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BPS 483: The Filmmaker Who Turned Failure Into a Feature Film with Mark Phillips · Bulletproof Screenwriting™ Podcast

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  Speaker 5: Me Today is is Mark Phillips. Mark Phillips is the
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  Speaker 5: star and director of the Walking Full documentary where he
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  Speaker 5: attempts to actually walk from New York all the way
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  Speaker 5: across the country to California. Mark, how are you.
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  Speaker 4: I'm doing fabulous. How are you doing, Dave pret good?
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  Speaker 5: Thanks pretty good. So you know, Mark, why don't you
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  Speaker 5: tell us a little bit about yourself.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I'm from the New York City area all my life,
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  Speaker 4: and I was one of those people that was sort of,
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  Speaker 4: you know, always interested in acting, never really pursued it actively.
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  Speaker 4: So I did what most people did. I just got
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  Speaker 4: a job working in the office in front of a
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  Speaker 4: computer where I could just just sort of think about
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  Speaker 4: dreaming of being a performer on stage. And I did
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  Speaker 4: that for about ten years. And finally it's sort of
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  Speaker 4: kind of snapped, and I thought about doing something different,
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  Speaker 4: and that's sort of how we evolved into what I'm
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  Speaker 4: you know, doing now in the documentaries Walking across the Country.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, so, Mark, how long have you been a filmmaker?
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  Speaker 2: For?
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  Speaker 4: Well, I was that goes back to high school. I
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  Speaker 4: was sort of you know, I got a I remember
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  Speaker 4: getting a video camera, one of those big VHS things,
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  Speaker 4: you know, top loading VHS things. It was probably about
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  Speaker 4: twenty pounds for Christmas and just started making little, you know,
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  Speaker 4: short films. And back in the nineties, that evolved before YouTube,
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  Speaker 4: that evolved into what was known as the public access show,
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  Speaker 4: which is, you know, all the cable networks for those
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  Speaker 4: who might not know those the cable networks had to
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  Speaker 4: have these public access stations where people were allowed to
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  Speaker 4: put their own local content on there. So that kind
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  Speaker 4: of evolved. The gave me an outlet also for that
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  Speaker 4: actor in me to sort of perform and be silly.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 5: That's funny to mention that, because I don't think there's
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  Speaker 5: any more public access shows around.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I mean, I'm in
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  Speaker 4: New York and I don't have cable anymore. So, but
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  Speaker 4: I'm assuming they still exist because it was actually written
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  Speaker 4: in as a law, I believe when cable stations started developing,
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  Speaker 4: people were, you know, saying, well, we don't want to
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  Speaker 4: have you guys digging holes and putting all this power
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  Speaker 4: lines in all that, so they made a compromise saying, well,
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  Speaker 4: we'll allow you to put up your little, you know,
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  Speaker 4: your little shows and your little public community shows in
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  Speaker 4: exchange for that. So they may still be built into it,
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  Speaker 4: but no one probably really watches them.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah that could be the case because I actually I
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  Speaker 5: do work for local township and Verizon and Comcast actually
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  Speaker 5: helped foot the bill for like upgrades and stuff. Oh yeah,
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  Speaker 5: so that way, yeah, so that way we can build
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  Speaker 5: new stuff. But so so work. When you started making
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  Speaker 5: this documentary Walking Full, you know, what job were you
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  Speaker 5: working at? Well, when when you decided to make this
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  Speaker 5: to make Walking Forward.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I was sort of working in graphic design. So
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  Speaker 4: I was originally working at Macy's and then I started
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  Speaker 4: working then for one of the vps that Macy's left,
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  Speaker 4: uh and start her own design firm, So I just
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  Speaker 4: basically worked with her. And that's in a sort of
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  Speaker 4: Westchester County, which is just north of New York City,
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  Speaker 4: so I was kind of doing the reverse commute. I
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  Speaker 4: was sort of going up into sort of the suburbs
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  Speaker 4: to work in the day. And it was actually when
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  Speaker 4: I was working there that I came up with the
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  Speaker 4: idea of walking across the country because of one of
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  Speaker 4: the bosses, who was a notorious alcoholic, was late to
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  Speaker 4: work one morning, so I was locked out of the
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  Speaker 4: building and I know why to get in, so when
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  Speaker 4: I called him, he's like, oh, yeah, I'll be there
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  Speaker 4: in ten minutes. Of course, he lived on Long Island,
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  Speaker 4: which is about an hour and a half away, so
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  Speaker 4: I knew it was going to be there too quickly.
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  Speaker 4: So instead of like sort of it was like October,
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  Speaker 4: so it was getting kind of cold, and I was like, well,
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  Speaker 4: I don't want to just to sit on the sidewalk,
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  Speaker 4: I'll just go for a little walk. And on that
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  Speaker 4: little walk around the town, I sort of discovered things
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  Speaker 4: that I never really had the chance to look at.
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  Speaker 4: Those of this house. It was on the main thoroughfare
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  Speaker 4: that I've driven by many times, but never you know,
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  Speaker 4: looked at too closely. When I got close to it,
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  Speaker 4: I noticed that It was actually the home of Madam C. J. Walker,
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  Speaker 4: who was the first African American woman millionaire, and that
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  Speaker 4: was her first mansion, was basically the first black woman's
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  Speaker 4: mansion in America. And I've been driving by it and
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  Speaker 4: if I didn't walk by, I never would have noticed
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  Speaker 4: that plaque and figured out what it was, and just
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  Speaker 4: sort of it sort of sparked that excitement of like, oh,
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  Speaker 4: you know, when you're really walking, it's the macrocosm becomes
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  Speaker 4: a microcosm. You really get to find the details. And
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  Speaker 4: I started sort inspired me to say, oh, you know what,
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  Speaker 4: I just just just keep on doing this and just
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  Speaker 4: go from one town to the other and then one
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  Speaker 4: stay to the other and add infinitum.
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  Speaker 5: So when you when you decide to do this, Mark,
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  Speaker 5: did you tell anybody about it?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah? Well, the story is that I actually this was
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  Speaker 4: going back to the year two thousand and and I
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  Speaker 4: told lots of people about it. I was so excited,
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  Speaker 4: but I was also wary that people were going to,
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  Speaker 4: uh in psure of my mom. I thought my mom
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  Speaker 4: for sure was going to say, Mark, now that's just
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  Speaker 4: not very reasonable. I think he's just going to offer
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  Speaker 4: a little bit more reasonable like, why don't you just
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  Speaker 4: go for a walk, you know, to along out Long Island,
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  Speaker 4: how about that? But she was actually very enthusiastic, and
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  Speaker 4: she she embraced it pretty wholeheartedly. So and pretty much
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  Speaker 4: I was kind of surprised because almost everyone was enthusiastic.
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  Speaker 4: I think there was a few people that were a
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  Speaker 4: little you know, suspicious I was going to make it,
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  Speaker 4: and but almost everyone said go ahead and do it,
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  Speaker 4: which is actually a little disturbing because I was hoping
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  Speaker 4: for a few like naysayers, because that's I think it
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  Speaker 4: motivates you to sort of like prove people wrong kind of.
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  Speaker 5: So, So, did you have a lot of masers at
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  Speaker 5: all or was there just mainly everyone was very supportive.
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  Speaker 4: I think almost everyone's supportive. Yeah, I mean I'm trying
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  Speaker 4: to think. I mean I had I had one friend who,
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  Speaker 4: you know, I remember, we were sort of working on
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  Speaker 4: the route I was going to take, and when I said, okay,
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  Speaker 4: you know, I think I think this is the route
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  Speaker 4: I should take after I go to Chicago. And as
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  Speaker 4: soon as I said Chicago, he gave me a look like,
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  Speaker 4: come on, You're not going to make it Chicago. It
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  Speaker 4: wasn't really him being a naystair is just him saying
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  Speaker 4: being a realist, saying you're not getting up. And then
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  Speaker 4: he actually said I'll get you know, I tell you,
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  Speaker 4: I'll give you five hundred bucks if you make it
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  Speaker 4: to Chicago. So that was probably the most sort of
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  Speaker 4: kind of like challenge that I got. But I remember
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  Speaker 4: my dad actually said he was like actually jealous. He's like, ah,
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  Speaker 4: I wish I could do that too, Like, Dad, sure.
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  Speaker 5: Did you ever tell that alcoholic boss that? Did you
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  Speaker 5: ever say to him thank you? Because for you being
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  Speaker 5: an alcoholic? I had this idea of this journey.
