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Herb Baumeister & Fox Hollow Farm (Feat. JJ Vance) · Cosmic Peach

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  Speaker 1: Don't fuck with me, fellas!
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  Speaker 3: This ain't my first time at the rodeo.
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  Speaker 4: Here we go.
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  Speaker 3: Howdy, folks. Your host, Double J, back here, coming at
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  Speaker 3: you live slash live from the chili dog capital of America,
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  Speaker 3: the city of Cincinnati, aka the San Diego of the Midwest,
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  Speaker 3: according to some folks. I'm not sure who they are. Anyhow,
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  Speaker 3: welcome back here, folks. Once again, your host of Operation
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  Speaker 3: GCD right here, JJ Vance, not the vice president. part-time
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  Speaker 3: vampire hunter. It's spooky season here all month, folks, here
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  Speaker 3: at Operation GCD. Welcome back here, folks. I'll be your
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  Speaker 3: pilot and navigator here for tonight's shenanigan-infused journeys. Into the
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  Speaker 3: mind of this here particular garbage can, dude. And like
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  Speaker 3: I said, folks, got a real spooky tale tonight, not
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  Speaker 3: gonna lie to you. Got a real barn burner here
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  Speaker 3: on deck for real tonight. It's the tale of the
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  Speaker 3: American Gothic, so to speak, as I like to call
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  Speaker 3: it here. The legend of Herb Baumeisters. And American Gothic
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  Speaker 3: has the old painting. I got old Herb and his
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  Speaker 3: wife here in front of their farm at the old
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  Speaker 3: Fox Hollow Farm. And what potentially is the largest body
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  Speaker 3: mass murder site in American history that no one seems
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  Speaker 3: to give a shit about. And joining us here tonight
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  Speaker 3: is speaking about no one giving a shit about these things.
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  Speaker 3: Welcome back to Operation GCD, man, for your very first time,
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  Speaker 3: Cosmic Peach, Julia.
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  Speaker 5: Thank you for having me. I couldn't have picked a
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  Speaker 5: better topic for my very first time. This is Abba Spooky.
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  Speaker 5: It's a spooky one. Yes, it's crazy. It's spooky. Happy Halloween, everybody.
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  Speaker 5: I got a little bit of a Halloween thing going
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  Speaker 5: on on my show. I'm calling it 2026 Route 666.
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  Speaker 5: And her definitely fits that.
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  Speaker 3: I like it. Well, it's spooky month all month. You're
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  Speaker 3: doing spooky tales here all month long on Operation GCD.
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  Speaker 3: Are you muted? Am I muted? Can you hear me?
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  Speaker 3: Is this thing on? Oh, that's fascinating.
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  Speaker 5: Uh-oh. JJ, can you hear me?
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  Speaker 3: Can you hear me now? Hold on. Wait a second.
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  Speaker 3: Wait a second. How about now? Can you hear me now?
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  Speaker 3: I can't hear you.
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  Speaker 5: Can anybody else hear JJ?
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  Speaker 3: Let's see here.
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  Speaker 6: Uh-oh.
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  Speaker 5: Maybe it's just me.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you, sir. Yeah, it seems to be happening with
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  Speaker 3: StreamYard when you bring something on the screen. Let me
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  Speaker 3: see what.
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  Speaker 5: We can do here. I got you back. I got
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  Speaker 5: you back. Sorry.
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  Speaker 3: You can hear me?
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  Speaker 5: Yes, sorry. It switched over to my microphone for some reason.
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  Speaker 5: I was left in the dark.
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  Speaker 3: No worries. Oh, by the way, happy birthday, ma'am. Happy birthday.
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  Speaker 7: You know.
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  Speaker 5: It is, wait, it's Libra season, I think, still. Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: it's Libra season, so happy birthday to all the Libras
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  Speaker 5: out there. And speaking of, because of your new location,
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  Speaker 5: before I forget, I'm also from Ohio. Have you eaten
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  Speaker 5: at a place called Gold Star Chili?
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  Speaker 3: Speaking of chili dogs. Yes, ma'am, this is the chili
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  Speaker 3: dog capital of Ohio. Chili Dog Capital of America here.
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  Speaker 3: We got numerous options of Cincinnati style chili, including Gold Star.
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  Speaker 5: They have those little tiny hot dogs. So delicious.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah. I can eat 17. Yeah, Skyline's like their competitor.
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  Speaker 3: I grew up, when I went to high school, with
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  Speaker 3: one of the Gold Star family members. They're actually owned
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  Speaker 3: by a Middle Eastern family, if you will. We'll call
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  Speaker 3: them Middle Easterns. The one I grew up with is Jordanian,
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  Speaker 3: but I'm pretty sure they're Israeli. Their name, that's the
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  Speaker 3: David family. That's who started Gold Star.
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  Speaker 5: They have the best chili I've ever tasted.
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  Speaker 3: Well, there's a number of local establishments that serve the
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  Speaker 3: Cincinnati-style chili in a far more delicious capacity, but I
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  Speaker 3: do agree. The corporate chains of Gold Star and Skyline,
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  Speaker 3: they used to have a Skyline down in Clearwater Beach, Florida.
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  Speaker 3: I wonder if Tom Cruise and John Travolta ever went there.
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  Speaker 5: Well, they have them. Maybe it's just because Cincinnati is
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  Speaker 5: so close to Kentucky, but they have Gold Star Chili
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  Speaker 5: restaurants in Kentucky, too.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, for sure.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: They've trickled over because it's so delicious.
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  Speaker 3: They have an Empress Chili. They have one remaining Empress
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  Speaker 3: Chili in Kentucky. That used to be a local chain
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  Speaker 3: as well. My favorite one is Camp Washington Chili, albeit
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  Speaker 3: it's open 24-7. You got to watch out. It gets
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  Speaker 3: a little stabby there in the dark. But their chili
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  Speaker 3: is delicious.
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  Speaker 5: I bet it is. I bet it is 24-hour chili.
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  Speaker 5: It's delicious.
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  Speaker 3: It's great. That's Cincinnati style right there. 24-7 stabby chili.
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  Speaker 5: But when you said that and then the chili dog thing,
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  Speaker 5: it just made me think of that because you're there
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  Speaker 5: right now and I love Gold Star Chili. It's one
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  Speaker 5: of my favorite places to eat at ever.
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  Speaker 3: It's... It's pretty delicious. I like to make my own
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  Speaker 3: Cincinnati-style chili recipe. It's a knockoff, obviously, of the Gold
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  Speaker 3: Star and the Skyline, but it has chocolate and cinnamon
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  Speaker 3: in it. I'm not sure if you're aware of that.
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  Speaker 3: It's a little chili fun fact.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I knew it had cinnamon in it because you
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  Speaker 5: can kind of taste it right off the top. Like
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  Speaker 5: the Gold Star chili, I feel like you can taste
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  Speaker 5: the cinnamon. It is chili season, people. It's October. It's
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  Speaker 5: spooky season. It's chili season. I just wanted to get
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  Speaker 5: that out of the way. Herb has nothing to do
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  Speaker 5: with the chili. You know, he might have something to
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  Speaker 5: do with the chili. He might have been grinding.
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  Speaker 3: He might be a cannibal. We're not sure about that.
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  Speaker 3: That's inconclusive.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, we're not sure. Chili could come into play later.
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  Speaker 3: That's an unknown unknown right there. Because Herb Baumeister has...
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  Speaker 3: To date, unidentified bones and remains of 10,000 different bones
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  Speaker 3: that's been recovered from his property to date.
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  Speaker 5: Well, they compared it to like the second largest collection
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  Speaker 5: of bones, only second to the World Trade Center. That's
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  Speaker 5: how many bones were found. Bones and bone fragments is only.
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  Speaker 3: The amount of bones and.
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  Speaker 5: Bone fragments is second only to the World Trade Center.
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  Speaker 5: That's how many were out there.
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  Speaker 3: That's if we're to believe there was 3,000 folks in
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  Speaker 3: the World Trade Center, right?
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  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not sure if I believe that tale.
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  Speaker 5: Well, I'm not sure I believe it either, but.
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  Speaker 3: I don't believe the tale's around Herb Baumeister. A lot
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  Speaker 3: of these... So you had recommended a Hulu documentary, and
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  Speaker 3: I did enjoy watching that. I do appreciate that recommendation there, ma'am.
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  Speaker 3: And I have one thing, one response to all of it.
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  Speaker 3: I question everyone's activities involved in all of these things,
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  Speaker 3: from the coroner to the private detective to the, you know,
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  Speaker 3: the whole thing, the whole narrative surrounding her, Baumeister, and
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  Speaker 3: all these activities seems made up. It seems made up.
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  Speaker 5: Well, here's the thing. I recommended you that documentary because
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  Speaker 5: it's the first and only documentary I've ever watched about
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  Speaker 5: Herb Baumeister where somebody finally said he couldn't have done
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  Speaker 5: this on his own. Because up until that docuseries, it
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  Speaker 5: was just, that's the mainstream narrative. Herb did this alone.
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  Speaker 5: He acted alone and he was solely responsible. But until
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  Speaker 5: that documentary, docu-series, finally they said, okay, there's no way
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  Speaker 5: in fucksville he did this alone. He had to have
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  Speaker 5: been in a group, a ring, had an accomplice, and
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  Speaker 5: that's where we enter Program to Kill territory, because he
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  Speaker 5: not only had an accomplice, he definitely was part of
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  Speaker 5: a group, and it most likely is the same group
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  Speaker 5: that two other serial killers that we know of were
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  Speaker 5: a part of. One of them was Jeffrey Dahmer, The
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  Speaker 5: other one is a guy named Steven Eiler or something
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  Speaker 5: like that. Yes, I think his name was Steven Eiler.
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  Speaker 5: So Steven Eiler, Herb Baumeister, and Jeffrey Dahmer were all
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  Speaker 5: part of the same network. And then we later find
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  Speaker 5: out that there's another guy named Mark who is most
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  Speaker 5: likely also helping Herb. And then there's somebody else, but
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  Speaker 5: I'm not ready to mention him yet.
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  Speaker 3: Go ahead. Is that Ackerman? Is Mark Ackerman? Is that
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  Speaker 3: who we're talking about? Is that Ackerman?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, Mark. I can't even remember his freaking.
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  Speaker 3: Last name now. Sorry, go ahead. Go ahead.
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  Speaker 5: Ahead. The Thomas Ackerman came in.
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  Speaker 3: Thomas Ackerman.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, Thomas Ackerman came in in like the bonus episode
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  Speaker 5: where they further investigated it and found out that there
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  Speaker 5: was like this wealthy gay doctor guy who was most
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  Speaker 5: likely paddling around with Herb. And two of the victims
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  Speaker 5: were last seen with Thomas Ackerman.
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  Speaker 3: And I believe that. And he reported the other one,
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  Speaker 3: the other victim they found on Herb's property. He was
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  Speaker 3: the one who reported a missing. Right.
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  Speaker 6: Yes.
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  Speaker 5: He reported.
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  Speaker 3: And then when they, they go through the files and
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  Speaker 3: he comes up over and over again and you wonder,
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  Speaker 3: and then it causes you to, to, you know, you
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  Speaker 3: get to that bonus episode they did in July and
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  Speaker 3: the series that came out in February.
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  Speaker 5: And.
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  Speaker 3: And it caused me at least to be like, well,
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  Speaker 3: then this is obvious proof that they just ignored so
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  Speaker 3: many signs from moment one, which was the obvious kind
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  Speaker 3: of implication, you know, before that kind of knowledge was present.
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  Speaker 5: But the, this, the whole story starts even way before
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  Speaker 5: they discovered the bones because the, so he was married.
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  Speaker 5: So her Baumeister was married to this woman, Julie Baumeister and,
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  Speaker 5: And from the beginning, they had a really bad marriage.
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  Speaker 5: It was just kind of always on the rocks. It
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  Speaker 5: seems to have been like a set up marriage because
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  Speaker 5: he was gay. But they had children together.
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  Speaker 3: They had two children, right? They had two sons.
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  Speaker 5: They did have children together. And one of them, one
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  Speaker 5: of their sons came to Julie with a skull on
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  Speaker 5: a stick and was like, hey, mom, look, I found
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  Speaker 5: this skull on a stick. And she's like, oh, didn't
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  Speaker 5: report it, didn't investigate it. The story starts so much
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  Speaker 5: farther back than the police arriving and searching and finding
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  Speaker 5: all the rest of the bones. I think Julie Baumeister,
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  Speaker 5: his wife, probably knew what was going on, probably knew
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  Speaker 5: she was in a scam marriage. she was really probably
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  Speaker 5: just in it for the financial benefit of having three
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  Speaker 5: homes and like, yada, da, da, da. They had all
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  Speaker 5: this wealth. And I think she just went along with it.
