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Credlin | 30 June · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Krendland live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, Welcome to Credlin steep Price, sitting in for
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Speaker 2: Peter all this week. Here's what's coming up on the
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Speaker 2: show tonight. Despite a resounding no vote at the Voice
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Speaker 2: referendum twenty months ago, the socialist left Victorrect government intends
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Speaker 2: to establish its own version even though that state voted
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Speaker 2: heavily against it. I'll have more to say on that shortly.
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Speaker 2: And despite a resounding no vote at a Voice referendum
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Speaker 2: twenty months ago, well it's going to come around again,
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Speaker 2: so we will get into that and i will tell
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Speaker 2: you some things that you will not believe in how
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Speaker 2: this is being funded. Plus anti Semitism hits a new
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Speaker 2: low in the UK at that Glastonbury Music festival, disgusting
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Speaker 2: anti Israeli chance that we're live on BBC Television. The
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Speaker 2: President of the Executive Council of Australian Jury will join
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Speaker 2: us later. And the largest in hydrogen project plan for
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Speaker 2: Central Queen's label Let's Go Belly Up, joining around one
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Speaker 2: hundred billion dollars of green schemes that have fallen over nationally.
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Speaker 2: And I'll also have the latest from the trial of
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Speaker 2: Aaron Addison's the Mushroom murder trial. As the jury has
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Speaker 2: sent off to consider their verdict. We have a reporter
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Speaker 2: in more Well. We'll cross there shortly, but first, and
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Speaker 2: I'm not too sure why anyone in Victoria is surprised
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Speaker 2: at the headlines today in the Herald Sun suggesting the
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Speaker 2: most left leaning state in Australia, led by Premier to
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Speaker 2: Center Allen, is going down the path of creating its
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Speaker 2: own voice to Parliament for Indigenous Victorians. Now. The Victorian
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Speaker 2: Labor government campaigned heavily to try and get the Original
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Speaker 2: Voice referendum across the line back in October twenty twenty three,
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Speaker 2: but like their federal counterparts, they failed with a resounding
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Speaker 2: no vote. Despite this, the Victorian government has established what
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Speaker 2: they call a First People's Assembly. Now listen to the
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Speaker 2: numbers here. It's made up of thirty three members, taxpayer
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Speaker 2: funded and elected every three years. Each member of this
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Speaker 2: racially selected assembly is paid, according to the Herald Sun
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Speaker 2: today almost one hundred thousand dollars a year in salary,
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Speaker 2: thirty three of them all on one hundred grand. And
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Speaker 2: on top of that expense, this mob oversees something called
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Speaker 2: the self Determination Fund that was set up in twenty
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Speaker 2: twenty two with wait for it, sixty five million dollars
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Speaker 2: of Victorian taxpayers money. And remember Victoria's broke to bankroll
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Speaker 2: what's called treaty negotiations. A treaty negotiation by the way,
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Speaker 2: that the state government refuses to tell the people of
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Speaker 2: Victoria what is actually in the treaty. I mean Daniel Andrews,
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Speaker 2: the widely despised ex premier, he set this all up
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Speaker 2: back in twenty eighteen. This Assembly already uses State Parliament
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Speaker 2: to meet and it's expected this Assembly will become a
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Speaker 2: permanent body protected by legislation. Now, this is all happening
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Speaker 2: under the noses of a majority of voters in Victoria
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Speaker 2: who voted no to the voice referendum. But they'll get
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Speaker 2: one whether they like it or not. And what will
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Speaker 2: it do well, that's the really frightening thing here. If
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Speaker 2: legislated and labor have the numbers, it will advise on
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Speaker 2: the impact of laws and policy affecting all Victorians, but
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Speaker 2: just indigenous ones. It will work across issues such as
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Speaker 2: law and order, health, education, even child protection, advising the
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Speaker 2: government on how these things should or would impact that
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Speaker 2: one group Indigenous Victorians a voice, in other words, for
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Speaker 2: one group and not anyone else. Should all Australians that
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Speaker 2: voted no in twenty twenty three be worried about this, Well,
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Speaker 2: you bet you should. If one labor government can do it,
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Speaker 2: what's to stop other labor governments doing the same thing. Indeed,
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Speaker 2: South Australia's going down the track ready. Queensland under labor
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Speaker 2: when they were in power, were looking at the same
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Speaker 2: sort of options. Now let me give you a small
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Speaker 2: example of the tone as this Assembly pushes harder and
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Speaker 2: harder for a formal treaty and we all know what
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Speaker 2: that means, financial reparation. Back in June this year, a
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Speaker 2: bloke called Travis Lovett arrived at State Parliament in Melbourne
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Speaker 2: after staging a protest walk from Portland in Western Victoria,
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Speaker 2: right over near the South Australian border. Here's just one
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Speaker 2: part of a speech that he made when he arrived
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Speaker 2: at Spring Street in Melbourne at Parliament House. Travis Lovett said, quote,
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Speaker 2: we moved from massacre sites hidden beneath the paddocks and
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Speaker 2: plarques to bus stops where our children waited on school
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Speaker 2: uniforms stitched with the legacy of exclusion. He carried on
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Speaker 2: love it did. He said, we crossed bridges over rivers
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Speaker 2: that once ran red load footpaths through towns where our
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Speaker 2: people were once forbidden to linger after sunset. That's Travis Lovett.
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Speaker 2: His event was called the Walk for Truth and he
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Speaker 2: urged Victorians to confront the state's history and commit to
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Speaker 2: a just future. I think we can all see where
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Speaker 2: this is headed. Scota Cameron now Tonight's political Headlines with
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Speaker 2: Sky New's political reporter Rubenspargo.
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Speaker 3: Australia will soon learn by posts what rate of tariffs
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Speaker 3: will be applied by the United States. Donald Trump's pause
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Speaker 3: on his sweeping global measure is expected to expire within days.
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Speaker 3: The President has all but dashed any hope of Australia
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Speaker 3: getting to the negotiating table.
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Speaker 4: In some countries, we don't care. Well, you know, we'll
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Speaker 4: just send an eye number out. But we're going to
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Speaker 4: be sending letters out signing pretty soon.
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Speaker 3: We'll continue to put our case forward that it shouldn't
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Speaker 3: be ten, it should be zero.
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Speaker 5: That is what a reciprocal tariff will be. The pairs
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Speaker 5: yet to meet. Two senior US politicians are now urging
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Speaker 5: Anthony Albernesi to make getting to the White House his priority.
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Speaker 5: The Foreign Minister is on our way to Washington and
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Speaker 5: he's set to meet her counterpart, Marco Rubio.
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Speaker 3: The Prime Minister is downplaying a warning from China over
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Speaker 3: Australia's defense spending.
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Speaker 5: Anthony Alberesi is wedged. Beijing pays the bills, but the
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Speaker 5: United States holds the shield. The Trump administration is pushing
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Speaker 5: Australia to lift its defense budget to three and a
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Speaker 5: half percent of GDP to help counter Chinese aggression. China's
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Speaker 5: top diplomat in Australia says dramatically increasing military spending places
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Speaker 5: a heavy fiscal burden on the countries involved.
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Speaker 6: The Chinese ambassador speaks for China.
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Speaker 7: My job is to speak for Australia and it's in
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Speaker 7: Australia's national interests for us to invest in our capability.
