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The Next Round: Josh Pate: Is Florida an SEC Power? Texas Questions & Trouble at USC | Hour 2 · The Next Round

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  Speaker 1: Hey, back with you now as we roll into hour
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  Speaker 1: number two. Josh Pate was there, Texas and Tennessee. He
• 0:07
  Speaker 1: was there when they said, man, 50% off alcohol sales
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  Speaker 1: if you go into the stadium at 9 a.m. just
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  Speaker 1: to get everybody inside the stadium because the president was coming.
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  Speaker 1: In other words, the president's here, right? Basically, I'm bad
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  Speaker 1: at math. That's not buy one, get one free, but
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  Speaker 1: it's pretty close, right?
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  Speaker 2: It's a really, really good deal that it's not buy one,
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  Speaker 2: get one free. But they only did it for an hour. Like,
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  Speaker 2: extend it.
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  Speaker 1: Well, to get you in. I know, but extend it
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  Speaker 1: a little bit longer. And it's also 9 a.m., so
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  Speaker 1: that's a problem. The video shot of Air Force One,
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  Speaker 1: the one that everyone is using, was off of Josh
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  Speaker 1: Pate's phone.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, wow.
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  Speaker 1: How about that? The Air Force One over Neyland Stadium.
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  Speaker 1: It was a better shot than ABC actually got of
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  Speaker 1: Air Force One flying. Josh Pate College Football Show. Did
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  Speaker 1: you watermark it, Josh? Has it got a watermark on
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  Speaker 1: there so everybody sees the Pate State train?
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  Speaker 3: You're smart enough to know watermarking means nothing. Someone will
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  Speaker 3: just crop it and put their own watermark on it.
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  Speaker 3: I'm sure you guys haven't had personal experience with that.
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  Speaker 3: Can I tell you a story?
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: We love stories. All day.
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  Speaker 3: This is between us. Let's not let this get out public.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. Nobody watches this show.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Air Force One comes in. Game starts. Secret Service
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  Speaker 3: comes down there. Second quarter. Will you come up there
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  Speaker 3: to talk to the president for a second? I don't
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  Speaker 3: feel like I have much option. So, yeah, I'll come
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  Speaker 3: up there with you. I go up to the reinforced
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  Speaker 3: box that all the important people are in. I said
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  Speaker 3: hey to the president. Glenn Jacobs is in the box.
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  Speaker 1: Kane.
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  Speaker 3: I've never met Glenn Jacobs in person, but I grew
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  Speaker 3: up a huge pro wrestling fan. So I very disrespectfully,
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  Speaker 3: in retrospect, sort of have my back to the president
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  Speaker 3: because Cain has my attention in this box. And I
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  Speaker 3: proceed to talk to Glenn Jacobs for like 20 minutes
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  Speaker 3: about everything late 90s WWF. And all these people, including
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  Speaker 3: Secret Service, are in this confined area in disbelief. that
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  Speaker 3: someone is not like totally enamored with the fact that
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  Speaker 3: they're in the room with the president. I was enamored
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  Speaker 3: that I'm in the room with Kane because that has
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  Speaker 3: more impact on a kid that grew up in the
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  Speaker 3: late 90s than anything else. So everyone else will tell
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  Speaker 3: that story differently. My story is. I got to meet
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  Speaker 3: Glenn Jacobs Saturday. And I got a mild sunburn in
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  Speaker 3: late September. I couldn't be happier.
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  Speaker 1: It would have been fantastic if Kane was only distracting
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  Speaker 1: you and then he had tagged the president in who
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  Speaker 1: threw an elbow into the back of your head. If
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  Speaker 1: Donald Trump had elbowed you in the back of the head,
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  Speaker 1: that would have been a classic 1990s wrestling move.
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  Speaker 3: If you think about it, Dunaway, there are multiple WWE
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  Speaker 3: Hall of Famers in that suite.
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  Speaker 1: They're both in the Hall of Fame. That is true.
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  Speaker 1: It's true.
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  Speaker 3: Crazy.
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  Speaker 2: Pate, through four games, what is more surprising out of
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  Speaker 2: the SEC for you? Is it the fact that Florida
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  Speaker 2: is 4-0 in the way they've looked, or Oklahoma at 2-2,
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  Speaker 2: and how bad this offense is once again in 2026?
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  Speaker 3: Maybe I'm stupid, but Oklahoma is still the bigger surprise
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  Speaker 3: to me. I say stupid because I really was convinced
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  Speaker 3: it would be better this year. You remember two years ago,
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  Speaker 3: I guess it was, when Georgia struggled to run the ball.
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  Speaker 3: They were still good, but they struggled to run the ball.
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  Speaker 3: And then Kirby and his entire staff spent all spring
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  Speaker 3: and all summer trying to get that fixed. And they
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  Speaker 3: fixed it. They were in the 30s in rushing success
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  Speaker 3: last year. So we've seen Georgia be there, and they
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  Speaker 3: pulled the nose up, and it worked. Oklahoma sounded like
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  Speaker 3: they were committed to doing the same thing. It was
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  Speaker 3: the only thing that people emphasized around there the entire winter, spring, summer.
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  Speaker 3: And now they still can't run the ball. And John Mateer,
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  Speaker 3: if anything, looks worse. than he's ever looked at any
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  Speaker 3: point pre or post-injury last year. Everyone's throwing blame all
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  Speaker 3: which way. And then in the middle of all that,
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  Speaker 3: you've got the contract extension that they gave him, sort
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  Speaker 3: of just voluntarily. I don't know that there was a
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  Speaker 3: big market for Brent to leave Oklahoma. And I watched
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  Speaker 3: that happen. And anytime someone gives a big contract extension,
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  Speaker 3: especially when there's not a big market for it, I'm
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  Speaker 3: still dumb enough to sit here and assume they must
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  Speaker 3: know something I don't know. No. No, they're probably just
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  Speaker 3: as shocked as everyone else. And I mean, look, I
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  Speaker 3: said to someone else this morning, if you feel sorry
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  Speaker 3: for Oklahoma and they were like, yeah, I do. I said,
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  Speaker 3: don't look at the rest of their schedule. Don't look
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  Speaker 3: at what they still got coming up because I don't
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  Speaker 3: know if it's a bowl team. I don't know if
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  Speaker 3: it's a six win team. And this was a team
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  Speaker 3: that you guys heard it as well as I did.
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  Speaker 3: A lot of folks had them in their playoff bracket.
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  Speaker 3: A lot of folks were thinking, man, they take the
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  Speaker 3: next step. They may be a dark horse national title
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  Speaker 3: team this year. And I can't call that stupid because
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  Speaker 3: I kind.
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  Speaker 1: Of felt the same way. I was like, yeah, that tracks.
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  Speaker 3: Going to be really good defensively. Surely they'll get the
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  Speaker 3: run game fixed. I like Mateer kind of with an
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  Speaker 3: entire year in this situation. I say system, but he's
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  Speaker 3: still playing for the same coordinator he came there with.
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  Speaker 2: They suck.
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  Speaker 3: They're terrible. I got nothing else to say about it.
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  Speaker 1: I know you make fun of people on your show
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  Speaker 1: like me who just overreact to things instantly. How close
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  Speaker 1: is Florida in your mind to being the best team
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  Speaker 1: in the SEC right now? I've overreacted, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, they're pretty close. If you were to wipe the
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  Speaker 3: slate clean and just pay attention to what you've seen
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  Speaker 3: this year so far, or to put it another way,
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  Speaker 3: if Texas had the exact on-field results that Florida did
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  Speaker 3: so far this year, they would be a slam-dunk number
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  Speaker 3: one team in the SEC, number one team in college football.
