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WoW to OSRS: Savix · Wall Friends

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  Welcome back to the podcast miniseries Wow to Old School,
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  where I'm talking with Wow creators that tried Old School
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  Runescape to try and see what they thought of it, what they're
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  thinking of that other game they used to play and everything in
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  between. Two of the world's biggest MMORP
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  GS and a bunch of conversations regarding those things.
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  Today I'm talking with the Wow streamer that was second in line
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  for the domino effect right after Goozu, one of the players
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  that has truly embraced Old School Runescape is still
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  actively playing to this day. I'll be honest, I was feeling
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  very jealous up until this interview because it seems like
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  all of my friends got in a call and talked with this guy before
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  me. Well, I don't know where I was,
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  but it wasn't in a call with them, that's for sure.
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  So I finally made it happen. I feel like this guy's always
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  having more fun than anyone else, except for when he gets
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  pelted with a fastball at the OTK event directly in the back
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  of the head getting concussed. I think we were probably having
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  more fun than him after that. Everything.
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  Every time else though, every other time he's been having way
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  more fun probably. Ladies and gentlemen, enjoy this
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  conversation with Savix. Savix.
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  Hello. It's good to have you here.
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  Thank you. How long have you been playing
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  World of Warcraft? How long have I been playing
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  World of Warcraft? Ever since I was in fifth grade
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  I believe. Or 6th grade, can't really
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  remember but it's. Like 3 years ago or how long,
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  how long goes that? It's a scary number, I'd say
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  like 20 years ago. So did you start playing like
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  like would Wow first launch or like how far into Wow expansions
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  did you start playing? So we grew up playing Blizzard
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  games. We as in me and my brothers, and
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  they were a lot older, so they got into these gaming stuff
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  earlier. And I was a kid.
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  I followed along my brother's footsteps, playing like Diablo
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  2, Warcraft 2, Warcraft three, like everything, right?
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  Yeah. And then one of my brothers
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  started playing World of Warcraft.
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  Funny enough, me and my older brother used to make fun of him
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  saying, like, World of Warcrafts are losers.
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  We hear, like, you get no life, right?
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  Yeah. And there was a day where my
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  brother went to swim practice. And then I started playing on
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  his account because he's like, yo, just try it out for once.
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  It'll be really fun. So I made a dwarf hunter,
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  played, fell in love with it. I just played on trial accounts
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  for two months straight, I believe, or three.
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  It might have been longer and trial accounts back then were
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  only like 7 days, right? So I've been just like going
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  through everyone's like trial accounts.
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  But yeah, since like 2004, close to 2005 probably.
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  OK. And did you ever take any like
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  big breaks at all? Like it was already expansions,
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  you kind of just didn't mess with it, just kind of stepped
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  away at all. Or did you kind of play through
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  all of it? The only big break I really had
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  was when I was going into my high school, which was when
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  Rather the List King was just releasing.
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  And I was like, I played this game way too much.
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  I can't even believe that I had that thought as a kid.
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  But I was like, yeah, I played this game way too much.
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  I'm going to stop playing and have a life in high school,
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  right? Yeah.
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  But funny thing, I come back from school and all my table is
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  rather the listing expansion box.
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  And my character was on the boat to Borean Tundra.
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  And my second brother bought me this expansion so that I could
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  play with him. And you know, it was on my table
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  and my character was as logged in.
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  It was like a surprise. I was like, how can I see noted
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  this? And then I started playing
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  again. I think that was like a little
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  break I had. I never took like a really long
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  break off of like when I tried Lost Ark, Final Fantasy and
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  oysters, which is like pretty recent of the years, right?
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  So basically stayed is like your home base, like you just always
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  had wow to go back to basically. Pretty much I really, really
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  enjoyed. Well.
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  Nice, nice, good stuff. So when it comes to like your
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  approach to games, especially Mmos, how would you describe
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  your play style and like approach to just the way that
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  you see the game, how you want to play it?
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  Like, you know, some players are more casual about it, some are
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  like, I got to complete everything, like completionist
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  mentality. How do you go into games,
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  especially Wow? In World of Warcraft I did have
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  like a completionist mentality, but as expansions continue
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  coming out, it's like, oh man, another set of dailies.
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  I got to get exalted with these exalt with that reputation farms
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  like Mog farm, like it just became too much at a point.
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  And I was mainly APVP guy that wanted to get like rank one
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  titles and mounds and tabbers shoulders like you get like
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  special enchants for your weapons.
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  So I aimed for those later, but I do like going in the
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  traditional route. And luckily enough, I think if
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  we could speak about OSRS here is that there are changes and
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  there is new additions. But I love how you can go
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  through the same step that other people went through and kind of
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  go through the same route they went and experienced the same
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  thing. And I really like that in trying
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  out games where I get to really take that step by step going
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  through what other people went. So I try to, I try to like dip
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  my toes in everything I can now instead of just playing PvP
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  only. Gotcha.
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  So I like to try out everything and see what I like from that.
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  And I'll probably learn more into that side, Right, Right.
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  Whether it be PP or PPE. So would you like say that if
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  there was like a label put on you as a player, like PvP, uh,
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  would probably be the most applicable or not anymore?
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  I don't really play super competitive or super sweaty
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  anymore. I think the last time I did that
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  was like 2021. OK, now I try to go in a casual
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  route because I'm pretty sure you've like done super hard
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  grindy stuff or something super competitive like in your own
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  story in your own life, right? And I think I'm at that age
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  where I got to try everything and I feel like for me, I got to
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  achieve what I wanted or go to the top that I wanted to.
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  And now I want to just relax and enjoy the game in my own pace.
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  Right. Yeah, I totally get that.
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  I say that, but at the same time there's like if if my friends
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  are doing this, I'm like, shoot, I do want to do that, but I
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  don't go like super sweat like 20 hours a day like long time
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  ago. Yeah, no, I get that completely.
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  Yeah. So right now in the the World of
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  Warcraft landscape, like there is a lot going on with like
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  anniversary servers, hardcore servers, a Legion remix, Mop
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  classic retail, there's just a lot over there happening.
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  And since you've been over here in the in the old school world
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  for a while, when you, when you glance back over there at this
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  community you, you were a part of for so long, what what are
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  your collective thoughts about it right now at the current
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  state of World of Warcraft in general?
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  Gosh, can I answer it however I want?
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  Like how do I ever you like give me a little guideline.
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  However, you want just your job. I want, yeah, like what do I,
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  what do I think about the direction, what the Warcraft is
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  going through right now? Yeah, just.
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  Just anything. Just like they have.
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  Yeah, just like your initial thoughts, like, you know, you're
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  walking forward and you're glancing backwards at all these
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  Wow titles behind you, like the Wow, the Blizzard, like you just
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  looking back, like what are your thoughts now that you've kind of
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  stepped back from it a little bit?
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  This is such a big question. It is, yeah.
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  Now that I'm playing Osaurus, when I look at it, I think it's
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  normal. I I'm pretty sure you'd feel it
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  if you play world of workout for a long time.
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  If you look back at Oscar Runescape, if that was your main
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  MMO, right, like you, you feel like a part of it is your home,
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  right. So when I look at while right
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  now, it's like, Dang, I did miss it, but I'm loving the journey I
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  have in OSRS right now and I'd like to achieve the goals that
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  I'm aiming for and then probably along the line, I'll go back,
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  right? I think Tim the Tat man said it
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  the best. He was playing classic Wild and
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  he was like, this is like grandma's pie, like no one can
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  do it like this, right? So for me, going back to classic
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  Wild is that vibe where it has a special spot in my heart because
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  I played it so long and so many times, right?
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  And then the cool part about it is that if I go back, it won't
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  be necessarily like the same experience, but the playthrough
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  is about the same where we go from dead mines to stalk is to
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  like SM. You know what I mean, right?
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  There's a stepping stone. And that's what I meant by like
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  Oscar Runescape earlier where I get to go through the steps of
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  like dragon Slayer, dragon Slayer 2 or desert treasure.
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  Like I love that we could go through these and it's so fun
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  and going back to the World of Warcraft, I feel like it's a
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  very good game. It's a very good game.
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  It's just we played it too long and there's no additions for
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  classic. Well, so since I've pretty much
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  did everything I wanted to in classic, well, I I think right
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  now is a really good time for me to try out different Mmos,
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  right? But if they were to do classic
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  plus and if they do it right, like I would love to go back and
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  try it and I hope they do it right.
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  I think we're just all scared that, you know, it might not be
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  that direction. That's what perfect.
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  Perfect segue, because that's my next question is the fact that
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  you said hope they do it right. What do you think about Classic
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  Plus? Because I mean that's like
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  that's the big deal. Like Classic plus when talking
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  about World of Warcraft is what everybody is just waiting around
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  for hoping that it comes out. So in your eyes, you know, what
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  would make it so that it's right because you know, the World of
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  Warcraft is a very vertical progression.