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  Speaker 4: No, I haven't done that, but though that might be
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  Speaker 4: part of the documentary because part of the documentary which
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  Speaker 4: I'm working on now, all the footage has been shot
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  Speaker 4: on the road. But I'm interviewing other people walked across
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  Speaker 4: the country, and I want to interview other family and
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  Speaker 4: friends just sort of just paying a serve, you know,
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  Speaker 4: just get a general picture. And I thought about maybe
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  Speaker 4: I should interview him, but I don't know if I
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  Speaker 4: would necessarily want. I don't know if he's gonna want
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  Speaker 4: to be portrayed as the alcoholic employee slash motivator, So
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  Speaker 4: I don't know so.
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  Speaker 5: So so when you did go across the country, how
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  Speaker 5: much before you went though, how much planning actually went
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  Speaker 5: into you know, you walk across the country, did you
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  Speaker 5: map out each city you wanted to visit?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah? And actually again, maybe to clarify for the audience
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  Speaker 4: that I actually did do it twice. I back in
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  Speaker 4: two thousand and one, I attempted and I failed, and
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  Speaker 4: then ten years later I built up the courage to
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  Speaker 4: finally do it again, and I started from scratch and
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  Speaker 4: I made it across. So on the first one, I
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  Speaker 4: immediately decided not to do very much planning at all,
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  Speaker 4: because I was already dubbing myself the walking fool, and
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  Speaker 4: part of that, I thought, part of the charm was
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  Speaker 4: sort to sort of kind of go in headfirst and
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  Speaker 4: try to figure it out along the way. I did
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  Speaker 4: do a little bit, you know planning. I sort of like,
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  Speaker 4: back then there was no Google Maps for those map quests.
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  Speaker 4: So I was sort of mapping it out. I was
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  Speaker 4: printing out all the maps, but then by day two
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  Speaker 4: of my walk, I ended up throwing them all out
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  Speaker 4: because it was too heavy. I'm like, oh, I don't
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  Speaker 4: need this, so I uh. And at that point, I
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  Speaker 4: think I was about two days into the walk, I
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  Speaker 4: was already pretty much sure I wasn't going to make it,
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  Speaker 4: so I the idea of me having maps of you know,
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  Speaker 4: South Dakota seemed kind of absurd, so I immediately desert
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  Speaker 4: tossed all those But I mean, you know, you do plan.
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  Speaker 4: And actually, my friend who did the challenge to get
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  Speaker 4: the Chicago he he was definitely affirm. He did a
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  Speaker 4: lot of camping and hiking, and so he was definitely
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  Speaker 4: a firm believer of like Mark, why don't you prepare
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  Speaker 4: a little bit once you go for a little test
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  Speaker 4: run or something. And I was like, nah, I put
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  Speaker 4: on the backpack one and so I'm like, okay, this
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  Speaker 4: is good. I walked around the city for about you know,
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  Speaker 4: an hour. I'm like, oh, this is good. And then
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  Speaker 4: it changed very much on the day one of the
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  Speaker 4: first walk, because all of a sudden, you're putting in
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  Speaker 4: more stuff in your pack than you thought you were
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  Speaker 4: going to put in because you're like, oh, wait, I
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  Speaker 4: need this, Oh I need that, And then all of
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  Speaker 4: a sudden you got like an extra ten pounds on
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  Speaker 4: your back that you weren't expecting, so it was definitely
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  Speaker 4: a rude awakening.
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  Speaker 5: And you did have that camera you got for Christmas, right,
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  Speaker 5: that's have you recorded this with?
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  Speaker 4: No Actually that the old vhs that went to the
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  Speaker 4: electronic graveyard by that point, but it was when it
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  Speaker 4: was right at the beginning of sort of the mini
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  Speaker 4: DV tapes that were coming out, I think in the
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  Speaker 4: thing around nineteen ninety nine is when they started coming
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  Speaker 4: out with them. So it was kind of like a
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  Speaker 4: high eight camera, so it was small and compact, but
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  Speaker 4: still definitely much bigger than the cameras are today. And
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  Speaker 4: it used these little miniature tapes which were digital tapes
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  Speaker 4: that you could sort of actually in theory transfer to
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  Speaker 4: digital material straight onto your computer. So it was technology wise.
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  Speaker 4: It's kind of funny how technology is changing so rapidly
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  Speaker 4: in the film industry right now, but back then it
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  Speaker 4: was like kind of a big deal to have like
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  Speaker 4: this kind of small and decent quality camera that you
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  Speaker 4: could bring on a trip.
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  Speaker 5: Well, that's great, you know. That's because I was reading
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  Speaker 5: about the documentary. That's something I was wondering because I said, man,
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  Speaker 5: if he had to carry that thing around. By the
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  Speaker 5: by I mean after he got into you know, Pennsylvania,
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  Speaker 5: he probably just wanted to throw into the river because
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  Speaker 5: I remember those big heavy vhs toploading, toploading on cameras, right.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. No, Fortunately, technology wise, by that point, we did
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  Speaker 4: make a slight advancement. And but it was in that period,
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  Speaker 4: like I said, where it wasn't very common. You know,
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  Speaker 4: it was before smartphones obviously, and before video was easily
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  Speaker 4: compressed onto a small little device or a disc. So
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  Speaker 4: it was really the idea of sort of bringing a
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  Speaker 4: camera back in two thousand and one was kind of
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  Speaker 4: a novel idea. And I heard of other people who
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  Speaker 4: have walked across the country, but no one at that
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  Speaker 4: point at film that as far as I knew.
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  Speaker 5: So just to ask right now, walking Full is your
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  Speaker 5: first documentary? Is there any I mean, this is before
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  Speaker 5: crowdfunding and everything, and even before you know, social media
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  Speaker 5: got big, because this is still two thousand, Is there
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  Speaker 5: anything that you want to like recommend filmmakers first time
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  Speaker 5: filmmakers were making their maybe their documentary or even their
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  Speaker 5: first feature film project or short. Is there anything you
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  Speaker 5: want to share with them that you've learned at this point?
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  Speaker 4: You mean in sort of relationship with your audience.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, yeah, exert because if you if you with
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  Speaker 6: this project of yours, is there anything because I mean
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  Speaker 6: I'm just stopping right now and just you know, before
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  Speaker 6: we get onto the journey, is there anything that you
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  Speaker 6: actually learned about filmmaking that you wanted to share because
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  Speaker 6: this is your first documentary.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean what's interesting also, is is it I
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  Speaker 4: think I mentioned this to you earlier before the show,
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  Speaker 4: is that I when I did this, I wasn't an
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  Speaker 4: tending it to be a documentary. So it's difficult to
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  Speaker 4: sort of get that my perspective of how I was
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  Speaker 4: approaching it. I was approaching it as a public access show,
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  Speaker 4: kind of like a web series, if you will, without
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  Speaker 4: really much intention of a of a mass audience. And
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  Speaker 4: I'm definitely learning more now as I'm sort of completing
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  Speaker 4: the project. It's just changed very dramatically where you definitely
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  Speaker 4: want to constantly be communicating with your audience and trying
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  Speaker 4: to get your audience as involved as possible. It is
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  Speaker 4: great that we have I mean, if I had Twitter
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  Speaker 4: on my first walk we've been, it would have been
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  Speaker 4: a perfect venue to sort of give updates of my
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  Speaker 4: walk and then you know, build a following there. So
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  Speaker 4: then when you're ready to sort of do either you know,
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  Speaker 4: a campaign, you know, to raise money or if you're
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  Speaker 4: trying to do screenings, you already have your audience because
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  Speaker 4: they're interested in the project itself, the subject matter itself.
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  Speaker 4: So I think that's the key, is the sort of
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  Speaker 4: fine and your audience or just have an interest in
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  Speaker 4: that and not necessarily maybe in films, but just like
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  Speaker 4: what you're what you're interested in, and what your documentary
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  Speaker 4: is about.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, very good points. And so to go back to
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  Speaker 5: your first journey, you know it's two thousand and you're
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  Speaker 5: about to start your first journey. So take us back
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  Speaker 5: to that first day. Where did you start your journey?
