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Tom Callahan on Team USA men's and women's hockey winning gold, NHL back after Olympic break, Mammoth's loss to the Avs + more · The Sean O'Connell Show

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Speaker 1: This bas Sean O'Connell show, you were home of the
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Speaker 1: best inside of your utes. Let's get back to OOC
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Speaker 1: from the Murdoch Chevrolet Studio of ESPN seven hundred ninety
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Speaker 1: two to one, a f am.
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Speaker 2: Sean O'Connell show continues here. Welcome to our number three
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Speaker 2: on a Thursday. Let's welcome in Tom Callahan, host of
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Speaker 2: the Lockdown Mammoth podcast Utah Mammoth and Hockey Insider, friend
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Speaker 2: of the program.
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Speaker 3: Tom, Welcome back. How are you, sir?
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Speaker 4: I'm doing well. Thanks for having me back on. I
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Speaker 4: apologize for missing you a couple of days ago, so
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Speaker 4: I'm happy to be back and chat a little hockey.
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Speaker 2: Well, it's great because now we get to extend our
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Speaker 2: conversation about a US Team USA gold medal into you know, Thursday,
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Speaker 2: instead of just having to burn all through all of
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Speaker 2: it on a Monday or Tuesday. We'll get to the
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Speaker 2: Mammoth here in just a sack. But every time I
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Speaker 2: think about it, I was at the Mammoth game last night.
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Speaker 2: I was talking about with some people. It's just it's
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Speaker 2: such a wonderful thing to see this all come to
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Speaker 2: fruition for Team USA in the same kind of like
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Speaker 2: timeline cycle that we're now an NHL market, right, this
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Speaker 2: is the first Winter Olympics since we had an NHL team.
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Speaker 2: Obviously we had one of our own guys, Clayton Keller,
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Speaker 2: on Team USA, even though we didn't playing that gold
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Speaker 2: medal game. Seeing him have that hung around his neck
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Speaker 2: and seeing how it came together for Team USA just
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Speaker 2: just an incredible moment for the sport in our country.
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Speaker 2: And I just wanted to get your general thoughts on
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Speaker 2: what it could be moving forward.
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Speaker 4: Well, I can tell you, I mean, oh see, not
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Speaker 4: to date myself, but I will, and that's fine. I
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Speaker 4: started playing hockey in nineteen eighty one, right after the
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Speaker 4: nineteen eighty Olympic gold medal, and I can tell you,
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Speaker 4: for all the kids of my age and my generation
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Speaker 4: putting on the skates back then, it was very fresh
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Speaker 4: in our minds, and you know, we we were certainly
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Speaker 4: too young to understand the gravity of it, especially in
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Speaker 4: the context of the seventies and the decade that preceded it.
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Speaker 4: But you know, you look at now, it's going to
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Speaker 4: have the same effect on a lot of kids here
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Speaker 4: in the United States, and the same thing in the
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Speaker 4: state of Utah. Plus you've got now a hometown hero
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Speaker 4: from the Mammoth who brought home a gold medal. And
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Speaker 4: the extra special context here is that eight years from
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Speaker 4: now we're going to do it in town, have the
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Speaker 4: Olympics right there, and hopefully by that not only is
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Speaker 4: Keller on the team, but Logan Cooley as well. So
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Speaker 4: there is so much just you know, great things, and
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Speaker 4: when your country wins a metal like that, especially the US,
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Speaker 4: it takes a leak forward for your programs. The world
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Speaker 4: juniors have been very heavily dominated recently by the United States.
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Speaker 4: They've had some really good showings and I think that
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Speaker 4: that has now started to propagate itself into the the
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Speaker 4: you know, basically professional ranks and then the world tournaments
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Speaker 4: for the men's side. So it's great to see and
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Speaker 4: of course the women's program is just absolutely dominant.
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Speaker 2: Really cool to see both men and women get the
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Speaker 2: gold medals together. And you know, even after like some
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Speaker 2: maybe miscommunication with leadership, et cetera, et cetera, like in
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Speaker 2: this last week, the support that the men have offered
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Speaker 2: the women and the women have offered the men. Clearly
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Speaker 2: hockey culture is alive and thriving, especially at that level
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Speaker 2: in the United States of America, and.