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  And you know, if if you're talking about creating a whole
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  new wow experience, you know, my biggest question with it is, is
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  how do you kind of escape that end game gameplay loop of like,
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  you know, is this just going to be a different farming for pre
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  Bis and then getting Bis and then waiting for the next patch?
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  Or like, how is it going to separate itself from the current
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  format of Wow? Like without, you know, making
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  it not feel like Wow. I love that you're questioning
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  about this because I really wanted to cover this topic in
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  one of my other videos. But yeah, I think for we're,
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  we're just nerds. We want to have a good MMO,
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  right? And we love classic Wow as much
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  as we love OSRS, right? But trying out different Mmos,
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  different times, super fun. I think by pretty much kind of
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  said it at the start too, right? The replayability, I think
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  that's really important in Classic.
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  Plus, I'm not sure if you played Season of Discovery.
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  Have you touched upon that at all?
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  Only the first like 25 levels when it first came out, yeah.
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  OK, if I could tell you the story of season discovery, I
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  don't think they necessarily missed.
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  I think they had a good aim in the dartboard.
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  It's just the directions they went were a little bit in the
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  way of players disliking it, right?
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  Basically, I think one through 25, finding these rooms for new
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  ability, those are perfect. But the pacing and the addition
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  to some of the things was where they screwed up the pacing and
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  what they were adding. So basically they added these
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  ways to skip everything and just level up super fast.
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  And there's a vendor that just gives you ruins like candy.
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  You can just buy all of them, right?
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  Yeah. And I think that ruins the game
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  if they do that. I didn't know.
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  They did that because I remember when I first started, you had to
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  go like search for a rune somewhere, like this mysterious
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  rune or something like that. Right, right.
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  So their aim was correct. I think like the first part was
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  really good and then the last part, the Scarlet Enclave that I
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  think it was great. But if I could explain it in the
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  way like you could understand and the viewers can understand
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  is that they they need to in the future classic plus or any Mmos
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  in the future. They've really got to make it
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  replayable, and I think that's super important.
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  And I say this because Retail Wild loses that touch where
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  Retail Wild is really fun in its own ways, right?
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  But if I were to explain to people about my Legion or World
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  of Dodrano or Mr. Pondaria achievements, like not a lot of
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  people could relate to that because they didn't get to play
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  that expansion and they just played the newest expansion,
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  right? Right.
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  But if I talk about Classic Wow, everyone could relate to like
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  going to Westfall or going to Barrens, going to like STV you
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  encounter in like PvP. Same thing in old school
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  Runescape, like when I first played like people are trying to
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  bait me or lure me into the wildy right?
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  And they're telling me all these boss fights like that exists in
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  Classic Wow and OSR is because there is that replayability.
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  I know there's like new crabs and there's like sailing come
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  out like there's new additions. But you can still play it in the
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  same way As for retail Wow. You lose all that.
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  Like it's just it's just level to Max, do the Max content and
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  do the raid that's available now.
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  And you can't you can't play the older raids.
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  But it's not the same as we know, right?
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  Yeah. And I feel like that hurts the
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  game, and for some people it works.
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  They just want to do the new raise, new keys, new
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  achievements, etcetera, but in a way where we can all connect and
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  appreciate the game's history. I think the replayability is
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  really, really important and I hope they do that correctly.
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  Do do you have any ideas or like directions of what would create
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  some kind of replayability in a classic plus?
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  Well, I guess if you've done a warrior and I'm sure you've done
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  a warrior, you know how there's like steps to getting your SM
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  set, the head rod set and then you get the whirlwind acts like
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  those are like memories, right? And then everyone that played
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  Classic out there, like, yo, if you're a first time player, go
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  play that or go get that, right? And as an old player, it's so
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  fun to watch new players like go and tackle that solo.
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  And it's great. It's kind of like how Tyler One
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  played World of Warcraft Classic for the first time and all the
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  veterans of the wild loved watching that because we can all
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  relate in a way, right? And it's that replayability is
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  available for them to go play that.
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  It might not be the most exciting because it's so
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  outdated. All you do is throw knives and
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  just skip around the water. But it's still fun to see their
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  reaction of getting the loot and I'm killing the boss because
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  it's something you achieve in the game, right?
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  It's like one of those harder steps than just killing a random
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  mob, right, Right. And I guess now that I'm playing
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  OSRS, is that these OSRS streamers or viewers, they like
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  watching the fresh people play and going through the same
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  experience that I went through as like Tyler did, right?
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  Where I'm doing Jet and we have like 30,000 people watching.
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  It's just like people like to watch that nostalgic feel, and I
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  think being able to do that is awesome.
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  And if they could add things, yeah, it's just like common
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  bosses. I guess.
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  The real challenge for them, though, is that there's a lot of
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  classes in Wow, right? And they would have to make
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  something iconic for that class that everyone gets to enjoy
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  doing, right? And, and they did a little bit
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  of that in Season the Discovery. I don't think it was terrible.
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  I think some parts they did right, some parts they missed,
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  and that's up to the people to decide on.
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  But I really do think they should add a fun little things
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  and fun little bosses that are memorable.
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  I'd even say in OSRS, I like the moons, the Titans.
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  Now I'm in the Red Prison, which is the gauntlet.
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  And yeah, I like those steps. Even though it's like a prison,
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  it's like a step that every Iron Man's go through and I get to
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  experience the same thing, right?
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  And I like those bosses. They're like challenging.
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  And the Red Prison is pretty damn challenging, I'll say.
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  But it is fun. It's fun and that's what gamers
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  like. They like to just tackle and try
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  to beat the boss and then get the loot they need, right?
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  Definitely. And that's why I like Dark Souls
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  or Elden Ring is popular too. It's just like bad ass hard
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  bosses just trying to tackle and kill and once you kill it, it's
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  like, damn, I massive the fight got the loot, let's move on to
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  the next boss, right, And it's those fun challenges.
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  So I I want classic wild to add some fun challenges, right?
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  Hopefully they do figure out like some angle to create that
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  replayability because I, I that probably is one of the hardest
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  things to create, especially for an MMO where you know, you're
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  expected to sink hundreds and hundreds of hours into a
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  character or you know, in Runescapes case, an account and
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  having someone come back and restart is always a challenge.
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  Like creating something that people are going to want to
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  invest that time again sort of thing.
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  Replayability with Wow, I guess some some might argue that like
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  creating a new character with a new class could be considered
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  replaying it, but it's just like a weird, I don't, it doesn't
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  feel like replayability is the right way to describe it, if
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  that makes sense. Like I, I'm not sure where it's
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  at, but hopefully they do make some systems and some bosses and
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  content that, you know, becomes somewhat of like an iconic pit
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  stop, you know, like barrows and old school kind of thing.
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  Yeah, I'd love that. It's it's a fun way to like play
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  the game. I will say the challenge in
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  Waldo again, it's the classes where an old school Runescape
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  like this shifted my view in Mmos.
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  By the way, I kind of love how OSRS has no classes.
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  Yeah, and everyone can do merely arranged or magic, right?
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  I think that's freaking awesome. It is really cool.
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  And that also makes it where no one's complaining about their
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  class. Like I don't see anyone saying
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  oh man, my magic sucks like or in a while, it's like my rogue
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  DPS sucks or my major DPS sucks, right?
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  And there's all these classes crying, but I don't really see
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  that in this game, which is really, really cool.
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  Yeah, definitely. Well, I guess to kind of rewind
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  a little bit to kind of get into the old school discussion going
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  back to the summer, you know, this mass migration of Wow
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  players just all came over. Were you?
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  It was like 2 weeks or something after all the other guys had
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  gotten here. I remember you.
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  No, it was, it was uh, Guzu and then me and then everyone else
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  came in Sardalkos Ario, yes. OK, I got it.
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  I got everyone's order mixed up. Then I I knew Sardaka was was
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  later. Yeah.
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  I knew Sardaka was later. Yeah.
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  Sardaka was later. I guess the way I'm thinking
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  about it is like, do you remember how long Guzu was
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  playing before you had started? It might have been like 2 to 3
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  weeks. OK, that's what was in my head.
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  I I figured I didn't realize it was such a big gap between Guzu
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  and and when everyone else had kind of like looked over in the
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  direction. OK, that makes more sense.
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  Yeah, yeah, now that you're mentioning it.
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  Yeah, it definitely. I I do remember you being the
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  next like big stream that of like a wow guy coming out.
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  That doesn't make sense. It's all it's all blurring
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  together for me at this point, but.
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  But it's been a while. We've been thinking for like 4
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  months now, yeah. All you guys are in the fucking
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  corrupted golly right now. It's crazy.
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  Like that's how far you guys are.