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  Speaker 5: And also you know what was going through your mind
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  Speaker 5: when you first started.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I started in New Jersey, and anyone who is
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  Speaker 4: from the New York area knows that's the best place
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  Speaker 4: to start any journey. No, so it was it was
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  Speaker 4: mainly because of conveniences, Like if I wanted to start
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  Speaker 4: in New York, I wanted to start with the Atlantic Ocean,
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  Speaker 4: putting your hands in the Atlantic Ocean. It was sort
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  Speaker 4: of the you know ocean to ocean was the main
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  Speaker 4: parameters of the walk. So if I had to start
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  Speaker 4: in New York, I would have had to start way
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  Speaker 4: into Brooklyn, like Connellans. It would have taken me like two
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  Speaker 4: days just to get out of you know, the New
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  Speaker 4: York City area. So I figured, well, let's do a
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  Speaker 4: shortcut that start in New Jersey. I had a bunch
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  Speaker 4: of so I took a ferry with a bunch of
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  Speaker 4: friends and family. They came over to Sandy Hook, New Jersey,
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  Speaker 4: which is just north Shore and it was great because,
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  Speaker 4: you know, it's kind of like you sort of felt
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  Speaker 4: like a celebrity for a brief moment there, and then
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  Speaker 4: ten minutes later on my walk, I'm by my stuff.
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  Speaker 4: I'm like, oh boy, I am really doing this. It's
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  Speaker 4: just like it seemed kind of surreal where you're like
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  Speaker 4: it was like a joke before and now it's like, okay,
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  Speaker 4: now it's I'm really doing it, and like, am I
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  Speaker 4: really going to be doing this for the next you know,
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  Speaker 4: six to nine months of my life. It's like it
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  Speaker 4: weighs on you really quickly, but it doesn't hit you
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  Speaker 4: until you're actually making those first steps.
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  Speaker 5: And then when you first started, was there anybody in particular,
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  Speaker 5: like when you want to traveling that you specifically wanted
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  Speaker 5: to meet or did you just wanted to go town
• 16:53
  Speaker 5: to town and whoever I meet is that's who would
• 16:55
  Speaker 5: be in the documentary.
• 16:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean again, it's like I was a pro
• 17:00
  Speaker 4: coaching a sort of as you know, I'm just gonna
• 17:02
  Speaker 4: put together some goofy, you know, fun you know video
• 17:06
  Speaker 4: of me walking. I mean I used to enjoy just
• 17:08
  Speaker 4: videotaping anything. If I was like, had a you know trip,
• 17:11
  Speaker 4: you know, to the museum, I'd film it and make
• 17:14
  Speaker 4: it into a little goofy, you know, five minute video.
• 17:17
  Speaker 4: So I was sart of seeing this like, oh, it's
• 17:19
  Speaker 4: the same thing I've been doing, you know, kind of
• 17:22
  Speaker 4: for the last ten years of my life, but now,
• 17:23
  Speaker 4: you know, times one hundred or whatever. So I didn't
• 17:26
  Speaker 4: really have any real goals of meeting anybody. It was
• 17:28
  Speaker 4: just more like I just wanted to sort of go
• 17:30
  Speaker 4: on an adventure and just be able to share it
• 17:33
  Speaker 4: in a humorous way with maybe only a small audience,
• 17:37
  Speaker 4: but you know, hopefully try to you know, have my
• 17:40
  Speaker 4: pain and suffering be the comical fodder for somebody else.
• 17:46
  Speaker 5: So in the first trip, you you actually made it
• 17:49
  Speaker 5: all way to South Dakota. Yeah, and that's where you quit.
• 17:52
  Speaker 5: Now that's not a spoiler for anybody listening, I said,
• 17:54
  Speaker 5: with a spoil or anything that's on Mark's blog, But
• 17:58
  Speaker 5: you actually quit in South Dakta. Was Was it just
• 18:02
  Speaker 5: too much at the first time and you just said
• 18:04
  Speaker 5: I can't take us anymore?
• 18:05
  Speaker 4: Or yeah. It's one of those things. It's it's one
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: of those questions that people ask me, and it's one
• 18:10
  Speaker 4: of those it's a difficult question to answer because it's
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: hard to know what the factors are. It's I mean,
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: you can name the things like okay, yeah, I mean
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: I was I was getting lonely, I was getting bored.
• 18:25
  Speaker 4: I was actually running out of money. So it was
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: you know, the mosquitoes were bothering me. So it's a
• 18:30
  Speaker 4: lot of things that you know, we're sort of building up,
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: building up, and you do become reflective and you're like, okay,
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: why am I doing this? And like I said, my
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: original approach was just like, Okay, I want to go
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: on an adventure and film it and make it, you know,
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: funny for people. And I sort of felt like, well
• 18:47
  Speaker 4: I did accomplish that. I think i've you know, back then,
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: we had you know blogs, so uh they're like Twitter
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: but longer, and so I mean we so my friend
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: was doing a blog, so I felt like, Okay, I
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: got it. You know, a bunch of people they enjoyed it.
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: But part of it also then got to a point
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: where I was like, I didn't like the idea people
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: knowing what I was doing. It's sort of they were
• 19:12
  Speaker 4: conflicting with each other. The walk itself is a very personal,
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: private kind of thing in a sense, but then also
• 19:18
  Speaker 4: you know, you want to turn it into something that's
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: you know, public and entertaining, but they don't really work
• 19:24
  Speaker 4: well together. So when you're walking, when you're really embracing
• 19:27
  Speaker 4: the walk, you don't really want to feel. You don't
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: want to feel about how am I going to do
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: a joke, how am I going to get this camera angle?
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: Should I film this thing? You know, all these sort
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: of logistical things to make a TV show or eventually
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: a documentary. You don't think about those when you're walking.
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: So I think at that point I was like, I
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: was too focused on the other thing, and I wasn't
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: focused enough on me and a personal on journey. So
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: it kind of made sense at that point for me
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: just to go back home.
• 19:55
  Speaker 5: And how did you get home?
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: I walked home.
• 19:59
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• 20:03
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• 20:11
  Speaker 4: Wait a minute, Uh no, I actually I took a bus.
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: And there's probably nothing more depressing than taking a bus
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: in general. And when you're taking a Greyhound bus after
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: deciding to quit, you know, a magnificent sort of massive undertaking.
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: It's it's it's, you know, deeply, you know, saddening, but uh,
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: it was. It was kind of it was kind of
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: I had to make that decision in that point because
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: it was, as I sort of saw it as the
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: point of no return. It was the South Dakota border
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: was kind of the halfway point in the walk. I
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: always tell people, if you take an atlas the United
• 20:50
  Speaker 4: States and open it up, it's usually the crease. It's
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: the right about where I quit. So it was kind
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: of I had to make that decision at that point.
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: And I knew that it was either continue all the
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: way to uh the Pacific Ocean, or go home. So
• 21:03
  Speaker 4: I went home.
• 21:05
  Speaker 5: So then at that point, you know, you come, you know,
• 21:07
  Speaker 5: years later, Fatwar two years later, you sort of feel
• 21:10
  Speaker 5: relate to plan and do this again.
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah. It was one of those things that I sort
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: of as enjoying, you know, the excitement of the of
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: the travel, but you know, telling people about it was
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: it was a great conversation piece. But in the back
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: of my head, it was it was, it was always.
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: It started praying in my mind, you know, almost immediately,
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: I started having those anxiety dreams, similar to like when
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: you're back in high school and you're late for that,
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: you know, you didn't study for the exam or something.
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: I had the things where I would be all of
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: a sudden back walking across the country in some distant
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: state like Wyoming, and I would be all of a sudden,
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: I would accidentally get on a train back home and
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: I'd be like, oh no, I ruined it again. So
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: it was one of these things just like, oh, I
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: got to get this done because I have to do
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: it for myself.
• 22:00
  Speaker 5: Do you have a day job at this time too?
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah. I went back to the same job I had
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: before I did my walk, and then it continued on
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: and then graft design moved around from one job to
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: the other. I fortunately got into working for an ad
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: agency a decent ad agency that paid very well. So
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: part of the inspiration was that I was able to
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: save up a lot of money or a decent amount
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: of money. So that was kind of key. I knew
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: that if I was going to do the walk again
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: that I wanted to build up a bigger nest egg,
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: just to have a bigger safety net in case I
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: just want I didn't have to worry about. That's one
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: thing I didn't want to worry about, like, oh, can
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: I afford this hotel? Like if you're going crazy, like
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: I want to take a break for two days, can
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: I afford this hotel? Yes, you don't want to worry
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: about that.
• 22:47
  Speaker 5: So did you just have cash and no credit cards?
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: No? I basically had. Yeah, I carried ten thousand dollars
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: and no, I'd be happy. Brilliant move. It's funny people
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: ask that question. I always think. I always think the
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: answer is obvious. I just had a debit card, so
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: I just you know, saved it up, put it in
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: my checking account, and just sort of you know. Unfortunately,
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: in America now you can find it, you know, an
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: ATM machine pretty much anywhere, and even McDonald still have
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: a usually an ATM machine there, so I was just
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: you know, take out money as you needed it and yeah,
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: and and sometimes you're lucky if you were low on cash.