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  Speaker 3: So seemingly the only thing that would be holding someone
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  Speaker 3: back is still clinging to some preconceived notions. And still
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  Speaker 3: clinging to the doubt, rightfully so, that's been baked into
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  Speaker 3: the psyche from watching Florida the past few years. Also,
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  Speaker 3: maybe you still doubt John Summerall because he hasn't proven enough.
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  Speaker 3: If you want to feel that way, that's fine. I
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  Speaker 3: feel the same way about Alabama. I feel the same
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  Speaker 3: way about Oklahoma State randomly. We're going into week five, man.
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  Speaker 3: We're past the quarter poll of the season. You've got
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  Speaker 3: to stop paying attention to what you felt in media
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  Speaker 3: day season and look at what your eyes have seen
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  Speaker 3: in the regular season. And here's the other part about that.
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  Speaker 3: Why am I to believe that we've seen the best
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  Speaker 3: of Florida? Maybe that's a new quarterback down there. This
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  Speaker 3: is a new staff down there. There's still a bunch
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  Speaker 3: of new down there. So they've actually got room to
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  Speaker 3: where by the time they play Georgia, Dunaway, for all
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  Speaker 3: we know, that's the game of the year in the SEC,
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  Speaker 3: for all we know. Because I guarantee you people didn't
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  Speaker 3: circle Keelan Russell and Kamario Taylor and say, boy, that
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  Speaker 3: week five matchup, that may be the quarterback matchup of
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  Speaker 3: the year. But you know what? It may be the
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  Speaker 3: quarterback matchup of the year. So yeah, I think Florida's.
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  Speaker 1: Way up there.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's insane. That they're, what, number eight or
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  Speaker 3: something like that in the AP poll?
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  Speaker 1: It's just dumb.
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  Speaker 3: I've said that word a lot so far. Fortunately, I'm
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  Speaker 3: not talking about myself or you or anyone associated with
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  Speaker 3: this show in this context. Like, I was reading a
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  Speaker 3: guy's explanation for his AP ballot today. And he said
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  Speaker 3: something like, well, I had Florida in the 20s, and
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  Speaker 3: I didn't want to bump them up too many spots.
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  Speaker 3: That's nonsense talk. It's not real.
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  Speaker 2: None of this is real.
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  Speaker 3: Rankings aren't real. You should feel free bumping someone up
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  Speaker 3: 50 spots. If the results supersede what you thought, then
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  Speaker 3: what you thought is irrelevant. Florida's one of the best
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  Speaker 3: teams in the country so far.
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  Speaker 1: And with that said, you watch with your own eyeballs.
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  Speaker 1: The team, the Associated Press, says it's number one. And
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  Speaker 1: you would have a hard argument saying it's the best
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  Speaker 1: team in the SEC. Sure.
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  Speaker 3: I think there's a big difference in how you would
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  Speaker 3: rank a team based on merit and justification versus who
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  Speaker 3: you really think. I think Ohio State's still better than Texas,
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  Speaker 3: but I wouldn't rank Ohio State above Texas because they
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  Speaker 3: played and Texas won. The thing I would be very
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  Speaker 3: proud of if I'm Steve Sarkeesian or if I'm a
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  Speaker 3: Texas fan, the thing I would take great pride in
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  Speaker 3: is They didn't run the ball incredibly well the other day.
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  Speaker 3: There were long stretches where Arch looked ordinary to below average,
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  Speaker 3: but they have several facets of that team that can
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  Speaker 3: win games for them. And one of them that probably
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  Speaker 3: got overlooked in the preseason just because of the attention
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  Speaker 3: that Arch commands is their defense. They can win games defensively.
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  Speaker 3: I'd go a step further. That's a defensive-oriented team. And
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  Speaker 3: that's probably what they're going to have to be, which
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  Speaker 3: flies in the face of of the reason most people
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  Speaker 3: believed in them, the ones that did, because they believe
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  Speaker 3: in them because they think offense is going to do this,
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  Speaker 3: and they did that in the portal at running back,
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  Speaker 3: and Cam Coleman this, and Ryan Wingo that. That's great.
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  Speaker 3: But they're not plus at quarterback. Arch Manning's a plus name,
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  Speaker 3: but that performance level's not plus at quarterback. But Colin
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  Speaker 3: Simmons is. Those defensive pieces are. So if they got
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  Speaker 3: to win a game 16-9, then they'll go win a
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  Speaker 3: game 16-9. The only question with them, I fully believe
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  Speaker 3: they deserve to be ranked number one. The question with
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  Speaker 3: them is going to come when they got to face
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  Speaker 3: Keelan Russell, they got to face Trinidad Chambliss, Darian Mensah,
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  Speaker 3: whatever the future has in store for them. There are
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  Speaker 3: some guys who play this sport that no defense can
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  Speaker 3: completely bottle up. No defense can completely shut down. The
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  Speaker 3: rules don't allow it. The talent those guys possess don't
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  Speaker 3: allow you to completely shut them down. So eventually, Texas
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  Speaker 3: is going to have to trade points with someone. Eventually,
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  Speaker 3: Texas is going to need 35 to win a game.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if they can do it. Then again,
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if the week four version of Texas
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  Speaker 3: is the final version of Texas. If that logic tracked,
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  Speaker 3: Miami wouldn't have sniffed a national title game last year.
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  Speaker 3: Because at this point last year, they hadn't even lost
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  Speaker 3: to Louisville or SMU yet. So we've seen teams turn
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  Speaker 3: corners before and find their gear. And I still leave
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  Speaker 3: that in the cards for Texas to be able to do.
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  Speaker 3: But in the meantime, they're going to have to sort
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  Speaker 3: of patchwork wins together.
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  Speaker 2: You mentioned the quarterback matchup this weekend in Starkville, and
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  Speaker 2: Lebby's done a hell of a job through four games.
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  Speaker 2: And quietly, that resume's not bad when you look at
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  Speaker 2: the domination at Minnesota, the comeback against South Carolina on
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  Speaker 2: the road, and then knocking off Missouri this past week.
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  Speaker 2: How far can Kamario Taylor take this team, though? They've
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  Speaker 2: got four more top tens still left on the schedule.
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  Speaker 3: I think they can bite any one of those teams
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  Speaker 3: because of what the quarterback position means in this sport.
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  Speaker 3: So they're going to be underdogs in most to all
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  Speaker 3: of those games. Because the way point spreads are derived
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  Speaker 3: to begin with, like there's point assignation for every position
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  Speaker 3: group and every person on the field. And the grand
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  Speaker 3: sum of that is going to be most of these
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  Speaker 3: teams have more raw talent than Mississippi State. The great
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  Speaker 3: equalizer in the sport of football is the quarterback position.
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  Speaker 3: And that guy has long since shown us that if
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  Speaker 3: he's on, not just any given day, Lance, like any
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  Speaker 3: given portion of one day, he can take over a game.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, they were dead in the water in the
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  Speaker 3: first quarter against South Carolina and still pulled away and
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  Speaker 3: won the game. So, like, this weekend is a huge
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  Speaker 3: barometer to me on so many fronts. It's a barometer
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  Speaker 3: for Bama because they're probably just in the toughest spot
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  Speaker 3: that their schedule has dealt them so far this year. Camario, Taylor,
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  Speaker 3: and Mississippi State are another step out into waters they
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  Speaker 3: have not swam in. So, I mean, really, history shows
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  Speaker 3: that two weeks ago, they should have come back to
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  Speaker 3: earth because they go get that big win at Minnesota.
