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Summer Supercut · Boundary Corner Podcast

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  Welcome back to the boundary Corner podcast.
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  I'm Curtis Wilson. I'm Brian Sigler, buddy.
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  Wednesday afternoon Wednesday afternoon, but for special
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  reasons me and you are getting ready to head on vacation in a
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  few Deuces. Deuces.
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  So finding out you're heading to South Boston for a little bit.
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  I'm heading. I'm heading to the mountains of
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  North Carolina Lake Lure. So some well-deserved time off
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  for your boys here, kick back, relax have a few drinks, see
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  some family. You know, you know, but we were
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  sitting here and it's like, what we got.
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  We need to hit one before we go ahead.
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  At least one episode it, right? Yeah.
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  Got it. Got to give you guys a little
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  taste to taste the something before we head away.
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  Otherwise it'll be a month without an episode.
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  That's just not like us. That ain't like us at all.
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  Not at all. You don't know us.
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  We try to pull one every alley every couple weeks during the
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  offseason to keep you updated. And what you're looking
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  primarily on the back, half of the at the episode today, Is
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  back in the late winter, early spring, we had three very
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  special guests on, then why can't some 24/7 hokey Legend of
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  white Vic and marketing connoisseur?
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  And I'm calling her a connoisseur because that's what
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  she is Christine and Garnett and when Brown went back and
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  listened to those. And there were some really great
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  things coming out especially what's happened in the
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  transpired months. So in just a few minutes, we're
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  going to pull out a few clips for you guys to listen to, and
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  kind of About this was five months ago and three months ago
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  and sort of what's changed with the Hokies.
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  But before we jump into that, the Hokey recruiting run has
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  been on a tear the last five weeks.
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  We getting some guys in the boat.
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  We getting some guys in the boat real quick, but the boat went
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  from mostly empty, too darn near full, in a matter of five weeks.
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  Heck yeah. Like 10 guys in five weeks.
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  Absolutely rolling. You know, I think we are now
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  officially up to 17 commits, which is wild and we're not
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  going to hit them all. No disrespect, you know two
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  guys, you know, like Bryce dukes and Jackson like you Johnny
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  Garnett mat Hoffman. All those guys are good.
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  Players Daquan right in their own right?
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  But if we did that we wouldn't be able to do the other episode
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  and trust us and Tucker Holloway missed him as well.
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  The speech. From down in North Carolina.
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  But we wanted to hit kind of Five Guys real quick that to us
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  have. Made the biggest splash and
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  we're going to start with the highest rated current recruit
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  Xavier Simmons. Getting the 336 connection back
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  going. The 6-3, 235 athlete.
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  The four-star. Top 200 player.
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  Brian. What do you think of this guy?
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  So I'll say two things here. The big thing is, you know, he's
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  the first real four star that has been for Star when he
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  committed to us in a while. That's that's big.
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  We'll talk about that second thing where he's coming from.
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  So we're talking 336, Greensboro North Carolina.
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  This is also the footprint of the Apparently recruiting
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  Aficionado Mack Brown and yet, here we are.
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  Are going down there, grabbing a guy from Carolina, you know,
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  pulling the fence back down a little bit here.
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  So I like to see that this kid is already the size, you like to
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  see in a linebacker 63 to 35. Good athlete.
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  Good tackler. I like this a lot.
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  Not just the fact that it's Highly rated guy a highly rated
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  guy in a recent Rivals backyard, but also the fact that he can
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  play some damn good football. Absolutely, he is a top 10
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  player in the state of North Carolina.
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  So that's really big, the other pieces.
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  You know, you look at, very good commitment list and I think
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  having the RT the size ready to potentially play regardless,
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  what happens is upcoming season? You know, this is a guy you want
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  on your team. Alright.
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  Now the next Guy, Brian, I don't think anybody knew Anybody knew
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  this guy before a few weeks ago and I'll be the first to admit I
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  was, I was a little bit upset and when they pulled the offer
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  and I see this kid commit and then you looked at its tape and
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  it's like that's different. This kid isn't some unranked
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  unknown guy, he just didn't get a Junior Day.
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  Malcolm Jones at a Leesburg Georgia, the safety, six 1285.
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  When Brian looked at his tape, I think you said 86, which we were
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  like. Yeah, I was like oh wow, that's
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  pretty good 2471, a step further.
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  Put them in an 88. So, haha three-star, what are we
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  getting from this guy? Brian?
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  Because it seems like he was on board quick.
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  Yeah. I mean I think this is and we're
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  to play a clip a little bit that Evans going to talk about this.
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  What's going on a lot in this cycle is that a lot of these
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  guys are under recruited because of the everything going on with
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  covid-19 getting Junior camps. Not getting Junior tape or
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  getting Junior tape late or not playing as many games as they're
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  used to. There's a whole lot of factors
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  at play here, so there's going to be a handful of.
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  I mean, we can Call them Diamonds in the Rough.
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  But that this is more of a, because of the circumstances,
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  just flat-out under recruited in the timeframe, where most of
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  these guys start getting on programs radar, but when we bet,
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  you know, you talked about being a little upset, when we backed
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  off of Sherrod, Koval once Clemson jumped in there.
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  And then you know this guy got in the boat shortly thereafter
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  that I think that is what you saw.
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  All right so we got we backed off.
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  Guy that we could still potentially have at least made a
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  run up until he committed and maybe even after for a guy
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  that's unranked. And then all of a sudden you see
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  his ranking pop up there, you're like oh okay maybe just not
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  enough Publications have given this guy fair look, you know
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  before now they finally have since he got a an offer from
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  Tech and then got when I had committed.
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  So I like him. I mean, I think he's going to
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  be, he may not be an immediate contributor, but If Lee was a
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  good pivot, if we decided we weren't going to pursue Sherrod,
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  Koval any further. Absolutely, still hate them,
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  pivoting off Koval because I think having an estate guy like
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  that. It's giving you attention.
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  They should not have pivot it off of them.
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  I think it was a bad move but obviously months later he
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  committed to Clemson. He also called it his dream
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  offer. Let's go to the third down in
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  the 75. Kyrie moist, and 65 220 in out
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  of Suffolk. It goes back to the theme that
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  started just, you know, 18 months ago.
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  We're getting bigger on the line.
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  What have you seen from this guy?
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  Obviously, three star need three recruit but Somebody Evan
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  mentioned way back in February, that commits, you know, 50 check
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  it check, his offer list, he's not light on the offer list.
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  I know a lot of those offers are coming from schools out west.
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  But you know, when you get a guy that's being recruited by
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  Arizona State, you kind of take a little bit of interest and
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  say, okay, well, they see something in him here.
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  Let's give this a look and really good frame.
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  Definitely goes a long with With what bill has been recruiting,
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  since he's became the defensive line coach at Virginia Tech 64,
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  220. So longer type player be he was
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  recruited by JC and Bill, their started definitely put their
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  footprint on the type of players that we're recruiting for the
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  defensive line and showing more height, more size in general,
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  but definitely more length and I like this, this kid, he plays he
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  plays long and he plays with good luck.
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  Courage. That's also be talking about his
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  offer list. You're talking about, you to
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  mentioned Arizona State. Also to that caught, my eye of
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  through, MC3 that caught my eye. Washington, always good
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  defensively. Indiana and Michigan stay with
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  Mel Tucker. So, maybe maybe it's one of
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  those things where it's, it was either I'm staying home, or I'm
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  going Way Out West and he chose to stay home, which is a good
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  thing now, Brian, the next one to me, As much as I love the
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  Xavier and Xavier is our Crown Jewel.
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  This guy's a real crown, jewel prashad, Pernell at a Highland
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  Springs defensive lineman six-foot-four 260 pounds.
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  Another guy that was mentioned and something that's been
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  mentioned, since we started, this thing is opening up the
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  gates to the 804 and opening up the gates to Highland Springs
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  and the biggie for me and you we set it.
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  What happened with Jabari Parker who had three or four places he
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  could go play. And taking a preferred walk-on
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  was sort of the kind of a busting of the door.
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  This is big Yeah, this is big getting back in the, the good
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  graces of Highland Springs which is probably right there with
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  like the Oscar Smith. So being the best program in the
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  state, being able to get Richard Purnell to commit.
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  That that's going to be big, not only paying dividends from him
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  as a player, but down the road as well, for getting some of
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  these other talented guys that come from that program back to
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  Virginia Tech. Especially with guys like
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  obviously Lauren Johnson being the coach there that that's
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  going to pay dividends for us down the road.
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  But let's just talk about Purnell himself, which I think
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  the reason that some of the other the bigger programs didn't
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  push harder, he's kind of a tweener think of him, kind of in
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  the morel Pollard type build. Their he's going to probably
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  play a three technique for us. He's taller though, so he's 64
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  250 by the time he's Getting significant snaps, he's probably
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  going to be in that to 65 to 70 range.
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  So I mean I like him as a three technique.
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  Probably has the athleticism, the slot outside if need be but
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  I like him as a three technique and like I said very much in the
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  in the mole of a Norrell Pollard.
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  Also yeah, just getting back here with the 84 getting back
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  with Island getting back with Lauren, it says a lot.
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  It says that whatever has changed the philosophy.
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  Of the recruiting staff. It's it's to us going in the
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  right direction and and you see Rashad Rashad doesn't seem like
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  he is a quiet kid. He seems very charismatic and he
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  seemed like one of these guys that will lead the way and be
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  talking to other guys saying you need to come in.
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  Probably the favorite thing I heard from him was and you
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  probably read the quote crime when Virginia Tech was good.
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  Players went there, something did white dick mentioned and you
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  hear kid like that, it's you, that's the mentality we want
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  now, Brian the next guy. Holy moly out of nowhere.
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  We had to see if it was true or not.
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  So you see something pop up and you're looking all around like
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  is this real? Is this guy really got an offer
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  Xavier chaplain from down in Beaufort South Carolina, six
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  reported six foot, six 370, also reports 65 340.
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  Either way, he is a big offensive.
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  Lineman you looked at his take just this morning.
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  Brian, what are we getting out of the currently unranked Xavier
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  ER, We're getting a guy that is big and can move for his
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  reported height and weight. He has good bend does a good job
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  of getting off the line didn't have a whole lot of snaps doing
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  past Pro saw one and it was more of like a sprint out.
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  Type play wasn't wasn't like a traditional spa for seven step
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  drop. So not sure how hold up in pass.
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  Pro could potentially be a guard or at?
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  Cool. You know, there's a lot of
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  potential there for someone that big that's also that athletic
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  his athleticism. Definitely popped off of the
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  tape more so than probably anything else.
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  Being able to see a guy that big with that much Bend in that much
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  quickness at the snap, which is scary.
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  Now, there are the reports that Clemson and Georgia and a few
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  other big schools are potentially.
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  Look at offering him to come camp with them, but Italy.
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  And this is what you know, people are saying happened.
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  He literally got the offer committed and went back to work
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  on the farm. I don't know if Glitz and
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  glamour will be the selling point to him.
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  So yeah, I mean he might like the idea of playing for storied
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  franchises or whatever, but I don't necessarily know if that,
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  you know, that shiny object on campus is going to be what's
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  going to lure him. Absolutely.
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  So hey Xavier for listen to this.
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  Virginia Tech has a great agriculture program, contact us.
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  We'll put you in touch with a guy named Wilkerson and he'll
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  hook you up and tell you all about it.
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  All right? Brian this the next nine days to
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  me we talked about it before. This is make or break.
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  Yep, for the class Friday Ramon Brown out of Manchester for
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  star. Top 200 guy, top 15 running back
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  in the country, is going to announces recruitment.
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  Brian who you feel? And we fighting him for, as we
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  get down the stretch here. So there was just a four star
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  running back, committed to Penn State's.
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  I'm pretty sure they're kind of out of the mix.
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  It looks like the the last two to give us a run is Maryland in
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  potentially South Carolina. I know that's going to that's
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  going to hurt the ears of some Hokies out.