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: I looked pathetic enough that he just sort of sat
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: in front of a store. Someone probably eventually give you money.
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: So that helped too, because.
• 23:35
  Speaker 5: You know, I know it does seem like an obvious question,
• 23:38
  Speaker 5: but when I was thinking, when I was reading about
• 23:40
  Speaker 5: your documentary, I'm thinking, what if he did just take
• 23:42
  Speaker 5: a lot of cash arounds? What we just what did
• 23:46
  Speaker 5: we just threw caution to the wind and just decided
• 23:48
  Speaker 5: to walk around with like, you know, fifteen k Yeah, that.
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: Would probably be impractical on many levels, the one being
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: you know, being robbed, and then too the weight just
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: like oh paper, you know you're always saying about poundage
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: and ounces. You're like, oh, I mean you really make
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: it really makes a big difference between one tent and
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: another tent. It's like a medical Well, this tent is
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: like one hundred dollars more, but it's three ounces lighter.
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: You're gonna go over that one of three ounces lighter
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: because every little bit helps.
• 24:17
  Speaker 5: So when did you officially start the second journey? What
• 24:21
  Speaker 5: year was that?
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: Well, I'm not I'm not revealing the year only for
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: dramatic purposes on the documentary, but we'll say it was
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: it was approximately you know, it was a few years ago,
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: so it was about ten years after the first one.
• 24:37
  Speaker 5: Okay, So and then you know, did you also just
• 24:41
  Speaker 5: you had to quit that job and then obviously you
• 24:44
  Speaker 5: started across the country. So what were if, without giving
• 24:47
  Speaker 5: away too much, what were some of the craziest stories
• 24:50
  Speaker 5: you have from filming?
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: Well, certainly, yeah, I mean it's it's one of those
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: things that's like, oh, you can think about all that,
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: all the different crazy things, like every day is like
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: a crazy day because what's not quite the answer what
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: you're looking more. But one interesting thing is that when
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: you're walking, time moves extremely slow. So when you are
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: thinking back of what happened earlier that same day, it
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: feels like it was several days ago. It really it
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: boggles the mind. Sometimes you're like, oh, when I did that,
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: you know, on Tuesday or Wednesday. I'm like, no, women,
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: that was this morning. So all the sort of the
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: craziness gets sort of jammed in there, and like I said,
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: it's like a microcosm, so every little bit becomes magnified
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: in your mind. But I got a shotgun polami in
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: West Virginia. So that's was crazy and rather unnerving.
• 25:46
  Speaker 5: Wow, you know, I was actually just watching a documentary
• 25:48
  Speaker 5: about West Virginia too.
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah, wasn't a positive or was it a negative?
• 25:52
  Speaker 5: Negative? Very negative? And it was actually called the Uh
• 25:56
  Speaker 5: well it wasn't. It wasn't about West Virginia, person say,
• 26:00
  Speaker 5: but it was about the people of West Virginia and
• 26:03
  Speaker 5: you know, just about the mining operation there and and
• 26:06
  Speaker 5: some of the locals. So I could totally believe is
• 26:09
  Speaker 5: this saying that recommended? I can totally believe you're getting
• 26:11
  Speaker 5: a shotgun pulled on you in West Virginia.
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah. I don't want to cast dispersions upon the good
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: folks at West Virginia. But it's all good.
• 26:17
  Speaker 5: Yeah obviously you know, I'm just kidding, but.
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I know. But but I mean one thing I
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: did notice in West Virginia. I mean, when you're walking,
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: one of the keys is you got to find a
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: place to camp out. And so you got to find
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: that right sweet spot where it's like a patch of
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: woods you're sort of hidden. But also you don't want
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: to be like obviously on someone's land. Uh, you know,
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: because you know, I mean, you're going to be trespassing,
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: but you really just don't want to be invasive in
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: your trespassing, so you try to find that nice, sort
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: of sweet piece of land that's hidden but also a
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: nice buffer from anyone's you know, sort of obvious home
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: and where they could see you. But in West Virginia,
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: I noticed that it was very difficult to find any
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: spot that wasn't somehow occupy with some sort of hovel structure.
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: Like in West Virginia, like land I don't know, just
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: seems to be a lot of sort of squatters on
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: the land where you think, oh, that's me perfect and
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: camp right here. And obviously you see a little box
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: made out of like you know, piece of pieces of
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: sheet metal and and like you know, a barrel with
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: a fire going there, Like okay, I guess that's some
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: Moonshiner's you know, a residence there or something. So it's
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: a very it's a it's a very interesting different kind
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: of mentality there. And I think they're certainly a little
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: bit more wary of sort of strangers coming into their area.
• 27:38
  Speaker 5: I mean, that is that is you know, pretty scary
• 27:40
  Speaker 5: that I have a shotgun pulled on you. But again,
• 27:42
  Speaker 5: you know, thanks for sharing with us. Again, I want
• 27:44
  Speaker 5: to give too much away. If there was some kind
• 27:46
  Speaker 5: of you know, uh you know, incredibly crazy story because
• 27:50
  Speaker 5: documentary is coming out. Uh well, we'll get to that too,
• 27:53
  Speaker 5: but when the doctor's going out.
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: But right, yeah, no, I mean, yeah, I mean, I think, uh,
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: I mean also part of the fun is I mean
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: there's also some stories that you know, which is we're crazy,
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: but you didn't didn't capture on video, So that's also
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: that's part of it too. So I mean I did
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: get the it again goes with sort of the filmmaking,
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: and I did happen to get the audio of the
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: guy when he pulled the shotgun, but I didn't get
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: the video of it. So it's one of those things.
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: It's like, you don't know how that's gonna work out
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: when it comes to the final you know, the final
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: cut of the film, whether even to use it or not,
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: because if you don't have the video, I mean, if
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: you don't have the you know, it's just a shot
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: of the ground basically, but there's also a certain charm
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: and I think too sometimes in a documentary we don't
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: have that perfect shot I'm always a little bit suspicious
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: of those documentaries that has nothing but beautiful shots, so
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: I think that's something to go with as well.
• 28:48
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you can always just super impose the text on
• 28:50
  Speaker 5: the on the the on the shot too as well.
• 28:53
  Speaker 5: So if you have a shot point to the ground.
• 28:55
  Speaker 5: I've seen it before too, you know where they Yeah,
• 28:57
  Speaker 5: they don't have the perfect shot, so they just super
• 28:58
  Speaker 5: imposed the audio just in case.
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm actually and I'm toying with the idea because
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: I do I'm working with it an animator to to
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: basically do graphics of the map more or less to
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: show the progress, because I find it's very important to
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: sort of get a you know, a bird's eye view
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: of like the progress you're making. But I'm also toying
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: with the idea of some of these moments that weren't
• 29:22
  Speaker 4: captured on film, sort of do a little animated little
• 29:25
  Speaker 4: sequence of them, especially if I have the audio of
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: it might be kind of entertaining to actually do a
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: little cartoon with the actual audio. But that's one of
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: those things that you sort of developed when it gets
• 29:36
  Speaker 4: closer to the final edit.
• 29:38
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I told you where you're coming from, And yeah,
• 29:41
  Speaker 5: I wish you the best animation stuff. I know that
• 29:43
  Speaker 5: can be tricky sometimes just to find the other right
• 29:45
  Speaker 5: animator and everything.
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly. I mean, you know, I have a friend
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: who was sort of a friend of a friend who's
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: in I think he's a fantastic editor. But yeah, it's
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: also a matter of, like, you know, when you're doing
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: a low ultra low budget you know.
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor
• 30:05
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• 30:08
  Speaker 4: Documentary. It's like, you want to you want to spend
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: you want to make the best film you can, but
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: also you want to know where to spend your money priorities,
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: so where you need to spend the money first.
• 30:19
  Speaker 5: Jack, And I think that's another you know, a trait
• 30:21
  Speaker 5: that of having a good producer comes in even for
• 30:24
  Speaker 5: your documentary or future film what have you. Is just
• 30:27
  Speaker 5: knowing how to allocate budgets properly. Yeah, that's a skill
• 30:31
  Speaker 5: on of in itself.
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, And it's certainly one of those ones as
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: a you know, as a director, you don't want to
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: think about as much because you want to think more
• 30:39
  Speaker 4: about how can I, you know, how can I make
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: this a great entertaining film that's going to maybe have
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: some meaning to an audience out there, and it's hard
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: to sort of put on the different hats. And that's
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: why I agree it's it's good to have a producer
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: that has the enthusiasm but also has the ability to
• 30:57
  Speaker 4: be able to, you know, pull away and say, listen,
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: we can't that. You know, we can do this, you know, yeah, exactly.
