
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Speaker 1: have to make money. I was at a point that
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Speaker 1: I was like, I'll pay. Yeah. I was at a
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Speaker 1: point that I was like, I will pay like five dollars. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: i'll pay for you know, like YouTube, you do that
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Speaker 1: a free, I'll pay if you use a service enough.
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Speaker 1: I think it makes sense. I would literally pay five
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Speaker 1: dollars a month. I would probably pay ten dollars a
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Speaker 1: month to just get ad free Pinterest, but this, no,
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Speaker 1: I don't have to, but I really help. Pinterest does
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Speaker 1: and she did. But it's good because I feel like
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Speaker 1: I'm falling back in love with Pinterest again. Yeah, because
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Speaker 1: like before, I was like, what is this shit?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's pissing me off. I think it's a better
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Speaker 2: dopamine scroll as well, because it doesn't make you feel shit.
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Speaker 2: When you get off, you're like, okay, that was nice.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you don't spend money. We call it digital
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Speaker 1: window shopping.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's great. Love that Okay.
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Speaker 1: My life lesson of the week is that gen Z
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Speaker 1: and millennials will make up forty eight percent of the
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Speaker 1: vote in the next Australian election. Yeah, I'll know what you.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: So the twenty twenty five federal election is the first
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Speaker 1: time that gen Z and millennial Australians will actually out
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Speaker 1: vote baby.
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Speaker 2: Boomers, like there are more of us than baby.
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Speaker 1: Boomer voters for the first time, and so many young
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Speaker 1: people I think are really disenfranchised by politics in Australia
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Speaker 1: and feel like I'm just one person. My vote isn't
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Speaker 1: going to count. I don't even like any of the
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Speaker 1: people you know who are up in the running, which
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Speaker 1: you know, I understand, but also I do think that
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Speaker 1: it is on us, as young people and the future
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Speaker 1: of this country to educate ourselves and understand the power
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Speaker 1: of our vote.
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Speaker 2: And at the.
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Speaker 1: Time of when this episode will drop, the election is
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Speaker 1: coming up on the third of May. We have a
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Speaker 1: couple of weeks left. That is still plenty of time
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Speaker 1: to educate yourself. So we'll put some links in the
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Speaker 1: show notes so that you can listen up. Because I
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Speaker 1: was like, do you know what I feel like? We
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Speaker 1: were taught about how politics works in Australia and how
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Speaker 1: voting the voting system works in Australia. In year six,
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Speaker 1: we all went on a little trip to Canberra a tree,
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Speaker 1: yeah as a tree, and then yeah, we went to
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Speaker 1: questicon at the same time. And then you never really
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Speaker 1: kind of hear about it again in school, so we'll
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Speaker 1: put some links in the show notes. But Big Small
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Speaker 1: Talk did a really great episode recently unlike Australian Election
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Speaker 1: one oh one, which I think is really helpful and
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Speaker 1: puts it in like really understandable terms. We also have
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Speaker 1: an episode on its from the last last election. We
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Speaker 1: can link in the show notes on how voting works. Yes, yeah,
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Speaker 1: shall we get into the episode?
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Speaker 2: Love it?
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Speaker 1: Okay? So or anyone that missed it, can you give
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Speaker 1: us a little BTS recap on your recent trip to
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Speaker 1: Canberra and also what happened on the project?
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Speaker 2: Yep. So, the Minister for Finance and Women currently in government,
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Speaker 2: Katie Gallagher, she invited the group, the group that you've
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Speaker 2: seen all over you know, ABC and everything, which I
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Speaker 2: think is pretty iconic because she's Minister for Finance and
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Speaker 2: Minister for Women and she invited a bunch of young
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Speaker 2: women to the Federal budget lock up for the very
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Speaker 2: first time in history, and I think that's iconic in itself.
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Speaker 2: And she was just really like she didn't just humor us,
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Speaker 2: she like actually answered all of our questions and she's
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Speaker 2: super down to earth and so we all like packed
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Speaker 2: our little Blazers mind thrifted obviously, and we came down
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Speaker 2: to Canberra and yeah, like, as you said, I haven't
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Speaker 2: been particularly invested in politics, you know, ever, really like
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Speaker 2: it went over my head in year seven, and I
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Speaker 2: never really thought about it since I was overseas during
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Speaker 2: my kind of formative years, and so I wasn't voting
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Speaker 2: like I actually was some voting because I was overseas,
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Speaker 2: so I didn't really care or understand it. And I
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Speaker 2: think politics in general is exclusive by design, Like I
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Speaker 2: think it's supposed it's you know, it's written and it's
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Speaker 2: spoke spoken about in a really kind of complex way
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Speaker 2: that is supposed to go over our heads, specially women.
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Speaker 1: Confusing.
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Speaker 2: Yes, it's on purpose, Yeah, because they know that if
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Speaker 2: we get into their spaces and we understand things, we're
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Speaker 2: going to be asking too many critical questions to go.