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  Speaker 5: Cause if your son tomorrow, JJ came up to you
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  Speaker 5: and was like, Hey dad, look, I found this skull
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  Speaker 5: and I put it on a stick and look at
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  Speaker 5: what I found in the backyard. I mean, what would
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  Speaker 5: your reaction be? Oh, that's cool. Move on with life. Like,
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  Speaker 5: You don't go to see if the rest of the
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  Speaker 5: skeletons back there, like what the fuck?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I don't buy, yeah, I don't buy her innocence
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  Speaker 3: at all. She's suspect in my opinion. They're all, everyone
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  Speaker 3: in this case is suspect. She's super suspect because first
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  Speaker 3: of all, her husband works at the DMV, right? How
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  Speaker 3: the hell are they getting this, accumulating this a mass
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  Speaker 3: amount of wealth? So her Baumeister, for folks who aren't
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  Speaker 3: familiar with the narrative, we'll get into the details and
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  Speaker 3: the kind of the revelations and the, why no one
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  Speaker 3: touched this for 20 plus years, it seems, but in
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  Speaker 3: the lack of investigations, all those details. But in 1996,
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  Speaker 3: he gets out and is having a bunch of missing
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  Speaker 3: gay men's remains on his farm just north of Indianapolis.
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  Speaker 3: And then he takes off to Canada and allegedly commits suicide.
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  Speaker 3: And no one's ever charged for these matters whatsoever. And
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  Speaker 3: there's obvious signs of a network, even in the police investigation,
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  Speaker 3: they even note that. There was signs of a network.
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  Speaker 3: It's just obvious how you move these bodies across this
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  Speaker 3: farm by yourself. You know what I mean? So it's
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  Speaker 3: all very suspect. But what do you think of his death? Like,
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  Speaker 3: what's the evidence of his death?
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  Speaker 5: So, they find all the bodies on the farm, right?
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  Speaker 5: And they're going to... It was on the news, even.
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  Speaker 5: They had, like, news and cameras and just pulling bones
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  Speaker 5: up and handcuffs and all this stuff they were finding
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  Speaker 5: in his backyard. And they were, like, showing it to
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  Speaker 5: the camera. Look, found another femur bone. Look, found a
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  Speaker 5: pair of handcuffs. Found a skull. Found this. Found that. Actually,
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  Speaker 5: they didn't find any skulls. The skulls had disappeared.
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  Speaker 3: So.
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  Speaker 5: They never.
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  Speaker 3: Found that skull again that his son found, right?
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  Speaker 5: No, they never rediscovered that skull or any other skulls,
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  Speaker 5: but they found the rest of the body parts. And
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  Speaker 5: so what happened to the skulls?
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  Speaker 6: I don't know.
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  Speaker 5: Anyways, they had all the news there. And instead of
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  Speaker 5: arresting Herb right off the fucking bat, like, hello, we
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  Speaker 5: just found a massive, massive skull. expansive graveyard in this
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  Speaker 5: guy's backyard, they don't arrest him. They let him go.
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  Speaker 5: And actually, Herb fucked off with one of his sons
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  Speaker 5: to their lake house. And Julie, his wife, after they
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  Speaker 5: discovered the bones, was like, hey, send a cop or
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  Speaker 5: somebody to my lake house and go get my son
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  Speaker 5: from this guy. He's obviously a madman. And so the
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  Speaker 5: cops go to the lake house. They retrieve their son.
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  Speaker 5: Still don't arrest him or ask him a single question
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  Speaker 5: about the bones. And after they retrieved their son, he
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  Speaker 5: fucked off to Canada and apparently killed himself. But not
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  Speaker 5: before he was pulled over by police in Canada. He
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  Speaker 5: was like sleeping in his car in a in a
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  Speaker 5: public park. And he had boxes and boxes of videotapes
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  Speaker 5: in the car with him. And it was documented. The
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  Speaker 5: police said, we found Herb. He's sleeping in his car
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  Speaker 5: in a public park in Canada. And he's got boxes
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  Speaker 5: and boxes of videotapes with him. And then the next day,
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  Speaker 5: they go back to the same spot. The car's still there.
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  Speaker 5: Herb's dead. He's been shot in the head. And the
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  Speaker 5: car's been scrubbed clean. I'm talking they removed the carpet
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  Speaker 5: from the car. No videotapes. The car's been scrubbed from
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  Speaker 5: the inside out. I mean, they removed every single bit
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  Speaker 5: of evidence from the car, including the upholstery. And Herbs
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  Speaker 5: fucked off and apparently shot himself in the head, which
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  Speaker 5: we know he didn't. There's no way he shot himself
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  Speaker 5: in the head. And he left a note.
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  Speaker 3: That's the narrative. Oh, go ahead. No, I apparently have
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  Speaker 3: a delay here. I apologize. But I was just saying,
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  Speaker 3: that's the narrative they tell us. It doesn't sound very believable, though, right? Like,
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  Speaker 3: all these videotapes, which the sole witness in the entire investigation,
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  Speaker 3: the only person that is a precipitating event in any
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  Speaker 3: activity throughout this whole affair, is apparently, looks like an accomplice.
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  Speaker 3: He's in the documentary. And he says it's about, that
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  Speaker 3: they were filming snuff films.
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  Speaker 5: They were definitely filming snuff films. I think Herb was
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  Speaker 5: like a finisher guy, like Gacy. And they just would
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  Speaker 5: bring guys back to his house and he'd do the
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  Speaker 5: snuff film stuff and film it. And he was like
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  Speaker 5: the videographer finisher guy in the ring. Because he had
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  Speaker 5: the means.
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  Speaker 3: And that sounds just like the.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, go.
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  Speaker 3: Ahead.
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  Speaker 5: He just, I was just going to say he had
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  Speaker 5: the means, he had the property, he had the disposal site.
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  Speaker 5: So it made sense for Herb to be like the
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  Speaker 5: finisher guy. And there was a so-called suicide note that
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  Speaker 5: was found with his body. But it wasn't actually a
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  Speaker 5: suicide note. It was more just like a goodbye letter,
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  Speaker 5: kind of. Not really to his family. But it was
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  Speaker 5: all in code. Code that only if you knew what
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  Speaker 5: the words mean, you would know what the note meant.
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  Speaker 5: He was talking about peanut butter sandwiches and stuff like
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  Speaker 5: this in the note. And it's like, why, if you're
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  Speaker 5: about to shoot yourself in the fucking head, are you
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  Speaker 5: talking about encode all this stuff, peanut butter sandwiches and
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  Speaker 5: stuff like this? Another sign that he was definitely part
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  Speaker 5: of one of these fucking rings.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, for sure. And again, the law enforcement seemed to
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  Speaker 3: have indicated that early on in the investigation, it would appear.
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  Speaker 3: And again, it seems like everyone just ignored these things,
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  Speaker 3: but It's very analogous to Gacy, very analogous to the
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  Speaker 3: whole Dean Corll situation, where also their young gay victims,
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  Speaker 3: their little sidekicks, were also accomplices, clearly. And that's where
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  Speaker 3: we get the narratives in all those tales, too, right?
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  Speaker 3: A lot of the narratives in those events are also
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  Speaker 3: spun across the same thing as this, where we get this,
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  Speaker 3: what was his name, Michael Goodyear, something Goodyear?
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  Speaker 5: Mark Goodyear.
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  Speaker 3: Mark Goodyear?
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  Speaker 9: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Because initially he goes by a pseudonym, right?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, he went by a pseudonym for a while. And
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  Speaker 5: the thing is, Mark Goodyear is definitely a tension-seeking psychopath
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  Speaker 5: who was in love with Herb. He admitted that they
• 19:18
  Speaker 5: had a romantic relationship, and I think that he's telling
• 19:21
  Speaker 5: the truth about that. I think he was obsessed with Herb.
• 19:25
  Speaker 5: I think he wanted to be a part of whatever
• 19:27
  Speaker 5: Herb was doing. I think he was a part of
• 19:30
  Speaker 5: what Herb was doing. It was like a weird, toxic,
• 19:33
  Speaker 5: fucked up love story. And Herb left him behind. I'm
• 19:37
  Speaker 5: sure Mark thought that they were going to run off
• 19:39
  Speaker 5: and have like some Romeo and Juliet moment where they
• 19:43
  Speaker 5: both faked their suicides and like ran off in his son.
• 19:46
  Speaker 5: But he left Mark behind.
• 19:48
  Speaker 10: Right.
• 19:48
  Speaker 5: And Herb was murdered. Um, because there was all this
• 19:53
  Speaker 5: stuff and this wasn't a part of the documentary. It's
• 19:55
  Speaker 5: something that I researched independently and Dave McGowan talked about it.
• 20:01
  Speaker 5: Herb Baumeister was linked to several murders in Ohio. And, um,
• 20:08
  Speaker 5: They were called like the I-70 murders or something like that.
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: Right, yeah, the I-70 Strangler.
• 20:14
  Speaker 5: Yes, before Herb acquired the farm, he was dumping bodies
• 20:19
  Speaker 5: all along. I think it's I-70 that they were getting found.
• 20:26
  Speaker 5: But there was several.
• 20:30
  Speaker 5: Bodies where DNA was left behind. And this police officer
• 20:34
  Speaker 5: from Ohio was like, go to Canada, get his fingerprints,
• 20:38
  Speaker 5: get DNA samples, and we want to match Herb to
• 20:43
  Speaker 5: the Ohio murders of all these guys we found along the...
• 20:47
  Speaker 5: So they sent three separate times. They sent someone to
• 20:52
  Speaker 5: get a DNA sample and fingerprints off of Herb's corpse.
• 20:56
  Speaker 5: And each time... They said, oh, the sample was bad.
• 21:01
  Speaker 5: We couldn't get a good sample. We couldn't get a
• 21:03
  Speaker 5: good sample. Oh, the fingerprints didn't take three times they
• 21:06
  Speaker 5: did this. Three fucking times they did that.
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: We ran out of ink, ma'am. We ran out of ink.
• 21:13
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 21:14
  Speaker 5: So the last time they sent the guy back for
• 21:16
  Speaker 5: the fourth fucking time to try and get a sample
• 21:19
  Speaker 5: off of Herb's corpse, they were like, oh, well, we
• 21:22
  Speaker 5: can't because they actually cremated him.
• 21:25
  Speaker 11: So.
• 21:26
  Speaker 5: We'll never be able to get those samples to link
• 21:30
  Speaker 5: Herb to the I-70 murders. But there was more than
• 21:34
  Speaker 5: enough evidence to suggest that before he acquired the farm,
• 21:37
  Speaker 5: he was the one that was, with this ring of people,
• 21:40
  Speaker 5: including another serial killer named something or other, Eiler, that
• 21:45
  Speaker 5: he was dumping bodies all along the highway. And... They
• 21:51
  Speaker 5: cremated him. Now, see, this is what makes me think
• 21:54
  Speaker 5: that he might have not actually.
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: Died at all. But that's what I'm talking about. The
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: mysterious surrounds death, right? They're like, yeah, he went to Canada,
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: and then he died, and then we burn him up,
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: and then that's it.
• 22:06
  Speaker 5: It makes me think that he didn't die at all.
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. And I got a clip from
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: it from the documentary. I'm not trying to say that.
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: The new owner of the property is Herb Baumeister, though
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: they have this one Muppet who's a propagandist in the
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: Idaho 4 community online. They show him on there claiming
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: that he's now saying... I think that's disinformation to make
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: people think it's preposterous, but I think it's disinformation because
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: Herb Baumeister is still alive.
• 22:42
  Speaker 5: I think he is too.
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean? There's very limited evidence. When
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: they say they just burned the body and You can't
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: find a burial site for him and stuff like that. Like,
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: all right, buddy. You know what I mean?
• 22:55
  Speaker 5: I think for sure he's still alive. And that's why
• 22:59
  Speaker 5: they couldn't get DNA to like link him to these
• 23:03
  Speaker 5: other cults and crimes and stuff like that.
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 23:07
  Speaker 5: And the same group that included Herb. And I'm just
• 23:15
  Speaker 5: going to Google it because I think his name is
• 23:17
  Speaker 5: Stephen Eiler. Stephen Eiler, serial killer. Because there was a
• 23:27
  Speaker 5: lady who wrote a book that connected all of them.
• 23:32
  Speaker 5: Larry Eiler, sorry. His name was Larry Eiler. He was
• 23:38
  Speaker 5: called The Highway.
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: I don't know Larry.
• 23:40
  Speaker 5: So he murdered at least 21 teenage boys and young
• 23:44
  Speaker 5: men in Indiana and Illinois between 1982 and 1984. And so...
• 23:49
  Speaker 5: Larry Eiler is linked to Herb, that they were running
• 23:54
  Speaker 5: in the same group. And also, Jeff Dahmer was running
• 24:00
  Speaker 5: in the same group. And when Jeff was arrested, he
• 24:03
  Speaker 5: actually had a book about Larry Eiler found in his apartment. Like,
• 24:08
  Speaker 5: he was studying this guy. So, they've connected all.
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: Three of these guys. He was an accomplice of Robert Little?
• 24:15
  Speaker 11: Okay.
• 24:15
  Speaker 10: Okay.
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: Kathleen Zellner was his attorney? All right.
• 24:21
  Speaker 5: Let me tell you something about this Eiler guy. Robert
• 24:24
  Speaker 5: David Little worked at the University of Indiana with Herb's dad.
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: No shit. All right.
• 24:36
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: The doctor.
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: Herb's dad.
