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Moving Millions: Wealth, Worth and Building Abundance · The MillionaireByMorning‘s Podcast

• Rashad Thirlkill: Hello, hello, hello, and welcome back to the Millionaire by Morning Podcast, where we talk about the mindset, strategies, and relationships that help successful people turn their expertise and experience into greater income, ownership, and legacy. Today's guest is someone who understands that building wealth isn't simply about making more money. It's about knowing what to do with it once you make it. Dr. Terry Alford is an insurance broker, retirement income specialist. Estate planning educator, entrepreneur, speaker, and CEO of TNA Financial Group. She is also the founder and host of the Attract Abundance Conference in Gala, an experience designed to help business women increase their income, influence, and impact while positioning themselves to retire wealthy. But Terry's story is just as compelling as her expertise. Before becoming a full-time entrepreneur, she was an educator and principal. Today she serves business owners and entrepreneurs across Multiple states, helping them think differently about building, growing, protecting, and ultimately transferring wealth. And her 2026 Attract Abundance Conference is built around a powerful idea: moving millions, not just in revenue, but through the business, relationships, and legacies we create. Terry, welcome to Millionaire by Morning. DR. TERRI ALFORD: Hello, thank you for having me. Rashad Thirlkill: Thank you for being here. You could have been anywhere in the world today, and you're here with myself and my audience. So for that, we are very grateful. And I would like to jump right into it. So let's start with the women, the woman before the wealth strategist. You went from educational leadership to entrepreneurship. What happened in your life that made you realize it was time to build something of DR. TERRI ALFORD: Ooh, that's a wonderful question. So I have a background in finance. I moved to Dallas through a program called Teach for America. And so we had a two-year commitment to teach. Well, I fell in love with education, and I believe once an educator, always an educator. And so I became an educator and an instructional coach, a principal, and there was a time in which I felt uncomfortable. with where I was and where I knew God wanted me to be. So there was this tension there, right? And whenever you're getting ready to go into your next season, you are going to be uncomfortable, uncomfortable in a way in which you have to literally pause and do something unthinkable. And so I actually took a break from education, break, quote unquote. And I have been breaking ever since then. So this was towards the end of 2019. I said I'm going to take a break. And see where God wants to lead me next because I know I am going to be going into another area. I'm going into another dimension, but I don't know what that's going to look like. But I was already building my business on the side. I was making additional income because at that time my whole goal was debt-free by 30, debt-free by 30. I want to be debt-free by 30. So I used my business to make extra money so that I can. Pay off debts. Well, again, I took a break, or at least what I thought was a break. And then a few months later, the pandemic happened. The entire country shut down. My mother became ill, my father became ill. They're both cancer free at this time, but they both became ill at in the heat of the pandemic. And so at that time, going into a brick and mortar business or working in education, being around a lot. people was just not a smart thing to do. And so I worked my business virtually. I grew my business virtually. And in 2020, I began to see that entrepreneurship was the way for me. My last role gave me the flexibility to be my own boss in a sense. But when I became an entrepreneur, I started seeing I had more time freedom. I had more energy freedom. I was able to be there for family and I was able to be there for myself and be able to figure out what I wanted to do next in life. And so in 2020, I turned 30 and I said, okay, well, it's ironic that I want to be debt free by 30, but now I want to purchase a home. And so I decided to purchase a home because my mother and father are in different states. And so I wanted to have a place that they could come to. If I needed to take care of them. And so I went into bed again. I purchased the home. But then when I purchased the home, I said, wow, this was a really interesting process to go through as a self-employed business owner. More people need to know about this transition. So I learned a lot. I learned about how to build a brand, how to build a business, how to learn to add learn about taxes. I'm not a tax professional, but I learned the hard way that as you're making more money, you have to plan for taxes. I learned how to build communities, build relationships, and then ultimately be able to use my expertise as another way to bring in more money. And so again, both of them are debt free. I'm super excited about it. And here I