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  It's been so long. But I guess rewinding to that,
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  you know, obviously Guzu was was playing it, but do you remember
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  what your initial reason, like the like the tip of the iceberg
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  that made you really want to go for it and try out Old School
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  Runescape? For me, every breakfast I eat, I
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  try to like, see what my friends are doing.
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  And I'd go say hi to Guzu. And then his community would be
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  all like, Savage, come play OSRS, come play OSRS.
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  And then Goose, like, yeah, you should join us, right?
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  And I was like, I'll, I'll think about it, right?
• 20:02
  And at that time, I was already playing League of Legend because
• 20:04
  Classic Wow, you know, I've played, it's so much, right?
• 20:09
  Yeah, I played so much. And since they don't add like
• 20:12
  classic plus or anything, and I already beat season of
• 20:14
  discovery, they also mentioned that they're going to cut off
• 20:16
  season of discovery. So I was like, OK, why am I even
• 20:18
  playing this then if there's no, you know, continuous addition to
• 20:22
  the game, right, right. So I was like, OK, I'll give it
• 20:26
  a shot. So I I came open minded because
• 20:30
  back in my elementary school, I fought with kids saying that,
• 20:35
  you know, OSRS doesn't look as good, right?
• 20:37
  But I was super wrong. I was super wrong.
• 20:40
  Yeah. I thought it was a web browser
• 20:42
  clicker game. But there's so much in depth to
• 20:44
  it. And I will say like, I think
• 20:46
  this might be the most grindest MMO I've played.
• 20:49
  Oh yeah, yeah, it's. Very grind.
• 20:52
  Very unique grinds at that. Like, it's not, you can't really
• 20:55
  even compare it to other. It's like grindy Mmos because
• 20:58
  the grinds are just so in their own genre, I guess.
• 21:02
  Yeah. But yeah, that's blowing sand
• 21:04
  and I get 55 per blow and it's like I got a distal 99.
• 21:09
  Hello. Like what is the?
• 21:11
  Yeah, it's very grindy. But yeah, that's how I got
• 21:14
  started playing the game. Yeah, so you were on the front
• 21:17
  lines basically, you know, trash talk and Runescape graphics back
• 21:22
  in the day then? Yes, I was one of those guys
• 21:26
  that really loved Wow. And I will say, I think for
• 21:29
  2004, if I could compare Runescape and Wow, I think Wow
• 21:33
  was like kind of a monster back. Oh, miles ahead of basically
• 21:38
  everything. Not just like obviously
• 21:39
  Runescape, but everything like it was a.
• 21:41
  It was a monster. It was unstoppable.
• 21:44
  Revolution I. Will say I will say now I think
• 21:47
  OSRS is better than classic wow because of how much they added
• 21:51
  to the game. Like all these fun bossing and
• 21:55
  these skills. I I I really like it.
• 21:58
  Like in terms of content available sort of thing.
• 22:01
  Yes, in in terms of that, because classic well paused at
• 22:04
  2004, right. They never added anything.
• 22:06
  Well, I guess you can say like 2005, 2006, but they never added
• 22:10
  anything like Old School Runescape did.
• 22:11
  So back in 2004, I'll say World of Warcraft was like peak, but I
• 22:15
  think nowadays I think you can say OSRS is doing fantastic man.
• 22:20
  Yeah, definitely. I'm so curious.
• 22:22
  All this. Stuff.
• 22:22
  Yeah. Like now that you mentioned
• 22:23
  that, I'm so curious of what you guys would think if you got to
• 22:28
  log into the 2013 client of Old School Runescape before any
• 22:33
  updates or quality of life were put in.
• 22:35
  Like, yeah, it was a whole different game, like using your
• 22:39
  arrow keys to turn your camera. Like it was brutal.
• 22:43
  But you guys didn't even have the middle mouse.
• 22:44
  Yeah, no middle mouse. Yeah, it was.
• 22:47
  Yeah, it was crazy. You couldn't change your F keys
• 22:50
  like nothing. Yeah, that's what I mean.
• 22:53
  I probably would have liked. Yeah, most people would have.
• 22:56
  It was old school, was not like people were excited, but it it
• 23:00
  was not big really until they started putting their own
• 23:03
  updates in. So yeah, the fact that they're
• 23:05
  not updating Classic Wow at all, definitely.
• 23:08
  I mean, it speaks volumes because I mean, we've seen it
• 23:11
  over here. What just giving a rollback
• 23:14
  client looks like it doesn't do much by itself.
• 23:17
  Like you have to attend to it, add to it, update it if you want
• 23:21
  it to survive. And of course, old school has
• 23:24
  been out for 12 years now. So it's like they they figured
• 23:27
  it out. Obviously it's breaking records
• 23:29
  this year, so it's it's awesome. Yeah, it's so awesome to see
• 23:33
  that. Yeah, but going back to when you
• 23:36
  first started, do you remember just your first week, you know,
• 23:40
  you're logging in, you're experiencing this kind of
• 23:43
  sandbox MMO for the first time of just your impressions, like
• 23:47
  your first impressions of the game, like what was going
• 23:50
  through your head each day would were logging in for that first
• 23:53
  would. Oscar Runescape.
• 23:55
  Yeah, on Oscar Runescape. OK, like I said, I came with a
• 23:59
  super open minded and I've done this for Final Fantasy 14 and
• 24:02
  Lost Ark and Blade and Soul. So coming into this, I will say
• 24:08
  the first few days I I did meme a lot because I was like
• 24:12
  clicking stuff. I'm just auto attacking these
• 24:15
  guys all fall over. There's like no real mechanic,
• 24:18
  right? And I continued playing though,
• 24:21
  because I did see like what the other side looks like and I
• 24:25
  heard about how challenging it gets.
• 24:27
  So I was like, OK, I'm looking forward to that.
• 24:29
  So I'm gonna go through this to see that.
• 24:32
  Right yeah, and I'm so glad I stuck around and I got to see
• 24:35
  all these like amazing bosses, like toe out.
• 24:38
  I guess like the first step was Scurious.
• 24:39
  When I first saw Scurious, I was like, okay, this game actually
• 24:43
  has mechanics and you got to pray right, Mealy range and
• 24:48
  magic and you got to beat up this rat kill ads like I was
• 24:51
  like OK, this is really, really cool yeah.
• 24:53
  I can't wait to see what like more they have in the future.
• 24:58
  Yeah, and from the OSRS event we had, we got to do the Theater of
• 25:03
  Blood. And recently I did, I did Toa
• 25:06
  and Cox, and I was like, dude, this is super fun.
• 25:08
  Yeah, like so much that clicking game actually has so much to
• 25:13
  offer, which is crazy. I'll never forget you getting
• 25:18
  your fire Cape and seeing your ass run underneath Jad through
• 25:22
  it with those. That's the high IQ mechanics.
• 25:25
  I'm like, what study guide was this motherfucker using?
• 25:28
  Dude? Like that's crazy.
• 25:31
  That's that's wild. But yeah, it's cool.
• 25:33
  It's cool seeing all like the the mechanics kind of open up
• 25:36
  to. You.
• 25:36
  I thought I was going to die though, because so once I
• 25:40
  studied were the ones where like he's on the side and you go down
• 25:44
  and kill the ads, right? And then you go back up.
• 25:46
  Yeah, when I saw that orange guy spawn in the middle, I was like,
• 25:48
  oh shoot, I'm fucked guys. Yeah, but I remember like my
• 25:52
  chest saying you could go under him.
• 25:54
  Just have to pray mealy. And I said OK, I'm going to try
• 25:56
  that. And at that moment, I just tried
• 25:58
  it, sent it, and I executed it properly and you got to beat
• 26:02
  him. It's just freaking awesome.
• 26:03
  I was a disbelief. Panic.
• 26:05
  Yeah. Yeah, I mean, it's usually like
• 26:07
  a a rite of passage to panic in that situation.
• 26:09
  Like I feel like most people would just completely botch
• 26:12
  that. So I was just mind blown when
• 26:14
  you just Florida State pulled it off.
• 26:16
  Like, I can't believe you did that.
• 26:18
  It's so cool. But I guess, I guess that just
• 26:20
  goes to show like, yeah, like these mechanics that you would
• 26:23
  have never, ever guessed Runescape would have, like just
• 26:27
  on first glance sort of thing. I would have never.
• 26:29
  Yeah. So did you ever try the whole
• 26:33
  like guide list thing or or were you kind of embracing the the
• 26:38
  wiki and and quest helper like pretty much off the bat?
• 26:42
  There's like a me in my chat where they spam read read,
• 26:45
  right? Because I never freaking read
• 26:47
  and they tried so many times to make me like read wiki and go
• 26:51
  through them. I did use the quest helper.
• 26:53
  However, I didn't really use wiki as much as I should have.
• 26:57
  So I feel bad because the community really wanted me to
• 27:00
  learn the wiki. To this day I barely use it.
