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Building Up LA in the Face of ICE with Cynthia Santiago · Justice Team Podcast

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  Welcome to this episode of the Justice Team Podcast on the Justice Team Network.
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  I'm your host, Bob Simon, and today we're gonna be talking about some
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  very important issues in Southern California, but now across the
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  nation, and that's about immigration.
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  The rights of those people affected, and we have on.
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  The Cynthia Santiago.
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  How are you Ms. Santiago?
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  I'm good.
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  I'm good.
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  You know, chaotic times, but you know, good spirits.
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  Yeah.
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  And I know you do a lot of media, a lot of interviews.
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  People reach out to you because of your knowledge in the space and being
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  boots on the ground and for helping.
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  Um, and I mean.
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  How do people reach you?
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  First of all, I'm sure you have a lot of people reaching out to
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  you, but how do they find you?
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  Yeah, so I, I always suggest like, uh, social media, AGA Santiago is the
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  handle, A-B-O-G-A-D-A, Abada, Santiago.
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  Um, but also people just call our office or they reach out through,
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  um, texting us at our office as well.
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  We try to be very.
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  Present for different needs because if I can't handle it, I
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  know somebody that will be able
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  to.
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  Yeah.
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  And I think that's important 'cause we do the same thing.
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  I know we, yeah.
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  We're big on finding the best warrior for that specific issue.
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  Um, I mean, I don't do any immigration, so I just literally will text.
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  Santiago here.
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  But you know, one thing, and I think people need to recognize is, you know,
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  you're a mom, you're balancing life.
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  I mean, two of your kids are outside the studio right now.
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  It's summer break, but you, you still have to fight every day.
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  Yeah.
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  You know, I think that, um, since I opened up the practice in 2012, I. My mission
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  has always been, um, fighting for my community because of the impact that it's
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  had growing up, uh, with immigrant parents and the community I, I RA was raised in.
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  But also, um, there was a big component of why I opened up my own firm is to
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  do know your rights because even if we didn't have an immediate threat in
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  our face back then in 20 12, 20 13.
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  I wanted my community to leave with information and knowledge
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  on how to protect themselves.
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  Yeah.
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  And let's, let's talk about knowing your rights.
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  You know, right now, mid-June 2025, a lot of chaotic times.
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  What are you telling people out there?
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  What are some suggestions you have for, for folks that either are employers or
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  people that are, that may be affected?
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  Yeah.
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  You know, it really is a complicated issue because.
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  While I appreciate the know your rights information that we're hearing so much
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  in social media and in the news, a lot of these things are not a one size fits all.
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  A lot of people have so many different factors in their case that it's
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  important that if they can reach out to an attorney and or a nonprofit
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  and get an individualized assessment.
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  Then they're gonna know what they can do on the spot at that moment.
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  Or they can try to do affirmatively now while like, you know, they're
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  not under any risk and they can file something to kind of get ahead of this,
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  which is what I've been telling folks, like, you need to know where you stand.
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  If you have previously been deported, then asking to see a judge isn't
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  gonna happen because you have an an order against you already.
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  So you're under a different process of being expedited, removed, or reinstated.
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  So there's just like so many layers of complications with these cases that,
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  um, that assessment is the first step.
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  Um, the know your rights advisors are good general concepts, but there's
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  nothing, you know, that will, um, you know, there's, there's nothing better
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  than to have an a person than an attorney.
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  That's what I do at the end of every consultation is we
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  do a Know your rights prep.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  If you're picked up, what are you gonna do?
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  What are you gonna say?
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  What are you gonna argue to see?
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  Because you're not gonna have an attorney there.
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  You've gotta argue for yourself.
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  And I want each of my consultations clients to leave knowing like,
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  okay, I'm gonna be able to handle this if this happens.
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  And worst case scenario, this is gonna happen, and my attorney then
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  will be called and then she'll respond and come and support me.
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  Yeah.
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  So let's go through, I mean, do you have like those general blocks of
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  categories of folks from like the asylum seekers to perhaps kids, to folks
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  that may have had a deportation issue?
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  I. Or folks that have been just waiting in line for a decade.
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  Yeah.
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  Or two.
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  What are Or two.
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  Two or two.
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  Decades?
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  Two.
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  But I mean, let's talk about that first.
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  Like Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  I hear, we hear on social media all the time.
