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- 0:05At last, unbreakable encryption. Welcome to Mark and Pete, where
- 0:11we're going to look at something that seems like it must be
- 0:15science fiction. This is Mark and Pete 2 blokes
- 0:17with heart and opinion. Now here's our first thought.
- 0:22Securing an award If you've won an award called Turing, after
- 0:27years of enduring and maturing you where unbreakable encryption
- 0:32is securing, then the achievement is reassuring.
- 0:36Yes, quite extraordinary. The US physicist and a Canadian
- 0:39commuter scientists have won this year's Turing Award for
- 0:43their invention of a form of seemingly unbreakable
- 0:47encryption. Charles H Bennett and Giles
- 0:50Broussard's work, which dates back remarkably to 1984, is
- 0:54known as quantum cryptography, and this has redefined secure
- 0:58communications and computing. Mr. Pete, we all know that data
- 1:02security is really important, but technology is moving fast.
- 1:06Quantum computing in particular is something for the future.
- 1:10Let me know your thoughts on this.
- 1:11Is this now a game changer when it comes to data security?
- 1:16Well, it is it, I mean, if this is really is unbreakable, this
- 1:20makes all the difference. Because the big problem, the
- 1:22issue that people have with, with use use of computers, with
- 1:27on use of online cloud based technology, cloud based services
- 1:33is this data breaches and, and, and it, it doesn't seem, it
- 1:38seems almost as though every other day you hear of some
- 1:41massive data breach with some big company who, who thought
- 1:44they were safe. Yes, if you can have an
- 1:46unbreakable encryption, then suddenly, as you say, it's a
- 1:51game changer. It changes things.
- 1:53I mean, for on an individual level, I, I think people who
- 1:59aren't, who aren't really used to the Internet, who are not
- 2:03happy because of this problem of security.
- 2:07But when it comes, I mean, really, if you're talking about
- 2:10being able to have unbreakable encryption, this will change the
- 2:13way that companies can operate and maybe governments as well
- 2:17with their need for high security.
- 2:19So, yeah, I it, it, it's it, it does almost, as I said in the
- 2:23intro, seem like science fiction.
- 2:25What you mean it's impossible to break it?
- 2:28Well, let's hope it's not a fiction, but it because it would
- 2:30be a game changer. Well, indeed.
- 2:33Now the Turing Award, which is named of course after the
- 2:35mathematician the great on Alan Turing, is known as the like the
- 2:41Nobel Prize of of computing. Now it comes with a big prize as
- 2:45well. It's $1 million.
- 2:46That's £800,000. Now, I will say that of course,
- 2:51it's not necessarily the prize per SE, but it's the recognition
- 2:54and the accolade that comes with it.
- 2:56Bennett is 82 and Broussard is 70, both of which of course,
- 3:00been working on this for many, many years.
- 3:03And I will say that any kind of breakthrough, any innovation is
- 3:08really something that I think, you know, we should all really
- 3:11glorify and we should definitely praise.
- 3:13Because the fact is, is that we're in a world now where data
- 3:17is so crucial. Now, current encryption
- 3:20technologies rely on a complex mathematical combination.
- 3:24Now, of course, the actual binary coding in which we've
- 3:27seen computers blossom over the last 40-50 years is something
- 3:32that we should all be proud of. But of course, data security
- 3:35with the, you know, more assets out there, the threat landscape
- 3:38gets even bigger and bigger and bigger.
- 3:40Quantum computing works on a totally different level, working
- 3:43on the principle of qubits. And we won't go into the science
- 3:46of it all now, but the fact is it's it's much more complex in
- 3:51the way in which it actually builds its technology.
- 3:54And if it can be robust, it meaning that your data, your
- 3:57company's data, anybody's data and any system, process and
- 4:01organization can be secure. This is a good thing.
- 4:05Now we should put this in context because of course,
- 4:08obviously this is a great breakthrough, but hasn't been
- 4:11rolled out in a mass production way.
- 4:14We haven't seen this infiltrate into say for example, industry
- 4:17yet. But but we really are starting
- 4:21to see is something that really is going to be a game changer
- 4:24for the future. So when we look back at, you
- 4:27know, over time, I think that many people will be wondering,
- 4:31you know, let's see whether they'll have their own quantum
- 4:34computer in their own home. What's are you about that?
- 4:37Yes, but I think that this is this is the way for because then
- 4:40people will be more confident. I mean, I know there's a high
- 4:43uptake of use of computer and the and the Internet and clouds
- 4:48at to at a certain level, but people just for for good
- 4:52reasons, don't trust it. So if you get to a position
- 4:55where it can be trusted, that's great.
- 4:57Just a note on the irony that it that Turing himself was famous
- 5:01for famous for breaking encryption.
- 5:03But that's that's fascinating that they've managed to get to
- 5:07this level by by using a different method.
- 5:08Of course, if you're using normal computing technology, as
- 5:14you say, based fundamentally on a on a binary code, eventually
- 5:19you're able to break it. But this greater complexity is
- 5:22meant to make it such that you you cannot encrypt it.
- 5:26It's just too complex. However, just a word of course
- 5:31about if someone can be that clever using new technology and
- 5:36new scientific breakthrough to to create something that's
- 5:39unencryptable, someone else will come along and come up with new
- 5:43technology that doesn't does manage to breakthrough, don't
- 5:47you think? Well, I think that one of the
- 5:50things that's interesting here is that Bennett's Brassard's
- 5:54theory, which is actually known as BB8 four of course go back to
- 5:59little bit of history here. But it shows that any attempt to
- 6:02hack or copy their quantum encryption key changes though
- 6:06the the very behaviourist elements and making it almost
- 6:10impossible to do. Now I, I agree with you that
- 6:14what you probably are thinking is is that surely there's a way
- 6:17in which this, this could be hacked in some form.
- 6:20Well. What I'm thinking is maybe,
- 6:22maybe not yet, certainly I I don't know how to do, but I'm
- 6:26just saying not maybe not yet, but at some point there will be.
- 6:29But Oh yes, I mean, I'm sure that at some point that as
- 6:32quantum technology develops, is anything really, you know,
- 6:37unbreakable? Having said that, even having
- 6:40said that, you know, even the best vault, you know, physical,
- 6:44physical security can be broken in the end.
- 6:48Well, indeed, now in fact, actually, the Association of
- 6:50Computer Machinery, the body that awards the Turing Award,
- 6:53praised their work as the pathway to towards securing
- 6:57digital communications in the decades ahead.
- 7:00Well, you know, these are our thoughts.
- 7:01We think it's great. Maybe this could be the way
- 7:04forward and we'll start to see it even in our own lifetime.
- 7:08But our great listeners, let's unlock your thoughts and hack
- 7:13into your opinions. What do you think about this
- 7:16achievement?