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Toward individualistic reproduction: And the men will get feminist sex bots! · Honey Badger Radio

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  Speaker 1: And we're live. Hello everybody, and welcome to Honey Badger Radio.
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  Speaker 1: My name is Brian. I'm here with Allison, and this
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  Speaker 1: is maintaining frame toward individualistic reproduction and the men will
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  Speaker 1: get feminist sexpots where we're going to be continuing to
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  Speaker 1: look at this paper from Cambridge University Press. I thought
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  Speaker 1: I would just share you guys the visual for that,
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  Speaker 1: so you see that we are looking at an actual paper.
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  Speaker 1: But since there's no images here, I'm just putting this
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  Speaker 1: up as like a place holding image. So Allison, do
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  Speaker 1: you want to do the things?
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  Speaker 2: And I shall, okay, So just just before I do
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  Speaker 2: the things, the summary of this paper is that they
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  Speaker 2: the left has discovered that the rate birth rate burb
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  Speaker 2: rate not enough burbs. Guys, go get the buget rates.
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  Speaker 2: The birth rates the burb rates are going down and
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  Speaker 2: this might be catastrophic because they might run out of
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  Speaker 2: dead people who vote no. This is this is a problem,
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  Speaker 2: and of course their solution is more communism, because why not,
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  Speaker 2: that's basically it. So we basically their solution is that
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  Speaker 2: we should pay women to be single mothers, even though
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  Speaker 2: this is actually not proven to increase the birth rate,
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  Speaker 2: and in fact is decreasing the birth rate. The more
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  Speaker 2: single women we have, the fewer babies we have, So
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  Speaker 2: that's not only on the surface. Is this something that
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  Speaker 2: won't fix the problem, It'll only make bureaucrats richer. It's
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  Speaker 2: something that will make bureaucrats richer at the expense of
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  Speaker 2: everyone else. So we don't want to do that. And
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  Speaker 2: then the solution, they say, since this will inevitably marginalize
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  Speaker 2: men further from their families, because women want men who contribute.
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  Speaker 2: And if you raise the bar, if the government takes
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  Speaker 2: from men to give to women, then you've raised the
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  Speaker 2: bar of minimum contribution that that men can give to
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  Speaker 2: their families in order to be eligible for the women
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  Speaker 2: who want families. Okay, let me see if I can
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  Speaker 2: try that again. In English, when the government gives women money,
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  Speaker 2: they raise how much money they want from a man
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  Speaker 2: to be in a relationship with him. Yes, okay, that
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  Speaker 2: does not change. Now, maybe we could change it, maybe
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  Speaker 2: we could shift that. That might be something to look into. However,
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  Speaker 2: nobody is doing that because that requires the the pat
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  Speaker 2: taboo thing, which is blaming women. Nobody can do that.
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  Speaker 2: Nobody can situate responsibility for women. So that's off the table.
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  Speaker 2: So their proposal is to increase the amount of money
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  Speaker 2: government gives women from men's tax dollars, thus increasing the
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  Speaker 2: rate of family like the destruction of family formation, which
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  Speaker 2: won't increase the birth rate of course. And but but
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  Speaker 2: but they have a for men artificial wombs and sex spots, guys,
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  Speaker 2: and they totally won't program those sex spots to be feminists.
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  Speaker 2: And I totally won't, I mean totally will Okay, I
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  Speaker 1: Initial facts, I'm sorry, go ahead.
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  Speaker 2: Did you have any initial thoughts? I don't even recall.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it's I think we're just because this is
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  Speaker 2: not really a study, like, I don't recall this having
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  Speaker 2: much of a methodology. It was just sort of like
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  Speaker 2: an essay.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, they're just basically making a proposal to proposal.
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  Speaker 1: I think, well, let me see.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I can look at it right now.
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  Speaker 2: I can. I can give you a rough estimate where
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  Speaker 2: I think we stopped based on what I think we
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  Speaker 2: dealt with, but he'd probably be better for you to
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  Speaker 2: take a look. I mean, in the meantime, I can,
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  Speaker 2: I can lay out my thesis.
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  Speaker 1: And jump to So I think they're okay, let's get
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  Speaker 1: to the three sexual revolutions that freed women. How about
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  Speaker 1: that as a start.
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  Speaker 2: Oh right, we were covering that last time, and I
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  Speaker 2: was explaining how all of this was balderdash.
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  Speaker 1: We did.
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  Speaker 2: We not get through the whole thing. Need to go
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  Speaker 2: through it again.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if you finished it. After that comes
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  Speaker 1: men's reduce utility to women, So we could also look
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  Speaker 1: at that.
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  Speaker 2: Themes reduced utility to women.
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  Speaker 1: Guys, Yeah, men's reduce utility to women.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, Well, what they mean is that the government takes
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  Speaker 2: from men's tax dollars and gives it to women. And
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  Speaker 2: also our society has constructed this non meritocracy escalator for
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  Speaker 2: women that starts from kindergarten all the way up to
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  Speaker 2: getting a job. All right, that's what they mean. We
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  Speaker 2: are less reliant because again, the bureaucracy has constructed it
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  Speaker 2: so that it takes stuff from men and gives it
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  Speaker 2: to women. It's not that women are lesson or reliant.
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  Speaker 2: It's that bureaucrats have gone to the process and obscure, obscation, obscuificated.
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  Speaker 1: Obscut okay, sated.
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  Speaker 2: You see, there's a os fuse skated.
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  Speaker 1: That's ok, it's fine, it's fine.
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  Speaker 2: There's a stop there that I will never comprehend. I
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  Speaker 2: think it's like it's not a glottal stop and some
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  Speaker 2: kind of stop.
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  Speaker 1: Obscuse skated, ob few skated.
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  Speaker 2: Ob fuse skated, all right, So they've obfuscated where the
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  Speaker 2: money and the support is coming from. So now women
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  Speaker 2: think it comes from government. But as you know, if
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  Speaker 2: you've watched this channel for any length of time, we
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  Speaker 2: know where it comes from. It comes from men. So no,
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  Speaker 2: women are not unreliant on men. Communism in aomen anarcho capital,
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  Speaker 2: So everything's communism to me, my channel probably communism if
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  Speaker 2: I think about it too hard. So communism has contructed
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  Speaker 2: constructed this obfuscation of where this has come from. Right,
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  Speaker 2: there's no there's no imaginary third group of people that's
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  Speaker 2: producing the stuff that women suit. There's two groups, plus
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  Speaker 2: a bunch of subgroups that are not particularly relevant when
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  Speaker 2: it comes to text codes. And the one group is men,
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  Speaker 2: and that group is still where women are being supported from. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: shall I continue?
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  Speaker 1: Yes? So am I going to read I'll read Men's
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  Speaker 1: reduced utility to women? Then okay, while it might be uncomfortable.
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  Speaker 1: It's crucial to acknowledge that female emancipation required a return
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  Speaker 1: to the marginalization of the least sought after men. Male
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  Speaker 1: marginalization here denotes the exclusion of men from pair bonding
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  Speaker 1: and reproduction. Since the first sexual Revolution around twelve hundred
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  Speaker 1: had imposed lifelong monogamy, Westerners had lived in societies with
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  Speaker 1: exceptionally strong pair bonding egalitarianism. According to Heinrich twenty twenty,
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  Speaker 1: a high proportion of men could secure a mate, which
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  Speaker 1: had not been common for our species. We have around
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  Speaker 1: twice as many female.
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  Speaker 2: What what Why do they put it that way? Because
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  Speaker 2: the other way is also just as viable, Just as
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  Speaker 2: many women could secure a mate, a long term mate.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, isn't that funny?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're just it. And I say that because I
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  Speaker 2: went on a long little rabbit hole researching this paper,
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  Speaker 2: and I looked at what was going on in marriage
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  Speaker 2: and like the Actually what I looked at is all
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  Speaker 2: of the conversation around women's independence, and so I was
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  Speaker 2: looking at you know, at the time, middle aged professions
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  Speaker 2: were dominated by guilds. So I ended up looking at
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  Speaker 2: the situation for women in guilds. And what I found
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  Speaker 2: was really interesting because there was the possibility of women
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  Speaker 2: having apprentice ships and journeymanships, but they generally didn't if
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  Speaker 2: they had marriage prospects. And that wasn't like a thing like, oh, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I'll only do this for you, No, it was literally
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  Speaker 2: they would prefer to have prospects because it was better
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  Speaker 2: to marry a man who had already gone through the
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  Speaker 2: process of becoming an apprentice and a journeyman and then
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  Speaker 2: had was you know, had gained guills in order to
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  Speaker 2: operate and marry him and work with him to establish
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  Speaker 2: a business so that she would be doing like the
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  Speaker 2: customer's facing side. Then it would to go through all
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  Speaker 2: of that herself, was the woman apparently, or at least
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  Speaker 2: entirely probably that was the woman's preferred option. Okay, there's
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  Speaker 2: something interesting. It happened. There's a bunch of career stuff
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  Speaker 2: that occurred in like the fifteen hundreds, and the guilds
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  Speaker 2: started to restrict who could operate under their license, and
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  Speaker 2: so they started to restrict the ability of widows to
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  Speaker 2: operate under their license or women to be granted masterships.
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  Speaker 2: And what's interesting is that the pattern, the pattern of
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  Speaker 2: resistance to this this was because there wasn't enough to
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  Speaker 2: go around for various economic reasons, there wasn't enough work
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  Speaker 2: to go around, so they had to start restricting it.
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  Speaker 2: How many people could be operating in this professional capacity.
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  Speaker 2: And what was interesting this is specifically tailoring. That's for
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  Speaker 2: whatever reason, Taylor was huge, and also there's a lot
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  Speaker 2: a lot of research on that particular. What was interesting
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  Speaker 2: is that there was a pattern in how the women
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  Speaker 2: restrict from actually fought the restrictions. They did not fight
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  Speaker 2: the restrictions of operating directly, so for example, widow's taking
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  Speaker 2: over her husband's shop and then offering it herself, they
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  Speaker 2: didn't fight the guild's restrictions on that. They fought the
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  Speaker 2: guild's restrictions on whether or not a woman could bequeath
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  Speaker 2: a master like he. She would be working with her husband,
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  Speaker 2: her husband eyes he was a master in the trade,
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  Speaker 2: and she would be able to bequeath the course of
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  Speaker 2: the shop and the mastership to the next man she married.
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  Speaker 2: That the women and everybody fought back on. They want
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  Speaker 2: to keep the ability for women to choose the journeymen
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  Speaker 2: that became masters. And it's just really interesting because they
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  Speaker 2: didn't fight to keep their own careers. They fought for
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  Speaker 2: the right to have that in their trousseau, which if
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  Speaker 2: you don't know what that means, it means it's sort
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  Speaker 2: of like a dowry, so that they could attract man
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  Speaker 2: to marry. And that's really interesting because if you think
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  Speaker 2: about it, that's really like a big part of women's
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  Speaker 2: concern throughout history. Like, again, they weren't fighting to keep
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  Speaker 2: their careers, they were fighting to keep their dowries, keep
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  Speaker 2: themselves attractive in marriage prospects, and throughout history that has
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  Speaker 2: been the central thing that women have been concerned about.
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  Speaker 2: I want to make sure I have a dowry. I
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  Speaker 2: want to be able to make sure I can marry well.
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  Speaker 2: I want to make sure my girls can marry well.
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  Speaker 2: And for some reason this paper I don't know, in
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  Speaker 2: the last couple generations, women have been liberated from marriage,
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  Speaker 2: which is the thing that they were always fighting for,
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  Speaker 2: the eligible for, to be desirable for throughout most of
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  Speaker 2: human history. And yet suddenly they've been convinced that they
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  Speaker 2: don't want it. And the funny thing is that, again
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  Speaker 2: this is not new. Women have always had dowries, they've
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  Speaker 2: always had resources, even if they were working class, they
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  Speaker 2: had jobs. So why is it suddenly these women now
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  Speaker 2: don't want to get married and think that it's liberation
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  Speaker 2: not to be married. And then we come back to
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  Speaker 2: the paper telling us that, of course it was always
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  Speaker 2: men who wanted to be married. But just ignore all
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  Speaker 2: about those fights over dowry, over making sure that the
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  Speaker 2: women tailor guild could confirm mastership that becomes part of
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  Speaker 2: their trusseau so that they could be marriageable. Forget all
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  Speaker 2: of that throughout all of human history, that didn't happen. No,
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  Speaker 2: it was always men. Men were the only ones who
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  Speaker 2: ever wanted to get married, don't you know, guys, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: this is the longest side.