am five years later, still self-employed. I have not had to have a job or go back into The workforce as an employee since I left in 2019. So that's the one to make a long story short, I think I gave you all the highlights. Rashad Thirlkill: Okay, that's a great story. All right. DR. TERRI ALFORD: Well, thank you. Rashad Thirlkill: That's what we're talking about. A lot of people take that journey, but then have to step back into whatever career that they were doing for just a minute to get it right, right? But that's a because you didn't have to do that. That is a testament to just really getting out there and get it. But let me ask you this was there a time that you considered it? Was there a scary moment that You were like, I don't know if this is gonna work out for me. Or were you just gung ho jumped out of the the the nest and decided to grow wings? DR. TERRI ALFORD: No, I mean, many business owners will tell you there are several seasons in which you feel like you just want to burn it down and start all over. And when I went into full time entrepreneurship again, I didn't know I was going into full time entrepreneurship. I thought I was taking a break and I was gonna go back, but I never went back into the workforce, and so I was afraid, I was scared, I was unsure. But I was confident enough to say, okay, when I was working my job, I was able to make enough money to where my part time income in my business and my full time income from my job was the same. So I was like, okay, I am willing to bet on myself and say if I work my business full time, then I should at least be able to make what I'm making on my full time business and be able to ultimately. Grow it, double it, triple it. I just need to be disciplined. And so I didn't go into full-time entrepreneurship not knowing that I didn't, not knowing if I had a proof of concept. I had a proof of concept. I was making check I was making money and I was getting paychecks consistently enough to know that even though it was a leap of faith, it was a calculated risk that I took. I took a calculated risk and I did bet on myself. And so was I afraid? Yes, because I didn't. Come from a family of of entrepreneurs. I didn't come from a family of people who have said, Well, this is how I've built this business. Here are things that you want to avoid. These are things that you want to do. So I've I took a lot of risk. I paid for a lot of coaching. I paid for mentorship. Like I I used the money that I made to reinvest into myself and to reinvest into my business. Would I do it all over again? Yes. May I have chosen some different coaches? No, because everyone that I learned from taught me something different. Everyone that I learned from, they they taught me something that I needed to hear in that season. And it gave me a different level of understanding of the woman that I am becoming. Because remember again, I didn't have a the desire to go into full-time entrepreneurship yet. I thought maybe one day I'll be a full-time business owner in my 40s. Maybe I would retire early and do it in my 50s. I did not know at the age of 30 I would be a full-time entrepreneur, building an agency, building a business, building a brand. I I I did not foresee that for my life. But that's why God was showing me that where I was, like the time was up. He's like, time is up. It's time to go. It's time to go. It's time to go now. And like, well, what is it going to look like? Just move. I got you. And here I am. Rashad Thirlkill: Here you are. Here you are. And so what did you have to, what did you have to unlearn when reinventing yourself? When when becoming an entrepreneur, if you're a person with a nine to five mindset and DR. TERRI ALFORD: Mm-hmm. Rashad Thirlkill: then going into entrepreneurship, there are some things that you can't take with you. What are some of the things that you had to unlearn? DR. TERRI ALFORD: I had to unlearn the idea that I would get paid for just the work that I do. And I had to unlearn the idea that there should be a ceiling to how much I should get paid for the work that I do. The reason I say it that way. It's because many entrepreneurs go into entrepreneurship and they're thinking that everything has to be transactional. And just like on your job, you get paid, you get paid a salary or you get paid hourly for the work that you do. But truth be told, you're getting paid for the expertise that you bring. You're getting paid for the problems that you solve. And because you are able to solve bigger problems, you are able to be able to make so much more money in less time. See, before I became a full-time entrepreneur, I was thinking, okay, I have to work days, nights, and weekends and overtime and have multiple strings of income in multiple different industries in order to be where I want to be financially. But I had to unlearn that, and I had to learn that through investing in myself, investing in my own understanding, my own education, and me knowing what I know now, my brilliance is worth millions. So it does not matter that I may be younger than the next financial expert. It does not matter that