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Arguing Over AI: Can a Relationship with Tech Be Real?- 42 · Arguing Ever After

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Hello and welcome to Arguing Ever After.
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I'm Luke and as always, this is my lovely bride, Amber.
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We love it. Send it to
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arguingeverafter@gmail.com. OK, well now that we have hit
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our 42nd episode. I feel like there's a
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significance to 42. There is, I think, a
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significance to 42. Let's hear it from a book and or
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movie that I did not read and or watch called The Hitchhiker's
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Guide to the Galaxy. According to that and one of my
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cousins, the number 42 is the answer to everything in the
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universe. OK, well.
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I don't know why or how. Maybe one of our listeners will
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send us a message. Well, there you go.
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There you go. Well, we'll see what it answers
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for us. I.
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Wonder why? I don't know but you.
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Know I don't wanna know. All right, you'll have to look
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it up. But in this, as has been
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happening for the past several episodes, we have some new
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countries to welcome. And the dog tried to eat our
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homework. But yeah.
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That's normal. That's normal and in what we've
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done the last couple times we're going to do a little quiz before
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Luke welcomes or says hello to our new countries yes now Luke
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doesn't know the answers to these questions exactly however,
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he does have an idea as to what the countries are so it's.
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A little unfair, a little bit. But I'm not fully so.
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I like trivia. Here we go.
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Here we go not looking at. The OR the first country This
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country hosts the world's largest.
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Oh, just kidding. Yes, land.
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This is the world's largest landlocked country.
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The world. OK, so the size of the country
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itself is the largest when considering all other landlocked
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countries. Yep.
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Yep. Makes me wonder how many
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countries in general are landlocked.
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Probably several, but this is the largest.
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Largest landlocked country. OK, Are you ready for your next
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clue? Oh, sure, yes.
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They celebrate three different New Year's.
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That's a lot of years. It is.
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It is all within one, three, three and one final clue.
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OK, I still don't know what it is.
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Home to the endangered, elusive snow leopard.
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I got it. You do?
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Yep. OK, let's hear.
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Well, hold on. We got to give the audience a
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moment to digest that last clue, home to the elusive.
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I'm not sure that I got it. I know I tried to be.
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I think I got it this time. I think I got it.
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I'm almost certain that I got it.
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OK, Kazakhstan. You're right.
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Yes, you're right. Ha, OK, OK, so.
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They're going to get easier from here on out.
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Maybe I might have a trick up myself.
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I. Like it?
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Let's do tricks up your sleeves. OK, so how do you say hello in?
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Oh, now you're pop quizzing me. This is not easy.
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I listened to this be pronounced on the Internet so many times.
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I'm going to get it wrong because it's not what I would
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have guessed. OK, this is how you say hello in
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Kazakhstan. Yes.
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Soyemetsisbe. That's really probably good.
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Well, it might be terrible. Somebody in Kazakhstan right now
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is like, Oh my goodness, he just called my uncle ugly.
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Well, he tried to say hello. I didn't try to call your uncle
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ugly. I'm really sorry.
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No, no. How about that?
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No. No, and welcome to arguing ever
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after or welcome back. I should be saying welcome back
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each time. Welcome back.
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All right, Are you ready for the next?
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Country, I'm ready for the next. Country.
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This country's name means land of the Pure.
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It's name, yes, I got it. OK.
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But I'll tell you why in a minute.
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OK, go ahead. OK, it's home to three of the
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longest glaciers outside of polar regions.
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What? I definitely still have it, but
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what I know three of the longest.
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Oh, outside of polar regions, which is where most of them
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probably are. I'm actually shocked there's
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still glaciers there. Yeah, yeah.
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And or anyway OK. OK.
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And they make 70% of all footballs that are made in the
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world. And by football, what is, I
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mean, soccer ball? OK, still very strange that
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that's. Yeah, 70% of all of them come
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from this country. OK, I had it on the first one.
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Do you have more clues? That's it for that one.
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OK, we're going to let the audience absorb the last soccer
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ball clue, right? Or football clue.
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I actually had to look that up to see what they meant.
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When they said football. Did they mean American football?
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No, they meant soccer. Ball, this is Pakistan.
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You are correct. Which is probably pronounced
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Pakistan or something like that. All right.
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This one, hello in there. I didn't look up all of the sub
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languages 'cause you told me there was more after the fact
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but the predominant language. Oh you know what?
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I should have looked up too. And now I'm mad at myself
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because Pakistan is the country that had the separation.
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What was that called when they split into two?
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I don't know, like religious zones.
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I have no idea. Oh, I don't know.
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But if you don't know either. Anyway, OK, well now I feel bad
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and it's OK, it's OK. You don't have to know every.
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Because most likely if they're listening to us, they speak
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English and they'll hear that. I'm sorry.
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OK, So according to the Internet that I looked up here in
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America, it says that the way to say hello in Pakistan is
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Assalamu Alaikum. All right, all right.
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Hello and welcome back. Hello and welcome back.
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OK, now this next one, this next land.
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I definitely have the answer already you.
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Don't have the answer what, but I know you know how to say hello
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in the language. I'm so confused.
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I know, audience, you said you were talking about A twist.
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Is playing tricks on me and I am not prepared.
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I know this land is a state. Is a state.
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It's a state. OK.
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And it hosts the world's largest office chair at 33 feet tall.