• 24:38
  Speaker 5: Yep, Herb's dad was a doctor, worked at the University
• 24:42
  Speaker 5: of Indiana. And Robert David Little was working with this
• 24:48
  Speaker 5: Eiler guy. He was living, actually, they were roommates. Eiler
• 24:53
  Speaker 5: and Robert David Little were roommates. And Robert David Little
• 24:58
  Speaker 5: was a professor at Indiana State University with Herb's dad.
• 25:05
  Speaker 5: So if you want to know how these two got
• 25:08
  Speaker 5: introduced to each other, it's real simple to figure it out.
• 25:12
  Speaker 5: And also, Herb had no job to speak of when
• 25:17
  Speaker 5: he acquired this horse farm, Fox Hollow Farm.
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: So it's a multi-million dollar property.
• 25:25
  Speaker 5: What was that?
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he got fired from the DMV. That's what I
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: was saying. I must be in the wrong. I must
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: need to go get a job at the DMV to
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: make some of that cash to have a lake house,
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: a nice property in Castleton, Indiana, in this very luxurious estate, 11,000
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: square foot mansion with an indoor pool built in 1977.
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: This is a very dark tale because it questions of
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: how did he get that property? How did he get
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: this money? Who's his daddy? What did he do? And
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: it sounds like his daddy was friends with some serial killers.
• 25:58
  Speaker 5: His daddy was friends with some serial killers for sure,
• 26:01
  Speaker 5: and his daddy made sure he got that horse farm
• 26:03
  Speaker 5: because his daddy hooked him up with all kinds of people. Now,
• 26:07
  Speaker 5: what does someone who has never owned a fucking horse
• 26:12
  Speaker 5: in their life do with a horse farm? You tell
• 26:16
  Speaker 5: me that.
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: That's exactly what I was thinking. He's an executive director
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: at DMV, so he's managing a lot of people's data, right?
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: And personal... You can stalk people through the DMV, but yeah.
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: Why do they want to own a horse farm? That's
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: a great question.
• 26:31
  Speaker 5: They have not one horse in sight. They've never owned
• 26:35
  Speaker 5: a horse. They've never seen a horse. They bought a
• 26:37
  Speaker 5: horse farm. They don't even know what a horse looks like.
• 26:41
  Speaker 5: And they've got a whole ass fucking with barns and
• 26:45
  Speaker 5: pasture fencing and all that. Why the fuck does he
• 26:49
  Speaker 5: need a horse farm?
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: Well, here's the other.
• 26:53
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: And here's the deal. Like, why was the farm never seized?
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: And he sort of crimes like the, the wife was,
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: the wife sold it to the new owners. She initially
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: listed it for $ 2. 3 million. And it sat on the
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: market for like 10 years before they bought it for
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: like $ 900, 000. The new owners.
• 27:10
  Speaker 5: Well, it's a hell of a steal because why is
• 27:12
  Speaker 5: it on the.
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: Market for 10 years? Like, yeah, it's like, yeah. And
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: part of it got sold to a developer and, Eight
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: acres got sold to a developer to build homes that
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: never got built. And then the other portion got sold
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: to new owners.
• 27:26
  Speaker 5: Weird.
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: Weird.
• 27:29
  Speaker 5: Okay, yeah. See, that's stuff I didn't know about.
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I looked into the property records. Yeah, because the
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: property didn't sell to the new owner until 2009. I
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: was like, what in the world? How did the wife
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: afford to pay for it? I think it got seized
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: by the bank eventually, but it was in her possession
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: for a while.
• 27:48
  Speaker 5: Mm-hmm. after the murder still that's very interesting and then
• 27:54
  Speaker 5: this guy that moves in he gets all obsessed with
• 27:57
  Speaker 5: the case and is writing books on it and shit
• 27:59
  Speaker 5: and having people do you know he had the ghost
• 28:02
  Speaker 5: adventures crew come up in that bitch he was on
• 28:05
  Speaker 5: an episode of ghost adventures.
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah he wrote a book about all these things too
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: about the murders and the ghosts and stuff yeah And
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: the known knowns of the earliest victim there is 1993.
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: So that's what after Baumeister is on the property. So
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: we don't know the previous folks, but the guy who
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: initially built it was a doctor in 1977 was a
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: doctor who built the initial property. Same property Baumeister moves into,
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: but you know, the first murder, it's hard to believe
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: that 10,000, I got a clip of the corner because he's,
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: he's really the main focus, his activities are, the main
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: focus of the documentary here. I made a clip of
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: him describing this and he's right. It is the large,
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's 10,000 bones of unidentified folks. They have
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: at least four folks, you know, human that are unidentified
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: that they like no knowns of victims they've yet to identify,
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: but they have 10,000 other bones. Like that's a lot of,
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: that's a lot. I mean, that's a lot of, I'm
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: thinking dozens at least, right? Maybe hundreds.
• 29:07
  Speaker 5: I'm thinking hundreds.
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 29:11
  Speaker 11: It seems like I have someone come up and ask
• 29:14
  Speaker 11: me about this investigation. So people are interested. I think
• 29:20
  Speaker 11: people care about other people, and they want to see
• 29:26
  Speaker 11: some closure in this. And this is a piece of history.
• 29:31
  Speaker 11: This is most likely the largest mass murder, at least
• 29:38
  Speaker 11: in this state, if not in the Midwest, Um, you know, it's.
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: That's Jeff Jellison, not a Muppet name, a real name.
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: He's the corner of Hamilton County, Indiana. And I'm not
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: going to let that Muppet out. JJ me. I can
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: tell you that man. And he, uh, I got a
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: lot of questions about that guy. He's made some suspect statements.
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: I question his motivations. He's a former cop from that area.
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: And he said he made a public statement saying he
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: was no longer in law enforcement when the murders were committed. False, sir. False.
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: He did get fired from law enforcement for getting a
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: DUI while on duty. He was drinking while on duty
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: and got wrecked his cruiser. But that was in August
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: of 93. There was already two victims gone.
• 30:32
  Speaker 5: Yeah, all of the people in this are suspect. Even
• 30:35
  Speaker 5: the new docuseries, which I recommended everybody watch. When I
• 30:39
  Speaker 5: did this series on my show, I said everybody should
• 30:41
  Speaker 5: probably watch this docuseries so they can wrap their head
• 30:44
  Speaker 5: around what I'm talking about. Because where do you even
• 30:47
  Speaker 5: begin with something like this? It's so big. And it's
• 30:52
  Speaker 5: so obscure. Nobody talks about him at all. You know?
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: No, that's what I mean. It's so dark. No one
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: talks about it. No one investigated. There's been no charges.
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: Herb's gone. Don't worry about it. That's the attitude, and
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: it's very dark. It's very, very dark.
• 31:09
  Speaker 5: Very dark.
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: Because there are so many people who are dead. Mm-hmm.
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: I think there's huge gaps in the investigation, right? I
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: thought it was just one house they didn't search. They
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: didn't search two houses.
• 31:21
  Speaker 5: Three properties they owned. Three properties he owned. So he
• 31:26
  Speaker 5: had the Fox Hollow farm. He had like a regular,
• 31:31
  Speaker 5: like two story house with another pool somewhere in the countryside.
• 31:36
  Speaker 5: And then he had a lake house and they only
• 31:39
  Speaker 5: ever searched the farm. This guy had how many bodies
• 31:43
  Speaker 5: in his backyard and they don't bother to search the
• 31:45
  Speaker 5: other two properties. I don't get it.
• 31:49
  Speaker 12: Yeah.
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: And then, The lead investigator would later try to sell
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: documents from the investigation to the new owner of the home.
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: What in the Muppetry is going on there?
• 32:01
  Speaker 5: It doesn't make sense. It doesn't make sense at all.
• 32:06
  Speaker 5: And here's my other thing. He owned a couple thrift
• 32:10
  Speaker 5: stores called Save-A-Lot. Not to be confused with the grocery store.
• 32:14
  Speaker 5: They were like Goodwill type stores called Save-A-Lot. And everybody
• 32:20
  Speaker 5: who ever knew him ever who has ever had anything
• 32:23
  Speaker 5: to say about Herb said he was extremely shy. He
• 32:27
  Speaker 5: was painfully introverted. He was weird. He was a nerd.
• 32:31
  Speaker 5: He was a weirdo and like not the kind of
• 32:35
  Speaker 5: guy you would just go up to and start, you know,
• 32:38
  Speaker 5: a banter with. So how is it then that this closeted, gay, introverted,
• 32:44
  Speaker 5: soft-spoken weirdo lured back up to, somebody in the comments
• 32:50
  Speaker 5: section said, over 48 plus men to his house.
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 32:56
  Speaker 5: 25 confirmed.
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 32:58
  Speaker 5: Well, the one before that said a human body has
• 33:01
  Speaker 5: 206 total bones. So the amount of bone and bone
• 33:04
  Speaker 5: fragments that were discovered would be in the neighborhood of
• 33:07
  Speaker 5: 48 plus people. So, we're talking about a quiet, closeted
• 33:15
  Speaker 5: gay man who was introverted, a weirdo, and a nerd.
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: Lured by 48 men? Total creepster. But see, this is
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: where he didn't do it.
• 33:31
  Speaker 5: He probably went to the gay bars and stuff, sure.
• 33:35
  Speaker 5: He had to have had someone a little bit more
• 33:39
  Speaker 5: extroverted that he could throw out there and say, bring
• 33:42
  Speaker 5: guys back for me. Just bring them back. That's your job.
• 33:46
  Speaker 5: You get them. Bring them back for me. And then
• 33:49
  Speaker 5: we'll do what we do after you get them back
• 33:51
  Speaker 5: to the house. And that's where Mark comes in.
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: That's a great point. I also remember that Ackerman guy
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: might come in because Ackerman was a doctor. And Ackerman,
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: he was a married man with kids and portrayed himself
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: as a doctor who's got a wife and kids. And
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: that's allegedly why law enforcement looked the other way. But nonetheless,
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: the description given by one of the victims is not,
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: they say it's Baumeister, but it's the description that fits Ackerman,
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: not Baumeister. So, you know, we have elements even of
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: that where the stuff they're pinning on Baumeister may not
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: even be Baumeister by the description of the eyewitness statements.
• 34:32
  Speaker 5: A lot of the victims were last seen with this
• 34:35
  Speaker 5: man named Thomas Ackerman. And it's later discovered that Thomas
• 34:39
  Speaker 5: Ackerman got kicked out of his house when his wife
• 34:43
  Speaker 5: discovered that he was like fucking dudes or whatever.
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: So, um, banging butts.
• 34:50
  Speaker 5: I think he moved in to herbs. He had like
• 34:53
  Speaker 5: a little apartment above one of the barns and it
• 34:57
  Speaker 5: was a full apartment. It had like a little kitchen
• 34:59
  Speaker 5: and shit. What does this say? Julia clearly does not
• 35:03
  Speaker 5: know how many or any gay men. There is nothing
• 35:08
  Speaker 5: hard to get them to show up. Well, fuck.
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: Apparently, John is experiencing the topic. I'll take your word, sir.
• 35:18
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm just going to take his word for it
• 35:20
  Speaker 5: if it doesn't take much for gay men to show up. I, I, I,
• 35:24
  Speaker 5: all I'm saying is they said that this guy, there
• 35:27
  Speaker 5: was one bartender from one of the gay bars that
• 35:30
  Speaker 5: Herb used to hang out at. And the bartender said
• 35:34
  Speaker 5: Herb would stand in a corner and he wouldn't even,
• 35:37
  Speaker 5: he wouldn't even like talk to anybody or do anything.
• 35:41
  Speaker 5: He would just stand in a corner and be weird
• 35:43
  Speaker 5: the whole night.
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: So how would he, like, I'm just saying- I got
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: to agree with you, ma'am. I got to agree with you.
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: How is he pulling it off? Where's he getting that?
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: The kids these days call that the Riz. Pull all
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: these 48 plus gay men back to his properties. Right.
• 36:02
  Speaker 5: And I think like.
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: I got a clip of him now. Let's check out
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: old Creepy Herb. He's talking about a dead coon here.
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: Have you seen this clip of him? It's a weird
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: news segment. Why there would be a news segment about
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: a dead raccoon? Beyond me, but here we go.
• 36:16
  Speaker 9: Raccoon, 425-956-PM. The Indiana Department.
• 36:29
  Speaker 10: Of Transportation maintains over 11,000 miles of roadway, and we
• 36:34
  Speaker 10: paint those miles of roadway each year, and this is
• 36:38
  Speaker 10: just an isolated incident that happened.
• 36:40
  Speaker 8: The drive-by striping, you know, whatever.
• 36:42
  Speaker 13: Herb Baumeister of Carmel saw it all.
• 36:46
  Speaker 8: I said to my son, they're going to hit that
• 36:48
  Speaker 8: raccoon with a spray gun, and sure enough, they just
• 36:50
  Speaker 8: striped right over its face and neck. It didn't even move,
• 36:53
  Speaker 8: but no effort to get it out of the way.
• 36:55
  Speaker 9: I happened to.
• 36:57
  Speaker 8: Have a Polaroid with me, so I took a shot
• 37:00
  Speaker 8: at the thing.
• 37:01
  Speaker 13: A raccoon, which met its demise on the yellow line,
• 37:04
  Speaker 13: became one with the paint. The raccoon has since been removed.
• 37:09
  Speaker 13: This is all that's left.