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  Speaker 1: So okay, back to this a high purpose. Well, actually
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  Speaker 1: I got some uh super chats or super child. Richard
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  Speaker 1: Baer gave us five dollars super child, Thank you Richard,
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  Speaker 1: and says, so, the envisioned future is that there will
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  Speaker 1: be about a dozen accessible men designated as seed keepers,
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  Speaker 1: and the commune of women playing volleyball, and the required
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  Speaker 1: booths go to go into in order to release a fart.
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  Speaker 1: Of course, there will also be a government issued Lily
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  Speaker 1: of the Valley for all of the women. Okay, thank
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  Speaker 1: you for that. I wonder if these people, like they
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  Speaker 1: know that these are things that can't actually be achieved,
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  Speaker 1: but they still talk about it. I don't know, but yes,
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  Speaker 1: back to this, what.
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  Speaker 2: If you want to know the reference he's referring No
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  Speaker 2: Man's Country, which is.
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  Speaker 1: I know, I know, I know how Richard's mind.
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  Speaker 2: People who are listening, but people who have been tuning in,
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  Speaker 2: they not know that there is such a thing as
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  Speaker 2: the Russian comedy sci fi named No Man's Zone that
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  Speaker 2: taught basically lampoons a feminist utopia. It was actually quite funny.
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  Speaker 2: It's sort of pulse in its way. So there you go.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, all right, A high proportion of men could secure
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  Speaker 1: a mate, which had not been common in our species.
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  Speaker 1: We have around twice as many female as male ancestors,
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  Speaker 1: as most men did not prevail their intersexual competition over
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  Speaker 1: women and were thus deprived of becoming our ancestors.
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  Speaker 2: I'm looked into that. No, that's not what.
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  Speaker 1: You know, you know, it's kind of well, you know,
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  Speaker 1: what's kind of funny about this. They're basically saying that,
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  Speaker 1: like most men are, we are are going to be
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  Speaker 1: considered unfit to reproduce because monogamy is this thing that
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  Speaker 1: you know was used so that like low status men
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  Speaker 1: could like have babies. I mean, is that what is
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  Speaker 1: that what I'm seeing? Like kind of a eugenicist argument.
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  Speaker 1: Is that what I'm seeing? Or am I wrong?
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  Speaker 2: Well that's a completely different angle. Yeah, it's a genesis argument.
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  Speaker 1: A eugenicist argument. Yeah, like only like they're basically this,
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  Speaker 1: this is bad because it has privileged men that should
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  Speaker 1: be unfit that that's what it's saying, right, Okay, all right,
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  Speaker 1: I want to get to I want to come back
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  Speaker 1: to that later because there there is someone who agrees
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  Speaker 1: with these people, and it's coming from somewhere that they
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  Speaker 1: might not expect. But we'll get to that later, Okay, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: go ahead.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I want to get into the studies. First
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  Speaker 2: of all, very provisional, like it's not settled science on us.
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  Speaker 2: Second of all, what they're talking about is to pinch
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  Speaker 2: points in human genetic diversity, one at about one hundred
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  Speaker 2: thousand years ago and the other at about ten thousand
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  Speaker 2: years ago. And we don't know why that happened. Now,
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  Speaker 2: I think that a sinus might have been ruled out,
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  Speaker 2: but I'm not sure, or there are some kind of
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  Speaker 2: cultural change that happened. Not sure, I don't know, but
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  Speaker 2: there is a basically big genetic pinch point at those
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  Speaker 2: two periods of time, and for what reason there are
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  Speaker 2: a lot of dead men not so many dead women. Now,
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  Speaker 2: what did happening immediately after is we resumed basically one
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  Speaker 2: to one monogamous pair bonding for the most part. That
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  Speaker 2: characterizes our species. And so the idea that it's however,
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  Speaker 2: many men to however many women who reproduced, it's not
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  Speaker 2: good born out. And the other thing that I noticed
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  Speaker 2: about this is okay, so the way that they measure
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  Speaker 2: this stuff is, or at least part of the information
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  Speaker 2: regarding this assertion is last common ancestor. Okay, So if
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  Speaker 2: your last common ancestor female ancestor is further in the
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  Speaker 2: past than your last male common ancestor, they say, there's
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  Speaker 2: more genetic diversity on your female line than your male line,
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  Speaker 2: and the uh. And then they would say, well, that
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  Speaker 2: means there's you know, there's more you have more female
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  Speaker 2: ancestors than male ancestors. But the problem is that I've
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  Speaker 2: also caught them saying, well, if your last male ancestor
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  Speaker 2: is further back than your last female ancestor, that also
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  Speaker 2: means you have more female ancestors than male ancestors. And
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, you can't have it both ways. That is
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  Speaker 2: an unfalsifiable statement. It's essentially a conclusion grow hoping for
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  Speaker 2: its own evidence, right, So you have to you can't say, well,
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  Speaker 2: this evidence and the acxact opposite of this evidence all
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  Speaker 2: lands on the same conclusion. So there's some issues with
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  Speaker 2: that particular science. Now I could get more into it,
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  Speaker 2: but it just gets more and more freaking technical. So
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  Speaker 2: I won't just suffice to say that this may not
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  Speaker 2: be the case. And furthermore, if it is the case,
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  Speaker 2: it's the result of severe genetic bottlenecks that are not
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  Speaker 2: something that we evolved to have said. They were just
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  Speaker 2: things that they were external to us in the past. Right,
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  Speaker 2: And then immediately after we reasserted our preferred mating strategy,
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  Speaker 2: which is monogamous, and there is substantial evidence that that
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  Speaker 2: is what we are. Okay, So these people are wrong,
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  Speaker 2: And the biggest evidence that they're wrong is that again,
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  Speaker 2: women have more children than single women, substantially more. And
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  Speaker 2: if we had most women married, we wouldn't have a
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  Speaker 2: birth rate crisis, or it would be substantially substantially better
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  Speaker 2: than it is now. The problem is we have too
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  Speaker 2: many single women, and making more single women doesn't solve
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  Speaker 2: the problem of having too many single women, right, So
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  Speaker 2: there you go.
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  Speaker 1: Especially if you're paying them to be single.
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  Speaker 2: And if we were not monogamous breeders, this would not
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  Speaker 2: be a problem. These women would be having children right.
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  Speaker 2: If we were promiscuous breeders like gyms, we would not
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  Speaker 2: be having a birth rate crisis right now. Right. If
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  Speaker 2: we were polygamous like I don't know, gorillas, we wouldn't
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: be having a birth rate crisis right now. Yeah, Like
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: it just it wouldn't be happening. The reason why we're
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: having a birth rate crisis is because we're not having
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: a birthrate crisis. We're having a pair bonding formation, pair
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: on formation crisis, and birth rates are downstream of that,
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: like people are not getting in relationships. Men and women
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: are not forming relationships at sufficient volume to create a
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: birth rate that our culture sustains itself with, as simple
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: as that, and making the problem worse is not going
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: to make the problem better. It sounds really stupid when
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: I say it, like that, isn't it huh? Okay, continue, maybe.
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: It is stupid. Reverting to such stark mating inequality may
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: feel inappropriate to contemporary sensibilities. However, in the pop cultural
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: discourse surrounding the mating crisis, some have expressed strong intuitions
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: for why female emancipation has caused some men dearly. A
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: widely circulated meme to still this view memorably, the real
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: reason we have a male loneliness epidemic is because marriage
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: was dei for men? Whoa is that so? So that
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: more of this kind of interesting rhetoric. Literally sources of
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: TikTok video that's their source for this, for this, Okay,
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: I'm just gonna like ignore that unless you want to
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: see that that TikTok video.
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: I can. No, that's okay, we don't know, no, No, it's.
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: Just like it's just some manifest Yeah, saying that marriage
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: is for men. They really they that de i thing
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: really stung, didn't it. They really? They never let that go.
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: Now they're trying to now they're doing that thing. No,
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: we're not the d e. You are the d guy.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: You're the ones trying to get married and have children.
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: You realize you're talking about your father and your grandfather. No,
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: of course you don't you don't think about that anyway.
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: No, No, the very the very system. That's why they're here.
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: And I'm guessing we're gonna be taking a long time
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: to get through this. But it's it's very substantial paper,
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: I think, and it's good to address it. But okay,
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: so emancipation from marriage is what feminism did for women. Now,
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: how will I how will I focus on this? What
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: we've what I've what I've noticed is that well, feminism
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: says it's his emancipated women from the pair bond. What
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: it seems to have freed quote unquote women into is
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: being fuck toys for sociopaths or at least men who
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: are completely indifferent to them in terms of relationships. And
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: funnily enough, it's constructed the situation where women are are
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: being like they're they're like, uh, they're basically in the
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: rotation of these men these situationships, right, And they are
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: the ones who look at this situation and say, well,
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: I have to manage my emotions like around him not
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: texting and not showing up and not caring about me
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: in the slightest unless I make myself a complete sexual
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: convenience to him, and if I don't, then he's just
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: going to drop me from his rotation. But this is
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: what's really happening here, guys, is she's learning to be
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: an empowered, independent woman who doesn't rely on a man emotionally.
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: So feminism has framed it in such a way that
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: women do the emotional labor of being a sexual convenience
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: for a guy who's never going to commit to them
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: and taking it upon themselves that in order to be
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: strong and independent, they have to, you know, exist on
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: his terms. And I'm like, look at this situation. How much? Okay,
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: So they will bend over backwards not to be an
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: emotional imposition or or or retain the emotional attitude to
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: accept being some dude's sexual convenience. Like these that's what
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: these women will do. They'll bend themselves into pretzels, right,
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: so that they can tolerate being Chad's Thursday three thirty
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: to four fifteen pm.
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, But and that's okay, that's being empowered. But some
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: woman in Australia makes the sandwich for her construction construction
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: worker husband and that's a pick mey, like she's doing
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: something for him in an obviously reciprocal relationship, Right, she's
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: getting something back from that, his companionship, him paying the bills,
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: whatever else, him showing up every day. And she's just
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: making a sandwich for a men who shows up every
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: day and is building a life for her. And that's
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: being a pickmy. But no, you know, making sure that
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: you turn yourself into a sexual conveniences for a psychopath,
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: a sociopath, that's empowerment. Do you notice that the distinction
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: you make a sandwich for a man in a reciprocal
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: relationship that's being taken advantage of you turn yourself into
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: a sexual convenience for a sociopath, that's that's being an empowered,
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: independent woman. And I'm not judging the guy. Not all
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: of them are sociopaths. Many of them just figured out that,
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: you know, investment is a fool's game in this dating
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: market for men. I'm not blaming him. I'm just saying,
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: that's that's quite the dichotomy feminists. No, you get women
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: to eat their desire for a man who shows up,
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: to eat their desire for a reci reciprocal relationship, to
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: eat their desire for a man who's motionally available, right,
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: he doesn't treat them like a convenience to be thrown out.
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: You make women eat all of that to turn them
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: into actual toys for your extractive sociopaths that you freaking love.
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: Your feminists just fucking love those men. And then you
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: you you point fingers and mock women who actually are
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: reciprocal in a reciprocal relationship. I just I love I
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: love the Xane, I love the Saney chutzpa all that. Yeah, okay, all.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: Right, so I got another super chow and a super chat,
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: so I'm gonna read that really quick. Richard Bierre gave
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: us five and said, remember that the greatest period of
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: female economic empowerment was during the Black Plague, as the
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: plague opened up so many economic opportunities for women by
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: getting the men, the me who were keeping women disempowered
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: out of the way, the men of the advancement.
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: No, I know, it's just yeah, that's bullshit.
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: That well, he's he's joking. He's saying that a lot
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: of men died, therefore women could find work.
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: So a lot of women died, and that's not really
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: what happened. In fact, the uh, the legal position for
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: women changed quite a bit. I'm not going to say
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: it went it became worse because generally these kind of
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: shifts coincide with social expectation, more social expectations on men
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: to protect and provide. So like, it's uh, it's complicated.
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: It's much more complicated than that simplistic story would suggest.
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: And you know, women didn't benefit from the Black plague.
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: But of course I would not put it past a
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: feminist to assert such a thing. Yeah, oh man, go ladies,
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: you're being taken advantage of. If you make your sandwich
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: for a husband who shows up for you every day,
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: if you if you if you spread your legs for
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: a man who only tolerate you for half an hour
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: while he's fucking you, that's empowerment. All right, let's keep
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: on all right.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: I got another super chat from senior sticks for five
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: dollarsers who says the birth rate crisis is global, as
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: in no investment of the whole or the roots that
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: allow for such comforts. Example, all the young people leaving. Yeah,
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: it's spreading everywhere, that's what you're getting at. Okay. So,
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: in this framing, marriage between the first and third sexual
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: revolutions functioned as a kind of de facto affirmative action
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: program for low value men. After the Church's insistence on monogamy,
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: it was no longer a legally sanctioned option for women
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: to share the highest value men in polygynous relationships. This
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: radical intervention could be seen as dei for men, or
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: more precisely, for the low value men who previously would
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: have been out competed by men who could attract and
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: afford multiple mates.