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  Speaker 3: It's your second week consecutively on the road. You go
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  Speaker 3: to South Carolina. We don't know that South Carolina has
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  Speaker 3: fallen off a cliff yet. And they get up big
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  Speaker 3: on you and then you answer the bell. So then
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  Speaker 3: you're doubly due down when you come home against a
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  Speaker 3: really good quarterback in his own right in Austin Simmons.
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  Speaker 3: And you get off the deck, you answer the bell again,
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  Speaker 3: which by the way, that was probably the game of
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  Speaker 3: the day Saturday in Starkville on SEC Network. And Side note,
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  Speaker 3: that production crew did a great job. I don't know
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  Speaker 3: if you guys were watching that game. When it ended,
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  Speaker 3: they tossed back to the studio in Charlotte, I guess
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  Speaker 3: is where they were, but they kept the live feed
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  Speaker 3: of the stadium going. So it's the studio talking. Instead
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  Speaker 3: of an audio bed or 47 commercials, they're just letting
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  Speaker 3: the scene bake. They're in Starkville, and rarely do you
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  Speaker 3: see that. I don't get to see a lot of
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  Speaker 3: these games live, so maybe that's the norm for them,
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  Speaker 3: but I thought they did a great job producing that. Anyway,
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  Speaker 3: So all that leads to somehow an 11 a.m. kickoff,
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  Speaker 3: but nevertheless, a huge game against Alabama. And you're going
• 12:23
  Speaker 3: to have a standard boilerplate talking point from here on
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  Speaker 3: out about Mississippi State that, oh man, they've never been
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  Speaker 3: in this position before. From here, the rest of the way,
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  Speaker 3: they're just going to be in a bunch of positions
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  Speaker 3: they've never been in before. But I want to remind everyone,
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  Speaker 3: including myself, most of the teams they play are going
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  Speaker 3: to be in a position they've never been in before
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  Speaker 3: because very few defensive coordinators have faced a talent like this,
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  Speaker 3: a quarterback. So it's going to be a lot of
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  Speaker 3: fun to watch.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, McGee, Evan, and Johnson, the receivers against that Bama secondary,
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  Speaker 1: that'll be fascinating to watch as well. Can't wait to
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  Speaker 1: see that one coming up this weekend. Listen, schedules are schedules.
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  Speaker 2: I know that.
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  Speaker 1: And there's a competitive advantage to playing the schedule that
• 13:04
  Speaker 1: Notre Dame and Miami has. I would be mad, Pate,
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  Speaker 1: if I was a Notre Dame or Miami fan. This
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  Speaker 1: could be two of our best teams in a long,
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  Speaker 1: long time. And we don't get to see them in
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  Speaker 1: quality games enough. Could you talk a little bit about
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  Speaker 1: just scheduling? And from the fan perspective, you're the future commissioner.
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  Speaker 1: Notre Dame and Miami, their fans deserve better games.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's multi-layered. All right, so firstly, if I were commissioner,
• 13:29
  Speaker 3: I wouldn't have more than 10 teams in a conference.
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  Speaker 3: Because once you let a couple of conferences grab up
• 13:35
  Speaker 3: most of the value properties in the sport, you end
• 13:37
  Speaker 3: up with conference schedules that look like this. Now, Notre
• 13:39
  Speaker 3: Dame's obviously a different case because they're an independent. Dunaway,
• 13:44
  Speaker 3: I believe scheduling should not be in the hands of
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  Speaker 3: the school. And I believe for a while now, once
• 13:50
  Speaker 3: media rights deals got into the nine-figure range and long-term,
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  Speaker 3: they're in the 10-figure range. You can't leave scheduling at
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  Speaker 3: the hands of Miami or Indiana or Auburn or Indiana
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  Speaker 3: or anyone else. It's too valuable a property. Everyone's talking
• 14:03
  Speaker 3: about expanding the playoffs so we can make more money. Man,
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  Speaker 3: how about take control of your scheduling apparatus in exchange
• 14:10
  Speaker 3: for the media rights dollars that you're going to take
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  Speaker 3: to the bank as a member institution? Being affiliated with
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  Speaker 3: these conferences, you ought to have your schedule dictated to you.
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  Speaker 3: And yeah, it does suck, man. Remember when Georgia was
• 14:22
  Speaker 3: in the SEC East? Even in the SEC, we dealt
• 14:25
  Speaker 3: with this some years where Georgia would have a home
• 14:27
  Speaker 3: schedule and Vandy wasn't good. Kentucky wasn't good. South Carolina
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  Speaker 3: wasn't good. Florida wasn't good. And it's like, maybe Tennessee
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  Speaker 3: will be good. Who do we play from the West
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  Speaker 3: this year? Are we going to play anyone out of conference? Well,
• 14:40
  Speaker 3: this is that times 10. Like Miami has a bunch
• 14:43
  Speaker 3: of injuries right now. No one even knows it because
• 14:45
  Speaker 3: no one's watching their games because they're not even on
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  Speaker 3: the periphery. They're not on the national radar. I'd feel
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  Speaker 3: the same way. So I agree with you. Like, yeah,
• 14:54
  Speaker 3: it's great if you could tell me we're a virtual
• 14:57
  Speaker 3: lot for the playoff. I'm a regular season guy. So
• 15:00
  Speaker 3: I want my regular season to have juice. And if
• 15:02
  Speaker 3: I'm a season ticket holder, I didn't buy season tickets
• 15:06
  Speaker 3: to Allegiant Stadium in Las Vegas. I bought them to
• 15:10
  Speaker 3: Hard Rock Stadium or Notre Dame Stadium. And, man, I'd
• 15:13
  Speaker 3: love to look all due respect to the work Marcus
• 15:16
  Speaker 3: Freeman and Mario are doing. I'd love to walk in
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  Speaker 3: that building and have a little bit of a threat
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  Speaker 3: that we're going to be pushed on one of these
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  Speaker 3: Saturdays here and there. And that is not the case
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  Speaker 3: right now.
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: Josh Pate is with us. The Josh Pate College Football Show,
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: the Don't Tread on Saturday Tour, will literally not be
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: treading on Saturday this week. It will be a Friday
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: night game, Pitt and Virginia Tech, entertaining Friday night game.
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: That's where Pate will be. watch his show on YouTube,
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: the Josh Pate College Football Show, see all of his
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: work throughout the week. He's never been busier than he
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: is right now. He's on my screens all the time. Oh,
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: I see him everywhere. I mean, I go eat at
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: a barbecue place in Tuscaloosa and I look up middle
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: of the day. There's Josh Pate. There's Josh Pate. I
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: like it most when he's on this screen right here.
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: That's our screen. We've already had one person on this
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: platform here today get off the Lincoln-Riley train and leave
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: him at the train station. You did it last night
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: as well.
• 16:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I saw Lance at the station. I mean, that's where,
• 16:10
  Speaker 3: that's where the headway.
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: Lance is all this bad.
• 16:13
  Speaker 3: It was a bad weekend for those of us. And
• 16:16
  Speaker 3: there aren't many who kind of stuck with Lincoln and
• 16:20
  Speaker 3: believed that if we just give him enough time, eventually
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: it'll happen. And we gave him more time and the
• 16:25
  Speaker 3: same stuff kept on happening. So you guys remember last year,
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: Penn state coming into the year, they, they do that
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: big buildup and it's title or bust. And This is
• 16:33
  Speaker 3: the year that James Franklin's going to get over the hump.