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Speaker 1: Away to a second hold on? Yeah, is that then
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Speaker 1: what happens with this? And they're like, wait, no, we
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Speaker 1: don't want you to realize that.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're a nuisance. And that became the tone of
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Speaker 2: the reporting that happened around our presence, and I actually
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Speaker 2: didn't really think about the fact that it might get
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Speaker 2: picked up by media. It kind of just happened, and
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Speaker 2: I'm not really sure whether the minister's team thought about
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Speaker 2: that either, but we kind of went in to lock
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Speaker 2: up like two hours after the traditional press, including like
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Speaker 2: the daily ours, who were doing like a really epic
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Speaker 2: job of all that political reporting, and we kind of
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Speaker 2: like waltzed in and we're like, ah, and bring in
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Speaker 2: our snacks and our coffees. And I was sitting next
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Speaker 2: to Hanna Ferguson and we were like, okay, cool, what
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Speaker 2: do we do now? And then we got like given
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Speaker 2: the budget papers, which are usually a stack of papers
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Speaker 2: like wheeled like wheeled into the rooms. They're supposed to
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Speaker 2: be intimidating for journalists and you know this high, but
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Speaker 2: we got given a USB because it's twenty two and
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Speaker 2: fab and we like plung them into the laptops and
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Speaker 2: we're like, what the hell is going on here? And
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Speaker 2: so we kind of just like I was like command
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Speaker 2: effing like mental health and like women pay gap and
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Speaker 2: all of that kind of stuff that was interesting to
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Speaker 2: me and my audience and the people I represent. And
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Speaker 2: then we had like a revolving door of ministers coming
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Speaker 2: in from the Labor Party like to answer any particular
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Speaker 2: questions we had about you know, tax bracket creep and
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Speaker 2: cost of living and mental health in my case, and
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Speaker 2: we were able to ask unapproved critical questions about the
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Speaker 2: policies that were coming up in these budgets.
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Speaker 1: And that's really powerful, Yeah, that I want to highlight.
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Speaker 1: And what you've just said unapproved. You didn't send a
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Speaker 1: list of questions that they were like yep, you can
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Speaker 1: ask that one. No, you can't ask that one. And
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Speaker 1: that's really really key in that sentence as well.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought it was pretty cool. And then we
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Speaker 2: about forty minutes after we went to the press gallery
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Speaker 2: and watched Katie and the treasurer Jim Chalmers deliver their
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Speaker 2: press thing that they do to all of the traditional
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Speaker 2: journalists and everyone knows each other by name, and Jim's like, okay, Sally,
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Speaker 2: your next, and like Mark and da da da da
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Speaker 2: dah from all of the traditional outlets, and we kind
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Speaker 2: of like waltz in there like in our like hot outfits,
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Speaker 2: and we sit down at the back and everyone's like,
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Speaker 2: who the fuck are they? What outlet are they from?
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Speaker 2: And then I think it probably kind of just like
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Speaker 2: spread around. It's such a bubble, friend, Yeah, it's such
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Speaker 2: a bubble down there, and I never realized that. I've
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Speaker 2: only been there twice now and it has rewired a
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Speaker 2: part of my brand. I'm like, wow, I didn't know
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Speaker 2: that the decisions that were being made about us were
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Speaker 2: made in such a bubble because a lot of these people,
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Speaker 2: like they often live in Camera if they're you know,
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Speaker 2: from the Act or whatever, or if they don't live
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Speaker 2: in Canberra, they're living in you know, a really wealthy
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Speaker 2: suburb and travel to Canberra for like twenty weeks.
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Speaker 1: Out of that political journalists.
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Speaker 2: No, sorry, like the ministers, the people in that area,
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Speaker 2: the people passing these legislations and bills and everything about
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Speaker 2: our lives, like they're in this kind of bubble, and
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Speaker 2: I can.
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Speaker 1: Represent like a certain population of Australia that is.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. I think there's definitely diversity and there's epic people
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Speaker 2: in that building, but for a long time it's just
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Speaker 2: been like men in tires. Yeah, and the journalists have
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Speaker 2: also been that way as well. And so like the
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Speaker 2: journalists like, it must be such a tough fucking job,
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Speaker 2: because it is so I would be shitting myself if
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Speaker 2: I was on that floor asking you know, questions and stuff.
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Speaker 2: And trying to digest the federal budget like it is
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Speaker 2: so much information, so like, kudos to them, And I
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Speaker 2: think the whole point of us being there is not
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Speaker 2: to replace them. It's to be in addition to so
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Speaker 2: that we can speak to audiences who aren't reading the
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Speaker 2: Age or watching Q and A, but are scrolling their
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Speaker 2: social media feeds in like this quiet desperation to try
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Speaker 2: and figure out, like, well, why am I voting, who
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Speaker 2: am I voting for? And why does it matter to
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Speaker 2: my life? Like how is it going to affect me
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Speaker 2: and my decisions that I make every day.
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Speaker 1: It's also important to acknowledge the fact that again, like
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Speaker 1: you said, you're not trying to replace anyone or take
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Speaker 1: anyone's job, but political journalists they are the experts, if
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Speaker 1: you will, in this area. Right, They're in this bubble,
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Speaker 1: that's their bread and butter. The way that they are
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Speaker 1: also going to communicate that as an expert is someone
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Speaker 1: who is quite well versed in that. And I think
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Speaker 1: the role of new media is so key because for
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Speaker 1: so many people, as we've said at the start of
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Speaker 1: this episode, it's confusing. So new media coming in can
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Speaker 1: then translate in a way that the audiences of GenZ
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Speaker 1: and millennials can understand because as well, we have different interests.
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Speaker 1: We have different interests in what we want to see
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Speaker 1: in the budget versus maybe a fifty year old white
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Speaker 1: man who lives in Mossman. You know, like there are
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Speaker 1: different expectations of what we want to see. And so
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Speaker 1: isn't more people understanding and having politics communicated to them
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Speaker 1: in a way that they understand and is important to
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Speaker 1: them better for everyone? But I think that's what's the
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Speaker 1: fear of maybe some that already existed, because, like you said,
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Speaker 1: they don't want us to understand because then we are
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Speaker 1: asking more questions and we're more equipped with the knowledge. Yeah, exactly.