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  There with with Shane Beamer being the head coach down there
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  but all things seem to be pointing to him being a hokie on
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  Friday. So we shall see how that turns
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  out but I like where we're sitting with Ramon Brown Razor,
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  Ramon Raisa. Say hello to the bad guy.
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  Let's go back when we were kids. All right.
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  The other one and this would be you always talk about this would
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  probably be the Crown Jewel. He's a top 120 player, he's a
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  local guy. He's got offers from all over
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  the place Gunner. Givens is set to commit on the
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  16th, I will be back from vacation, you will be still on
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  vacation and Seems like us and Penn State, right?
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  It seems like it's a two-man fight.
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  This is two men fight and I kind of like the home guys.
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  I'm not gonna lie. I like we're where we sit with
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  Gunnar Givens. I think we can get him in and
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  I'm not even sure if he's going to end up being an offensive
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  lineman forest or a defensive lineman for us.
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  But regardless skill-wise athleticism size, kind of brings
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  all of that to the table, all the things you want.
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  From a guy that's going to play line for.
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  You played a lot of different spots for his high school.
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  He's kind of blocked some, he's been tight in.
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  I mean he plays defensive line so there's a lot going on with
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  that but just in terms of, you know, by the top being hokey
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  land, no doubt, getting getting gunner in would be huge.
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  It would definitely help backfill on the offensive.
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  Line some of the, the holes we have looking forward your to
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  next year or the year after that.
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  So I really like that get. And it never hurts to get a high
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  rated for Star guy in your boat. Definitely helps the the
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  perception which I think is half of our recruiting problems.
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  In general is just perception, kind of shaping how the reality
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  goes forward. Absolutely.
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  And the last two recruiting classes did not help at all with
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  that sort of perception and in a lot of the stuff that we're
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  going to be playing for you guys in the next little bit here.
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  It talks about perception and things like that.
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  So you know, definitely, you know, stay listening got again,
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  stuff from Evan. The one Vic and Christina
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  Garnett. We're calling this our summer
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  Supercut and we're going to lead off here with with Evan.
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  He's going to talk a little bit about the what we just kind of
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  finished up their some of the guys that were looking at in the
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  22 class and how we sit and who we need to get into the boat for
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  this to be a successful class. Well, you know, I think, I
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  think, Virginia Tech needs to focus completely in the state of
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  Virginia. First, there's a lot of talent
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  in the state of Virginia right now.
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  You know, you can look at guys like obviously, there's Gunner
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  Givens at a lord, Baba taught, one of the top tackles in the
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  country, Virginia. Tech is definitely in the mix
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  for him. You know, you got guys, like
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  George Pettaway Ramon Brown in the state of Virginia.
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  I think those guys are both at least speaking with Virginia
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  Tech and have some Of interest in them, you know, you look at
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  guys like Isaiah Montgomery out of adult Landstown.
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  He's a guy that's a moderately ranked guy, but I think he's a
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  big-time offensive tackle but, you know, really looking at his
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  his possible projection at the next level.
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  I think he's got a lot of talent.
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  You know, Bryson Jennings dad played at Virginia Tech played
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  with JC price. I think you don't want to
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  overlook that connection, he's a four-star guy, out of Clover
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  Hill, you know, Richard Purnell, and Were one of the guys from
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  Highland Springs, Kyrie moist in.
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  You can get him out of King's Fork.
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  I think Virginia Tech can actually do really well in the
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  state of Virginia next year. I think Virginia Tech really
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  should take you. No take the 20 21 Foundation
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  that they set in the state of Virginia.
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  Try to build upon that and really try to take advantage.
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  I've been up here in talent in 2021 and try to rebuild that
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  roster with Virginia guys. Virginia Tech has always been at
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  their best when the Is littered with those guys that are
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  homegrown, so I think they should continue to try and mind
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  this in-state Talent. Alright, next guys, the white
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  Vic here's going to be talking about Virginia kreutz between
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  now and then, you know, as of today we have five Virginia
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  recruits of the 17 and looking at Ramon Brown and Gunner,
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  Givens, potentially coming, we could have seven and probably a
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  few more guys that are being chased as well.
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  But let's see what the white thinks about.
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  What's changed between the guys back in his day, 20 years ago.
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  And now They know more, they're more knowledgeable and social
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  media has helped with them knowing more about other
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  schools. I got my letter from Notre Dame
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  one time and I was a big Irish fan and I Had a nortre Dame
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  jacket because they know I was, I love Tony Rice, and the
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  rocket, and Bettis and Bets, and all those different guys.
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  They had taught fight, you know, you just like and Notre Dame,
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  you know, and I'm living in Hampton Virginia and I mean, I
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  wore that jacket, you know, I'm walking around Hampton and
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  Newport News looking like size-wise With a warning.
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  And I remember my dad said, you like them, don't you?
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  He was like, you know what they located?
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  I was like, nah, man. But I'm going, you know, and he
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  was like, nah, I'm in 10th or 11th grade.
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  And he pulls out. For those listening, they're
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  going to laugh at our old school, the old G's listener,
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  and encyclopedia, and he blows the dust off, and he opens it
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  up, and it's like, this is a map.
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  You live here in Virginia Notre. Dame is in Indiana and You know,
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  you start back. They do it now you get those
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  media guys and the media got, you know, you saw how they had a
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  lot of Dwight VIXX, you know, a lot of Dwight Vicks, you know,
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  on their roster and long story short, man, these guys now are
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  just more knowledgeable. They are more aware and I don't
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  think especially with the dip in wins with Virginia Tech, you
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  know, eight wins. In 75 and six it's two folds in
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  the 90s we were we were not we were the best kept secret.
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  The Tidewater area was producing tons of talent and now you see
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  the benefits between all the great players and the great
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  colleges now that come down there, you know, Virginia guys
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  have been leaving on the State Fair.
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  Ever, you know, Ron Springs went to Ohio State know, maybe no, I
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  forgot where Ron Springs is. But he's Shawn Springs.
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  Dad, but he went out of state. He went to Lafayette High
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  School, Lawrence Taylor who went to Lafayette High School from
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  the Tidewater area. Went to UNC obviously and had
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  Dre blah who went to UNC and you had drama Curry who was the only
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  player to win national Gatorade Player of the Year and all in
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  football and basketball and he The McDonald's All-American in
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  basketball. He won three state championships
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  at Hampton High one, national championship in football and one
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  state championship in basketball.
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  So this notion that, oh my God, your Junior players always
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  leaving that. Know, they've been leaving.
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  The difference is the Virginia that we know, compared to what
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  we grew up in? There's no longer the best kept
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  secret, Ohio state, Alabama, Clemson, the bigwigs.
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  They stay down there. Now, Penn State.
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  They live down there. Every now, and they were I pluck
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  a player from my area now and it's not just Tidewater it's
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  Loudoun County. You see a lot of those guys, go
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  to Stanford. The West Coast, Northern
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  Virginia. Kids are going out of state.
• 24:10
  And the other thing is, there's some other layers to it.
• 24:12
  The state of Virginia has improved dramatically.
• 24:15
  You look with LJ's doing Lauren Johnson and Holly Springs
• 24:18
  Veronica. The Richmond area was always
• 24:22
  known for basketball but now that's not the case anymore.
• 24:25
  There's some suburbs of Richmond.
• 24:27
  The Chester Chester feels the surrounding areas have
• 24:30
  Dramatically Northern Virginia, Westfield one.
• 24:32
  The state's three years in a row, used to be the tarwater
• 24:35
  Richmond, show, and football and basketball.
• 24:37
  That is changed as well. All that combines with,
• 24:41
  unfortunately, Virginia Tech and UVA picked their worst times to
• 24:45
  fall off. Yep, they did its best to you.
• 24:49
  Yeah. I mean, it UVA has been
• 24:51
  rebuilding for years and for years, Tecna fit, you know, Tech
• 24:56
  benefited for years because they're, you know, you look at
• 24:59
  that. Five team, I believe their
• 25:02
  entire defense starters, that were ranked number one in the
• 25:06
  nation or maybe that was 07-08. But pretty much most of their
• 25:08
  stars were from the Commonwealth and 2005 and 06 07. 08 Virginia
• 25:14
  Tech was signing and getting commitments from the some of the
• 25:17
  best players in this state. And then when you have Allen
• 25:23
  Iverson's the place, the code versus the Ronald kiriza Tyrod,
• 25:27
  Taylor's and all these guys. Mike Vick they started to
• 25:30
  emerge. Cruz and become household names.
• 25:33
  All of a sudden, it's a perfect storm and what makes things bad.
• 25:37
  If you're Virginia Tech fan is, you know, as the transition took
• 25:41
  place from bheema to Fuente people pick on Fuente that you
• 25:45
  know the cynics and critics but at the end of the day the last
• 25:48
  three or four years of being his tenure weren't the best.
• 25:51
  You had a lot of six in six seasons.
• 25:53
  You had that 18 and 5 season where they got blasted in the
• 25:57
  Sun Bowl against UCLA. Yep.
• 25:59
  And It's just not a good look. It's the worst time.
• 26:03
  Consider this during that time frame before.
• 26:07
  If Wednesday took over, you had a lot of guys that would have
• 26:11
  kept Tech afloat in that National brand.
• 26:14
  Peace. If they had shows Tech but Tech
• 26:16
  kept finishing second. You had the Devon Forbes and
• 26:20
  Ricky Slade unions. But you also had this on hand,
• 26:24
  Derek, naughty daily homes, and all those guys pick Other school
• 26:31
  and Tech was always second. Even your boy and went to
• 26:35
  Florida State the tall defensive end.
• 26:38
  I think His Name Escapes me, that went to Florida State.
• 26:41
  Yeah, yeah. Do your worst.
• 26:47
  Mistake of his life was going on there.
• 26:49
  Oh, I'm sure I'm sure because they told me he was going to win
• 26:52
  number two and I'm like yo and your body wearing Dion's number
• 26:59
  what they saying. But detective rain coming home,
• 27:04
  you know, we're number two. No sir, you know I'm saying?
• 27:09
  So like I did, you know, but I give Florida State and Ohio,
• 27:14
  State and Alabama and all the schools Credit, you know, Dasani
• 27:18
  and I was with him, people don't realize this, his first
• 27:21
  unofficial visit or visit to any University.
• 27:25
  He followed my wife and I on down with his high school coach
• 27:28
  at Virginia Tech. I introduced I introduced him.
• 27:30
  To Kam Chancellor and Tyrod Taylor.
• 27:34
  I interviewed him on cowbell, he's radio show at the spring
• 27:37
  game. The same day, Chuck Clark
• 27:38
  committed, Tim settle was that my football camp?
• 27:43
  You know, I used to do football camps.
• 27:44
  So I was doing a lot of high school subject in homes as
• 27:47
  picture and internet with me him and Mike he was at my Symposium.
• 27:50
  I did all those guys I mentioned were at my football camps.
• 27:53
  The only one we got was Tim settle and look what Tim said.
• 27:56
  I was doing for the Virginia Tech brand and also look what
• 27:59
  he's doing. For the Washington football
• 28:01
  team. Alright, so now that Dwight Vic
• 28:04
  is covered kind of the perception of recruits of the
• 28:08
  program. We're going to let Evan Watkins
• 28:11
  go into a little bit more about some of the support staff.
• 28:15
  Build out that Virginia Tech is looking to do and some of the
• 28:18
  new recruiting promotions that have happened within the
• 28:21
  on-field coaching staff. That's why we have seen support
• 28:25
  staffs grow year in and year out to Growing exponentially every
• 28:30
  school, you know, even your school's like Dominion have the
• 28:34
  moving your FCS schools. James, Madison is building out
• 28:37
  recruiting departments. Everyone needs recruiting
• 28:40
  departments. Virginia Tech has a recruiting
• 28:42
  department now, they need to Beef It Up.