this person that I'm speaking to, who is my client or who is my prospect, they may have 20 or 30 years on me. I bring a level of expertise that's going to solve a big problem for them. And it is okay for me to get paid really well to do what I do for them. It may take me three hours to get paid, what someone may get paid in a week's time. Or in a month's time. But because I solved a bigger problem, I am able to get paid at that level. So I had to unlearn, okay, what I do is tied into the hours and my paycheck is tied into what I do. It's not just tied into what I do, it's tied into what I know and how I serve and what I share and how I'm able to save people money, how I'm able to protect their assets, how I'm able to. Help them not make expensive mistakes and shorten the learning curve. That's worth millions. That's not worth an hourly pay. That's not worth a salary. That is worth so much more. So that's one of the things I had to unlearn coming into the woman that I am today. Rashad Thirlkill: Definitely. Thank you for sharing that. So is that something that you learn it just, you know, it was a a light that went off, or was that a part of coaching? And someone had to kind of sit you down and say, listen, let me tell you about yourself. This is what it this is what you're really worth. DR. TERRI ALFORD: It's been a combination of things. So I I love podcasts. I'm excited to be on this podcast. And I hope that people find this to be educational, inspirational, motivational, and all those other things. I listen to podcasts and I always listen to people who are ahead of me in business and in areas that I want to go into. I love going to conferences. I go to conferences, seminars, webinars. I've paid for coaching. I've paid for mentorship. I've gotten into masterminds. I intentionally get into spaces with people who have gone before me, but I also make sure that I take care of my own mental health. And so some of the things that I've had to learn is has been through therapy. Has been through therapy, truth, truth be told. I grew up with the mindset that. So whom much is given, much is required, and we should serve and we should do great things for ministry. There's a difference between what you do for ministry and what you do for a fee. There is something called an honorarium. And if someone really honors what you bring to the table, they will honor you with an honorarium. I had to shift my perspective though, because I thought if you if you have a good heart, if you have a big heart, if you want to help a lot of people, you should do a lot of things for free. So there was a time when I was educating for free, when I was giving away so much expertise and so many resources and helping people build things for free. I do not mind serving. I do have a servant heart, but I had to understand if I am always focused on everyone else being able to grow and expand and maximize their potentials, but I'm not doing that for myself. Then I'm doing myself a disservice and I'm doing the people that I serve a disservice because I can show up as a better version of myself when I make sure that I'm taken care of first. And so my time is money. Your time is money. Our time is money. And as I began to get into those spaces, go to those conferences, I'm like, what? You got paid what? Like Myron Golden is one of the guys that I listen to, right? So my and golden he has an experience where you can speak to him for a hundred thousand dollars Hundred thousand dollars? Well, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. People come to you to listen to your expertise, your insight, the intel that you get from God on high, and they pay a hundred thousand dollars. Well, why am I giving away my goods? Why am I casting my pearls before swine and not charging a fee? And the reason I say casting my pearls before swine because What I realized was a lot of the time that I spent in the beginning was I would spend time with people that I felt like needed to know what I had to offer. I'm like, they need me. They need me. So as entrepreneurs, sometimes with us who are service-based, we go to what is considered low-hanging fruit. I'm just gonna go to all the people that need me, right? And we want to be a a junior in high school when we go to those people. But we need to go into rooms where we're in the second grade. Because when we go into the rooms where we're in the second grade, then we are speaking less, then we are learning more. We can't always be the smartest person in the room. We have to be in the room with other people who can teach us other things. Now, do I have an offer that's $100,000? No. But what I have experienced from listening to those podcasts, from being around those people, is that they understand that in order for you to have transformation, there needs to be some type Of transaction. People are going to give you their time, they're going to give you their energy. They're going to give you their resources when they feel like you are worth it. And if you charge too low, or even if you give away everything for free, some people are going to overlook you because they're