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Speaker 5: There are mounting views from within Australia on defense spending.
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Speaker 2: Two.
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Speaker 5: The opposition is pushing for it to rise to three
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Speaker 5: percent of GDP.
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Speaker 2: Good on new Reuben, thanks for that. Now. As I've said,
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Speaker 2: the twelve person jury is now isolated and considering a
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Speaker 2: verdict in the mushroom murder trial, where of course Aaron
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Speaker 2: Patterson has pleaded not guilty to three counts of murder
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Speaker 2: and one of attempted murder. Now this trial has been
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Speaker 2: running for ten weeks. Let's cross to Melbourne reporter Georgie Dickinson,
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Speaker 2: who tonight is in More World. Georgie, twelve jurors down
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Speaker 2: from fourteen, can you just explain to the viewers why
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Speaker 2: that had to happen?
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Speaker 6: Good evening to you, Steve. We started with fifteen at
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Speaker 6: the very beginning of the trial and the reason they
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Speaker 6: do this is in case jurors full sick or if
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Speaker 6: they have to excuse jurors, and that did happen. A
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Speaker 6: few weeks ago one Dura was dismissed over allegations he
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Speaker 6: was speaking to family and friends around the trial. And
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Speaker 6: so today two men who are actually balloced off. This
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Speaker 6: was drawn out of a hatlang situation to bring it
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Speaker 6: down to those twelve jurors, to ensure or that if
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Speaker 6: they had to dismiss those jurors during the trial, they
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Speaker 6: wouldn't have to start the trial all over again. So
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Speaker 6: now we are left with those seven men and five
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Speaker 6: women that this afternoon did begin to liberations hearing more
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Speaker 6: well in the trial of Aaron Patterson Steve.
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Speaker 2: Judge Bill puts some parameters around Georgie when they can
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Speaker 2: report back. I think it's Monday to Sunday and in
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Speaker 2: court hours, is that right?
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Speaker 6: Yeah, So they will begin delirations ten thirty am with
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Speaker 6: a break around lunchtime for an hour and finish at
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Speaker 6: four point fifteen each day. And what the court has
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Speaker 6: said is that they will continue into the weekend. They
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Speaker 6: will deliberate on Saturdays, but he has given them Sunday
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Speaker 6: off as I suppose arrest. They have been here now
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Speaker 6: into their tenth week in this trial, so so much information.
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Speaker 6: They have iPads and an index of information with all
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Speaker 6: the transcripts and all of the evidence that has been
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Speaker 6: given throughout this exten case. Fifty three witnesses have appeared
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Speaker 6: in this trial, so no doubt they need to sift
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Speaker 6: through so much evidence to be able to come up
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Speaker 6: with their verdict. And the verdict must be unanimous, so
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Speaker 6: they must all agree on those four different charges, three
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Speaker 6: counts of murder and one count of attempted murder.
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Speaker 2: Steve, the jury locked up, not able to go home.
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Speaker 2: I know they've been told they can't have phones, and
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Speaker 2: they shouldn't be looking at media. But do they get
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Speaker 2: sequested in a hotel or something or do they go home?
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Speaker 6: Yeah, so they're actually in a hotel. So this morning
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Speaker 6: the fourteen jurors actually all brought their luggage here to
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Speaker 6: the court room, and so those two jurors that were
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Speaker 6: dismissed had to take their luggage and then they got
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Speaker 6: to go back home. But for the remaining twelve jurors,
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Speaker 6: they took their luggage after their left court this morning,
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Speaker 6: this afternoon at four fifteen and back to the hotel.
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Speaker 6: Now the judge has given them strict instructions to not
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Speaker 6: speak about the case unless they are here at court.
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Speaker 6: This is where the deliberation take place. Once they go
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Speaker 6: to their hotel, they're able to rest relax, I suppose,
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Speaker 6: but they're not to discuss this case in small groups.
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Speaker 6: So it is very strict conditions on no phones, no media,
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Speaker 6: to ensure that this is a fair trial.
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Speaker 2: Steve Georgie, just finally, you and Holly have been up
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Speaker 2: and back to morewill a lot through the ten weeks.
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Speaker 2: The other reporters have also been There is there any
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Speaker 2: discussion among the media about having a guess on how
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Speaker 2: long this might take.
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Speaker 6: Always guess is Steve, but it is anyone's guess at
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Speaker 6: this stage as to how long this will take. With
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Speaker 6: so much evidence, it could go days, it could go weeks.
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Speaker 6: So we are all sitting tight. We will all be
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Speaker 6: staying around more well, as we will only get a
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Speaker 6: very brief amount of notice when the jew has actually
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Speaker 6: come back with a verdict. So we're all standing by
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Speaker 6: all waiting for that message to say that they have
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Speaker 6: reached a verdict in this so highly anticipated trial here
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Speaker 6: in more.
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Speaker 2: Well, Steve, great work, Georgie. Thanks, we'll check in with
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Speaker 2: obviously if anything brights during our show right through the
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Speaker 2: wik as I sit in for Peter. Let's bring in
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Speaker 2: our panel. Tonight Cameber political reporter Cam Riddens with us
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Speaker 2: and in Sidney Myle might the Daily Telegraph. James willis
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Speaker 2: US President Donald Trump. He signaled the ninety day pause
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Speaker 2: on his sweeping tariff regime. It's going to end within
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Speaker 2: a couple of days. He says he'll be sending out
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Speaker 2: letters with the tariff amount.
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Speaker 4: He's what he said, Well, look at how a country
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Speaker 4: treats us.
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Speaker 2: Are they good?
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Speaker 4: Are they not so good? Some countries we don't care
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Speaker 4: we'll you know, we'll just send a high number out.
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Speaker 4: But we're going to be sending letters out starting pretty soon. No,
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Speaker 4: we don't have to meet. We understand, we have all
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Speaker 4: the numbers, and what we're going to do is we're
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Speaker 4: going to send and we will say congratulations, we're allowing
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Speaker 4: you to shop in the United States of America. You're
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Speaker 4: going to pay a twenty five percent tariff, or a
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Speaker 4: thirty five percent or a fifty percent or ten percent.
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Speaker 8: Came.
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Speaker 2: I didn't think people sent letters anymore, at.
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Speaker 9: Least of all the President of the United States, Steve Look.
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Speaker 9: I think there's a little bit of theater in that.
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Speaker 9: The way it's been put to me is that the
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Speaker 9: Prime Minister, of the Trade minister, they're not sitting next
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Speaker 9: to some Australia postbox waiting for Donald Trump to write
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Speaker 9: to them. We are getting the ten percent tariff, that's
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Speaker 9: for sure. The efforts to try and get out of
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Speaker 9: it somehow will continue. There's still efforts at the diplomatic level,
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Speaker 9: at the treasurer's level, the Foreign Minister going over again
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Speaker 9: to Washington this week. But we're not going to get
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Speaker 9: out of it. Seemingly most countries aren't, and why share
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Speaker 9: some insight that was given to me this afternoon as well, Steve,
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Speaker 9: on the way that this is playing out behind the
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Speaker 9: scenes between Australia and the US, there is a lot
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Speaker 9: of focus, and naturally there would be on the fact
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Speaker 9: that the Prime Minister hasn't yet had FaceTime with President Trump.