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: How could they afford them?
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: Right, Okay, So, first of all, accumulating wealth, especially accumulating
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: wealth through generations. This is the other thing they're coming
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: right up against another feminist sibylis, which is that wealth,
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: the accumulation of wealth itself created patriarchal marriage. So which
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: is it? Did it create polygamy or did it create
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: patriarchal marriage? Right, so they can never get their story straight.
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: But here's here's the issue. Throughout most of human evolution,
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: there was no accumulation of wealth. Right, So if a
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: woman was attracted to a man who didn't actually commit,
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: she wasn't reproductively successful. She was dead. And if she
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: was part of a family sisters, that all did it.
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: That family line died. Because here's the thing. Humans don't
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: survive to adulthood without involved fathers in the wild. I
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: mean maybe one or two if they have an extended family,
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: but you're not. You can't rely on that, right, You
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: can't rely on that through most of human history when
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: our biggest groups were like twenty five people. Okay, so
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: this doesn't even make sense on its face, And this
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: is what I really want to drill into people's heads.
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: Throughout most of our evolutionary history, there was no point
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: at which a woman's could have a successful reproductive strategy
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: without an involved male partner. She was just dead and
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: offspring were dead. Right. That's actually you see a little
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: bit of an echo of that in like the Teutons,
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: I think it was, and their attitude towards women, and
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: essentially if they were migratory barbarians, I'll call them barbarians, right,
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: So they would move from place to place and they'd
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: follow the herds, and if a man died in battle,
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: his woman had three months to find another man, or
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: they basically bashed her brain in with a rock and
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: her children's because she was a liability, right. And that's
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: that was the social situation for women through at least
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: in like the Northern Steps and like a lot of
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: the you know, It wasn't a situation where everyone was
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: settled and they could afford a bunch of mouths to
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: feed and a woman who wasn't partnered. Okay, so keep
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: that in your mind. Right, When women in the past
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: had sex with men who did not commit, they were
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: consigning their own death warrant. They were signing it. Either
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: that or they were just abandoning the kid in the
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: field to die so that they could survive. That is
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: not a reproductive strategy. This, what we're seeing today is abnormal,
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: and we may be having been seen abnormal behavior since
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: like one hundred thousand years ago, ten thousand years ago.
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: Maybe that civilization inculcates in us some strange kind of behaviors,
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: like it does that with dogs versus wolves, that dogs
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: don't pair bond wolves do, right, So that could be
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: part of it, But the evolved behaviors it was. Yeah, No,
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: it's not a successful strategy for a woman to not
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: have an involved partner. That just results in dead babies, right,
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: And it's not a successful strategy in a situation where
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: nobody's acquiring any wealth to sort of average it out,
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: like you can have multiple wives if you own a
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: giant grain bin but you're not gonna own a giant
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: grain bin until after the Neolithic, right, So you can't
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: like it's not it's just not gonna work when you're
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: like a roving bands is not going to work. And
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: that is this, that is where how we evolved. And honestly,
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: and I keep fighting against this because there's a whole
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: bunch of really bad information. Human beings are some of
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: the most obligate pair bonders. That means pair bonding isn't
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: just like a it's like, yeah, maybe maybe if I'm
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: feeling like a thing. For us, it is obligate, it
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: is required. We are some of the most obligate pair
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: bonding animals on the planet. So we're not just like
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: socially para bonded, which is undeniable. We're also genetically and
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: in many cases sexually monogamous too. And what that means.
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: And one of the one of the studies that indicates
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: that is rates of half siblings. Now it varies, and
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: you guys are gonna find this hilarious. For example, in
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: Northern Europe, the rate of half siblings is like, of
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: course that's changed a bit lately. But what that means
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: is most brothers and sisters in northern Europe are from
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: the same pair. Now in Africa that goes up to
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: like forty percent. In Asia it's about nine percent. I'll
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: leave the comparative civilization comparative for the viewer, but that
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: suggests fairly strongly that we are monogamous, because this is
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: something that you don't see in other animals. Right, even
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: most social like most pair bond mammals, they don't just
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: have a high like a rate of genetically like half
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: sisters or half brothers half sisters among the offspring. The
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: offspring themselves are often like seventy percent of them. Aren't
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: the social fathers genetically, That's not true for humans. Like
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: if you just test randomly, not just test based on
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: somebody who has a concern about paternity, you're looking at
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: like ninety seven percent. So around the world, for the
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: most part, men's children are their children, like the children
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: of the social father is also the genetic father for humans.
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: That is unprecedented among most most pair bonding animals. Most
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: pair bonding animals average if they're like like birds, they
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: average maybe seventy percent, and if they're mammals they can
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: go down to thirty percent. Genetic genetically the father like,
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: we are really unique in this. And this is something
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: that I see constantly people misrepresenting and is usually probably
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: traced to like that sex It Dawn book, which is
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: absolute balderdash. But anyway, so it's like this again, more
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: misrepresentation here. Anyway, shall we continue? I have a lot
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: of like like studies.
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: That no, it's it's okay, it's okay, all right, so
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: let me see no more super chats or anything right now. So,
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: but still such lowest value men contributed resources that could
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: be invaluable for his wife and offspring, making it adaptive
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: to marry them. In our ancestors' environment, having a partner
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: could be life saving for a woman in her offspring
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: if he provided even substandard levels of resources and some
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: protection against predators, rival groups, and hostile mails. Consequently, the
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: romantic emotions women evolved for men needed only be strong
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: enough to facilitate sufficient pair bonding and reproduction in environments
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: that were far poorer and more dangerous than our own.
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: What romantic emotions are we talking about? Women evolved for men?
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: Oh so wait, women evolved romantic emotions for men? Mm
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: hmmm is that what it says?
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: Okay, yes, but only are only strong enough in environments
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: of depredation. So men had to provide something more in
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: order to attract a woman, and that would be resources,
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: but not that much in like a poor And I'm
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: curious why they don't make the obvious statement here. They're
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: assuming that pair bonding is imposed on women, and they're
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: describing the ancestral conditions that we evolved in, like that
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: pair bonding is imposed socially on women, and they're describing
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: the ancestral situation that we evolved in to explain why
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: women have romantic feelings for men. What you know, I
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: feel like we're reading the hoof principle bunch of lizards.
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: I don't think lizards have hoofs.
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: But I do not think yeah, like the mark the
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: claw marks of a bunch of lizards. Oh oh well,
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: the romantic feelings of the female towards the male, Oh
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: good lord well, and again I'll throw my own conjecture
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: into the heap. I think that they're right but wrong
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: at the same time. I think what's happened is that
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: the excessive comfort of our societies has prevented women from
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: you know, as I say, always the v one a
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: cross activation that would tend to make them gain that
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: kind of desire for a specific partner and a desire
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: for their own personal territory, which for gregarious pair bonders,
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: our personal territory generally is our pair bond. I can
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: get into that a bit more, but maybe later, all right.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: That's how this aspect of male long term utility has
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: changed after the Third Sexual Revolution, we argue, explains much
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: of why women, to an increasing extent, exclude the least
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: sought after men. They have no crucial resources to offer.
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: In addition to women now being able to provide for
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: themselves and have perfectly fine lives as romantically single, many
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: nations support them with generous financial transfers. Regarding modern Scandinavia,
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: Bus sixty eight or I'm sorry Bus two thousand and
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: three concluded that quote taxpayers effectively provide what husbands formerly provided,
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: freeing women from their economic dependence on men. So you
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: agree that you've basically fucked everybody with this is what
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: you're saying, because you've already said women are earning their
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: own money and they're getting money from the government, and
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: you're just assuming that men have no crucial resources to offer,
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: which is ridiculous. So yeah, I mean they're just they're
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: just saying it like they're just saying it.
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: It's ridiculu because they've just conceded that men have crucial resources.
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: The only difference is what I said, they're being distributed
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: to women via a bureaucratic extraction class, yes, right, And
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: they're being They're not just being distributed to women from men.
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: They're also being distributed to women to to single women,
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: single I guess, unmarried mothers from women with the discipline
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: to actually have children in a relationship. So those women
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: are losing money to irresponsible to subsidize the irresponsible. Just
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: putting it out there, right, So there's there's an implicit
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: assumption that they're making here and it that is, and
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: what they're revealing is that women still rely on men.
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: It's just that whatever they rely on men for, the
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: government is extracting out of men and delivering them it
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: to them. That sounds really unjust, fundamentally unjust right. To
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: extract from one group to deliver it unanimously to the
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: other group seems really unjust for no other reason than
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: their bio category. Hmm. I mean, I don't even have
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: to go into how dysfunctional this is, and how it's
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: destroying the birth right. The fact that you're extracting from
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: one category of person based on the color of I
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: mean the you know, the contents of their pants, and
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: giving it to another group of people based on the
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: color color. Sorry, I mean content of their pants. Is uh,
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: it seems a little unjust. I thought we I thought
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: we did something about that, like two hundred years ago,
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: or was it one hundred and fifty years ago? Huh?
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: I thought we did something about that. I guess we're
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: just doing that again, just doing that again. Gonna have
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: another round to that, all right, let's keep going.
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: All right. The above factors suppress pair bonding. The assumption
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: inherent in the concept of assortative mating is that women
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: with a mate value and a certain percentile consider a
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: suitable match a man in the same percentile if they do.
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: A zipper can be used as a metaphor for how
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: individuals with similar value pair bond, providing communities with enough
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: couples to reproduce their numbers. There is, however, a little
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: reason to assume that the Median men and women must
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: have equal mate value, unless their mating regime makes monogamous
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: marriage near obligatory. I like how they call marriage, like
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: the encouragement of marriage is coming from a regime. They
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: like that word regime. It usually means evil overlord of
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: some kind, Those evil overlords, you know, recommending marriage and family.
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: How could they those bastards with men no less? Which
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: is the worst part with regards to their pair bonding.
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: The relative value of the sexes is primarily informed by
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: the importance of biparental care in a given environment, the
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: sex ratio, and prevailing mating norms. You know what else
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: is really funny about this is they're basically assuming that
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: whatever women's preferences are must be like a correct Like
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: that's when a woman says that's the man I want,
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: she's she looks matched to that guy. Regardless, they're like matched.
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: It's it's even it's men that that are the problem.
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: They're the ones that need de I you know, well,
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: they're the ones that not not the women. Whatever women want,
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: they clearly deserve it. And and also they said earlier
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: U something about how they're gonna basically, yeah, they're going
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: to exclude the least sought after men. Well guess what,
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: what's what's already going to happen is that if you
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: limit the pool of men, the women are just gonna
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: pick the top percent of those men that you have
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: found acceptable because that's how women work. And you haven't
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: like wrestled with that yet. You know, they're just gonna
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: if you say, these these are the five hundred men
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: we have deemed the highest quality men, and these billions
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: of other men are just gonna like work the minds
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: to provide the raw materials so that you ladies can
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: live here in the lap of luxury and convenience, and
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: the women are just gonna be like, well, I don't
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: like four hundred and ninety eight of those guys. I
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: just kind of like these two, and all the women
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: are gonna want those guys.
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because it's all these people.
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: Have apocalyptic ideas about the way the way we should live.
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, it's it's always a relative target. It's
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: always the men that are gonna make your your girlfriends
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: jealous yep. So that's never that's never a standard. Mean,
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: it's just always a top. So if even if all
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: the undesirable men just you know, the desirability fairy waved
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: her magic wand and made them all minimally desired vable,
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: then the lower bar would just raise, so that again
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: ninety five percent of men are not within the interest
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: of women. But I just want to point out that
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: they're saying that para bonding is unnecessary or but the
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: problem is that it is humans aren't reproducing outside of parabonds.
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: They just aren't. There seems to be a small number
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: of women who make it a business to have children,
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: and then there's also a few women who just I
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: guess accidental accidental themselves into it. But for the most part,
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: those two groups of people are declining very fast. So
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: it's going to be that single women simply just don't
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: have children. It doesn't matter how much money you give them,
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: They're just not going to have children. Is not So
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: this whole idea that men need a parabond to reproduce,
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: and it's only men that need it, right, it's only
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: the low status men that need enforced monogamy to reproduce. Well,
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: unfortunately that's true about women too. And the other thing
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: that's true is if women want a relationship with a
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: man who shows up, this regime is not going to
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: get them that either, Right, So the thing is that
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: they're missing is that this is reciprocal. When they say
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: that most men aren't going to marry, they mean most
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: women aren't going to marry either. Because I hate to
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: say it, but I don't think women are going to
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: share a man with ten other twenty other women on
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: twenty other women. And they may share that man, but
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: they sure as hell aren't going to have many children.
