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Sydney Sutherland, 25, murdered, THEN RAPED; SUSPECT CLAIMS 'I WAS INSANE' THAT DAY. SYDNEY'S MOM speaks to Nancy. · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: A beautiful twenty five year old girl goes jogging, then
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  Speaker 1: she seemingly vanishes into thin air in the last hours,
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  Speaker 1: breaking news in the case of Sydney Sutherland. The man
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  Speaker 1: who becomes a person of interest claims he was insane
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  Speaker 1: that day. Really, Sydney Sutherland works at a medical center
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  Speaker 1: in Newport, Arkansas. On the afternoon of August nineteenth, she
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  Speaker 1: goes for a jog, something she does on a regular basis.
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  Speaker 1: Sidney even has a regular route that she follows near
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  Speaker 1: her home. A ups driver reports seeing Sydney during her
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  Speaker 1: jog between two thirty and three pm that afternoon, but
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  Speaker 1: that was the last time anyone reports seeing her. Later
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  Speaker 1: that evening, a call comes into authorities. Sidney Sutherland's car, keys,
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  Speaker 1: and other belongings are at her house, but Sydney is gone.
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  Speaker 1: What happened to this twenty five year old girl? Sydney
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  Speaker 1: Sutherland with me an all star panel to break it
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  Speaker 1: down and put it back together again. First of all,
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  Speaker 1: Alexis Terresto joining us Crimeline dot com investigative reporter and
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  Speaker 1: with lead Stories dot Com. Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University,
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  Speaker 1: author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon starred a
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  Speaker 1: brand Munia series Poisonous Liaisons on the True Crime Network.
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  Speaker 1: Death investigator Joseph Scott and Morgan Wendy Prosecutor Wendy Patrick,
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  Speaker 1: California prosecutor, author of Red Flags, and you can find
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  Speaker 1: her on Today with doctor Wendy on KCBQ. Doctor Karen
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  Speaker 1: Start joining us, a psychologist joining us out of Manhattan,
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  Speaker 1: and you can find her at Karen Stark dot com.
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  Speaker 1: And special guests joining me. Maggie Sutherland. This is Sydney's
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  Speaker 1: mother and you can find her at the Sydney Southerland
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  Speaker 1: Memorial Scholarship at Arkansas State University. Thank you to everyone
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  Speaker 1: being with us. Take a listen to this. Hey. We
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  Speaker 1: received call yesterday afternoon late that Sydney Southerman was missing.
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  Speaker 1: We started out and we got to scene and we've
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  Speaker 1: been working pretty much all night. We did finally break
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  Speaker 1: it down about two o'clock this morning just for safety
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  Speaker 1: concerns because of the darkness. Got started back this morning.
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  Speaker 1: Between seven thirty and eight. We've had multiple agencies show
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  Speaker 1: up and offer assistance. We've had Jonesboro PD, Truman PD,
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  Speaker 1: Newport PD, Tuckerman State Police, US Marshall's FBI pretty much
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  Speaker 1: the whole gamut, and they're currently on scene right now
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  Speaker 1: helping out with that. We're looking at not only on
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  Speaker 1: the ground, we've had air searches also from Survival Flight
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  Speaker 1: out of Baseball. They brought two helicopters over this morning.
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  Speaker 1: Our Sault State Police brought their chopper out last night
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  Speaker 1: and again this morning. They're currently flying grid and searches
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  Speaker 1: now straight out to Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville
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  Speaker 1: State University. You know, a lot of people get frustrated
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  Speaker 1: when the search does not continue through the night with
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  Speaker 1: lights and dogs. But the reality is everything searchers would
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  Speaker 1: have done in the night would have to be repeated
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  Speaker 1: the following morning. It's not feasible. And I know it's
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  Speaker 1: frustrating and upsetting to everyone when the search is called
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  Speaker 1: off for the night. Yeah, you're you're right, and it
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  Speaker 1: is frustrating, Nancy, and when you but you have to
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  Speaker 1: take in consideration what the endgame is here. You're trying
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  Speaker 1: to find someone that is missing, and you know, if
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  Speaker 1: you go out in the darkest of nights, and keep
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  Speaker 1: in mind, this is a massive agricultural area. There is
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  Speaker 1: no man made light out there. This is all illuminated
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  Speaker 1: by by natural light. If there is any at that
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  Speaker 1: particular time, you could walk right over an area and
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  Speaker 1: miss significant clue. So it's better just to kind of retreat,
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  Speaker 1: wait till daybreak and go back out again, or even
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  Speaker 1: destroy the clues, because in this case we know that
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  Speaker 1: one of the clues that was very telling was actually
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  Speaker 1: a bead, a bead of Sydney's bracelet too. Maggie Sutherland,
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  Speaker 1: this is Sydney's mother, Maggie. I'm going to get to
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  Speaker 1: the news, but I want to ask you about that
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  Speaker 1: night when the search was called off because of darkness.