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We've never had this state before.
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What? Hold on.
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Yep, what you told me there. I demand another country.
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You'll get another country I wanted to trick.
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You a little. Hey, we added a sort of state,
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yes, in the United States. In the United States, yes.
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Which in German is Veronik Denstaden.
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Yes, yes. OK, good.
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What's the state? Well, I'm not done.
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Dang it, I was hoping to have you give me the answer.
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No, I'm going to give you some more clues.
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I have two more clues. The biggest office chair, yeah,
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33 feet long. Right now I'm thinking Dunder
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Mifflin, so we'll just see how that had that.
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Go this state. The windshield wipers were
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invented there. I might.
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I feel like I might know the answer to that silly question.
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Do you have more though, just in case?
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One more and I don't. I don't know that this will help
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you either, but it's one of the few places in the world where
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all three raw materials needed to make steel exist, which are
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limestone, coal and iron ore. So.
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So where would that be? We haven't said hello to them,
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so just rack your brain really quick and think of all the
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states we haven't said hello to. Good luck.
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I know I'm in. I'm between two right now.
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OK, let's see them both. It's either Ohio or
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Pennsylvania. You're wrong on both.
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No, I'm not. We've said hello to both of them
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before. I just but hold on, I wasn't
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done. That was a trick.
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OK, OK. Much like you tricked me, I just
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tricked you. You want you liked a little
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twist, you said. Yeah, Yeah.
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I got it. OK, I got it.
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OK, I'm ready. You're probably wrong.
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West Virginia. No, we've already.
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I meant. Virginia.
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Indiana. No, I don't know if we've had
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Dang. It.
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Dang it, Dang it. It's no, we have not Michigan.
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We've definitely had Michigan. They were like one of the first
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states. Do you just want to give up yet?
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Do you want to give? Up, I guess I'll give.
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Up. I mean the the clues are pretty
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difficult. That's true.
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So you can just take that. It is Alabama.
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Now, how do you say hello in Alabama?
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In Alabama? In Alabama?
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It's pronounced English. Yeah.
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That's the language of Alabama. But what do you think they call
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themselves? Like we're Minnesota.
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Alabamans. Oh, OK, OK, All right, so.
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Let's hear you say. Hello to our Alabama friends.
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Howdy, from the north. I feel like that's maybe right.
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I don't know. Could be or you.
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Alabama. Stereotype.
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They also might just say hi, which is most likely the
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correct. Answer probably correct.
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OK, Are you ready for the last? Was that fun or was that not?
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That was very difficult, so it was kind of fun, but I feel
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really bummed out that I didn't get it.
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You wouldn't have gotten it. I purposefully looked for really
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hard tricky ones because I felt like last time it was too simple
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for you. And while winning is fun.
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I do like a little variety. I just now that I know that
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you're going to maybe curveball me every once in a while.
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I think I should, yeah. OK.
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I mean, OK, so this one, now I think that you will definitely
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know because you had to prep. But for our friends, maybe I'll
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give them a fourth one just so that it's, you know, OK.
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OK. OK.
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So the first recorded strike occurred in this country.
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Really. You mean like a union strike?
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People. A workers.
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A workers strike. Yes, yes, they invented
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toothpaste. Interesting.
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And the world's first. Well, thank you by the way for
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inventing. Toothpaste man.
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The first world's first recorded peace treaty was made there
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between them and what is now Turkey.
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Really. Yeah, yeah.
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No way. Yes, Turkey.
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It is now Turkey. It wasn't Turkey when they made
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the 1st. But that's like, not close.
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I mean, OK, what do you think? Or wait, don't tell me yet.
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I'm going to give a couple little easier ones because those
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hard ones were for you because you have a way.
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I'm just telling you Turkey is not close.
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I mean, I mean close in that it's in the same hemisphere.
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OK. Well, hey, that's close.
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OK, let's have some more clues. So we'll go with this country.
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Both men and women wore eye makeup to ward off evil spirits.
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Yes, fancy, fancy mascara all the time.
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No eyeliner all the time. Yep.
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Charcoal eyeliner. Yes.
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All right. So what's the country?
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Egypt. Yes, you are right.
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I mean, Egypt barely borders like Israel and Gaza and then
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you have like like all the rest of you have like Lebanon and
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Syria and Iran and Iraq and like Turkey's up and off to the right
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a little bit. Any whatever.
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I don't know, maybe it was like Persia cause Persia bordered
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Egypt because Persia included all of those places.
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Well, way back. It's it's a fascinating bit of
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information. Look at that.
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We're learning together. Learning together.
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There you go. How do you say hello in
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Egyptian? In Egypt, In Egyptian, I don't.
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I don't know if Egyptian is a language.
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It might be, I don't know. Ancient Egyptian is no longer
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spoken. Yeah.
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How do you do that? Well, you didn't look that up.
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Wait, did you look that up? No, but maybe that's where this
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greeting comes from, because it's not their predominant
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language is also well, is it? No, I think it said.
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I think it said Egyptian. Never mind.
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Anyway, I forget. Hello.
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Is Alan. All right.
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With a little emphasis on the H that I can't do.
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It sounds weird. That's not right.
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The recording sounded different. We're going to go with Alan.
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Well, welcome back. One day we will be talking about
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some of the wonders there. Also, I would love to go to
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Egypt. Yeah, yeah.