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  Well, my parents came here legally, so these people have to do it too.
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  And
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  now you gotta go.
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  Yeah.
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  Um, then we would start with the concept of.
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  Our immigration system from its inception in the 19, like even in the 19 hundreds,
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  you would see like the great wave where millions of people were allowed
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  in because of the conditions that they were fleeing and and their country.
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  And, you know, uh, we're in a position where our immigration laws were very
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  open borders, and then in the eighties and nineties became more about reform
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  and control and, um, punishing folks.
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  And so that's.
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  I think the principle issue is that understanding the history
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  of immigration law, it has not always been about getting in line.
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  It's been about, you know, opening up the doors and people come and see.
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  And that's
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  been, and people don't realize in the last decade or two, it's been very difficult.
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  Yeah.
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  I mean, I know people that have been here paying taxes, members
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  of the community that have been just waiting in line for 20 years.
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  Yeah.
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  Um, I just did a presentation with a large organization, executives and
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  whatnot, uh, and employees and they.
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  And I went through the history and the 1980s was the last time
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  Congress actually did an immigration like amnesty type project.
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  Yes.
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  Process.
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  And then we get into 1996 when Congress did do the illegal Immigration Reform Act.
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  And so that is one to punish individuals who enter the United
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  States without permission.
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  So it's 1996 all, and it's been, yes, it's been
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  more about control, punishing consequences, and it's going to continue
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  to get that way unless we make immediate changes to our immigration system.
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  Yeah, and
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  that's what, you know, and it's, you know, we see that, I've seen the video of
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  Ronald Reagan who granted amnesty to me.
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  It's just why would you not just say, Hey, if you've been a member of the
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  community, you, you've been paying taxes, you've an upstanding person.
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  Why not try to find a path to citizenship for those folks that are
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  contributing so positively to everybody?
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  Why would that be so hard?
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  Yeah.
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  Well, the, the wave that we have now under this administration, um, doesn't have
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  that perspective of seeing individuals that are others, uh, seeing individuals
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  of diverse backgrounds, uh, as, um, you know, as people that deserve, or
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  that people that are humans that have.
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  Uh, a family that have done a lot to contribute this admission
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  doesn't see that in individuals.
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  They see them as, um, criminals and they, they have a whole nother perspective,
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  um, mostly having to do with the southern border and who's coming and, and so
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  I think that's the, the reality of it that we have to just also acknowledge
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  that this administration does not see.
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  The immigrant community the same way they see them as less of lesser.
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  So are, are people, are people getting ra racially profiled?
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  Yes.
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  Please describe.
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  Yes.
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  So, you know, simply driving, um, and out in public or being in a, you
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  know, location that's very open, like the car wash workers, uh, um, day
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  laborers at the Home Depot centers.
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  The simple, like just the approach is, uh, the simple way to describe
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  it is that they're looking at folks that look of a certain race ethnicity.
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  Latino, for example, has been the majority of individuals picked up,
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  but they, it's not like they're seeking a specific person.
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  That's not like they're saying, oh, they have no idea this person's
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  background.
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  And that's why, you know, unfortunately citizens were getting picked up.
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  This just happened close to us here in the South Bay.
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  Oh, I just wonder, I mean, if you could explain to people
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  like, yeah.
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  I hear folks say, you know, back Midwest, east coast.
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  Yeah.
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  That doesn't happen.
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  They're not picking up people that are here illegally.
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  They're only getting criminals.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  I mean that was, um,
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  true or not true.
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  That was the slogan during the campaign.
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  And, um, once, you know, he came into office and we know there shouldn't
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  individuals in that office that are very vocal about who they should be enforcing
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  immigration laws against and who.
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  No, they're not touching.
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  But the, the reality is that it's, it's a very, the situation that's happened
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  in LA is a very, uh, detain them first and then ask questions later.
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  Whoa.
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  But that's that.
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  I mean, are they allowing due process through this?
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  Um, there's so much going on with once a person is detained, I don't
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  think they had a plan or strategy.
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  Like they don't even have places to detained first.
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  Ask questions later.
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  Yeah.
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  Detained first, ask questions later.
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  What we've been seeing is, um.
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  People are getting detained and being put into the immigration, like, uh, the
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  immigration offices where they're not equipped to house people overnight, so
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  they're sleeping on the floor, they're not being fed properly, and then they're
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  trying to determine where to send people that have bed space for them.