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  Speaker 1: What was going through your mind when you heard the
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  Speaker 1: search was called off for the night. Well, it just
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  Speaker 1: broke my heart. But the search was called off, but
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  Speaker 1: everyone did leave, like all the people help eating everything.
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  Speaker 1: But my boys and their best friends they stayed up
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  Speaker 1: all night by their self because everyone was gone, and
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  Speaker 1: they went up and down that road. They walked up
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  Speaker 1: and down that road. They stayed up all night long,
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  Speaker 1: just trying, you know, every little place through where we
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  Speaker 1: were all searching. They stayed up all night, you know,
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  Speaker 1: but all the other people had left. You know, when
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  Speaker 1: I went through something very similar to this miss Sutherland.
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  Speaker 1: It seemed like day and night got twisted around. It
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  Speaker 1: seemed like there wasn't a day or a night because
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  Speaker 1: you're up all night and all day in your body
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  Speaker 1: doesn't seem to feel the fact that you've been up
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  Speaker 1: days on end. Yes, yes, it was non ending for
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  Speaker 1: those days. It was no sleep, just running, you know,
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  Speaker 1: looking and searching day night and now to think, to think.
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  Speaker 1: The man under suspicion says he was insane that day,
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  Speaker 1: that day of all days. Take a listen to our
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  Speaker 1: friends at the Jackson County Sheriff's Sovice. This is the sheriff,
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  Speaker 1: David Lucas, describing a brand new development in the case
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  Speaker 1: of missing Sydney Sutherland. We have the only thing we
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  Speaker 1: know of right now is we have a confirmed sighting
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  Speaker 1: of her at around between two thirty and three o'clock
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  Speaker 1: yesterday afternoon in the area of Jackson County Road forty one,
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  Speaker 1: which is just north in kind of west of her residence.
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  Speaker 1: She was on foot, out walking and jogging. We received
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  Speaker 1: that information from a UPS driver this morning that saw her.
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  Speaker 1: We're kind of concentrating on that general area because with
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  Speaker 1: the phone pings that we've been getting from a ten
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  Speaker 1: to plus the information from the people that said they
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  Speaker 1: saw her. It's pretty much going to be in that
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  Speaker 1: general area. And that's where we're concentrating the most right now.
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  Speaker 1: We're not ruling anything out, not ruling anything out. I'm
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  Speaker 1: very curious about that day to you. Wendy Patrick, California prosecutor,
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  Speaker 1: author of red Flags at Wendy Patrick PhD dot com.
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  Speaker 1: She's also the star of Today with Doctor Wendy on KCBQ. Wendy,
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  Speaker 1: I was looking at an incredible job done by Nucanan
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  Speaker 1: police in Connecticut in the case Missing Mama five Jennifer Doulos.
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  Speaker 1: They pieced together video from ring doorbells, from home security surveillance,
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  Speaker 1: from traffic light video from this one really got me.
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  Speaker 1: When a bus, a public bus, the doors opened, you
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  Speaker 1: saw video of the husband driving by at that moment,
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  Speaker 1: to a business of video at a car wash. They
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  Speaker 1: put it all together and created a video montage timeline
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  Speaker 1: leading up to my question, Doctor Wendy Patrick, and that
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  Speaker 1: is in ups trucks. Isn't there video of some sort
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  Speaker 1: or at least a navigational tool. Yeah, we hope that
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  Speaker 1: there is, and even if there is, in practicality sometimes
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  Speaker 1: they're not working, which is heartbreaking because as we know,
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  Speaker 1: it is the first few hours and sometimes few days
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  Speaker 1: that is the most significant in this kind of a search.