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Speaker 1: And I think it's important that we're speaking to people
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Speaker 1: where they will actually hear it, yes, and social media
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Speaker 1: is where young people hear it.
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Speaker 2: But we did touch on it briefly.
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Speaker 1: That you did go viral for your spot on the
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Speaker 1: project following the budget as well, and following a lot
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Speaker 1: of these headlines about new media and their role you
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Speaker 1: know at these sort of events. Yeah, can you walk
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Speaker 1: us through what happened? And I guess like your biggest
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Speaker 1: takeaway from that experience as well?
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Speaker 2: So I was on the air live for like two
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Speaker 2: to three minutes on the project, and they pitched it
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Speaker 2: to me, like a producer chatted to me for like
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Speaker 2: ten minutes to see if I wanted to do it,
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Speaker 2: and he was like really lovely, and he was really
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Speaker 2: kind of like, I guess, backing me in in terms
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Speaker 2: of like, you know, traditional media like having a real
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Speaker 2: crack at us and the project just wanting to kind
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Speaker 2: of dig a little bit into that, but also like
15:55
Speaker 2: keep it like harder and ask me what snacks we
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Speaker 2: brought into lock up and things like that, and you know,
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Speaker 2: also touching on the seriousness of you know, the lack
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Speaker 2: of mental health funding and things like that. And I
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Speaker 2: was like, okay, cool, I can do this. Yeah, And
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Speaker 2: then so I get on and they don't ask any
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Speaker 2: questions that he's suggested. They just asked me like, you know,
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Speaker 2: how to go viral and like how to do it
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Speaker 2: get ready with me? And yeah, whether I taught elbow
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Speaker 2: delulu with no cululu and things like that, and like
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Speaker 2: all of that's funny, Like it's fine. It's part of
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Speaker 2: like you know, potentially our makeup and our culture online,
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Speaker 2: Like that's all fine, But the fact that they didn't
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Speaker 2: ask me anything about like what's in the budget for
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Speaker 2: young people? Why I was there, like why I deserved
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Speaker 2: a place, you know, in that room, that kind of thing,
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Speaker 2: And so I kind of just came off it like
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Speaker 2: incredibly deflated, and I was like, what the fuck just happened?
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Speaker 2: And I didn't even say thank you, Like I didn't
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Speaker 2: even say thanks for having me when they say goodbye,
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Speaker 2: because I was like, I didn't have a good time,
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Speaker 2: Like I'm not saying thank you because I had a
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Speaker 2: shit time for.
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Speaker 1: The chicks who have missed it. What was your response
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Speaker 1: to the question.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so they were asking actually about Jim Chalmers delivered
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Speaker 2: the budget, how would he go viral? And I was like, no,
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Speaker 2: like not to get ready with me. Maybe if he
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Speaker 2: dropped some funding that was really crucial to mental health,
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Speaker 2: that would go viral. And I think that I don't know.
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Speaker 2: I think by the end of it, I was just
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Speaker 2: so frustrated and I'd gone a bit numb, and I
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Speaker 2: just like threw that out there because I was I
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Speaker 2: was annoyed, and it was.
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Speaker 1: When I watched it, I was like, that would have
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Speaker 1: been so easy to go deer in headlights and like
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Speaker 1: laugh at all they're like the quick witted response to that,
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Speaker 1: I was like, fuck, yeah, yeah you didn't, and you
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Speaker 1: said it so straight faced because that is the truth.
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Speaker 1: That is what would go viral with young people. And
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Speaker 1: you should be really proud of yourself because I think
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Speaker 1: it would be really easy to be like yeah, like yeah,
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Speaker 1: because it's scary.
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Speaker 2: You're on Life TV.
18:00
Speaker 1: You're being purposely intimidated by people who were the famous
18:04
Speaker 1: in Australia as well, Like they're well known.
18:06
Speaker 2: People I really respect as well, like Balie, Like I
18:10
Speaker 2: he's been like an incredible journalist and someone that I've
18:13
Speaker 2: looked up to, like I studied journalism and like he's amazing.
18:15
Speaker 2: And then for me to be able to be interviewed
18:18
Speaker 2: by him and for him to ask me those questions
18:20
Speaker 2: was like such a let down. It's a real shame.
18:22
Speaker 1: But I think you should be really proud of yourself.
18:24
Speaker 1: And I honestly think that perhaps, you know, maybe even
18:28
Speaker 1: if they'd ask some of those questions, as annoying as
18:30
Speaker 1: it is, like if they asked the questions that you
18:32
Speaker 1: were prepped on, you probably would have given really helpful answers, yeah,
18:36
Speaker 1: which would have been great. But I almost think that
18:38
Speaker 1: in this case of silver lining is that it did
18:40
Speaker 1: create a viral moment and it pointed out that you
18:43
Speaker 1: and the people who were invited to Canberra deserve to
18:46
Speaker 1: be there because you have important things to say, and
18:49
Speaker 1: in that moment you said something really important that I
18:52
Speaker 1: think made a huge impact, even if it wasn't what
18:55
Speaker 1: you were originally prepped on.
18:57
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, and I think it just summed up
18:59
Speaker 2: like the frustration that young people have in general and
19:02
Speaker 2: the stereotypes around gen Z.
19:04
Speaker 1: But that's all you would have to comment on that.
19:07
Speaker 1: That's all you would know is that everyone will get
19:09
Speaker 1: ready and.
19:10
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.
19:12
Speaker 1: But for people who do want to see improvements in
19:16
Speaker 1: mental health support in Australia, what should we be paying
19:20
Speaker 1: attention to in the next federal election.