• 27:06
  But yeah, I did kind of like a quest helper but didn't really
• 27:10
  have a structure that I followed.
• 27:12
  I think that's why I was kind of slow on my skilling, but looking
• 27:16
  back now, I kind of wish I followed the Bodie's guide.
• 27:20
  I looked at it and it's like holy moly, this guy's min maxing
• 27:23
  and you could get to this level in like 3 days, which took me
• 27:27
  like days to get to. Yeah like the agility levelling.
• 27:33
  I levelled it up in like Vera Camelot, you know, I I levelled
• 27:37
  it up in these weird places. You have no idea Jimmy.
• 27:40
  Yeah. And I see, I see Bodie like
• 27:42
  levelling everything in this, like the place he goes into in
• 27:46
  the in the island. I don't know where what you call
• 27:48
  that place. When you first start or where?
• 27:51
  No, there, there's, this isn't the Koran Bungee Island?
• 27:55
  Yeah, I think so. In Brimhaven, there's like this
• 27:57
  agility area you could go in and then you could do the course to
• 28:00
  level up. Oh.
• 28:01
  The brimhaven agility course. Like the one obstacle that
• 28:03
  people jump over, over and over, is that what you're?
• 28:06
  Talking about pretty pretty much pretty much where I levelled up
• 28:10
  to like 73 just climbing houses, right?
• 28:12
  I wish I knew about that place, but.
• 28:14
  I didn't, yeah. It's, it's really interesting
• 28:17
  just all the various methods of, of training skills that people
• 28:22
  kind of figure out because the whole like agility, Broomhaven
• 28:25
  thing wasn't really meta until I feel like recently maybe maybe
• 28:30
  people were using it. But I had never heard of people
• 28:32
  doing that up until like the Wow guys came over.
• 28:34
  Yeah, like I'd never known anyone that trained that way.
• 28:36
  But I mean, maybe, maybe people have been doing that forever,
• 28:39
  but who knows. Yeah.
• 28:42
  Once you started playing a little bit and you kind of found
• 28:45
  yourself continuing your, your journey, there was a there was a
• 28:50
  saying being thrown around a lot throughout the Twitch chats and
• 28:54
  you know, YouTube comments of everyone's saying progression
• 28:58
  matters in Old School Runescape. That was like the big argument
• 29:01
  of why Wow players are enjoying it.
• 29:04
  I mean, I don't have much credentials to be like, yeah,
• 29:07
  yeah, progression matters over here more than over there
• 29:09
  because I've only leveled like a few times and Wow.
• 29:11
  So I I don't have the stuff to back me up here.
• 29:14
  But from your perspective, does the the whole progression
• 29:18
  matters statement that everyone throws around so much, does that
• 29:21
  actually apply or is it kind of over said overdone?
• 29:26
  Progression meaning like going to barrows, to moons, like that
• 29:31
  kind of stuff. Yeah, just.
• 29:32
  Everything like your progression matters in general.
• 29:34
  Like just, I think it's obviously it's going to, it's a
• 29:38
  contrast to the fact that when you're playing World of
• 29:42
  Warcraft, a lot of players feel like they're constantly like on
• 29:45
  a timer to get their best in slot before it becomes
• 29:48
  irrelevant and their gear kind of gets overwritten essentially.
• 29:56
  I think that's mostly what they're talking about.
• 29:58
  OK, I don't know if I'm going to answer this the way you're
• 30:00
  questioning it, but I do think I really like how you do TOA to
• 30:06
  get the staff right. That's like the best spot.
• 30:09
  And then you did Theater of Blood to get the scythe, which
• 30:12
  is the best and soft melee, and you did Cox to get the twisted
• 30:15
  bow, right. And if I could backtrack a
• 30:19
  little bit, like getting the barrels geared definitely does
• 30:22
  help in moons. I don't think you need, although
• 30:24
  if you're like a good player, right, but it definitely helps
• 30:27
  and I like that. I think it's very good that you
• 30:30
  have a choice of wanting to get it or not, right.
• 30:34
  And then now if I can Fast forward to the end game stuff, I
• 30:37
  really like that there's weapons that are best in slot in each
• 30:41
  race where you have to go back and do them.
• 30:43
  Because, for instance, like Molten Core and BWL, yes, there
• 30:48
  are some trinkets that maybe you didn't get because there's like
• 30:50
  50 rogues or 50 warriors in your group and you never get your
• 30:54
  turn right, so you have to go get it.
• 30:57
  But I like that there's like these best install item where
• 31:00
  you have to go back and do these contents.
• 31:03
  Yeah, definitely. And I guess to answer the whole
• 31:07
  progression thing, I like it. I like the steps you have to
• 31:12
  take because at the start of the interview too, I said that I
• 31:16
  like trying out everything. And then later on I lean on like
• 31:20
  whatever I like more, right? Right.
• 31:22
  Whether it be raid or doing mini bosses.
• 31:25
  But I like that I got to try all of these.
• 31:27
  And I think the progression's awesome because now I can relate
• 31:30
  with other OSRS players and talk about things in a way I could
• 31:34
  understand a tiny bit better, right, right.
• 31:37
  Whereas then if it's like retail, while when you get to
• 31:40
  maximum and you do the newest raid, it's like I'm not going to
• 31:42
  know anything about the previous stuff and it's all irrelevant in
• 31:47
  a way. Yeah, yeah, definitely.
• 31:49
  Yeah. I feel like anyone who goes and
• 31:50
  plays like retail off the bat, like a new player going to play
• 31:53
  retail, you're just you just you just go buy like 20 years of the
• 31:59
  end game history that you never see, never see it unless you're
• 32:02
  going and you become like a collector or something.
• 32:05
  You're trying to complete all the collection log over there.
• 32:09
  Yeah, but, and there's like pros and cons to that, right?
• 32:12
  You just get to skip to the best, like new stuff where you
• 32:16
  don't have to like do all the grind.
• 32:18
  And I guess that's where like people get to choose if they
• 32:20
  want that or not, right, Right. But retail Wow feels like a
• 32:23
  seasonal game where like this one is like you go on a journey
• 32:26
  and you enjoy like the traditional things that OSRS
• 32:30
  players have, right? And it's cool that I get to
• 32:32
  experience at all. I think it's so cool.
• 32:34
  So Speaking of experiencing it all and kind of bouncing off the
• 32:38
  what you were talking about, you know, there was like 50 rogues,
• 32:41
  so you didn't get the thing you needed kind of thing.
• 32:44
  A big selling point of old school, especially for Iron Man
• 32:49
  is the fact that you really don't need to play with other
• 32:53
  people to do the content in the game, especially if you need to
• 32:56
  get new gear or, you know, get your upgrades to, you know,
• 33:00
  progress your account a little more.
• 33:02
  What's been your thoughts so far on being able to just kind of go
• 33:06
  in with like a almost like a single player feel to complete
• 33:10
  things in the? I want to say I love it.
• 33:15
  Yeah, I I really like that I can go in and spam it as much as I
• 33:20
  want to get the drop. Yeah, because in well, you have
• 33:22
  to wait once a week, which could kind of be a bummer for raise,
• 33:26
  Of course, right. Yeah.
• 33:30
  I also, this is kind of like off topic, but I like that there is
• 33:34
  no tank or healer role in OSRS. It's just you bring your
• 33:38
  potions. If you fuck up, you're dead.
• 33:40
  It's your fault. There's no like, oh, I didn't
• 33:43
  get healed. Let's blame the healer, let's
• 33:45
  blame the tank. And NFFI also didn't like tanks
• 33:49
  because they could F up every single mechanic and they'll lift
• 33:52
  because they're so tanky, right? Yeah.
• 33:54
  But in this game, like, if you F up a mechanic, you get punished
• 33:57
  pretty harshly, right? And I really, really like that
• 34:01
  part about OSRS. And I think that's the unique
• 34:03
  part about OSRS where it's like classless, everyone's the same.
• 34:07
  You go in with the set of potions and you just send it
• 34:09
  home. Yeah, it is a cool part of it,
• 34:12
  especially since like there's not a there's nothing in the
• 34:15
  game like a an item that you know will be irrelevant to you.
• 34:20
  Like if you go and get a good drop somewhere, it's not going
• 34:23
  to be like class dependent, like, oh, I'm not a warrior so
• 34:26
  this doesn't matter for me. Like I'll just sell this or
• 34:28
  yeah, whatever. Like anything you get you can
• 34:31
  use sort of thing, which I think is really nice.
• 34:35
  I guess my time and Wow, it was kind of like, you know, there's
• 34:39
  so many times I left a dungeon disappointed or something
• 34:41
  because the thing that dropped just wasn't for me, you know?