• 28:44
  They need to pour some money into it.
• 28:46
  Take a lot of this pressure off of the ten assistance, and
• 28:49
  Justin Fuente and you know, hit the ground, you know, hit the
• 28:54
  pavement hard, hit the pavement fast and see, you know, kind of
• 28:59
  see what shakes out when you cast that really wide net then
• 29:02
  you filter it out. To your core board of recruits
• 29:06
  you want and let the coaches go out and try to Feast.
• 29:09
  Yeah, I'm glad you brought up tap because I mean that that's
• 29:12
  what we had talked about the same thing and really kind of
• 29:15
  reiterated, what you said is that, you know, it's a guy going
• 29:18
  to a similar type role with an NFL organization wants to win a
• 29:22
  title and he doesn't have to recruit can mean that that's a,
• 29:25
  that's a big part of what he's been doing day-to-day in the
• 29:28
  last, you know, year plus that now he's not even, it's not even
• 29:32
  on his plane. Or so, and let me go ahead and
• 29:35
  piggyback off that. So, you know, with, with Darryl
• 29:38
  Tapp leaving, we got JC price. Now, coming in and on top of
• 29:43
  replacing as the code defensive line coach.
• 29:47
  He's also taking on the the defensive recruiting coordinator
• 29:51
  position with Adam Lichtenberg taking over that as a, on the
• 29:56
  offensive side, getting a promotion there.
• 29:59
  What do you think are some advantages on the recruiting
• 30:01
  trail with this type of roll for these two coaches relative to
• 30:06
  what the Hokies are, trying to do with building that recruiting
• 30:08
  department up as well. So typically, you know, pre
• 30:13
  covid you would have your recruiting coordinators, you're
• 30:16
  on the field. Coaches with one or two would be
• 30:19
  designated as a recruiting coordinator, and that helps them
• 30:23
  on the road. You know, it doesn't necessarily
• 30:26
  help them when they're back in the offices, in the War Room,
• 30:28
  building up the board and, and doing all of that, that helps
• 30:32
  them on the road. You know, coordinating a lot of
• 30:35
  the stuff. But, you know, when you talk
• 30:38
  about like a recruiting director, recruiting coordinator
• 30:41
  essentially, right now, under covid rules, they're kind of the
• 30:44
  same thing because support staff is allowed to contact recruits,
• 30:48
  you know, over the phone on social media, things like that,
• 30:51
  and coaches aren't allowed to go out on the road.
• 30:54
  So there's not really that big of a difference.
• 30:57
  And to me, not really nothing. Really is going to change, you
• 31:02
  know, Adam, Tannenberg behind the scenes has been a phenomenal
• 31:07
  higher. In my opinion when it comes to
• 31:09
  recruiting he's a guy that's got a lot of contacts and he's a guy
• 31:14
  that is a tireless worker. I mean, he's whenever I talk to,
• 31:19
  you know, some contacts of mine or I talk to High School coaches
• 31:22
  or even talk to, you know, some of the contacts I have it jute,
• 31:24
  the Juco level. They all talk about how
• 31:27
  Lichtenberg is a guy, he may not win every recruit, but he is not
• 31:32
  going to be outworked. So and I want to, I want to make
• 31:36
  sure that people understand that that's not me saying he's gonna
• 31:38
  go out and land every person on his board.
• 31:41
  Yeah, that's me saying he is going to work as hard as humanly
• 31:45
  possible to give her Gina Tech. The best chance to land that
• 31:48
  person. Now, there might be somebody out
• 31:50
  there that can offer more. There might be schools, I can
• 31:52
  offer National Championship, you know, possibilities road to the
• 31:57
  NFL things like that, that Virginia Tech doesn't, you know,
• 32:00
  may not be able to offer it that position but He's a tireless
• 32:05
  tireless worker. So we do when you're back in
• 32:09
  Blacksburg and they're back in the war room and they're going
• 32:11
  over the board, nothing really changes for Adam.
• 32:14
  Lichtenberg this is the role he already had.
• 32:17
  He was already doing it, he just didn't have the title of it.
• 32:20
  The title was kind of a pat on the back.
• 32:24
  Thanks for all the recruiting help that you do.
• 32:26
  Thanks for everything that you've done for just under
• 32:29
  Justin Fuente Resume Builder. Here's your title.
• 32:33
  Price, kind of the same thing, you know, I've met JC price a
• 32:37
  few times when he would come to Virginia Tech for for summer
• 32:42
  camps. When Martin, you know, when they
• 32:44
  were always invite Marshall to come in and evaluate some kids
• 32:47
  as well? He was always there.
• 32:49
  Really, really, an energetic guy.
• 32:52
  My big question when they were replacing tap was I think JC
• 32:57
  price of great fit. I think he's 100% the the right
• 33:01
  guy to step into that role. Ah, but what he want to split
• 33:05
  duties, I thought that that was going to be a hang up, you know,
• 33:08
  not, everyone wants to share duties.
• 33:11
  When you get that job, you know, at the school you went to and
• 33:15
  you want to kind of be the guy, you know, you want to be the
• 33:19
  guy. You don't worry want to to split
• 33:21
  that role amongst somebody else. So I think this was a great way
• 33:26
  for Virginia Tech to entice him and say, Hey, you might be the
• 33:28
  assistant d-line coach, but we want you to oversee all of our
• 33:32
  defensive record. Reading, you know, and
• 33:34
  unofficially what I had heard was this was kind of what Justin
• 33:39
  Hamilton was doing. You know I don't even have the
• 33:42
  title of it but Justin Hamilton had a major say in all of the
• 33:47
  defensive recruiting make sense of the D coordinator should sign
• 33:50
  off. What this does is take a little
• 33:52
  bit off of his plate and allow him to spend a little bit more
• 33:56
  time on focusing on being the defensive coordinator.
• 34:00
  So you know, when it comes to You know, you know, breaking it
• 34:06
  down to like the brass tacks of it.
• 34:09
  Is there going to be a major return on investment by
• 34:12
  labeling? These two guys recruiting
• 34:14
  coordinators offensive and defensive, not that we will see
• 34:17
  immediately what I do think it does is furthers that Foundation
• 34:24
  that I talked about earlier that, you know, I think, let's
• 34:27
  say that the recruiting department does start to split a
• 34:30
  little bit into Juco High School.
• 34:33
  When and transfer portal, and all of that.
• 34:37
  Now, you can take that information and you can filter
• 34:41
  that into to record recruiting coordinators.
• 34:44
  Who can then look at it. Yes.
• 34:46
  No. And then, you know, kind of send
• 34:49
  out the hounds to do the recruiting and oversee it.
• 34:53
  And then when you think, you know, you go in that war room
• 34:56
  and you say, hey, we need, you know, X number of wide receivers
• 35:01
  X numbers are running backs. Things like That you now we'll
• 35:04
  have a little bit more buy-in with the ten assistance.
• 35:08
  Now, obviously the recruiting stop will heavily be involved
• 35:11
  there as well. No, but I think we're just
• 35:14
  looking at the foundation. And I've mentioned this before.
• 35:18
  I tell people all the time, don't get bogged down with
• 35:22
  titles in college football, because most of the time they're
• 35:28
  meaningless, and I don't want that to like, to not to belittle
• 35:32
  in either coaches, or taking anything away from sure.
• 35:34
  But associate head coach assistant head coach.
• 35:38
  I mean, you have a head coach. If he goes down, you have your
• 35:41
  number two. Okay, you don't need, we don't
• 35:44
  need three guys with this name. We don't need all of these.
• 35:47
  different, you know, ins and outs, and nuances of these names
• 35:52
  that may or may not coordinate with what you actually do as
• 35:56
  your job, which can then only make it murky or when you go to
• 36:00
  hire somebody, you know, you go out to hire a director of
• 36:04
  recruiting, you know, to replace John yet.
• 36:07
  See will. But will you look at the, the
• 36:10
  actual job duties of maybe? What might Mark diet horn?
• 36:15
  Does that might be more in line with the director of recruiting,
• 36:19
  where, then you might be looking at a director of player
• 36:21
  Personnel the higher but then you have to do another title
• 36:24
  switch, it just gets kind of convoluted and it gets kind of
• 36:28
  confusing. So I never tried to get bogged
• 36:31
  down into the titles because I think a lot A lot of those are
• 36:34
  just resume builders and, you know, reasons to give people
• 36:39
  additional income, you know, to give them an additional raise or
• 36:43
  a benefit. So I can try not to get bogged
• 36:46
  down on that stuff. But I do think what we are
• 36:48
  seeing right now is the early Foundation.
• 36:51
  It might take years, honestly, with covid and everything and
• 36:54
  financial issues. But I think we're seeing the
• 36:57
  foundation being laid for Virginia Tech, splitting out
• 36:59
  there, recruiting duties, and I don't think it can hurt.
• 37:02
  I think it can only help me. And after a lot of great points
• 37:06
  there from Evan, talking about the support staff and the
• 37:09
  recruiting stuff, take a look at the second part, we talked about
• 37:13
  perception. Christina Garnett gets into The
• 37:16
  Branding of Virginia Tech and it's a really interesting take
• 37:19
  here and she's someone that's offered multiple times reaching
• 37:23
  out to the program, but obviously, if you kind of take a
• 37:27
  look, what's happened. She recorders back in April,
• 37:29
  things have changed in the last three months.
• 37:31
  Like maybe they've been listening to some of the stuff
• 37:33
  she advised. The other thing is that, I find
• 37:38
  that if you look on social and you look at the hashtags and
• 37:43
  where the hashtags are being used, the hashtags, actually
• 37:47
  have the best response when it's done by the recruits and then
• 37:51
  when it's done by the commitments.
• 37:53
  So when they're announcing and they are aligning themselves
• 37:57
  with this, so it it becomes a part of the recruitment story
• 38:04
  less. So, And like the current story
• 38:07
  of the team, if you look at them like like for engagement wise,
• 38:12
  if it makes more sense because that's how their recruits are
• 38:16
  identifying themselves and there's so many questions like
• 38:20
  oh, you're committing to Virginia Tech.
• 38:21
  Cool. But what's a hokie being able to
• 38:23
  have rally cry? A hashtag dissociates with.
• 38:27
  This is kind of who I am and the hard hat.
• 38:31
  Mentality feels very much in line of what would be our
• 38:34
  version of Lunch pail, what would be this version?
• 38:38
  And so, I understand where that comes from the hard smart tough.
• 38:43
  I don't like, just because UVA did the same thing if like, the
• 38:48
  next season and we made fun of it.
• 38:50
  And it was, it was three words and I was like, yeah, it's still
• 38:58
  a homework football card, it doesn't.
• 39:02
  And so I think the Then why the lunch pail and Beamer ball and
• 39:07
  Terrordome matter. Is that their actions that back
• 39:11
  up. Those words, there are receipts.
• 39:15
  Yeah, so using hashtags for hard hat, like hard hat, mentality
• 39:19
  and grit and hard. Smart, Tha that doesn't really
• 39:22
  carry anything. Until there's something that
• 39:25
  accompanies it. Like, if you say Terrordome, you
• 39:28
  don't hear Terror Dome. You actually feel like what
• 39:32
  that's like As in your mind like, it comes with weights,
• 39:37
  like it carries stuck with it and that's the point of
• 39:40
  branding, if the some of the best Brands, it's not the word.
• 39:45
  It's what the, what comes with the word, it's what weight
• 39:49
  carries that think about, think about movies or your favorite
• 39:53
  song, or your favorite concert, or your favorite.
• 39:56
  Like if you got them, if I say McDonald's right now, You're
• 40:02
  probably going to think about what you're going to order.
• 40:04
  What's your go-to order or you might smell the fries.
• 40:08
  But you have something that comes along with the word, it
• 40:10
  might even just be the jingle, but the word on its own doesn't
• 40:14
  like it doesn't exist by itself, it carries weight with it.