• 31:03
  Speaker 5: So, Mark, do you want to take some questions right
• 31:06
  Speaker 5: now from the audience? Sure, from our Twitter audience.
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: Sure.
• 31:11
  Speaker 5: The first question I have, and this comes from at
• 31:15
  Speaker 5: Emily Russell act, is where is the weirdest place you
• 31:19
  Speaker 5: ever pooped? Any lot of lizard story experiences?
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: Okay, I don't understand what the second one means.
• 31:27
  Speaker 5: I don't know what that means either.
• 31:29
  Speaker 4: Okay, I know what the first one means. Yeah, I
• 31:34
  Speaker 4: mean it's funny. On the first walk, I I never
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: I never should we use the verb poop? I don't know.
• 31:46
  Speaker 5: I'd pretty use whatever whatever verb you'd like.
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: Okay, no holds bar No, I mean I never went
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: to number two. We never defecated other than in public restrooms.
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: But on the second walk, you sort of learned at
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: some point You're like, okay, you know what I remember
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: the first time I actually uh ship in the woods
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: and felt like a bear, and I was like it
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: was actually rather liberating because you're like, Okay, you know
• 32:13
  Speaker 4: this is you know, this is part of what what
• 32:16
  Speaker 4: we're doing here. I mean, you know, it was always
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: very careful, but not being on again in someone's property.
• 32:20
  Speaker 4: But I'm glad we were able to finally get that
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: controversy out in the open.
• 32:28
  Speaker 5: That it's surprised. Is that surprising me? That's the first question.
• 32:31
  Speaker 4: It is sort of the as it's an opener. Yeah,
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: that was more would be a closer type of thing,
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: you know, or I could just laugh it off. Anyway.
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: It's great, been talking to you and.
• 32:41
  Speaker 5: Care see you later. Uh yeah. The second question is, uh,
• 32:46
  Speaker 5: this is by Zia Taylor and at me underscore by
• 32:50
  Speaker 5: underscores how many pairs of shoes did it take to
• 32:54
  Speaker 5: walk across the country.
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: That's funny, I mean that's actually that's that was usually
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: like when I was walking and people had the questions
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: while I was walking, that's the question they'd loved asking
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: how many pairs of shoes? And I always, for some reason,
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: I don't know why, I was resentful with that question.
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: I'm like, who cares, you know. I kind of was like, yeah,
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: who cares about that? And I never had a good
• 33:14
  Speaker 4: answer because also you're always sort of rotating your your
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: your shoes, so you're going kind of you have your
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: main pair and you have your your backup pair. But
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: I would say I had probably three main pairs of
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: shoes that sort of got me across, and then probably
• 33:30
  Speaker 4: another two or three secondary pairs I sort of had
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: as back up. And I can even I can name
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: out of Marrel's and uh, and then I ended up
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: with the Columbia's, which were super cheap. Actually I got
• 33:44
  Speaker 4: in Casper, Wyoming and they got me all the way
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: from Casper, Wyoming to to the to the sunny shores
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: of California. Oh nice, yeahs. I mean then they were
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: pretty cheap, and I was like, I was kind of
• 33:57
  Speaker 4: surprised they're getting they were getting kind of you know,
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: getting kind of holy and or you know, torn apart
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: by by that time. But they did make me there
• 34:06
  Speaker 4: and get me there.
• 34:07
  Speaker 5: So you know, it's interesting if you, I wonder if
• 34:10
  Speaker 5: you ever pitched this to a shoe company, I wonder
• 34:13
  Speaker 5: what the response would have been. I think if you
• 34:14
  Speaker 5: pitched you like a Nike or an Adidas.
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I'm still I mean, of course you're
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: still open to that because I mean we're you know,
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: only just now sort of you know, entering post production,
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: which can actually be very costly part. Oh absolutely, especially
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: on a documentary because that's where kind of the storytelling
• 34:32
  Speaker 4: is being developed. So we're still we're not closed the
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: idea of finding any sort of any sort of corporate
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: sponsorship if they're willing. But I mean again talking to
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: about being first time directors, it's a little bit more
• 34:48
  Speaker 4: difficult when you don't have a big resume under your
• 34:51
  Speaker 4: belts to be able to get some of those corporate sponsors.
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: But that's also the advantage of sometimes getting a good producer,
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: because if you can get a good producer, even if
• 34:59
  Speaker 4: it's a name that has a decent amount of credits,
• 35:03
  Speaker 4: I definitely found to find that that will open up
• 35:05
  Speaker 4: more doors at least get you to talk to some
• 35:09
  Speaker 4: people and maybe pitch some ideas.
• 35:11
  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, absolutely. And the best question that comes in
• 35:14
  Speaker 5: from at Google Bartle, which is any trouble from police
• 35:20
  Speaker 5: or hostile locals.
• 35:25
  Speaker 4: Well, we talked about the hostile local. There were a
• 35:28
  Speaker 4: couple of other hostile locals, but actually not many hostile locals.
• 35:31
  Speaker 4: It was mostly but I did encounter the police, believe
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: it or not. Pretty much every state you walk through,
• 35:39
  Speaker 4: you get stopped by the police. It just it's they
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: always claim that just because they give a lot of
• 35:46
  Speaker 4: different reasons why. Sometimes they give false reasons, you know,
• 35:49
  Speaker 4: oh we got to complain about this or that. But
• 35:52
  Speaker 4: a lot of times it's just strictly you look a
• 35:54
  Speaker 4: little strange. They want to write your name down. And
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: actually a couple of the encounters inc do make it
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: into well should make it into the final cut of
• 36:03
  Speaker 4: the film. So I did get a couple on a video,
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: so definitely, you know, I mean I built a certain
• 36:12
  Speaker 4: resentment towards our law enforcement people, but I mean I
• 36:15
  Speaker 4: sort of also understood, you know, why they were doing it.
• 36:18
  Speaker 4: So half the time I was usually okay without the
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: other half the times I was like, don't be bugging me, man,
• 36:23
  Speaker 4: I'm just doing my thing.
• 36:27
  Speaker 5: So it's not gonna be like a police brutality your
• 36:29
  Speaker 5: incident in the documentary or anything.
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah, y'all been brutalizing me every single day, Dobbs. Sorry,
• 36:35
  Speaker 4: it's a David Cross thing. Yeah, y'all been brutalizing me. So,
• 36:40
  Speaker 4: I mean, but it is. I mean it does sort
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: of ruin the flow sometimes. Again, if it's the timing
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: is off, you're like, wow, it's it also sort is
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: a good interesting comment about how things change sometimes from
• 36:52
  Speaker 4: one count to the other. When I was county from
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: the other because I was in Kentucky, I was in
• 36:58
  Speaker 4: this one county with this one town. Everyone wonderful. There
• 37:01
  Speaker 4: was just I was gonna stay in this town for
• 37:02
  Speaker 4: like just a few minutes just to pick up a
• 37:04
  Speaker 4: package at the post office. But all the people were amazing.
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: They were just like so enthusiastic. They had a great
• 37:10
  Speaker 4: sense of humor. You know, they understood, you know what
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: my walk was about. It was just like this instantaneous
• 37:15
  Speaker 4: like understanding. And then you go over just the county line,
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: and the next thing you know, you're getting called on
• 37:21
  Speaker 4: by the police by you know, a nosy neighbor or something,
• 37:25
  Speaker 4: and you're getting this sort of real sort of negative attitude.
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: So I just a matter of a couple miles makes
• 37:31
  Speaker 4: a difference in America, which is very unexpected.
• 37:35
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, just to the side, and I think
• 37:36
  Speaker 5: a lot of people, like in front of European listeners.
• 37:39
  Speaker 5: So you know, I always say this is that fifty
• 37:42
  Speaker 5: that America really is like fifty different mini countries, because
• 37:46
  Speaker 5: really I've been all over this country too, and you
• 37:49
  Speaker 5: you know, just going from state to state, you know,
• 37:51
  Speaker 5: not only does each stake that they make up its
• 37:53
  Speaker 5: own laws, but you know also you find like different customs,
• 37:56
  Speaker 5: different locals. I mean, really, it's just it is amazing
• 37:59
  Speaker 5: how different this country is.