• 34:44
  It's like, no, I get it. The warlock gets it, you know,
• 34:47
  It's like, yeah. So I like that aspect of it for
• 34:51
  sure. You said you've been doing some
• 34:54
  raids. Yeah, we've been doing tow cocks
• 34:57
  we're pretty new to, so in ALM 5 we're getting wrecked right now.
• 35:00
  But yeah, almost tough to learn. Definitely sharpened.
• 35:04
  Yeah, yeah. ALM is like, tremendously hard.
• 35:07
  Right now, the yeah, the first time, I'll never forget the
• 35:10
  first time where I was kind of being guided through and having
• 35:14
  to dodge those crystals falling was like a nightmare, like
• 35:17
  trying to just comprehend everything going on around me.
• 35:21
  It was just a. Yeah.
• 35:22
  Just overwhelming. So yeah, it's it's a very fun
• 35:26
  one to learn, super fun. Yeah.
• 35:28
  Through your journey so far, like looking back, did you, do
• 35:33
  you have a quest Cape at all or have you done a lot of the
• 35:35
  quests? I have a few quests left, I kind
• 35:40
  of like stopped for some reason, but you don't have to do the
• 35:44
  Diaries right? No, you don't need to do Diaries
• 35:47
  for quests. I have a handful of quests left,
• 35:49
  I could probably push for it, but it hasn't been my priority.
• 35:53
  Gotcha. So I yeah, just just to make
• 35:55
  sure that you've done like a good chunk of them, but just
• 35:59
  like looking back on everything so far, what would you say what
• 36:02
  part of the game has been your favorite experience?
• 36:06
  Like whether it's a certain grind that you were really
• 36:08
  enjoying or just the like experiencing bosses for the
• 36:11
  first time, like what really sticks out as your your
• 36:14
  highlight? This is going to sound weird,
• 36:16
  but I was in moons for a very long time and I wasn't Titan for
• 36:21
  a very long time. I think I'm almost like 636
• 36:24
  killing Titan to get all my stuff right.
• 36:27
  And at the time, I absolutely hated it when I was like, man,
• 36:31
  why am I being so unlucky where all my friends are getting in
• 36:34
  like 70 kills, right? Yeah.
• 36:36
  And I'm almost getting 700 kills.
• 36:39
  But the viewers were saying that it's trauma bonding, I guess.
• 36:44
  Yeah. And when I looked back and I was
• 36:46
  like, damn, that sucked. But at the same time I had fun
• 36:49
  grinding my ass like trying to get that item right 100.
• 36:53
  Percent, yeah. I do think I enjoyed the bosses
• 36:57
  a lot more. That's good.
• 36:59
  Yeah, it's. If I could choose one quest
• 37:01
  though, since the father, that was really good.
• 37:03
  Yes, since the. Father met the story too, yeah.
• 37:06
  Nice, have you done Desert Treasure 2 yet?
• 37:08
  I have not done that. I'm going to do the good things
• 37:12
  and desert treasures soon though.
• 37:13
  Yeah, I did. Both the people I talked to that
• 37:18
  said that they did not like quests, both said that Desert
• 37:21
  Treasure 2 was one of their favorite parts of of Old School
• 37:24
  Runescape. Yeah.
• 37:26
  So it's gonna be really fun watching you do that.
• 37:29
  I'm really excited, yeah. OK.
• 37:31
  That's like the, that's the quest that makes people into
• 37:34
  quests for a second. Like even if it's just for one
• 37:37
  quest, people get into it because of how cool that quest
• 37:39
  is. It's that good.
• 37:40
  Like it is by far the best. Yeah, it's not even close.
• 37:43
  So I'm, I'm stoked for you to do that one.
• 37:46
  I'm I'm excited. OK.
• 37:48
  I'm looking forward to that. Yeah.
• 37:50
  It's gonna be awesome. So I guess right now, you know,
• 37:54
  there's there's been a bunch of wow streamers who have you know,
• 37:57
  they tried Runescape. They they gave it a couple weeks
• 38:00
  wasn't really feeling it recently.
• 38:02
  The the recent topic has been Showbeck kind of burning out a
• 38:06
  little bit, not not finding himself like, you know,
• 38:08
  motivated to find a goal or anything like that.
• 38:11
  It's just like very natural parts of playing in MMO playing
• 38:15
  old school. So where would you say that you
• 38:19
  currently stand? Like do you have long term goals
• 38:22
  in mind that are kind of keeping you here or like how are how are
• 38:24
  you viewing old school right now?
• 38:26
  I I have a long term goal for sure.
• 38:29
  I said from the start I wanted to get fired Cape and then
• 38:31
  infernal Cape, right. I think infernal Cape itself is
• 38:35
  a challenge. Like I looked at wooks clearing
• 38:37
  it or my friends showing me them fighting it.
• 38:39
  You got to like set up the boss. You got to take up like mage,
• 38:42
  play, range, play mage, play range play like in a six second
• 38:45
  take and it's like, damn, it's so deep.
• 38:47
  And I'm an Iron Man, so I got to farm every single item before
• 38:51
  going there. So it's a really long stretch to
• 38:54
  goal and I'd love to get there. So that's like where my head
• 38:58
  space is at right now and I don't see myself like dropping
• 39:01
  it anytime soon. And if I could go back into
• 39:04
  Showbix thing. I know some people are being
• 39:06
  harsh, but I feel like he got to try the game and he's
• 39:10
  experienced it a lot more than some of the other wow people
• 39:13
  that tried it, right? Like Sony and the soda, like
• 39:17
  multiple other names, right? I, I will say he got far and he
• 39:22
  got quest Cape and it's up to him to see if he wants to
• 39:26
  continue it or not, right? And he might be burned.
• 39:29
  Maybe he saw like what the game is all about.
• 39:31
  It's very grindy. Maybe it's not for him.
• 39:33
  So I, I think people shouldn't hate on that, right?
• 39:37
  Oh, definitely not. Yeah.
• 39:39
  I think most people are upset though, like which I could see
• 39:42
  the perspective of is they're really invested in his story and
• 39:45
  he wanted to get like suck him and all these other things,
• 39:49
  right? And he told them he'll get them.
• 39:50
  And I guess those people are the ones that are mad because they
• 39:53
  were still invested, right? I can understand from both
• 39:56
  sides, but it's just unfortunate that there's like some clash on
• 40:00
  it, right? Yeah, definitely.
• 40:02
  Yeah, it's at the end of the day, I mean, all everyone's
• 40:06
  journey is so fun to watch and it's it's nice to get invested
• 40:09
  in somebody's story and journey and especially the players that
• 40:13
  have just been having a blast watching people try it for the
• 40:16
  first time. But at the end of the day, it's
• 40:19
  a video game. Like it's it like, you know
• 40:22
  that. Yeah, it doesn't.
• 40:24
  You know, if he says he's going to go get a Zuck helm on an Iron
• 40:26
  Man. First of all, if you ever if if
• 40:29
  you have any context whatsoever about Old School Runescape, you
• 40:34
  should know that a new player saying that they're going to go
• 40:37
  get an Iron Man Zuck helm is just something that you should
• 40:40
  playfully cheer on because there is no way that is going to
• 40:46
  happen. Why would you think that's going
• 40:48
  to happen at all? It's a hard thing to do man Like
• 40:51
  it's not one of the hardest things to achieve in video games
• 40:53
  like not just Mmos, but like that the the challenges you need
• 40:57
  to do for that are are insane. So I would never hold it against
• 41:00
  a new player. Be like, oh, you didn't do that
• 41:03
  thing you said you were going to do.
• 41:04
  Like, yeah, no shit. Like, no one, no one thought you
• 41:07
  were going to do that. Like, it's fine.
• 41:10
  Yeah. But you know, it's just like, it
• 41:12
  is. It is a game at the end of the
• 41:14
  day, like no one else's story is going to truly matter except for
• 41:19
  yourselves. And it's like you can't fault
• 41:22
  people for, you know, not having motivation to get a goal
• 41:28
  achieved on a game that asks for hundreds of hours of time
• 41:32
  investment. Like you can't demand that from
• 41:34
  somebody if it's not something they are really wanting to do.
• 41:37
  So I completely understand. I talked to him along for quite
• 41:42
  a while about it yesterday and got his perspective on it.
• 41:45
  And it definitely makes sense where he's coming from.
• 41:47
  I, I totally see that. But you know, it, it's I, I
• 41:51
  think as long as you do have a goal in mind that you're
• 41:53
  actually wanting, like as long as you have a desire to get that
• 41:56
  infernal Cape, you're going to have no problem logging in,
• 41:59
  working towards it. It's, that's just how that's how
• 42:03
  old school goes, I guess. But yeah, it's it's.
• 42:07
  Yeah, I I must say one of the most grinded MI played man, it's
• 42:11
  a it's a bad it's a good problem to have in MMI thing like having
• 42:16
  so much to do. Yeah, it's a good problem to
• 42:18
  have in a game, definitely, because then other Mmos like you
• 42:21
  kind of run out and you leave, right?