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Speaker 9: The way that this tariff negotiation is playing out, the
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Speaker 9: way it's been put to me is that there's even
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Speaker 9: been some acknowledgment from US officials perhaps giving some advice
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Speaker 9: to the Australian officials, saying there is so much on
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Speaker 9: their plate at the moment, it wouldn't be the worst
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Speaker 9: thing in the world to keep your head down and
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Speaker 9: not attract the president's should he perhaps see something else
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Speaker 9: that he doesn't like and decide to raise that taroff figure.
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Speaker 9: Naturally there's a much greater focus on the US end
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Speaker 9: on China. Potentially a further extension is that on the
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Speaker 9: table the UK they've just signed a free trade deal
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Speaker 9: or a new deal that was many years in the
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Speaker 9: making after Brexit, and then there's the European Union which
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Speaker 9: is even more complicated. So Steve, perhaps that goes some
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Speaker 9: way to the reasoning that Australia hasn't necessarily been thumping
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Speaker 9: the desk over these tariffs. It is the lowest level. Yes,
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Speaker 9: it is ten percent reciprocal. There will be an impact.
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Speaker 9: There is even one school of thought though, that because
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Speaker 9: Australia is at the lowest level, if these tariffs really
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Speaker 9: do cause something of a chaos agent effect in the
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Speaker 9: global economy and there's problems in Europe, there's problems in
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Speaker 9: Southeast Asia and elsewhere, does that actually make Australia a
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Speaker 9: more attractive market for others to buy more of our
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Speaker 9: goods and therefore get more money into our economy. So
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Speaker 9: obviously this is complicated, Steve. But by all the noises
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Speaker 9: coming out of both sides, it does not look like
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Speaker 9: we're getting a free pass at.
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Speaker 2: All, James. The problem for the PM of courses I
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Speaker 2: and you know, it's good and well for American politicians
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Speaker 2: to tell us to keep our head down, but politically,
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Speaker 2: Anthony Albanez he's dying a death by a thousand cuts
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Speaker 2: because he's seen as being weak and he doesn't have,
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Speaker 2: you know, the phone call that he needs with Donald Trump,
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Speaker 2: much less the face to face meeting.
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Speaker 10: Well, Steve, I'm not going to blame the PM entirely
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Speaker 10: for this because based on what Cam has said and
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Speaker 10: what we've read about this saga, it would have been very,
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Speaker 10: very hard for Australia to avoid this, and as Cam
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Speaker 10: just said, we've caught the ten percent tariff when it
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Speaker 10: could have been worse. However, there is absolutely no doubt
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Speaker 10: that the Prime Minister has some work to do on
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Speaker 10: his relationship with America, and I think that goes back
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Speaker 10: to the inauguration. I mean, it's easy to sit here
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Speaker 10: and talk in hindsight, but the PM didn't go to
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Speaker 10: Donald Trump's inauguration.
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Speaker 2: I think he should have gone.
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Speaker 10: That would have been a good starting point, and clearly
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Speaker 10: in the time since they haven't been able to have
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Speaker 10: any of those proper meetings that they intended to try
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Speaker 10: and bring this to the front. At the same time,
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Speaker 10: you've had reports today about some issues around the Ambassador
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Speaker 10: Kevin Rudd and a perception in America, whether it be
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Speaker 10: Trump or people in Trump's office, that Kevin Rudd is
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Speaker 10: not well liked, and we know that he's made a
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Speaker 10: number of high profile comments about Donald Trump previously, so
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Speaker 10: you have that factor and.
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Speaker 2: So there is a serious bit of work here to do.
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Speaker 10: Now we know the Prime Minister has had no issue
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Speaker 10: getting on a plane during his first term in government.
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Speaker 10: I think this would be the easiest one when he
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Speaker 10: does get this meeting, to get on a plane and
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Speaker 10: finally sit down with Donald Trump and go through this.
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Speaker 10: And look, let's face it, no matter what you think
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Speaker 10: about Malcolm Turnbull, the relationship between Malcolm Turnbull and the
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Speaker 10: President and also largely Joe Hockey as ambassador allowed us
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Speaker 10: to avoid these tariffs when they pop their heads up
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Speaker 10: under the first Trump presidency in twenty sixteen. So Malcolm
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Speaker 10: Turbule and Joe Hockey got the job done here, a
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Speaker 10: long way to go and clearly that relationship needs some
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Speaker 10: work over the next few months.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, even Arthur Sinnadinas did a great job. Don't get
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Speaker 2: me started on Kevin Rudd. You'll never shut me up
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Speaker 2: if you start taking me down that track. Hey, Cam China,
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Speaker 2: the ambassador here, he's always been very high profile. He's
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Speaker 2: come out a piece in The Australian Today and said, ah,
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Speaker 2: the Australian government shouldn't increase defense spending. It would place
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Speaker 2: a quote heavy fiscal burden on the budget. What's it
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Speaker 2: got to do with him? Why would we care? What
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Speaker 2: he's got to say.
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Speaker 9: Well, it might well do that, Steve. I mean the
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Speaker 9: Chinese ambassador, as the Prime Minister pointed out today, he
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Speaker 9: is there to speak on China's behalf, and the Prime
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Speaker 9: Minister is saying that he will speak for Australia's behalf
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Speaker 9: and not really elaborating on that. Clearly, this is a
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Speaker 9: friction point going back to the US Australia relationship, because
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Speaker 9: this is what's really got it in the four of
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Speaker 9: where Donald Trump wants us to be. You've just seen
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Speaker 9: NATO meet that bar Spain five percent annual GDP spend
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Speaker 9: on defense, which which is tens, probably hundreds of billions
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Speaker 9: of dollars above what we would spend every year. The
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Speaker 9: Prime Minister points to that new line of spending in
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Speaker 9: the budget. Fifty seven billion is what's allotted for this
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Speaker 9: year and it is trending up. But the government maintains Stephen,
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Speaker 9: this is kind of where the debate seems to be
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Speaker 9: going that they don't want to set an arbitrary figure
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Speaker 9: in their view, what is an arbitrary figure and then
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Speaker 9: work up to it. They want to target project by project.
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Speaker 9: It's difficult when the budget's in the red though, and
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Speaker 9: of course, I guess going back to the call point
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Speaker 9: that of should we raise defense spending and what do
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Speaker 9: we spend it on? The government would certainly be wary
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Speaker 9: that defense is a pressure on the budget. It's one
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Speaker 9: that there's an appetite globally for more spending on. The
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Speaker 9: challenge is, as it always is, you've got to find
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Speaker 9: the money to do that, and that's a challenge the
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Speaker 9: government's well aware of.
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Speaker 2: Cameron James Sanks Guys, I took to you again shortly now.
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Speaker 2: As I mentioned at the top of the program, we've
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Speaker 2: got a real problem with this push for a voice
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Speaker 2: to Parliament in Victoria. Joining me now to discuss this
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Speaker 2: is Executive director of the Institute of Public Affairs, Scott Hargraves.
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Speaker 2: Great see of Scott. The numbers I mentioned at the top,
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Speaker 2: thirty three Assembly members all on around just under one
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Speaker 2: hundred thousand dollars annual salary, sixty five million allocated to
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Speaker 2: something called the Self Determination Fund. Most Victorians watching you
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Speaker 2: and I here today wouldn't have a clue that this
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Speaker 2: was happening in the background.
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Speaker 7: Well, thank you for putting the attention on it, Steve.