19:23
Speaker 2: This is a great question. I've started a series on
19:27
Speaker 2: my social channels called vote like You mean It because
19:29
Speaker 2: exactly like you were saying before, you know, we're uninformed
19:32
Speaker 2: intentionally by design. And it can feel really overwhelming. Because
19:39
Speaker 2: I said this the other day to someone at the ABC,
19:42
Speaker 2: which I felt bad in the moment about, but I
19:45
Speaker 2: think it's really true. We've inherited a bin fire and
19:48
Speaker 2: been given a water pistol, like it's so hard to
19:51
Speaker 2: feel any sense of hope at the moment. But I
19:54
Speaker 2: think what I want to kind of generate within this
19:57
Speaker 2: series is not just like you know, Civic's one on one,
20:01
Speaker 2: but it's also this sense of optimism and being able
20:04
Speaker 2: to use our vote in an informed and powerful way.
20:07
Speaker 2: I never want to tell anyone to vote for who
20:09
Speaker 2: to vote for, but I just want them to vote
20:11
Speaker 2: informed and with a little bit more optimism than what
20:15
Speaker 2: we've had in the past. And so, like you said,
20:19
Speaker 2: we you know, young people make up the biggest voting block.
20:24
Speaker 2: But I also think that it's interesting that we're kind
20:27
Speaker 2: of moving away from this two party system. So the
20:30
Speaker 2: last election, thirty percent of Aussie's, like one in three
20:33
Speaker 2: of us were voting outside the two party system. So
20:35
Speaker 2: that means that we're voting for the Greens, we're voting
20:37
Speaker 2: for independence. There's twenty eight independent women running for MP
20:42
Speaker 2: positions or defending them around Australia. We've got one hundred
20:45
Speaker 2: and fifty electorates. We all live in one of them.
20:48
Speaker 2: I think you and I live in the same one
20:49
Speaker 2: with a Leger Spender as our MP, and so she's
20:53
Speaker 2: obviously an independent and she flipped a liberal seat, this
20:57
Speaker 2: liberal dude, and you know, ever since, she's been kind
21:01
Speaker 2: of campaigning for things that are very values led, that
21:04
Speaker 2: aligned with my values. And so you know, we've got
21:09
Speaker 2: this like sense of hope in the air that you know,
21:12
Speaker 2: we've got the young voters, we've got this cognition around
21:16
Speaker 2: voting outside the two party system. Imagine if we had
21:20
Speaker 2: like the people in power, were you know, a coalition
21:23
Speaker 2: between the Greens and some independence, Like how sick would
21:25
Speaker 2: that be? Yeah? That would be incredible.
21:27
Speaker 1: Even I would say that I'm guilty of being like fucked.
21:33
Speaker 1: You can just be like ough, like it just sometimes
21:35
Speaker 1: feel lack, you're pushing a boulder upper hill in these scenarios.
21:40
Speaker 1: But it is a really good reminder to focus on
21:44
Speaker 1: the fact that, you know, gen z and millennials are
21:46
Speaker 1: making up forty eight percent of voting this year, and
21:50
Speaker 1: that more Greens and teels and independents are stepping into
21:53
Speaker 1: roles that you know, they can do more in. So
21:56
Speaker 1: it is really good to maybe take that mentality.
21:59
Speaker 2: As well when we do go to the federal election
22:01
Speaker 2: May three. We've got two papers, one of them obviously
22:04
Speaker 2: the Senate, one of them the House of Reps, which
22:06
Speaker 2: are our local MPs, the one hundred and fifty of them.
22:09
Speaker 2: But we're voting for our one, our top spot, who
22:12
Speaker 2: we want to represent our area and our issues at
22:15
Speaker 2: a national scale, and obviously we number those like preferentially,
22:19
Speaker 2: which is sick because that means unlike in America, where
22:23
Speaker 2: the person who wins has just the loudest fan base,
22:27
Speaker 2: we actually end up with someone who has like the
22:29
Speaker 2: broadest level of support, which is it means that we
22:32
Speaker 2: can vote more honestly and not just strategically, because I
22:35
Speaker 2: think if we're in America, we'd go, oh, she won't win,
22:38
Speaker 2: so I won't vote for her because I want to
22:40
Speaker 2: use my vote for someone who could win, and so
22:42
Speaker 2: they're never getting a chance. So I think that's really sick.
22:46
Speaker 2: And I think like being really intentional about you know,
22:48
Speaker 2: numbering like one to eight, really thinking about that, and
22:52
Speaker 2: you know, you can do your own research in the meantime,
22:54
Speaker 2: like there is still time. You can go to websites
22:58
Speaker 2: like how they vote, so you can look in and
23:00
Speaker 2: dig up their voting history, so it's not just like
23:02
Speaker 2: what is on their billboards, but like how did they vote,
23:05
Speaker 2: did they vote against protecting climate but wait, happens really? Yeah,
23:10
Speaker 2: I didn't know about mental health. Yeah, so you can
23:14
Speaker 2: like bring up receipts of like what they're actually voting for. Yeah,
23:17
Speaker 2: so that's really important for like transparency and making that
23:20
Speaker 2: your values are upheld by the person the money. Yeah.