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: And you know, harems did not produce a hell of
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: a lot of children. You don't realize that the societies
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: that with more strict monogamy produce a heck of a
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: lot more children than any other society. Because humans are
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: obligate pair bonders. We don't breed outside of a pair bond,
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: and when we do, it's usually a mistake. It's usually
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: a massive mistake.
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: So let's keep on, Yeah, let's keep going, all right.
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: I got another rumble rant from Nova fan twenty one,
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: who says, does the article acknowledge the effect of men
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: leaving the dating market and living minimalist lifestyles that lower
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: the taxes they owe will reduce the women's safety nets?
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: Might explain third world men. No, of course they're not
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: gonna I mean, I don't know, but i'll tell you
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: right now. I doubt it because they're not looked. They're
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: not even asking questions about men's side of this, Like
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: men have not been consulted on this at all. It's
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: just a bunch of you know, these I don't know
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: thought leaders, I guess. I mean, this is coming from
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: Cambridge dot org, so not like some fringe crazy website. Okay,
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: but anyway, if our hypothesis is correct and that our
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: current environment motivates women to assign lower value to certain
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: groups of men, we should see fewer assortative matches and
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: declining pair bonding rates. We would expect a marginalization of
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: men with lower long term mate value and a greater
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: female intersexual competition for the high value men. A line
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: of studies support the hypothesis that this change is occurring.
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: For instance, Harper at All found that from two thousand
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: and two to twenty eleven through thirteen, the top five
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: percent of American men increased their number of sex partners
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: by thirty two percent, while a similar reduction in sex
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: partners occurred across men in the lower percentiles. You mean,
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: like all the rest Norwegian men in the top five
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: percent of estimated earnings capacity have over a ninety percent
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: probability of being partnered by age forty, while men in
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: the bottom five percent have under a forty percent probability.
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: Danish men experienced similar marginalization, as forty five percent of
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: low skilled men live alone. All right, should I keep going?
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: I will now, Yeah, I'm trying to figure out where
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: the heck you are.
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: Oh, I'm on now, I've just gotten to the dating
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: apps exacerbate women's discrimination of men. So some of this
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: stuff is explaining reality. But it's funny because I wouldn't
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: be surprised if the people who wrote this paper hold
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: the very ideas that are creating the conditions that they
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: are now looking at as though it's completely organic. Wow,
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: look at all these funny little side effects of the
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: of all this sexual liberation for women, of all of
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: these revolutions. Look at these findings. Fascinating. Everything's going to hell. Boy,
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: it's a good thing we got out from underneath that oppressive,
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: you know, marriage thing that's like keeping people chained. Women's
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: specific chained to like men that they should. They clearly
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: can do better, you know than So anyway, dating apps
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: exacerbate women's discrimination of men. The fact that behavior on
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: dating apps is so quantifiable perhaps contributes to why so
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: many blame this new technology for parts of our mating dysfunction.
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: Research reveals how strongly women discriminate between men and the
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: distribution of mating outcomes, a stratification reflected also in dating
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: app behavior. Yet we caution against viewing this new technology
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: as the underlying cause of reduced pair bonding, a process
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: that started decades before Tinder was launched in twenty twelve.
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: Digital app use further complicates a sort of mating, yet
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: a return to our analog past would probably not solve
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: the fertility crisis. To support this argument, we must investigate
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: how dating app dynamics mostly reflect, although also exacer, the
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: deeper issue of many men's reduced utility as long term partners. Nope,
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: nothing from Alison. You don't want to say anything else.
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: I'm just I'm just listening the.
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: Deeper issue of many men's reduced utility as long term partners.
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: Stop taking money from them right and giving it to women. Yeah, Like,
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: what is what is the ethical argument taking money from
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: one bio group to give it to another. There's none,
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: There's absolutely none. If you want to solve this crisis,
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: you've got to deal with men's issues. That's it, like,
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: and you've got to get rid of feminism because feminism, Like,
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: there's this this thing that I just looked at again,
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: which I'm still astounded by. I'm gonna I'm gonna read
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: it out again because I think you're reminder for this.
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: These dynamics suggest that trying to increase pair bonding rates
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: is the obvious way forward for nations hoping to avoid
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: a demographic collapse. Unfortunately, experts are unsure also of the
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: psychological causes behind reduced pair bonding. My god, Brian, what
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: could possibly have reduced pair bonding? Surely, surely it isn't
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: an ideology that explicitly said it was going to destroy
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: marriage because it says that marriage is the site of oppression.
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: Not just marriage, heterosexuality is the site of oppression of women.
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: Surely that might you know, maybe maybe maybe we can't.
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: We just don't know what destroyed marriage. There's no there's
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: no possible way of figuring it out, Brian. No no
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: candidates for what could possibly have destroyed the process of
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: pair bonding between than women, none whatsoever. No idea, no idea, guys,
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: complete mystery. Okay, let's keep it.
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: I guess. I guess we're just gonna have to keep
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: on moving forward and not actually ask any questions about
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: that whatsoever.
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: So keep doing the same thing, guys.
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, let's just keep moving.
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: Keep throwing gasoline on the fire. Surely it will work.
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: Get another bucket. Surely this, this next bucket of gasoline
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: will put the fire out.
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: Okay, yep, okay. While the pill empowered women to pursue
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: the most attractive men with less risk of pregnancy, that's
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: a strange leap right there. That.
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, go ahead, No, no, go ahead, I'm not curious.
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: I'm just like, the only thing the pill did was,
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I don't know how else to put it. It
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: allowed them to be sluts without consequences. That's that's what
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: it did. It allowed them to lasically like fuck well
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: whoever they wanted to, without worrying about getting pregnant. And
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: they're saying, no, this allows them to pursue the most
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: attractive men with less risk of pregnancy. No, that's not
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: what it's for. The pill doesn't let women pursue attractive men.
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: The pill lets women have sex without getting pregnant while
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: fucking with their hormones. By the way, no, that's just
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: the reality of what the pill is though, Like, why
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: are you telling me it's doing something that it doesn't do.
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: It does not allow women to pursue attractive men. You
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: can pursue attractive men with or without the pill, so
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: that has nothing to do with this. So why are
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: you framing it this way? And this is what I'm saying.
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: This is where the rhetoric comes in. They're deplaying these
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: rhetorical games of saying, well, you see, the pill liberated women,
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: so we couldn't possibly consider taking that away, which of
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: course they're really a big you know, proponents of Well,
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: even though no one's saying we got to take it away.
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: Okay, I just want to point out that again they're
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: essentially saying that whatever they're doing, this liberation is not
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: going to result it. We've liberated women, that's caused the
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: birth rate to crater, so let's keep doing that, but
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: also liberate them more to solve the birth rate crisis. See,
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: they've just said that the pill, of course allowed women
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: not to have children. Well that's exactly what it did.
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: But now they're saying, well, let's continue with that, so
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: that that's something something something question mark question mark question mark,
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: and then the birth rate crisis will be salved. Yeah,
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: that's ridiculous. Okay, let's just keep doing And that's all
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: they're doing, is they're saying, well this, you know, I
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: don't know how Paara bonding imploded. Surely it wasn't the
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: very strident women who all said that it was the
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: source of oppression of women. So let's just keep doing
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: this thing. You know, honestly, why don't we just like
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: chill on take away the birth patrol pill, like I
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: don't have a dog in that fight in particular, and
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: chill on this whole you know, getting rid of women's rights.
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: Why don't we just start with what they say is
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: women's rights anyway, I'm pretty sure women always worked, and
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: they always had material possessions, and they always had standing
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: in their communities. So whatever they think that feminists emancipated
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: women from, I just want to point out that you
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: probably shouldn't trust feminists by even in terms of what
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: they say they did. But let's just settle that aside.
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: Why don't we just stop telling women that men don't
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: pull their weight in relationships, that men are danger to
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: be abusive sexually or otherwise in relationships. Well, first of all,
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: those men are the least dangerous, but also women are
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: are equally dangerous. So maybe don't single men out for
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: unique condemnation as being so wretched in relationships and so
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: dangerous and so exploitative, and stop saying that heterosexuality is
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: the sight of women's oppression, and stop saying that marriage
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: is horrible for women? Like could we stop that? Like
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: why don't we just do that? Why don't we just
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: do a moratorium on saying how horrible men are for
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: like a year, Like just stop doing it? Like we're
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: constantly reading articles like that is like just article after
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: article which is just basically men are horrible, right, Like
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: there's no excuse for it. They just find some no
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: way to frame men as being horrible. Shushdog, I'm on
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: a roll. And why do we stop that for a
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: year and then see if maybe that helps the pair bonding? Huh?
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: What do you think, Brian?
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: Do you think that's that's I think that's a good
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: step on. Yeah, I mean we could start there and
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: then see where it goes. Like, I guess what the
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: reason why I decided to drill down this is because
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: there were several several choices that we made as a society,
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: you know, going back to before we were born. It
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: got us to this point. And it seems like every
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: choice up until now, this fork in the road that
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: this piece is talking about, well none of that can
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: be questioned. So we're just gonna go from here. And
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: I'm saying, well, maybe there were some things that we
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: decided that were a good idea, which may not be
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: a good idea, one of them being shitting on men
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: and blaming them for everything. But they're just basically like,
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: well this is where we are now, you know, and
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: acting like it just it's like, well, you can't put
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: the genie in the bottle there, So we're just going
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: to extract resources from men until they die and expect
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: them to just be okay with that, so and give
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: those resources to to women who are going to be
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: more ungrateful for them. They're they're literally creating a cast
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: system with creation at the bottom.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: Created, let's be honest, created. We already have a cast system,
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: a legal cast system. Yeah, but yeah, this is like
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: I said, like, I think everything starts with just knocking
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: off the reflexive blaming of men. If we want to
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: make any other change, we got to stop because the
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: thing is that if we want to make a change
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: and everybody reflexively blames men, that's basically saying, well, we
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: don't have to make any changes, right, We just have
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: to blame men for whatever outcome we don't like of
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: the things that we are choosing to do and continue
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: to do so. Unless we stop blaming men for everything
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: and making that our solution to everything, we will never
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: embrace any real solutions for anything.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: Okay, good, all right, anyway back to the article. Let's see,
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: women have increasingly used this advantage to further restrict their
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: dating pool. In twenty fourteen, female tender users were about
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: three times as discriminatory as the male ones, while today
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: they reject ten times as many profiles. According to Girard
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, the average woman first swipes away around
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: ninety five percent of men in the chatting phase. Ninety
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: eight percent of the remainder is filtered out before the
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: woman commits to a date. Such heavy filtration is facilitated
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: by two distinct mating dynamics. First, women's highly discriminatory short
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: term mate preferences draw them to a small proportion of men. Second,
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: men's far more inclusive. Short term preferences motivate a much
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: higher desire for partner variety than observed in most women.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: Oh interesting, So this so you're saying men are more
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: inclusive than women. Boy, I think you gotta get reported
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: to the to the men of equality over here for
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: saying that that's that's edgy. In Norway, men want twenty
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: five lifetime sex partners on average, while women prefer around six.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: Although numbers vary, the sex difference is across cultural universal
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: one Canaire at All twenty twenty three found greater gender
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: equality not to affect. Consequently, there is much greater demand
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: for female sexuality than supply, giving women market powered to
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: select the men who best fulfill their mate preferences. Okay,
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: preferences is wrong.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: Like essentially, what's how this is turning out is again,
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: they're just a sexual convenience for a very small number
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: of men, Like if that's what they want with their life,
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: I guess like uh. And And the thing is that
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: it's more than just uh. I don't even think it's
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: mate preferences, honestly, guys, I think it's intersectional competition and
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: political pressure from feminism that's driving this. And I have
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: my reasons for it. And it's actually really sad that
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: feminism has constructed a situation where women think that being
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: a sexual convenience for men who does not give a
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: crap about them is somehow empowerment and that's all they're
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: getting from this like that, what this paper is arguing
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: is Susan being I don't know Chad's Thursday three point
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: thirty to four point fifteen, and you know he doesn't
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: fuck her face to face because she's too ugly, and
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: also she doesn't say anything during the funning because she
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: doesn't want to deal with her on that level. That
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: is a step up from Susan being married to ste
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: and having four children, right and standing in the community. Right,
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: This furtive, repulsive kind of sexual convenience for psychopaths is
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: somehow better than being a wife and mother, and that
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: if she has any problem with it, because Sue does
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: have a big problem with it, right, if you if
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: these women are honest to themselves, they are not enjoying this. Right.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: They talk about, Oh, I got to be emotionally independent
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: and I have to be strong and independent and whatever.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 2: I got to be a booty satva of compassion in
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 2: order to endure this man's indifference because something good is
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 2: going to come of it, right, never does, Like, these
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: women aren't fricking happy, were the statistics would would bear out,
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 2: they're not.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: These people are trying to gaslight usn't tell it into
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: believing that women are happy because they're more the most liberated,
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: Like they're they're at peak liberation, so peak liberation equals happiness.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: And if they're not happy, then liberation doesn't work. And
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: these people don't want to be true, so they're just
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: going to.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: Remember that. We've we've now, you know, read a couple
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 2: of ur a bunch of these feminists, and I've seen
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 2: this in action. Literally, feminism has taught women that not
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 2: having any relationships expectations of Chad and just being a
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 2: sexual convenience for him is liberation. Right, that's what they've
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: taught them. They've taught them to swallow that m because
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: ultimately feminists are elite women who want to turn other
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: women into a stable of uh, sexual toys and moral
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: tokens for the men that feminists like, which are the
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 2: high powered, sociopathic of financial extractors like this is this
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: is this is the construction here, That's what feminists want
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 2: women to be is they want to have the power
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: to turn a maximum number of women into social toys
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: for the men who are funding feminism. Like it's it's
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: a I know that sounds really really out there, but
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: it's what I am noticing from all of this, and
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: women and women have swallowed this. They have allowed feminists
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: to turn them into sex toys and moral tokens with
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: no like that build nothing, sex toys, moral tokens, and drones,
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: no wonder. They're fixated on the that those that handmaid's
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: tail and the red robes, because it's like, yeah, ladies,
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: feminism turns you into the gray robed women, the ones
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: who just work, and you're not even valued as a mother,
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 2: Like at least the red robed women's fertility was valued.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 2: They were valued for something like You're not valued at
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: all in the feminist framework. You're a strong, independent woman.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 2: No man values you for a damn thing, right, and
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 2: that's what you want with your life. You're not crying
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 2: into your boxed wine at three and am because Chad
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 2: will never call you back. He might call you if
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 2: he's you know, feels like something other than his hand,
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: right that that's not what's really happened. You are a strong,
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 2: independent woman. Nobody values you. You don't need anybody's value.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: You don't need a man. Oh good lord, Kay.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: All right, uh so, anyway back to the article, let's
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: seem for the most sought app. Well, it's not an article,
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: it's a paper, academic paper, I guess, for the most
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: sought afterman. Tender and similar apps provide abundant access to
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: new dates. Even on Hinge, whose slogan is the dating
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: app designed to be deleted, that is, lead to relationships,
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: the top one percent of men receive sixteen percent of
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: women's likes, the top fifteen percent receive fifty percent, and
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: the bottom fifty percent are left with four percent of
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: women's likes. Other dating apps are similarly or more skewed.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: Studies suggests that the average men may have to work
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: through over five thousand profiles to secure a single date.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: Men with even lower mate value face even more punishing odds.