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Speaker 7: It is truly terrible that after the overwhelming rejection of
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Speaker 7: a divisive Voice to Parliament at the federal election and
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Speaker 7: a referendum. We're now seeing its junior cousin, a very
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Speaker 7: divisive State Voice de Parliament being foisted upon us by
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Speaker 7: the Allen government and it is dividing Victorians. We've got
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Speaker 7: a lot on our plate at the moment, as you know, Steve.
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Speaker 7: We've got out of control debt, rising energy costs, the
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Speaker 7: private sector is fleeing the state. But the activist Allen
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Speaker 7: government setting up this body to spend not just the
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Speaker 7: tens of millions that you mentioned, but probably hundreds of
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Speaker 7: millions across a range of projects on something that is
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Speaker 7: going to divide Victorians by race, which is exactly what
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Speaker 7: mainstream Australians rejected at the Voice to Parliament referendum.
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Speaker 2: Scott Jersier Allen, I think came out today and said
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Speaker 2: she's got a mandate to do this. Well. I don't
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Speaker 2: remember it being a particularly high profile policy discussion during
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Speaker 2: the last campaign. I want to ask you why the
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Speaker 2: secrecy is this. I mean, you think this is going
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Speaker 2: to end in a treaty that'll mean more taxpayers money
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Speaker 2: will be shoveled out the door don't Victorian taxpayers have
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Speaker 2: the right to know what is being asked of the
19:43
Speaker 2: government on behalf of the voters of Victoria. What do
19:47
Speaker 2: these people want? What does this group want when they
19:50
Speaker 2: talk about treaty.
19:54
Speaker 7: Well, as you know, Steve, it was actually the trifecta
19:57
Speaker 7: that they came up with, which was Voice, treaty and
19:59
Speaker 7: true And we had something in Victoria called the Urup Commission,
20:03
Speaker 7: which was supposedly about truth, but as you know, it's
20:07
Speaker 7: actually come up with a very biased rendering of Victoria's history,
20:13
Speaker 7: deliberately suppressed evidence that might have challenged this new narrative
20:18
Speaker 7: that they're creating so that they can justify their divisive
20:22
Speaker 7: policies and stampedus towards a treaty. And we haven't heard
20:26
Speaker 7: much about it because that's not really how the activists operate.
20:29
Speaker 7: When they've got control of the leavers of government, it's
20:33
Speaker 7: easier for them to forge your head to actually deny
20:37
Speaker 7: the kind of outcomes that we saw in the Voice
20:40
Speaker 7: to Parliament referendum, and remember it was in Victoria. Still
20:45
Speaker 7: fifty four percent of Victorians voted no, they don't want this.
20:49
Speaker 7: That's probably where their attention was. If they had a
20:51
Speaker 7: similar opportunity in Victoria. I've got no doubt they'd say
20:54
Speaker 7: the same thing, but they don't seem to be getting
20:56
Speaker 7: that opportunity.
20:59
Speaker 2: Scott was thinking today about what's the actual impact of
21:02
Speaker 2: some of these negotiations and the indigenous groups wanting things
21:08
Speaker 2: changed to their way of wanting it done, and I remembered.
21:13
Speaker 2: But of course the Victoria quite recently, about a year ago,
21:16
Speaker 2: dropped the right of police to arrest anyone who was
21:19
Speaker 2: drunk in public. Now, that was a result of direct
21:23
Speaker 2: lobbying from Indigenous groups who were complaining. In the first instance,
21:27
Speaker 2: an example of an inebriated woman on a train that
21:31
Speaker 2: police took off the train and put in a jail cell,
21:33
Speaker 2: and tragically she passed away. But this is the sort
21:38
Speaker 2: of thing if this treaty is enacted that we'll be
21:41
Speaker 2: witnessing on a regular basis.
21:45
Speaker 7: Yeah, a crazy change to the law like that shows
21:49
Speaker 7: what happens when you decide that racial injustice is at
21:53
Speaker 7: the heart of any negative social outcome anywhere, and that
21:58
Speaker 7: the only way to fix it is to carve out
22:01
Speaker 7: with special laws one section of the population and say
22:04
Speaker 7: that we're going to apply the laws differentially. So expect
22:08
Speaker 7: to see a lot more of that taking us down
22:10
Speaker 7: the road that we've seen in America. And also, Steve,
22:14
Speaker 7: I'd also recommend have a look at the regional treaties
22:18
Speaker 7: that they've already been signing, including in western Victoria, where
22:21
Speaker 7: we've seen a lot of changes, how public land has
22:24
Speaker 7: managed a lot more red tape for councils, and all
22:27
Speaker 7: of it was done away from the public eye. The
22:30
Speaker 7: Allen government executed these agreements with the traditional owners in
22:35
Speaker 7: those areas with putting incredibly onerous provisions on the local community,
22:40
Speaker 7: but the rest of the community just had no say
22:42
Speaker 7: in it.
22:44
Speaker 2: I'm loathed to do this to you, but here's the
22:46
Speaker 2: premiere today trying to explain this away. Have a look.
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Speaker 11: When you listen to people, you get better outcomes, and
22:53
Speaker 11: that's what treaty is all about. I reckon we're up
22:55
Speaker 11: for that. As a state, we're up for this. We're
22:59
Speaker 11: up for this very simple, common sense change of involving
23:03
Speaker 11: and listening first people in the decisions that affect them.
23:08
Speaker 2: I don't know if there is audio of it, but
23:10
Speaker 2: why didn't someone in the standing there questioning say, but
23:14
Speaker 2: hang on a minute. Fifty four percent of Victorians said
23:16
Speaker 2: they didn't want a voice. What are you talking about? Absolutely?
23:21
Speaker 7: And don't we all love the idea of listening. We
23:25
Speaker 7: could all do with a little bit more listening in Victoria.
23:27
Speaker 7: Maybe they do something about plugging the deficit and stopping
23:30
Speaker 7: the unions running out of control and doing something about crime.
23:33
Speaker 7: But the other floor in the rhetoric that the premier
23:36
Speaker 7: is coming up there is who are they actually listening to?
23:39
Speaker 7: Is it really an indigenous community or is it really
23:44
Speaker 7: setting up a structure that will be taken over by
23:46
Speaker 7: activists highly paid. There's already an incredible bureaucracy built up
23:51
Speaker 7: around this. It will attract exactly the sort of grievance
23:54
Speaker 7: mongers who don't want to focus on the things that
23:58
Speaker 7: you notice as Victorians, want to focus on the things
24:00
Speaker 7: that divide us because that furthers their activism and actually
24:04
Speaker 7: you can make a nice living out of it.
24:08
Speaker 2: Well, let's hope that the opposition come out and say
24:11
Speaker 2: that if they win the election in November next year.
24:13
Speaker 2: I think Brad Baton spoke about this briefly today, that
24:16
Speaker 2: they'll scrap whatever is put in place. But once it's
24:19
Speaker 2: legislated Scott, as you know, it's very difficult to unpick it.
24:23
Speaker 2: Appreciate your time very much tonight, Thanks very much for that.
24:26
Speaker 2: I'll talk to you shortly. I'll have more to say
24:28
Speaker 2: about this later in the program. Now, after the break
24:30
Speaker 2: the KPM he's asking for answers after this ugly anti
24:35
Speaker 2: Israel chant was broadcast live on BBC Television at the weekend.