• 37:11
  Speaker 8: This was just, you know, a painter should have had
• 37:14
  Speaker 8: a chalk line drawn around his career by state officials.
• 37:17
  Speaker 8: There was no excuse for that. I mean, the poor
• 37:19
  Speaker 8: thing deserved a better fate than that.
• 37:20
  Speaker 13: So just what is the explanation?
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, what is the explanation for this news report in
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: the first place?
• 37:28
  Speaker 5: It's just funny to me that he would say anything
• 37:32
  Speaker 5: like that because he had all these gay dudes chopped
• 37:35
  Speaker 5: up in his backyard. The poor things deserve.
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: Better than that. That's what I'm saying. In the idea
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: of a network, right? Is that perhaps a message? These
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: ideas of his cryptic messages in his letter, is that
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: a message being sent across the network? Like, hey, we
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: can come dump bodies at a herb spot now. Or
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: something like that, you know?
• 37:54
  Speaker 14: Yeah, he.
• 37:56
  Speaker 5: He was into a lot of things. So you know
• 37:59
  Speaker 5: how Ted Bundy was into like politics and like he
• 38:02
  Speaker 5: did this and that and he was like a jack
• 38:04
  Speaker 5: of all trades kind of guy. This was what Herb
• 38:07
  Speaker 5: was like too. He was a little bit political. He
• 38:10
  Speaker 5: had some thrift stores. He worked at the DMV. He did,
• 38:13
  Speaker 5: you know, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. He had like
• 38:16
  Speaker 5: a bunch of other, that's how these networks work. So
• 38:19
  Speaker 5: did John Wayne Gacy.
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: Son of a prominent doctor.
• 38:23
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 38:23
  Speaker 5: And John Wayne Gacy was involved in politics. He was
• 38:26
  Speaker 5: part of some kind of JV club. He volunteered places.
• 38:30
  Speaker 5: He worked a construction job. They always have their hand
• 38:33
  Speaker 5: in like multiple different pots. You know what I mean?
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he was like Gacy was like a district voting
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: manager there. And they're like weird voting system to have
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: in Illinois. Yes.
• 38:46
  Speaker 5: Somebody just commented.
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: And said everyone had to deal with Gacy.
• 38:50
  Speaker 5: They all join clubs and that's true because they want,
• 38:54
  Speaker 5: when this stuff comes out, you know what the public says? Oh,
• 38:58
  Speaker 5: it couldn't have been Herb. Herb volunteered at the YMCA
• 39:02
  Speaker 5: and he always, you know, wore bread trunks and gave
• 39:06
  Speaker 5: out cookies.
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: That's precisely, thank you, ma'am. That's, that's precisely how John
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: Wayne Gacy, the original attorney explains why he even took
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: the case from Gacy because he Gacy was running around
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: calling for pay funds for like three days, acting all weird.
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: But he's like, I knew the guy. He was the
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: district voting manager. He was the national JC man of
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: the year. He was this and that.
• 39:31
  Speaker 5: They always say that. They say the same thing about Ted.
• 39:35
  Speaker 5: I mean, the only one that people were like, yeah,
• 39:37
  Speaker 5: that makes sense is probably Jeffrey Dahmer because they were like,
• 39:41
  Speaker 5: oh no, that guy was fucking weird. Everybody said he
• 39:45
  Speaker 5: was just quiet and he was fucking weird. So Look
• 39:50
  Speaker 5: at the area.
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: That's an interesting thought. So is the wife a recruiter?
• 39:55
  Speaker 5: His wife. Let me just read this comment. His wife
• 39:58
  Speaker 5: could have been the hook to pull them, pull in
• 40:02
  Speaker 5: the men. Not all the victims were reportedly gay. Not
• 40:06
  Speaker 5: all the victims were reportedly gay, but I do think
• 40:10
  Speaker 5: that he, his wife was hideous. Anybody, anybody, nobody's getting
• 40:15
  Speaker 5: that thing.
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, I got a, I got a picture
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: over here somewhere in one of these clips. She's not pretty.
• 40:22
  Speaker 5: No, no.
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: And the idea that Gacy said he should have only...
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: One of the statements he made when he actually had
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: attorneys seemingly representing him near the end of his time
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: for his execution, he made a statement saying the only
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: thing he was guilty of was hosting an illegal graveyard. Which,
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: in a sense... There's no evidence Herb Baumeister is involved
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: in any of these crimes. There's zero. The only evidence
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: really exists against Ackerman in the reports. There's no evidence Herb. Baumeister, no.
• 40:52
  Speaker 5: There's no evidence Herb actually killed anyone.
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: Exactly. So did he just have, was he guilty of
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: having an illegal graveyard like Gacy?
• 41:03
  Speaker 5: There is.
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: Because there's, probably Gacy may have done some of them,
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: but probably Gacy was not even in town when some
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: of his victims were kidnapped. So like. I've said that
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: so many times.
• 41:14
  Speaker 5: He was a finisher guy and so was Herb. Herb
• 41:18
  Speaker 5: just provided the location and the dumping area. He might
• 41:22
  Speaker 5: have gotten a little freaky with a couple of them,
• 41:25
  Speaker 5: but I don't think Herb was actually the main guy.
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: She's hideous, dude. She had to have a really nice personality.
• 41:41
  Speaker 5: She's not only hideous, she's kind of comes off as
• 41:45
  Speaker 5: being a douche bag. So I don't even think she's
• 41:48
  Speaker 5: got it wrapped up in the personality department.
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: So literally all of the, the evidence against her revolves
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: around that guy. Like you were saying, Mark Goodyear. And
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: then there he's changed the story numerous times. He he's,
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: he's in the documentary acting creepy as fuck. He, he,
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: The story where the private... So his story is intertwined
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: with this private investigator who's a retired cop. Sheriff's detective deputy,
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: I believe. Detective from Hamilton County, Indiana. And as you
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: saw in that news article... Go ahead.
• 42:25
  Speaker 5: This private investigator also worked the JonBenet Ramsey case.
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: Come on.
• 42:35
  Speaker 5: Yes, that's why you can't.
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: JJ, I'm done with you.
• 42:41
  Speaker 9: Yes.
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: I didn't know that. That's ridiculous.
• 42:44
  Speaker 5: Yes, he did.
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: I got clips of him. He seems like a real Muppet.
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: His story of how he's the one who generated this
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: investigation makes no sense in hindsight. It may have made
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: sense at the time, but as time has played out
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: since 1996, it don't work out, buddy. I got a
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: couple of clips of that in the investigation gaps because
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: he's and his story all revolves around this Mark Goodyear guy.
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: And so Goodyear allegedly gets goes back with Baumeister from
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: a gay club in Indianapolis to, you know, north of
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: there about about an hour north of there to the farm.
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: And he says he he leads this private detective back
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: to this area saying that he was this guy calling
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: himself Brian Smart. Was it Brian Smart? And so they
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: didn't know his identity. They said it was a mansion
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: with a pool inside. And then they said it was
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: this guy's house. And I'm not saying, like, it wasn't
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: this guy's house. I'm just saying, like, they use these
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: very weird, like, very, you know, circumstantial, like, memories of
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: this crack, this meth head gay fellow. And then the
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: private investigator had him identify Baumeister, logically, next time he
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: saw him at the gay club, and then have one
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: of his gay friends from the gay club do a
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: bunch of gay stuff with Baumeister in order to get
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: more details from him. So the whole, like the whole
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: thing doesn't make any sense. No, that's not how, that's
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: not how investigate. Like he's like the, he's like the
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: informant of informants. He's like the all-star informant. You know
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: what I mean? But, but then when, then he's none
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: of his story fits under scrutiny. He's obviously a liar.
• 44:26
  Speaker 5: He's a known liar. He's a show-off. He obfuscates information.
• 44:33
  Speaker 5: He knew Herb's name and how to get back to
• 44:36
  Speaker 5: the farm and was asked about it by police several
• 44:40
  Speaker 5: times and he gave false information so the police could
• 44:44
  Speaker 5: never find him. Several times he did that.
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 44:49
  Speaker 5: He's called the only survivor of Herb Baumeister and That's
• 44:54
  Speaker 5: because he's the last living accomplice. And he thinks if
• 45:00
  Speaker 5: he does these interviews and stuff, it's like he's trying
• 45:04
  Speaker 5: to sell everybody his innocence. You know what I mean?
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: I'm glad you said that. So I have a clip
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: here of the sole witness. Because he does seemingly come
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: off as guilty in every remark he makes in the series.
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: Nothing about the series he does not come off looking good.
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: And neither does the new owner because the new owner
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: defends him. And then him and the new owner have
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: this weird dynamic because they call Mark to interview him again.
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: And the new owner is calling him. Why is the
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: new owner so involved with the sole witness in this case?
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: What is that dynamic? Why would they want to be
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: so interconnected unless they have something to hide together? That's
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: kind of what I thought about it. Mm-hmm. But here's
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: Mark Goodyear talking about what he allegedly told police initially
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: back in 1996. Absolutely.
• 46:00
  Speaker 4: And in pristine condition.
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: Use your gut. Use your temper.
• 46:14
  Speaker 8: Use all that stuff.
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: Fetish and death.
• 46:29
  Speaker 4: And that's the way I reported this to the police,
• 46:32
  Speaker 4: that this was, I used the word snuff films, that
• 46:39
  Speaker 4: he was taking snuff films of people.
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: So that's Mark Goodyear. And he didn't come back for
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: the second interview.
• 46:57
  Speaker 5: I'm moving to the other room. Hang on.
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: Gotcha. He didn't come back for the second interview. And
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: apparently he's claiming he's reported snuff films. They even have
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: citations in the police reports about the missing videotapes. And
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: it's very interesting when you see that the entire narrative
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: revolves around that one kind of gay club meth head
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: dude there. Who's the informant's informant here. And we got
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: another clip here regarding his story. Everything here revolves around him,
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: and he even identifies that himself in the documentary.
• 47:29
  Speaker 12: Mark's interesting and maddening at the same time.
• 47:33
  Speaker 4: Everything that you know about this case comes from me.
• 47:36
  Speaker 4: I realize that.
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: I'm aware of that.
• 47:39
  Speaker 12: Gosh, I wish I knew what was credible with him,
• 47:41
  Speaker 12: because I.
• 47:43
  Speaker 5: Just don't even know what you can believe.
• 47:45
  Speaker 12: I do believe that Mark knew her, but back in
• 47:49
  Speaker 12: the 90s, he was withholding a lot of information. But
• 47:55
  Speaker 12: then he's so vocal during the documentary. It's almost like
• 48:00
  Speaker 12: he thinks he's untouchable. Something changed, and that's when Goodyear decided,
• 48:08
  Speaker 12: I feel safe that I can talk about this and
• 48:11
  Speaker 12: show my face.
• 48:18
  Speaker 14: This is kind of a groundbreaking moment because you've never
• 48:20
  Speaker 14: shown your face on camera.
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: Why now? there was a time when people were alive,
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: had something to be afraid of. Now, it doesn't bother
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: me anymore.
• 48:43
  Speaker 15: Wow.
• 48:44
  Speaker 12: There was a time when people were alive that made
• 48:48
  Speaker 12: him fearful of showing his face.
• 48:50
  Speaker 7: That's pretty telling.
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: Well, folks, we got a lot to unpack there about
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: this Mark Goodyear fellow with Julia when she's Back here
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: after this quick break. But this is a dark tale
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: we got here in American Gothic. A very dark tale
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: in the Gothic sense. The legend of Herb Baumeister and
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: the foxhole farm that no one gave a shit about investigating.
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: But I do thank you all for joining us here
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: tonight to kill gcd and i'll be right back after
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: these messages.
• 49:18
  Speaker 5: That's amazing i don't i didn't know that about you
• 49:20
  Speaker 5: what do you know that you're a.
• 49:21
  Speaker 7: Musician So that's why I'm interviewing you today, so I
• 49:37
  Speaker 7: can get to know you.
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: So I'm a musician.
• 49:39
  Speaker 5: Mm-hmm.
• 49:39
  Speaker 7: What the fuck? That mean make magic or something?
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: What is musician?
• 49:43
  Speaker 7: I think that's, I think you're confusing that.
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not no musician.
• 49:47
  Speaker 9: I make music.
• 49:48
  Speaker 5: I make music.
• 49:49
  Speaker 7: And that's not all I do.
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: I make music.
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: I act.
• 49:52
  Speaker 7: I'm a TV star, too.
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: A young woman.
• 49:55
  Speaker 7: Just really quick. I think you're confusing. I'm not confusing
• 49:57
  Speaker 7: nothing because you don't know. You thought that all I
• 50:00
  Speaker 7: was was a magician or whatever the fuck you said. See,
• 50:02
  Speaker 7: that's what I think you think I said. I said musician,
• 50:04
  Speaker 7: not magician. I don't think, baby.
• 50:06
  Speaker 13: I don't think.
• 50:07
  Speaker 6: What is that?
• 50:08
  Speaker 9: That's ghetto.
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: I don't think.
• 50:09
  Speaker 5: I know.
• 50:11
  Speaker 7: So you think. I didn't say magician, Suki. I said musician.
• 50:17
  Speaker 7: And I think you are a musician.
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: No, baby, I do music.