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  And so a lot of individuals from LA were are in El Paso, Texas.
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  They're in, uh, Florida, they're in other states.
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  Um, really there's an yes there.
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  There was about two or three days a lot of families couldn't find
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  their family member and we were able to locate them in another state.
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  A completely, because it's creates, lemme guess, creates chaos so that then
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  they don't have access to attorneys.
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  Yeah.
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  Because they're also now in another state, they don't have access to their
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  family as easily and it degrades their mental state to wanna fight the case.
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  And, I mean, and let me guess, these are private prison centers
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  that are also benefiting bigley.
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  Yeah.
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  On retaining folks.
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  Yeah.
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  We trace back to billions of being made from the detention centers
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  and opening up new contracts.
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  But specifically there is, uh, uh, agreement called 2 87 G. It's a, it's
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  a contract that local law enforcement agencies can make with the federal
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  government so that they can be housing.
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  Uh, people that are detained.
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  So, uh, my good friends, a lot of good friends that cover investigative
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  work, they've covered these, um, stories of when a new contract is open,
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  it's public information and you're starting to see, you know, when they
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  get approved and they, they get money.
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  They get money, local law enforcement's agencies, and, um,
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  in states like, you know, states way far away from Los Angeles and.
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  Um, that's what happened in Glendale recently as well.
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  They, Glendale had had a grandfathered contract with the federal government
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  to house folks, and then there was public outcry and it was canceled.
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  It was canceled.
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  I saw that.
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  Yeah.
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  So, but, but this is not gonna happen in, you know, the, you know, some
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  random city in Texas or Georgia, you know, just locations where, um, some
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  of the individuals are ending up.
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  Yeah.
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  So they're trying to, they're trying to financially benefit in.
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  With their strategic partners of where they're sending people
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  wrongfully or not detained.
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  Yeah.
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  Just doesn't matter.
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  Yeah.
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  And I mean also, like we've seen it before in the, per one of the folks
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  you were mentioning, Stephen Miller, who used to be a professor of yours.
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  No,
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  no, no.
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  We used to be classmates.
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  Classmates.
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  You were classmates with Stephen Miller.
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  I was gonna say professor.
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  Ugh.
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  But
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  so, so, uh, I went to Santa Monica High School.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  Um, I didn't know him in middle school, but I'm, you know, that's
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  where a lot of people believe that this started, this, uh.
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  You know, historical, mental, like, uh, campaign of wanting to promote
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  a society that was assimilated, that didn't celebrate diversity, that
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  everyone had to be a certain way.
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  Yeah.
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  And English only things to that
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  I've seen effect.
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  I mean, you've seen videos of him in high school saying that these,
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  they should be cleaning our food.
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  We should be, I was on
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  stage at the same, same time.
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  Yeah.
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  So I, I ran for student body president.
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  Uh, he was running for Speaker of the House, which, uh, was unfortunately,
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  uh, you know, that the articles didn't specify that, but I was
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  running for student Body President.
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  He was running for Speaker of the House, another position.
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  So we were all on stage getting ready to do our speeches,
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  and ours was the last one.
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  So I heard that speech.
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  The entire crowd of students were like.
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  Anywhere from ninth graders to 11th graders booing him for that,
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  and he was taking off the stage.
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  Well just tell everybody what happened.
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  You know, he, he simply was like, he, he was being who he was on campus.
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  That's why I wasn't surprised that something like that, it
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  was not approved previously.
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  He went off and did his own statement as to, you know, why should we pick up after
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  ourselves if we have janitors to do this?
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  It's, yeah, I've heard some horror stories, but, and
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  I know I had classes with him.
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  I don't remember every particular detail.
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  'cause obviously high school was a long time ago, but I, I, I had,
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  um, interactions where, you know, as someone that was involved in my
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  student body, my campus, um, always, you know, doing, promoting diversity
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  events and cultural awareness events and promoting, um, you know, just.
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  People's mental, like social justice issues that, you know,
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  a lot of the students embraced.
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  Um, he was, you know, very.
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  Limited.
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  There wasn't a lot of people that shared that belief.
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  It was very, it was a very small, like it was him and maybe like five
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  other friends that shared that belief.
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  Wow.