24:40
Speaker 2: Plus what next for Australia's floundering green hydrogen sector with
24:45
Speaker 2: news that are much lauded projecting queens like guess what
24:48
Speaker 2: It's been canceled? Welcome back, step price in for Peter Credlin.
24:56
Speaker 2: All this week the green dream, the grand green dream
25:00
Speaker 2: turning rapidly into a nightmare. We'll have more on that shortly.
25:03
Speaker 2: I want to turn our attention though, now to the
25:05
Speaker 2: appalling anti Israeli chant from a couple of musicians, but
25:08
Speaker 2: one in particular at the Glastonbury Music Festival in the
25:12
Speaker 2: UK at the weekend. Now, this involved someone I'd never
25:16
Speaker 2: heard of, a wrap duo called Bobby Verlan or Vailan
25:21
Speaker 2: had the crowd in the ugly chorus during a set
25:25
Speaker 2: broadcast live by the BBC, chanting this, have a listen.
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Speaker 12: To the idf the id to the idea.
25:38
Speaker 2: I'm sure he didn't miss it, but if you did,
25:40
Speaker 2: this bloke is encouraging the audience to chant death to
25:44
Speaker 2: the IDEF the Israeli Defense Force, a reference of course
25:47
Speaker 2: to the Israeli military and brave soldiers who are wearing
25:51
Speaker 2: that uniform. So worth remembering that on October seven, Humas
25:55
Speaker 2: terrorists murdered hundreds of people at the Nova Music Festival.
25:59
Speaker 2: Yet here we have somebody on stage leading a chant
26:02
Speaker 2: at a music festival less than two years later, effectively
26:06
Speaker 2: honoring the terrorists. Joining me now to discuss this and
26:10
Speaker 2: more as President of the Executive Council of Australian Jury,
26:13
Speaker 2: Daniel Aggion, Daniel, welcome, let's talk about this chant. But
26:19
Speaker 2: I mean we come to expect some of this disgraceful
26:23
Speaker 2: stuff from entertainers and celebrities. What worries me more about
26:29
Speaker 2: this is the fact that the crowd, which is I've
26:32
Speaker 2: never been to Glastonbury but tickets would be expensive. They're
26:35
Speaker 2: largely privileged Londoner's young people. How frightening is it for
26:42
Speaker 2: you personally when you see them join in a chant
26:45
Speaker 2: like that, Given what we're going through.
26:50
Speaker 8: Steve, it's very frightening. That chant then became an echo
26:55
Speaker 8: because it was repeated at the pro Garza protest Melbourne
27:00
Speaker 8: this Sunday. So it's gone around the world and it's
27:04
Speaker 8: gone local here. That's a frightening thing about when people
27:09
Speaker 8: when you hear that phrase globalize the fada, this is
27:13
Speaker 8: what we're talking about. This is this is this is
27:15
Speaker 8: the consequence of globalization of the INTOVRDA.
27:20
Speaker 2: I saw a media commentator on with Deniker in the
27:23
Speaker 2: in the program before we came on air, and I
27:26
Speaker 2: thought he made a great point that Britain has not
27:29
Speaker 2: seen this level of anti semitism since the nineteen thirties.
27:33
Speaker 2: You'd agree with that, wouldn't you.
27:36
Speaker 8: Of course, it's in fact it's a terrible thing that
27:40
Speaker 8: when you speak to Holocaust survivors in any Western country,
27:46
Speaker 8: doesn't matter which, they will all say that the president
27:51
Speaker 8: the present level of anti Semitism is the worst they
27:55
Speaker 8: have seen since the Holocaust. And that's a terrible thing.
27:58
Speaker 8: When a Holocaust survivor says that, for example here in
28:01
Speaker 8: Melbourne or in Sydney or others that I've spoken to
28:04
Speaker 8: around the world, I have to say, see, my heartbreaks.
28:07
Speaker 8: It really does.
28:11
Speaker 2: And you mentioned that this has gone around the world already,
28:13
Speaker 2: and did you say it was being chanted at a protest,
28:17
Speaker 2: a pro Palestinian protest in Melbourne on the weekend on Sunday.
28:21
Speaker 8: That's correct, this on Sunday. The only change was instead
28:25
Speaker 8: of calling them the Idea Israel Defence Forces, they called
28:28
Speaker 8: them the IOF Isral occupation Forces. So in Melbourne the
28:33
Speaker 8: chart was death to the IOF. But it was identical
28:37
Speaker 8: and it was driven by this smart ass chant which
28:42
Speaker 8: was delivered at Glastonbury.
28:46
Speaker 2: And of course you know we would have found out
28:47
Speaker 2: about it, but it was made so much worse by
28:50
Speaker 2: the fact that the BBC, somebody in the BBC who
28:53
Speaker 2: needs to be sacked, allowed this to go out live.
28:57
Speaker 2: I mean, they hadn't vetted the lyrics of this rap
29:01
Speaker 2: artist song. If they had, he would have probably refused
29:04
Speaker 2: to perform, which would have been good for all of us.
29:06
Speaker 2: But I mean mainstream media like the BBC, are they
29:10
Speaker 2: just blind to the anti Semitic rent that this bloke
29:14
Speaker 2: was going on with.
29:17
Speaker 8: I think the problem to toeve is that you have
29:19
Speaker 8: to push them into the corner. So there had been
29:22
Speaker 8: another band called Kneecap. I hadn't heard of them either,
29:26
Speaker 8: but they were a rap band and they're actually they're
29:30
Speaker 8: one of the members. He is facing terrors of charges
29:33
Speaker 8: for waving around a Ramas flag. So the BBC were
29:39
Speaker 8: cautious in respect of that performance and didn't show it live.
29:43
Speaker 8: But then he saw how many pro Palestine flags were
29:47
Speaker 8: in the audience. I don't understand why the BBC showed
29:52
Speaker 8: it live, why they didn't put on the three or
29:55
Speaker 8: five second delay, why they didn't have the usual censorship
30:00
Speaker 8: arrangements in place that they would have for offensive language,
30:05
Speaker 8: for any kind of hateful or vilifying behavior. Somehow this
30:09
Speaker 8: one is just seen to just go straight through to
30:12
Speaker 8: the keeper and broadcast live with no problems.
30:17
Speaker 2: Daniel, I mean a hard question you must have since
30:20
Speaker 2: October seven turned over and over and over in your mind.
30:23
Speaker 2: What is it about a section of young Western teenagers
30:30
Speaker 2: and younger people in their twenties that somehow drags them
30:34
Speaker 2: out on the street to wave Palestinian flags and chance
30:38
Speaker 2: slogans like this? I mean, what's driving this?
30:44
Speaker 8: Yeah, look, it's a very good question, Steve. I mean
30:47
Speaker 8: it's interesting. You know, my father protested against the war,
30:51
Speaker 8: he tells me, in the late sixties. I think young
30:55
Speaker 8: people like to protest, But what's happening is this they
30:59
Speaker 8: learn a particular narrative, particularly in the universities, but they're
31:03
Speaker 8: learning a particular narrative that every conflict around the world
31:08
Speaker 8: is not gray, it's not complex, it's not difficult. It's
31:11
Speaker 8: black and white, and it's colonizer versus colonized. And in
31:15
Speaker 8: their eyes, the Israel they're the colonizers. They're the bad guys.