23:23
Speaker 2: And then you've got the Senate paper and there you
23:28
Speaker 2: can vote above the line, which is kind of where
23:29
Speaker 2: you vote for the parties like Okay, cool, I'm going
23:31
Speaker 2: to vote Greens or the Independence or Labor whatever. But
23:35
Speaker 2: if you vote below the line, which takes a little
23:37
Speaker 2: bit longer, you can actually number your individuals. So if
23:41
Speaker 2: you don't necessarily trust the party that you're voting for
23:44
Speaker 2: to choose those individuals on your behalf, you can actually
23:47
Speaker 2: like reward individuals based on you know, their lived experience,
23:50
Speaker 2: their voting history, things like that. So there's these like
23:54
Speaker 2: little things that you can do that kind of give
23:57
Speaker 2: your vote that little bit more power as well that
23:59
Speaker 2: we might not really think about because no one teaches us.
24:02
Speaker 1: Yeah, do you have like a list of websites or
24:05
Speaker 1: resources that people can use during their research for the
24:08
Speaker 1: upcoming election?
24:10
Speaker 2: Yeah, so how they vote is the digging up those
24:12
Speaker 2: receipts of voting history. You just type in an MP
24:15
Speaker 2: or senator and it pulls it right up, which is sick.
24:19
Speaker 2: Vote Compass by the ABC has come back this year,
24:21
Speaker 2: which is great because you can kind of see like, Okay, well,
24:23
Speaker 2: if I'm just going to vote for a party, I
24:24
Speaker 2: want to see like where I'm aligning as well. And
24:28
Speaker 2: then also like podcasts like this one and Hannah Ferguson's
24:31
Speaker 2: and you know, like my series Vote like you mean it,
24:33
Speaker 2: Like I think there's oh and the ABC is doing
24:37
Speaker 2: some really cool kind of just like civix one oh
24:40
Speaker 2: one as well, Like there's so many cool people breaking
24:44
Speaker 2: things down in a really digestible way because of the
24:48
Speaker 2: fact that young people now make up the biggest voting block.
24:51
Speaker 2: I think I also read somewhere that by the time
24:54
Speaker 2: May three rolls around and everyone's in role to vote,
24:56
Speaker 2: you know, potentially for the first time as an eighteen
24:58
Speaker 2: year old, it might actually even be just slightly over
25:01
Speaker 2: above fifty percent, which is sick. So do with that
25:05
Speaker 2: what you will. Let's go.
25:09
Speaker 1: Yeah. Also the AAC website as well. If you're not
25:13
Speaker 1: even be sure what electorate you belong to, if you've
25:15
Speaker 1: moved or maybe you've just turned eighteen or you've forgotten
25:19
Speaker 1: in the last three years which electorate you are, Like
25:21
Speaker 1: you can also go there and look it up and
25:23
Speaker 1: find out the people that could be representing you, look
25:25
Speaker 1: at the policies and do your research from there as well.
25:29
Speaker 2: It's a really helpful resource. Yeah, and they're also like
25:32
Speaker 2: the MP's right, the one out of one hundred and
25:37
Speaker 2: fifty electorates like our local like a Leger spender that
25:39
Speaker 2: you'll see them ever at the moment, like they're buying
25:41
Speaker 2: the most amount of sausages in Australia because they're at
25:44
Speaker 2: markets shaking hands and they're doing a baby's and one
25:48
Speaker 2: hundred percent. Because they want people to know them. And
25:50
Speaker 2: so if you see them, like go up and ask
25:52
Speaker 2: them questions, just be like, hey, so I heard this,
25:54
Speaker 2: and like what do you think about this? Like they're
25:56
Speaker 2: just people, you know, they're just really cool people, especially
25:59
Speaker 2: like the in is in the minors, who like didn't
26:02
Speaker 2: do this as a career, Like they're not lawyers, Like
26:05
Speaker 2: they didn't do this like to become, you know, a
26:08
Speaker 2: type of person. They did this because their constituents, their
26:10
Speaker 2: people begged them too, because they're the only people that
26:14
Speaker 2: are like representing their actual issues. Yeah, so they're just
26:16
Speaker 2: human like like you and I, and I think it's
26:18
Speaker 2: really sick to either follow them on social media and
26:20
Speaker 2: like get to know what they're interested in, what they're
26:24
Speaker 2: fighting for. But then if you can like go and
26:26
Speaker 2: shake the hand and just be like, okay, so why
26:28
Speaker 2: should I vote for you?
26:29
Speaker 1: Yeah, and don't feel like you have to have like
26:32
Speaker 1: the most well thought out, statistically backed question es.
26:37
Speaker 2: Yeah.
26:37
Speaker 1: Literally, like guy will just ask as you care about
26:41
Speaker 1: the values that you have, because I think that's one
26:43
Speaker 1: thing that we can find intimidating is like, am I
26:46
Speaker 1: like sounding smart enough or understanding enough? And that's definitely
26:50
Speaker 1: something that even when you're having those questions about like
26:53
Speaker 1: and conversations around the gender pay gap, that you feel
26:55
Speaker 1: like you've got to go in and have like all
26:58
Speaker 1: these statistics behind you to even open up that conversation.
27:01
Speaker 1: But you don't, like that's why it's a conversation. But
27:04
Speaker 1: speaking of resources, the biggest barrier to mental health support
27:09
Speaker 1: is the cost. So do you have any other free
27:13
Speaker 1: or budget friendly resources that can help support mental health
27:17
Speaker 1: in Australia.