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  Speaker 1: And that timeline, Nancy, that you describe that tells the
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  Speaker 1: story the victim cannot and if we can weave that
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  Speaker 1: together through whatever evidence circumstantially exists, whether it's something from
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  Speaker 1: a ups truck, whether it's a track, or whether it's
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  Speaker 1: cell phone video, ring camera video that we all used nowadays,
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  Speaker 1: if we can piece that timeline together, even right at
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  Speaker 1: the beginning, not only can we hopefully recover evidence, but
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  Speaker 1: we'll be able to tell the story of what ended
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  Speaker 1: up happening. Crime stories with Nancy Grace. You know, I'm
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  Speaker 1: talking about the disappearance of Sydney Sutherland, twenty five years old,
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  Speaker 1: young girl, never been married, looking forward to life, great job,
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  Speaker 1: helping other people, looking forward to starting a family, real
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  Speaker 1: fitness buff. Let me go to Maggie Sutherland, Sydney's mother.
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  Speaker 1: That day you saw Sydney just before she went on
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  Speaker 1: that job. Correct, what happened? She had come by my
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  Speaker 1: house because she got up that morning and it went
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  Speaker 1: to the gym which is in Jones World, which is
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  Speaker 1: about thirty miles away, did a work out, come by
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  Speaker 1: my house, visit with me a few minutes, when got
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  Speaker 1: the mail come and she was then going to drop
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  Speaker 1: off something at her brothers because we just got back
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  Speaker 1: from our vacation the night before, like around nine and ten,
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  Speaker 1: so we just got back from Florida. Then she was
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  Speaker 1: going to stop at the store. She was gonna get
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  Speaker 1: something because she was gonna bake some cookies or brownies.
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  Speaker 1: She didn't know which one, So she went to the store,
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  Speaker 1: got that, she went home. She did tell me when
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  Speaker 1: she was at my house she's going to run, and
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  Speaker 1: I said to me, well, how can you run? You know,
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  Speaker 1: you just worked out, you know, just relaxed. Well at
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  Speaker 1: the house she did. She went in, changed her clothes
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  Speaker 1: because she wears different clothes because it's the county road,
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  Speaker 1: thirt and everything. And on the couch right at the
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  Speaker 1: edge is laying her bags where she bought the cookies
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  Speaker 1: and the brownies to make. And she just went and
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  Speaker 1: that was the I didn't here from her anymore. She
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  Speaker 1: got in such with her boyfriend saying I'm born for
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  Speaker 1: my run. Guys, take it to listen. Take us to
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  Speaker 1: our friend hunter Hoglan Kate a RK with a break
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  Speaker 1: that day, they recovered Sutherland's phone about a quarter mile
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  Speaker 1: from her home earlier today. Now, I talked to friends
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  Speaker 1: at the family who say this whole thing has them
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  Speaker 1: searching for answers as the sun sets. The clock is ticket,
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  Speaker 1: We'll never stop searching. No one has seenor heard from
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  Speaker 1: Sydney Sutherland in more than a day after she went
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  Speaker 1: running down this road, leaving behind Paine at the crossroads.
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  Speaker 1: Were just really from eyes in the sky to eyes
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  Speaker 1: on the ground, Felicia Drake is searching for the girls
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  Speaker 1: she watched grow up. It was just devastiming. I just
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  Speaker 1: thought about her mother and how, you know, how she felt,
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  Speaker 1: and how it would be all home, you know, not
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  Speaker 1: to be able to find your daughter. Everybody obviously everybody
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  Speaker 1: loves her. I mean you can tell about all the
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  Speaker 1: people that's outlooking for her. Sutherland five three, brown eyes,
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  Speaker 1: blonde hair, was wearing this when she vanished in the
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  Speaker 1: middle of the afternoon. You're definitely gonna be looking over
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  Speaker 1: your shoulder everywhere you go and not going anywhere alone anymore.
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  Speaker 1: Volunteers working around the clock saying they'll never quit looking
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  Speaker 1: until Sydney Sutherland finds the road that leads back home.
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  Speaker 1: We're just more founder and then the case takes a turn.