going to feel like you're not an expert. Because other experts, if other experts charge a certain amount and you are way at the bottom because you're like, well, I'm going to be the, I'm going to be the cheapest. Ex experts don't want to work with the cheapest. Affluent people don't want to look for the best deal. They want to look for the expert, the best person that is going to save them money, that's going to maximize their money, that's going to save them time, that's going to give them the greatest peace of mind. It's not about the best deal. It's about how you make them feel. Did I answer your question? Rashad Thirlkill: Yes, ma'am. Yes, ma'am, you did. Not only did you answer my question, you have solidified something that has been on my mind here lately. And I'm glad that you came on the show today because just this morning I woke up and I said, you know what? I I'm I gotta start charging for being on my podcast. I have to, because simply because I enjoy the conversations, but When when I've begun to ask people certain questions and I see what they want from being on a podcast, and for me to be able to service them correctly, to have really nice equipment, to have, you know, where I can promote it, how it's supposed to be promoted, where I could pay a producer to get it edited, to do all of these things, I was like, you know what? Yeah, I'm I I I I have to. And yeah, so I I understand what you're saying with that, exactly. DR. TERRI ALFORD: Yes, you gotta focus on your return on investment. That's something and of course I haven't just arrived as this person. I've had nights and weekends where I prayed, where I made decisions that weren't the best decisions, where I was hard on myself and I'm like, I shouldn't have done this, I shouldn't have done that. Like I had to go to therapy so that well, I had to go to therapy for a number of reasons, but I went to therapy so I can actually l unlearn how to speak. Unlearn how to speak negatively to myself because I I had a lot of negative self-talk and I didn't I didn't realize that I had negative self-talk. I would say, you shouldn't have done this. You you that was dumb. Why'd you do that? Like, I didn't realize I had those those things that were causing me to have even more limited beliefs. Like, as other people are like, my gosh, you're amazing. They'll give me compliments, and then I would say, yeah, but I I didn't do this right, right? They may your hair looks nice. Girl, I did it myself. I I I should have got up and like I I wouldn't accept compliments well. And so I'm sharing with you, I had to learn to have better self-care, better self-talk, and to realize I am worth the investment. And I have to make a return on my investment. So, yes, paying for your podcast makes sense because. It costs time, it costs money, it costs energy. There are other things. Yes, there are other places that I could have been in the world on today, but there are other places that you could have been in the world on today, too. So I appreciate you for giving me the opportunity to share on your platform. And I thank you for opening up the doors for us to share our expertise and giving people an opportunity to be inspired throughout the days. But there is absolutely nothing wrong with charging. play that there's a a pay to play thing like I was on a podcast with a guy and he has a huge platform like he is huge on YouTube. He he he does really well. his business just hit 10 million. I was in his mastermind as well. Well I could tell you one thing if I wasn't in his mastermind I wouldn't have been on his podcast. Right? 'Cause you gotta pay to play. So it Rashad Thirlkill: Right. DR. TERRI ALFORD: There's nothing wrong with that. Sometimes you do give people an opportunity to do things for an exchange or an opportunity. But I I again I've learned that through being in other spaces and seeing how other people do things and realizing, okay, this is for ministry, this is for the business. There's a difference. There is a difference. Rashad Thirlkill: I like that. I like how you put that. That's definite. so you are, I've met you in person. You are a bubbly person, you know, you just well spoken. And I would like to say that, what is it, personality, like a personality type of person. DR. TERRI ALFORD: Yeah. Rashad Thirlkill: So with that, have have you always been that way, or did you kind of because of the industry you're in, it takes, you know, head up, chest out type of personality. So did you learn that or is that something that you were already natural, naturally talented? DR. TERRI ALFORD: that's a good question. Would you believe that I've been an introvert most of my life? Rashad Thirlkill: No, no I wouldn't. DR. TERRI ALFORD: An introvert. So here's the ironic thing. Even in school, I was quiet, except in the classroom. Now, I was in the front of the room, most classes, because they would I put us in assigned seats according to our last name. My last name starts with an A, right? And I can remember being in my, I think it was algebra two. I was in the 10th grade in algebra two, and I'm raising my hand. Like I was that