27:19
Speaker 2: Yeah, So it's pretty wild because like the stats here
27:24
Speaker 2: in Australia for mental illness and young people dying by
27:28
Speaker 2: taking their own life are exceptionally high for a developed country,
27:32
Speaker 2: and one in three young people are currently in a
27:35
Speaker 2: state of like high or very high psychological distress, which
27:38
Speaker 2: is so wild. And I don't think mental health exists
27:42
Speaker 2: in isolation, Like it's baked into cost of living because
27:47
Speaker 2: that equates to being able to afford mental health services
27:50
Speaker 2: or paying your rent, and it affects, you know, at
27:53
Speaker 2: its baseline, your sense of safety and stability, like if
27:56
Speaker 2: you can't find a place to live, how you're supposed
27:58
Speaker 2: to have any hope for the future or any level
28:01
Speaker 2: of self esteem, So zero dollar or you know, low
28:05
Speaker 2: cost options for mental wellbeing are crucially important. And I
28:10
Speaker 2: think as I reflect on my own experiences of when
28:14
Speaker 2: I've been at my lowest, I you know, in hindsight,
28:21
Speaker 2: have started with the like the basic hierarchy of needs,
28:25
Speaker 2: like you know that meme that's like floating around where
28:27
Speaker 2: it's like you've got the baseline all the way up
28:29
Speaker 2: to the pinnacle, which is like things like you know,
28:32
Speaker 2: self esteem and self actualization, Like you can't get to
28:35
Speaker 2: that top peak bit if you don't have the baseline there,
28:39
Speaker 2: and it sounds really boring, but it's things that you
28:42
Speaker 2: can nourish yourself with and flood yourself with, like whole
28:46
Speaker 2: foods and sleep and getting sunlight and like lowering your
28:50
Speaker 2: screen time. Like it's so boring, but it's so crucial.
28:55
Speaker 2: And you know, if you can go to bed an
28:58
Speaker 2: hour earlier, like that could really help bring you up
29:01
Speaker 2: to a level where you're then able to start looking
29:03
Speaker 2: at things like seeking support from you know, a psych
29:07
Speaker 2: or talking to friends about it. I think we kind
29:10
Speaker 2: of miss that stage there where we go, Okay, cool,
29:13
Speaker 2: why don't you just go call a helpline or like
29:16
Speaker 2: see a therapist, And it's like, I actually can't get
29:20
Speaker 2: out of bed, Like I actually can't text my friends back.
29:23
Speaker 2: I can't do any of that until I'm able to actually,
29:28
Speaker 2: you know, survive. So that's really really critically important. And
29:33
Speaker 2: then when we look at you know, focusing beyond that,
29:38
Speaker 2: and you know, maybe it is time or you do
29:41
Speaker 2: want to seek support from a mental health professional. Telehealth
29:45
Speaker 2: is a cheaper option to in person visits, and obviously
29:50
Speaker 2: that starts with you know, seeing a GP. A lot
29:52
Speaker 2: of them you know, are either subsidized or bulk build.
29:58
Speaker 2: You can find like a your closest bulk build GP
30:03
Speaker 2: via health Direct just like do a little filtered search
30:07
Speaker 2: and then you can go and get a mental health
30:09
Speaker 2: care plan. There's only ten sessions at the moment, which sucks,
30:12
Speaker 2: And so yeah, your GP wants you to do like
30:15
Speaker 2: the six come back and like if you still want
30:17
Speaker 2: the full ten, you can access the full ten. Like
30:19
Speaker 2: that's what it's there for. But telehealth is a cheaper option,
30:22
Speaker 2: and there's a bunch of sites and I'm going to
30:23
Speaker 2: give you guys, like an actual list to put in
30:26
Speaker 2: your show notes of like where to go love it. Yeah,
30:29
Speaker 2: I love a cheat sheet Happy brain cheat sheet. Yeah,
30:32
Speaker 2: because there's a site that I use where you can
30:34
Speaker 2: filter by I want to access like the more experienced
30:39
Speaker 2: psychologists who have been in the industry longer. I'll pay
30:41
Speaker 2: the forty dollars gap or I just want someone that
30:43
Speaker 2: I can chat to tomorrow that's bull built, so you
30:48
Speaker 2: can then kind of yeah, filter by that as well,
30:51
Speaker 2: which I think is really important because wait times out
30:54
Speaker 2: of it. Yeah, and like having to drive to an appointment,
30:58
Speaker 2: like all of that, all of those accessibility issues can
31:02
Speaker 2: really present a huge barrier to someone who's already not
31:05
Speaker 2: feeling well, So telehealth for sure, and then I'd love
31:09
Speaker 2: to talk to you about the mental health swaps as well. Yes,
31:14
Speaker 2: easy kind of mental health swaps that I guess are
31:16
Speaker 2: kind of like you know, low cost mental health tools
31:20
Speaker 2: as well. So something that really helped me at the
31:23
Speaker 2: start of this year was reframing the idea of a
31:26
Speaker 2: routine into a ritual. Like I'm a full like anti
31:30
Speaker 2: routine girl. I'm like that makes me feel sick. I
31:34
Speaker 2: love that, a soft, living, girly like. I don't want
31:37
Speaker 2: to be told what to do. I just want to
31:39
Speaker 2: like cruise and like be gentle and like. But also
31:42
Speaker 2: I need structure. Yeah, and I feel good totally. And
31:46
Speaker 2: it's really important as human beings that we have some
31:49
Speaker 2: level of like control over our structure. That really helps,
31:52
Speaker 2: especially if you're feeling completely untethered, like feeling grounded in
31:55
Speaker 2: some sort of little ritual, whether it's a morning ritual
31:58
Speaker 2: or a night ritual or a lunchtime ritual, whatever it is.