31:23
Speaker 8: The Garsens, the Palestinians they're the good guys. So you know,
31:28
Speaker 8: it's like Star Wars, the baddies and the goodies, and
31:32
Speaker 8: Israel is the badies. Therefore the Jews the Jewish state,
31:37
Speaker 8: So the Jews around the world, they're the baddies. And
31:41
Speaker 8: it's that simple and that simplistic. And the trouble then
31:45
Speaker 8: is that this is not a peaceful movement. This is
31:47
Speaker 8: not a movement for positive change. This is not a
31:52
Speaker 8: movement to bring people together. It's a movement to divide,
31:56
Speaker 8: and it's a movement that has hate has at its core.
32:01
Speaker 2: Yes, it's very very frightening, Daniel, thank you very much
32:04
Speaker 2: for that joining us. We'll catch up soon now after
32:06
Speaker 2: the break. Reality bites for Australia's green hydrogen sector plus
32:11
Speaker 2: Chris Bowen Chris has ordered a gas review. What do
32:14
Speaker 2: you think that'll mean to your gas bill? Welcome back
32:22
Speaker 2: as you could join USTEEP price in for Peter Credlin
32:25
Speaker 2: all this week. Now we'll chat to John Olee s Guy,
32:28
Speaker 2: a reporter. He's in Japan at the moment. He's looking
32:31
Speaker 2: at the next chapter for the Australian Navy and whether
32:34
Speaker 2: we ought to be investing in Japanese or German made frigates. John,
32:38
Speaker 2: I will join us shortly, but first I mentioned this.
32:40
Speaker 2: This is the dilemma facing Australia's green hydrogen sector. Now remember,
32:45
Speaker 2: over and over and over again we're told by Chris
32:47
Speaker 2: Bowen and Anthony Albanezi this was the fuel of the future.
32:50
Speaker 2: It was going to be our way to net zero.
32:53
Speaker 2: Now billions of dollars and plenty of championing by the
32:56
Speaker 2: federal government, it seems reality is to buy it. I
33:00
Speaker 2: shouldn't laugh, because I mean, if you can get these
33:02
Speaker 2: things off the ground, it might be a good idea.
33:04
Speaker 2: But news today that Australia's largest green hydro project this
33:09
Speaker 2: was w'th twelve point five billion dollars. By the way,
33:12
Speaker 2: it's got a plant and a pipeline, it's a Gladston
33:15
Speaker 2: in Queensland. Well it's been acted. I mean it falls
33:18
Speaker 2: off the back of lack of progress for a one
33:21
Speaker 2: hundred billion dollar pipeline of ambitious green proposals in a
33:26
Speaker 2: sector which Anthony ibneas he says, well, that's the future
33:28
Speaker 2: and this is made in Australia. We're going to be
33:30
Speaker 2: a global player when it comes to green hydrogen. Here
33:34
Speaker 2: to discuss the matter is the Center for Independent Studies
33:37
Speaker 2: Director of Energy Research, Aiden Morris and Aiden glad To
33:41
Speaker 2: have your expertise here before we get into why this
33:45
Speaker 2: thing's fallen over, can you just briefly tell me what
33:48
Speaker 2: green hydrogen is.
33:53
Speaker 13: Yeah, hydrogen is hydrogen that gets made of using electricity
33:56
Speaker 13: that comes from green sources, in particular wind and solar.
34:00
Speaker 13: It's the idea you get electricity from the sun and
34:02
Speaker 13: the wind and convert that into hydrogen by splitting water
34:06
Speaker 13: molecules apart, it's extremely energy intensive and relies on the
34:09
Speaker 13: electricity being essentially free, and even then there's very expensive
34:14
Speaker 13: materials and equipment required, and so it hasn't really taken
34:17
Speaker 13: off anywhere in the world at all.
34:21
Speaker 2: One of the great salesmen of this product of course
34:24
Speaker 2: was Twiggy Forest, and I think he's also pulled out
34:27
Speaker 2: of a number of projects. What is causing these schemes
34:33
Speaker 2: to fall over? Is it cost? Is that what the
34:36
Speaker 2: accountants get hold of the planning and go, hang on
34:39
Speaker 2: a minute, that's just not going to add up.
34:44
Speaker 13: Yeah, that's pretty much it. This has never stacked up economically,
34:47
Speaker 13: and from an engineering sense, hydrogen is the least dense
34:50
Speaker 13: gas there is known to man. It's basically the hardest
34:53
Speaker 13: thing on earth to compress and store and move around.
34:57
Speaker 13: And so making this your panacea energy salut to everything
35:00
Speaker 13: we need to get to net zero was never going
35:03
Speaker 13: to work. There is not demand for it. No one
35:05
Speaker 13: would ever pay the plausible prices that are required to
35:08
Speaker 13: produce this stuff.
35:09
Speaker 2: So use the.
35:11
Speaker 13: Word pipeline a pipeline. It is not a pipeline. Everything
35:15
Speaker 13: that goes into the top of a pipe comes out
35:16
Speaker 13: at the bottom. Eventually, this is a parade of vaporware.
35:19
Speaker 13: Absolutely every project that starts down the runway disappears off
35:23
Speaker 13: with a puff of smoke. And this is happening again
35:25
Speaker 13: and again. It's happening all around the world. I don't
35:28
Speaker 13: think hydrogen really ever is going to happen at anything
35:30
Speaker 13: like the scale it's imagined, because it faces fundamental uphill
35:34
Speaker 13: engineering disadvantages compared to other energy sources and energy storage
35:39
Speaker 13: methods like natural gas.
35:42
Speaker 2: Yeah, and don't get me started on nuclear, which we
35:45
Speaker 2: all agree we should be looking at. Is anywhere in
35:48
Speaker 2: the world making green hydrogen, empowering stuff with it and
35:51
Speaker 2: doing it successfully.
35:55
Speaker 13: Look, basically, no, there is nothing that has survived any
35:58
Speaker 13: sort of commercial litmus test at all. There have been
36:01
Speaker 13: obviously tiny little lab experiments and miniature pilot projects, but
36:04
Speaker 13: nothing is actually getting serious off take greemans and serious capital.
36:07
Speaker 13: You can look around the world Twiggy cancel with projects
36:09
Speaker 13: in Canada, just like in Australia, Denmark's canceling things. Germany
36:13
Speaker 13: just recently required a canceled a bigger green steel project
36:17
Speaker 13: which would have consumed hydrogen. There is basically just no
36:20
Speaker 13: success stories to point to anywhere globally for green hydrogen.
36:27
Speaker 2: So Anthony Albanezi, Chris Bowen, I mean they have really
36:32
Speaker 2: stuck their necks out on this stuff. I mean you can.
36:34
Speaker 2: I could show you grab after grab after grab of
36:37
Speaker 2: them singing the praises of this stuff, but it's simply
36:41
Speaker 2: not going to happen. What's it going to do to
36:42
Speaker 2: our ambitions for net zero?