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: Some report having accumulated hundreds of thousands, or even millions
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: of rejections without finding a mate. The thing is that
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: most of the women on those are are going to
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: at best get pumped and dumped, and that's not really
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: what those women are looking for. I think women and
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: men want a pair bond, and the women they look
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying this like I have a tremendous amount
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: of sympathy, but it's just the truth. The women are
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: looking to pair bond, but they're trying to get men
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: that they have no right to at all. Like they're
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: in no business courting those men. And those men, some
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: of them, they're just like, well, I want to get
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: my dick wet, and so I will and I'm not
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: gonna call you anymore. I mean, I'm serious, that's what happens.
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: Like this is why you get so many women who
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: are mid complaining on medium dot com about men in general,
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: but then you read through their fucking blog posts and
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: you realize, oh, no, it's not men in general. A
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: guy pumped and dumped, you didn't call you back, you
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: gave it up, and then probably in that moment, by
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: the way, when you gave it up, he was like, no,
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: I'm not dating this because she gave it away too easily.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: And now you're mad at all men, But you you
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: had no business like even you know, talking to that dude,
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: Like what I think the one thing I will say
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: that dating apps is done, is it has made women
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: delusional about their value, delusional about their worth because they
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: get bombarded by thirsty ass dudes that don't know like
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: when to say no, and so they get hit with,
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: you know, thousands and thousands of likes and comments, and
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: so it inflates their ego and makes them believe that
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: they're more attractive than they actually are, and then they
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: become really selective and choosy and they end up getting
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: you know, pumped and dumped by some gigachad that's going
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: around doing this to lots of women because he can.
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: So it's like, I don't have a lot of sympathy,
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: but these women need to wake up and smell the coffee.
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: They are mid at best, and they probably have a
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: lot to work on, especially if they're on a fucking
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: dating site anyway, because maybe you should, like I don't know,
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: be looking around your local community for people. But look,
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: I'm I know I took up a bit of time there,
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: but I just had to say that because this article
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: is not going to Yeah.
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 2: How dare you take a bit of time Brian? That's
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 2: my job. Yeah, I wanted to say it. Few things
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: to that. One I don't think the man is deciding
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 2: not to never call her again because she gave it
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 2: up too easy. Pretty sure he knew what he was
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 2: doing from the beginning.
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying sometimes it might even be that though,
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: Like if a man's like, you know, I want a
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: nice woman, but I've been with a lot of like
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: loose women, then maybe his test is well, if she,
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: like you know, gives it up on the first night
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: or offers it up even I might decide I'm not
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: going to call her back after that. I mean, I
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: think that there are men that will do that. They
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: they test a woman's let's say, impulse control, I guess,
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: because if she doesn't have any with him, then she's
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: not going to with other men. And if so, if
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: that guy's looking for a partner, then yeah, he's probably
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: going to be paying attention to that stuff.
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's not exactly what I wanted to I just
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 2: wanted to point that out. But also I think it's
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 2: a simultaneously too high value in a marketplace that doesn't
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 2: really matter at the end of the day, because when
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 2: you say all these women are mid yeah, but it's
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 2: perfectly fine. I didn't No no, no, no, no, no, I'm
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 2: trying to get I'm not I'm just adding to what
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 2: you're saying. I'm not saying that you say anything bad.
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 2: But what I'm trying to get at is they're have
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 2: an inflated value, but it's in a marketplace that they
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 2: don't they they probably don't want to be in the
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 2: in the first place, right, because what are you going
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 2: to get thinking that you're a ten in the tender marketplace? Uh?
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 2: More access to sexual opportunity, Like that's for most part.
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 2: Like again, men and women are pair bonders, So what
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 2: does it matter? Like like Simone and Malcolm, what he
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 2: was saying, Like she was upset that she was getting cellulate,
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 2: and he said, but you know you've won, Like you're
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 2: out of there. You're no longer in that marketplace, right,
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 2: You're no longer putting putting yourself on display to attract
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 2: a mate. You have one. It's done. So what I'm
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 2: saying is that they overvalue themselves or they think that's
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 2: how they should value themselves, and they undervalue themselves in
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 2: terms of I deserve a man who shows up. Do
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 2: you get what I'm saying, Brian? Not one that not
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 2: one that's like in the top five percent, but that
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 2: I deserve a companion in my life, Right, I deserve
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 2: somebody who cares enough about me that I get you know,
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 2: I wake up, I see him in the morning, I
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 2: go to bed with him. Right, you are co conspirators
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 2: in life, right, you know, dealing with the slings and
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 2: arraors ab outrageous fortune together. They don't have any value
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 2: on that, or they don't have enough, or it's something
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 2: has gone wrong, right because they gain. These people are
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 2: starting from the presumption that this is a situation that
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 2: women are liberated into. But if you look at it
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 2: from my point of view, they're not liberated into this position.
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 2: They're coerced and manipulated into it at their own detriment.
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 2: They're current coursed and manipulated into fighting with other women
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 2: for the sexual attention of the top five percent of
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 2: sociopaths and extractors, as opposed to finding a companion who
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 2: wants to show up for them and show that they
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 2: matter to another human being. Like, there's no value put
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 2: on that. It's like, I mean, lots of people talk
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: about this in terms of women or men extracting marriage
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 2: from women, but like, look at it from that point
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 2: of view. You hire a woman and you might be mid, right,
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 2: but you have a man who's showed up every day
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 2: and it's built thing with you, right, that you have
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 2: a past with and a future, and they don't value that.
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 2: And I think that fundamentally that's like at the same
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 2: time as they're overvaluing themselves in the marketplace for Chad's
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 2: Thursday three pm slot, and undervaluing themselves in the marketplace
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 2: for I don't know, who's the mid mid guy, Steve,
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 2: Steve's wife, right, Yeah, get what I'm saying. Okay, yeah, sure, yeah,
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 2: Because there's there's more. There's more than one. Like there's
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 2: there there's the one to ten uh uh, you know,
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 2: one to ten? Where do you get to land on
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 2: Chad's cock? And then there's uh, let's get out of
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 2: that and go to who do you want to build
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 2: a life with? Do you want a man who actually
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 2: shows up?
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: You know? Yeah?
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 2: And they massively undervalued them themselves for that because I
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 2: can tell you that because I've listened to them, and
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 2: I've listened to what they talk about and how their
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 2: behavior that they're engaging in, and all of the ways
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 2: that they bend over backwards to deny the fact that
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 2: they actually do want a man who shows up. They
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 2: do want a man who values their time, who pays
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 2: attention to them, and not in like a simping way,
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 2: but in like, yeah, I want to build a life
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 2: with you, ay right. They obviously do want these things,
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 2: because I can tell how much work they're doing to
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 2: not want it with Chad. Yeah, you can see it.
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, I would not tolerate this behavior because
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 2: I value myself too much. Like I don't want to
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 2: be a man's convenience. I want a frickin husband, m h.
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 2: I want a companion. And so they get to value
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 2: themselves more along the access of actually finding someone who
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 2: wants to be with them and wants to build something
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 2: with them, who wants to show up, and valuing themselves
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 2: far less along the access us. I don't know where
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 2: they stand or how well they get access to Chad's cock. Right,
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 2: that's Harem Girl thinking, oh, yeah, I'm going to yeah
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 2: do he fuck good? And also I'm gonna put on
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 2: my like I don't know, uh, beat Harem girl pants
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 2: and do the sexy python dance to attract the Sultan's attention. Yeah, exactly,
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 2: to attract the Sultan's attention. Okay, that's there. That's one
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 2: way of valuing yourself one way maybe, And I don't
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 2: think it's the best way, and I and honestly, the
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 2: misery statistics would suggest it's not the best way for
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 2: most women. And this paper and it's not the best
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 2: way for the birth rate either. And this paper is
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 2: arguing we do more of that. Tell women to value
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 2: themselves in terms of their proximity to Chad's cock more,
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 2: that's what this paper is arguing. Yeah, I am, I
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 2: am three meters from Chad's cockall I am one and
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 2: a half meters. Like this is their this is their
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 2: new value system. God damn, this is wretched.
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: All right. I got another super chat from Senior Stix
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: who gave us two dollars and says, unfair. These type
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: ladies will be fine baby mamas, all right?
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 2: Uh do that? That's the thing?
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: Like well, this this this, uh, this article is this
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 1: piece is essentially making the argument for single moms and
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: that they just get like subsidized like we're doing right now.
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: That's what they're suggesting that. I mean, they haven't gotten
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: to the promote to the proposal yet. The future of
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: free women. That's a little bit later on. So should
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 1: I keep going in this dating apps thing or do
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: IM gonna jump ahead to another second?
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 2: Go ahead, let's keep going, Let's do this this. Just
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 2: give this the treatment that it deserves.
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: All right. Considering how women deem there to be so
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: few good enough men when they use apps, it is
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 1: not surprising that the resulting dating stratification can have adverse
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 1: effects on pair bonding rates. Such apps have displaced friends
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 1: and family as our primary matchmakers, generating many relationships, yet
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: they're channeling of women primarily to the most attractive men.
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: Contributes to how many men become in cells involuntary celibate,
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 1: while many women become in sings involuntary single. Oh I
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: like that in sings as they are unable to get
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 1: the high value men they date to commit. See, like
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 1: I said, they can't get them to commit a woman
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: thirty four reference this challenge in the Norwegian mating debate.
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 1: Those I find interesting are not interested in anything serious
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: or want something simple that does not challenge them in
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: any way. Yeah, because they don't need to like deliver
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 1: for you, Like you're you're asking men that the men
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 1: that you desire are not the men that you want
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 1: to like spend your life with, apparently, or they don't
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 1: want that with you. That's what's happening in sings. I
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: like that though, in sings that's involuntarily single. That's basically
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: because you know, they they they're saying right, women are
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: the gatekeepers of sex. Men are the gatekeepers of commitment.