• 38:01
  Speaker 4: Right, And I always sort of understood that and then,
• 38:02
  Speaker 4: but it was very fascint when you discover how it
• 38:05
  Speaker 4: works on it even on a smaller level, just I'm
• 38:07
  Speaker 4: going from one township to the next township can make
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: a difference too, And it's like you notice there's certain
• 38:13
  Speaker 4: rivalries going out between these towns, like it's a servant.
• 38:16
  Speaker 4: It's a weird, like understated thing where like they won't
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: even acknowledge the next town over. I'm like, oh, how
• 38:21
  Speaker 4: far is it the Lewisbourg. They're like, I've never heard
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: of Louisbourg and I'm like, it's the next town over. Well,
• 38:27
  Speaker 4: I don't know anything about that. So it's like, okay,
• 38:30
  Speaker 4: so you it's it's very people are very uh and
• 38:34
  Speaker 4: and that what is sort of nationalism on a very
• 38:37
  Speaker 4: local level, so I don't know township ism.
• 38:41
  Speaker 5: So our next question is what was the biggest pain
• 38:44
  Speaker 5: you experienced along the way? Mental or physical and specific incidents?
• 38:49
  Speaker 4: Please?
• 38:49
  Speaker 5: And that was from at the I think the Heatherington
• 38:53
  Speaker 5: A oh sorry, a Heatherington. So again I tretorate that
• 38:56
  Speaker 5: that was what was the biggest pain you experienced along
• 38:58
  Speaker 5: the way? Mental, physical and incidents?
• 39:01
  Speaker 4: Please? Oh m, that's never getting now we're getting into
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: deep sadness.
• 39:08
  Speaker 5: You want me you want me to come back to
• 39:09
  Speaker 5: that one.
• 39:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah, maybe we can come back to that one.
• 39:11
  Speaker 5: Okay. Now I have about two or three more questions
• 39:14
  Speaker 5: about you, uh, you know, dropping a deuce or your
• 39:17
  Speaker 5: bathroom habots.
• 39:18
  Speaker 4: Okay, want me to skip those? Yeah? Well we well,
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: I'll tell one little mini story of actually there's not
• 39:26
  Speaker 4: much of a mini story. I just have actually two
• 39:27
  Speaker 4: words for you, tackle bell. We'll leave it at that. So, uh,
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: that caused that, That caused a couple uh close calls,
• 39:38
  Speaker 4: if you will. And then and then the solution usually is,
• 39:41
  Speaker 4: uh a bridge. So going underneath the bridge is sort
• 39:47
  Speaker 4: of your kind of is like a little safe haven
• 39:50
  Speaker 4: which actually continues on obestally, not just to you know, uh,
• 39:54
  Speaker 4: dropping a deuce. It's also it applies to sometimes when
• 39:58
  Speaker 4: it's raining and you want to escape the rain.
• 40:01
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• 40:07
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• 40:10
  Speaker 4: Or you want a place to camp out, you can't
• 40:12
  Speaker 4: find a place a lot of times, just go underneath
• 40:14
  Speaker 4: the bridge. I found a certain amount of comfort, and
• 40:18
  Speaker 4: that's something I discovered more in the second walk and
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: first walk. I didn't really do that very much, but
• 40:22
  Speaker 4: on the second walk I sort of started embracing the
• 40:25
  Speaker 4: bridge concept. And maybe I was more hoboie or at
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: that point, but you found a certain comfort, and you
• 40:33
  Speaker 4: sort of got used to that sound, that worrying sound
• 40:36
  Speaker 4: of the car is going over the bridge above you.
• 40:38
  Speaker 4: You sort of kind of it was almost like a
• 40:40
  Speaker 4: lulla bio would send you to sleep.
• 40:43
  Speaker 5: So okay, So your advice was, you know, taco bell,
• 40:46
  Speaker 5: which is, you know, a good run for the border
• 40:48
  Speaker 5: and then bridges.
• 40:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah, well yeah, I had to talk about run for
• 40:51
  Speaker 4: the bridge, border, you know, or whatever. So that's that's
• 40:54
  Speaker 4: usually what you have to do if you eat Taco Bell.
• 40:57
  Speaker 4: So I would highly recommend not eating Taco Bell when
• 41:00
  Speaker 4: you're walking across the country, but to each their own.
• 41:04
  Speaker 5: And uh cool Saint three is where did where in
• 41:08
  Speaker 5: the hell did you charge your phone?
• 41:11
  Speaker 4: Actually, it goes back a lot to the fast food
• 41:14
  Speaker 4: uh sort of world, a lot of fast food restaurants,
• 41:19
  Speaker 4: and McDonald's was actually one of my favorite places to
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: go for multiple reasons. One was cheap food. Two was
• 41:28
  Speaker 4: a lot of times they would have an outlet where
• 41:30
  Speaker 4: you could charge your phone and my camera batteries. I
• 41:33
  Speaker 4: had to, you know, I had to charge my battery
• 41:35
  Speaker 4: the batteries of my camera as well, and it was
• 41:39
  Speaker 4: usually run by, you know, a bunch of teenage kids
• 41:42
  Speaker 4: that didn't really care that much, so you could sort
• 41:43
  Speaker 4: of sit there if you wanted to for hours and
• 41:45
  Speaker 4: hours and no one would ever, you know, give you
• 41:48
  Speaker 4: a hard time. So those were also really nice places
• 41:51
  Speaker 4: to sort of go. It was kind of like your
• 41:53
  Speaker 4: little pit stop where you get sort of regroup and
• 41:57
  Speaker 4: do a little quick I don't know, you would call
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: it a little quick mini mini bath in the bathroom
• 42:03
  Speaker 4: and get ready for your next leg at the walk.
• 42:07
  Speaker 5: That's cool at least you know that it's always helpful
• 42:09
  Speaker 5: when you finding prouper kids who are just like, yeah,
• 42:11
  Speaker 5: you know, we're not going to take this too, seriously.
• 42:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah, no, even the adults didn't. I mean so, I
• 42:15
  Speaker 4: mean I spent a lot of times in uh like
• 42:18
  Speaker 4: fast food places, and I remember actually I was at
• 42:20
  Speaker 4: a subway and I was like I was in the
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: corner and I was like looking for something. So I
• 42:27
  Speaker 4: was like pulling everything out of my bag. It was
• 42:29
  Speaker 4: just like I had like, you know, dirty socks. I
• 42:31
  Speaker 4: had just like you know, I had chords for my
• 42:33
  Speaker 4: you know, my camera all, you know, all over the place,
• 42:36
  Speaker 4: and I'm like looking for the manager sort steps up
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: and it's like, Hi, what's going on, And I'm like,
• 42:42
  Speaker 4: oh no, I'm gonna get I'm gonna get in trouble.
• 42:44
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna get hassled. And he's like I'm walking across
• 42:47
  Speaker 4: the country and I'm looking for my battery. And it's like,
• 42:49
  Speaker 4: oh my god, that's so great, and so let me
• 42:51
  Speaker 4: give you some coupons for some free sandwiches you can
• 42:54
  Speaker 4: use along the way. And he was like so excited.
• 42:56
  Speaker 4: So you you you find most people were I'm so
• 43:00
  Speaker 4: excited about when you tell them what you're doing, because
• 43:04
  Speaker 4: two things. One, it's a great adventure, but also I
• 43:06
  Speaker 4: think they appreciate your exploration of our country because they
• 43:11
  Speaker 4: just know, Hey, this is someone who's taking the time
• 43:13
  Speaker 4: to not just know about Chicago and New York and
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: LA and you know, maybe Dallas or whatever. You know,
• 43:21
  Speaker 4: it's someone who's like learning all the little bits and
• 43:24
  Speaker 4: pieces of America. So I think a lot of people
• 43:27
  Speaker 4: really appreciate that.
• 43:29
  Speaker 5: Yeah, definitely, I agree with that. So that is the
• 43:33
  Speaker 5: end of the question. Because a lot of the questions
• 43:35
  Speaker 5: Mark just repeats to what we've already been over and again.
• 43:38
  Speaker 5: There's a lot of guys seem to want to really
• 43:41
  Speaker 5: know what you did with it for a bathroom wise, Yeah,
• 43:44
  Speaker 5: it seems to be number one question.
• 43:47
  Speaker 4: It's a number one question about number two. So yeah,
• 43:52
  Speaker 4: I know it's funny because it does seem like, again
• 43:54
  Speaker 4: one of those kind of obvious questions. It's like, well,
• 43:56
  Speaker 4: you know, you were in college at one point, and
• 43:58
  Speaker 4: at least you know how you know how to do
• 44:01
  Speaker 4: number one. So I'm surprised that people are asking about that.