36:47
Speaker 13: Yeah, look, this is one of the absolutely fatal flaws
36:49
Speaker 13: in the government's current plan. And if you look at
36:52
Speaker 13: the Integrated System Plan and read through the appendices, green
36:55
Speaker 13: hydrogen played an absolutely crucial role. It was meant to
36:58
Speaker 13: basically soak up all the extra electrons that were floating
37:02
Speaker 13: around the grid during the sunny days, and so it
37:04
Speaker 13: was meant to be basically a big solar sponge that
37:06
Speaker 13: helped prop up the system provide a minium level of demand,
37:09
Speaker 13: and so without that, it was meant to be fifteen
37:11
Speaker 13: gigawatts in the most likely scenario, So the government said
37:14
Speaker 13: in twenty fifty. Without that, the wastage and grid stability
37:17
Speaker 13: problems in the current plan are going to be absolutely massive,
37:21
Speaker 13: all right. So it has been used to paper over
37:23
Speaker 13: the absolutely critical flaws that go to the heart of
37:26
Speaker 13: the energy transition, and it's simply not going to happen. So, yeah,
37:30
Speaker 13: right to the core of our planning documents. It is
37:32
Speaker 13: an absolutely monstrous problem for us to not have any
37:35
Speaker 13: of this green hydrogen going ahead, which could have been
37:38
Speaker 13: seen and pilum and telling everyone this in advance. It's
37:41
Speaker 13: just not a viable proposal.
37:44
Speaker 2: Good on you, Aiden, thank you, and of course we've
37:46
Speaker 2: got Chris but today talking about a new review into gas.
37:49
Speaker 2: I mean, God knows what's going to come out of that,
37:51
Speaker 2: and I can tell you one thing that won't come
37:53
Speaker 2: out of it as cheaper gas for people. Aiden, thank
37:55
Speaker 2: you very much for that. Coming up, we'll catch up
37:58
Speaker 2: with John o'lees in Japan. Welcome back. We'll get to
38:08
Speaker 2: our panel tonight. We'll get to them shortly. I want
38:11
Speaker 2: to ask David Limbrick in particular about the issue of
38:15
Speaker 2: the amount of people being caught with drugs in their
38:18
Speaker 2: system driving in Victoria. It's tried extraordinary quickly, they want
38:22
Speaker 2: to catch up with John o'lee, who is in Japan
38:24
Speaker 2: as a guest of the Japanese government. There's a big
38:26
Speaker 2: debate going on around ten billion dollars worth of defense
38:29
Speaker 2: spending on new frigates. It's either going to be the
38:32
Speaker 2: Japanese of the Germans. This reminds me of the submarine
38:37
Speaker 2: deals that we went through originally, because I think it
38:40
Speaker 2: was Tony Abbott. It was very keen on buying off
38:43
Speaker 2: the shelf submarines from Japan.
38:44
Speaker 14: Wasn't it. Yeah, good evening.
38:48
Speaker 12: Just Steve funny you say that we're actually just in
38:50
Speaker 12: an office stand having a bit of that conversation as well.
38:52
Speaker 12: I want to make it crystal clear that sky and
38:55
Speaker 12: Use tonight is a guest of the Japanese government and
38:57
Speaker 12: also Mitsubishi Heavy Industries were over here looking at the
39:00
Speaker 12: Magami type frigate or mcgami class frigate. It's crucial to
39:04
Speaker 12: Australia's future. Really when it comes to the navy, we
39:07
Speaker 12: are under gunns, we're short of sailors and we're short
39:10
Speaker 12: of ships. Review after reviewers determined that australia strategic position
39:14
Speaker 12: really has changed, it's altered, it suffered. We see the
39:17
Speaker 12: rise of China in the region. Here in Japan, it's
39:20
Speaker 12: where the rubber hits the road.
39:21
Speaker 14: In many regards.
39:22
Speaker 12: The recent review decided that we need eleven frigates, three
39:26
Speaker 12: to be purchased or three to be constructed, I should
39:29
Speaker 12: say in the country of origin. It comes down at
39:31
Speaker 12: this point in time to a Japanese did or a
39:33
Speaker 12: German did. The Germans previously made our Anzac class frigates.
39:38
Speaker 12: But to put this all into context, we've really got
39:40
Speaker 12: three main destroyers and we've got eight Anzac class frigates,
39:44
Speaker 12: which we've now scrapped one, so we're down to a
39:47
Speaker 12: fleet of approximately ten if we were to go to war,
39:50
Speaker 12: and you have to divide that by three to see
39:52
Speaker 12: which is ready at any given point in time. So
39:54
Speaker 12: we've basically got three maybe four ships if conflict broke
39:57
Speaker 12: out tomorrow. So we're trying to urgently get some new
40:00
Speaker 12: vessels into the Australian Navy and in a point of
40:03
Speaker 12: time now where we need to decide are we're going
40:04
Speaker 12: to go.
40:04
Speaker 14: With Japan or with Germany.
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Speaker 12: This is huge for Japan because they've never exported a
40:10
Speaker 12: combat vessel like this.
40:11
Speaker 14: It would be the first time globally.
40:12
Speaker 12: It would market improved relationship between Australia and Japan.
40:16
Speaker 14: We thought that might have happened previously with submarines. This
40:18
Speaker 14: is what.
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Speaker 12: Jennifer Parker described to me and put to me when
40:21
Speaker 12: we spoke about this issue before heading over.
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Speaker 14: She puts it perfectly into context.
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Speaker 15: Eave our priority needs to be just getting a ship.
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Speaker 15: I'm not convinced that we will end up building eight
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Speaker 15: in Australia. I would like to see that continuouship building
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Speaker 15: in Australia is critical to our ability to respond to
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Speaker 15: a conflict.
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Speaker 14: Naval war is a.
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Speaker 15: War of attrition, so we need to be able to
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Speaker 15: build ships and repair ships in a conflict. But our
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Speaker 15: priority right now is getting ships. I think the main
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Speaker 15: risk we should be considering right now is which of
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Speaker 15: the capabilities can we integrate into the fleet as quickly
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Speaker 15: as possible. Not which is the best capability, not which
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Speaker 15: is our strategic relationship, It's which one can we actually
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Speaker 15: get into the fleet commonality and sustain.
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Speaker 12: A common I wanted to bring you tonight was from
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Speaker 12: a doctor Ishikawa who is from the Japanese Ministry of
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Speaker 12: Defense behind me. He made it very clear that if
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Speaker 12: Australia chose the Japanese option, and in his words, we
41:14
Speaker 12: can definitely guarantee that we delivered on time. It's a
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Speaker 12: huge difference between us and our competitors. The Japanese Governor's
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Speaker 12: effect guarantee that if we go with their bid, we
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Speaker 12: will get our first frigate with them from twenty twenty nine,
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Speaker 12: with three to be built here and the other remaining
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Speaker 12: frigates to be built in Western Australia. It's exactly what
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Speaker 12: our Department of Defense would be hoping to hear. Will
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Speaker 12: they choose the Japanese bid or the German We don't
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Speaker 12: know yet, Steve.
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Speaker 2: Good on you, John, No, thank you. I'll be in
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Speaker 2: Japan next week and I would be going with the
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Speaker 2: Japanese bid for sure. That's John O.
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Speaker 15: Lee.