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  Speaker 1: Take a listen to Katie wood All Kai Region eight,
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  Speaker 1: those close to Sydney confirming just a few minutes ago
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  Speaker 1: that the body discovered today was hers. This is coming
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  Speaker 1: from Sydney's boyfriend's parents. They said the family was told
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  Speaker 1: the body discovered today was Sydney's. They also said an
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  Speaker 1: arrest has been made in this case. Now. We are
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  Speaker 1: working to get official confirmation from Sheriff David Lucas, but
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  Speaker 1: he has not released new information since this afternoon when
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  Speaker 1: that body was discovered and an arrest did go down.
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  Speaker 1: Take a listen to Miss McCoy Fox sixteen Quick. Llewellyn
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  Speaker 1: apparently confessed to investigators that he had killed her and
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  Speaker 1: then led investigators to her body. Llewellyn was driving on
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  Speaker 1: County Road forty one, saw Sydney Sutherland walking and drove by.
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  Speaker 1: Investigators say he turned around, abducted her, and put her
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  Speaker 1: in the back of a pickup truck, and sexually assaulted her.
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  Speaker 1: State Police saying that Llewellen then buried the body on
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  Speaker 1: a farm. I asked the prosecutors if he plans on
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  Speaker 1: pursuing the death penalty. I think it's premature to declare
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  Speaker 1: what the state's direction will be on that capital murder
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  Speaker 1: only carries two punishments, that's life without and death, and
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  Speaker 1: at this point both are still on the table. Both
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  Speaker 1: still on the table. Now, let me understand this. To
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  Speaker 1: Elosi's terrest, Chuck Crimeline dot Com investigative reporter alysis, thank
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  Speaker 1: you for being with us. He confessed, right, he confessed,
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  Speaker 1: He sure did. He actually turned himself into the police.
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  Speaker 1: He went originally to say that he maybe had some information,
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  Speaker 1: and then he confessed to the whole crime. His story
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  Speaker 1: changed a little bit, you know, as the reporter just said.
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  Speaker 1: He said he put her in his truck and took
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  Speaker 1: her away. But then he changed his story too. He
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  Speaker 1: drove by her, then he turned back around and was
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  Speaker 1: going to maybe check on her, but oops, he hit
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  Speaker 1: her with his car. Not true, he plowed over her
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  Speaker 1: with his car. Why in the world. To Sydney's mother,
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  Speaker 1: Maggie Sutherland, when I passed a jogger, I don't turn
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  Speaker 1: around to go check on them. And then to say,
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  Speaker 1: and I've been on many I grew up on a
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  Speaker 1: red dirt road I've been on many a gravel road
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  Speaker 1: and dirt road and dusty road, but for me turning
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  Speaker 1: my car around and going back the other way, I've
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  Speaker 1: never seen the dust so thick. I couldn't see someone.
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  Speaker 1: Never happened. And he's actually changing a story to say
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  Speaker 1: when he turned around, it kicked up the dust, he
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  Speaker 1: didn't see her and ran over her. Yes, he has
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  Speaker 1: changed it. But where this area is is an overpass
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  Speaker 1: and it has pavement that comes off of it, and
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  Speaker 1: where he was at there was no dust. So when
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  Speaker 1: he passed her, he hits the pavement, went over over past,
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  Speaker 1: stayed ow of pavement, turned around, and he says he
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  Speaker 1: came back and that the dust was in his eyes
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  Speaker 1: and that he heard a thump. He gets out of
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  Speaker 1: his truck and says said, neere, you're okay, and he
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  Speaker 1: said she didn't respond, so we put him back the truck.
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  Speaker 1: It's not true because it is all pavement and there's
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  Speaker 1: a very questionable of what he's saying there. Miss Southerland.