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  And they would try to promote, you know, that assimilation English only, um,
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  you know, highly criticized the welfare programs, social social services programs.
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  Uh, cri criticize affirmative action.
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  He criticized a lot of the, the, the things that are good for our
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  community, our social wellbeing.
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  Um, and I ended up being the first Latina student body president of my campus.
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  Congratulations.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  Thank you.
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  And like it just so
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  he's Yeah.
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  He probably has it out for you.
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  No, he doesn't.
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  He,
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  he was like this since middle school is what, what has been the picture.
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  And I've the speeches
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  where he is like, get the quotas up.
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  You know, where they're at.
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  Seven 11, they're at Home Depot.
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  Go get 'em.
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  I mean, this isn't like the campaign promise of going to your criminals.
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  I mean, true or false, are they out there?
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  The folks that they're picking up, the people that you're helping, are these
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  these hardened criminals that were here?
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  Yeah.
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  I mean
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  the, the latest statistics I saw was like 10% of the people that were
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  picked up had a criminal history.
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  Um, but in their agenda and their campaign, uh, coming to
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  the country without permission is the criminal aspect that they're,
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  that's it.
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  And that's not even a criminal charge.
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  It's civil.
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  Yeah,
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  it's a civil issue.
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  But it, that's what the, the campaign and the.
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  You know, the, the motive out there that what they're pushing for the community.
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  I mean, I, I've never seen an administration do so much social
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  media and so much media, uh, well, it's called propaganda commercials.
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  Yeah.
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  And, and that really, um, is to incite, that is to incite this fear
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  and terror into communities and I, and we're not gonna take it.
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  And we've seen that the community is out there, but now
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  we know why they've been doing the DEI thing.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  Where they're saying, mm-hmm.
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  They're taking your jobs.
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  This is all a big lead, and it is a scare factor to tell people
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  things that just aren't true.
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  Like I don't see people lining up to go, uh, cook in the kitchens
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  where they took the cooks.
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  I don't see people lining up to go to the warehouses.
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  I don't see people out on the fields.
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  Yeah.
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  Where the migrant workers are.
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  Nope.
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  Yeah.
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  You know, and, and then that's the other thing too, like we.
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  We do, um, have a, a narrative of like, you know, these workers are, or these
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  people are taking your jobs and they, they're taking our system and they're
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  abusing of our system and whatnot.
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  But we also have to understand like we have a huge majority of
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  folks that are foreign born that live in the country, entrepreneurs.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  Um, the DACA recipients were essential in the, the pandemic situation.
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  A lot of, uh, the daca, sorry, the DACA students were workers in the
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  pandemic situation, so it just, it's.
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  Our, also, our role in society as, um, children of immigrants or immigrants
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  is threatening to them as well.
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  It's not just the farm workers and our, our, our day laborers that are,
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  are doing the, the grit work in our society, but it's like we are also a
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  threat if you have a a degree, if you have some type of a Yeah, and that's
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  because they teach you.
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  It's like didn't earn it, quote unquote.
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  I say now they think anybody that.
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  Is of a certain color that they didn't earn the job that they got to.
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  It's crazy.
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  Yeah.
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  That's what they, what they put in people and I don't think people
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  realize how many healthcare workers
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  mm-hmm.
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  Are undocumented or foreign born.
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  Yeah.
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  Or foreign born a lot.
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  From physicians to nurses, to people that are taking care of
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  our elderly and our children.
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  Yeah,
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  it's a lifeblood and people just do not realize it.
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  My mom was a home care worker.
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  My mom was a nanny.
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  My, you know, my, my mom did that, that work in, um, in taking care of others.
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  And I think that if we change our narratives to show more visibility
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  of who, who are the immigrants in our country and what we do, then.
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  Then the, I think that would open up also people's eyes because I think
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  that, um, all this spreading of, of an image of someone, uh, in a certain
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  way is what really there's, there's people in our United States, we have
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  to understand there's people in the United States who have never seen.
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  Somebody of, you know, certain background, uh, undocumented parents,
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  immigrant parents, like they've just never seen somebody to understand
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  what their background and history and how much they contribute in.
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  So what
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  can, what can lawyers do that are watching or listening?
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  How can they get into help if they're not?
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  They don't do immigration, they're not doing criminal defense.
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  Maybe they're in another state.