• 42:24
  Yeah, yeah, it it doesn't. I guess some players I see would
• 42:28
  would kind of see like the quest Cape as the end goal for a lot
• 42:33
  of stuff because I've definitely felt that way before.
• 42:35
  But just kind of looking at, you know, all the creators, all the
• 42:39
  series, all the streaming, it's like you can kind of see just
• 42:44
  how much potential there is to like find a new path to take and
• 42:47
  a new journey on a new account kind of thing.
• 42:50
  So. Yeah, it's awesome, man.
• 42:51
  It's. A never ending journey, like you
• 42:53
  could just seriously never beat the game and it's a great time
• 42:57
  watching everybody else. It's funny how you say that the
• 43:02
  never beat the game. It's like, I guess the
• 43:04
  definition depends on the players, But whenever I ask
• 43:07
  Chad, like, when do you beat the game, they always say never.
• 43:11
  And these guys are playing for like years and they still are
• 43:15
  collecting things, right? Yeah.
• 43:17
  I guess for me, it's like when you beat all the bosses, that's
• 43:20
  when you beat the game. But for them, it's like they
• 43:22
  have to have everything collected, all the logs
• 43:25
  completed, and it's like they'll never be able to achieve that,
• 43:27
  right? Right.
• 43:28
  It's literally endless. It's crazy.
• 43:31
  Well, the The thing is, funny enough, the first video I made
• 43:36
  that this video is going to be a sequel for is like the why
• 43:39
  people play Runescape. Like five years ago I had said
• 43:42
  in there like that Runescape, like you can't beat Runescape
• 43:45
  even if you were to get 200 million XP and everything full
• 43:48
  collection log, like there is nothing more you can truly
• 43:51
  achieve on the account. Your journey doesn't end there
• 43:54
  because you're making a new account like the it's not
• 43:57
  beaten. You don't think it's beaten in
• 43:59
  your head. That's why you started a new
• 44:00
  account. Like every maxed player has
• 44:02
  multiple accounts that they're on.
• 44:04
  Like it's just the way that their gaming life has worked.
• 44:07
  So even when you think it's beaten, which I mean, no one's
• 44:10
  even had an account that has achieved that yet.
• 44:13
  So it's like, you know, nobody ends their journey just on that
• 44:17
  one guy. Like, yeah, sure, that
• 44:19
  character's story did its own thing, but player to game, it's
• 44:24
  just not beatable. Like you'll you'll never be
• 44:26
  beating the game in that sense. So it's a very unique MMO in
• 44:31
  that sense, I think. Yeah, I agree with that.
• 44:34
  So at this point, would you say that Old School Runescape has
• 44:37
  kind of solidified itself as a permanent game to play like in
• 44:41
  your tool belt, especially on stream?
• 44:43
  Like for, I mean, I, I don't want to say years to have you
• 44:46
  say like, oh, playing this for years, but like, do you see it
• 44:49
  as a game that you could play in the future, like long down the
• 44:53
  road just whenever? Permanent.
• 44:55
  I, I, I don't know if like permanent is the right word
• 44:57
  because I thought Wow was going to be my permanent game, right?
• 45:01
  And at some point I thought Final Fantasy was going to be my
• 45:03
  permanent game. But once I got what I wanted,
• 45:07
  which was like doing an ultimate and Final Fantasy, right?
• 45:10
  It's one of the hardest ways. Takes like 3 months to learn.
• 45:14
  Some people could do it in a week or like a month, right?
• 45:16
  But yeah, for the average player, it takes like 6 months
• 45:19
  or a year to learn the ultimates.
• 45:22
  And once I beat the ultimate and got everything I wanted, I was
• 45:25
  like, OK, there's not much to do in here anymore, right?
• 45:29
  Because I got what I wanted. And I guess you could say the
• 45:32
  same with like Wow, where you beat all the rate to next tram.
• 45:35
  It's like, OK, what's next, right?
• 45:37
  I just don't want to spam that tram.
• 45:38
  It's just kind of boring for me. And Runescape would be kind of
• 45:42
  like I said, the goal right now is Inferno.
• 45:46
  Hopefully I could get it right. Yeah.
• 45:48
  But if there's another, like, really, really interesting game
• 45:52
  that comes out near the time, I mean, we're MMO lovers, right?
• 45:56
  We would love to try new things, and if it's fun, we'll play.
• 45:59
  But if it's not fun, I'll probably come back to Runescape,
• 46:01
  right? Yeah, definitely.
• 46:03
  And I guess it's the same concept for like Wow, where if
• 46:06
  some things are getting kind of slow and maybe my audience is
• 46:10
  not enjoying us as they used to, right?
• 46:14
  I would probably play classic well, and then maybe hop back to
• 46:17
  SRS and like, bounce around, right?
• 46:20
  But I don't think I'll ever, like, quit, quit Runescape
• 46:23
  because I'm pretty damn invested into this game.
• 46:27
  Yeah. And weirdly enough, now I kind
• 46:29
  of like what I call the homework, which is like the
• 46:32
  farming my birdhouse run, getting my seaweed planted,
• 46:38
  blowing glass. Like, it's kind of becoming
• 46:40
  your, like, part of my daily routine now.
• 46:43
  I'm really enjoying it. Yeah, I think if there's a way
• 46:46
  to make that, you know, but not feel like, you know, quote UN
• 46:49
  quote homework, like if it if it's a comfortable cozy thing
• 46:52
  that you integrate in your life, it's like, why not, you know?
• 46:55
  Yeah, that's good though. It's, it's making me
• 46:58
  disciplined, you know, and I like that.
• 47:01
  I guess you can absolutely. I could make discipline.
• 47:05
  So right now, right now there's a this is the first temporary
• 47:09
  game mode that's come out while you've been a part of the old
• 47:13
  school community, the the grid master stuff.
• 47:15
  And did you, I think I saw you, you had tried it for like a
• 47:18
  couple days, right? I'm planning to complete it
• 47:22
  after I come back from my break. I'm going to be gone on 27th and
• 47:26
  coming back on November 1st. After I come back I'm going to
• 47:28
  finish out the rest. I think I have like 13 tiles
• 47:30
  left. Nice.
• 47:32
  So you, so you didn't. Want to play?
• 47:33
  But I think it's fun, yeah. Yeah, cool.
• 47:36
  I don't think there's been too many other Wow guys that have
• 47:41
  been playing. I think it's only been Guzu and
• 47:43
  I, yeah, that played it. Because Sardako said.
• 47:46
  He's not even going to touch it because he's like, it's XP waste
• 47:49
  for my main account. I'm like, yeah, I get that, man.
• 47:52
  Yeah, I had the same reasoning. I told everyone like this is my
• 47:55
  main character. This is like my first born son.
• 47:58
  I want to show him all the love and everything on this
• 48:00
  character, like first time experience.
• 48:02
  But everyone kept saying try it out.
• 48:04
  So I was like OK, I'm going to try it out because at the end of
• 48:06
  the day, like I tried out Runescape, right?
• 48:08
  Because I was open minded and I was like, I'll try it out since
• 48:10
  everyone's just saying it. Yeah.
• 48:12
  And I tried it out. I think they did a good job.
• 48:14
  It was fun. It was really fun.
• 48:15
  And I'm looking forward to complaining the rest of it.
• 48:18
  Yeah, it's a really, really fun thing to see.
• 48:23
  Have you completed it? I haven't completed it yet.
• 48:26
  No, I started super late. I think I'm on like day three
• 48:28
  right now and I've got I, I just got my 99 construction out of
• 48:33
  the way and just kind. Of Oh my goodness, doing the.
• 48:36
  Yeah, yeah. So I'm just slowly getting
• 48:39
  through it. I I think the.
• 48:40
  The fence and the Thrones. Yeah, the marble, the marble
• 48:44
  fence, yeah. Marble parted forever.
• 48:46
  Yeah, I made sure to go get as many of the like the XP bonuses
• 48:50
  as possible. I think I'm at like 10 X XP
• 48:52
  right now, so it went by pretty fast.
• 48:54
  Yeah yeah. It's been a blast though.
• 48:56
  But I'm I, I really hope that a lot of the wow guys will try a
• 49:03
  league when it comes out because it is like gridmaster was super
• 49:06
  fun. A lot of people tried it on day
• 49:08
  one, but leagues is like that. Those day ones of leagues are
• 49:14
  some of the most fun you can have in video games.
• 49:17
  Even if you're not even into Runescape much, Playing on day
• 49:20
  one of leagues is some of the most fun, the the craziest, most
• 49:24
  chaotic shit ever. It's like it, I mean, it quite
• 49:26
  literally is like classic launching on day one sort of
• 49:29
  thing with how many people are running around.