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Speaker 2: You'll see full updates on what's happening there. As I said,
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Speaker 2: let's go to our panel tonight one Nation National Executive
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Speaker 2: Member Lee Hanson and Victorian Libertarian Party MP David Limbrick. David,
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Speaker 2: I want to get onto these drug drive Welcome to
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Speaker 2: you both. I want to get onto these drug driving
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Speaker 2: figures in a second. But David, what do you know
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Speaker 2: about the story that's broken today about Victoria potentially going
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Speaker 2: down the track of establishing its own voice to Parliament,
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Speaker 2: which was voted down by the majority of Australians back
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Speaker 2: in two years ago. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Well, when I talked to many constituents about this issue,
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Speaker 1: their reaction is didn't we vote on this in twenty
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Speaker 1: twenty three? And I've got to say I feel the
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Speaker 1: same way. There's lots of questions about what's going to
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Speaker 1: actually happen with this, like what does a treaty actually
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Speaker 1: look like? And I think that a lot of Victorians
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Speaker 1: don't like the idea of having this sort of race
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Speaker 1: based distinction happening in parliament and a lot of people
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Speaker 1: are opposed to it.
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Speaker 2: Leah and Tazzy. Would the feeling be similar there?
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Speaker 16: Absolutely. I think if this was introduced in Victoria or
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Speaker 16: any state, it's going to cause great concern across other
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Speaker 16: states of Australia. The people voted for respect the vote,
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Speaker 16: Respect the people and uphold that don't find backdoor ways
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Speaker 16: to introduce legislation through other states and means.
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Speaker 2: And David in the background, and there's a huge amount
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Speaker 2: of money being pulled into this. There's thirty three members
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Speaker 2: of a group that sits as an established voice already
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Speaker 2: based in the Victorian Parliament. They haven't been legislated, but
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Speaker 2: they're all being paid a million dollars each, thirty three
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Speaker 2: of them. Yes.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm more concerned about how much money is
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Speaker 1: being given out to lots of groups and how it's
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Speaker 1: actually being used, and there's not a lot of transparency
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Speaker 1: in all of that. So it is very concerning about
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Speaker 1: how all this is being set up. And I think
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Speaker 1: people are right to ask questions. You know, there's one
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Speaker 1: situation I don't know whether you've heard about the rock
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Speaker 1: climbing at amount of Rapolis, that situation there has turned
43:56
Speaker 1: into a nightmare for rock climbers that's been shut down
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Speaker 1: and they can't come to a resolution even on that
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Speaker 1: small scale. So you can imagine what might happen if
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Speaker 1: this goes statewide.
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Speaker 2: I want to look at these figures out of Victoria
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Speaker 2: Police today astonishing. I just couldn't believe it when I
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Speaker 2: saw them. I'll get you in a second about it.
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Speaker 2: Least three quarters of motoris court driving on drugs have
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Speaker 2: been smoking ice seventy five percent. Police say it shows
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Speaker 2: the extent of the use of MDMA. David, you first,
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Speaker 2: your stated policy is you want all drugs decriminalized. Won't
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Speaker 2: that make disease issue even worse?
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Speaker 1: Regardless of the legality of the substance, it's still illegal
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Speaker 1: to drive under the influence, and that's for a good reason,
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Speaker 1: because you're putting other people at risk. Now, one of
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Speaker 1: the problems that we have in Victoria is they don't
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Speaker 1: actually test for impairment. The police test whether the substance
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Speaker 1: is in your body, and in the case of cannabis,
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Speaker 1: that's a real problem because it can stay in your
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Speaker 1: body for a number of days. Victorian public parliaments taken
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Speaker 1: some action to try and deal with this because it's
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Speaker 1: a big problem for medical cannabis patients who might have
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Speaker 1: taken it a few days before and still get pinged.
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Speaker 1: We need to get better technologies that actually test for
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Speaker 1: impairment because we do need to get impaired drivers off
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Speaker 1: the road. But the current tests don't test for impairment
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Speaker 1: at all.
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Speaker 2: But just be clear, no, I want to be clear here.
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Speaker 2: Your view on drugs is that things like ice and
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Speaker 2: MDMA should be legal.
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Speaker 1: I don't think that people who have problems with drugs
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Speaker 1: should be dealt with by the courts and the police.
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Speaker 1: They should be dealt with by community groups and families instead,
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Speaker 1: because people who have problems with drugs, you only make
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Speaker 1: them worse by locking them up and sending them to prison.
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Speaker 2: Lee, I would disagree with David on that. I'm not
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Speaker 2: sure what your view is, but we've got seven hundred
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Speaker 2: drug drivers every month never taken any of these things,
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Speaker 2: most so, but I can't imagine if you're high on
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Speaker 2: DMA or ice or whatever you want to call it,
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Speaker 2: it's not going to be very safe to drive, is it.
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Speaker 16: I agree and sorry, I will have to disagree with
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Speaker 16: a comment before as a person who uses the road
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Speaker 16: and I have children in my car, the risks that
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Speaker 16: these are people are putting my family and my future
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Speaker 16: and my children. It's not good enough. One nation has
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Speaker 16: a very hard stance on drugs. Hard drugs, No thank you.
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Speaker 16: We need to reduce the usage, and yes, preventative schemes
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Speaker 16: in programs to support them, but there needs to be
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Speaker 16: a hard line. They are not only putting other road
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Speaker 16: users at danger. And I was gobsmacked by three quarters
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Speaker 16: from the statistics that you informed, but also the risk
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Speaker 16: and the danger that they're putting first responders and police,
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Speaker 16: you know, from these hard drugs. As I understand it,
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Speaker 16: if you have a predisposition to violence tendencies, it actually
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Speaker 16: heightens that as well. How does that contribute to violent
46:53
Speaker 16: to domestic violence. It's putting too many of the committee
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Speaker 16: members and police and other first responders at risk. It's
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Speaker 16: not good enough. We need to have a hard line.
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Speaker 16: The other contributing factor that you think about this is
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Speaker 16: it's too easy, it's too cheap to excess hard drugs.
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Speaker 16: You know, when I was finishing school and first got
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Speaker 16: my drinking age, we'd go out and have a night
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Speaker 16: out and you could have a few drinks relatively cheap.
47:15
Speaker 16: The cost of alcohol is ridiculous now, so what are
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Speaker 16: young people doing. They're reverting to the cheap hard drugs.
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Speaker 16: It's easily accessible and this is the result that we're seeing.
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Speaker 2: It's not good enough. David the street sweep for Sean
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Speaker 2: Turner is going to be on after me with James
47:33
Speaker 2: McPherson tonight. This is the bloke you've challenged his sacking
47:36
Speaker 2: for objecting to too many acknowledgments to countries. That is
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Speaker 2: toolbox meeting at work. I would say this blog's probably
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Speaker 2: representing the silent majority of Australians, isn't he.
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Speaker 1: Well, I think a lot of people feel the same way.
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Speaker 1: You know, these acknowledgments of country have really gotten out
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Speaker 1: of hand. I mean I've had people do it in
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Speaker 1: zoom meetings and stuff. It's sort of crazy. I give
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Speaker 1: you an interesting story though. I was chair of a
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Speaker 1: parliamentary committee and it was it was put to me at.
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Speaker 14: The start of it.
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Speaker 1: You know, the staff told me, oh, this is where
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Speaker 1: you do the acknowledgement of country. Now, I just said
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Speaker 1: I'm not going to do that too many of the
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Speaker 1: no one actually so far too many actually said I just.
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Speaker 2: Can't I can't get over the fact that we have
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Speaker 2: them every time. Lee and David, thank you very much.
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Speaker 2: James with Person's Up Next,