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Speaker 4: The game is growing, right, I mean it's growing in
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Speaker 4: all these places that you know, twenty thirty years ago,
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Speaker 4: skeptics said it's not going to work there. How's Nashville,
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Speaker 4: in Dallas, Miami, Tampa Bay, those both places aren't going
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Speaker 4: to work, and they have and it's grown the game
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Speaker 4: even more. And now we're seeing look at the players
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Speaker 4: coming out of Arizona. I mean, the Coyotes did a
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Speaker 4: tremendous job. I mean not talking about results on the ice,
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Speaker 4: but I mean off the ice in that Phoenix area,
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Speaker 4: community building rinks, getting kids playing youth programs. You know,
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Speaker 4: you spawn an Austin Matthews. You know, you spawn a
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Speaker 4: bunch of kids who now and look up to these
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Speaker 4: players on their way up. So you know, it's it's
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Speaker 4: all across the country now, and this brings even more
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Speaker 4: notice to it. People that probably didn't pay any attention
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Speaker 4: to hockey whatsoever before now at least might have tuned
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Speaker 4: in or at least started the gold medal game. And
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Speaker 4: maybe it inspires somebody somewhere to put on the skates,
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Speaker 4: pick up a stick, and give it a shot.
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Speaker 2: All right, let's focus in on the Utah Mammoth thea
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Speaker 2: for a second, because you got a bronze medalist on
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Speaker 2: the team.
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Speaker 3: You have a gold medalist on the team.
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Speaker 2: Those guys returning back to action with everyone else in
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Speaker 2: the Colorado Avalanche in town last night, who are without
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Speaker 2: a couple of guys for the same reason that other
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Speaker 2: teams areund the NHL are because they're giving some time
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Speaker 2: off to reintegrate after the NHL, especially gold excuse me
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Speaker 2: after the Olympics, especially that gold medal game four to
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Speaker 2: two results last night. But more importantly, did did the
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Speaker 2: team play the way you thought they would play?
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Speaker 3: Colorado?
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Speaker 2: He is the best squad in the league right now,
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Speaker 2: so I try not to judge too much based on
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Speaker 2: what we see against them. Did Mammoth Hockey look the
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Speaker 2: way you thought it would with everyone, you know, practicing
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Speaker 2: about a week and maybe looking a little bit more
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Speaker 2: rested up?
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Speaker 4: They they looked the way I hope they wouldn't, but
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Speaker 4: knew they might, is the best way to put it,
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Speaker 4: you know. Robin Leano, my co host, and I on
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Speaker 4: the Lockdown Mammoth, we always had the debate about rest
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Speaker 4: versus rust. The Mammoths were one of the teams that
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Speaker 4: probably hated the Olympic break the most because they were
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Speaker 4: playing so well before the break. Colorado needed that break.
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Speaker 4: They were four or five and one rolling into the
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Speaker 4: Olympics in Vegas. It was another team that was some
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Speaker 4: five hundred their last time going into the break. That
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Speaker 4: was Colorado's worst stretch of the season, so it really
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Speaker 4: helped them out. When you found out there was no
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Speaker 4: Nathan McKinnon last night, my hope got up. You know,
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Speaker 4: I'm like, oh, you got Cooley and Kirkfook coming back.
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Speaker 4: Hopefully they're going to get a boost from that. And
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Speaker 4: then I'm really hoping that there's going to be another
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Speaker 4: boost here along the line that comes in from Clayton
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Speaker 4: Keller and the gold medal and Holy Mata and the
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Speaker 4: bronze medal, and you really hope that those things kind of,
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Speaker 4: you know, make an impact. And unfortunately, they looked like
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Speaker 4: a team trying to reintegrate a couple of guys who
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Speaker 4: hadn't played in the in a while. Bolly hadn't played
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Speaker 4: his December fifth and then Keller coming back. They still
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Speaker 4: had points. Bully had thisist, Keller had this sist, But honestly,
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Speaker 4: it was just it was Russ. It was bad giveaways,
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Speaker 4: it was not being sharp with the puck. They just
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Speaker 4: didn't have their normal speed and execution. They certainly didn't
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Speaker 4: play as physical as I would have liked to have
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Speaker 4: seen them play. They just they just weren't sharp. And
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Speaker 4: you know what, Colorado coming onto the break, even without McKennon.
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Speaker 4: I am actually happy to see that. If you're going
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Speaker 4: to have that game against any team, it's Colorado, because
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Speaker 4: that is your wake up call. I'd rather have the
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Speaker 4: alarm ring right away than a week from now, so
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Speaker 4: you know, they're just going to have to kind of
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Speaker 4: get back to normal here. Colorado executed much better, and
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Speaker 4: every time Utah made a mistake, they made him pay
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Speaker 4: for it and transition.
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Speaker 2: Tom Callahan our guest here on the Sean O'Connell show,
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Speaker 2: talking about Utah, Mammoth Hockey, host of the Lockdown Mammoth podcast,
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Speaker 2: and NHL insider, It's not going to get a lot easier.