student that raised her hand, answered the question, said, Hey, how about we solve the problem this way? And I remember the day when my teacher said, Does anybody else have an answer besides here? Can anybody else solve the problem? This problem besides I I'm I really am tired of looking at Terry raise her hand. And I remember it being like, well, okay, well, I'll just be quiet. I guess she don't want to listen to me. I remember the next nine weeks, she rearranged the room, she put me in the back of the classroom, and I was like, in the literally the back corner. I was like, Okay, so she wants me to be quiet. Now I don't think she liked me, but that's another question, another story for another day. And I was like, well, she wants me to be quiet, okay. There are other situations that happened in my childhood in which I was maybe not on purpose, but I was kind of taught to be quiet. So I've always had a lot to say, and I've always had a lot to give, but I had to learn to wait, to be asked, to be spoken to. So I was taught to be quiet, like you're talking too much, you're doing too much, you're sharing too much, you're you're shining too much, right? So I went through a period of time in which I was like, well, shoot, I'll just be quiet there, right? But when I became an educator and I started becoming an advocate, then I start speaking and speaking more and speaking more. And the thing that I thought was a disadvantage was one of the things that became my advantage. When I moved to Texas, I was like, my goodness, everybody is well spoken. I feel like I sound like a country southern bell. But would you believe that people love this voice? They look It and so I have learned over time to be myself. I started getting into spaces, I start speaking more as a teacher, I started leading more behind the scenes, and then ultimately when I became an entrepreneur, I started leading in front of the scenes. I I got into the industry that I'm in now, and I remember there was a guy, he he goes by Dr. Zero. He goes by Dr. Jake now, but I always call him Taylor. And so Taylor had this larger-than-life personality. He would always speak well. And so I started spending time with him. This is years ago. We both were teachers at the time. And I was like, man, he speaks with so much confidence. And he pretty much just pushed me out there and was like, go talk to that person. Go do this presentation. Go do this. Go do that. And I was like, okay. And so from That and we we both started in financial services together. And so from that experience and then also teaching, and then moving from being a teacher to an instructional coach and having to lead professional development sessions and then having to lead the school. And then the school that I led was a private school. So it was also a business. So we had to recruit students. I had to hire, I had to do so many presentations, I had to be in other spaces just over time. It built my confidence and I became unapologetically mean. Now I do I still do go into some spaces and be a sponge, but just with my personality and my voice, most people are going to recognize me. Like I'm going to a a a what do you call it? A conference next week. And it is a an annuity producer conference. And I'm excited to go to it. I can't wait to sit in the front of the room. Every speaker looks nothing like me. Every speaker, every speaker is a Caucasian white male. Most of them look like they're about in their 60s. And I'm excited. And I'm gonna be in a room and I'm gonna be in the space. And spaces like that used to make me feel uncomfortable. But now I know again what I thought was my disadvantage is my advantage because I am there. I am there to learn how to be better at what I do because I know that the their clients and the people that they're serving. Are not necessarily the people that I'm called to serve. I also know because they're 20 to 30 years older than I am, they've been through some things that I haven't been through yet. So I am paying to play, I am paying to be in that room. And if they ask a question, I'm it I'm raising my hand. Right? If they need to volunteer, I'm raising my hand. I'm getting on the stage because I want to experience it all. But it it it came through again, being around people. Who are going to get you out of your comfort zone. And then if you are in your comfort zone, you have to be around people that are not intimidated by you, that are not jealous of you, that are not going to tell you you're doing too much. If you're doing too much, you probably are in that circle, in that space. But over Rashad Thirlkill: Right. DR. TERRI ALFORD: here, we want you to shine brightly. We want you to show up in your best threads at the Attract Abundance Conference. We want you on the camera. We want you on the photos. We want to promote you in your business. We want in our community. I want people to see how amazing you are. Because I know, again, I have an abundant mindset. So I'm not going to take anything from you, Rashad, by being myself. And you're not going to take anything from me by being yourself. Your people are your people, and