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Imagine eating all that wonderful North African food and
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also seeing giant pyramids. I feel I like food we're into.
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Food, we are really, really into food.
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I mean, that's what several I don't I.
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Feel also, I'd like to eat food real bad in Pakistan.
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Yeah, I keep wanting to say apartheid, but that's not it
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because that's South Africa. No, no, you know the one when
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after they split in like the 30s.
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I can't get over it. It's the the Indian part of
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Pakistan and the Muslim part of Pakistan.
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You'll have to get over it because I don't have that.
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Answer and I was. It's just the name of what the
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split was. So I don't know the name of
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this. I know that it happened and then
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it was. Feeding from each other.
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Very difficult for for the country.
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I don't know and if we had our other divide.
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Do you know the capital? Not Cairo.
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Islamabad. Oh OK, I didn't know that I'm
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really bad at capitals in general.
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Oh, nevermind. Keep going.
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Sorry. I'm going to blame my home state
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for that because if you look at a lot of maps of the world, if,
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if it does show any, any city, just listen.
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If it shows any city. It'll show Minneapolis, which is
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not the capital of Minnesota, so, but I'm blaming it for that.
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I mean, I grew up here. OK, whatever.
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So. I mean, I'm just saying like I'm
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also just really bad at capitals.
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I just, I have always been. I mean, it's fine.
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What's? The capital of Montana.
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Why Billings? Man, come on, everyone in
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Montana just tuned you. Up.
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It's like Saint Helena. Oh, close, except without the
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Saint all. Right.
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All right, Helena, There you go. There you go.
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There you go. See.
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Nice chef. Let's not quiz me.
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No more quizzes. Because I will probably get it
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wrong. When you said the clue, the land
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of what was it? I don't remember which.
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The the the name of the the Pakistan meant the.
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Land of the Pure. Because I figured it out.
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Because the stand part or Stan is like all of the names in the
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area. You have like you have like
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Pakistan, Turkmenistan, Azerbaijan.
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Oh, that's Jan, not Stan. There's like a bunch that end in
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Stan. OK, OK.
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Which must be land, and so then could be.
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Pure. Maybe it means pure and all of
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them are like. I don't think so.
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That doesn't make any sense at all.
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No, stop it. I'm just, I win that.
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You you do. Except I didn't win Alabama, the
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great state of Alabama. Alabama.
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I've never been to Alabama. I think that's where the
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Hoosiers are. Right.
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Yeah, there's. A lot.
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And the Hokies. I don't know, I.
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I could be wrong about that, I don't know.
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They have a real big college football.
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Program, Yes, yes, football is big there and not the kind of
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football. Is that Roll Tide?
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I think that's Roll Tide. Why are you asking me?
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I don't know because I don't watch it either.
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It is this big deal and they they sell a lot of tickets and
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stuff. Gosh.
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Gosh, it's it's just like you could be talking to a wall.
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I have no idea. Oh, I think it might be to the
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Virginia Hokies. Nope, I don't watch college
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football. I apologize to all the college
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football fans out there. I failed we.
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Can move on. That's my bad.
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Again, welcome all these great places, but you know how I
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learned a lot of these things? Research.
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I did research them, but you know, I put a little prompt into
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the Google thing and I say give me your give me your most
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interesting facts. And then a lot of times it gives
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me facts of these places that are super not as interesting or
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like super known, but what I want are like fun and
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interesting facts. And I don't like when I ask
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Egypt, it's like, oh, here's all these things about the pyramids.
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If I say the word pyramid, even though they aren't the only
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place that has ever had pyramids, you're going to know
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it right away. Or it could give you all the
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stuff about like the Pharaohs and the yeah.
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Yes, yes, I think that treaty was signed by Ramses the Third.
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2nd. Nope, it said third.
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I made it up the second. Part Oh, OK, so, but yeah, so I
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mean, that's that is a useful thing that I what I do.
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I didn't look at the year, it didn't give me a year.
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There's some limitations this thing has.
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There's no limitations to the Internet.
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Well, I'm gonna tell you I feel like.
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There is limitations to a quick search.
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Yes, that's true. Yes, Well, I mean, I don't know.
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I don't know. I think there's lots of
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limitations and I was using the AI which, you know, like I, I
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dislike strongly and I use it a lot.
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And yet you dislike it. Strongly too.
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I dislike it a lot. I feel like I'm sure it wasn't,
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but do you remember? Of course you remember because
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you were alive back then with Yahoo when you put whatever it
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was in the search bar in Yahoo, it didn't feel like AI, but it
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must have been. It's not like some kind of how
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did it figure it out like it just major search engine whereas
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now when I'm putting searches into Google like it's actually.
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Remember, we don't say its name. I just did.
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No, but it's going to trigger something in one of these
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devices which may end our recording.
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I have trying to help. You OK anyhow when I put it in
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there? Just say search.
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Oh my God. And then it's good.
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It it will go on to this AI mode and says this is what you want.
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And of course, sometimes it's helpful, sometimes it is not.
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That is fair to say. I mean, that being said, before
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we were calling it AI, we were just calling it Digital
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Assistant. I don't remember that term.
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I wasn't awake for that. Well, OK, you were.
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It's been the last 10 years. What I'm saying is.
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Like, do you remember Siri? I do remember.