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  How can they help?
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  Yeah, so I mean, just educating yourself on the immigration situation,
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  um, assessing your own client base.
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  I, I've been talking to a lot of personal injury firms and just.
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  How to assess your clients, like where they stand in the immigration picture, and
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  not that you're gonna necessarily give 'em a consultation, but just know where they
• 18:45
  and their family are so that you know if they are vulnerable to be picked up and
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  they have a court case or a deposition.
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  That you are also protecting them as a whole in a holistic way.
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  Right.
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  And their families.
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  I've spent the past week speaking to like at least 150 of my clients.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  And, and understanding who's missing work, who's not able
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  to go to, to leave their home.
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  Yeah.
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  I saw
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  you at a post where you can actually donate so that people
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  can stay home if they feel like they're gonna go get picked up at.
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  At work or even church, right?
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  So,
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  yeah, no, yeah.
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  Thankfully for Jose from who's like, um, reached out and we both are kind of just.
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  Took the lead to try to help as many folks as possible.
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  He's, he's, um, helping a lot with, with that.
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  And a lot of people are, are jumping in, which is inspiring.
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  A lot of people want to help out somebody that they know is
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  So how, like, so how do people watching or listening, should they just reach
• 19:37
  out to you to be put in touch with just helping folks so they don't have to feel
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  scared of getting detained illegally?
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  Yeah, I mean, people can reach out to me and then Jose from Easylinks and, and I
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  are talking and, and trying to match up.
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  A family to someone who is willing to support them.
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  Um, you know, we're not really posting about all this too much either
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  because they are put in a vulnerable position and we're trying to make
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  sure that we take care of them.
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  And, you know, they're, they're open to it.
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  But, you know, he, he has received the calls and I, I've sent him the calls
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  and, and he's, you know, people are, are so scared to leave their home and
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  to go and, and they don't know how they're gonna get through the month.
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  Another organization I work with a lot is called Ello.
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  They work with a lot of indigenous immigrants, indigenous
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  undocumented community.
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  And um, the effort there has been to deliver grocery boxes and to also help
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  folks with, um, you know, any needs that they have for the month to get
• 20:35
  through the month for their family.
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  Wow.
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  So,
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  and uh, I know you have, I mean, when we talked on Sunday, you had pulled
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  together, I mean, you have, do you have a group of community of lawyers that are
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  like-minded that you guys are trying to.
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  Talk to each other, make sure that, that everything's moving forward.
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  Yeah, I mean, in, in this time we, we as immigration attorneys are
• 20:56
  receiving a lot of the secondary trauma, but also personal trauma.
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  Like we, we've been through experiences of deportation, maybe in our own
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  immediate families or, or loved ones.
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  And so, um, the weight is a lot and so we.
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  On Sunday morning, I, I just, I previously had spoken to a group of us
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  and I said, well, let's just do a, a zoom check-in and all of us just tap
• 21:19
  in with each other and check how we're feeling, what we can do to support
• 21:23
  each other, and how we can link up.
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  And if I can't take a case up north, you can step in and, and
• 21:29
  support each other with that.
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  And so I think that's, um, essential for our communities is that we also.
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  Take care of, um, ourselves so that we can keep fighting back and, and be rested.
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  So I, I also, you know, did go to the boxing this weekend with my
• 21:46
  husband because I needed, my family was like, you need to go and sleep.
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  Yeah.
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  Because it was like a week of not really sleeping and not having a sit down
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  meal just because it was back to back.
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  Yeah.
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  And I encourage all lawyers out there to.
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  Anybody that calls your office if they have an issue, get them
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  quickly to an immigration lawyer.
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  Yes.
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  So they can raise their hand.
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  I know an attorney share, we waived all fees for that.
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  So people can easily just automate going directly to somebody that can help.
• 22:12
  Um, one question I had, you know, we're hearing a lot about the kids and what's
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  happening to the kids and foster kids, and again, people just want to know.
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  Can I donate money somewhere?
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  What can I do to help?
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  Like, can you give any advice to folks like that?
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  Yeah, I just, I would also just make sure you, you kind of, uh, look at the,
• 22:31
  the organization and their history and that they're, um, an organization that's
• 22:37
  been around for many years and the work that they, they do in the community.