• 44:04
  Speaker 5: But you know, it's a I think someone's hoping you're
• 44:08
  Speaker 5: just gonna say, like, yeah, I guess they're crap right
• 44:10
  Speaker 5: in the middle.
• 44:10
  Speaker 4: Of the street.
• 44:13
  Speaker 5: That's what someone's hoping out there.
• 44:14
  Speaker 4: Maybe that's what they're hoping. But I not to just disappoint,
• 44:19
  Speaker 4: but I did feel like taking a dump in the
• 44:21
  Speaker 4: middle of a Las Vegas when I was in there,
• 44:23
  Speaker 4: so only because it's just it's not a town you
• 44:27
  Speaker 4: wanted necessary walk through. It's not Some towns are definitely
• 44:31
  Speaker 4: more geared towards walking and and Las Vegas is not
• 44:36
  Speaker 4: one of the ones that sort of it doesn't really
• 44:40
  Speaker 4: open its arms, you know, to walkers. But it wasn't terrible,
• 44:43
  Speaker 4: but just it just you just felt it just didn't
• 44:45
  Speaker 4: feel right. You didn't you didn't quite mesh in there
• 44:48
  Speaker 4: quite well, which.
• 44:49
  Speaker 5: Is gambling away at college fund or anything.
• 44:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, I wasn't, you know. And it was interesting.
• 44:54
  Speaker 4: At one point I was walking, you know, I had
• 44:55
  Speaker 4: the whole stick and walking through there, and someone just
• 44:59
  Speaker 4: h I definitely got a few stairs and I actually
• 45:02
  Speaker 4: remember it reminds me when I was walking through New Jersey.
• 45:05
  Speaker 4: I was like just in Newark, New Jersey, just outside
• 45:07
  Speaker 4: of New York, New Jersey, walking with a stick, and
• 45:11
  Speaker 4: it's a big black dude in a football jersey was walking,
• 45:16
  Speaker 4: you know, coming towards me, and he just pointed me
• 45:18
  Speaker 4: and goes mountain man and just kept them walking, So
• 45:21
  Speaker 4: I was like, hey, you know again, it was that
• 45:24
  Speaker 4: was things like that actually boost your energy because it's
• 45:28
  Speaker 4: just like it's just somewhat acknowledging that you're doing something
• 45:31
  Speaker 4: and it's like a little moment. Need to share it
• 45:33
  Speaker 4: with somebody. It's kind of exciting and rewarding.
• 45:37
  Speaker 5: And as we were talking about before before the show
• 45:40
  Speaker 5: actually started, you actually we're on weeding it on, but
• 45:45
  Speaker 5: you actually try to get on the prices, right, correct?
• 45:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I was hoping. I was hoping that. You know,
• 45:50
  Speaker 4: some people actually one time I remember seeing on the
• 45:53
  Speaker 4: prices right. So one said I drove two thousand miles
• 45:56
  Speaker 4: to be on the prices, right, So I thought, well,
• 45:58
  Speaker 4: I walked four thousand And it's like, how could that?
• 46:00
  Speaker 4: How could I not get picked on there? So, uh,
• 46:04
  Speaker 4: it's one of those things where you know you're dealing
• 46:07
  Speaker 4: with TV producers and you never know what's going through
• 46:10
  Speaker 4: their minds, and and it's just one of those things
• 46:13
  Speaker 4: that you deserve. You hope, I hope you're going to
• 46:15
  Speaker 4: get some mixed I mean, and I got you know,
• 46:18
  Speaker 4: I got a lot of definitely a lot of people
• 46:19
  Speaker 4: that were interested in it. So I always like a
• 46:22
  Speaker 4: lot of times. The host of the show was very
• 46:24
  Speaker 4: interested in it, but the producers were never so keen
• 46:27
  Speaker 4: of putting me on. I don't know exactly why, but
• 46:29
  Speaker 4: it's one of those things where it's like, I think
• 46:31
  Speaker 4: it's just sort of a creative sort of rivalry going
• 46:34
  Speaker 4: on there a little bit.
• 46:36
  Speaker 5: Yeah again, yeah, you ever know if those TV producers,
• 46:38
  Speaker 5: you know, what, if they were thinking at the moment.
• 46:40
  Speaker 4: And so because Bonnie Hunt, I was in the audience
• 46:44
  Speaker 4: of Bunnie Hunt when she had her daytime show and she,
• 46:48
  Speaker 4: you know, she did a little Q and A and
• 46:49
  Speaker 4: she found out that I was walking. She was like,
• 46:51
  Speaker 4: oh my god, you got to get on the show.
• 46:53
  Speaker 4: We got to put you on the show. So then
• 46:55
  Speaker 4: I went and I talked to one of the producers,
• 46:57
  Speaker 4: and then she was like a junior producer. She's like, Okay,
• 46:59
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna go and see what they think. And then
• 47:02
  Speaker 4: she came back. When she came back, I saw that
• 47:04
  Speaker 4: she had a Bonnie Hunt sweatshirt with her. So I'm like, uh, oh,
• 47:08
  Speaker 4: that's a consolation prize. They're not gonna want to put me. Yeah, well,
• 47:12
  Speaker 4: we can't run to youth right now, but here's a sweater.
• 47:15
  Speaker 4: So whatever. So, but yeah, I mean that's also part
• 47:19
  Speaker 4: of the perseverance you need in general making a movie,
• 47:23
  Speaker 4: I mean talking about producing films is you have to
• 47:26
  Speaker 4: be confident in it and you're gonna you're gonna sometimes
• 47:30
  Speaker 4: hit roadblocks for maybe no real apparent reason, so you
• 47:35
  Speaker 4: have to just sort of keep on going and being
• 47:36
  Speaker 4: confident that what you're producing, the you know, content and
• 47:40
  Speaker 4: the story you're telling is something that you think is worthwhile.
• 47:45
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Absolutely, and now you have you and your producers
• 47:50
  Speaker 5: are forming an Indian Google campaign for the end of
• 47:52
  Speaker 5: the summer to cover post production post production on the film.
• 47:58
  Speaker 4: Correct, Yes, that's correct.
• 48:00
  Speaker 5: Of an exact date when they're be indiagog campaign is
• 48:02
  Speaker 5: supposed to start.
• 48:03
  Speaker 4: We don't have an exact date yet because we're we
• 48:06
  Speaker 4: want to finish up our the interview. Uh so we're
• 48:11
  Speaker 4: trying to finish up sort of the production of filming
• 48:13
  Speaker 4: these people. So, but we are anticipating end of the summer,
• 48:16
  Speaker 4: so we're thinking either end of August or beginning of September.
• 48:19
  Speaker 4: So it's coming up soon. But we're gonna hopefully have
• 48:24
  Speaker 4: a solid date by you know, by July. We'll know
• 48:27
  Speaker 4: when we're gonna be launching.
• 48:28
  Speaker 5: That, all right, excellent, and then obviously after that you'll
• 48:30
  Speaker 5: know exactly when the film's gonna be released.
• 48:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean you know, certainly then we'll i mean,
• 48:35
  Speaker 4: we have a timetable. But again, when it comes to
• 48:39
  Speaker 4: the editing, especially on a documentary, you never know exactly
• 48:43
  Speaker 4: you know, where it's gonna be. I mean, there's a
• 48:47
  Speaker 4: great documentary called QT in the Boxer, which was nominated
• 48:51
  Speaker 4: for an Academy Award last year, and they they spent
• 48:56
  Speaker 4: almost I think they spent almost a year editing. They
• 49:00
  Speaker 4: first started off, you know, doing it for seven months.
• 49:02
  Speaker 4: They thought they were ready, but then they all of
• 49:04
  Speaker 4: a sudden got some new footage that they weren't expecting
• 49:06
  Speaker 4: to get, and then it sort of just changed the
• 49:08
  Speaker 4: editing process again for another three months. So that's the
• 49:13
  Speaker 4: one scary thing. One good thing about My Walk is
• 49:16
  Speaker 4: that there's a sort of temporal story there where we
• 49:19
  Speaker 4: are sort of going from one end to the other,
• 49:22
  Speaker 4: you know, the country, So you can't really mix around
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  Speaker 4: with the time, you know, the narrative of the time.
• 49:28
  Speaker 4: You can't really jump from California to back to Pennsylvania.
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  Speaker 4: It doesn't really make much sense in most instances, so
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  Speaker 4: hopefully it will streamline the editing process. But we are
• 49:39
  Speaker 4: looking for beginning twenty fifteen to start shopping around with
• 49:46
  Speaker 4: some festivals and look for a distributor.