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: And he didn't even resist that hype. He fed into
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: that hype because they really believed they had the team
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: to get it done. Ironically, Oregon, of all programs, comes
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: in there early in the year. Oregon gets up big
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: on them. Penn State does storm back, but Oregon wins
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: the game. And I remember at the time, I don't
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: nail much, but I nailed this one. I remember the
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: night after we had our Sunday night show, and I
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: know the Penn State folks really well. And I went
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: on the show and said, I know they just lost
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: one conference game yesterday. But yesterday was way, way, way
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: bigger than one loss. Because I knew the collateral damage
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: that it had or was going to have on the
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: psyche of the program, the psyche of the fan base.
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: Sure enough, they go to UCLA and get popped. They
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: get beat against Northwestern. Season goes off the rails. You
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: just saw a mirror image of that Saturday in Los Angeles.
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: Those people sold out the Coliseum. So they showed up again.
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: They proved they were willing to still be bought in,
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: but with the condition that this better be the year.
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: With the condition that Oregon's coming into our building, this
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: is kind of the one you got to get it
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: done in. And not only do they not win, Dante
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: Moore gets knocked out of the game, and Dylan Raiola
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: still leads Oregon to a double-digit victory over you. So
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: in the aggregate, it's almost the same score as last
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: year in Eugene. Nothing's changed. You've still got the same issues. Defensively,
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: you're on, I don't know, you're like your ninth coordinator.
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: And just everything keeps changing except one constant, and it's
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: Lincoln Riley. So it's time to hit the dump button.
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: So I'm with Lance. We are locked arm in arm.
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: You know how rarely we do that, but we are
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: locked arm in arm, and we have joined the crowd.
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: We are joining the masses and looking at USC and wondering,
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: what's next? That buyout's massive. So I don't know what's next.
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: I just know what's next is not any of the
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: letters C, F, or P.
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, they've got to do something. You look
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: at the culture, too, like the culture at USC and
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: now the culture in Gainesville under John Summerall in one year.
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: It is night and day. How appealing is the job?
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: I mean, I guess it's still really appealing. It's maybe
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: a top 10, top 15 job still.
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: One thousand percent. A slam dunk top 10 job to me.
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: Because everything that you would claim to need to win
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: is there. They just landed a number one recruiting class.
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: So you can't tell me they're not invested in getting talent.
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: They just peeled the sticker off a brand new facility.
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: So you can't tell me facilities-wise you're going to be
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: antiquated out there. You're top of the line. It's Los Angeles.
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: It's USC. It's history. It's now one of the premier
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: institutions in the Big Ten. It's just been irrelevant for
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: a long time because people that don't really belong in
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: positions of making decisions haven't been able to get out
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: of their way. But Jen Cohen's a really good AD.
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: There's a lot to be admired about the nuts and bolts,
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: like the guts of that place. Not perfect. I'm not
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: saying it's perfect. And they've got drama and they've got
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: infighting just like any place else. But you put the
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: right guy out there. And let me put it to
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: you like this. What if Bob Chesney was at USC?
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: What would this year's team look like? The dirty secret
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: right now, USC not the best team in Los Angeles.
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: I know, it's crazy.
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: UCLA is. Bob Chesney hasn't even taken stuff out of
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: the boxes in the house he moved into. And Lincoln's
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: been there half a decade, like Lance said it perfectly.
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: You cannot live in a world where you watch Chesney
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: do what he's doing, or Summerall doing what they're doing,
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: just boom, immediately. And sit there and say, I just
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: need a couple of more years. You don't get that
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: at mid-level programs anymore. You especially don't get it at USC.
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: Not that Maryland is any good, right?
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: Not that they are.
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: Not that they are. But UCLA came cross-country west to east,
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: which is hard to do, played an early game and
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: dismantled them.
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: They're getting better. They can run the football. I didn't
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: think we would get Cignetti 2.0, but what Chesney did
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: at JMU. Like, hey, right now I would take 100%
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: Chesney at USC. Now, what would be interesting, would USC
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: ever hire the UCLA head coach, and would Chesney take
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: that job?
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: I don't know what Bob Chesney would do. I know
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: I would rewrite state law to be able to take
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: him across town to USC. If we could execute a trade,
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: so be it. You know his buyout's $ 8 million?
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: Chesney's is.
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: If the internet is to be believed, $ 8 million.
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh.
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: I'm sure they're working on rewriting that before the end
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: of this. I didn't know that. I just think in
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: this great hiring cycle we just had, where you had,
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: I mean, Penn State was open, Florida, Auburn, LSU, all
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: these jobs. And you looked at UCLA able to pull
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: that off. And here's the great slap in the face.
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: Maryland flirted with the idea of moving on from Mike
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: Loxley last cycle. And Chesney would have been the slam
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: duck candidate. They 100% would have gotten him. He would
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: have been able to stay in the Northeast where he
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: really wanted to stay anyway. And they didn't pull the
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: trigger that they're going to end up pulling now. And
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: they're going to pull it now because the guy they
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: could have had came all the way halfway across the world.
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: And that spread was.
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: One and a half.
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: Oh, I know.
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: They won 54 to three.
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: Oh, I had Maryland.
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, not even close there at the Shell. Hey, listen,
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: I know your wife would never take a victory lap.
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: Does she have anything to do with the Don't Tread
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: on Saturday name and gear? I mean, that's one of
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: those logos and gear that, I mean, I know it's
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: named for this tour this year, but that should never
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: go away. That should be part of your store forever
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: and ever.
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: You're not going to believe this because she is responsible
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: for most of the successful things we do and the
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: good ideas we have. That is 100 percent born in
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: this brain right here. Wow.
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: Wow.
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: Rural Georgia.
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: Like I said, like I said, you won't believe it.
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: I don't believe it. But it just I don't know
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: if you guys have ever had a light bulb moment.
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: I think I've had two or three my whole life.
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: That was one of them done away. You're right. I'm
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: never getting rid of that shirt. I'm never getting rid
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: of that thing.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: And the flags. Every time I try to order a flag,
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: it's always out.
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: Just send me your address.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll take care of that.
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: You don't need to be spending money anywhere around me.
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: We'll take care of that.
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: You talked about it enough. Yeah, that's right. That's what
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: I was fishing for.
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: I knew this got scheduled for a reason. Mission accomplished.
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: That's right.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: Why don't we get Josh Pate on? It's been a minute.
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: Josh Pate's College Football Show on YouTube.
• 23:06
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• 23:06
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• 23:08
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• 23:11
  Speaker 1: always fun, my man. Thank you.
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: Appreciate it, guys.
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: All right, buddy. Take care. Josh Pate with us on
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: the next round. Life's so good, he's giving out free
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: gear now. That's good. We've given enough free gear that
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: you ought to get something. To who? I mean, many people.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: Who's the last person we had on the show Friday?
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: Furman. That's right.
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: Furman got some free stuff.
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: He showed it to the audience.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: We'll have a guest tomorrow on the show, Jeff Collins.
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: I saw some of Jeff's content this weekend. This guy's...
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: The guy's falling into being a media star. He breaks
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: down some tape really good. So Jeff's on the show tomorrow.
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: He's here to coach you.
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: It is.
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: It's 10 Central, 11 Eastern tomorrow. You know how that
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: film's going to act every time. That's right. Every time.