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  Speaker 1: I know that it hurts you when he comes out
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  Speaker 1: with one story after the next after the next, but
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  Speaker 1: just trust me on this. He needs to keep talking
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  Speaker 1: because I could just see the prosecutor at trial with
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  Speaker 1: a video of this paved road showing it to him
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  Speaker 1: as he's on the stand. If he dares to take
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  Speaker 1: this stand and say, now, what where was the dust
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  Speaker 1: they got stirred up when you turned your truck around,
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  Speaker 1: Because this is all pavement, and you never know with
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  Speaker 1: a jury what little fact is going to infuriate them,
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  Speaker 1: just the way that we are feeling today. So every
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  Speaker 1: time he comes out with another state, but just thank
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  Speaker 1: god that he is still talking if his lawyer can't
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  Speaker 1: shut him up. And of course we are learning in
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  Speaker 1: the last hours a major break with the guy the
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  Speaker 1: target in this case, Quake Llewellen, a twenty eight year
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  Speaker 1: old neighbor. Isn't this right, Miss Sutherland? They came to
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  Speaker 1: the search headquarters and actually hugged Sidney's family as if
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  Speaker 1: he were supporting them during the search, when all along
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  Speaker 1: he is the one that ran her over dead. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: he was there, his whole family was out there the
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  Speaker 1: whole time. What is that, Karen start Karen Stark psychologists
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  Speaker 1: joining me out of man Hattan today. Why not just
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  Speaker 1: go home and lay low, just go away? Why does
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  Speaker 1: he have to go to the Search HQ and go
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  Speaker 1: up and hug on Sydney's family, knowing full well not
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  Speaker 1: only did he kill her, he raped her after he
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  Speaker 1: ran over her and supposedly he said, well are you okay, Sydney,
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  Speaker 1: But he didn't call an ambulance or the police to
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  Speaker 1: put her into his truck. So, Nancy, that is my
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  Speaker 1: unusual behavior. It's wanting to be involved in the discovery
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  Speaker 1: on getting some kind of thrill by actually being there,
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  Speaker 1: knowing that he committed the crime and pretending that he's
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  Speaker 1: going to be helping the family, even after he gives
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  Speaker 1: a confession, further torturing the family. Take a listen to
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  Speaker 1: our cut nineteen. This is from th eleven. The man
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  Speaker 1: accused of killing Sydney Sutherland pleaded not guilty today. Quake
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  Speaker 1: Lwelyn faces several charges including capital murder, kidnapping, and rape.
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  Speaker 1: Lwhelen also asked for a Jewey trial. During today's hearing
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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, Guys, we are talking about
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  Speaker 1: the disappearance and death and sex assault of a beautiful
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  Speaker 1: young twenty five year old girl, her life in front
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  Speaker 1: of her wonderful job helping other people, a real fitness
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  Speaker 1: buff looking forward to starting her own family, someday, all
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  Speaker 1: those dreams mowed down by a guy, a neighbor who
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  Speaker 1: I believe had some sort of obsession on her throughout
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  Speaker 1: high school, mows her down, loads her into his truck,
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  Speaker 1: by his own admission, takes off her shorts, and rapes
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  Speaker 1: twenty five year old Sydney as she is in an
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  Speaker 1: altar state from being run over or dead. Then goes
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  Speaker 1: in buries her body and a shallow grave. Then, to
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  Speaker 1: add insult to injury, declares he is insane straight out
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  Speaker 1: to Alexis terres Chuck, everything he did was calculated and planned.
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  Speaker 1: When he rode by her in his truck, he stopped
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  Speaker 1: and turned around and went back after her. That was planned.
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  Speaker 1: How could he say he's mentally insane? Exactly? And that's
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  Speaker 1: the same as what his attorney, his defense attorney's come
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  Speaker 1: on with. But what he also said at the time
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  Speaker 1: was is that he put her body in the flatbed
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  Speaker 1: of the truck so nobody could see it. That is
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  Speaker 1: not somebody who's insane. That's somebody who is scared and
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  Speaker 1: knows that they have done the wrong thing. He then
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  Speaker 1: took her body away, you know, to a deserted area,
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  Speaker 1: which he knows that area, because what he does is
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  Speaker 1: he checks on the wells and the rice fields out there,
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  Speaker 1: so he's familiar with this area. This isn't some of
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  Speaker 1: them I got panick. Oh, No, I don't know where
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  Speaker 1: I am. Oh, he knows the area, He knows where
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  Speaker 1: people wouldn't be able to find her. Takes her almost
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  Speaker 1: three miles away, which is I mean three miles is
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  Speaker 1: really far you think, Oh, Sidney probably ran twenty miles
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  Speaker 1: a day because she was so fit. But it's really
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  Speaker 1: far away for somebody to take somebody. So then so
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  Speaker 1: he's hiding it. And he doesn't just leave her body
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  Speaker 1: on the ground where somebody could find it, you know,
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  Speaker 1: and help her. At the last minute, he buries it
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  Speaker 1: with a shovel he has in his trunk. Is this
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  Speaker 1: is not somebody who I happen to have right in
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  Speaker 1: front of me. The Criminal Responsibility Evaluation report, and I
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  Speaker 1: am quoting from the doctor, doctor Lacy C. Willet. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: And this is what the doctor says, mister mister Llewellen
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  Speaker 1: referred for an evaluation specifically by reason of mental disease
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  Speaker 1: or mental defect like capacity to appreciate the criminality of
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  Speaker 1: his conduct or conform his conduct to the requirements of
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: the law at the time of the offense. What what
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: to you, Maggie Starthollon. This is Sydney's mother joining us.