• 49:31
  And it's awesome, man. I can't wait for you guys to
• 49:34
  experience that. If if you guys do try it, it's
• 49:36
  it's going to be great. Yeah, but I'm I'm hoping that
• 49:41
  Jack X continues like experimenting with temporary
• 49:44
  game modes like that because I think it is a big plus.
• 49:47
  It's. It's a good mix.
• 49:48
  And then it makes you like kind of miss the old games, so you go
• 49:51
  play back to your main account, right?
• 49:53
  But it's it's a good pitch. It's a win win for both the
• 49:55
  community and the company, right?
• 49:57
  Yeah. Definitely, yeah.
• 49:59
  But I guess a question that I wanted to ask you in particular
• 50:05
  about Old School Runescape PvP, because I know you were into it
• 50:10
  probably before most other of the Wow guys, like you were
• 50:13
  getting into it a little more. You had called ODA Block and had
• 50:16
  him teach you a bunch of stuff. So I, I just want to hear like
• 50:20
  just your general thoughts on old school PvP in general,
• 50:23
  because it's, it's generally looked at as like there's too
• 50:26
  steep of a learning curve, It's overwhelming, it's not worth it.
• 50:29
  It's like where? What are your thoughts on it as
• 50:31
  someone who's kind of dove in and experienced a little bit of
• 50:34
  it? Gosh, PvP yeah, I think PvP and
• 50:40
  Mmos are super fun. It's just the devs kind of
• 50:45
  forget about you because PVM is a little bit I almost want to
• 50:51
  say it's easier to balance because you don't see any
• 50:53
  monsters complaining like hey, that guys too strong or that
• 50:55
  items too strong and they cry about right, yeah, that's true.
• 50:58
  Players players, they cry about everything man.
• 51:02
  I do I will say like PP super fun, has a lot of great people,
• 51:05
  but at the same time, even I myself was included back when I
• 51:09
  used to like play a lot arena. I used to be one of the
• 51:12
  crybabies that would say like nerf this class, buff this class
• 51:16
  like can you guys get this thing damn straight right.
• 51:18
  Yeah. So there's a lot of like
• 51:20
  negative noise in it. I think that's why like the devs
• 51:22
  just give up throwing the towel because it's really hard to make
• 51:25
  PP scene happy. Yeah.
• 51:27
  However, going back to what you were saying, I think PvP, I'm a
• 51:32
  beginner, right? And when you're a beginner and
• 51:35
  Wow and you're PvP, you don't know anything and you get your
• 51:37
  first care, it feels amazing, right?
• 51:39
  Right. But as you get deeper into it,
• 51:41
  you become a little bit more tarnished in a way, like rugged,
• 51:45
  like you go through many things, right?
• 51:48
  Toxic wars. Toxic a little.
• 51:50
  Hardened. Yeah.
• 51:51
  Yeah. So you got you get kind of
• 51:55
  roughened up and you've kind of I almost become an elitist.
• 51:58
  I think at some point I was an elitist until I started playing
• 52:00
  my viewers in the future. But right now I'm in that baby
• 52:05
  step where I'm just learning and getting one kill feel is
• 52:08
  amazing. Right, right.
• 52:10
  And I had so much fun with PvP. But again, the same thing with
• 52:17
  Wow, PP is not that popular. And when I would do LMS,
• 52:21
  everyone in my community would complain.
• 52:24
  Like you're wasting EXPPBM is more fun.
• 52:27
  But yeah, and at the end of the day, like I love doing what my
• 52:31
  audience enjoys watching, right? Because I'm a streamer and
• 52:35
  you're like a YouTube streamer, right?
• 52:36
  And you want to see what you want to do, what they want to
• 52:40
  watch, or they're subscribed for, right?
• 52:43
  Right. So.
• 52:44
  I, I definitely kind of put away the PvP scene, but PvP was super
• 52:50
  fun for what it was. I I I really enjoyed it.
• 52:53
  Yeah, the the whole LMS system is really nice for just kind of
• 52:57
  dipping your toe in, at least to kind of get a feel for it.
• 53:00
  Because I, I mean, I honestly, I don't even know the current
• 53:05
  landscape of like PvP worlds, but when I learned how to PvP
• 53:08
  for the first time, it was through like the one defence
• 53:11
  pure Peking on PvP worlds and. It was.
• 53:16
  Insane because I mean you it's not safe death, like you lose
• 53:19
  your stuff every time you die. So it's not like you can
• 53:21
  practice LMS or whatever. So it was like a whole different
• 53:26
  environment, a whole different learning process.
• 53:28
  And it would have been really fun to see people learn how to
• 53:32
  PvP in that sense because LMS, it's obviously 0 stakes, you
• 53:35
  know, you just kind of repeat it until you get it right.
• 53:38
  And like, that just wasn't how it was beforehand.
• 53:43
  Yeah, I think here's what I will say.
• 53:45
  Like if I continue playing LMS, I would have probably got hungry
• 53:49
  enough to want to start doing the pure or just doing the PK
• 53:53
  stuff, right? Yeah.
• 53:54
  Definitely. But LMS, I like how everyone has
• 53:58
  like the gear set you start with and everyone has three players,
• 54:02
  offensive and defensive. And it's like whoever does the
• 54:05
  rock, paper, scissors the best. And I will say I'm surprised by
• 54:09
  how like complex it could get. Like it's only a few players,
• 54:14
  right? But man, some people go crazy on
• 54:18
  the. Switches.
• 54:19
  Oh yeah, it is like once you get into the the like high risk ODA
• 54:24
  block tier of battles, it's like half of the fight you're you're
• 54:29
  not even worried about mechanically clicking correctly
• 54:32
  anymore. It's psychological warfare at
• 54:34
  that point. Yeah, yeah, yeah, your skill.
• 54:37
  Can only get you so far in sense of clicking when you're at auto
• 54:40
  blocks level. So it's just like there's like
• 54:42
  faking each other out What am I gonna do next?
• 54:44
  What am I gonna? Do exactly exactly.
• 54:47
  Whole different game. It's not even possible to get to
• 54:51
  that point. Like those dudes have decade
• 54:54
  plus of experience. To do that shit.
• 54:56
  It's, it's nuts, but it it does, it is really cool that some like
• 55:00
  LMS kind of let you experience that side of the game because it
• 55:04
  really is hard to approach it at all anymore because I think if
• 55:09
  LMS didn't exist, like 0% of new players would be experiencing.
• 55:14
  PvP was LMS added. LMS actually came out very early
• 55:19
  on. Like you, you, you know, that
• 55:21
  phase in the video game world when Fortnite got popular?
• 55:24
  So like, everyone was making a battle Royale, Like everybody.
• 55:28
  Oh no way. It was around like the Fortnite
• 55:30
  time. LMS has existed for a really
• 55:31
  long time, but not in its current format.
• 55:33
  It used to be very different. But LMS itself as a mini game
• 55:36
  has been around. I don't even remember what year
• 55:38
  it was, but they were on top of it like surprisingly fast.
• 55:41
  The whole battle Royale wave, they they were on it, which is
• 55:44
  crazy. But yeah, that is really cool.
• 55:47
  Yeah. I'm glad they put it in because
• 55:49
  we got to experience too, right? Yeah, yeah, it's.
• 55:51
  Super cool. I think it's super fun.
• 55:55
  Yeah, yeah, I've I've been very good friends with Kevin framed
• 56:02
  the the I think you call him like the lure or something like
• 56:04
  that. I don't know the.
• 56:05
  Lure framed the lure. Framed I yeah I I've like been
• 56:11
  by his side through all of his like, you know the PvP journey
• 56:15
  and it is just different world man like.
• 56:19
  I didn't know you guys were like close friends.
• 56:20
  That's awesome. Oh, yeah, I, yeah, I've been
• 56:24
  very, very close with him for like 13 years.
• 56:27
  Yeah, it's yeah, very, very good guy.
• 56:30
  Really good too, I saw his switches, he's fast.
• 56:33
  Yeah he is. He knows what he's doing, but he
• 56:36
  doesn't like to, he doesn't like to do like PvP competitions or
• 56:39
  anything like that cuz he, I don't know, maybe he just gets
• 56:42
  nervous, anxious and like which I get, I wouldn't want to
• 56:45
  fucking PvP against anybody. It's like when we were in Texas
• 56:49
  just doing that like PvP shit. That was like the most mental
• 56:56
  warfare with me and no one else. Like it was just me against
• 56:59
  myself sitting there getting PKD like by someone in with a
• 57:04
  fucking crossbow, me not knowing what to do with myself.
• 57:07
  Yeah, it's crazy. Cool adrenaline, man.
• 57:11
  Yeah. But it.
• 57:12
  Could be nerve back then, yeah. But I guess 11 last question
• 57:17
  here, very important one. Sure.