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: If Georgia Tech fans were upset with him, worst.
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: Team in the ACC. Oh, my gosh. The end of
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: that game. That just adds to the Buster Faulkner lore, right? Yeah.
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: They're a disaster.
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: Disaster.
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: The end of that game. What is Mendoza doing? He's
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: running backwards. You've got... You've got third and goal from
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: forever to begin with, and he's just running backwards. And
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: by the way, if they were, like I'm sure on
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: Georgia Tech message boards, they're like, let's get rid of
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: Brent and bring Buster back. Buster won't take the Georgia Tech. No, no, no, no.
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: Just this hiring cycle will have better jobs.
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: It's going to be interesting because you remember Joe Brady
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: after the incredible 2019. That's what everybody's comparing. I mentioned
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: it a couple of weeks ago on the show that
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: this is what the ascension sounds like.
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: I thought you did. I did, yeah. Yeah, that's what
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: I said. You mentioned it because I've had a lot
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: of people saying Lance is right. This is 2019 Joe Brady.
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: But the crazy thing out of that, where did Joe
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: Brady go?
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: In desolation. He's now the head coach of the Bills.
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: But I'm saying he didn't cash in immediately. We were like,
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: he needs to cash in.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: He was Matt Rule's offensive coordinator.
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I'm saying he didn't cash in on a
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: head coaching job.
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he went to the NFL. He went, I think,
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: to Matt Rule. That's right, with the Panthers.
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: Yep and was quickly fired.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: And had to work his way back to where now
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: he's the head coach in buffalo it's.
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: Worked out my point is buster will get a job well.
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: The problem for our boy summerall is he's been too
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: good too quick i mean you probably are only going
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: to get one year buster faulkner as the offensive court
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: i literally thought about this this weekend as i was
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: watching florida look so good i was like i would
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: have my next offensive coordinator on staff already and We
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: have Xeroxed every piece of paper that is in Buster's office. Buster,
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: we're going to need you to hand that notebook over.
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: And your job, you're not even working right now. Your
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: job is to shadow him, and you become Buster Faulkner.
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: That's right. Buster Jr. Yeah, it's almost like we're Cold
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: War Russia. And I'm trying to duplicate Buster. And I've
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: got a human that is following him around. You eat
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: what he eats. You drink what he drinks. You exercise
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: like he exercises. And then I want you to be
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: him when he leaves. Leave his wife alone. But other
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: than that. We're going to find you a girl that
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: looks just like her. I think it's a fair plan.
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: Buster's probably a nickname anyway. We'll just start calling you Buster.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: Nobody will ever know. You're Buster too. That's right.
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: When we come back on Sporting State, we will. Hey,
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: The Athletic does this cool thing. I don't know if
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: you guys ever see it. They actually look at a
• 26:12
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• 26:18
  Speaker 1: So I've got a couple of– I'll ask you guys
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: when we come back who's getting blown up on their
• 26:24
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• 26:25
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: All right?
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: We've touched on a couple of them. We haven't touched
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: on the first one they go to who's getting just roasted.
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  Speaker 1: The feud coming up. Some exhibition basketball. Virginia and Vandy,
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  Speaker 1: both of them are going to be really good this year,
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: played exhibition basketball yesterday in Charleston outdoors. Look at this.
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: Outdoor exhibition basketball game at Credit One Stadium there. Brownie's
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: going to tell me what kind of stadium that is.
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: But it was a great look. And what was really
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: weird in the postgame handshake line, the Virginia staff and
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: coaches never noticed, but that's comedian Nate Bergazzi.
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: Who was on the bench and he's.
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: In the handshake line afterwards. Like a coach. Like he's
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: one of the coaches. Cool scene to start off the
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: exhibition season. He's all in on Vandy.
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: He is.
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: I'll give him credit. He's helping them. He did a
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: bit once in his routine about being a Vanderbilt fan.
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: and how hard that was and he's got a couple
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: funny stories but i think it's legit like i think
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: he's a legit vandy fan i don't think he just
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: jumped on the bandwagon.
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: He was very involved in the jared curtis yeah.
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah remember he looks pretty good man did he sponsor
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: him he sponsored curtis right yeah that put him in
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: such a boring game yeah it was credit one stadium
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: is uh it's a multi-purpose venue you saw it perhaps
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: in the background of the video there's a stage on
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: one end And it's basically an outdoor concert venue, but
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: they've also played tennis events in there.
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: So it's kind of like a stadium meets an amphitheater.
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: It's open air, but they do concerts in there. You
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: see the stage in the background there on that piece
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: of video right there. Well, I mean, we play in
• 28:57
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• 29:02
  Speaker 1: why not do that? Exhibition basketball outdoor. They had good
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: weather for it.
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: Pretty cool.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: Get your tickets to Ballin'. in Boutwell as well in
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: the feud and let's enjoy some basketball.
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: Air Force carrier too. That's true.
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: I remember that. That's right. That one didn't go well, right?
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: We had some rain or some moisture.
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: No, I thought it was okay. I think it was
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: Michigan State, North Carolina.
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: There was one where the floor got screwed up. Yeah,
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: there was moisture on the floor. I think that might
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: have been, I don't know.
• 29:27
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  Speaker 2: Mike Elko in Texas A & M.
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: Yep, you nailed it. Joe Rexroad writes it at The Athletic.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: He does it every week. And listen, I know Joe
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: probably has never listened to our show. but it was
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: one of our favorite old bits we used to do
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: in radio where we'd have, was it message board, message board, Joe,
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: and he would jump in and read message boards. Uh,
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: Rex road does this at the athletic every Monday. Uh,
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: and I'll just give you a couple of them. Uh, uh,
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: Jeff Tarpley writes at two, four, seven sports, by the way,
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: that Greg Oh nine ag says, ask, ask Elko why
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: he got lazy after his extension. Um, Chicken Nugget, who
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: should we go after when we inevitably fire Elko soon?
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: Chicken Nugget. And then Board Genius had a blank check
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: with Kirk Cignetti's name on it. Yeah, good luck.
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: The mob is fickle. They've lost back-to-back games now. And,
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: you know, after going to a college football playoff last year,
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: hosting a first-round game, He hitched his wagon to the
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: wrong quarterback.
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: That's your problem. That quarterback told you who he was
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: at the end of the year, and you ignored him.
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: He did. And then the loss of Colin Klein going to,
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: and I know they got beat by Cincinnati this past week,
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: but going to Kansas State, and look, I think that'll
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: ultimately work out. But I think the offense is completely
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: different from the offense last year. And I think that's
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: going to lead to frustrations for the defense because defense
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: can only carry them so much. And once they got
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: to halftime down 14-3, that game was kind of over.
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: But then they exploded in the third quarter.
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: We touched on it in the lead-up to the season,
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: but probably not enough. Connor O'Gara was the first person
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: I saw bring this up. Texas A & M was
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: the only team Connor said, the only team I'm aware
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: of in the SEC that's hiring a guy that's never
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: called plays as a coordinator. That's right. But his stock
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: was so high. Holman Wiggins' stock was high. But in hindsight,
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: we talked about it some, but probably not strongly enough, Jim.
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: In hindsight, you kept the quarterback that showed you who
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: he was at the end of the year, and that
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: wasn't great. And you doubled down on it by getting
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: a coordinator that has never called plays. That was a
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: pretty bold combo right there to keep Marcel Reed, invest
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: in him, and pair him up with a coordinator that
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: has never called plays with live bullets.