• 40:19
  So the thing is is that for Branding they need to continue
• 40:24
  these until they are able to create with it.
• 40:29
  Or they need to embrace. What they what?
• 40:37
  They let go. Which was like, when you think
• 40:41
  of the lunch pail, I think of all the Times They carried it, I
• 40:44
  think of watching them putting like the grass.
• 40:47
  Yes. Like, it's not just lunch pail
• 40:51
  to me. It's like, I think a beamer ball
• 40:53
  their specific plays. Yeah.
• 40:56
  That come into your head. It's not the word.
• 40:58
  Like that's the thing about branding is people want to put
• 41:00
  like a word be like this sounds fancy.
• 41:02
  Like that. That's not the point.
• 41:04
  It needs to evoke an emotional response because that's what
• 41:08
  care. Aries, that's what creates
• 41:10
  connection. Another Christine has talked a
• 41:13
  little bit about how our branding is perceived by folks
• 41:16
  being recruited and by fans. Let's let Dwight Vic talk a
• 41:21
  little bit more about the perception that this coaching
• 41:24
  staff has amongst the fanbase amongst recruits and how that
• 41:29
  plays a role in the perception of the program as a whole.
• 41:33
  Absolutely listen. If I wasn't tied with Lauren
• 41:38
  Johnson, he's the best high school coach the state of
• 41:40
  Virginia, okay? You know, I'm saying.
• 41:46
  So like this guy Lauren, you get a couple of Holland spring,
• 41:50
  guys, because here's the funny thing about a perception again,
• 41:53
  two guys, I know Lauren Johnson his players, uh, Greg doors and
• 41:59
  Kevon Wallace wanted to be Hokies, and look what they did
• 42:03
  on the Collegiate level. Just look.
• 42:06
  I remember when I remember when Kevon got the call from Clemson?
• 42:10
  He was like, no, I want. I want to go.
• 42:11
  I'm all about today, trust me, trust me.
• 42:14
  I know this for the be Lauren Johnson and I are tight.
• 42:17
  He dated my sister only football player of my teammate, I let
• 42:20
  date my sister that's all he's married.
• 42:24
  Now to another girl named Kim and they had a beautiful family
• 42:27
  including a son who take offered the car stop.
• 42:31
  Yeah. So did the day it was he got to
• 42:33
  do that like tech tech. You got to get those guys that
• 42:37
  want to be Hokies that maybe the had three stars and Terminal
• 42:42
  building, and eventually, you create momentum and those
• 42:45
  pipelines. You saw in the late 90s and
• 42:47
  early 2000s. Those pipelines from Western
• 42:51
  Branch from Deep Creek, from Phoebus, from Hampton, from
• 42:53
  Bethel, you know, from Western Branch.
• 42:57
  You know, the Holly Springs the Hopkins Brothers Macho because
• 43:01
  they saw their older teen years in juniors going there, and they
• 43:05
  say, wow, they're playing, they're happy, I'm gonna go into
• 43:08
  and then then what happens is you're winning text already
• 43:11
  going to kill Lit when it comes to food lodging presentation
• 43:15
  because it's a beautiful campus. That sells itself.
• 43:17
  You don't the crowd Hokie Nation, the loved a show.
• 43:21
  Now, you got a formula for success, and I think that's
• 43:25
  that's the relationships right now.
• 43:27
  And I think to be fair to Fuente and his staff, the Dead period
• 43:32
  covid. You know, tap who would had a
• 43:35
  plan who I know he did. I talk to tap?
• 43:37
  That's my guy. I think they were going to be
• 43:41
  some great. Is done, but the Dead period has
• 43:43
  killed. Not just Tech, but a lot of
• 43:45
  colleges that need to get guys on campus versus a program, like
• 43:50
  Clemson in Ohio state that can sell itself.
• 43:52
  Yeah, but I think you get those guys in your walk on.
• 43:56
  You get these guys are even commit or guy, like Jordan
• 44:00
  Williams. You get those guys and playing
• 44:02
  well and they keep advocating because when they go back to
• 44:05
  that, when they go home for Thanksgiving and Christmas break
• 44:08
  and they go back home, they're going to recruit and soda
• 44:10
  program for you. Because when they're walking
• 44:13
  around the mall there at the basketball court in the weight
• 44:15
  room and you're like, that's Jordan Williams and he's got the
• 44:19
  tech tank top and shorts on these listings.
• 44:21
  Like, yeah, that's what happens. Nice to go back home and I mean,
• 44:27
  know me and Mike will go back home.
• 44:28
  Will you be at the old Coliseum all or New Market Mall here in
• 44:32
  the barbershop you walk in with your Virginia Tech, bowl game,
• 44:35
  sweat suit on your fitted cock to the side, your Bullring
• 44:38
  gleaming and your bag. You like, yo y'all I'll get like
• 44:42
  that. Yo was an awesome people like
• 44:45
  me. It is euphoric for the fans and
• 44:48
  the kids who are up next. That's how you create the
• 44:52
  connection that dynasty. That, that whole, I want to be a
• 44:56
  part of it. It can't just be a coach.
• 44:59
  It's got to be your perception, your players who are currently
• 45:03
  there, who would like, yo, like look at Oscar Smith, another
• 45:06
  pipeline, JC Coleman. He was on my on my, on my show
• 45:10
  and he talked about how He would come back and he got a lot of
• 45:14
  guys there. They come to Tech from Oscar
• 45:15
  Smith, you know. Yeah.
• 45:18
  Yeah. And you know he talked about
• 45:20
  covid and I feel like for a school like Virginia Tech for a
• 45:24
  team like Virginia Tech that's really trying to recapture some
• 45:27
  of that momentum on the recruiting Trail covid.
• 45:30
  Just was like the worst possible time because like I said,
• 45:33
  getting kids on campus is like it's part of the battle and
• 45:36
  being able to put tax plan in place for getting back in the
• 45:40
  high schools, the way it was done before.
• 45:41
  Nearly all of that was something that could have helped with that
• 45:45
  perception, with that momentum going into 21.
• 45:48
  And now, you know, we've got a dead period this now extended,
• 45:52
  what through the end of May. So yeah, I understand that, I
• 45:57
  don't. Yeah, I mean, I don't know.
• 46:00
  It's weird. I do think though, if we can
• 46:06
  hopefully have this spring game, I don't even know if that's
• 46:10
  going to happen or some type of showcase or something where Tech
• 46:16
  and get in front of somebody kids or vice versa.
• 46:19
  So I think you're going to get some more kids.
• 46:21
  I just love the changes, they've been doing in the offseason, I
• 46:25
  don't really get hype about a lot of stuff in the offseason
• 46:28
  because you never know. I mean you never know with
• 46:30
  attrition DUIs in eligibility academics, you just never know.
• 46:34
  I mean it's the that's what makes it beautiful the unknown,
• 46:38
  the unexpected. That's also sometimes when makes
• 46:40
  it painful and Judgmental because the unknown we don't
• 46:43
  know what we can build on which is why Vegas has so much money.
• 46:47
  But at the end of the day, I guess I do like the higher like
• 46:52
  the people who are in blacks were right now.
• 46:55
  Because I think you know, when that day period is they know,
• 46:59
  from what I know and talking to people Pearson pray those on
• 47:02
  that staff. We played together for years at
• 47:04
  Tech. That's my brother Justin
• 47:07
  Hamilton's my guy. I know they want to win and they
• 47:11
  get It and they were there, they know what it takes, but they're
• 47:14
  handcuffed right now to some degree with covid.
• 47:17
  It's a it's it's a tough situation and make no mistake
• 47:20
  about it, you know? I lost him close people to covid
• 47:23
  and I'm sure you guys know some stories as well.
• 47:25
  And may have lost a few. It is serious.
• 47:28
  I'm not going to get political, I don't know.
• 47:30
  It's it's real. You can feel like it's whatever
• 47:32
  hopes. I know, it's real and small
• 47:36
  businesses and a lot of people have been affected and I'm just
• 47:39
  praying and eventually gets contained and we get back. some
• 47:42
  normalcy because for me just you know, football and sports
• 47:46
  especially Virginia Tech Spring Game, all that stuff is
• 47:48
  therapeutic for me and so many other people and hopefully you
• 47:52
  know, we can get over this hump and get back to you know,
• 47:56
  getting guys in that stadium and seeing that place where I can
• 47:59
  again, 100%. We got to attend that first
• 48:04
  spring game, the first year of Jetson, Puentes 10 year and it
• 48:09
  was great me and this guy, we drove up, we drove back down,
• 48:12
  hit all the spots. I'm also a couple things.
• 48:15
  Why jump to my next question? You mentioned Jordan Williams, a
• 48:18
  lot of people get on to Wednesday like he doesn't have
• 48:21
  personality yada yada, whatever Jordan Williams said something.
• 48:24
  When he came back, he basically he said Tech was the runner-up.
• 48:27
  He's like the relationship I forged with coach for Dante, was
• 48:31
  it held a lot to me? And it was almost like a way he
• 48:34
  said and when I saw the opportunity you know Clemson's
• 48:38
  bringing people in and I'm seeing less opportunity.
• 48:42
  I still had the relationship with the head coach.
• 48:44
  So as you said before it matters and the perception our head
• 48:47
  coaches getting, maybe it's, maybe it shouldn't be that way
• 48:51
  because of those words from Jordan Williams, but you
• 48:54
  mentioned tap, now he's gone to the NFL of my 49ers, that's beat
• 48:58
  him. But man, let me tell you, Um
• 49:01
  they brought in your teammate. Somebody you have interviewed on
• 49:05
  Victory Life JC price. Yes sir.
• 49:07
  How do you feel about him coming in and you know I'm assuming
• 49:13
  he's going to probably pick up the reins of a lot of what
• 49:15
  Darryl was going to do. Jason price is a man's man, he's
• 49:19
  your defensive line Mommy, I can tell you right now.
• 49:22
  Jason price is a guy you want to play for and you know they
• 49:26
  upgraded because tap was energetic.
• 49:30
  Eric knowledgeable, insightful and was with it.
• 49:32
  You see the 49ers grab them so he knows what he's doing but to
• 49:36
  be fair he actually probably is in that same position and
• 49:40
  probably more knowledgeable and experienced because he's been
• 49:42
  coaching longer, he was on the staff and he led the way when
• 49:47
  JMU gave took one of the biggest upsets in college football
• 49:50
  history, the year Tech win. The ACC in 2010, their bike
• 49:53
  riding Ryan Williams. So at the end of the day, the
• 49:57
  guy knows tank and he can coach and you know, You don't you
• 50:01
  looking you, people say oh you know he was at a mid, you know,
• 50:04
  made Marshall look you don't make Marshall and JMU relevant
• 50:09
  by not knowing the landscape of the state and getting players
• 50:12
  that wanted and some should have gone to.
• 50:15
  Okay God, do your homework. When you talk about these guys
• 50:18
  on Twitter, JC price was it was definitely a great hire when it
• 50:23
  comes down to it, man. No Fuente.
• 50:27
  You know we all be critical man because it's tough out.
• 50:30
  On a ledger and he, you know the time out this past year against
• 50:33
  Liberty. Oh my gosh.
• 50:35
  I felt for him. I was pissed but I was hopeful,
• 50:39
  you know, I made a mistake. Yeah.
• 50:41
  I made mistakes as a player. I mean, how many times?
• 50:44
  You know it has a llama so bad when he got called for holding
• 50:47
  and they gave the winning touchdown.
• 50:48
  I mean, or he'll go, Shayne Graham, talked about that, on
• 50:52
  my, so he missed a field goal that would have wanted to beat
• 50:54
  us in Miami beat Miami, in Miami, in the winning in
• 50:57
  overtime, but he felt awful that whole week.
• 51:00
  At the end of the day, man, you know.
• 51:01
  Listen, it happens. I think the whole personality
• 51:05
  thing is tough because went a, when you, he doesn't, he doesn't
• 51:09
  come across well on TV. The same way dabbled as you know
• 51:14
  dabble you know to sometimes can be corny.