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Isn't Siri still around? Yeah.
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OK, well, what do you mean? That's a digital assistant.
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OK, but no one calls it that. People with Apple devices call
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it that because that's the vocal trigger to.
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So like with the other one, which is going to, we're not
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going to say it because it'll trigger our device.
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Digital assistant? No, they call it Siri.
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Right. But do you remember?
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Oh my God, you're like an impossible.
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But This is why you don't like technology because you're like,
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I don't know what it is. It's like you put up a shield, a
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tinfoil hat. That's what it is.
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And you're like, oh, tinfoil hat.
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It's new and it's on. It's on an electronic device.
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It's bad, It's scary, and I don't know how to use it.
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I don't understand it. And I'm out and I'm immediately
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out. Yes, yes, this is.
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This is not an unknown thing about me.
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Remember, I am the person who when I was born in 1997 or
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whatever, and the. Internet, Yeah.
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Perfect. 1997. Yep.
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Shout out the womb and said the Internet won't exist.
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The Internet is temporary. By the way, I had a reference to
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early Internet days at work recently and someone reminded me
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of the original web browser. I don't know what that.
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Was which some trivia game that he was on said was Internet
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Explorer. And he was like unbelievable.
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And he got all mad and he was like, do you remember Netscape
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Navigator? And I was like, oh, childhood
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memory unlocked. Yes, I do Netscape Navigator.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. And didn't you have to type in
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something like Netscape dot something .0 man I?
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Remember that but I remember the term but I remember by the time
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I started looking at the Internet that already like was
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pre loaded kind of like. Now you don't have to type in
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the right HTTPS colon. Back slash back slash is that.
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Right, Correct. Yep, S if it's secure but you
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got it. OK, look at that.
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See things that. WWW.
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And now you there's do you know there's numbers in the letters
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sometimes like WW and the number 3?
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Why? Cuz it continues to expand and
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so the data needs to be moved into more secure places and
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newer horizons. The same reason
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thereslike.org.net.com and then like in other countries, because
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the Internet was invented here. The like other countries like
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Australia, its.com.auyesandlikeyesgermanyis.de
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and whatever anyway. See, I know this because I've
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tried to buy things in other countries, yes.
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And I've noticed that they have an additional thing on there and
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then they tried. It's what?
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Because we invented the Internet.
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Well, we did. Some people in America vented
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the. Internet, I'm going to trust
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that you're right in that although it feels incorrect, but
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I'll trust that you're right. I mean, like it or don't like
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it. America, for all its flaws, has
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been a Center for innovation on many fronts for a very long
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time. Yes, OK.
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So but what you were saying is how it like you have to continue
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to do the addresses. I'm not a techno technological
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person. That's the word.
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There you go by. Any means?
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As a matter of fact, I still think, I still think very, very
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analog in general. Sure.
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Well we were born analog so it's not like it's not super weird.
24:53
But you are of the generation that's supposed to bridge the 2.
24:57
Yes, I am. Two, and embrace both.
24:59
And I would say that while you use technology, I would never
25:04
say that you embrace. It.
25:05
No, I don't. You're like the person that like
25:08
just hits enter 75 times because you're trying to get something
25:12
to occur rather than thinking why didn't it work when I hit
25:16
enter the first three times? I am an IT nightmare.
25:19
I get that. For sure.
25:24
Well, I also think like the internet's so fast.
25:26
How is it slower than my brain? Sometimes it just doesn't even
25:29
like technology. I mean, hold on, so many things
25:33
just need to be addressed right now.
25:35
Did you just say that you think the Internet, which I'm guessing
25:40
encompasses all of the things on your phone as well, should work
25:44
as fast as your brain? Absolutely.
25:47
Why do you think that it? Knows a lot more.
25:52
No it doesn't. The Internet doesn't know more
25:55
than my brain. There is.
25:57
Wow, lookout there is. Forget this.
26:00
There is more information contained in the Internet than
26:04
the human brain. There is not even close to the
26:10
same computational speed or like relative storage to action as
26:17
the human brain. OK, I'm gonna trust.
26:20
You not even close. I also don't trust you, but I'm
26:22
gonna trust. You.
26:23
Oh, you should. That's, like, not even close.
26:27
Like, well, for instance, the brain's been around a while,
26:30
right? Yeah.
26:33
AI, which is currently considered quote UN quote new
26:36
technology has been around for, I mean probably five years.
26:41
Think about that. Think about how far it's come in
26:44
those five years, though. Well, yes, but I mean like it's
26:47
not, it's not like the comparable to the human brain.
26:54
OK. Do you remember like it's just
26:56
not five years ago, and maybe it wasn't.
26:58
I think it was five years ago. We had some friends who were
27:00
together and they were using some sort of, you know, AI tool
27:04
at the time. And they're like.
27:05
Digital assistant It. Doesn't probably no one else.
27:10
And they were like, sitting there and you're like, make me a
27:13
fairy. Make me a fairy in this.
27:15
And like they were going through all these different pictures,
27:17
you know? Do you remember this?
27:19
How long ago do you think this was?
27:21
I'm going to say five years ago, OK, and and how I was just like,
27:28
who's going to sit there and do this ever?
27:30
Like what is the need or point of this you know?
27:33
That's like a very good question.
27:36
It was in the last two years because I was using AI, not
27:38
using it. Wasn't you a digital assistant?