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: Well, and they didn't look disciplined. They had seven penalties,
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: a couple of turnovers. The yardage was just complete mismatch.
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: 506 yards to 197. I mean, just complete domination.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: That hurts.
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: Look, and I said this last week or a couple
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: of weeks, I guess it was last week after the
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: Kentucky loss. They lost 10 guys that are now playing
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: on Sundays, but that can't be an excuse for A & M.
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: 7-3-7, ag.
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: He's an awful coach, an awful evaluator of talent, and
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: an awful motivator. He can shove grind up his ass. Wow.
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: I think Elko's a really good coach. I don't know
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: if he's gotten lazy with this extension or not, but
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: it's not A & M football. They attack the quarterback.
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: Zero sacks Saturday night.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: When was the extension?
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: 819 Ag, by the way.
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: I'm so pissed at Elko right now. I'd take Kenny
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: Chesney over him. I'm not a Kenny Chesney fan. But
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: here's what you guys talk about all the time. Both
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: of you have said this before. Evan's 0-100. It doesn't matter.
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: No one will ever have sustained success here.
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: It won't.
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: It's just like a jinxed program.
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: I can't believe they're saying that out loud. I mean.
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: I.
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: Swear. I know a couple of A & M fans,
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: and they thought he was... The next big deal.
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: This was just last year. If you dropped prime Nick
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: Saban or current Kirby Smart in there, you would have success.
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: But those don't grow on trees. It is hard to
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: find those guys. Cignetti would have success. Maybe Cignetti won.
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: Bob Chesney. Well, everybody's going to want Bob Chesney. And
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: I would say buyer beware. I think Chesney does a
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: good job. But we are anointing Chesney this genius after
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: two years at JMU and three. Four games at UCLA?
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: It would take him right now.
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: I know. I'm just saying. Yeah, but they just beat them.
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: Breaks off Maryland. Who's awful.
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: At home, they have beaten.
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: Purdue.
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: Purdue.
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: San Diego State.
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: San Diego State. And I watched the game to start
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: the year, and I cannot now remember who it was.
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: I mean, look, it hasn't been murderer's row, but just
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: watching how buttoned up they are.
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: They beat Cal. Cal on the road. That's right. So
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: that's their win. So San Diego State, Cal on the road,
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: Purdue at home, and Maryland on the road.
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: There's just something about a coach that comes in and
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: run the football at the level they run it with
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: Wayne Knight. And that's exactly what Summerall's doing. I mean,
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: Chesney and Summerall right now, the stamp they've immediately made
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: on these programs, they're physical teams.
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: Back to cut 14, Tyler, if you can. Lane Kiffin
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: said this after the game the other night. Now, LSU,
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: you just heard all the stats. Big win, bouncing back.
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: That's the flip side now. Ole Miss got beat at
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: Florida coming off of that win. LSU had to come back.
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: back down to earth or get back up after the
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: heartbreaking loss in Oxford. And they beat Texas A &
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: M 35-6. Leavitt was 17-23, 3-12, one interception, his sixth
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: of the year. But he pulled a hamstring early on.
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: Cut 11, Tyler, if you can. My bad there. Here's
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: Lane Kiffin afterwards talking about the Leavitt injury and how
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: it may have turned into a positive.
• 35:41
  Speaker 4: Guys fighting through injuries. Sam, obviously, is very injured. I joke, Tim,
• 35:45
  Speaker 4: maybe it was the best thing that happened because– He
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: had to stay in the pocket and throw on time
• 35:49
  Speaker 4: because he knew he couldn't run. But really gutsy performance
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: by him. I was actually getting ready to take him out,
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: and he said no way was he coming out. He
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: was going to play through it.
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: He couldn't put pressure on the leg. I mean, he
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: was basically, he hopped over to the sidelines basically on
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: one leg.
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: That was about as well as I've seen him throw it.
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: I mean, going back to the Arizona State days. Yeah,
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: Kiffin might be right. Maybe he's a pocket passer that
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: wants to be. Most mobile guys want to show you, no,
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: I'm a pocket passer. I'm not a mobile guy.
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: Maybe Sam Levitt's the obvious.
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: The upside for Levitt is his ability when he creates
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: with his legs and what a downhill runner he is. Well,
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: he couldn't do it.
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: I mean, he was stuck in that pocket and I mean,
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: he looked the best he's looked all year.
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: I mean, he averaged almost 14 yards a throw.
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: We'll get back into selecting our games to finish up
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: talking college football in our next segment. But, Forrester, can
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: you give me the AP poll again? Mike Rodak of a–
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: where's Mike now?
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: 24-7?
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Bama Online, I believe it is.
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: 24-7.
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: Rodak pointed out that Alabama now joins Nebraska as the
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: only program to be ranked in the AP poll for
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: 300 or more consecutive weeks. Nebraska from, I think it
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: was like 1981 to the mid-early 2000s, Nebraska was there
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: for 348 weeks. Alabama has now been ranked for 300
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: consecutive weeks. And those are the only two programs ever
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: to go 300 or more.
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: Well, this Alabama team is becoming sneaky good.
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: They seem to have a good chemistry, and boy... And
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: I'll say this, too. They distribute the ball around to
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: a lot of people. Nobody seems to be angry that
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: I'm only catching two balls or three balls a game.
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: But they've got something special at quarterback. They do.
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: And he is one of those guys that just gets
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: better each and every week. And the game is continuing
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: to slow down. I don't really know what his weakness is.
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: I don't think he's got one. And I think he's
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: just going to continue to climb up. But back to
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: the way they play. The first couple of years under Kalen,
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: there was some undisciplined moments. But for them to only
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: have four penalties, no turnovers, everybody seems to be on
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: the same page right now.
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: You kind of wonder what this team would look like
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: when they actually got off to a fast start. And
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: oh my lord. Let's give credit to that offensive line, Brown.
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: It's been really good. It's so clean. Now, they didn't
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: run the ball as good as they wanted to, but
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: the pocket he had in that game. to throw passes downfield,
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: to layer some passes in there. It took some time
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: for the routes to happen. Trust me, if they pass
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: block like that for him, and Dylan Stewart doesn't have
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: his head screwed on right, but South Carolina's got some
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: pass rushers on that team, and they were pretty much
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: a non-factor, and they made themselves, Dylan Stewart specifically, a non-factor.
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: But if you continue to pass block like that, teams
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: are not going to keep crashing that run. They are
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: going to have to respect Keelan Russell, A, his ability
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: to run, and B, his ability to stand back there
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: and pick you apart, nothing will help the run game
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: more than that. The more they respect Keelan Russell, the
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: better the run game will be. I was surprised that
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: there has been very little pressure right up the middle
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: over Del Gotti at center. Because I thought maybe that
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: would be, that's where the most dangerous pressure comes for
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: a quarterback. And Del Gotti played an unbelievable game protecting
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: the quarterback in the middle.
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this kid, I mean, so South Carolina ended up
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: with the two sacks. The Dylan Stewart situation. I know
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: Shane Beamer has suspended him.
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: Indefinitely. Which bothered you the most? The punch or him
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: walking off the field and the coach telling him to
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: hurry up and he must have said something because Beamer
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: and him really got into it. ESPN did not catch
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: this part, but somebody on the sidelines did. They send
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: his sub in. He grabs his sub, turns him around,
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: and pushes him.
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: Back to the sideline. That's when the coaches had to
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: start barking at him. The insubordination is worse. I think
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: that will hurt him on the next level more.
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: Because the Alabama guy was giving it to him pretty good.