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: I think that men should recognize that power and use it.
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: I think a lot of guys don't, like, they don't
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 1: think that they have any you know, are.
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 2: They okay with insings? Like? Are they okay with making
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 2: more insings? I?
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 1: No, no, but I'm prepared to use it in sings?
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: Is I n S I n G involuntarily single?
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 2: Okay? Are these researchers who are most likely being listened
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 2: to by policymakers guys? Are they okay with their with
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 2: their recommendations creating more involuntarily single women because that's what
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 2: it's going to do, right, And also they're going to
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 2: creator the birth rate even more. But I wanted to
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 2: speak to that. It's you know, there could be other
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 2: reasons why attractive men don't commit to these women. One,
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 2: a lot of these women are not actually functionally para
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 2: bondableship material. They're not relationship material. I should have said
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 2: it that way. And the reason why they're not relationship
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 2: material is because they are so inculcated into this intersexual
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 2: competition and this belief system around men that they require
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 2: a fear of miss out to even maintain a bond. So,
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 2: in other words, if a man commits to them, he's
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 2: pre selected himself out of being their partner, because as
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 2: soon as he commits to them, he removes their fear
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 2: of missing out, so they you can't have a pair
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 2: bond with women like that, and that's directly coming out
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 2: of feminist teachings, feminist dogma. And then the other thing
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 2: is that the hypergamy of these women. Right when you're
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 2: told that heterosexuality is the site of female oppression, that
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 2: it's a status contest that women always lose, then the
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 2: point the only thing you can really do is maximize
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 2: who you lose to, right, So you end up wanting
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 2: to lose to the best you can get. But it's
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 2: a function of viewing the relationship as a zero sum game,
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 2: so the only value you get out of it is
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 2: by surrendering or losing to the most valuable man. You
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 2: can right, and if you can't lose to a man
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 2: who's extremely high higher value than you, it's not worth it.
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 2: So all of these dysfunctions make it difficult for even
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 2: men who do have access to women to commit to
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 2: any one of them. And then of course there's the
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 2: problem of just inherent how how humans sort themselves, Like, yeah,
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 2: maybe the guy is willing to have sex with you,
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 2: but you don't pass the kin selection filter, because people
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 2: tend to like what's familiar in terms of to a
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 2: degree in terms of their their bonding. They tend to
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 2: be drawn to people who look like their relatives but
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 2: are genetically distinct, and if you're not like that, then
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 2: he's just going to reject you on you know, for
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 2: evolutionary reasons. So it's like it's and again, like an
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 2: attractive man is going to get a lot of attention
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 2: from that kind of woman by definition like uns suitable,
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 2: and not unsuitable necessarily because of her looks, but just
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 2: unsuitable because of those other factors. She operates her pair
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 2: bonds on femo fomo fear of missing out. She has
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 2: a terminal hypergamy because she thinks that heterosexuality as a
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 2: status contest that women always lose. The only thing you
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 2: can maximize is losing to the best man that you can.
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 2: And also she's just incompatible on like evolutionary reasons, for
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 2: evolutionary reasons mcch that's the immune system compatibility is low
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 2: and she has got low kin selection. So there's all
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 2: kinds of reasons the guy could be rejecting these women
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 2: that have nothing to do with their looks, and probably
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 2: also their looks. But you know, and the problem here
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 2: is that if your guy is good looking and you
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 2: actually want to have a partner, it even selects against
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 2: you because you you're inundated by women who are just
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 2: not appropriate. Yeah, no, it's it's it's it's terrible for everyone,
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 2: to be honest. And I could actually even go further
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 2: into it based on like vocal modulation studies and stuff,
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 2: but I'll leave it. We need to get through more so,
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 2: all right.
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 1: I got a super chat from mister Nubid for two
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 1: dollars and he says feminists assured me that their value
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 1: was not sexual. And then I got one from Zera.
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 1: I have it on good authority.
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 2: I have it on good authority.
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 1: Value is not their sexuality, Zera. I mean, that's what
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 1: they're saying. Zaraix gave us five dollars and said, hearing
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 1: in singing has my corny self repurposing by and bye
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 1: bye lyrics. I've already done some of it, but I
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 1: won't complete it. Stop stop that. No, this is not
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 1: about that band.
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 2: Make Brian sing it.
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 1: No, I'm not going to sing it. I don't even
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 1: know how it goes. I never heard of it. I
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 1: don't know who this band is, all right anyway. One
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 1: reason for this pattern may lie in the kind of
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 1: information dating apps foreground foreground. Women are more motivated to
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 1: find love than casual sex when using dating apps, yet
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: many find it difficult to select the most appropriate candidates.
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 1: Pictures on a small screen can tell you if someone
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 1: looks hot enough to potentially turn you on if you meet,
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 1: but it's hard to identify someone of matching long term
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 1: mate value when with whom you could fall in love.
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 1: Y's probably why you shouldn't be on dating apps, though, but.
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 2: Just negated everything that they've just said. Yeah, women want Okay, guys,
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 2: what did you just say? Women want relationships? And you
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 2: just got through how having relationships? Having a situation where
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 2: the maximum number of women can get into relationships with
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 2: somehow oppression of women, And now you're saying that women
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 2: were oppressed by having the very thing that they wanted.
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 2: Oh good lord, Okay, let's continue, all right.
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 1: The consequence for our ability to achieve a sortative mating
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 1: seems considerable. When a dating site asked members to rate
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 1: those of the opposite sex, the result attested to the
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 1: difference between the sex's short term preferences, but perhaps also
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 1: to women developing increasingly discriminatory long term mate preferences a
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 1: hypythe a hypothesis we will return to. Men's ratings spread
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 1: across a bell curve, meaning that a few women were
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 1: judged to be very attractive or very unattractive, while the
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 1: majority were in the middle mid By contrast, women concluded
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 1: that over eighty percent of men had below average attractiveness.
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 1: If the average woman considers only a fifth of men
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 1: to be a good match in terms of attractivity, she
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 1: will struggle to find someone who is both good enough
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 1: and willing to With online dating dominating as a mating arena,
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 1: something that doesn't have to be true, such numbers bode
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 1: poorly for present and future pair bonding and the extension
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 1: of that our ability to reproduce our populations. So again,
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 1: they're just saying eighty percent of men are considered below
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 1: average attractiveness by women, and that's it. That's just like
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 1: a done deal. It's a foregon conclusion. Nothing will change this,
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 1: and we just have to like move forward with this information,
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 1: right instead of like again trying to figure out why
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 1: women are so delusional about their preferences. Part of this
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 1: problem may lie in the design of the technology itself,
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 1: that it is so picture based, in combination with the
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 1: enormous demand women face on dating apps, pushes women to
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 1: be very focused on men's physical attractiveness. In our traditional
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 1: offline environments, men place higher premium on physical attractiveness than women.
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 1: But because apps are so visual and women need to
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 1: filtrate online suitors based on something, women lean heavily into
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 1: their short term mate preferences, favoring good looks. What if
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 1: dating apps were made specifically to make money off of men? Though,
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 1: because I mean, like it's it's it seems like there
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 1: are more men than women on them. I think that
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 1: they are like, this is a business, right, the dating
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 1: app thing is a business. They make money. What if
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 1: they just make money off of catering the actual app
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 1: towards men's preferences. Isn't that the reason why bumble came
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 1: to exist? As like the feminists, I don't know the
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 1: feminist alternative to Tinder and whatever they're using these days, hinge.
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 1: I wonder, because I bet you that the dating dating
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 1: apps make a lot money off of men's memberships. In fact,
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 1: I think that there was one. I don't remember which
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 1: one it was, but there was one. I think it
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 1: was like free for a woman to sign up, but
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 1: it costs men money. So I just saying that because
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 1: they're blaming the apps right for why women are not
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 1: finding suitable partners, but they're not acknowledging that the apps
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 1: were probably designed with men in mind, which is why
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 1: do you know what I'm saying? They're trying to make
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 1: money off of that.
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, it's fine, all right.
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 1: Anyway, Dating app users also tend to be more short,
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 1: short term oriented. Yeah, they want to bang. These various
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 1: factors which work against assortative pairing leads some experts to
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 1: place parts of the blame for today's dysfunctional mating on
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 1: digital apps. Some believe that if only we could return
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 1: to the analog dating of the two thousands and earlier,
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 1: perhaps people would have an easier time partner. Yeah, but okay,
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 1: you guys don't want you think you guys obviously think
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 1: that marriage is oppressive or something because the church forced
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 1: it on people or something like that. So you're you're
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 1: gonna bring this up as though you're paying lip service.
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 1: But you've got to throw that out right, because that's
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 1: like a definitely a done deal. Okay. Regardless of how
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 1: unlikely it seems that young people would give up on
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 1: dating apps, we believe such a development would have but
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 1: a limited effect. Apps reflect and accentuate the modern world's
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 1: mating challenges, But the main underlying driver of increased singletom,
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 1: we argue, is how some groups of men have lost
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 1: so much utility to women that fewer fulfilled women's requirements
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 1: for a long term partner. Indeed, the Norwegian mating debate
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 1: offers numerous examples of women who express that men are
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 1: no longer good enough. Ravatan, Ravatan. I guess I don't know.
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 1: Some Norwegian guy wrote quote now that women no longer
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 1: need men. Men must have something to offer and women
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 1: must be willing to put up with them. Books like
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 1: why there are no good men left the romantic plight
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 1: of the new single woman validate such female choosiness. Okay,
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 1: do you want to say anything to that? No, Okay,
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 1: I'm just.
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 2: Going to Okay, I was about to say sorry, I'm sorry, Brian.
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 2: Government bureaucracy takes resources away from men and gives them
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 2: to women, which causes the birth rate to crater, which
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 2: will eventually cause our civilization to collapse, including the government bureaucracy,
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 2: because they'll have no more tax money. So maybe they
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 2: should just stop doing that, Like why was they ever justified?
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 2: Like I'm pretty sure? Like again, I'm pretty sure that
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 2: whole taking from one category of person for no other
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 2: reason than the color of their baby rap and giving
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 2: it to another category of person for no other reason
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 2: than the color of their baby rap. We went through
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 2: all that and we ended it, but somehow it just
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 2: crept back in. And why why is it justified? Like
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 2: this is the foundaational question here. Why is this justified
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 2: in the first place? We're creating we have this whole
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 2: downstream problem. Okay, men are no longer reproductively attractive because
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 2: the government has taken their money away. Well, don't do
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 2: that then, But these people's proposal is that men have
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 2: become unreproductively unattractive because the government has taken their money away,
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 2: So let's do more of that. Okay, and then and
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 2: then the other thing is that they won't even consider
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 2: you know, when women say there are no good men,
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 2: the influence of telling them that their relationships with men
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 2: are status hierarchies or status contests that they always lose,
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 2: so the only way to win is to maximize the
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 2: man you lose to. Maybe that has an influence on
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 2: their attitude. No, Like, there's plenty of other options we
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 2: could pursue aside from taking money from men to give
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 2: to women, which is the thing that caused the problem
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 2: in the first place, presumably according to them, Like that's
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 2: that's what's hilarious about this. They're they're saying, Yeah, this
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 2: is where the problem started, let's do more of it.
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 2: Surely that will solve things. Usually doesn't. But okay, and
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 2: again these are the guys, Like the reason why we
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 2: have to talk about this is people like this have
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 2: an ungodly influence over policy. Yep, Like there are there
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 2: are And I wonder why he I mean, because the
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 2: conclusion that they've come to is that government bureaucracy. It's
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 2: gonna be solved by government bureaucracy getting its pause into
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 2: people's wallets some more. Right, I wonder why government bureaucracy.
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 1: Happens to be where they always land. You know what
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 1: we can do is we can create more government.
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 2: More more bureaucrats.
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 1: You want to vote for that, Yes, you.
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 2: Want to vote for getting more money for men? Good?
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 2: Lord like, if you actually think about it, this is
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 2: horrifying and there is no justification for it. Let's let's uh,
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 2: let's take money for men. Oh the women don't find
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 2: men attractive anymore. Well, let's take some more money from men.
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 2: And also, yeah, this is this is totally justified, guys,
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 2: totally that will solve everything.
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 1: God knows.
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 2: Increasing the size of bureaucracy has always solved every problem.