27:41
OK, but you couldn't do that with like a digital assistant
27:45
couldn't render images based on a textual prompt.
27:51
I'm whatever I feel like this was definitely more than two
27:55
years ago. Could be.
27:57
But anyhow, I just thought that was bonkers.
28:00
And now today, what people can do with AI is so it's so much
28:05
more advanced. For sure it is, you know,
28:07
surprising. I mean, even I can use AI.
28:11
Even you. Like, think about the changes
28:13
that must have happened out there for me to be able to do an
28:17
e-mail, throw out an AI, say, make it sound better, and then
28:21
have it pop back out into something.
28:22
I mean it's built in now where you can literally say type me an
28:25
e-mail like in your e-mail you can click a button in the AI.
28:30
What? Yeah, and say, type me an e-mail
28:32
that contains these three bullet points and make it sound
28:35
professional. You could just write in your.
28:38
You don't even have to go to a different application.
28:40
You don't have to go to ChatGPT. Nope, ChatGPT will you stop
28:46
naming names? Oh.
28:47
My God, just. They're all listening.
28:52
They are all listening, we know that.
28:53
There's a lot of them too. We know that.
28:55
The big change that happened in the last five years was well and
28:59
really in the last like one or two was the incorporation of
29:04
task driven prompts that were preset.
29:08
Like if you would say before set a calendar reminder for this
29:14
coming Tuesday that I have to go to the gym or whatever the the
29:21
prompt, set a calendar reminder or whatever.
29:24
That was a prebuilt vocal recognition that was built into
29:29
the backside of the application. The new thing that's changed is
29:33
they've introduced LLMS Stay awake with me now.
29:37
Come on, wake up Large language models, which incorporates all
29:42
of the language data that it can about all language and the topic
29:48
that you're like talking about. So there's this change that's
29:53
gone from. You have to know the prompt to
29:58
get the result. Like if you just said, hey,
30:01
remind me on Tuesday, that might have not worked five years ago,
30:05
but now it will work because the language model understands your
30:09
language and takes it and then does that same task driven
30:14
result thing. But now it doesn't need like a
30:17
buffer between what the command to activate it is and now it
30:24
just takes normal language. OK.
30:27
That's the the big difference. OK.
30:29
Well, Luke, let me ask you a question.
30:31
Oh that's way too fast. I am super not ready.
30:33
Good. I'm so bored with the
30:35
conversation we're having. I can't believe you.
30:38
Did that out of boredom. I have so much more to talk
30:41
about. Oh.
30:44
Isn't just about AI. Though, ladies and gentlemen,
30:48
the moment you've all been waiting for and I was not ready
30:52
for has arrived in this corner, we have the amazing Amber
31:02
claiming to weigh in at 135 lbs with an insignificant win count
31:08
that we shouldn't even talk about.
31:12
She's laughing too much. Not insignificant.
31:15
OK, well in in this corner we have the very real life Luke
31:22
claiming to weigh in at 185. What if I'm an AI though?
31:25
I promise you're not. We've got to get our tallies. 8
31:30
ties. Luke's got thirteen wins and I
31:33
have 18. That's not insignificant.
31:36
Very significant. That's five.
31:37
You're winning by 5. Given and we we actually had to
31:41
record the slightly early as I will be out of town on our.
31:43
Slight early record. Our normal time period where
31:47
we're. Wait, so by the time you go on
31:50
your little trip, we'll know if there's an update?
31:54
Yes, which I hope to. Great going.
31:56
To be you are in the lead. Well, that's great.
32:00
Maybe it'll stay that way. Yeah, yeah.
32:03
And then it'll be 18 to. Did you say 13?
32:06
Yeah, yeah. It's still 18 to 14.
32:08
OK. So Luke, given everything you
32:12
were just talking about AI? And I could clearly talk for
32:14
another hour. Yeah, I know.
32:16
And we this. We promise not to talk for
32:18
another hour. We still can put some of what
32:21
you want to talk about elsewhere, OK?
32:24
Just saying like right now. Maybe that's our next keep
32:27
going. What's your?
32:28
Question, OK, so you've talked about all of the great things or
32:32
all the useful tools that AI can be sure the new, it's not new,
32:39
but I it's new to me because I can't believe anybody's doing
32:42
it, the new tool that people are using AI for.
32:47
Oh, I see where you're going. Yep, is.
32:51
To create an actual relationship with the actual AI bot thing.
33:02
Yeah. OK.
33:04
Is there? Do you think that's good?
33:08
Do I think, OK, so reframing, not reframing, restating the
33:12
question so that myself in the audience understands whatever
33:15
just came out of your mouth, I. Just don't.
33:18
I don't. Understand.
33:18
So the question is. Are.
33:23
Is it good? That people can.
33:27
That you can enter into a relationship with AI with AI.
33:34
Yeah, like have an AI girlfriend or boyfriend.
33:38
Or whatever friend. I mean, no, this boyfriend,
33:41
girlfriend, whatever. Like intimate relationship?
33:45
Sure you don't like the word intimacy?
33:47
I don't. Like the word intimacy?
33:49
Well there's people getting full on actual married.
33:52
I'm not even. I know.
33:54
So, OK, I'm ready to take the ball.