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: If you watch the whole play, Ford blocks him to
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: the ground. Pancakes him. Pancakes him and then tells him
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: about it.
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: That was all frustration. It was a stupid penalty because
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: that was a You know, full extension pretty much.
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: He did it when the lights were out, though. That
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: was pretty good.
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: He did it when the lights were out. The boy
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: that ref's looking right at it, and he threw a flag.
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: The insubordination, though. I mean, this guy's a projected top
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: ten pick.
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't want him. Todd McShay had him number three overall.
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't want him.
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: That could hurt the stock a little bit.
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: It could.
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: I mean, the kid, when his head's screwed on, is
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: a heck of a pass rusher. Yeah, but see, I
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: wouldn't want him either, Brim, because at some point in
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: the NFL, we're going to have bad stretches. That's right.
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: We're going to have bad moments. Is this what you're
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: going to turn into? Is it that easy to get
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: under your skin? A tight end blocks you to the
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: ground and then gets in your ear about it and
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: you're going to punch a guy? Yeah, the best trash
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: talkers in the world are in the NFL.
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: That's right, and you're going to get blocked to the
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: ground again. We knew this defense was going to be good.
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: Did anybody have any idea how good luke metz and
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: caleb woodson.
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: Were gonna be though luke metz is a head i
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: mean i like the way you paired them up together
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: though like metz is getting a lot of headline woodson's
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: really good.
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah i'm just saying they're always around the ball yeah
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: but metz is always looking to blow somebody up i
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: mean you saw it on that punt return when the
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: kid gets airborne.
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah i mean he's he's he's looking to blow people up.
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: You know and keelan hadn't had to win a game
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: yet you know what i'm saying like that's right The
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: comeback happened so quick against Kentucky, and they just kind
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: of wiped them away. And the same thing with Florida State.
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: I'm excited about Saturday, and I'm going to stick with
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: Mississippi State right now. It's an 11 o'clock game, so
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to touch it. But I think that
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: is going to be a back-and-forth track meet.
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: Potential upset alert for somebody tomorrow? Is it 6 1⁄2?
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: Is that where it is right now?
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: It was 6 the last time I saw it. We
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: played at 6 1⁄2. Where did it open?
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: I saw Alabama three and a half in a couple
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: of places.
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: I did too. And then this morning I look again
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: and I see six and a half. I was like,
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: surely it didn't shoot up that much.
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: This is where it should be. Three and a half
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: was too generous. And I think Mississippi State's good.
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: I felt a little skinny.
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: Three and a half.
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: I think this is going to be a hell of
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: a game. And this might be the moment where he
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: has to actually win a game. Yeah.
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: 11 a.m., which benefits Alabama a little bit. I think so.
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: But there'll be 60,000 cowbells. If they could do it
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: over again, this would be the primetime ABC game. Zero
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: doubt about it, because they're showing Clemson and Miami. This
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: should be a much better game than Miami.
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. I mean, you know, game day, I guess,
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: is in Iowa City, right?
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because they're catching hell for going to the SEC
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: every week.
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: Well, I would be back in Starkville.
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: And somehow, Iowa-Ohio State did not end up on Fox
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: Big Noon. It's a 2-30 kick. So they can go
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: do a 2-30 Big Ten game. that is justifiable with
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: Ohio State going to Iowa.
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: That might be a problem for Iowa this week.
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: Could be a problem for Iowa. What, Ohio State? Yeah,
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: I'd say. We'll see if it's a problem for Bama
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: over in Starkville, 11 a.m., and should be a fun
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: weekend coming up. Weather may be an issue there, by
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: the way, Bama and State. We've got a so-easter, a
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: south-easter coming through.
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: A so-easter.
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: When we come back, the final thoughts on this college
• 42:51
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• 42:53
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  Speaker 2: Let's go to the ACC Wake Forest in Louisville.
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: What an upset.
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, we were just talking about Louisville might
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: be the best in the ACC.
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: And we were looking at their schedule saying, where are
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: they going to drop a game? Two teams out of
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: the ACC, Louisville and Miami. Where are they going to
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: drop a game? Well, it's going to be a home
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: to Wake Forest, that's where. And then here comes Wake Forest,
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: and what's crazy is that Gio Lopez... is playing so good. Remember,
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: he was at North Carolina, and they didn't want him.
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I didn't think there was anything flukish about
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: that game at all.
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: Not a bit, nope.
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: I mean, it was back and forth the entire game.
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: Keen Holtz is a really, really good quarterback. One bad mistake.
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: They just weren't able to run the football. And, like,
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: you just expect with the Browns in the backfield that
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: Louisville can run the football 75 yards, two yards per carry.
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: But what a win for Jake Deckard. That's another guy
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: that's going to get looks.
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: That's right. He's only 43 years old. And if you
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: go back and look how they played Miami, that was
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: only 33 to 20. And they were sort of competitive
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: with Miami. We should have saw this coming. We should have,
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: but we didn't. No, we did not.
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: The ACC is wild.
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it has turned in.
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: Because, like, Virginia is only a two-and-a-half-point favorite in Tallahassee
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: this week.
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: I know. Figure that one out. I mean, that screams
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: Florida State, doesn't it? And I was thinking about it
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: this weekend after watching the end of that Louisville wake
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: game as Louisville was trying to get that field goal off.
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: We have gotten back to– I'm going to say it
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: right now, though. I'm not 100% certain on it because
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: I just haven't played anybody. Miami– Plus the will of destiny.
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: Reese used to, he made famous the ACC will of destiny,
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: where you could just spin and any outcome was believable.
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: Outside of Miami, I think that's about what you get
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: out of the ACC right now. Because SMU did not
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: look good against most state. Uh-uh. They only won that
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: game by 10.
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: Virginia Tech goes on the road now. They played in
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: terrible conditions, but they barely beat Boston College on the road.
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: I do think that that's a fascinating game this week,
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: Pittsburgh and Virginia Tech, because you've got two 4-0s there.
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: I think we'll learn a little bit more about that.
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: I think Duke is also a team that we're probably
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: not talking about enough.
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: We talked about them a little last week.
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: The fact that they're getting no respect at all.
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: They're at a part of their schedule that they don't
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: really jump in onto our main TVs yet, but they're coming.
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: They're coming soon. So this weekend, if you're not paying attention,
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: Miami at Clemson, Notre Dame playing at UNC.
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: Massive numbers on both of them, though.
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, bad schedules for Miami and Notre Dame. But we're
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: so yearning to see those teams tested at all. Do
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: we at least get what Indiana and Northwestern was Friday
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: night in either one of these games? Can Dabo make
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: it interesting against Miami? Can Belichick make it interesting against
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: Notre Dame, both of them being at home? I don't
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: know about you guys watching in real time. Did you
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: ever feel like Northwestern was going to win that game?
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: I never felt like they were going to, but God,
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: I was cheering for them.
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: I was too. Boy, if they would have gotten that
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: onside kick.
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: I know.
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: I do think they're good, and I think they're going
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: to actually beat Penn State this week.
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: I asked that a while. That's going to be awesome.
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: Bad loss for Matt Campbell.
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: It is. I was.
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: The reason I asked that question, I was going to say,
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: do you think you'll watch either one of those games
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: and at any moment feel like North Carolina or Clemson
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: are going to beat Notre Dame or Miami?
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: I don't think Clemson can hang offensively with Miami. I
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: think that's the problem for Clemson. You know, maybe North
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: Carolina could yuck it up enough, but probably not.