• 22:42
  One of the organizations that I've worked with a lot over the past
• 22:46
  years is MD Immigrant Defenders.
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  They're based here in la.
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  Hmm.
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  Um, but they just, we gotta be careful as well that we we're
• 22:54
  working with organizations that are doing the on the ground work.
• 22:57
  A lot of my friends are at MD. They're either at,
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  is it M-D-E-F-M-M?
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  Sorry.
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  I am MM Defenders.
• 23:04
  M Defenders.
• 23:05
  Oh, okay.
• 23:06
  I am M Defenders.
• 23:07
  Yeah, I am just for the captions later on the show.
• 23:09
  Make sure we nail that one.
• 23:10
  And so, um, they, uh, you know, they're at the detention centers right now.
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  They're talking to families, they're.
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  Um, stepping up for the kids.
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  Um, you know, a lot of the organizations also were representing kids that
• 23:24
  were unaccompanied and they've taken a big hit right now with, um, that
• 23:29
  those services, because the kids are also being put back into proceedings.
• 23:34
  Um, they're other trauma for these kids.
• 23:36
  Yeah.
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  Mean, come
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  on.
• 23:36
  They finally found probably a safe place with a foster family or somewhere.
• 23:39
  Now it's ripped out again.
• 23:40
  Yeah.
• 23:41
  Um.
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  And then we're also seeing this in, uh, immigration court.
• 23:45
  Among the last number I looked at was at 3.7 million cases are backlogged
• 23:49
  in immigration court across the US And, um, they recently started to
• 23:54
  do this wave, the DHS attorneys, uh.
• 23:57
  Started, uh, copying, pasting, mass producing, uh, motions to re calendar
• 24:02
  cases that have been sleeping under administrative closure for 10 to 15 years.
• 24:08
  And they're doing this in an attempt to then not be able to locate the attorneys
• 24:12
  either not be able to locate their clients or the clients having moved.
• 24:16
  And so now there's gonna be a hearing set and the person is going to miss it
• 24:21
  because they didn't get their notice.
• 24:23
  So they, they're doing this other effort that just started
• 24:26
  about a week and a half ago.
• 24:27
  That's so disgusting.
• 24:28
  So that I flew back from ne um, sorry, from Nevada to be able to
• 24:32
  file emergency opposition motions because, you know, they just,
• 24:36
  that's just sad.
• 24:37
  Yeah.
• 24:38
  They're just trying to do any, anything possible to meet the quota.
• 24:42
  Yeah, just to meet the quota s is about quotas all, it's
• 24:45
  about that quota.
• 24:46
  So then that way they can continue their, uh, campaign trail and say, look
• 24:51
  what we did while we were in office.
• 24:53
  Yeah.
• 24:53
  And then look at all the money we funneled to our friends of the private detention
• 24:57
  centers that are also donating to our campaign, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
• 25:00
  It's just, yeah,
• 25:00
  it's a circle.
• 25:01
  It's like, it's, it's a whole mix up and, and unfortunately like our
• 25:04
  community's at the forefront of this, our undocumented community.
• 25:09
  Um, but I also.
• 25:11
  I'm also inspired to see how many people are stepping up and finally talking
• 25:15
  about immigration because for many years we continue to leave immigration
• 25:19
  on the, you know, back end of the list.
• 25:22
  We have other issues to talk about.
• 25:23
  We have other things.
• 25:24
  No, we need like a real, real, uh.
• 25:28
  Good conversation and actual like legislation and, and changes
• 25:32
  to our immigration system that will include these families.
• 25:36
  We, we sure.
• 25:36
  Hope so.
• 25:37
  Well, Cynthia, thanks for coming on.
• 25:38
  Um, big fan of yours and you're really like up there changing things and well,
• 25:42
  thank you for watching and listening to this episode, the Justin podcast.
• 25:45
  Um, you can reach out to, at Ms. Santiago on.
• 25:49
  Aga Santiago.
• 25:50
  Yeah.
• 25:50
  Aga
• 25:51
  Santiago.
• 25:52
  Aga Santiago, uh, Facebook, Instagram, TikTok.
• 25:55
  I almost gave your email away.
• 25:56
  We were close.
• 25:57
  It's fine.
• 25:58
  Um, yeah.
• 25:58
  Well, thank for watching listening, Cynthia.
• 26:00
  Always a pleasure.