• 50:20
  Speaker 7: So you, just really quick, for the record, could you
• 50:23
  Speaker 7: say you don't think you're a musician?
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: None of that.
• 50:25
  Speaker 7: But then after that, you just said, I do music.
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I do music.
• 50:29
  Speaker 7: So, in other words, you're a musician.
• 50:31
  Speaker 6: No, I'm not.
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: Welcome back here, folks. Just having a quick pretzel break.
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: I don't like this Goodyear fella. I don't understand anything
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: about this fella, how he evaded things for so long,
• 50:56
  Speaker 3: how he's never really been on camera, how no one
• 50:59
  Speaker 3: gives a shit that he changes his story, you know?
• 51:02
  Speaker 5: He changes his story. He lies about everything. And the
• 51:05
  Speaker 5: way that he talks in the interview is almost like
• 51:09
  Speaker 5: he's telling some kind of a fucked up love story
• 51:12
  Speaker 5: between him and Herb.
• 51:14
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 51:15
  Speaker 5: Love her. Scorn the lover, for sure. And, you know,
• 51:19
  Speaker 5: if you don't know what he looks like, which the
• 51:24
  Speaker 5: only way I can describe him would be like sloths
• 51:28
  Speaker 5: from the Goonies. Second cousin.
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: I mean, he looks horrifying. He looks a bit downsy.
• 51:37
  Speaker 5: Yeah, he looks like he's got periodontal disease. He looks
• 51:41
  Speaker 5: like he looks like something else.
• 51:44
  Speaker 3: But It looks like he's done a lot of meth
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: in his life too. Yeah. I'm thinking a lot of meth,
• 51:50
  Speaker 3: a lot of, uh, what do they call that? Um, uh,
• 51:53
  Speaker 3: the puffers or whatever. Um, not puffers. The things they inhale,
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean? Like they call them.
• 52:01
  Speaker 5: I don't know. I don't even know, but I know
• 52:02
  Speaker 5: what you're talking about.
• 52:03
  Speaker 3: Anal nitrate, anal nitrate, amyl nitrates. I think I always
• 52:07
  Speaker 3: call them anal nitrates, but I feel like that's too convenient.
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: Amyl nitrates. They like help that shit. You know what
• 52:13
  Speaker 3: I mean?
• 52:14
  Speaker 5: Mark helped conceal.
• 52:15
  Speaker 3: Caused a lot of brain damage and physical... Well, he seems.
• 52:19
  Speaker 5: Like he's... Yeah, he looks horrible, but he seems like
• 52:24
  Speaker 5: he's actually... He thinks he's really smart, and maybe he
• 52:28
  Speaker 5: is smart, but he's not smart enough. Because... He's trying
• 52:35
  Speaker 5: to sell people his innocence with these interviews, but he
• 52:39
  Speaker 5: just makes himself look worse every time he does an interview. Well, yeah, he.
• 52:44
  Speaker 3: Says he's talking now because folks are dead. Well, who's
• 52:46
  Speaker 3: dead and why would that concern you? No one asked
• 52:50
  Speaker 3: that question of him.
• 52:51
  Speaker 5: Let's just say with Herb's age and the fact that
• 52:56
  Speaker 5: he probably was still alive this whole time, people are
• 53:00
  Speaker 5: saying like, oh, maybe when Thomas Ackerman died, he decided
• 53:03
  Speaker 5: to show his face. I think when Herb died, he
• 53:09
  Speaker 5: decided to show his face.
• 53:10
  Speaker 16: Yeah.
• 53:12
  Speaker 5: Because Herb's probably been alive this whole time.
• 53:17
  Speaker 3: I don't, I don't think, yeah, I'd like to see
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: evidence that he died, but poppers, there we go. Jonah
• 53:21
  Speaker 3: came in with some gay facts. Thank you, sir. Poppers. Yeah,
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: I just, there's so many questions that don't get asked
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: too good here. And especially even by the documentarians. And
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: I questioned again, the motives behind the corner. So in
• 53:39
  Speaker 3: that news, uh, story why they're doing a new story
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: about a dead raccoon and some creep with the polaroids
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: of it beyond me i think it's sending a message
• 53:47
  Speaker 3: there's a purpose behind that sending a message like we
• 53:49
  Speaker 3: can we can do some bodies at uh herbert's place
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: now and did you know we get him saying he
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: lives in carmel indiana.
• 53:58
  Speaker 5: Yeah and did you notice every.
• 54:01
  Speaker 3: Single time carmel and that's where once one second man
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: that's where jeff jellison that's where he was a cop
• 54:09
  Speaker 3: at the time when he So when he's saying that
• 54:11
  Speaker 3: he was no longer a cop, when he's this corner,
• 54:14
  Speaker 3: the star of the documentary, the star of this investigation,
• 54:17
  Speaker 3: he's like, oh, I wasn't a cop. He's making public statements.
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: I wasn't a cop when these people were victimized, when
• 54:21
  Speaker 3: these murders occurred. Bullshit, dude. You were a cop in
• 54:24
  Speaker 3: that same fucking town. That's the problem I have. I
• 54:29
  Speaker 3: don't think he's being objective when he's making those kind of, like,
• 54:32
  Speaker 3: I don't know what Muppet games he's up to, but
• 54:34
  Speaker 3: matters of national security, certainly, I think it's possible because
• 54:38
  Speaker 3: when no one investigates this for over for almost 20 years,
• 54:42
  Speaker 3: like 16 years, this thing is a sad doorman. And
• 54:46
  Speaker 3: then this Jeff Jellison guy came, I'm going to come
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: into the rescue guys. I don't, I don't know these people.
• 54:52
  Speaker 3: I'm not associated with it.
• 54:53
  Speaker 6: Bullshit.
• 54:53
  Speaker 3: Dude, you were a cop in that town when this
• 54:54
  Speaker 3: shit was happening, dude. What are you talking about?
• 54:57
  Speaker 5: There's definitely got fire again for.
• 54:59
  Speaker 3: Drinking on duty.
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 55:01
  Speaker 3: And this guy's not like some, like, noble man of ethics.
• 55:04
  Speaker 3: He gets drunk on duty, wrecks his police patrol car,
• 55:07
  Speaker 3: and then files an appeal with the state Supreme Court
• 55:10
  Speaker 3: to get his fucking job back, dude. Like, come on, man.
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
• 55:15
  Speaker 5: So, the private investigator, the coroner, the guy who owns
• 55:22
  Speaker 5: the house now.
• 55:24
  Speaker 3: Suspect.
• 55:27
  Speaker 5: That's why this case is like, why?
• 55:28
  Speaker 3: They're all suspects.
• 55:30
  Speaker 5: Why isn't more people covering this? It's huge. It's huge.
• 55:37
  Speaker 3: That's a good point. It's a very dark tale. It's
• 55:40
  Speaker 3: got a lot of ins and outs. You're right. There
• 55:43
  Speaker 3: isn't a lot of coverage. Even up until this documentary,
• 55:45
  Speaker 3: there wasn't a lot of coverage of this.
• 55:48
  Speaker 5: So every time they show Herb and or the farm
• 55:54
  Speaker 5: in the news, they always include a clip. And I
• 55:59
  Speaker 5: don't know why they include this clip, but they show
• 56:02
  Speaker 5: a bus pulling up to the house and like a
• 56:06
  Speaker 5: school bus pulling up to the house. It'll be like
• 56:09
  Speaker 5: 10 more bodies found at Fox Hollow Farm. And it'll
• 56:13
  Speaker 5: show a school bus pulling up to the house and
• 56:16
  Speaker 5: it's bus 33. And every single time they show something
• 56:22
  Speaker 5: about Herb or they show something about Fox Hollow Farm
• 56:26
  Speaker 5: on the news, They always include this clip of this
• 56:30
  Speaker 5: bus 33 pulling up in front of the house. Tell
• 56:34
  Speaker 5: me why.
• 56:35
  Speaker 3: He's a protected member of the family, so to speak.
• 56:41
  Speaker 5: They're always including that fucking 33 school bus pulling up
• 56:44
  Speaker 5: to the house. Like, look, it's such a cute little
• 56:47
  Speaker 5: residential area. It's a little horse farm, and this little
• 56:50
  Speaker 5: school bus is pulling up to the house, bus 33.
• 56:54
  Speaker 5: Every time they showed the farm in the news, they
• 56:57
  Speaker 5: showed this fucking school bus 33 pulling up. Every time.
• 57:02
  Speaker 3: And I do think we do get elements of propaganda
• 57:05
  Speaker 3: all over this case. And even in this, what I
• 57:08
  Speaker 3: think is, Overall, again, I recommend folks check it out.
• 57:11
  Speaker 3: I do think there's a lot of propaganda in the
• 57:12
  Speaker 3: documentary just from its original intent and just foundational aspects
• 57:17
  Speaker 3: of it. But this whole investigation, I just don't miss
• 57:20
  Speaker 3: the documentary, but the activities that they're documenting, right? I
• 57:23
  Speaker 3: don't think they're objective in that regard. But we do
• 57:26
  Speaker 3: get straight up propaganda in the documentary where it loops
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: back in with Idaho 4 as Lucy Morningstar is pointing
• 57:32
  Speaker 3: out there. And I got a clip of it here somewhere.
• 57:34
  Speaker 3: I swear I do. Oh, here we go. That was
• 57:37
  Speaker 3: on my server right there.
• 57:39
  Speaker 16: Ever since the documentary premiered, I personally didn't have any
• 57:43
  Speaker 16: interest in serial killers until I bought a house that
• 57:47
  Speaker 16: was owned by a serial killer. Ever since the documentary premiered,
• 57:52
  Speaker 16: the reaction to my participation was somewhat negative.
• 57:57
  Speaker 3: Let me show you this TikTok. I don't know if
• 57:59
  Speaker 3: you've seen this. You can comment on it.
• 58:01
  Speaker 8: Go ahead and just hit play.
• 58:03
  Speaker 3: I'm so convinced that Rob Graves is her Bowmeister. I'm
• 58:07
  Speaker 3: yelling this from the rooftops because I know there's legs
• 58:09
  Speaker 3: to it. Nose, lips, do not move. Ears are right up.
• 58:14
  Speaker 3: Pupils match. The only difference is that Rob is looking
• 58:16
  Speaker 3: the other way for the camera. But if you wanted
• 58:19
  Speaker 3: to see what you.
• 58:19
  Speaker 15: Would look like when you're leaving, I don't know.
• 58:23
  Speaker 3: I think that winds up.
• 58:25
  Speaker 7: I hope he has a good lawyer.
• 58:29
  Speaker 16: I generally am not on social media, but I was
• 58:35
  Speaker 16: somehow lumped into Mark's character.
• 58:39
  Speaker 3: Okay. Robert, what have you gotten me involved in here?
• 58:44
  Speaker 16: Because I took a more defensive posture against him.
• 58:47
  Speaker 3: I mean, what? You know what I mean?
• 58:57
  Speaker 5: Do you think he's Herb? I don't.
• 59:01
  Speaker 3: I don't think he's heard. Bertie, the guy on the clip,
• 59:03
  Speaker 3: is a major prop. He's always spouting propaganda. They not
• 59:06
  Speaker 3: have a forward case. I think that's what he serves
• 59:08
  Speaker 3: a purpose for in the interwebs myself. in my opinion.
• 59:12
  Speaker 5: I mentioned that in my series, that this was propaganda stuff.
• 59:17
  Speaker 3: Yep. But doesn't that work great if Herb's alive, right?
• 59:22
  Speaker 3: If he didn't die back in 96... Isn't that where
• 59:26
  Speaker 3: great to make a documentary and then have some Looney
• 59:28
  Speaker 3: Tunes looking dude saying like, oh, the new owner is
• 59:30
  Speaker 3: really Herb Baumeister. It just muddies the waters completely and
• 59:35
  Speaker 3: causes the whole idea to seem ridiculous.
• 59:38
  Speaker 5: That's why they did it. That's exactly why they did it.
• 59:43
  Speaker 5: And I think it's to further conceal that Herb didn't
• 59:53
  Speaker 5: actually die. Because if they make it look so ridiculous that, oh,
• 59:59
  Speaker 5: the new owner is actually Herb, it just makes it.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 3: Right, oh, spoiler alert.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it just makes it all the more ridiculous.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 16: It does, it really does.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 3: Because the first time, when I watched that, I was laughing.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 3: I mean, Lucy's saying she's cackling now. I was laughing
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 3: when I watched it in the documentary because I recognized
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 3: the birdie character there and the guy spouting that nonsense.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 3: But I was like, wow, that is specifically what I
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 3: would expect in this documentary is to completely shitcoat this.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 3: If her was alive, they would have to have that
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 3: in there.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 5: That's exactly why they did it. There is one curveball
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 5: I want to throw you that I mentioned at the
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 5: beginning of this episode and I texted you about and
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 5: I'm ready to reveal it if you are ready.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 3: Let's let's do it. Curveball inbound.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 5: So, I recently covered an individual for my Halloween special.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 5: Did a little deep dive on him. And he's gay.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 5: From Indianapolis. Went to all of the same bars that
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 5: Herb went to. Around the same time frame in the 90s.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 5: And he's obsessed with serial killers. He includes Program to Kill...