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  Speaker 5: All right, excellent, And you know when everything's up when
• 49:53
  Speaker 5: you do the crowd founding campaign up, let me know
• 49:54
  Speaker 5: and I'll definitely tweet it out for you.
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  Speaker 3: We'll be right back after a word from our spo
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  Speaker 3: and now back to the show.
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  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I appreciate that. Yeah, I mean, it's one
• 50:08
  Speaker 4: of those things. It's like you're hoping, you know, you're
• 50:11
  Speaker 4: hoping that you have an interesting enough story that at
• 50:13
  Speaker 4: least bring people to the indiegog campaign page and sort
• 50:17
  Speaker 4: of at least check it out, and then hopefully from
• 50:20
  Speaker 4: that get enthusiastic to maybe drop a bill or two.
• 50:25
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, you never know, and you know, maybe even
• 50:29
  Speaker 5: by then one of those shoe companies might even hear
• 50:31
  Speaker 5: about this project, be like, hey, yeah, that guy walked
• 50:34
  Speaker 5: through the country our shoes.
• 50:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah. And and what's also great is when you're walking,
• 50:39
  Speaker 4: you have all the little things that you might be
• 50:40
  Speaker 4: able to which we're also very handy, Like Mountain Dew
• 50:43
  Speaker 4: was handy too, So I drank a lot of mountain dew.
• 50:45
  Speaker 4: So I'm always looking towards maybe getting on sponsorship from that,
• 50:51
  Speaker 4: and it.
• 50:51
  Speaker 5: Can't hurt because a lot of some of these companies
• 50:53
  Speaker 5: they're always looking for a new way to just get
• 50:56
  Speaker 5: you know, sponsorship out there, marketing out there, and you
• 50:58
  Speaker 5: were something organic like that, it'll be beneficial.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, And there's a little teaser. I do have a video,
• 51:04
  Speaker 4: a short video which is basically a montage of me
• 51:07
  Speaker 4: drinking mountain dew across the country. So it's kind of
• 51:10
  Speaker 4: a time lapse thing like as you've probably seen before,
• 51:13
  Speaker 4: but instead it's me a guzzling mountain dew across the country. So, uh,
• 51:18
  Speaker 4: look forward to that. It's gonna be hopefully I'm going
• 51:21
  Speaker 4: to try to release that, uh leading up to the
• 51:24
  Speaker 4: Indiegogo campaign, get a little interest from there.
• 51:27
  Speaker 5: Well, and I wish you the best, Mark and you know,
• 51:30
  Speaker 5: I thank you very much for coming on the show.
• 51:32
  Speaker 5: Is in closing. Is there anything that you'd like to
• 51:34
  Speaker 5: mention or that I haven't gone to we haven't talked
• 51:36
  Speaker 5: about ready.
• 51:38
  Speaker 4: Well, also you know they're interested go to walkingfool dot com.
• 51:41
  Speaker 4: Which is the name of the movie. Did we mention
• 51:42
  Speaker 4: the name of the movie. Yeah, Okay, yeah, I'm sure
• 51:45
  Speaker 4: you did in the inshow, but to remind people, it
• 51:47
  Speaker 4: is called the Walking Fool, and you can go to
• 51:49
  Speaker 4: walkingfool dot com, which does have a trailer on there
• 51:52
  Speaker 4: so they can they can sort of see it, and
• 51:56
  Speaker 4: just from there, you know, try to spread the word
• 51:59
  Speaker 4: if you're if you're excited about it, you know, just
• 52:01
  Speaker 4: try to spread the word because, like like we've talked about,
• 52:04
  Speaker 4: when you're on a small level, it's it's important to
• 52:06
  Speaker 4: sort of get your audience, you know, not just people
• 52:09
  Speaker 4: who like documentaries and independent films, but also people that
• 52:12
  Speaker 4: are interested in the actual subject, so hikers and walkers
• 52:16
  Speaker 4: and lovers of America.
• 52:19
  Speaker 5: Yeah, camp being enthusias, stuff like that, you know. And
• 52:21
  Speaker 5: again it's called it's at walking Full doc As you're
• 52:25
  Speaker 5: on Twitter again, I'm a big Twitter guy, and you know,
• 52:28
  Speaker 5: just discussing with a lot of filmmakers Twitter, you know,
• 52:31
  Speaker 5: it always comes up in conversation. I mean, yeah, when
• 52:34
  Speaker 5: they were building a campaign, when they were building an
• 52:36
  Speaker 5: audience about just getting the word out there.
• 52:38
  Speaker 4: Absolutely, and what's great is pretty much walking fool. The
• 52:40
  Speaker 4: phrase walking fool is pretty much your number one hit
• 52:43
  Speaker 4: anywhere you go on Google or such so you can
• 52:46
  Speaker 4: always find it just by you know, doing a search
• 52:50
  Speaker 4: for a walking fool. But yeah, walking fool doc is.
• 52:52
  Speaker 4: The Twitter handle on the website is walkingfool dot com,
• 52:56
  Speaker 4: which you can then you can find Twitter account from there.
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: Ok.
• 53:00
  Speaker 5: Excellent, and again Mark, thank you very much for coming on.
• 53:03
  Speaker 4: Thanks Dave for having me. I appreciate it.
• 53:05
  Speaker 5: Oh, no problem again, Like if you ever need anything
• 53:07
  Speaker 5: from me, so let me know again. Everyone, thanks for listening.
• 53:11
  Speaker 5: Please subscribe to this on either potomatic or iTunes when
• 53:13
  Speaker 5: it's over there. You can reach me at Dave Bullis
• 53:16
  Speaker 5: dot com and again find me Twitter at Dave Underscore Bullets. Again, Mark,
• 53:20
  Speaker 5: thanks a lot for coming on and have a great day.
• 53:22
  Speaker 4: Keep on walking, Dave.
• 53:24
  Speaker 5: I'm starting to walk more and more now because the
• 53:27
  Speaker 5: weather's started to gett nicer here in Pennsylvania. You know,
• 53:30
  Speaker 5: we've had a brutal winner again and I'm finally starting
• 53:32
  Speaker 5: to get outside more and starting to walk.
• 53:34
  Speaker 4: Yes, enjoy it. And that's also I'd love to be
• 53:36
  Speaker 4: able do that just inspire some people to go for
• 53:38
  Speaker 4: a walk every once in a while, it'd be great. Yeah.
• 53:40
  Speaker 5: I was just usually stuck in from my laptop trying
• 53:42
  Speaker 5: to work on like eight million things. And yeah, then
• 53:45
  Speaker 5: you know, I was out in the sun yesterday and
• 53:47
  Speaker 5: I got sunburned from a little bit of sun, and
• 53:49
  Speaker 5: I go, man, I have been doors way too all
• 53:52
  Speaker 5: of them. But I'm a ginger anyway, so it kind
• 53:54
  Speaker 5: of happens.
• 53:54
  Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, I don't see what you look like by
• 53:56
  Speaker 4: see what your little cartoon avatar looks like. So I
• 53:59
  Speaker 4: assume that you are a little sensitive to the skin
• 54:02
  Speaker 4: and the skin section.
• 54:04
  Speaker 5: Yeah, like I get burned by like heat land it's
• 54:06
  Speaker 5: a buffets and I'm just like, oh, I'm just getting crispy.
• 54:10
  Speaker 5: So it's a constant you know, I could be constantly
• 54:13
  Speaker 5: on my guard.
• 54:14
  Speaker 4: Wow, you can never work never work to fry station
• 54:16
  Speaker 4: at McDonald's then, I guess.
• 54:18
  Speaker 5: Or Taco bell I can't work there either.
• 54:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's probably that's probably all of the best, Dave.
• 54:24
  Speaker 5: So all right, Mike, thank you very much, buddy, And
• 54:26
  Speaker 5: again everyone check out Mark at Walking Full documentary. Please
• 54:30
  Speaker 5: google that and look him up. And again, there are
• 54:31
  Speaker 5: any Google campaign hits on very soon, most likely the
• 54:37
  Speaker 5: beginning of August or late July. And again, Mark, thanks
• 54:40
  Speaker 5: a lot for.
• 54:40
  Speaker 4: Have coming on all right, so long day.
• 54:42
  Speaker 5: Thanks Beig here Buddy.
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: I want to thank Dave so much for doing such
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: a great job on this episode. If you want to
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: get links to anything we spoke about in this episode,
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: head over to the show notes at Bulletproof Screenwriting dot tv.
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: Forard Slash four eighty three, Thank you so much for listening, guys,
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: As always, keep on writing no matter what.
• 54:59
  Speaker 4: I'll talk Sue.
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