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, see, I don't think so either.
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: And....
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: That's a shame because how good is Notre Dame and Miami?
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: They may be great, both of them. We won't know
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: it until we get to December.
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: Right. And then, you know, when they play each other.
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we're going to get to see them play and
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: then they're probably. That's right. They do play each other
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: in November. Yeah, they go head to head. But I mean,
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: that is not going to be a game that's going
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: to be a playoff.
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: I guess we get a barometer on Notre Dame because
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: they got to go to Provo to take on BYU.
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: That's tough game.
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: BYU up to number 10. in the AP poll. I
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: think Miami's only path to not being in the playoffs.
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: That schedule is bad enough that if they lost to
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: Notre Dame and then lost in the conference championship game,
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: it could get dicey for them. Oh, yeah. As a
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: two-loss team.
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: Oh, I think they're done.
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: Because they're just going to have no good wins at all.
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: I mean, there's going to be nothing on there. Pick
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: another game for us, Brownie. Before I pick a game,
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: can I say the SEC has made a statement on
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: the onside kick? We brought this up earlier. They have
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: come out and said it was not administered correctly. That
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: it was an illegal onside kick. That the ball, as
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: Terry McCauley said on Twitter, the ball must be touching
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: the 35. And it should have been five yards and
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: a re-kick. See, I didn't know that part of it.
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: I thought maybe that Texas just gets the ball. That
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: it was an illegal kick and they get the ball.
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: But it should have been a five-yard plus re-kick. So
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: when touching the 35... It's got to be on the
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: ground or on a tee on the 35. That is correct.
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: At least the nose of the ball has to touch
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: the 35. So a drop kick is not legal. No,
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: I think a drop kick is. You've just got to
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: drop it where at least the nose of the ball
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: touches the 35. They're not saying that. I can go
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: back to the statement. They're not saying the dropkick itself
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: is illegal.
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: That is inexcusable. I know you don't see that a lot.
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: Well, that is a weird rule. You never think you're
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: going to have to enforce that rule.
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: No, but you would think that you would pick it
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: up immediately because I did think it was weird the
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: way he was doing it, trying to execute it.
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: Like, by rule, because what bothered me was him being
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: able to walk around back there. Okay, that also, Scott's
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: got the statement, that also is, by rule, a violation.
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: So they missed two calls.
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: On that one play. Yeah, that was.
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: I've never seen that. It was weird that he was
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: able to sort of be moving around back there.
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's almost like a legal motion on.
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: So the statement says a drop kick is permissible, but
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: a free kick must be made from the kicking team's
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: restraining line, which is the 35 on a kickoff. So
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: if he stood on the 35, he's okay. The ball
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: has to be on the 35 when he kicks it.
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: In addition, after the ball is ready for play, the
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: kicker may not change his lateral position between the hash marks,
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: which is what you're talking about. That spot can change
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: only after a charge timeout or a subsequent kick. The
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: kicker's movement after the ready signal violated the rule. So
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: there were two rules violated there. The correct enforcement, five-yard penalty,
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: and replay of the down. See, that.
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: Listen, I'd never seen anyone try it.
• 50:16
  Speaker 4: Me neither.
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: I didn't even know if it was legal. And then
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: I was like, unbelievable that this is legal. How has
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: nobody ever tried this before?
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: And that's why if it stood out to us, if
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: you're an official, you should know the rules.
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because that official has watched a lot of film
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: and done a lot of games. At some point, the
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: official's going to say, wait a minute.
• 50:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: And that's a.
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: That could have been a $ 50 million game. I don't
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: know what the payoff now is for a college football
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: playoff appearance.
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but if Tennessee comes back and wins that game,
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: it may put them in the playoffs, and then all
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: of a sudden Texas has lost any margin for error.
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: I mean, at that point, when they see it lining up,
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: and listen, I love the SEC, and everybody's got these
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: command centers now, which are the best football minds that
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: you have in the conference. When they were lining up
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: to do this, you've got to time out. At that point,
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: should you not be buzzing down to them, communicating with
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: Birmingham and saying, hey, Stop play. They're not allowed to
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: do it the way you've got to tell them to
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: do it like this. So you mean in real time
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: or right after the kick? Yeah, I mean, it seems
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: like Birmingham should be able to buzz in.
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: Is Jeff Banks still special teams coach?
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: At Texas, yeah.
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: He should know this rule, too. I mean, that should
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: have been something.
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: That's all that guy has ever done.
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: He should have been in the ass of one of
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: these officials.
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's been special teams coach forever.
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: I just don't know how hard this stuff is to
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: catch in real time. I've never coached, but I'm with Lance.
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: If you've been the special teams coach that long, at
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: some point you're like, that ball was not kicked from
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: the 35. Yeah, and the whole moving around thing. I
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: was watching, and it seems like Herbstree, and they were like,
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: can he move around like that? I don't know. It
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: was a weird thing. Give me one more game, Brandy.
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: I was going to go Auburn-Vandy. We'll talk more about
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: it in the next show. I'll tell you what. One
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: of the biggest Auburn fans I know texted me after
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: that game. An Auburn win, by the way, on homecoming,
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: which Auburn has not done a lot of at Jordan-Hare recently.
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: You would think fans would have left the game happier,
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: but fans are still... First.
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: Home SEC win in 671 days.
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: I know, and fans still have some anxiety over this.
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: One of the biggest Auburn fans, I know this is
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: a guy that's been a 40-year season ticket holder, almost
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: immediately after the game said, your honest opinion, other than
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: Samford and Arkansas, who else can we beat? And I'm like,
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: you just won the game. Yeah. I know, but it
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: was Vandy.
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: Boy, that block punt was massive.
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: Oh, it ends up being the difference in the game.
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I kind of agree with him. I mean, I
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: think you're going to beat Arkansas, and I think you're
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: going to beat Sanford, and I don't.
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: See another way. My response to him was, I don't
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: really like your odds in October.
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but with all that said, I mean, they're only
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: a seven-point dog in New England this weekend, so you
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: never know.
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and they played Florida 44-39.
• 52:44
  Speaker 3: Oh, I know.
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: Florida could be the best team in the SEC. Could be.
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: Did not feel that close.
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it felt like a two-touchdown game. But still, you know,
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: within two touchdowns, Florida's not bad right now.
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: I mean, you gave up 311 yards to Vandy, but
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: you held them to 15 points. I think the bigger
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: concern is, you know, Byron Brown. I'm concerned about the
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: running game. Yeah, I mean, you can't run the ball. What,
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: they have 125-ish running the football? We'll talk more about
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: that in a second. We'll jump into Alabama and Auburn
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: as we continue. on the next round i just want
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: to give a shout out um if we can to
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: jackson corvin um future mount rushmore at auburn you guys
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: keep saying he can't do it he's the only american
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: player during the president's cup this weekend to not lose
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: on the whole weekend he's two down he comes back
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: to beat siwoo kim as usa rallies to win their
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: 11th straight president cup but jackson corvin was a superstar.
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, when you said that, it was very laughable,
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: but the things he's already done early in his career...
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: are pretty spectacular.
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: Go back and watch him play the 18th in that match.
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: He spins the grips off the club. Some tour sauce.
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: But why do they do this this timing? Like, I
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: was at Buffalo Wild Wings yesterday, and I walk in,
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: they've got it on one TV in a back room
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: for golf fans, but that's it. Like, nobody even knew
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: that thing happened yesterday.
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: That's the next round presented by Hard Rock Bet right
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: here on Sporting State.