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 5: in all of his work, and he's obsessed with Jeffrey Dahmer.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 5: Guess who this person is?
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 3: It's not Troublemaker Jonah, is it?
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 5: It's... Ryan Murphy.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 3: Just kidding, Jonah. No shit. All right. So... That's the
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 3: American Horror Story guy, right? Yes.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 5: And he also did the... Jeffrey Dahmer, Monster, and the
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 5: Menendez brothers, and Ed Gein, and we've talked about Ryan
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 5: Murphy's work many times, you and I, JJ.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's creepy.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 5: He's from Indianapolis.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 3: Did not know that.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 5: He went to all this.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 3: Went to Indianapolis University.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 5: Yep, where Herbie's dad worked.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 12: Yeah.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 5: And. He's gay. He went to all the same gay
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 5: bars in the same area that Herb was going to
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 5: in the same time frame.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 3: Came out at age 15, huh? Okay, yep. Yep, tracking.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 5: And he's obsessed with Jeffrey Gottlieb.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 3: That would have been 1980. He'd have been in the
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 3: gay clubs in 1980. Yep, okay. That's a strange obsession
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 3: to have, but sure.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 5: But the thing is, is we know Herb and Jeff
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 5: were in the same group.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 3: They certainly operate with the same mode of operations, right?
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 3: But the one thing we're missing here in this case
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 3: is the overt occultism, which I'm not saying isn't present.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 3: They can easily not report that or make any public
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 3: about it. They did the same thing in Indiana with
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 3: the Delphi case. If it wasn't for them leaking the
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 3: Odinist report, no one would have ever heard the Odinist
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 3: angle to that whole matter.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 5: The problem with this that nobody talks about is what
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 5: were they doing with the skulls? Because none of them
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 5: were ever found. And that's where the occultism comes in.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 3: Exactly. Thank you, ma'am. Because the skull that his son
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 3: finds in November of 1994, I think it was. They
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 3: know that. They know that skull existed, but then it
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 3: just disappeared.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 5: Yeah, they never recovered it.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 8: So.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 5: Let's just say, because what links Herb Baumeister to Jeffrey
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 5: Dahmer is the serial killer Larry Eiler. So if we
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 5: know Herb and Larry were working together, and Jeff and
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 5: Larry were working together, we can assume that Herb, Jeff,
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 5: and Larry were in the same group. And Ryan Murphy's
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 5: obsessed with Jeffrey Dahmer.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 3: We can also assume.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 3: We can also connect that to the Son of Sam
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 3: situation connects both the Gacy and the Dahmer situations as well.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 5: So why is it? And how is it that Ryan
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 5: Murphy knows all this stuff that he shouldn't know? And
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 5: he's constantly putting it in American Horror Story and all
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 5: these monster series.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 3: Great question.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 5: The Dahmer monster and the Ed Gein monster and the
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 5: Lyle and Eric Menendez monster. And all of these have
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 5: programmed to kill ties, right? Especially the Menendez brothers and Dahmer,
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 5: you know, with their backstories. And Ryan Murphy is literally,
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 5: he's gay. He went to all the same gay bars
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 5: Herb was going to in the same time frame. Went
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 5: to the Indiana State University where Herb's dad worked. And
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 5: he's obsessed with serial killers.
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and what's this about? He was going to do
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 3: a scripted adaptation of Tiger King with Rob Lowe to
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 3: play Joe Exotic?
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 5: Rob Lowe. Did you know his first script he ever wrote,
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 5: he wrote for Steven Spielberg? That's what put him onto
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 5: the scene.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 3: I did not know that. Is that running with scissors?
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 3: What's that?
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 5: It was something, something about Audrey Hepburn. He wrote it
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 5: for Steven Spielberg, but Ryan Murphy's dad is also, and
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 5: I know you're going to understand this is important. Ryan
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 5: Murphy's dad also worked for all these major newspapers and
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 5: stuff and got him a job at like U S
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 5: or sorry, the, uh, um entertainment weekly and all this
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 5: stuff as being like some kind of a reporter and
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 5: if you go back to the franklin scandal do you
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 5: remember how many reporters and like newspaper editors and shit
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 5: were wrapped up in in the franklin scandal so this
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 5: is what ryan murphy's dad did and got ryan murphy
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 5: into it and that's where he met steven.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 3: Spielberg that's convenient right yeah.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 5: This is what I'm saying is like, nobody's looking into
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 5: this guy. I did a whole deep dive on him
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 5: because I was like, what are the chances with him
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 5: being so obsessed with serial killers and putting all this
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 5: stuff into, into like American horror story and stuff that
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 5: he would have been turned.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 3: At the, at the Washington post.
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 5: That's what I'm saying.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 3: You know, that's like, that reminds me of like Dom.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 3: That's like almost like Dom or calling the vice president's
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 3: office on a senior class trip saying like, Hey guys,
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 3: it's Jeff. I need to come visit.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 5: That's what I'm saying, JJ. Like, this guy, he's from Indianapolis.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 5: He went to the University of Indiana. He's going to
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 5: all these gay bars that Herb went to around the
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 5: same time frame. And he includes all this stuff in
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 5: his work. And the craziest thing is the first show
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 5: he ever created was Glee, right? Ryan Murphy. And eight
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 5: people mysteriously died. They called it the Glee Curse. Just
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 5: people kept dying on Glee. Cast members, crew members.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 3: They do call it Glee.
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 5: Suicides. They were all weird drug overdoses and stuff. Come on, JJ.
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 5: What is going on with this guy?
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that Nip Tuck show he did too was pretty dark, right?
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 3: I mean, that was a very dark undertones to that
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 3: whole show.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 5: So how do you go from... Making something like Glee
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 5: and all these people dying. And then he goes straight
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 5: to making something like American Horror Story. I mean, those
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 5: two things aren't even similar.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they're not even in the same ballpark of media
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 3: or entertainment.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 5: It's like he blooded in with Glee. And now he
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 5: gets to make whatever he wants to make. And he
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 5: goes straight for serial killers. Why is that?
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 9: Yep.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 3: That's a great question, man. That is a curveball. That's
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 3: a big curveball.
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 5: It is a big curveball. And I mean, like, Ryan
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 5: Murphy included stuff about the Black Dahlia in American Horror
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 5: Story about... Are you familiar, like, with the Hodel's and how.
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 5: George Hodel. He included that in American Horror Story. How
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 5: the fuck does he know that stuff? He's got, like,
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 5: insider conspiracy stuff in... American Horror Story. This guy is crazy.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 3: Serial killer deep cuts. Real deep cuts. That's an interesting
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 3: point you bring up there because you know, it begs
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 3: the question, yeah, who does this Muppet know? Because a
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 3: lot of folks think the CIA owns the Washington Post
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 3: now through, you know, the purchase by Jeff Bezos and
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 3: the contracts with the CIA and stuff. That's always been
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 3: a CIA outfit since the Watergate stuff with Ben Bradley,
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 3: the editor of the Washington Post. The vice president, I
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 3: can tell you for a fact, the vice president of
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 3: public relations for the Washington Post in the 70s and
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 3: 80s there, when he was in the 80s, when he
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 3: was an intern there, she was married to an OSS
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 3: Project Paperclip CIA guy. So that was, you know, whether
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 3: or not she was or not, her husband was, you know.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 5: All of this is connected. And Ryan Murphy's mom was
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 5: a Patsy Ramsey type, ex-beauty queen.
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 6: And like.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 5: That's how, that's how Ryan Murphy described her. This is
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 5: like a Patsy Ramsey CIA kind of like beauty queen
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 5: who met this higher up guy in like the newspaper editor.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 5: And they, you know, it's just, okay. So these two
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 5: got to get, yeah, these two got together and they
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 5: had Ryan Murphy and he just on his own accord, uh,
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 5: knows all this insider knowledge that he keeps putting into
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 5: all of his work. I mean, it doesn't make any sense.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 5: And when I found out that he was ripping and
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 5: running through the same gay scene as Herb, like they.
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 3: Were going to the same bars.
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 5: They were going to the same bars around the same
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 5: time in the same place.
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 3: That's wild, yeah.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 5: And he includes all this stuff in American Horror Story.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 5: It's like, how do you not put those two together?
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think most of the Smiley Face killer victims
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 3: in that area are straight victims. I can't think of
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 3: any of the victims around Indianapolis being gay victims.
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 5: And it's just, you know, the whole Dahmer aspect to this,
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 5: it just kills me. Because the way people carried on
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 5: when he made that Dahmer series... they were like obsessed.
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 5: They were dressing as Dahmer for Halloween. They were romanticizing
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 5: this guy. He's done a great job getting people to
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 5: romanticize serial murder. He, like the, the, the guys that
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 5: he chooses for like Errol, Eric and Lyle Menendez. He
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 5: chose like real good looking guys. And he chose a
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 5: really good looking guy to play Ed Guillen. And he's
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 5: like sexualizing serial murder. And like, he, he has to
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 5: be one of, you know, my prediction is he's going
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 5: to come out on one of these lists soon. Like he's,
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 5: he's going to come out. Somebody's going to be like,
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 5: I've seen Ryan Murphy at Zorro ranch. And he was,
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 5: you mark my words. He's going to come out on
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 5: one of these fucked up lists.
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 3: I don't doubt it, ma'am. And, and it, that makes
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 3: it kind of goes in line with the open secret
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 3: that this case is amongst folks in that area. I mean,
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 3: There's so much evidence of folks looking the other way,
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 3: uninvestigating things. And where's the feds involved in any of this?
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 3: I realize they don't have any direct evidence that he went,
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 3: that these victims were from out of state, but he
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 3: went across state lines and the international border. Why did
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 3: the feds not get involved?
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 5: That's what I'm saying, JJ. And he's talking about peanut
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 5: butter sandwich in his suicide note.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, because that makes sense, right?
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 5: Like, that's obviously code for something. Like, peanut butter sandwich
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 5: could be the location of where he put the tapes,
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 5: or where he's about to be going.
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Or, you know, whatever. Dead raccoons in paint, you
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 3: know what I mean? These all could be, like, just matter, like,
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 3: code words in a much larger tale.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 3: And again, I think the idea, the reasons why folks
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 3: are looking the other way, the reasons why it's an
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 3: open secret, the reasons why we have all these interesting
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 3: characters involved in the perpetration of the ongoing crime, the
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 3: alleged ongoing investigations, it could be matters of national security
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 3: involved in this. Maybe why the feds are not publicly
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 3: involved in it, because they're behind the scenes involved in it.
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 5: JJ, there's so many fucking layers to the Herb Baumeister story.
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 5: And why on earth nobody interrogated the wife as possibly
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 5: being involved in this, I will never know. it was
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 5: just like after herb killed himself they didn't even bother
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 5: going back and being like how did you not know
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 5: your husband had all these fucking skeletons in the backyard
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 5: right how did you not know when your son brought
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 5: you the skull on the stick how did you like
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 5: why did you not report that like nobody nobody went
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 5: to jail for this.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 3: Nobody nobody's been held accountable for this Right.
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 5: That's what I'm saying. Like, the wife could have even
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 5: maybe got some, like, second-degree charge of, like, what do
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 5: they say? Like, confiscating, obfuscating evidence or whatever. You know, like,
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 5: she was. She did. She did hide stuff.
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 3: I mean, if they investigated her at all, they could
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 3: have pinned something on her at some point in time.
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 3: There's no way she was out of town every time
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 3: these guys were coming over there. There's no way. I
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 3: say the same thing in the Long Island serial killer
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 3: case or stuff around that dude's wife. It causes it
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 3: to be suspect.
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 5: I know you've investigated, what is it, the Idaho 4?
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 5: Is that what they're calling it?
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 3: Yes, ma'am.
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 5: Did you see this new one? They got all these.
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 3: I've investigated the bottom of this bag of crackers. That's
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 3: what I'm about to investigate.
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 5: They got a new documentary on Hulu. It's called like
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 5: the Cornell 8 or something like this. They've given it
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 5: another like cutesy name. I haven't watched the documentary yet,
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 5: but when they give it a name like that, I
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 5: just assume it's, there's more to the story. I was
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 5: wondering if you heard about it.
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 3: Is this about that gal at Cornell who gang raped those,
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 3: that bunch of guys and they're all being victimized again?
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 5: Maybe. Cause it's called the Cornell eight or something. Is
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 5: that a real story or you just made that up?
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 3: There's seven frat guys that are allegedly gang raped this.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 3: I don't think it's a woman. I think it's a guy.
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 3: She's huge. First of all, if it's a lady, I mean, I,
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 3: I'm not like a small, she got bigger muscles than
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 3: I do. You know what I mean? Like she's big,
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 3: big lady, big lady.
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 5: That must be what it is.
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 3: But you know, there's all, it's all this con. I
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 3: don't understand all the ins and outs of it. It's
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 3: all this controversy. Cornell didn't do anything. There's no, there
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 3: was no charges. She admits in text messages or he
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 3: admits in text messages. It wasn't a, it was, it
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 3: was all, there was nothing illegal that went on there.
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean? So, yeah, I don't understand
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 3: the controversy. I'm not surprised there's already a documentary about it.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 5: Yeah, there's a documentary already dropped. Now, let me just say,
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 5: because somebody wrote this in the comments section, they said
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 5: that Idaho 4 is another fake show like Clancy. I've
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 5: been telling people for at least a month now the
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 5: Clancy stuff is fake.