my people are my people. Rashad Thirlkill: Right. DR. TERRI ALFORD: But again, I had to learn that. Rashad Thirlkill: Wow. That's very important. Everything that you mentioned. especially the guy that you mentioned, an accountability partner. You DR. TERRI ALFORD: Mm-hmm. Rashad Thirlkill: know, someone that's like you say, man, it's okay if you shine. I we'll shine right together. So that is very important and getting in the room, getting in rooms. And so while we're discussing that, let's talk about attract about this. DR. TERRI ALFORD: Yeah. Rashad Thirlkill: What made you decide that you would create this conference rather than simply continuing to serve your clients one on one? DR. TERRI ALFORD: Whew, that's a good question. That's a good question. And I tell everyone who asks questions about doing a live event or a large-scale conference, it's going to take a lot out of you. Okay. It's going to take a lot out of you. This is not some money-making machine where you're just gonna become a millionaire. Like, no, it it's going to take some something out of you. And so I have a community called Business Women Building Wealth. And with this community, I educate women on how to up-level their mindset, their money, and their movement. And so with our community, we were doing luncheons once a quarter. And the luncheons were four hours. Well again, as you continue to go to other spaces and spend more time with other people, I realized I'm like, well, I'm touching on these things, but I'm not really getting an opportunity to go deep with the transformations. I'm not really getting the opportunity to change perspectives. And I was already having people that were coming from out of town to come to a four-hour luncheon. So I was like, well, I think it's time for us to go ahead and move to towards the conference. So I thought it was going to be the Business Women Building Wealth Conference, but at the last Business Women Building Wealth luncheon, I was on stage, I was speaking about marketing and attraction, marketing and attraction, attracting abundance Came out of my mouth. And as I was speaking, I was like, that's it. That's it. That's what I do. Because people will ask, how do you build your business? How do you buy leads? what what do you do? I don't run paid ads. I haven't bought any leads, like it's all organic. I attract abundance. And so I brought forth the attract abundance conference in 2024. To give women an opportunity, business women to learn more about how to attract more abundance. And then what do you do with the abundance that you attract? And so the first year, our theme was mindset, money, and movement, the core values for business women building wealth. And then after the first year, it was good, but I was like, okay, I it it's time to take it up another level. I gave awards at my first conference, but I wanted to bless people and give people their flowers who've helped me in my business. And I also want to encourage those who are a part of my network to keep going for. So I decided to bring forth the gala. So last year we added the gala as a component to the conference and we celebrated people and we had a good time. We were partying. Not only did we do that, but we dug even deeper. And so last year we spoke not just about how to make more money, but how to position ourselves to retire wealthy. The type of mindset you need to have to retire wealthy. The type of accounts we had someone speak about government contracts. We had someone speak about real estate investing. We had someone speak about operations and your back office and your systems. We spoke about business accession planning. And then I realized as I continue to move more millions of dollars for my clients, I realized that we need to move More people and we are all called to move more people. Last year was the first year that I had someone come to my event from outside of the country. And this woman came all the way from the UK. And I was like, You're coming to my event from the U. Said, wait a minute, we're we are global because I love taking trips. I love going out of the country. And so I started connecting with people in other countries. And she has an organization that's called Brown Skin Girls Network. We are collaborating with them for an event in 2027, as well as the She Boss Global Network. And so I was like, you know what? We really are called to move millions. And because I don't just attract People who are okay with focusing on themselves. I attract movers, leaders, shakers, innovators, people who are called to serve other people are moving millions. It's not just about moving millions of dollars, but we're moving millions of people across the globe. So this year, our thing is moving millions. And at the Attract Abundance Conference, we are going to speak about. Mindset. We are going to speak about money. We're going to speak about movement. We're going to speak about marketing. I'm going to do the piece on educ education on estate planning, making sure you have trust funds and trust fund babies and million-dollar babies and all of those things. I'm also going to