32:01
Speaker 2: But part of my morning ritual is doing the five
32:03
Speaker 2: minute Gratitude Journal. It's like twenty dollars on Amazon. We know,
32:08
Speaker 2: you know the science of gratitude and all of that
32:09
Speaker 2: kind of stuff. It can be hard to do when
32:12
Speaker 2: you're feeling like absolute shit, but it is important for
32:15
Speaker 2: kind of rewiring the filters in your brain to like
32:18
Speaker 2: look for the positives when we're actually wired to look
32:21
Speaker 2: for the negatives, and that kind of confirmation bias of like,
32:25
Speaker 2: oh another negative thing, Oh another negative thing. Yeah, I'm shit,
32:28
Speaker 2: the world's shit, But kind of training yourself to look
32:31
Speaker 2: for those little glimmers and the confirmation bias of like, oh,
32:35
Speaker 2: look at that glimmer, Like I knew I was going
32:36
Speaker 2: to have a good day. Look at that, Like that's great.
32:38
Speaker 2: That's like confirming that, like I'm where I'm supposed to be.
32:41
Speaker 2: Whatever kind of makes you feel something. It doesn't have
32:44
Speaker 2: to be like tangible, You don't have to explain it
32:46
Speaker 2: to anyone else. It can just exist in here. So
32:50
Speaker 2: I do that as part of my little ritual. Another
32:54
Speaker 2: thing like this is a little bit niche, but animal
32:58
Speaker 2: assisted therapy so.
33:01
Speaker 1: Yes, as yeah.
33:06
Speaker 2: So when I started all kind and then I adopted
33:11
Speaker 2: this tiny little rescue to our ish dog. She's hilarious
33:16
Speaker 2: and it's Frankie, and we went through together over four weeks.
33:20
Speaker 2: The community version of therapy dog training. So obviously I'm
33:26
Speaker 2: not a clinical practitioner and that's a different course, but
33:30
Speaker 2: I'm like a community practitioner, Like I host events with
33:33
Speaker 2: you know, all kind and we work with young people
33:35
Speaker 2: and you know, meet people all the time, where having
33:41
Speaker 2: an animal in the room can really act as like
33:44
Speaker 2: this conversation starter. It like diffuses weird energy. It's super helpful.
33:49
Speaker 2: And so when I was doing that course, there was
33:53
Speaker 2: all of this research that they got us to read.
33:56
Speaker 2: And one of the really cool things about being in
33:59
Speaker 2: a room with an animal, and like especially if you're
34:01
Speaker 2: making physical contact with that animal, is that they can
34:04
Speaker 2: actually convert our attachment style from insecure to secure, whereas
34:08
Speaker 2: people can't really do that or it's a lot harder.
34:12
Speaker 2: And that's because they're actually rewiring our brains to expect
34:16
Speaker 2: care and connection rather than fear or abandonment. And actually,
34:20
Speaker 2: isn't that precious? So beautiful? So either a doctor dog
34:26
Speaker 2: like I did, don't do anything irresponsible because that makes
34:28
Speaker 2: your mental health way worse. But she genuinely changed my life,
34:32
Speaker 2: like she genuinely helped my crippling anxiety disorder. She comes
34:36
Speaker 2: to work with me, she comes to meetings and shoots
34:40
Speaker 2: and events and everything, and when she's in a room
34:42
Speaker 2: for the young people, so many people or the animal
34:45
Speaker 2: loving people are just like drawn to her. And then
34:49
Speaker 2: the other swap that I've made, and this is a
34:51
Speaker 2: little bit more like philosophical, if you will, but it's
34:56
Speaker 2: the idea that like, as people who work in social
34:59
Speaker 2: media and have sell ourselves all the time, and for
35:02
Speaker 2: anyone really who is trying to like convey in their
35:05
Speaker 2: LinkedIn profile or their Instagram buy or whatever it is,
35:08
Speaker 2: who they are within like eighty characters, that weirdly like
35:13
Speaker 2: black mirror esque starts to become like what you think
35:16
Speaker 2: of yourself, because when you try and like condense your
35:19
Speaker 2: entire complex human beingness into like a tagline, that's like
35:24
Speaker 2: who you believe you are, because you feel like you
35:27
Speaker 2: have to show up as that for your audience or
35:29
Speaker 2: for your friends. And so I've started trying to like
35:33
Speaker 2: shift that from being in writing to being in action,
35:38
Speaker 2: because there's this concept where if you are, you know,
35:42
Speaker 2: any one particular day, say if you go for a
35:44
Speaker 2: run that day, you're a runner, right like you are
35:48
Speaker 2: what you do. And so the idea that we can
35:52
Speaker 2: take really small actions like today I am a really
35:56
Speaker 2: good friend and I'm going to call that mate that
35:59
Speaker 2: I haven't tried to in a little while, or yeah,
36:02
Speaker 2: whatever it is. You can actually kind of change who
36:04
Speaker 2: you are based on what you do, because that rewires
36:07
Speaker 2: your brain. It signals back to you like I am
36:10
Speaker 2: what I say I am, and that's because I'm doing
36:13
Speaker 2: things that I'm choosing to do. They align with my values.
36:16
Speaker 2: And that's kind of like making me feel more comfortable
36:18
Speaker 2: in my sense of identity because I feel better about
36:21
Speaker 2: the way that I'm presenting myself to the world. And
36:23
Speaker 2: it's not about that. It's not about you presenting a
36:25
Speaker 2: certain type of person, because that can be quite confusing
36:29
Speaker 2: and get a little bit shit. But it's about who
36:33
Speaker 2: you're telling your brain that you are. I think that's important. Yeah, exactly, Yeah,
36:38
Speaker 2: totally completely. And then the last one as well, if
36:42
Speaker 2: we're talking about like calling friends and stuff, I am
36:45
Speaker 2: like a really awkward, socially awkward person. Like I find
36:48
Speaker 2: it really hard to like be in groups. I find
36:50
Speaker 2: it even hard to like pick up the phone and
36:52
Speaker 2: like talk to my friends on the phone. I'm like
36:54
Speaker 2: really awkward. I'm like, so, how was your day? Yeah?