• 51:16
  That's me. He is you know, you know, but
• 51:20
  it's players love them and they'll you know, they'll go to
• 51:23
  bat for him and they fight for him.
• 51:25
  And he's able to convince guys that shouldn't come back to come
• 51:28
  back and pursue a national champions.
• 51:30
  Ship and and that and Fuente is just got to be him.
• 51:33
  And to be fair, you know, the Beamer you guys saw a late in
• 51:37
  his career when he was turning his head and dab it and dancing
• 51:40
  and dancing in the locker room and UVA.
• 51:43
  But being more didn't exist. When I was at tank, if you
• 51:48
  remember, he looked like he would kill somebody on the
• 51:57
  sidelines. Same word as JC Coleman and
• 52:02
  Brandon Flowers and Chris Ellis. God was not to be.
• 52:06
  We were there when he was building when he was on the hot
• 52:09
  seat. When he couldn't afford a laws,
• 52:12
  you guys understand something. That's what I'm saying looking
• 52:14
  for into now and if he stays and keeps winning, he'll be a lot
• 52:18
  different. Then you got to be careful when
• 52:20
  you compare because Beamer doesn't come across as man.
• 52:24
  This guy's killing a room. You know, that's not Beamer but
• 52:28
  the same time you See him. Now with his little dog, Frank,
• 52:32
  Hank, whatever, and he's walking around, he's cracking jokes and
• 52:35
  he's always been a funny guy that would roast you on the low
• 52:37
  and he's always been, you know, highly respected and just
• 52:40
  someone you want to be around and he was all, he's always been
• 52:43
  funny but you know, early in his career which I was there for, it
• 52:48
  wasn't fun and games. You know, after big wins.
• 52:51
  He might let's go and throw the fist in the air and hug, guys,
• 52:54
  whatever. I mean, we beat Miami for the
• 52:57
  fourth year in a row, in the old Orange Bowl went before It
• 53:00
  became Pro Player Stadium or whatever it's called now.
• 53:03
  I don't know. A name and Pizza Hut RS.
• 53:05
  I don't know what it's called but you know, we beat them back.
• 53:08
  Then I remember in a locker when I was elated and I'll hug them
• 53:11
  and I was just like cause we want.
• 53:12
  He was like, Hey, great, when you know, I was like, okay, you
• 53:15
  know, like he went he was he was different, you get older become
• 53:20
  a grand dad and Shane's now, a man and doing his, you your
• 53:23
  looser, you know, your job secure, you can you let your
• 53:27
  guard down a bit? You know, he wasn't doing the
• 53:29
  Nae Nae Ane. All that do Millie WAP and all
• 53:31
  that stuff, you know when we would are.
• 53:34
  So In fairness of Wednesday, he's not going to be doing all
• 53:40
  that right now. He's not going to come on TV and
• 53:43
  crack jokes because In fairness to him everything now on Twitter
• 53:48
  and social media is used against them even if he slips up,
• 53:53
  whether it's a timeout or he missed says someone's name or
• 53:57
  you know he's guarded about who he's going to start.
• 54:00
  You know, it's just going to be his, everything's, you know,
• 54:02
  we're on edge, because Hokie Nation.
• 54:04
  If there's a fan base, that deserves a national championship
• 54:07
  and deserves answers and deserves wins, its Hokie Nation.
• 54:11
  I mean, you look at the Red Sox before they got over the hump
• 54:15
  that Cubs the Cavaliers and basketball.
• 54:18
  Virginia Tech has suffered Decades of.
• 54:22
  We almost had them like the dollar and that insurance
• 54:24
  commercial. We have almost had it so many
• 54:26
  times the Matt Ryan You know, go back to my years, the temple
• 54:30
  game on the goal line, we're ranked 14th, we win that game,
• 54:34
  we jump on the top eight, you know, the loss against Kansas,
• 54:38
  you know in the Orange Bowl and Brandon Brandon or sit out the
• 54:41
  first half because of Team violation, rules Tech has been
• 54:45
  on the doorstep for years and now with the offense of talent
• 54:50
  and the offensive scheme, whether we want to admit it or
• 54:53
  not, we made it up in our mind that we're going to be in this
• 54:55
  National Championship especially when we come out the gate.
• 54:58
  In 2016, and take Clemson to The Verge and we get down there for
• 55:04
  what they said after the game, he's going to go for two and you
• 55:06
  got Bucky and I say, afford you like man, Clemson is Clemson and
• 55:10
  we won the coastal in his first year and we did it to myself
• 55:15
  with the expectations. So now, you know, I don't think
• 55:19
  Jordan Williams is mine, you know?
• 55:21
  Ask me. I don't think Ashley's line
• 55:23
  Richard Ashby. I don't think Pablo's.
• 55:25
  I don't think Stan Rogers a line.
• 55:27
  That's their coach. I think he's just guarded, I
• 55:30
  think he's just going to get, you know, be who he is.
• 55:34
  And I don't really care if he, you know, didn't speak.
• 55:38
  And just talk in Sign Language, I just need wins.
• 55:43
  You got to love the white and then all this takes, obviously,
• 55:48
  one of our coaches just a few days ago, got on Twitter and
• 55:53
  things happened. If you were there, you were
• 55:55
  there. But let's listen to Christine
• 55:58
  again talking about more how we are perceived on Twitter.
• 56:02
  And again it's one of those things that in the last few
• 56:05
  months things have changed. You're seeing different.
• 56:08
  We're not seeing the time tweets anymore.
• 56:10
  So again maybe they've been listening Let me ask this about
• 56:15
  Twitter. Yeah, and if you don't want to
• 56:18
  answer it, you don't have to give me a number grade that you
• 56:24
  would give the Virginia Tech football.
• 56:26
  Twitter account, number great, not letter.
• 56:29
  Number grade wondering 100. It's an 80.
• 56:34
  It's an 80 they're doing. Okay, I'm glad that they're,
• 56:38
  it's, it's their Twitter wears a tie.
• 56:47
  It's, it's to curated the copies to clean the scheduling's to
• 56:53
  like specific, even if it's a brand needs, what it needs to
• 56:58
  feel like there's a fan at the bank.
• 57:01
  Okay, so I'll go back to McDonald's because I know
• 57:03
  someone on their social media team and I love what they're
• 57:05
  doing. Some of the best stuff that
• 57:07
  McDonald's has been doing is they're being incredibly
• 57:10
  vulnerable and real and Talking about customer experience like
• 57:14
  one of the tweets that they did that they did that.
• 57:17
  I absolutely loved was it's never, how are you doing social
• 57:20
  media manager? It's always one.
• 57:21
  Is McRib coming back or is are you feeling okay you've barely
• 57:28
  touched the top of your cup because they were like you poke
• 57:31
  the the top like you poke the little bubbles.
• 57:33
  Okay. Another one was.
• 57:36
  Can I get? It feels so human and so you
• 57:41
  want. You want it to feel human, it
• 57:48
  needs to feel like the person who's doing the copy and who is
• 57:52
  typing, and seeing the same, seeing the same game that you
• 57:56
  are an ass prostrated when you're frustrated and happy when
• 57:59
  you're happy and it's just it's a lot of hashtags and it's a lot
• 58:03
  of emojis and it just doesn't feel authentic.
• 58:09
  Okay. And that's what it you're right.
• 58:43
  And you just that is just such a great analogy to what our
• 58:48
  Twitter is. And and I'm going to say what I
• 58:51
  said a couple seconds ago. This is a football, Twitter we
• 58:55
  nice wear your tie very cordial sport.
• 59:00
  It's pop. It's hitting each other, it's a
• 59:03
  lot. But let's also compare it to a
• 59:06
  know, we've talked about Mike young earlier but let's go.
• 59:08
  Here Hokies Football Twitter account with the Hokies men's
• 59:13
  basketball, Twitter account and the type of Engagement that they
• 59:19
  were getting this season and the type of tweets that they were
• 59:22
  sending out and how those were tracking with the fan base and
• 59:27
  it's night and day. And I know who runs that
• 59:31
  account. And I they're younger and they
• 59:36
  are passionate about the team. Mmmmm.
• 59:39
  Yeah, and it reads it reads that way.
• 59:42
  I mean there's I also love the fact that I love that there
• 59:47
  doesn't always have to be there, doesn't always have to be a
• 59:51
  graphic, okay? And you can be playful with
• 59:55
  Emoji playful with gifts. And you can, I love that there
• 1:00:00
  is it just feels like I can tell a fan is running the basketball
• 1:00:07
  account. It feels like they're watching
• 1:00:11
  the game with us. Yep.
• 1:00:13
  Yep. And I am also a fan of if you
• 1:00:17
  can do short, copy always do short.
• 1:00:19
  It's so much easier. Like it's the shorter.
• 1:00:25
  It is. The more likely it is to come
• 1:00:27
  across as healthy and get to the point, the more copy there is
• 1:00:33
  the more it feels didactic and serious.
• 1:00:36
  Like I don't need it to be serious.
• 1:00:38
  Like height me up like make it, make it feel special.
• 1:00:42
  Let me, let me know what you're doing, and then I like that,
• 1:00:47
  they, I like that both of them that both accounts are starting
• 1:00:50
  to share, like, third-party content, but I think there's
• 1:00:53
  opportunities to do something really cool.
• 1:00:55
  Like, for example, I would love it.
• 1:00:59
  If they brought back one of like, find an old, find an older
• 1:01:05
  and older player, alumni who are really good.
• 1:01:09
  Twitter who get it, have them do a take over for the game, okay?
• 1:01:15
  Account for the day, it'll give it'll get flavor, it'll feel
• 1:01:19
  very different. People who've never turned in
• 1:01:21
  before, will turn in to say hi. I think, I think there's just so
• 1:01:25
  many opportunities to be able to do that.
• 1:01:28
  The other thing that I think was a missed opportunity was there
• 1:01:31
  weren't a lot of players that were, there were a lot of people
• 1:01:36
  who were able to watch the game last year and There were a
• 1:01:39
  couple people who were able to go and did like a few minute
• 1:01:41
  lives. But what I think would have been
• 1:01:44
  really, really, really cool. Is they because they ask for
• 1:01:49
  money like can you will take your money and you just like
• 1:01:53
  forgive your seat. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:01:56
  What if you did a private like what if you did a video you
• 1:02:00
  linked it and you have a camera from one specific seat, it could
• 1:02:05
  be at the 50-yard line and you just have someone recording live
• 1:02:09
  and you get access to that to that feed.
• 1:02:12
  So you get to watch the game from that seat for the whole
• 1:02:14
  game. Instead of watching it on TV,
• 1:02:16
  you get to actually it's as close as To get to feeling like
• 1:02:18
  you're in the stadium and you pay extra for it, whatever you
• 1:02:22
  wanted to put for it. But you can call it like the
• 1:02:24
  50-yard, the 50-yard seat. Yeah, someone will be there and
• 1:02:28
  they'll move the cameras, the plays are happening, but you'll
• 1:02:32
  get to be as close as you can to being Lane.
• 1:02:35
  During all of that. I feel like that was a missed
• 1:02:37
  opportunity. I love the metaphor about our
• 1:02:42
  Twitter. Wearing a tie.
• 1:02:44
  Yeah, what about favorite metaphors from that episode?
• 1:02:48
  But let's pivot a little bit to how kind of covid impacted some
• 1:02:53
  of the off, the field stuff and some of the on the field stuff
• 1:02:57
  from the 2020 season. So Evan Watkins broke that down
• 1:03:02
  in our discussion with him back in February so we'll let him
• 1:03:05
  take off on that again here. Like I mentioned earlier if
• 1:03:09
  you're outside that top 400, guys going into the state of are
• 1:03:12
  going into your senior year with, as many kids didn't get to
• 1:03:15
  play their senior senior year with zero summer camps.