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 3: Fuck yeah, that's fake. Yeah, that one I'll argue is fake, too.
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 3: I mean, Idaho 4, it continues to be more and
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 3: more fake as time goes by. They can't prove anything
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 3: ever happened in the stuff they do. Released as evidence
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 3: is laughable. So that Clancy case is going on in
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 3: the Plymouth Superior Court with the same judge as my
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 3: old stalker and want to be PR rep, Buffalo Jared Revisa. Now,
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 3: they'll publish news articles saying, oh, Buffalo Jared's got another
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 3: court hearing. But we just did this a couple weeks ago. Again,
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 3: here on Operation GCD, you go to the Plymouth County
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 3: Clerk and Court website. There's no public court record for
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 3: Buffalo Jerry Revisa in any of his names. And that's
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 3: the same court and the same judge overseeing this Clancy bullshit.
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 5: I don't even think she's in a wheelchair. I think
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 5: that bitch goes home and walks around. This is the thing, JJ.
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 5: When it first dropped, I thought, oh, well, that's really
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 5: fucked up if this is real. But now I've come
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 5: to understand that it's all fake. And what it's done
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 5: is give women who are suffering from actual postpartum issues
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 5: a an excuse to murder their family. And there's already
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 5: been that. I think of three, three women who have
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 5: actually murdered their families over.
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 3: There's a reason why the media doesn't, doesn't publicize high-speed
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 3: car chases anymore. Bank robberies because of the copycat effects.
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 3: So they're, they're publicizing all this shit everywhere. They know
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 3: that that's going to happen. Like there's an, that's a
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 3: no known that there's folks going to replicate that activities.
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 3: And the wife's always know. Edward Wayne Edwards' wife, Kay Edwards,
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 3: she knows a lot of shit. And she ain't saying nothing.
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 5: She's sealed up tighter than a drum.
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 3: 40 years that dude's murking folks around America and she's
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 3: just like, I never see nothing. I don't know nothing. Yeah, right, bitch.
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 3: You know some shit. There's no way I'm going to
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 3: believe that.
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 5: The wife always knows everything. Don't you forget it. The
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 5: wife always knows.
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 3: And I think that This wife knew, I think Baumeister's
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 3: wife knew. I didn't think I have the full clip,
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 3: but I have the reaction from the clip from the
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 3: documentary about his wife being asked the question about what
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 3: she knew basically.
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 12: What evidence is she looking for? It has to be
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 12: somewhere in all the files. As I was combing through them,
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 12: I kept seeing the name Thomas Ackerman. And I'd never
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 12: heard that name before. I was shocked because I thought
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 12: I kind of knew who the main players were, but
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 12: clearly I didn't. There is more stuff on Thomas Ackerman
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 12: than there is on her ballmeister. There are files going
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 12: back to the summer of 1993. There wasn't a body
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 12: until 96. So how does he fit into all this?
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 12: How is Thomas Ackerman connected to the missing men? at
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 12: fox hollow.
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 3: Farm i mean we very briefly we see the mrs
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 3: baumeister there's beginning from a interview contemporary to the events
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 3: in 96 and she's being asked if she thought that's
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 3: right it was you're right she's being asked if if
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 3: she thought her husband was guilty or not or what
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 3: you know And again, there's not a lot of evidence,
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 3: but the way she reacts to those questions, it caused
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 3: me to believe she knew a lot about more of
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 3: what she was willing to let on.
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and the whole thing, it was a setup from
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 5: the beginning because there was another interview with Julie Baumeister.
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 5: And they were like, were you just so in love
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 5: with her? Were you just so shocked by all this?
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 5: And she was like, well. We loved each other, but
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 5: it wasn't a romantic kind of love. It was more
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 5: like best friends that would just go on vacation together.
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 5: That's what she said.
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 3: Besties with a couple teenage boys.
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, it wasn't a romantic kind of love.
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 5: This was set up from the beginning because Julie's family,
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 5: it was like a.
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 5: Princess Diana and Charles, you know, it was just a
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 5: complete setup and Charles was never in love with Diana.
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 5: Herb was never in love with Julie. This was a
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 5: political thing. And so I think that he, his dad
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 5: probably forced him into the marriage with Julie just to
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 5: keep up the political appearance because he needed to have
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 5: her have a cover life and, And to be a
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 5: man of the.
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 3: Community, like Ackerman, you got it. You got to be married.
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 3: You got to have kids. You got to be, Oh,
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 3: I'm a part of these clubs. I'm a man of
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 3: the community.
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 5: She served a purpose. I think she benefited financially from
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 5: it and she lived in a big mansion and had
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 5: a pool and like all this stuff. So maybe that
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 5: was enough for her. You know what I mean? Some
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 5: people are happy with that. They're like, I have a
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 5: couple kids. I go on vacation. I live in a
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 5: big mansion with a pool. My husband cuts up gay
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 5: guys and throws them in the backyard. Like, whatever.
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 3: It might have been a mutually beneficial relationship. She's a lesbian.
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 3: He's a homo. You know what I mean?
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 5: Yeah, no. There's definitely something more to that. But what
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 5: I can tell you for sure is there's no evidence
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 5: that Herb actually killed anyone.
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 3: There's not. There's zero. Again, I haven't seen any evidence
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 3: to kill anybody. I haven't seen any evidence that he's dead.
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 3: There is evidence that he had dead bodies on his property.
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 3: I'm fine with that. He can be involved in a
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 3: lot of stuff and not have killed anybody.
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 5: What I'm presuming is that Herb, via his dad, got
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 5: wrapped up in a satanic cult thing And they used
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 5: him for a dumping site and as a finisher guy
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 5: to do snuff films and stuff like that. They used
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 5: his resources. And maybe he even benefited financially from that.
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, because he got money somehow, right? So he had
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 3: to have been doing something to get all this cash
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 3: and properties.
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 5: Let's just say he worked with a group of individuals
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 5: that would bring guys back to the house, and he
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 5: was making the snuff films, and they were used in
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 5: his backyard for the dumping ground. He was selling these
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 5: snuff films to somebody, and it was probably a very
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 5: lucrative business.
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 5: Because both of his Save-A-Lot thrift stores were going belly up.
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he wasn't paying the bills on them.
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 5: Yeah, so he definitely wasn't making any money from these
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 5: so-called thrift stores. And Julie was unemployed.
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 3: He was making money. The lead detective in the case
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 3: was trying to make money by selling evidence.
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 13: Right.
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 11: In the documentary, when Steve Hainsworth and I were at
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 11: Fox Hollow Farm with the cadaver dogs, Steve and I
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 11: and Rob Graves... were kind of hanging back behind everyone.
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 11: I'd always heard Westman kept some evidence.
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 15: Okay, so that's an interesting story. So when he was dying,
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 15: he had duped copies of everything. Suicide note, he had
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 15: a whole box, the Baumeister box, he called it. And
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 15: he said, you can buy it. And I said, how
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 15: much do you want for it? He said, $ 10, 000.
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 3: I said, I don't think that's a good idea to
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 3: be doing that. But he was sick.
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 11: He said Westman had a box of evidence. And he
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 11: offered to sell him that evidence for $ 10, 000. Is that
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 11: common practice?
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 3: Oh, absolutely. I mean, you go to jail for that.
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 11: For a police officer to remove evidence from a homicide
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 11: investigation and offer to sell it?
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 8: What does that tell you about the way this case
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 8: was handled?
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 11: I don't know that I have a response. It's so
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 11: horrific to the investigation.
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 3: You could go to jail for that, he says, yet
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 3: no one's gone to jail for any of this stuff.
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 5: No one's gone to jail for a goddamn thing.
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 3: And snuff films aren't real. That's what the FBI tells me.
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 5: Yeah. So, you know, this whole thing, JJ is so,
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 5: it's so secretive and so much has been covered up. It,
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 5: you know, a lot of these things that make it
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 5: like super, super big in social media and they get
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 5: their own like remakes and movies and, you know, there's
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 5: horror movies based on them and all that. You almost
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 5: have to wonder, those ones are probably the fake stories. Like,
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 5: you know.
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 5: And the ones like this, that nobody's making a fucking
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 5: horror movie about. Nobody knows about Herb Baumeister. Nobody knows
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 5: about this stuff. It's because these are the real bad
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 5: ones that they just want to erase from fucking history.
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 5: Because if you knew what actually happened, it would change
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 5: the way you thought of serial murder altogether.
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 3: I think you're spot on because you got to look
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 3: to see how they are telling these tales in media
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 3: and how they're glorifying serial killers in Netflix and Hulu
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 3: documentaries and Herb Baumeister isn't even in the conversation.
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 17: No.
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 5: That's what makes me think that this is the real shit.
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 5: And I think there was the lady, there was a
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 5: lady who wrote a book about Larry Eiler and somehow she,
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 5: she connected all the dots back to like Herb. And
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 5: I think she was found dead in some kind of
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 5: a weird accident or something like that. I mean, the,
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 5: just the, the stuff that has went on around this
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 5: case is ridiculous. Just ridiculous.
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 3: I don't, I don't think it likes me playing clips.
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 9: Yep.
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 3: I gotta fix the stream here real quick. Give me
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 3: one second, please. I don't disagree with you, ma'am. Did
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 3: they kick us off? Yeah, you know. It seems that way.
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 5: Bitches.
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 3: Well, maybe they just don't like this topic discussed in general,
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 3: but yeah, Hulu doesn't like their clips played, I'm sure.
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 3: That's Disney, right? Mm-hmm. Stream suspended for policy violations. Yeah,
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 3: but like, The chat's still up, right? It's weird. Check
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 3: this out. It's weird. The chat's still up, but it
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 3: is down. But we're still talking and the chat's still going.
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 3: And so this is very odd.
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 5: Maybe we should call it a night because they're trying
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 5: to get rid of us.
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 3: We see you. They did it again. Interesting.
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 5: Wow.
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 3: You see what I mean? Usually the chat doesn't still
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 3: continue going live. This is weird. Maybe I'm being stupid
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 3: here now. It does seem odd, doesn't it? Oh, there
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 3: we are. Okay, maybe we are back. All right. We're back.
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 3: We're back.
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 5: All right.
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 3: I want plenty more Hulu clips because they don't like that.
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 3: Here's a news clip, though, to show you what we're
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 3: talking about on the lack of investigations in these gaps.
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 13: The crime tape came down today.
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 2: After finding the skeletal remains, five people here.
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 5: Investigators say the search is over.
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 2: It was early last fall when Herbert Baumeister's kids found
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 2: a human skull on the property. Baumeister is said to
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 2: have taken it away and explained that it was somehow
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 2: related to his father's work as a physician. The skull
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 2: has not been seen since.
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 3: Weird, right? What skull? But that's a good point you
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 3: make earlier. The skulls would be the things being used
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 3: in the occult rituals, and that's.
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 5: What we see.
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 3: Numerous other cases, like the comparisons with Dahmer. That's obviously
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 3: what Dahmer was doing, making a.
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 5: Altar.
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, an altar with the skulls. That's right.
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 5: So, I presume they were running in the same cult.
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 5: Just like Ed Gein was involved in a cult, where
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 5: they were doing necromancy and grave robbing and some weird,
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 5: you know, whatever.
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 3: That's my hobby skull, sir. Leave that one be. That's
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 3: just there for... That's declarations. So there's that case out
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 3: of Wisconsin, right? So we're in Ed Gein territory. We're
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 3: in Jeffrey Dahmer territory just outside of Milwaukee. There's that
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 3: case in Wisconsin. That dude's father was, it's still ongoing.
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 3: That dude's father was a physician. He claimed that the
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 3: skulls that were found in his house were from his father, right?
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 3: Even though they found a bunch more shit upon the
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 3: later search warrant. He was stalking and kidnapping women, right?
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 3: Allegedly he had like a whole like dungeon, sex dungeon
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 3: thing going on in his basement there. along with all
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 3: these other things, a shrine to Ed Gein, a shrine
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 3: to Charles Manson. So that dude seems strikingly similar to
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 3: this scenario, right?
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 5: It's the same group, JJ. It's the same damn group.
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I haven't really seen any updates on that one. But,
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 3: you know, again, there's been almost, there was no updates
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 3: in the Baumeister case from 1996 to 2022. It was
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 3: basically just like Herb's dead. We have a bunch of bones.
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 3: Go fuck yourselves. You know what I mean?
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 5: So, the skulls never recovered. The wife doesn't get asked
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 5: any more questions. And when Herb dies, the entire investigation dies.
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 5: And nobody goes to jail for any of this. It's
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 5: just a huge, massive graveyard. Bones everywhere. nobody goes to
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 5: jail they're just like oh herb's dead quote unquote we
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 5: don't even know that herb died and they just close
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 5: all of it and i mean to me this just
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 5: reeks of let's try to bury this before somebody finds
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 5: out about the cult.
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 3: For sure yeah i mean this guy had a had
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 3: a piece of gacy's brain.
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 5: Do you think this guy could have just been a
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 5: weird serial killer obsessed guy that needed to be committed somewhere?
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 5: Or do you think he's part of the group?