36:58
Speaker 1: Relatable?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, but walking.
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Speaker 1: So the.
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Speaker 2: It's really interesting because, especially if you're an overthinker like me,
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Speaker 2: walking uses the same part of your brain that overthinking does.
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Speaker 2: So it's something to do with like the rhythm and
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Speaker 2: the bilateral stimulation of both sides of your brain when
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Speaker 2: you're walking, you can't actually really overthink at the same time.
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Speaker 2: They're using the same part of the brain. So I've
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Speaker 2: started like either voice noting or calling my friends or
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Speaker 2: my mom or whoever while I'm walking and I'm like, oh,
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Speaker 2: this is a breeze, or if you're feeling like completely overwhelmed,
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Speaker 2: or if you're if you've got like circular thinking patterns
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Speaker 2: that you just absolutely can't get out of. Like people
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Speaker 2: you know always tell you to go for a walk
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Speaker 2: and like God, sit out in the sun with a banana,
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Speaker 2: and it's like, fuck, I know, yeah, but walking or
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Speaker 2: running if that's your thing, really helps.
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Speaker 1: I'm a slut for a brain hack, like yeah, And
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Speaker 1: I truly think that is the key people like, the
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Speaker 1: key learning that people need to hear of being like, yeah,
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Speaker 1: I know, going for a walk is good for my
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Speaker 1: mental health. Like I know, but like we've said, sometimes
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Speaker 1: just getting yourself out the door is the hardest thing.
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Speaker 1: But if you look at it being like I will
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Speaker 1: stop thinking about this if I go for a walk
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Speaker 1: or overthinking about this. If I go for a walk,
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Speaker 1: that's gonna get your ask or quicker. Then you can
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Speaker 1: say chocolate croissant.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're gonna wrap with one final question.
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Speaker 1: So you created the Good Mate training program, which is
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Speaker 1: like first aid for mental health. Can you talk us
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Speaker 1: through the program and the skills that you would get
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Speaker 1: from completing that training.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. So we know from research that majority of people,
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Speaker 2: young people particularly, they go to each other first before
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Speaker 2: they go to a trusted adult or a professional. And
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Speaker 2: yet as the first responders, we have zero training in
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Speaker 2: what to say, what to do, and that can become
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Speaker 2: a real sticking point. Like a lot of people feel
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Speaker 2: really really anxious about either responding to someone who's like
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Speaker 2: actually seeking support and is like hey, I'm not okay,
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Speaker 2: can you help me? Or actually taking upon themselves to
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Speaker 2: go and ask someone if they're okay. Like that's a
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Speaker 2: really hard thing to do, and that's kind of our
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Speaker 2: sticking point, you know, across Australia with young people, and
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Speaker 2: so we kind of teach, you know, how to do that,
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Speaker 2: like practically because I think if you can, you know,
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Speaker 2: learn how to do that, it becomes a lot more
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Speaker 2: feasible and a lot easier to do. And so we
39:34
Speaker 2: learn like how to recognize when someone's you know, not okay,
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Speaker 2: how to have a supportive convo without needing to fix
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Speaker 2: someone where, and how to refer someone on to an
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Speaker 2: actual professional because you never need to become someone's therapist
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Speaker 2: for so many different reasons. But then also how to
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Speaker 2: look after yourself in the process. And it's short, and
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Speaker 2: it's free, and it's online and yeah, it takes about
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Speaker 2: sixty minutes and it won't bore you to tears, because
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Speaker 2: I think there's so many barriers to mental health education
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Speaker 2: and support and so this is just something that you know,
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Speaker 2: you can become a certified good mate in sixty minutes
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Speaker 2: for free online, Like why wouldn't you do it if
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Speaker 2: you want to actually like be there for your group
40:19
Speaker 2: chat or be there for your best friend, because we
40:21
Speaker 2: all go through shit and being able to yeah, help
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Speaker 2: someone also makes you feel good and it makes you
40:27
Speaker 2: feel connected and yet know that you'll be supported in
40:34
Speaker 2: return when that time comes. And I think also through
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Speaker 2: education and mental health literacy comes this level of compassion
40:39
Speaker 2: as well, like understanding of other people's experiences but also
40:44
Speaker 2: of your own because with you know language, you're able
40:47
Speaker 2: to kind of label things, and that in itself gives
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Speaker 2: you power. I love that. It's so cool. I'm going
40:53
Speaker 2: to do it. Yeah, I'm like so many.
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Speaker 1: Situations where I feel like I would have really benefited
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Speaker 1: from that, And there's so much pressure taking on that conversation.
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Speaker 1: You don't want to say the wrong thing. So I
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Speaker 1: think this is such a helpful resource. We'll put the
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Speaker 1: links in the show, not for sure, but we'll wrap
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Speaker 1: up here and we will definitely have you on for
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Speaker 1: a part.
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Speaker 2: Two because obviously we've had the worst time ship chat.
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Speaker 1: It's been so great having you on. Thank you so
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Speaker 1: much for making the time, and yeah we'll get you
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Speaker 1: on for a part two.
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Speaker 2: Amazing see. Yeah, thank you so much.
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Speaker 1: Thanks Chie, love you by bye. Thanks for m ik
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Speaker 1: made for making today's episode happen