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Speaker 2: You got arrest day today and then tomorrow night. It's
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Speaker 2: the Minnesota Wild. They're not quite the Colorado Avalanche, but
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Speaker 2: they're a really good team who's been hot as of late.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, Minnesota was another team that hated the Olympic break.
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Speaker 4: They were flying before they got into the break. They
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Speaker 4: got points in nine to ten, one eight of them.
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Speaker 4: I mean, they were just humming right along. And that's
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Speaker 4: a really, really good hockey team. The thing about Minnesota
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Speaker 4: is they went for it kind of early, made the
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Speaker 4: trade to get Hughes, who you know now, I mean,
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Speaker 4: the Hughes brothers are everywhere after the Olympics, right, you know,
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Speaker 4: that's everybody is excited and talking about that for Team
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Speaker 4: USA supporters, But it's not so much fun when you're
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Speaker 4: the Mammoth, not You've got to face them. So it's
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Speaker 4: it's going to be interesting to see if Utah does
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Speaker 4: sharp at the game up a little bit and does
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Speaker 4: play better. They really just need to take care of
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Speaker 4: the defensive zone better, especially against Minnesota. That's another team
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Speaker 4: that can bite you in transition. They're very quick, they
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Speaker 4: are aggressive, and they are playing really, really good hockey
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Speaker 4: right now. So yeah, you're right, it's another test for
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Speaker 4: Utah and this little stretch here coming out. I mean,
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Speaker 4: you knew it was going to be tough and they
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Speaker 4: you know, honestly, they kept it close enough against Colorado,
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Speaker 4: even though they didn't have their best game but you know, Minnesota,
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Speaker 4: I really want to see them come out in the start. Really,
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Speaker 4: for me, the first ten minutes is going to tell
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Speaker 4: us an awful lot about what they're bringing to that game.
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Speaker 2: We've got what eight days before the trade deadline? What
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Speaker 2: do you think that looks like? First from the mammoth perspective?
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Speaker 2: And then is it going to be wild in the
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Speaker 2: NHL at the end of next week or are we
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Speaker 2: going to see a lot of teams standing pat.
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Speaker 4: Well, I think there's going to be too many deadlines
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Speaker 4: within the deadline because right now, the way it sets
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Speaker 4: up is you have some teams that have already declared
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Speaker 4: if they're definite buyers and definite sellers, and I think
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Speaker 4: you may see activity from those teams heading into the weekend.
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Speaker 4: But then you have other teams, and probably my prime
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Speaker 4: example of this is the Toronto Maple Leafs, who are
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Speaker 4: on the outside looking in, are not necessarily close to
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Speaker 4: a wild card, but are going to give it a
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Speaker 4: couple of games, and see they may give it three games,
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Speaker 4: they may go through the weekend, and that's going to
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Speaker 4: compress their deadline timeline right into the early part of
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Speaker 4: next week. With the deadline coming up on March six,
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Speaker 4: they are going to be in that later basket of
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Speaker 4: teams that really want to play three games out of
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Speaker 4: this break and see what happens. So so there's the
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Speaker 4: cluster of teams that's already out there actively buying or selling,
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Speaker 4: and then you're having teams that are going to wait
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Speaker 4: a little bit. So I think it might actually break
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Speaker 4: up the action on the on the deadline a little bit.
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Speaker 4: It could really come down to the last day or
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Speaker 4: two before it. And for Utah, they say they always
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Speaker 4: want to be aggressive, they want to be active, but
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Speaker 4: I don't think that's going to come at the cost
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Speaker 4: of mortgaging the future, which is important because I think
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Speaker 4: they have a lot of great prospects in the pipeline
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Speaker 4: right now. But if there's a no brainer trade out
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Speaker 4: there where you've duced in a current player and a
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Speaker 4: prospect for someone who's going to help you not only
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Speaker 4: right now. The Mammoths don't need a rental. They need
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Speaker 4: someone who's going to be here for several seasons to
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Speaker 4: make an impact. I want to see him get a
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Speaker 4: top stickings center, I really do, because I think they
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Speaker 4: need one. But those guys don't come cheap and certainly
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Speaker 4: the ones that are available now. You know, you have
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Speaker 4: to see, hey, does this player makes sense for the
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Speaker 4: long term for us as well? Because the mammoths are
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Speaker 4: just starting to open their window. They're not winning a
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Speaker 4: Cup this year, They're just starting to open the window
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Speaker 4: two three years from now, like we've talked about all year.
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Speaker 4: That's when they're really throwing the window wide open.
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Speaker 2: Is this trade deadline that a reasonable time to address
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Speaker 2: your your backup goalie situation?