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think he's definitely part of the group. Because again,
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 3: when I was watching the documentary, that's all I was
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 3: thinking about was that case out of Wisconsin. You know,
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 3: the dad being the doctor. You know, the bones. You know,
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 3: the collector. Like McGowan points out in the program to
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 3: kill this These ideas of these collectors that started erupting
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 3: across America in the 80s and 90s of these bone
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 3: collectors and serial killers.
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 5: So if anybody needs any more evidence to support what
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 5: JJ and I are laying down tonight, you can go
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 5: ahead and pick up a copy of Program to Kill
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 5: by David McGowan and go to the collectors segment of
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 5: the book. And there's like half a chapter just on
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 5: Herb Baumeister. And he beautifully links it to so many
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 5: other serial murders around that time frame. The I-70 murders,
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 5: Dahmer murders, Herb, and I think there was even one
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 5: other guy that he connected all of this to, but
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 5: I don't remember. It's been so long since I read
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 5: the book, but it pretty much outlines everything.
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and the I-70 killer is one of those spree killer,
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 3: serial killer incidents across I-70, largely between, yeah, Indiana, Kansas, Missouri,
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 3: and Texas.
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 7: Mm-hmm.
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 3: But I-70 runs right there through Indianapolis.
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 5: Killed men and women, it looks like. Mm-hmm.
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 3: Yep. And very, very different, you know, Manners of death, too.
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 3: It looks like largely 22s, but there was also I
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 3: think we have a strangulation of one of the victims,
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 3: I think, at least. It's been a while since I
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 3: looked at these cases, but you know, I think it's like,
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 3: so let's say in the program to kill since if
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 3: you have a group of folks that are doing the
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 3: spree killings, and that involves in this kind of you know,
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 3: operation kind of chaos program kind of effort. It evolves
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 3: into serial killings and bone collectors like, Hey, we got
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 3: a new, we got a new operational order coming down,
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 3: you know, like, uh, you know, McDonald's brings back the
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 3: McRib from time to time. They notice all their restaurants
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 3: saying we're serving McRib now. That's we're doing McRib suffering.
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 3: We'll notice throughout their little network. We're, we're, we're American
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 3: folks game in and collecting bones for ball guys. So,
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 3: Then we start seeing that same pattern of behavior replicate
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 3: in so many places. And I think that's why we
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 3: see it. Because it is a corporatized effort, if you will.
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 5: That's a good way to put it. It's corporatized. That's
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 5: a really good way to put it. They're employees.
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 3: I think there are policy memos. I think it really
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 3: is corporatized and shit.
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 5: Yeah, no, that's a really... These guys are... They're literally
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 5: like employees working... Wow. Yeah, that's a really good way
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 5: to describe it.
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, because it would explain also why Baumeister's on the
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 3: payroll of somebody if it's these kind of matters of
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 3: national security. And he's literally getting a paycheck. Edward Wayne
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 3: Edwards literally got a paycheck from the FBI. He was
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 3: a paid informant from the FBI for many, many years.
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 5: And, you know, Ryan Murphy includes a lot of stuff
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 5: about the Zodiac Killer in all of his work. And
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 5: he always says that it's not the Zodiac Killer, but
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 5: the Zodiac Killers, plural. Now, how does he know shit
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 5: like that?
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 3: Exactly.
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 5: Unless, you know, well.
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 3: Well, that's a great point. How does he know shit
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 3: like that? And he paints these ideas inside folks' subconscious, even,
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 3: and speaks to our subconscious. I'm not a magician, man.
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 3: I'm not a musician, either. I also don't think that's ghetto,
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 3: but it does seem to, it seems to be part
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 3: of this entire, like almost like a fucking matrix style,
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 3: fucking there, you know, of information that they're creating to,
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 3: to perpetrate these narratives, because you have to create that
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 3: kind of matrix framework for folks to believe this nonsense
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 3: out of this Baumeister case without, without causing folks to
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 3: trigger something internally in their brain holes. I don't know.
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 3: I should look into that more. That doesn't sound correct. Cause,
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 3: I got this clip from the private investigator, this former detective,
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 3: the one you were citing before, is being associated with
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 3: the JonBenet case as well, which I find fascinating. This
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 3: guy's story, this Muppet story, makes no sense whatsoever. And
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 3: I'll just let folks listen to that, and we can
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 3: comment on his tale here after this news clip.
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 14: A dozen missing gay men.
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 5: But the P.I.
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 14: Hit roadblocks with police reluctant to investigate. So Vandegrift developed
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 14: a profile of the killer.
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 6: A white male in his.
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 3: Late 30s, early 40s, married with family.
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 14: And soon an informant confirmed everything.
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 3: So we're allowed to believe this Muppet, Vandergrift, he's on
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 3: a real grift, he develops this profile that's just spot
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 3: on Herb Baumeister. And then he gets the informant after that. Well,
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 3: then how did you build the profile, buddy? Where did
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 3: you get the information from?
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 5: He also had aerial photographs of Herb's property.
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 3: Where did he get those from? I'm glad you said that,
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 3: because that reeks of national security. There's no Google Maps
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 3: in 1990, or 1993, or whatever. This is obviously some
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 3: CIA-level fucking surveillance imagery. I got a clip of that, actually.
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 14: Baumeister's sole survivor, who described being taken to a mansion
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 14: with a pool, getting strangled with a hose.
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 3: When he fake-passing, I think.
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 6: Baumeister thought he was dead and of course then he
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 6: opened up his eyes and he wasn't dead.
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 14: So that informant was key to cracking this case?
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 3: Oh absolutely.
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 14: The informant didn't know his real name yet but when
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 14: he saw Baumeister at a bar again he got bold.
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 6: Got up on one of the tables at the bar
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 6: and yelled out this guy's a serial killer somebody get
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 6: his license plate number. Of course that traced back to
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 6: Herba Meister.
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 14: Vandegrift also got aerial pictures of possible properties where the
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 14: informant was taken, and eventually, his search to find a
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 14: killer unearthed the monster at Fox Hollow Farm, along with
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 14: thousands of bone fragments, including the victims he was hired
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 14: to find.
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 3: It's so ridiculous. What's the profile? Do you call up
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 3: the CIA? Can I get some aerial photographs, some satellite
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 3: imagery of every home in northern suburbs of Indianapolis that
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 3: has a pool inside? What's the profile to even establish
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 3: which residences you're looking for? You don't even have the
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 3: informant yet. The whole thing doesn't make any sense.
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 5: Well, you know, the informant they're talking about is Mark.
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 3: Goodyear. That's right.
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 5: And Mark did know his name at the time. So
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 5: he was lying. Right. Even then, like, I don't know
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 5: his name. I don't know where the, the, I don't
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 5: know where the farm is. And he knew everything. He
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 5: knew everything.
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 3: The story of how they got Herb's license plate seems
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 3: to change along with the rest of the narrative over time.
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 3: We stood on top of a bar. to Mark got
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 3: it to Mark convinced one of his friends to get it.
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 5: Like the whole thing, you know, none of it makes
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 5: sense whatsoever. None of it, but I got to go
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 5: check on my son, make sure he's going down for
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 5: the night. But I think this is one of those
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 5: cases that will never be solved publicly. But the fact
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 5: that they're bringing it up again makes me question how
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 5: they're going to swing a new narrative. Yeah.
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 3: For sure. And what is the motivations for all these things?
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 3: I couldn't find out the precipitating event in 2022 that
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 3: caused this corner to be like, fuck it, I'm investigating
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 3: it all again.
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 5: That's what I'm saying, JJ. I don't get why they're
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 5: reviving it, but they have to have ulterior motives for
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 5: bringing this back.
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there's no one benefits from generating all this stuff up.
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 3: And where's Mrs. Baumeister? You mean to tell me with
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 3: all of this media publications about all this documentary, no
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 3: one's going to shove a microphone in that lady's face
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 3: all the time? Do you have any comments, ma'am?
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 5: I mean, yeah, because it's all brand new again. Like
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 5: with this docu-series and everything.
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 3: Oh, there's so many people hearing about this for the
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 3: first time. So many people hearing about it for the
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 3: first time.
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 5: Oh, she's dead. She's dead. I googled it.
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 3: Oh, she's dead?
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 3: So she's dead, Ackerman's dead, Herb's dead.
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 5: Herb's dead. I think that's why Mark said that when
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 5: he was like, well, there was a time when there
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 5: was people alive and I was afraid to show my face.
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 5: Julie's dead, Herb's dead, Thomas is dead.
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 3: And he was in hiding, right? Goodyear was in hiding.
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 3: So was him and just Herb out banging each other
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 3: in the woods or something? Shacking up in a cabin
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 3: or something somewhere?
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 5: That's what I'm saying, but You know, I know that
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 5: there is a whole narrative going on with that docu-series,
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 5: but I still think it's, if people want to check
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 5: it out, it's a good one to kind of get
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 5: some of the weirder details about this case. It's, what
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 5: was it called, JJ? Fox Hollow Farm, Playground of a
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 5: Serial Killer on Hulu.
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 3: Yes, ma'am. And it's definitely worth watching, and I'm... you know,
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 3: did they have the, the, the part two, the one
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 3: that I showed some close from in July, do you
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 3: think that was planned out? Like that's like, so I
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 3: watched them all at once.
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 5: Me too.
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 3: But if you watch the original series in February and
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 3: then release that in July, I just feel like that
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 3: was part of like, then we'll release one in five
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 3: months and be like, Oh, surprise. We have some unarchived footage.
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 3: We got some new information. You know what I mean? Like,
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 3: I feel like that was planned as part of the
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 3: story arc. So you're saying there's other things coming. The,
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 3: it seems that way with the way it's played out
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 3: so far, it seems like the story arc is continuing to,
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 3: to rise onto, uh, to, to, you know, well, my,
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 3: my headphone keeps falling out. Uh, it keeps on rising into, into,
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 3: into something. They're working on something.
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 5: I think that they're going to come back in like
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 5: Christmas or something and drop another one.
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 3: There's a fun filled family. It's a fun filled family
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 3: Christmas tale, right? Murder and mayhem and the American Gothic
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 3: of Herb Baumeister's Fox Hollow Farm.
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 5: You know why? Because in that docuseries, they keep showing
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 5: this home video of Herb decorating the Christmas tree. They
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 5: show it over and over again, and I'm thinking they
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 5: dropped one in February, they came back, they dropped another
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 5: one in July. They're going to follow up with a
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 5: weird Christmas bonus where they're like, we've uncovered the identity
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 5: of 16 more men and We know this now it's
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 5: going to be some kind of weird something for Christmas. Herb.
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 5: I don't know, but we'll see. We'll see. And mark
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 5: my words, people. Ryan Murphy is going to get name
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 5: dropped being on one of these lists.
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 3: I think he might be on to something. He might. Yeah,
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 3: he might. He might be far more active in that
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 3: community than we even know. Right. Definitely.
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 5: Definitely.
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 3: Joining me here tonight to get a little gcd this
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 3: is a real barnburn that was a real curveball you
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 3: weren't kidding about the uh the uh folks at the
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 3: interwebs thank you all for joining us here as well
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 3: for this uh spooky tale of the american gothic and
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 3: the legend of her baumeisters and do you have any
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 3: uh any closing commentaries and plugs for folks here i
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 3: got your your links in the show notes for folks Thanks.
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 5: Yeah, no, I'm running the Halloween special over on my show.
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 5: It's the 2026 Route 666 Halloween extravaganza going on over
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 5: on the Cosmic Peach podcast. If you want to check
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 5: it out, I did the deep dive on Ryan Murphy.
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 5: It just dropped. If you want to go check that out. And,
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 5: you know, the other day I was driving home. And
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 5: on the side of the road, there was a man.
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 5: Dressed up in a Sasquatch costume.
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 3: No shit.
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 5: With a Ghostbusters flag taped to his back. And just
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 5: waving at people. And it was the best thing I've
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 5: seen in months.
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 3: I knew it. You lived in Sasquatch country. I told you, man.
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 3: But that's a great sighting right there.
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 5: I thought of you when I saw this picture. thing
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 5: because i was like oh jj is always saying what's
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 5: going on in squash country and i'm like oh you
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 5: know whatever i've seen him now i seen him he
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 5: had a ghostbusters flag taped to his back.
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 3: Thought who would have thought they got ghostbusting squatches out.
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 5: There riding a bicycle down the.
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 3: That's talent dude that's talent you can't teach.
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 5: That that's no you can't no you can't but thanks
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 5: for having me jj I had a great time. I
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 5: hope you enjoyed it.
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 3: Yes, ma'am, absolutely. And look forward to joining us here again.
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 3: And until then, folks on the interwebs, watch out for lasers.
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 3: There's thousands of Americans out there.
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 6: By the way, I've been shot with a laser beam twice.
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 3: Hey, look, they got Ted twice. He ain't lying. Well,
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 3: that's it. That's the show here, folks. So the next.
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 17: Time you're out on the town visiting your local watering
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 17: holes or perhaps just meandering around, And you hear the
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 17: unmistakable sounds of metal clanking, and you spot signs.
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 3: Of a disturbance. But check your six.
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 17: Look in that garbage can, because you never can tell.
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 3: The GCDs may be loose in your town.
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 12: Bye.
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 10: Bye.