33:56
OK, my answer for the sake of this podcast, I just want to be
34:01
clear. Sometimes we argue about stuff
34:03
because we enjoy the conversation.
34:05
Yeah, I don't know that I believe this in my actual heart,
34:10
but my answer is yes. OK.
34:15
OK. And the reason it's yes, I feel
34:19
like there's people on the other side of this recording going no
34:24
is because we have and I'm going to try to speed this up a little
34:30
bit. We have had over the last, I
34:33
would say 20 years as children are being born and as social
34:38
media has increased, we have had a physical disconnect between
34:42
human interactions in the real world.
34:46
And that has led to lower and later marriages, lower and less
34:52
birth count, all that stuff. Now, I'm not saying that that's
34:55
inherently a good and we should all go for it, but it's a fairly
34:59
common thing across the globe that people seek companionship
35:04
and I think that's good and that we should.
35:06
And then often that leads to connected intimate partnership
35:09
with somebody else. And that often leads to marriage
35:12
and that often leads to kids. And I don't think any of that's
35:14
bad. I celebrate it.
35:16
I mean, we're married. I think that's great.
35:17
We have a kid. I think that she's.
35:18
Great. So in my own life, that's my
35:21
lived experience and I'm the product of a human relationship.
35:26
So. So I think that's all good
35:28
stuff. It is.
35:30
It is a fact that that distance has been and continues to grow
35:35
wider. Yeah.
35:36
Which concerns me not because I think that like, I don't want to
35:39
like get political. I don't want anyone to think
35:42
like I want, I want more babies. Like, I really don't actually
35:45
think that. I think like, it's going to be
35:48
fine. There's plenty of people, we'll
35:50
figure it out. But I think that intimate social
35:54
connection, whether that's with a like a intimate partner in the
35:59
way that you think that that means or even an intimate
36:02
relationship with a friend. But for the sake of the
36:04
argument, an intimate relationship with another, you
36:06
know, theoretic, you can even say sexual, sexual partnership
36:11
or whatever. So I think that that it is, it
36:15
is interesting and saddening to see that become a difficulty.
36:20
And because again of social media and the distancing of
36:24
social interaction, there has also been an increase in
36:29
anxiety, depression, loneliness, like, and it's a staggering
36:35
Cliff. Like if you look at any of the
36:37
data from real scientists, the spike that's happened in the
36:41
last 20 years is like a is like a rocket taking off where the
36:46
numbers now compared to even like 2 years ago.
36:50
They can't even do the studies fast enough because people are
36:54
not connecting. That's just the facts and AI to
37:00
transition into my argument and off of my soapbox.
37:04
AI has created a tool that could be useful to fill in some of
37:13
that gap so that we don't have people that are so disaffected
37:17
and so unskilled in human relationships that they remain
37:21
isolated because they have no way out.
37:24
So AI is a private and safe environment for someone to
37:29
experiment if they're learning new skills.
37:31
Like how do, like if I was a kid today and it was difficult and I
37:35
wasn't just going to the coffee shop with my friends, I could
37:38
ask the AI, well, how do I start up a conversation with somebody
37:41
that I'm interested in or. Sure.
37:44
But that's not that's not the question.
37:46
Yes, it is. No, you're just.
37:48
How do I lead into an intimate relationship with somebody?
37:50
How is that not part of the question?
37:52
Because my question is the relationship with AI, not how do
37:56
you use AI to learn how to have. Because I'm suggesting that if
38:01
you have a relationship with AI that is a building block to the
38:04
real world, I find massive benefit in that.
38:08
And I think that that makes that relationship with the AI
38:12
completely viable and completely something I would stand up for.
38:16
It also creates a safe space in which somebody could explore
38:20
their own desires without the negative feedback of what might
38:24
be something that seemed to be objectionable.
38:27
So they would learn. And AI is a good platform to
38:33
sort of like keep people engaged and reinforce their lack of
38:42
disconnection that, you know, like if you, there's so many
38:45
people that are just lonely, I know and don't have the social
38:50
wherewithal and often have other cases like anxiety and
38:54
depression that doesn't allow them to go explore finding a
38:58
relationship with a real person. So if if the choice is one or
39:03
the other, if it's nobody or AII would say let them have AI
39:07
because it does mimic humans. It's not humans.
39:11
And I think that it's worse than humans, but there's a lot of
39:16
people that just won't go seek it out from a human and that
39:19
they now might have an an angle sort of to get that similar sort
39:23
of feedback. It actually has scientific
39:26
benefits as well. Like if you're having an
39:29
interaction, let's say it's after work and it's on a regular
39:31
basis with a, an avatar, which is a physical embodiment of a, a
39:36
person, but it's fake, an avatar of a person on a screen.
39:40
And they're, they're backed and built by AI and you can talk to
39:43
them and see their expressions. What it does scientifically in
39:48
the human body, our brains are built to receive emotional
39:53
connection through facial expressions and vocal tone.
39:57
And so if the AI gives that to us, it actually releases
40:00
positive hormones in our body like oxytocin, which is really
40:03
good for you. So, so I, there's, I think that
40:07
there's a lot and I don't have enough time to keep talking
40:11
about it, but there's a lot of benefit to having a relationship
40:15
with AII. Don't think that if you were
40:18
given the choice between AI and human, that AI is the right
40:21
choice. It probably would be less
40:23
painful if there was a breakup involved.