• 57:19
  What would you rate Old School Runescape out of 10?
• 57:23
  Out of 10, I want to give it a really good score.
• 57:29
  I think it's really fun in its own way, and it has its own
• 57:33
  culture, and I think the community is awesome.
• 57:36
  I think it's like any other Mmos, right?
• 57:38
  There's like that toxic part, but there's also that welcoming
• 57:41
  part and patient people just watching us bash our heads and
• 57:47
  doing everything wrong and being supportive.
• 57:49
  But yeah, and I'm saying that because, like, the community
• 57:53
  matters, right? It's like who you play around
• 57:55
  with and the game, because without that it wouldn't be MMO,
• 57:58
  right? Right.
• 58:00
  So since it's like an online game I think the community
• 58:03
  itself is. I got to give it a 9 I think.
• 58:09
  A99 That's a good score. Game for the gameplay I gotta
• 58:15
  give it a 10. Gameplay 10.
• 58:18
  Yes. Damn.
• 58:20
  There's a lot of, there's a lot of things that I would complain
• 58:22
  about, right, where I'm not a fan of how this game is like a
• 58:27
  beat game. I didn't know that coming in,
• 58:29
  but it's almost like a beat game where there's like a rhythm you
• 58:31
  got to follow. Yeah, click, click, click,
• 58:33
  right. So for myself, I'm not the
• 58:36
  biggest fan of that. But every time I complain about
• 58:38
  it, people are saying like, oh, you need to get used to it or
• 58:40
  it's the game. And they're right.
• 58:42
  If I was to, like, complain about this and make them change
• 58:45
  it and the way I would be making retail, Wow, right, where I'm
• 58:48
  asking for too much change and it would lose what the game is
• 58:52
  really all about, right? Right.
• 58:54
  And these guys have, like, history with this game where
• 58:56
  they played it for like years upon years, like a decade,
• 58:59
  right. Yeah.
• 59:00
  Definitely. And from that perspective, like,
• 59:03
  I could understand it. I couldn't understand their
• 59:06
  levels of love for this game and how much they care about these
• 59:09
  tiny little changes. And even them adding sailing
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  recently, right? Like they're afraid of it
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  because it might change the game too much.
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  And I get it, dude. I get it.
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  Like, retail went through so much changes becoming what
• 59:21
  retail is. And I guess some people love
• 59:24
  retail and some people might love sailing, some people might
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  not. Right.
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  I don't know how you feel about it.
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  Yeah. Mixed feelings.
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  I I mixed feelings. OK, glad, but I think that's
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  that's another thing that kind of to bounce off that.
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  But like with the especially with the, the tick system is but
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  one. First of all, I think that all
• 59:43
  of you guys got pushed way too hard into understanding ticks
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  way too early. And it was.
• 59:50
  Crazy how much it was present at all of your gameplay, like in
• 59:55
  early game, like it was so insanely unnecessary to know
• 59:59
  about until you are in like very end game.
• 1:00:02
  Like it's crazy. So I guess that was like the
• 1:00:05
  counter to it. It's like if you're feeling like
• 1:00:08
  that pressure to understand. 100 BPM every .6 seconds you need to
• 1:00:13
  understand like clicking twice in between your prayer.
• 1:00:15
  You know, it's like you don't need to do that.
• 1:00:19
  Like you can min Max and then be the most efficient player
• 1:00:22
  possible, which I understand you know, Iron Man, you got to make
• 1:00:25
  your own supplies, whatever. But ultimately, if it's
• 1:00:28
  something that's like hindering your experience at all, you
• 1:00:30
  simply don't have to do that. Like it's it's so optional that
• 1:00:37
  it, it shouldn't ever be a reason to kind of hold you back
• 1:00:41
  or like demotivate because it's ticks weren't even known about
• 1:00:45
  before old school. Like ticks have always existed
• 1:00:49
  but no one even knew what it was.
• 1:00:52
  It's kind of like 2004 classic wow where like nobody really
• 1:00:55
  knew anything but since it was out so long like these players
• 1:00:59
  find a mechanic within himself for them to min Max upon right?
• 1:01:04
  Exactly. And I guess like in the same way
• 1:01:06
  this is how they figured it out because I'm pretty sure the
• 1:01:09
  prayer flicking was not intentionally made for them to
• 1:01:13
  be able to do that. But there's just.
• 1:01:15
  Absolutely not. Yeah.
• 1:01:17
  So not exactly what I'm saying, yeah.
• 1:01:20
  I also think it's cool that they kept it in.
• 1:01:22
  It's really cool. Yeah.
• 1:01:24
  Yeah, it is. In a way, like I appreciate the
• 1:01:27
  game. I think that's why I'm giving
• 1:01:28
  you a high score because within its flaws, I think it's its
• 1:01:32
  beauties as well. And I except what the game is
• 1:01:35
  all about. Man, it's really fun.
• 1:01:37
  Yeah, I guess that is true. It's like the the tick system
• 1:01:41
  and like the clock that the game runs on.
• 1:01:43
  If you like look at it a certain angle, it seems pretty ugly, but
• 1:01:46
  the players have somehow turned it into something beautiful,
• 1:01:50
  like it's just really cool. Yeah, that's that's true.
• 1:01:53
  Awesome. Sweet.
• 1:01:55
  The game's been fun. Yeah, I'm glad you're enjoying
• 1:01:58
  it. I'm glad everyone's enjoying it.
• 1:01:59
  And I'm excited to see you wear an infernal Cape one day.
• 1:02:02
  That's gonna be sick. That's gonna be really sick.
• 1:02:06
  I'll get it one day, OK? I'll get it one day.
• 1:02:07
  You. Will you?
• 1:02:08
  Will. We'll all be watching.
• 1:02:09
  See me taking a break, But one day I'll be wearing it.
• 1:02:12
  Yeah, you will cheat. Because I hear that some people
• 1:02:16
  get it like after five years too, right?
• 1:02:18
  Like I. Still don't have one?
• 1:02:21
  Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like I might not for a while.
• 1:02:24
  It's one of those grinds where like you need to really, really
• 1:02:27
  want it because it does take a lot of time and a lot of
• 1:02:29
  commitment like it's. Just.
• 1:02:32
  If you don't, like, I've never thought to myself like I need an
• 1:02:35
  infernal Cape now. Like I need to prove it to
• 1:02:38
  myself and others. So it's like, why would I go do
• 1:02:40
  that if I don't really want it right now?
• 1:02:43
  Like I'm sure I've had urges here and there, but you know,
• 1:02:46
  one day I'll get it too. Why not, you know?
• 1:02:47
  But until that time comes, I'm not going to stress it.
• 1:02:50
  It ain't going anywhere. That Cape will be there for me
• 1:02:53
  to get, you know. Yeah, that's.
• 1:02:55
  Awesome, man. Savix, thank you so much for
• 1:02:58
  taking time out of your day to talk with me about all this
• 1:03:00
  stuff. This is that was a lot of fun.
• 1:03:04
  I'm stoked that you've found a very comfort, cozy place in in
• 1:03:09
  the old school community. I think everyone's stoked that
• 1:03:12
  you're over here and very excited to see what happens
• 1:03:15
  these next few months. See where you get what you're up
• 1:03:18
  to? Yeah, thank you so much for
• 1:03:21
  giving me the opportunity to speak about it and inviting me
• 1:03:24
  over for this great video that you're about to publish.
• 1:03:27
  Man I hope you get a lot of likes and leave some nice
• 1:03:29
  comments and subscribe boys. Yeah, they better like and
• 1:03:31
  subscribe. Real be pissed off.
• 1:03:34
  Yeah. A big thank you to Savix for
• 1:03:36
  taking time out of his day to talk with me.
• 1:03:37
  It was a ton of fun. All of his links are down below.
• 1:03:40
  Make sure to support him. Go follow his Twitch, go say hi
• 1:03:43
  to him, go to his YouTube, subscribe to that, watch his
• 1:03:45
  videos, turn your ad block off. He's a great guy.
• 1:03:48
  He deserves that. Our next next and final guest is
• 1:03:51
  someone who I have wanted to talk to about MMORPG's for
• 1:03:55
  actual years. He was one of the first, if not
• 1:03:57
  the first Wow creator to ever react to my initial World of
• 1:04:01
  Warcraft video, and ever since I have tuned in to him and learned
• 1:04:05
  a ton about MMORPG's because of how insightful he is.
• 1:04:08
  He has a great outlook on a lot of gaming topics, so I was
• 1:04:11
  stoked about this one. He's one of the biggest names in
• 1:04:14
  the Wow community, one of the nicest people you could ever
• 1:04:16
  talk to. I cannot wait for you guys to
• 1:04:19
  listen to in on this discussion. So I'll see you next episode.
• 1:04:22
  We talk with Tsar you.