• 1:03:20
  I take a lot of that. Throw it out the window.
• 1:03:22
  You know, if you're a five-star five-star we all can see it.
• 1:03:25
  But if you're if you're a mid 3 star and a high three-star,
• 1:03:31
  what's the difference? If you're a low forestall, if
• 1:03:33
  you know, you're a an 87 and a 90 The difference between a 3
• 1:03:38
  star 4 star, there's really not that much difference.
• 1:03:42
  When you think when you add in the fact that there was no camps
• 1:03:45
  no spring workouts, and possibly no fall.
• 1:03:49
  So, you know, I think Virginia Tech signed some good football
• 1:03:52
  players in this class. The rankings won't necessarily
• 1:03:55
  reflected, as well, as I think it should.
• 1:03:58
  But I do think they did well adapting in this environment
• 1:04:03
  that was almost unable to be planned for.
• 1:04:07
  Let's go ahead and pick you back straight off of that because I
• 1:04:09
  feel like, you know, you hit hard on like, you know, not
• 1:04:12
  having the lot of senior tape for these guys not having really
• 1:04:16
  any of the Camp's. What guys, in this class, do you
• 1:04:20
  think had the biggest potential for that kind of offseason
• 1:04:23
  bumper that senior season bump? If we were operating business as
• 1:04:26
  usual? You know, I think in in state,
• 1:04:31
  you know, I look at a guy like like a Jalen strowman I think
• 1:04:34
  Jalen's strohman a very good football player and I think he
• 1:04:38
  was really coming into his own as a junior, obviously he has
• 1:04:42
  some advantages being Greg's little brother and and some of
• 1:04:45
  the guys he worked out with and trains with.
• 1:04:47
  He's got really good size range and speed.
• 1:04:50
  I think he probably would have been in line for one Jalen
• 1:04:52
  Jones. Another thousand yard receiver
• 1:04:55
  in at a Richmond now didn't play The best competition in the
• 1:05:00
  world. But if you can put together
• 1:05:02
  back-to-back thousand yard receiving years that's hard to
• 1:05:05
  deny. You know, guys like that.
• 1:05:07
  I think Kelly Lawson probably had the most outside.
• 1:05:11
  Yeah. If Kelly Lawson could camp and
• 1:05:15
  had a senior year before signing day, I would not be shocked if
• 1:05:20
  he was a four-star by some rankings.
• 1:05:22
  I mean you look at what he's done.
• 1:05:24
  You look at his first, you will do the body and you think like,
• 1:05:27
  you know, he And play anything. Is he?
• 1:05:29
  The next Tremaine? Is he the next?
• 1:05:31
  Amari bar know, you know, we don't really know right now, but
• 1:05:35
  you look at what he does in his workouts you look at and you
• 1:05:39
  don't think he was clocked. Was he clocked at 20?
• 1:05:42
  Please o'clock at 26 on one of the, one of his training videos?
• 1:05:46
  It was, it was Unreal, how fast he was moving on.
• 1:05:50
  One of the, the treadmills that clocks.
• 1:05:52
  It was it was it was it almost the equivalent of a Caleb
• 1:05:57
  Farley. And this guy, Guys got a much
• 1:06:00
  different type of body so you know, I think he's a guy that
• 1:06:04
  would have probably gone up a little bit in the rank.
• 1:06:08
  He's, you know, guy like DJ Harvey.
• 1:06:10
  I think DJ Harvey probably would have played his way up, if
• 1:06:12
  California was playing football in the in the fall, you know.
• 1:06:16
  I think You know, one guy I think that was held down and I
• 1:06:21
  don't really know why because he was super productive, but I
• 1:06:24
  think Kenji. Christian is somebody that also
• 1:06:26
  was kind of a victim of rankings where I feel like he's probably
• 1:06:32
  a four star talent. I think he's a really good
• 1:06:34
  running back. I think he maybe was overlooked
• 1:06:37
  a little bit because you're coming from the state of Alabama
• 1:06:41
  and you don't have an Auburn offer and you don't have an
• 1:06:43
  Alabama offer LSU. Yes, you was maybe within hours
• 1:06:49
  of offering and before their restrictions hit, you know, this
• 1:06:52
  is a guy that he's got, he's an SEC player and you know, he
• 1:06:56
  luckily for Virginia Tech. He didn't get you know, those
• 1:07:01
  three SEC offers that would have been a game-changer foreman and
• 1:07:05
  now he's he's headed to Blacksburg.
• 1:07:07
  I think he's a guy that a lot of people kind of Overlook, you
• 1:07:11
  know, I think Christian Moss is an interesting one, you know,
• 1:07:15
  everybody talked about Trey Kerby, Remember Trey Curry was
• 1:07:18
  committed to Virginia Tech for a little while for Star Trek.
• 1:07:21
  Very actually transferred to North Cobb for his senior year,
• 1:07:24
  they played together him, and Christian Moss, Christian
• 1:07:26
  Moscow, better wide receiver. Kristina Moss was was the top
• 1:07:31
  guy at North Cobb and he's a, he's a mid three-star guy, he's
• 1:07:35
  got great size, he's got really good range and he's just a guy
• 1:07:39
  that fell through the covid cracks.
• 1:07:40
  So, you know, I think when you look at it and you go through
• 1:07:43
  each of these players, you know, every year I try to look at at
• 1:07:47
  the commit and I think who is, who's a reach?
• 1:07:51
  Who's a guy that I can look at right now and say, I don't think
• 1:07:54
  they're going to play in, Virginia Tech.
• 1:07:55
  And when you look down their list right now, There's not a
• 1:07:59
  lot of those guys. There are some good ones you say
• 1:08:02
  there's some guys, you say might take it might take a year or two
• 1:08:06
  maybe three, maybe, you know, maybe they won't play until
• 1:08:08
  their upperclassmen but there's not a whole lot.
• 1:08:10
  You look at and you say, I don't see it, I don't know what
• 1:08:14
  they're seeing in the sky, I don't see it at all.
• 1:08:16
  So, you know, I think when you look at it that way, I think the
• 1:08:18
  Hokies, you know, I think they did they did as well as I think
• 1:08:22
  that they probably could under the circumstances of everything
• 1:08:25
  going around them covid and potentially the hot Little
• 1:08:29
  Justin Fuente. And you know, as much as covid
• 1:08:35
  did affect it affected the fan base that, well obviously
• 1:08:38
  affected the Hokie club and Christina, Garnet goes into it
• 1:08:42
  seems like the only time we were getting things from hockey club
• 1:08:45
  was, you know, right after right after a game, whether that be
• 1:08:49
  win or lose. So she sort of gives them what
• 1:08:52
  she'd visions and hopefully Cub can become.
• 1:08:54
  And again, it's great takes from her.
• 1:09:01
  It's the thing is that was that like and this is gonna sound
• 1:09:04
  really bad for any marketers on the, but they'll agree with me.
• 1:09:08
  Get in the head of your customer and really think about the
• 1:09:11
  customer experience. Like, you don't need a marketing
• 1:09:14
  class. You need to be able to think,
• 1:09:17
  like the person you want to Target really swim in that.
• 1:09:23
  Like you said, where are you going to be the most height, the
• 1:09:29
  most Pro Hokies the most loose with your wallet just before the
• 1:09:33
  start of a game that's before the start of the game.
• 1:09:35
  I'm excited for the leave it. If I'm sitting at home.
• 1:09:38
  I'm excited for what I'm about to watch.
• 1:09:40
  I'm engaged with the program as optimistic as I'm going to be is
• 1:09:44
  before just before that kickoff. Yep.
• 1:09:46
  Regardless of what happens win or lose the most optimistic.
• 1:09:49
  I'm probably going to be about this game is just before
• 1:09:51
  kickoff. Yeah.
• 1:09:53
  That's we're going to feel the best about the program.
• 1:09:55
  What I can do is you can even do it as like.
• 1:09:59
  I know that nonprofits can do this.
• 1:10:00
  I don't know if they'd be able to do it, but having like a text
• 1:10:03
  campaign like text, hashtag Hokies to five four, three, two,
• 1:10:08
  one, and you get 20 e, send $25. That is and I mean as we're
• 1:10:15
  moving forward, this whole thing with donations, we're going to
• 1:10:18
  need a lot more money coming in especially relative to the what
• 1:10:23
  people in the ACC or doing because we're already falling
• 1:10:27
  behind on that front, especially on the individual donation side
• 1:10:31
  of things. In terms of what we are putting
• 1:10:34
  funding wise into the program. We're about middle of the pack
• 1:10:38
  in terms of total money and we're towards like the back
• 1:10:42
  third. In terms of donations.
• 1:10:45
  We got to figure out something to get, get those in here and it
• 1:10:48
  and I know winning helps. But in lieu of that, we're going
• 1:10:52
  to need to figure out another way to get more folks engaged in
• 1:10:55
  the program, both with, you know, putting asses in seats at
• 1:11:00
  game but also putting money into the the into hope Club.
• 1:11:04
  Well, here's the thing, hokey Club, when you think about
• 1:11:08
  Hockey Club, what do you what is like your first thought drive
• 1:11:12
  for 25, but you know what, it should feel like.
• 1:11:15
  The hockey club should be ran like an ambassador program, not
• 1:11:19
  like an entry-level donation Point.
• 1:11:22
  That's what, that's what poke Club is.
• 1:11:23
  It's, it's here's your entry to becoming a donor to Virginia
• 1:11:28
  Tech football and that's not what it should be.
• 1:11:30
  It should be an ambassador program where everyone that gets
• 1:11:34
  to be a part of that is given tools that they can share their
• 1:11:38
  fan Hood. Here's the latest.
• 1:11:40
  Here's the latest graphic. We're going to give you that you
• 1:11:42
  can share in Social before anyone else?
• 1:11:44
  Here's a special. Banner that you can put for your
• 1:11:46
  Twitter and Facebook. Here's here's a Keepsake that
• 1:11:49
  you can have. Here's here's here's a free
• 1:11:52
  ticket to bring someone who's never been to a hoagie game like
• 1:11:56
  just it shouldn't feel like now it feels like it feels like
• 1:12:03
  Hokey Club is the token answer for.
• 1:12:05
  Do I do you support Virginia Tech football with your money
• 1:12:08
  and people say yes I'm a hoagie Club member that's it.
• 1:12:12
  Shouldn't feel like it's tied to money poke Club.
• 1:12:15
  Should never feel like it's tied to money.
• 1:12:18
  It should feel like that's your entry into becoming the person
• 1:12:23
  who gets to be on the field. The person who gets to help the
• 1:12:26
  person who gets to weave themselves into the history of
• 1:12:29
  Virginia Tech. It should feel like that is how
• 1:12:34
  you enter the community. It should feel emotional, it
• 1:12:38
  shouldn't be tied to money. Should be tied to emotion.
• 1:12:41
  Like what I would love to say honestly as soon as things are
• 1:12:46
  open and as soon as It's a for us all to congregate.
• 1:12:49
  I would love for there to be a field day at Lane.
• 1:12:53
  So y'all go. Yep that'd be really cool.
• 1:12:55
  Just be in that Stadium again. You can have layers, you can
• 1:12:59
  have past players, you can have the staff but it literally is
• 1:13:04
  like the whole point. The whole point is you go and
• 1:13:10
  you get to stay in on the field and you get to meet some of your
• 1:13:13
  favorite players and you get to hang out and hug your friends
• 1:13:16
  that you would normally use Haven't seen in months but used
• 1:13:19
  to tailgate with all the time just do like a fifty dollar, a
• 1:13:23
  ticket field day and you get to go and you get to hang out and
• 1:13:28
  you get to hug your hokey friends.
• 1:13:32
  And what I like about what she said there is that we're
• 1:13:35
  starting to see a little bit more of that come into play.
• 1:13:40
  As some of, you know, you know, we've been pushing some of the
• 1:13:44
  Hokey Club Ambassador elements into our sign off here, where
• 1:13:50
  we're encouraging you to join the Hokie Club.