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Speaker 4: You know, this is a funny one because I like
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Speaker 4: v Tech Vanicheck and I think he's just fine as
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Speaker 4: a backup. I know a lot of people don't because
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Speaker 4: they look at the record in games he's played. Yeah,
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Speaker 4: there's like Vegg, you know Van, he's got some goals
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Speaker 4: that he would love to have back. You know, they
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Speaker 4: both haven't played super solid throughout the year. Vana Check.
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Speaker 4: It's tough because he doesn't get a lot of work,
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Speaker 4: but he just wasn't getting the run support. I felt
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Speaker 4: like he took some bad beats in there. I think
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Speaker 4: he's better than people are giving him credit for it.
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Speaker 4: I don't feel the need to make a panic trade
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Speaker 4: to get a backup goaltender right now and Honestly, whoever
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Speaker 4: you bring in is not going to that's not their style.
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Speaker 4: He's gonna run vete till the wheels fall off. So
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Speaker 4: I don't know that. Honestly, it needs to be addressed.
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Speaker 4: I wouldn't probably not worry about it.
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Speaker 3: I'm remissed.
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Speaker 2: And I mean, you played the position, and when we
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Speaker 2: were talking Team USA Hockey, I did not ask you
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Speaker 2: about Hella Buck and the incredible gold medal game he had,
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Speaker 2: but how well he played for the whole tournament, and
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Speaker 2: especially for a guy who had been starting to develop
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Speaker 2: the reputation or the question was at least being asked
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Speaker 2: about whether or not you could win the important games,
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Speaker 2: you could win the big one, whether or not you were,
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Speaker 2: you know, kind of a regular season star, but in
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Speaker 2: playoffs and crunch time you were maybe going to choke.
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Speaker 2: And he did the exact opposite of that, stood on
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Speaker 2: his head against Canada in that gold medal game. And
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Speaker 2: he's getting a Presidential Medal of Freedom, the highest civilian
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Speaker 2: honor in the United States. He's one of just a
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Speaker 2: handful of athletes to ever get that. Really cool to
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Speaker 2: see that for Hella Buck. As long as he doesn't
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Speaker 2: hurt you, because its not excellent this year, but your
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Speaker 2: thoughts on his performance in the fact that it was
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Speaker 2: so kind of like counter to what his reputation had
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Speaker 2: been growing into being.
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Speaker 4: You know what, the two guys, and I'm glad you
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Speaker 4: mentioned that the two guys who I think might have
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Speaker 4: countered their narrative the most are Connor Hellibuck and Austin Matthews.
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Speaker 4: There was the narrative starting to evolve around Austin Matthews
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Speaker 4: in Toronto that he couldn't lead this team to a
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Speaker 4: championship gaining the Maple Leafs and that he's not much
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Speaker 4: of a leader and what have you. Same thing with Hellibuck.
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Speaker 4: Al he's great in the regular season, but he can't
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Speaker 4: deliver when the chips are down. He's not that guy
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Speaker 4: and he'll never be that guy. Well, that was the
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Speaker 4: biggest stage in the world as far as hockey eyeballs,
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Speaker 4: and that is best on best like. There is no
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Speaker 4: better than the gold medal game in mental Olympic hockey.
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Speaker 4: And not only did he show up, but he played
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Speaker 4: an incredible Yeah, Hellibuck can handle the big stage. You're right,
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Speaker 4: Winnipeg has fallen off substantially this year, and I think
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Speaker 4: the Jets is actually a little surprising with me how
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Speaker 4: poorly they've done. But I think he has changed the
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Speaker 4: narrative around himself. Now what's interesting for Winnipeg is do
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Speaker 4: they think they can retool and go right back at
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Speaker 4: it again next year with him or does he become
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Speaker 4: the start of starting to move the chips around and
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Speaker 4: rebuild because the Central Division is so tough. So that's
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Speaker 4: a great question. But I think he just upped his
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Speaker 4: own value tremendously with that showing in the Olympics.
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Speaker 2: Back to the Mammoth, and we touched on this a
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Speaker 2: little bit earlier, but with the reintegration of Cooley and
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Speaker 2: I guess maybe to a lesser, lesser extent Kerfoot at
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Speaker 2: least from a prominent standpoint. There's a couple of ways
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Speaker 2: you can manage these things in any sport from a
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Speaker 2: hockey perspective, and the Olympic break and they had some
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Speaker 2: time to practice. Do you throw them right back in?
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Speaker 2: Do you just say, all right, we're going to pretend
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Speaker 2: that those injuries never happened. How is bear going to
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Speaker 2: handle this? Not just in that Avalanche game, but you know,
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Speaker 2: you get one day arrest and then another tough one
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Speaker 2: as we already talked about with Minnesota.