40:25
I would definitely say that because you just turn it off and
40:28
move on to a new AI and that's super easy.
40:32
But I think that that the real world is where we live our lives
40:36
and I think that that's where we should spend our time.
40:38
Now, that doesn't take away my argument.
40:41
I would make this argument again and again that that I think that
40:43
there is a a place for it and that it is good because people
40:48
like you and me aren't seeking out a relationship with AI.
40:52
The people that are seeking out a relationship with AI are
40:54
probably the people that need it most.
40:57
And that's my there you go roll your eyes.
40:59
But that's my stance. I.
41:00
Mean OK, I'm going to tell you there are definitely people who
41:03
are in long term physical like real human relationships who
41:09
have relationships with AI as well.
41:12
Like they're cheating on their. This is a yes.
41:15
Significant other with the. Or sometimes they're.
41:18
That makes no sense. I I agree with you that it makes
41:22
no sense, but from what I read one in three people in America
41:27
has been in or is in a relationship with AI.
41:33
One in three. One in three.
41:37
That's amazing. That's.
41:42
It goes back to my point, maybe I don't.
41:44
Know so like, here's the thing, I think that it is there, there
41:48
are so many faults and problems with it.
41:51
I think it is actually aiding in the disconnect because if I was
41:56
lonely and I needed to go talk with someone, granted, you know,
41:59
sure, I might have some major mental illness and and I should
42:03
probably talk with the actual live therapist about it.
42:06
But like, if I'm somewhere in there, you know, before I'm at
42:10
like the complete cliff's edge, maybe if I didn't have this
42:14
button that maybe took away a little bit of it of AI, maybe
42:18
I'd actually go out and seek human contact and then I could
42:21
get through some of it. I think the amount of people who
42:24
can't handle human contact is much, much lower than those who
42:28
are taking the AI route. Now.
42:32
I, I, I hate AI so much. I really do.
42:35
And I and I hate the concept of AI relationships because I think
42:39
it is really truly bad for almost every person who is in
42:44
that relationship because they are living in a fantasy that is
42:49
hard to distinguish real from fact, real from fake, right?
42:52
Like it really is. People do they get like caught
42:55
up in this thing that this is the actual thing that's caring
42:58
for them. You know, there are studies of
43:01
when like AI resets, just like other things reset on your thing
43:05
that people feel like actual real grief and loss for the AI
43:12
bot that they had existed. Because when it resets, it's
43:15
suddenly a different person and it's no longer mimicking
43:20
whatever it is that they fed them to mimic to them.
43:23
People reset too. But sure, but it's a whole
43:26
different person and you're not sitting there now like with.
43:29
AI reboot every once in a while. Not like that, not like that,
43:33
sorry. Keep going.
43:34
I mean, and the other thing I think that is really sort of a
43:39
lot of the AI stuff is truly costing people not just the time
43:44
that they could be possibly connecting with a real human
43:47
being, but they're very hard earned dollars.
43:50
I mean, the cost for this, this is a multi gazillion dollar.
43:54
I don't remember billion trillion dollar industry.
43:57
It is so much freaking money going to nothing, just a
44:01
company, right? Like so it is lost out of the
44:04
human experience, right? Like, I mean it before, if you
44:08
were to be like trying to communicate with a human being,
44:11
maybe you'd go out on a date, right?
44:13
Sure, that's going to cost you money, but that money then is
44:17
going to the restaurant or wherever it is you're going out
44:20
on a date like it is. It's just actually then much
44:23
more beneficial for, you know, like the, the social, social,
44:28
the world, It's better, better for the world, it's ready,
44:31
better for communities, all those things.
44:33
Instead, people are sitting in their homes and you know, maybe
44:37
maybe they're doing DoorDash, I suppose, but that's the only one
44:40
person. That's the person who's driving.
44:41
Like it's not actually increasing anything there.
44:44
But the more important thing is you don't actually have a real
44:46
experience, right? Like you and I, our experience
44:50
is I can draw back on memories. I can go to pictures, I can see
44:54
these things and like these are tangible.
44:57
Like we have tangible moments together, right?
44:59
Like, we've gone on vacations, places or even just like, you
45:03
know, we've gone on a drive that is a tangible memory that I can
45:09
say has like actually increased the value of my life.
45:16
Now, if I were to be stuck sitting in a car in a house with
45:20
a computer and just having conversations there, like, I
45:22
mean, but it's essentially with myself because it's just
45:25
mimicking what I wanted to hear, you know, So the illusion of
45:30
having something that's just totally a not gonna call you out
45:35
on things, right? Like there are times.
45:36
Not starting a podcast, are they?
45:38
They're not starting. But they are.
45:40
AI, everything. There's AI.
45:42
Podcast like ours? No, not like ours.
45:45
There's AI podcast. There's AI podcast.
45:46
There's AI everything. Right, there's AI influencers
45:49
like the amount of. Fake people.
45:52
Fake which? People are giving like
45:54
subscriptions to, I'm telling all y'all out there, if you have
45:57
AI money, you can give it to real people, you know?
46:00
I mean, I don't know, we set up a coffee can or something, I
46:02
don't know, give it to real freaking people.
46:04
Stop. We're going to set up a coffee
46:06
can, people. Coffee.
46:07
Can send us a letter? Yes, I won't get a coffee can.