• 1:13:53
  Let's reach for excellence and Achieve those goals at the same
• 1:13:57
  time. Let's get another take here from
• 1:14:00
  Evan Watkins on it. Another issue that's going to I
• 1:14:03
  think rear its head here very soon and we're already starting
• 1:14:06
  to see some of it but it's the scholarship issue that resulted
• 1:14:10
  from the essentially 2020 being a free year for everyone.
• 1:14:14
  So he breaks down, not just that what we're looking at, starting
• 1:14:20
  this year, but that going into next year is going to be really
• 1:14:25
  when this issue starts to be a problem because of those
• 1:14:29
  numbers. And because of having to get
• 1:14:31
  back to B5. Yeah, you know and here I could
• 1:14:34
  throw a couple numbers out at you because it's 24/7.
• 1:14:37
  Sports ran out really good article on this recently that
• 1:14:40
  FBS college. Football teams signed more than
• 1:14:44
  400 fewer recruits to Scholarships in 2021 that they
• 1:14:47
  did for 2020 and 2019, holy cow. So that that is fairly
• 1:14:55
  eye-opening. I would say.
• 1:14:57
  Now 2022, might be worse and that That's, you know, that's
• 1:15:02
  where things can start to get a little scary but we'll start,
• 1:15:05
  we'll start with 2021. So when you're in 2021 when
• 1:15:10
  you're, you know, when you're trying to to recruit 21:8 covid
• 1:15:15
  hits. You are, if you are not one of
• 1:15:20
  the top will estimate will round to 400.
• 1:15:24
  If you are not one of the top 400 players in this in the
• 1:15:26
  country, your rankings may not matter, kind of at all, to be
• 1:15:32
  honest, because the big ranking periods for you outside.
• 1:15:36
  That top 400 would be junior film.
• 1:15:39
  Eval spring workouts, summer camps senior season.
• 1:15:46
  Now you pick players in the state of Virginia, they had to,
• 1:15:50
  they had, they had their junior season.
• 1:15:53
  There's no Spring football, no spring workouts, at all, you
• 1:15:57
  have no summer camps at all. You have no senior season.
• 1:16:02
  Before signing day three out of the four ranking opportunities.
• 1:16:07
  You had are gone. Now, that also means three out
• 1:16:13
  of the four, major scholarship opportunities.
• 1:16:16
  You had are now gone as well. So you you not only you not only
• 1:16:24
  could be somebody that all through the cracks, you are also
• 1:16:28
  somebody that even if a school takes a chance on you, That
• 1:16:34
  school is taking a major Risk by offering you a scholarship.
• 1:16:39
  If you haven't played football in a year, they haven't seen
• 1:16:42
  you, they haven't see you on campus to see, are you really 64
• 1:16:47
  or are you 61? Are you really 220 pounds?
• 1:16:51
  Are you really 180 pounds? You know, they can't get you out
• 1:16:56
  of Camp to say, you say you ran a 44 and we clocked you at a 49.
• 1:17:00
  So, you're taking a major Risk by offering those scholarships.
• 1:17:06
  Now, on top of that, what you have to balance out and a lot of
• 1:17:10
  college coaches did balance this out.
• 1:17:12
  Is, do we take that risk on a borderline recruit?
• 1:17:19
  We're not talking the five-star, we're talking the the mid
• 1:17:22
  three-star guy that may or may not pan out, or do we hit the
• 1:17:26
  transfer portal because the transfer portal has, you know, A
• 1:17:30
  lot of talent in it of guys who have verified Heights and
• 1:17:34
  weights have verified game game film for most of them, or at
• 1:17:39
  least college, practice film, and these are guys that won't
• 1:17:44
  tie up a scholarship for five years.
• 1:17:45
  If they don't pan out, these are guys that you could tie the
• 1:17:49
  scholarship for 1 to 3 years. And then when all of this maybe
• 1:17:53
  starts to normalize, then you go back and you recruit back, fill
• 1:17:57
  that position, you back recruit that number. so you know, when
• 1:18:02
  you when you look at it through that way, if you are not a top
• 1:18:06
  of the board guy for most schools, You run the risk, ran
• 1:18:12
  the risk of not having an opportunity to play at the
• 1:18:14
  level, you want to play at. You may have to drop down a
• 1:18:16
  level, or you maybe didn't get a chance to to sign with anybody
• 1:18:21
  yet. Because even when you think of
• 1:18:24
  dropping down a level, some of those schools, you know, Texas
• 1:18:29
  state is a great example. I know they're not Regional to
• 1:18:32
  us but they're a great example that they looked at this year
• 1:18:36
  and said you know they kind of just said screw it You know, 0,
• 1:18:41
  we can get another weekly zero. They took zero high school kids
• 1:18:46
  and only recruited the transfer portal.
• 1:18:48
  But you know what that does also for them?
• 1:18:50
  That that some people may not even think of when they hear
• 1:18:53
  that, think that's ridiculous. But what they did is they just
• 1:18:57
  postponed a year because you know what we're looking at now,
• 1:19:02
  you know, looking at that with 2021 covid aside, you know,
• 1:19:05
  let's say covid ends today and life goes by back normal and the
• 1:19:10
  Dead period ends and everything. Cool, everything's good.
• 1:19:15
  The NCAA extended scholarship limits for the 2021 season for
• 1:19:20
  players to hold over you know seniors get a chance to play
• 1:19:23
  again down to freshman getting their freshman year back.
• 1:19:26
  Okay, that's great. So we extend that out, you know,
• 1:19:30
  theoretically you could have 25 senior scholarship seniors.
• 1:19:33
  Most people, don't you, theoretically could see what
• 1:19:37
  that gives, you 110 scholarships theoretically for 24 this year.
• 1:19:44
  But after this year, you have to be an 85 scholarship starting
• 1:19:49
  next year. How do you get there?
• 1:19:53
  You know, I talked to I talked to one of our talk to one of our
• 1:19:57
  guys, in the industry today. You know, one of our national
• 1:20:00
  guys were 24/7 Sports and he I told him I said, you know, I
• 1:20:03
  think it's crazy. The NCAA needs to do something,
• 1:20:07
  you know, in my opinion they need to extend it not as far,
• 1:20:10
  but extended a little bit and I was like, Virginia Tech for
• 1:20:15
  example, you know, I ran an article two weeks ago, Virginia
• 1:20:18
  Tech has roughly eight scholarships open right now for
• 1:20:22
  2022. Now, that will obviously expand.
• 1:20:25
  We all know that, that eight is going to grow 1517, maybe even
• 1:20:30
  up to 20 with attrition and transfer portal and things like
• 1:20:33
  that. But just Today about 8 and he
• 1:20:38
  said, there are teams out there right now that are - there are
• 1:20:43
  teams out there right now that have to lose players on
• 1:20:46
  Scholarship today to sign anyone in 2022.
• 1:20:52
  So you know, when we look at this and we say, oh they signed
• 1:20:55
  400 less people this year in 2021 due to covid and that's
• 1:21:01
  terrible. I could see it exponentially
• 1:21:06
  larger in 2022 because College college programs don't have the
• 1:21:10
  space. Yeah, so what one of two things
• 1:21:14
  will have to happen. You are going to have to see
• 1:21:16
  massive attrition and nobody likes to talk about attrition
• 1:21:21
  attrition isn't always bad players entering.
• 1:21:23
  The portal is not always bad. I think, you know, Virginia Tech
• 1:21:27
  fans in particular especially what has happened over the last
• 1:21:30
  few years and some of the guys leaving think people leaving the
• 1:21:34
  transport transfer portal is a major problem, but you have to
• 1:21:38
  look at it, multiple ways, some people leave the transfer portal
• 1:21:41
  because they're unhappy some people leave the transfer portal
• 1:21:44
  because they want more playing time or better opportunity, some
• 1:21:47
  people leave the transfer portal, early Levi, the transfer
• 1:21:50
  portal. I was just simply because of
• 1:21:54
  academics or an off the field issue.
• 1:21:57
  Some people will leave to be closer to home some people.
• 1:22:00
  Decide, nobody really wants to talk about, are asked to leave
• 1:22:05
  the that. Don't mean people act like that,
• 1:22:07
  don't happen, that happens. People are asked to leave your
• 1:22:10
  scholarship, may not be retained.
• 1:22:12
  If it is retained, you may not see the field, you may not play.
• 1:22:16
  It may be worth it for you to find an opportunity elsewhere
• 1:22:20
  and you know, a lot of That that happens everywhere.
• 1:22:23
  Now you're going to add it on top of that, moving forward, the
• 1:22:27
  scholarship number crunch that every school is dealing with.
• 1:22:31
  We have to free up space, somehow?
• 1:22:33
  Yeah, you're going to deal with the money of it, you know, I
• 1:22:37
  heard, you know, every what does it every 10?
• 1:22:41
  Scholarships, every 10 scholarships is roughly a
• 1:22:44
  million dollars. So, you know, if you're carrying
• 1:22:48
  over a lot of scholarships, you're carrying over a lot of
• 1:22:50
  money. So some schools are saying, hey,
• 1:22:54
  we know, the NCAA said you can carry over and go over 85 this
• 1:22:58
  year, but we can't afford it, so we're not doing it.
• 1:23:00
  So You know, some of those players may have to find other
• 1:23:03
  homes and then we're going to add the the Colossal mess that I
• 1:23:08
  foresee coming of players entering the transfer portal
• 1:23:11
  because we were at 2021 signee. We never saw the coach's face to
• 1:23:16
  face. We never step foot on campus,
• 1:23:19
  before we signed. And we hate it here.
• 1:23:21
  We're in a bad situation. We're going to see that become
• 1:23:25
  very apparent and I think it'll be very apparent, very quickly.
• 1:23:30
  I wouldn't be As you see a lot of freshmen all over the
• 1:23:32
  country, start to enter the portal after getting on campus
• 1:23:35
  and being there for a few months.
• 1:23:36
  And realizing, you know, maybe what I was sold in recruiting
• 1:23:41
  isn't reality, you know. Maybe, you know, I thought I was
• 1:23:46
  coming into this, you know, great opportunity.
• 1:23:50
  You know, I thought maybe I was going to be a guy that had a
• 1:23:53
  shot at early playing time to find out that I'm fourth team on
• 1:23:56
  the depth chart. When I get here, maybe I'm a guy
• 1:23:58
  who never realized And how small this campus is, or how big this
• 1:24:04
  campus is, or how far away from home.
• 1:24:07
  It is, you know, what do I do? They, you know, and I have to
• 1:24:11
  live on campus for a year and they tell me, I can't have a car
• 1:24:14
  and how do I, you know, how do I do it?
• 1:24:15
  The typical College, you know, things and you have to learn and
• 1:24:20
  adjust when you get there and I think we're going to see that
• 1:24:25
  fairly quickly because I'm just lie, the NCAA kind of force, the
• 1:24:31
  hand of recruits to sign sight. Unseen for the majority of them
• 1:24:37
  and I think a lot of colleges took advantage of that and said
• 1:24:40
  hey if you don't sign with us or you don't commit to us, now
• 1:24:42
  you're not going to have a spot, you know, nobody else.
• 1:24:45
  No other schools may not take you lock in your spot now and
• 1:24:49
  they may not be in love with the choice that they made.
• 1:24:53
  Alright, lastly folks got into a lot of fun and In discussing the
• 1:24:58
  rivalries that we had with, not only for jenya Miami, but also
• 1:25:04
  West Virginia, which is obviously big this year because
• 1:25:06
  it can be the first time we played in Morgantown and close
• 1:25:09
  to 20 years, the white getting this.