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, just said, throw more of that in there. Regardless
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 1: of how unlikely it seems that young people would give
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 1: up on dating apps, we believe such a development would
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 1: have but a limited effect. Apps reflect and accentuate the
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 1: modern world's mating challenges. But the main underlying driver of
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 1: increased singletom, we argue, is how some groups of men
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 1: have lost so much utility to women already read that
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 1: part right, I'm sorry dating because yeah, there was a
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 1: woman who wrote a paper call. There are no good
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 1: men left the romantic plight of the new single woman.
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 1: Dating apps do facilitate women to direct much of their
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 1: mating effort at the most sought after men, with whom
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 1: pair bonding is an unlikely outcome. Yes, but the fact
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 1: that dating apps play a part in how most men
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 1: have little or no access to short term mating is
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 1: off is of limited relevance to their ability to attract
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 1: a partner. Promiscuous mating has always been a lopsided affair
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 1: for men. Low value men could never rely on promiscuity
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 1: as their mating strategy. If a lack of apps made
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 1: women more willing to date men of similar mate value,
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 1: the outcome would be more pair.
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 2: Bonding or you know, okay, I just want to say
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 2: one short thing. The ugly sociopaths give lie to that
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 2: because it is not just physical appearance, it is the
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 2: sociopathic personality style. As long as you can, and I
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 2: don't know, pretend to be a highly confident social like
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 2: really invested in a woman, she'll be She'll she'll warm
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 2: to you even if your ugliest sin. So it's not
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 2: completely visual. But you have to be a sociopath. That's
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 2: the thing. You don't get the sociopath. But buff if
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 2: you're not a sociopath or is that like a racial
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 2: stat sociopathic racial stat plus charisma plus something. Yeah, that's that's.
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you have to be a sociopath to get that.
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 2: I don't know if we want to encourage that. So
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 2: she passed breeding, but there you go. Okay, I'd continue
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 2: brod all right.
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 1: So if a lack of APPS made women more willing
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 1: to date men of similar mate value, the outcome could
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 1: be more pair bonding, or at least the slower decline,
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 1: as more well matched men and women would have a
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 1: chance to meet and fall in love. But this alone
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 1: could probably not solve the fertility crisis. So that's the
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 1: end of that section. So next is our emotions do
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 1: not work for us, but for our genes. Another possibility,
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 1: possibly relevant aspect, is that from the perspective of our genes,
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 1: pair bonding is not necessarily the best option for reproduction.
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 1: A benefit of short term mating.
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 2: What that's bullshit.
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 1: Let's see what they say. Yeah, let's see their argument.
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 1: A benefit of short term mating is that most women
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 1: can gain access to higher quality genes than through pair
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 1: bonding with a man. Of matching made value our long
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 1: term strategies go ahead.
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 2: Why do people think that this is higher quality genes? Like, honestly,
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 2: why is a man who has got a sociopathy if
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 2: a woman?
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 1: If a man gives a woman the tingles, it must
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 1: be because he has higher quality genes.
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but if we're pair bonders, higher quality genes also
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 2: mean attachment and custodial behavior and parental paternal investment. Right,
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 2: So I don't know this. I feel like this is
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 2: higher quality of genes on a very narrow pie slice
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 2: of what we should actually be looking at. Just a
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 2: thought continued.
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 1: I agree. I'm I said that because I think that
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 1: it's ridiculous that what according to the people who writing
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 1: this essay, it appears that what makes women, you know,
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 1: like get the tingles down under is actually, like you know,
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 1: the reason, like basically, she's for certain a really good
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 1: judge of genes and she's gonna get the high quality
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 1: genes because there's nothing about her ability to like essentially
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 1: discern whether or not a man is going to be
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 1: a good father that sticks around and raises his kids,
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 1: and is that she is a good match for that,
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 1: she's going to be able to work with and build
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 1: a life together. No, it's just like she's got, she's wet,
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 1: that's got. It must be because of his genes. That's
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 1: the only reason. And that and it's right, it's not
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 1: just about the genes. It's about the the the pair bonding,
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 1: the commitment, the the the ability to stick around and
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 1: raised children who need like from birth, they're completely helpless
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 1: for like a great deal of their early life. And
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 1: guess what you need for that? Yeah, a man. A
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 1: man would be great, but a big deal. It would
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 1: be a big deal. So it's not it's not that scientific,
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 1: it's not that intelligent, And it's basically making an emotional
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 1: appeal for women's in the moment preferences over what is
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 1: probably best. Like there was a reason why in old villages,
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 1: the you know we had like elders that could like
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 1: pass wisdom onto their kids that would be mothers and
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 1: fathers right or potential you know parents that are looking
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 1: to pair, bond and start a family. They needed to
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 1: know who was the man that was you know, going
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 1: to be a good father who was the woman that
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 1: was going to be a good mother. So it's not
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 1: just like, oh, I'm wet, so this guy must be
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 1: good enough. No. Anyway, our long term strategies evolved because
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 1: more demanding offspring made by parental care increasingly beneficial, but
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 1: short term mating remained an alternative, conditional strategy even after
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 1: our ancestors evolved. The capacity for antic love. If a
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 1: woman experienced that no available partner offered sufficient benefit, her
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 1: emotions could motivate her to opt for a higher value
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 1: man unwilling to bond. Their offspring's mortality risk could increase some,
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 1: but contributions from kin, especially my maternal grandmothers, could help make
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 1: single motherhood the better option, at least from the perspective
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 1: of her genes. So what were you going to say?
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 2: I still think that, Well, first of all, paternal investment
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 2: is a genetic fitness. So again I think this is
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 2: just looking at everything on a very narrow, a narrow
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 2: axis which just rewards attractive sociopaths. Which you know, there's
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 2: a reason why there's a very they're a minority, right,
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 2: It's because they're not actually reproductively functional. I mean, there
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 2: is there is probably an argument to be said that
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 2: female sociopaths reproduce more than average, so maybe that's why
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 2: they continue generation after generation. Good lord, why can't we
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 2: get But anyway, why would like male sociopaths are not
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 2: reproductively viable, Like, they're not, they're not on the peak
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 2: of reproductive fitness. They're not actually alphas. They are they're
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 2: employing a strategy of creating a sexual superstimulus. So essentially,
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 2: what they do is they replicate the behavior of a
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 2: man who's attached to a woman before any reasonable attachment
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 2: has occurred. So they replicate the behavior of a man
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 2: prior to a woman successfully courting him to the point
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 2: where he has become, you know, he's bonded to her,
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 2: and they replicate that particular behavior without any investment by
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 2: the woman. And because women, I guess, like a free lunch,
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 2: they just jump all over that shit without being like, wait,
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 2: something's wrong here, Like I haven't constructed a situation where
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 2: you should feel this comfortable with me. I haven't given
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 2: you enough information for you to be this familiar with
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 2: me or this confident. And again it comes back to
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 2: what I've been saying for a while now, Like the
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 2: average dude in the face of a strange woman is
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 2: not going to be super comfortable, confident, or familiar by
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 2: definition because she's strange, right, she got he has to
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 2: get to know her a bit. Even if he's very outgoing,
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 2: he's still going to be somewhat reserved. And in part
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 2: it's going to be because a man who can bond
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 2: has something to lose. So sh paths don't bond, or
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 2: or at least the non disregulated ones don't. The disregulated
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 2: ones have disregulated bonds, but we'll least set that aside.
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 2: They don't bond, so they have nothing to lose. They
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 2: can jump down your throat with all that attention and
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 2: strange attonement and confidence and just be like, provide that
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 2: super stimulus, the woman thinks she's getting something, and then
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 2: he's out the door the next day. That's a reproduct.
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 2: That is a sexual strategy, but it's not evolutionary viable
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 2: because human beings need the contribution of both parents to
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 2: survive to adulthood. So it is a parasitic strategy, but
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 2: it would it doesn't survive in a world where there
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 2: isn't anything to parasitize on, where there is no kin
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 2: support of women where there is no welfare, right, sociopaths,
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 2: you know, you know, the Inuit would just put them
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 2: on a you know, they put chat on an ice
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 2: floe and be like, hey, the bears can have you.
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 2: Thank you. You know, in other eras they just kill them,
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 2: hang them on with you. Right, you get himself shot
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 2: in a duel like this is this is not a
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 2: behavior that he's usually tolerated, and it's only tolerated in
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 2: our society because of welfare and the fact that the
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 2: disasters that these men leave we are all collectively deciding
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 2: to take care of. But in an evolutionary sense, this
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 2: man leaves a disaster. He leaves a dead kid and
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 2: a dead woman, which is why the Inuit put them
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 2: on ice floes and let the colar bears eat them. Right,
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 2: these are parasites. In no way are these men reproductively fit.
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 2: And that's the problem. Women aren't choosing reproductively fit men.
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 2: They're choosing I don't like cockroaches, like they're choosing the
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 2: bottom of the barrel. And they're doing so because the
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 2: bottom of the barrel is learned to present a super stimulus,
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 2: a sexual superstimulus to women. That's his only trick, and
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 2: our society is convinced women. Feminists have convinced women that
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 2: dealing with the behavioral bullshit of cockroaches is being independent,
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 2: is being emotionally independent, and that the behavior of men
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 2: who actually have something to lose is somehow misogyny. That's
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 2: the other thing. That's the other foot, Like if he
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 2: doesn't immediately warm to you, if he's a little bit
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 2: you know, like I don't know, if he's hesitant, if
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 2: he's somewhat resistant, if he doesn't have the verbal fluidity
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 2: that you expect, you know, all of this, what is
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 2: this categorized less attractive? And yet he's perfectly he's perfectly
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 2: capable of bonding, showing up, taking care of his kids.
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 2: These aren't reproductively fit characteristics, right, And again there's this
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 2: whole mythology that's grown up around Oh, they just want
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 2: the natural alphas. Bullshit. These men aren't natural alphas. They're
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 2: one trick ponies. And the problem is that our our
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 2: society's and women's immune system to recognize these guys has
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 2: been dis what's the word for it, disarmed by feminist nonsense. Okay,
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 2: like and and they're no longer able to actually recognize quality.
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 2: Am I being too crude and rude, like, like I
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 2: really want to get shake people from this notion that
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 2: women are going after alphas. They're not. They're going after
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 2: the men who can simulate a particular quality, particular sexual superstimulus.
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 2: And that sexual stupious superstimulus is the behavior of a
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 2: bonded man towards his bond target, you know, confident, very
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 2: like he already knows who she is, so she he's familiar,
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 2: and he's comfortable with her, right, and there's an intensity
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 2: there and that's what they simulate, and women think that
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 2: that's uh. I think for whatever reason, most women they
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 2: look at that behavior and they don't think in their mind,
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 2: where the hell did that come from? Like that would
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 2: be the first thing my thought would be, like, I
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 2: don't know you from Adam, the hell are you doing?
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 2: But apparently that's not for most women, which might actually
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 2: speak to the oxytocin generalist, which is most women absent
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 2: any kind of stress or discomfort. And me, which I
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 2: think i'm pretty pretty strongly V one A r B
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 2: v one A cross activated. But yeah, I'd like if
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 2: a guy starts doing that shit to me, I'm like,
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 2: get away from me. I don't know who the hell
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 2: you are. But for most women, they think that, oh
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 2: my god, this is the one and again it's just
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 2: a one trick pony who can simulate a sexual superstimulus.
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 2: And ironically, that sexual superstimulus is the behavior of a
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 2: man who is pair bonded to a woman, but without
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 2: the pair bond, Like the guys are just acting like
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 2: your husband, but they're not, and you haven't done anything
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 2: to earn it. And that's the other thing. Women think
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 2: that they don't have to do anything to earn anything,
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 2: which leaves them wide open for these men. So instead
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 2: of stopping and saying, hey, where did this come from?
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 2: Why are you behaving to me? Like we are like
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 2: six months into an intense courtship and I just met
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 2: you five minutes ago. I didn't earn this. What the
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 2: hell are you giving me this for? They're like, oh
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 2: my god, he's so wonderful. And that's what they call
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 2: love bombing, right, you know you notice that women talk
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 2: about this, Yeah, that is the one trick ponies super stimulus.
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 2: And then when he has accessed what he wants, he's
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 2: out the door, and then the women are left wondering
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 2: what the hell happened? But they can't. They can't actually,
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 2: well who do they direct their hire to. So they
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 2: just say, you know, this is I'm just going to
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 2: be a strong and independent woman and I'm not going
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 2: to have any emotional expectations. That's what feminism tells me.
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 2: Like it's a fucking joke. And again, these aren't alphas.
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 2: An alpha man is someone who is reliable throughout. Like
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 2: if you look at what cross culturally, people regard to
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 2: be a a top man, like a man who's up
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 2: in the hierarchy, generous, reliable, takes care of people paternal
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 2: right that that this is the top of the hierarchy.
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 2: Generous is very important, right for the big man's thing.