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Speaker 3: When you're getting coolly back in.
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Speaker 2: How aggressive are you with that that process?
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Speaker 4: I think I only managed Cooli's minutes if he is
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Speaker 4: meeting it from a recovery standpoint, if he has a setback,
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Speaker 4: or he has some soreness or what have you. But
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Speaker 4: other than that, I put him right back to where
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Speaker 4: he was. You know, trust that the recovery process has
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Speaker 4: gone well for him. And now for him, I mean,
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Speaker 4: the guy in this twenty eight games, he's trying to
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Speaker 4: catch a moving trip. Really, the only way you're going
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Speaker 4: to do that is by getting in his case, you know,
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Speaker 4: your regular minutes he logs, you know, eighteen nineteen minutes
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Speaker 4: a night, getting him out there, trying to just keep
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Speaker 4: pumping them out in all situations, getting him that power
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Speaker 4: play time and let him find his feel again. And
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Speaker 4: I'm confident he will. He's a very high skilled player.
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Speaker 4: Curvefoot is another guy who I think is pretty critical
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Speaker 4: to this team, and I hope he stays healthy here
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Speaker 4: the rest of the way because he can really drive
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Speaker 4: that bottom six. He's a smart, savvy veteran player, doesn't
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Speaker 4: mind playing a physical game, is pretty smart defensively and
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Speaker 4: understands how to play within his limits. So I love
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Speaker 4: bringing him back as well. But again, same thing with Curfoot.
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Speaker 4: Unless there's a need to manage the minutes because of
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Speaker 4: the physical recovery aspects, I don't worry about it. I
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Speaker 4: just put him back out there and say, all right,
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Speaker 4: you guys are as close to one hundred percent as
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Speaker 4: you're going to get. You're ready to go. Let's go.
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Speaker 2: So a couple of games left on a minor home
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Speaker 2: stand here, Minnesota, then Chicago, and you start a nice
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Speaker 2: long road stretch Washington, Philly, Columbus, Chicago again, and Minnesota again.
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Speaker 2: I'm sure we'll have an opportunity to talk with you
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Speaker 2: maybe sometime next week, but.
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Speaker 3: These are crucial points.
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Speaker 2: You're in a home stretch now, and it's not going
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Speaker 2: to get any easier if we know anything about the
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Speaker 2: way the NHL seasons shape up towards the end, So
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Speaker 2: that the final two in this homestand and then the
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Speaker 2: road trip, how many points does this team need?
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Speaker 4: Well, I said, at the beginning of the year, I
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Speaker 4: figured it was going to take ninety five to make
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Speaker 4: the playoffs in the West, maybe ninety six, And I
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Speaker 4: think that that's still pretty accurate. So coming through this trip,
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Speaker 4: I mean, at this point, if they're going to they
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Speaker 4: have sixty four, they really need to play at a
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Speaker 4: pace where they're picking up probably two thirds of their points,
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Speaker 4: pushing games to overtime, getting that extra point where they can. Yeah,
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Speaker 4: there's going to be some losses in there along the way,
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Speaker 4: but they have to be better than five hundred free
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Speaker 4: out of every five is nice, but I'd really like
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Speaker 4: to see it be more, you know too, out of
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Speaker 4: every three possible points, and through the road trip that's
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Speaker 4: going to be tough. But here's the reason why this
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Speaker 4: road trip now becomes even more critical. Not only are
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Speaker 4: you reintegrating your players back others from the Olympics or
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Speaker 4: from injury, but also that's when you're gonna have your
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Speaker 4: team set. That's when you know, hey, we're through the
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Speaker 4: trade deadline and we know what's going on now. So
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Speaker 4: that is exactly you know who you're going to have
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Speaker 4: down the stretch. And that road trip actually will be
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Speaker 4: a nice bonding experience for if there are any new
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Speaker 4: players in there, then they you know, guys tend to
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Speaker 4: get a little closer on the road and learn one
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Speaker 4: another a little quicker on the road, So maybe that's
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Speaker 4: coming up at the right time and they just have
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Speaker 4: to learn to play better away from Delta Center. They've
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Speaker 4: loved the home cooking this year, but they got to
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Speaker 4: do just a little bit better on the r.
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Speaker 2: Tom, appreciate you giving us time as always, Thank you
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Speaker 2: for joining us.
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Speaker 4: Sir, absolutely thanks for having me on. We'll talk to
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Speaker 4: you soon.
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Speaker 2: Locked on Mammoth, that's Tom Callahan, NHL Insider, Mammoth Insider,
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