• 1:25:12
  You just heard the passion and knowing the importance and much
• 1:25:17
  as people want to knock. Miami's always will be an actual
• 1:25:20
  brain. Like he says, we do need UVA to
• 1:25:23
  be better and it's my opinion. If they get a little better,
• 1:25:26
  it's going to help out everything but here's the
• 1:25:28
  whites. Take on that from back in March,
• 1:25:31
  let me ask this in and I want to kind of phrases to, right way
• 1:25:35
  because in when we were coming up Miami and UVA the rivalry
• 1:25:40
  games, when those games were played, it was a big deal.
• 1:25:43
  It was, I mean, when you got there 94 to roughly probably
• 1:25:47
  06-07. Those games were Wars and me and
• 1:25:52
  Brian been talking, like, do you feel that whether Miami or UVA
• 1:25:56
  or maybe a semblance of both like those rivalry games, get
• 1:26:00
  back to where they were 20 years ago?
• 1:26:02
  We're like you mentioned the Miami game when it's a night
• 1:26:07
  game, both teams are in the top 10 or the Commonwealth Cup game.
• 1:26:10
  When you know like 95 when that happened when you know, both
• 1:26:17
  teams have 10 wins. And both teams are trying to get
• 1:26:20
  to the Sugar Bowl and both teams ranked in the top 15.
• 1:26:25
  What do you think is more important?
• 1:26:26
  That helps Elevate pecs program? Is it both or do you have a
• 1:26:30
  preference? Well let me just add this real
• 1:26:33
  quick. You forgot to mention West
• 1:26:36
  Virginia because West Virginia was all up in that and you can
• 1:26:40
  make an argument as now you can make the argument to West
• 1:26:42
  Virginia, Virginia Tech robbery during the 90s and the early
• 1:26:46
  2000s before Tech jump to the ACC and go forward.
• 1:26:48
  Probably better games and more important than the Virginia Tech
• 1:26:52
  UVA robbery. But during my era to your point
• 1:26:56
  that you VA Virginia Tech robbery was epic and the Miami
• 1:27:00
  robbery with tech for years was epic.
• 1:27:03
  It was it was Bloodshed, it was, you know, Braveheart near the
• 1:27:06
  end of the movie. It was real in order is my
• 1:27:11
  preference. I would like oh this is going to
• 1:27:15
  make some people mad. I like it when taking you here
• 1:27:19
  both good because I grew up in that and it's good for the kids.
• 1:27:23
  Great for the Commonwealth. People look at me funny on
• 1:27:26
  camera. When I celebrate UVA not that
• 1:27:29
  they are celebrating wins but I'm like hey that's a good one.
• 1:27:32
  That's good for us. I mean if it's just better you
• 1:27:37
  know Jonathan McLaughlin was like Hey everybody post your
• 1:27:40
  comment with you know, draining out the cup.
• 1:27:42
  Up and I said, oh, I lost my last two years you were here and
• 1:27:45
  he couldn't even fathom that. And I said, hey man, they were
• 1:27:49
  really good. Y'all beat some UV.
• 1:27:51
  A team that couldn't be Centerville High School on the
• 1:27:54
  road, okay? So you don't calm down soaking
• 1:27:58
  me, you know, because my UVA battles, we were going against,
• 1:28:02
  you know, Dingo and Patrick Carney and Wally Raynor and the
• 1:28:06
  farrier brothers. And, you know, some studs, Aaron
• 1:28:09
  Brooks, you know, UVA was raining Teens, we ranked 18th or
• 1:28:14
  vice versa. It wasn't what you see now.
• 1:28:18
  So if you have both programs Beamer said it best in George
• 1:28:23
  Wells, co-signed it is enough talent in this state for both
• 1:28:26
  teams to get it and win. But both teams are not getting
• 1:28:29
  especially to be fair UVA. You know, UVA is the one that's
• 1:28:33
  fallen short. The last 16 17 years, not Tech
• 1:28:38
  and grow and I know tech fans are going to a smirk when I say
• 1:28:41
  this. I think grow got to out-of-state
• 1:28:44
  happy during his day. He got coach two years and he
• 1:28:46
  just kept going up to New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania because
• 1:28:50
  he was in New York Jet coach. He didn't really look Holly upon
• 1:28:53
  Virginia talent and I think that came back to bite them because
• 1:28:56
  Tech was full of Commonwealth guys.
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  So I think you got to get guys in state.
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  I think Miami and Tech will always have that rivalry because
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  of what we did during my era, and it's funny too, because
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  Miami has a lot of coaching Carousel with in there.
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  Program and nobody lives off, mystique and manufacture height,
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  and history lessons more than the Hurricanes of Miami between
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  Michael Irvin and Warren Sapp. We get more history lessons
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  about the you, but less productivity on the field.
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  So it doesn't match up. It's more.
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  So let me look at this 3430. So I can get what you're talking
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  about because you guys are the king of underachieving, you
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  know. Soda reality is, as I mean, is
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  constantly going to be a robbery or Tech because they're too.
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  Two Biggie's foes and they gave you great.
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  I mean, if you, if you still have the ESPN classic channel to
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  this day, I get, hey, you're on or even ESPNU, they always show
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  tons of tech UV. I mean, Miami rivalry games from
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  the 90s. Hey Stephen!
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  Yeah they do basic network was in those nannies, games act like
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  in the summer last year. Yeah, and obviously, yeah.
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  But the UVA one, you need UVA to get better or like to push tag
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  but at the same time, it's a fine line.
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  You don't want them to become better because it can hurt you.
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  So it's kind of like how you VA helped us get into the ACC.
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  You know, you kind of want both programs there.
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  So I'm a Virginian, you know, I I love the Richmond area.
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  I love Southwest Virginia, I love Northern Virginia and I
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  love obviously. My home 757 and I like, you
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  know, I mean look you guys fall. We follow each other on Twitter
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  at the end of the day, look how great that you VA Virginia Tech
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  basketball robbery is right now, and how it's been the last five
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  years with buzz and Bennett. And now, young and Bennett who
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  love and respect each other and look what they're doing for both
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  programs and it's great, basketball and damn, right?
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  It looks good. Seeing you be in Tech, the top
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  of The ACC, I like that. I want, what Carolina Duke had?
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  I'm tired of it. Why would, why can't we have
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  that for the coastal? You know, I mean, yy-you can't
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  be afraid of competition, you know?
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  I mean, it's cool to brag about the streak and look at the
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  little means, and Mike and Lundy and crying with Jordan face and
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  I am. Okay, yeah, it's fun.
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  But you really you really are you really bragging, you know,
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  when You have a Midfield altercation between 25 and 16s
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  and microbrew has leader. Come back to Bucky Hodges.
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  I was in the stadium. It was a great win but I left
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  after, you know, the Smoke Clears and you happy you beat
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  your rival for the whatever Ting time your six and six.
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  Yep, it is 5 and 7. So what are you really happy
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  about? It's embarrassing.
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  It's not something to brag about because everyone outside of
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  Virginia, doesn't give a damn You know, and that's what people
• 1:32:11
  need to remind himself of you want to be part of something
• 1:32:14
  bigger than just the conference game.
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  You know I'm saying II? And I'm not I don't have
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  Alabama, Clemson, Alabama, Auburn fatigue, I just, I have,
• 1:32:24
  I have fatigue when it comes to being irrelevant like, you know,
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  when you wake up after a great win on Sunday morning and you're
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  eating your breakfast and you you getting your fantasy
• 1:32:35
  lineups, ready you like, okay? Okay, let me turn the city's
• 1:32:38
  highlights what he would say about this.
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  Tech UVA game on College, you know game night.
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  They just sold a score you know buddy.
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  Nobody cares. Yeah.
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  Body cares. He plays a game.
• 1:32:48
  Here's the final score. Yeah.
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  There LOL. And another nude.
• 1:32:52
  Virginia Tech holds on the, a, they'll go to the ball game.
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  That comes on Comcast on December 19th at five, you know?
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  I mean, that's what happens. You know, I do, and I'm not
• 1:33:04
  mocking my program, I just think sometimes we need a reality,
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  check, what we once had and what we need to get back to.
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  And And Beyond and, you know, the answer your question again,
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  I just think if it's my choice is Virginia Tech UVA.
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  Although they what you want. But when you consistently beat
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  Miami like, we've done and we've done it before, the brand of
• 1:33:25
  Miami is still relevant when you beat Miami.
• 1:33:27
  Still turns heads. Yeah, you know, like we did last
• 1:33:32
  was it last year? Oh yeah.
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  When we ask that the Duke de barco and and then came down to
• 1:33:39
  my Miami game. Mm and they beat him, you know,
• 1:33:42
  or that year went to Corey Harris and Kirk her, she
• 1:33:45
  declared that you as back and tie rod and Jared Boykins beat
• 1:33:49
  him, 31 27, you know, in the rain game, SmackDown in the rain
• 1:33:52
  and Lain under that game follow but to you doing in my house,
• 1:33:57
  got a question but I'm gonna make it to your point of the
• 1:34:00
  Miami game. We had just gotten curb-stomped
• 1:34:03
  by Duke. I was still the 3:30 ABC game
• 1:34:08
  that year we were Or two and two, just lost by 42 a bad dude
• 1:34:14
  team. But that game was an actual game
• 1:34:16
  and I think you're right. And I'm with you, you won't, you
• 1:34:19
  VA Tech to be good but I think you agree, right?
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  Yeah. I'm right there with you.
• 1:34:23
  I think when UVA is good, the program's push each other.
• 1:34:28
  Yeah, I think that's what kind of came out when when you were
• 1:34:31
  building the program at Virginia Tech in the 90s.
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  And I feel like that is kind of what helped Propel Virginia Tech
• 1:34:38
  to what it became and what it was throughout the 2000's.
• 1:34:40
  And I feel like UVA being down and then some of the other
• 1:34:44
  things that have changed on the national recruiting front, you
• 1:34:47
  know, we just were not where we were and I feel like getting
• 1:34:50
  some of that back, getting some of that competing for the same,
• 1:34:54
  you know, top 10 players in the state every year.
• 1:34:57
  Now getting that back would be good.
• 1:35:00
  You know what I sold? Mike Vick on coming to Tech.
• 1:35:03
  I said, imagine if you go to Tech and Ronald Kray goes to UVA
• 1:35:06
  and arrival, you guys had in high school continues.
• 1:35:09
  Oh hey. Lucky, love that notion, of
• 1:35:13
  course. We all know Ronald went to UNC
• 1:35:14
  because of their basketball and football program later, Mike Mac
• 1:35:18
  on, then Dean Smith left. But, you know what?
• 1:35:20
  Also, to your point UVA, ultimately indirectly because of
• 1:35:27
  their inconsistency with grow in London and the streak and them
• 1:35:31
  started losing it. Do you know when Duke was still
• 1:35:34
  inferior before, you know, they really got, you know, pretty
• 1:35:37
  good program. It resulted in Virginia Tech,
• 1:35:39
  because Coming complacent. Because you your instinct
• 1:35:44
  robbery is almost a guaranteed win and you're still losing
• 1:35:49
  recruits, but you're losing to a higher state and but you're
• 1:35:51
  getting pretty much you still getting David Wilson, Logan,
• 1:35:55
  Thomas and Tyrod Taylor, so you're okay.
• 1:35:59
  And then, you know, it didn't really push you, it didn't
• 1:36:03
  because because again, Beamer had to get guys like myself, and
• 1:36:07
  kid knocks, and Dawn, and Toni Morrison.
• 1:36:09
  And all those guys that come in, Cuz you VA had George Wells and
• 1:36:14
  it was, my UVA was winning eleven games.
• 1:36:16
  Only have one ten win season in the history of their program.
• 1:36:20
  But at the end of the day, they were winning in the ACC and they
• 1:36:23
  held it over GNX here because the Big East was always looked
• 1:36:26
  upon as a very good conference but it wasn't named CeCe with
• 1:36:29
  their tradition, their passage tree.
• 1:36:31
  So they had to leg up. So Virginia Tech had to work
• 1:36:33
  twice as hard to become relevant and be respected.
• 1:36:37
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• 1:36:40
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