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 2: It's a all over the world. But the idea is
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 2: that he takes care of people, right, he shows up
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 2: when people need something. That is the universal alpha. Whatever
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 2: the hell has popped out of whatever cockroach has popped
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 2: out of the dung pile that is modern dating. That's
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 2: not like scurried its way up to the top. That's
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 2: not an alpha by no mean, right. Okay, Okay, that was.
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 1: Crude, but well no, no, it's fine. I got about
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 1: five minutes, so Okay, do you have like that analysis
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 1: thing you want to do or something, or.
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 2: I do haven't. How much more of the paper do
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 2: we have left? I think it's gonna be.
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 1: Oh, we're like like no, We're like not even happening. No, No,
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 1: we're gonna be we gotta go. We can go through
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 1: the whole thing. But I don't not doing it today.
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 1: We can do it in different installments. I do want
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 1: to see what else they offer. But there's the only
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 1: thing I want to add to this though, too, is
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 1: they said that we evolve the capacity for romantic love.
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 1: I don't think that's true. I don't know what they
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 1: mean by romantic love. I'm guessing they mean the romantic
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 1: model of love, which is the romantic chivalry slash romantic
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 1: courtship slash gynocentrism. I don't think that's biological. But so yeah,
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think again, this is another one of
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 1: those things where they're taking something that probably was a
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 1: bit anathema to our nature and then applied it like
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 1: you know, a rite or an invention, like the birth
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 1: control pills, some new technology, and they apply it and
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 1: they act like it's again, it's something that can't be
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 1: undone well, we evolved it, therefore it's hard science. Therefore
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 1: we can't do anything about it. So now we got
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 1: to unravel all of society need to like please women
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 1: because hey, we get we can't help that we evolve
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 1: romantic love and the church forced marriage on women and
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 1: you know, dating apps exist, birth control pill it's all
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 1: like stuff out of the control of women basically.
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but what's really funny. What's really funny is when
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 2: you're reading through the lines here, what they're proposing is
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 2: something women don't want either, right, the they're they're proposing
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 2: a system in which there's a massive amount of women
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 2: who are in sayings, you don't get relationships. Women are miserable. Yeah,
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 2: women aren't having necessarily having sex with these sociopaths just
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 2: because they want to be pumped and dumped, even though
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 2: the feminists tell them to swallow it and being a
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 2: strong independent woman. Right, there's nobody is happy with this,
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 2: So we're not even priority. We're not even like maintaining
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 2: female happiness because nobody's happy. But what what paragraph are
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 2: we at? I'm curious what paragraph?
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 1: Our emotions do not work for us, but our genes.
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 2: It's the section I'm on Okay, all right, So why
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 2: don't you read that paragraph. We'll discuss it and then
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 2: we'll know you can get gone.
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 1: All right, all right, So I did finish this paragraph.
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 1: Almost finished? You did almost, I said, even after our ancestors,
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 1: of all the capacity of romantic love, if a woman
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 1: experienced that no available partner offered sufficient benefit, her emotions
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 1: could motivate her to opt for a higher value man
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 1: unwilling to bond. Their offspring's mortality risk could increase some,
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 1: but contributions from ken, especially maaternal grandmothers, could help make
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 1: single motherhood the better option, at least from the perspective
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 1: of her genes.
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 2: No, there weren't like clans of women soloing their way
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 2: through the wilds of prehistoric.
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 1: Like what the hell is that baby?
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 2: No, there wasn't. Okay, this is ridiculous, all right, that
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 2: paragraph is ridiculous. But I'm gonna say something that might
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 2: be a bit of a white pill, because I've been
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 2: looking into human para bonding and I'm not sure what
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 2: they mean this pair paper means, by romantic or how
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 2: you're terming the word romance, there is a specific kind
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 2: of bond between men and women that's unique to them.
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 2: And what's what's interesting is I've been looking into the
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 2: vocal modulation during courtship and this might be this might
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 2: be really interesting to the reader, to the listeners to
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 2: learn about. And I know it's a bit of a digression,
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 2: but it is about pair bonding and it is about
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 2: women's satisfaction with the current arrangement. They looked at speed dating,
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 2: so you'd have a bunch of people who would have
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 2: like a five minute date and then move on. And
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 2: they recorded the interactions of all of these pairs, and
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 2: there were like a lot of them. They corded the
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 2: vocal interactions and you would have what's good for the
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 2: study is that you would have excuse me, excuse me, sir,
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 2: where is he? Shush? There's probably a squirrel out there,
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 2: you know, the squirrel, the dread enemy of the dog. Anyway,
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 2: so you'd have all of these couples. You'd have five
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 2: minutes for each couple, and then they record all of
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 2: the couples and then after they would have who they
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 2: would have them rate who they thought was most attractive,
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 2: and then they would look at the vocal recordings of
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 2: what was going on. And what they found was that
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 2: men so when men court women, particularly in a high
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 2: competition load situation. That means when men court women with
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 2: other rivals around or potential rivals, what they do is
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 2: they lower their pitch and they sort of moved the
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 2: pitch around a bit, like modulate it. And and what
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 2: they found is that men and women okay. And so
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 2: when women court, they court in two different ways depending
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 2: on the man that they're they're in the situation with.
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 2: If the man is conventionally attractive so in other words,
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 2: he's attractive to a wider number of women, she will
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 2: lower her pitch and that that generally signals a peer relationship,
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 2: so I one to one relationship between the man and
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 2: the woman. So she's basically saying it's lowering the pitch
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 2: means that it's like, I want to be respected, we're equals.
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 2: And it's also an indication to rivals. It's like a
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 2: formidability indication to rivals. So the woman lowers her pitch
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 2: with an attractive man. But what's interesting is that if
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 2: it's a man that she finds attractive to her but
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 2: doesn't think he's attractive to the rest of the female group.
• 1:59:06
  Speaker 2: Because that happens, she raises her pitch. And what's interesting
• 1:59:11
  Speaker 2: about raising your pitch as a woman is it's an elicitation.
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 2: So it's trying to invite a man's custodial behavior, so
• 1:59:21
  Speaker 2: that kind of protection and provision behavior towards you. So
• 1:59:24
  Speaker 2: she's actually engaging in the first step of the courtship
• 1:59:30
  Speaker 2: process that ends, you know, with reproduction, you know bed,
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 2: and she's doing that with men she finds attractive, but
• 1:59:38
  Speaker 2: she doesn't think other women find attractive. So there's this too,
• 1:59:42
  Speaker 2: there's these two modes going on with women. And this
• 1:59:45
  Speaker 2: isn't a speed dating situation, where presumably there's a lot
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 2: more factors that you can see in that you know
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 2: in person, you know, posture, how you hold yourself, scent,
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 2: and the sound of your voice. So men tend to
• 1:59:58
  Speaker 2: have a little bit more of an event I know,
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 2: not more of an advantage relative to women, but more
• 2:00:03
  Speaker 2: of an advantage relative to the absolute lack of advantage
• 2:00:06
  Speaker 2: that they have when it comes to tinder and hinge
• 2:00:08
  Speaker 2: and whatever else. So women are actually courting men they
• 2:00:14
  Speaker 2: find uniquely attractive that aren't necessarily attractive to all women.
• 2:00:19
  Speaker 2: So when women are in this kind of situation, they
• 2:00:21
  Speaker 2: are expressing idio idiosyncratic attraction to men. And again, like
• 2:00:28
  Speaker 2: the high, raising the pitch is a courtship signal, mowering
• 2:00:33
  Speaker 2: your pitch is a formidability signal. Right, it's actually not
• 2:00:38
  Speaker 2: engaging the man, it's engaging potential rivals around you to say,
• 2:00:43
  Speaker 2: back off. Raising your pitch is an invitation to bonding
• 2:00:51
  Speaker 2: and to pursuing a relationship. So a lot of the
• 2:00:56
  Speaker 2: problem that we're seeing, I know you don't like to
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 2: blame social media, but a lot of the problems that
• 2:01:03
  Speaker 2: we're seeing is one women can't evaluate men along the
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 2: axes that actually matter, which is MHC immune compatibility, so
• 2:01:17
  Speaker 2: genetic compatibility act. They can't evaluate them in terms of
• 2:01:23
  Speaker 2: their voice, posture, other things. But when they are able to,
• 2:01:30
  Speaker 2: they are selecting for looks matches, and they are eliciting
• 2:01:34
  Speaker 2: those looks matches into a relationship. Which means if you
• 2:01:37
  Speaker 2: just left the women alone and they didn't have to
• 2:01:40
  Speaker 2: deal with their frenemy's opinions, these would result in relationships
• 2:01:45
  Speaker 2: like this would result in pair bonding, and it wouldn't
• 2:01:49
  Speaker 2: be like all the women are after the really attractive men.
• 2:01:52
  Speaker 2: They would be sorting themselves to who they particularly liked
• 2:01:57
  Speaker 2: in particular you know, I thought that might be a
• 2:02:00
  Speaker 2: little bit of a white pill. So we have a
• 2:02:02
  Speaker 2: situation where the apps destroy this, and then you have
• 2:02:07
  Speaker 2: the situation where the intersexual competition between women destroys it.
• 2:02:12
  Speaker 2: Because once the woman gets it, you know, other her
• 2:02:16
  Speaker 2: her friends get in on it. She has she has
• 2:02:19
  Speaker 2: to defend the guy because he's not conventionally attractive. He's
• 2:02:22
  Speaker 2: not gonna make her friends jealous, you know. So it's
• 2:02:25
  Speaker 2: got all of these pressures that are actually selecting against
• 2:02:29
  Speaker 2: women just doing what they want to do, right, And
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  Speaker 2: that's what this is showing, is that women actually do
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  Speaker 2: just want a select the particular guy they find hot,
• 2:02:42
  Speaker 2: which isn't necessarily the same as that what every other
• 2:02:44
  Speaker 2: woman finds hot, and then just go and do their thing,
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  Speaker 2: do the thing that humans have done for how many
• 2:02:50
  Speaker 2: millions of years, just fine before we had apps and
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  Speaker 2: feminis home, you know, and all of this other crap.
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  Speaker 2: So I thought, though, that would be interesting for you
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  Speaker 2: guys to hear that, And it's another nail in the
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  Speaker 2: coffin for this particular study, which and they didn't even
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  Speaker 2: look at that stuff. They didn't look at anything really
• 2:03:13
  Speaker 2: to do with human para bonding, despite the fact they
• 2:03:15
  Speaker 2: have a lot of opinions on it. Right, it's a
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  Speaker 2: nail in the coffin to this study because it shows
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  Speaker 2: that actually women left to their own devices probably would
• 2:03:27
  Speaker 2: choose very idiosyncratically. They would choose partners very very indiosyncratically.
• 2:03:34
  Speaker 2: They would choose men that they find attractive, not men
• 2:03:38
  Speaker 2: all women try and attractive. And I want to emphasize
• 2:03:42
  Speaker 2: this point, like, you don't lower your pitch as a
• 2:03:46
  Speaker 2: woman with a man you're inviting, or a man if
• 2:03:51
  Speaker 2: you do, you raise it. And the reason why is
• 2:03:54
  Speaker 2: because it elicits the custodial behaviors that are a big
• 2:03:57
  Speaker 2: part of para bonding for humans. So anyway, there you go, guys. Uh.
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  Speaker 2: The end conclusion is this paper is not going to
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  Speaker 2: do anything positive for anyone. I think we all knew that.
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  Speaker 3: Though, Yeah, I think so. All right, so uh yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: go ahead. I don't see any super things. I thought
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  Speaker 3: there was something.
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  Speaker 2: Well if you there was another one.
• 2:04:30
  Speaker 1: Richard, Oh yeah. Richard Bierre gave us five dollars and
• 2:04:33
  Speaker 1: said After the cataclysm, the survivors all banned together and
• 2:04:37
  Speaker 1: followed Saint Greta into the Promised Land to rebuild civilization
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  Speaker 1: with the assistance of the benevolent Ai known as Larissa.
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  Speaker 2: Oh god, that was the that's that's the lampooning of
• 2:04:49
  Speaker 2: the feminist utopia again.
• 2:04:50
  Speaker 1: Uh huh, yeah, I know.
• 2:04:54
  Speaker 2: What this paper. This is what this paper is arguing
• 2:04:57
  Speaker 2: for a feminine to utopia where we take more men,
• 2:05:03
  Speaker 2: more money from men to give to women to have
• 2:05:06
  Speaker 2: no babies, and that's going to solve the lack of
• 2:05:08
  Speaker 2: babies the babbies.
• 2:05:10
  Speaker 1: Okay, seems to add up. The math is good, I guess.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, go ahead, and the math maths.
• 2:05:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the math is mathing.
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