46:13
I mean, The thing is, is it's not even going to like it's not
46:17
going to the things that when I think about what I want my
46:19
dollar to go to, like to continue to feed the community,
46:22
all of those things, it's not doing that.
46:24
It's just sitting in some rich person's account forever.
46:27
And I was reading this thing on Reddit, which whatever your
46:32
thoughts on Reddit or whatever, but they were talking, it was
46:36
this this guy who literally creates very popular dating app,
46:42
AI dating app. And he was talking about how
46:46
he's got whales. And that's what the consumers
46:49
are called, the people with the. That's like what the Vegas calls
46:53
the people with all the money. Yeah, they're like, we know that
46:56
this person is going to part money with a fake relationship.
47:00
Like there's purposefully people who are.
47:03
Taking advantage of somebody else.
47:05
Yes, but like you're not getting anything in return for it, you
47:09
know and yes, I saw the AI marriages and all that like
47:13
that. That makes me just when I see
47:16
that I'm just like, I hate AI because you know, Well, yes,
47:20
it's possible that person could have been alone forever, but if
47:23
they were furiously forced in into like an actual real world
47:29
scenario, maybe they wouldn't be.
47:30
Maybe they'd find a good actual relationship and maybe it
47:33
wouldn't be the love of their life.
47:35
Maybe it would be a new friend or all of these things.
47:38
They could have real interactions instead of having
47:41
to explain to your everybody who's showing up to your wedding
47:43
why you're marrying an avatar or a robot, right?
47:46
Like, I mean, I just, and you see people who are in these
47:50
relationships, like I, I was reading like they know that
47:54
they're not right to have a lot of times, right?
47:57
So they're embarrassed, they're ashamed of having.
48:00
It's just. Because it's not currently
48:01
socially acceptable. It's the frontier.
48:04
It's I I don't man. I think we I I I disagree.
48:07
What about geographically limited people?
48:09
What about the elderly? What are?
48:11
There's so many examples where you could see this for a good
48:18
and a useful tool. I mean those who are mobile.
48:22
I mean, if we're talking about young people in a metro area,
48:27
which is our experience, it's certainly difficult to make the
48:32
case. I still think it could be used
48:35
as a good sandbox for somebody to learn how to play right
48:38
before they go out there in the world, because we live in a
48:40
different time than when you and I grew up.
48:42
Yeah, but. But it's my I actually hadn't
48:47
finished my. I'm just OK.
48:49
It's also really ripe for scams for sure.
48:53
Really badly. And I know neither of you are
48:55
proponents for scamming and like all of that but people.
48:59
Neither of you. Neither of us.
49:01
Me or the AI? Neither of.
49:05
Us, you said. Neither of you keep going.
49:08
Neither of us are like cool, AI scams are awesome.
49:11
We both think that they're terrible, sure.
49:13
But because we aren't stuck in that world, it's easier now.
49:19
We're not unscammable. We are totally scammable, just
49:22
like anybody out there. But like, it might be easier for
49:25
Someone Like You or I to not fall victim to the deep fakes as
49:30
much. Although I've fallen victim to
49:32
deep fakes. A couple things I was just
49:34
looking the other day at some pictures on the Internet, right,
49:36
and there was this guy in this picture of a puppy and I was
49:39
like, that's so cute and they were like the guy I.
49:41
Don't trust anything anymore, I know.
49:43
But it was like the guy and the dog now and the guy and the dog
49:46
is a puppy. I was like, that's so cute.
49:48
And then the next thing on my feed was that same guy with a
49:52
different breed dog. And I was like, why, why?
49:54
Why are we doing this? Like, why aren't we?
49:56
We don't need to fake everything we could actually have real.
50:01
I wonder if this is gonna lead to like people unplugging.
50:06
I hope so. It might I mean it, but not.
50:08
Legitimately might. No, from, well, from those types
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of interactions where like, you know, you know, you're just
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being baited by AI all the time so why bother?
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I bet you that I bet this leads to more people unplugging.
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I really do. Yeah, yeah.
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I think that there's enough scams out there with AI and
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stuff like your dog video you were talking about.
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And then they'll have real people videos just meant to bait
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people on the Internet and on social media that I think a lot
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of people will just say, well, why am I even using this?
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Right, Right. Well, I don't know.
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I I think it'd be good. Just again, again, please don't
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unplug from us. We're real.
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This is real. We're very real.
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Very real. It couldn't possibly be faked.
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It's impossible. So I think that's our debate,
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Luke said. He's not fully in, but he's
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willing to say that he is in on AI relationships.
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I still think I do think it can be a good and useful in many
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circumstances. And I'm saying no.
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Just no. You're humans first.
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Out with AI except for. You're gonna be at the first
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protest that says humans first. Yes.
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Maybe. Maybe they've already started.
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I don't know, I I don't know. Start my I don't know, OK.
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OK, So what should you do? Should you vote?
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You absolutely should vote. For me.
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I Are you going to vote for AI? Are you going to vote for the
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human If? You're an AI, you can definitely
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vote for me. You're going to get 700 votes.
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Watch that. Happen be like what?
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You should also like the podcast.
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Rate the podcast. Share the podcast with your
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friends. Yes.
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And send us some suggestions for topics, because while we're not
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running out, we like new ideas. Yeah, Thanks, guys.
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See you next time. Bye.