speak about business accession planning. But we have Yolanda Churchwell who's coming in as a system solutionist. We have Constance Daniel, who's going to speak about being a tax strategist. And how to make sure as you're making your millions, you're not having to pay more in taxes than you need to, right? Tax planning. We have an expert that's speaking about AI. We have an expert that is speaking about real estate investing and so many other things. But this year I'm really excited that we're having a health component because as a business coach, I've coached women who are in the health sector. And I've been convicted myself by focusing mostly on my business and putting myself last. So we're also focusing on the health side. So your health is your wealth. What good is it to have all of this stuff, all this money, and not be able to enjoy it because of your health? So we have an expert that's going to speak about how to eliminate sugar addictions, right? And how being addicted to sugar can cause you not to attract abundance or be able to operate the best as you possibly can. How many of us have seen these? Celebrities and these people that we look up to struggle with addictions. Now, my addiction may be sugar, your addiction may be something else, but that addiction is causing you not to be the best version of yourself. And that addiction is rooted into something else that you got to dig deep into and uncover and dig up and dig out in order for you to attract your next level of abundance. So if you Would be so kind and give me the opportunity to share with the ladies and gentlemen. You can go to a trackabundance conference.com and get in the room. Get into the room in Frisco, Frisco, Texas, because it's a two-day experience for general admission guests. It's a three-day experience for VIP guests. And it and you can buy a ticket to the gala by itself, but the entire experience is a VIP experience because I want people to come in and feel abundant. I want you to feel taken care of. I want you to feel like this is the beginning of the rest of your life because you have been in this space. You may meet your next business partner. You may meet your next business coach. You may meet your next accountability partner. You're going to meet Jamal Roberts if you come to the conference because Jamal Roberts is a guy who attracted abundance. I spoke about him last year and this year he's coming and performing for us. He won American Idol last year. He was on the tour with Brandy and Monica last year up into this year. He just won a Stellar Award. But two years ago, this time, you know where he was? In a classroom teaching. This man attracted abundance and has changed his entire, his entire life based on the fact that he attracted abundance and he did not let nose keep him. From going to his next level. He tried to be on Sunday Best and win that. He didn't win Sunday Best because God needed him to be on a bigger platform. They needed him to be on a bigger stage. There are people who saw him on American Idol that would have never been introduced to him had he stayed on Sunday Best. No, not I'm not knocking Sunday Best in B E T, but I'm saying we even speak about how sometimes we have to go on a bigger platform. It's not working where you are because you got to get it to a bigger stage. A bigger network, a bigger platform, because that's where you're going to be able to attract your next level of abundance. So get your tickets to the Attract Abundance conference now. Rashad Thirlkill: There you go. Man, sounds sounds very exciting. So you sound like a follow that anyone listening would want to follow. Where can they find you and follow you on social media? DR. TERRI ALFORD: Great question. So I have LinkedIn, Facebook, and I also have Instagram. I spend the majority of my time though on Facebook and LinkedIn. I go live there. I also have an Attract Abundance and Retire Wealthy podcast. It is on YouTube. You can find me at Dr. Terry Alford. Terry spelled two Rs and one I. And if you have any questions, feel free to just send me a DM or you can send a text to 903-224-6151-2100. I go live quite a bit. We have a few videos as well. But if you just wanna have a one-on-one conversation, just send me a text and we can talk. I like to talk. Rashad Thirlkill: right. Dr. Terry Alfred. That's this has been awesome. This is one of actually one of those interviews that could go on and on. But I'm going to let you get some of your time back. I want to thank you for coming on today and giving us all of these gems and jewels. And if anyone is out there listening, give her a follow, man. And the type of rooms that you need to be in, she is creating. That's going to be October 23rd through the 25th in Frisco, Texas. The Attract Abundance Conference in Gala. Show up if you can. Show up if you dare. If you dare to change your life, show up. How about that? Let's give it a challenge. Well, Dr. Terry, thank you for coming on once again. And to anyone that's out there listening, remember the motto, keep making moves, make money, and make meaningful memories. Until next time, we'll see you later.