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: He couldn't appreciate the criminality of his offense when he
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: drove by your daughter, went back, ran over her, loaded
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: her into a truck bed, took her to a secretive location,
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: pulled her, closed down, raped her and buried her body.
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: He hid her. He knew it was wrong. What was
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: your reaction when you heard Quake Llewellen was claiming he
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: was crazy that day, of all days, I knew all
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: alone that he was not. He was not, never was,
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: and that he was being advised to say that because
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: there was no way it. You know, as we just
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: said everything, he knew what he was doing. He certainly
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: did know what he was doing. Have you heard from
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: his family at all during this And no, we have
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: not spoke any with their family. You know, we've kind
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: of been advised just to stay away from each other. Well,
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: you know what, they don't have to say anything because
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: they said it all straight out to you. Alexis Terrestchuck
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: Crime online dot Com investigative reporter. When the wife and
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: the mother were part of the call to police to
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: tell them that his truck looked different after Sydney went missing.
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: Remember that alexis Yes, these two the women closest to him,
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: his wife and his mom, they reported him. They knew
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: that something up and they saw, you know, and he
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: actually said that he tried to forget what he had done.
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: He just went about his life. He went home, took
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: a shower, he had dinner, he went to work for
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: the next day. But the mom and the wife knew.
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: They called the police. They said, this, there's something odd
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: with the truck. It looks different. We don't know what
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: could have happened. And how could you know? Why would
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: you think, oh, he hit a person like you wouldn't
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: A normal person wouldn't think that. But they knew that
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: something was wrong and they reported him, and his wife
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: has since filed for divorce. Well, I guess to get
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: away from him and Jose's goot Morgan pursuant to Llewellen's
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: wife and mom being part of learning to police that
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: his vehicle was there. What was found on the vehicle
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: and why is that so significant? Joe Scott Morgan, Well,
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: there's front end damage to the vehicle, Nancy, and you know,
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: my apologies in advanced Sydney's Mama, she's on the line,
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: But I've got to say this. One of the things
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: that we do in the context of examinations, uh, in
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: the morgue is uh, you know, we we look for
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: specific things. And one of the things we look for
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: or what are referred to as bumper marks, and those
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: are marks that are left behind on the remains that
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: give you an indication that a strike has taken place,
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: like a blunt force trauma that is very unique looking
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: when it occurs as a result of a vehicle, and
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: we can actually measure that relative to save, for instance,
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: what referred to as bumper height on the vehicle, if
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: we can come up with a vehicle where it marries
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: up and you knows, as you know, as investigations work,
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: you whittle this information down. And when you come to
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: his truck and you notice that it's damaged, that's that's
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: a nail in his coffin from a from a prospratorial
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: Stan Crime Stories with Nancy Grace Wendy Patrick. I see
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: the questions the doctor is asking him. She's asking were
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: you on any drugs or alcohol? Were you on any medication,
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: trying to rule out that his reasoning was clouded in
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: any way. Wendy Patrick, that's right. When you're looking at
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: somebody that is apparently sober, it makes a big difference
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: if you're looking at strategy and sophistication. So when somebody
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: admits to criminal conduct as here, the criminal responsibility is
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: going to be an issue. Is there some sort of
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: an insanity defense? Can you argue that there is some
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: kind of a mental disease or defect. But when you
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: do that in a case like this, you're looking at
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: literally both the crime and the cover up. And when
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: somebody is not impacted by its substances, by altered states
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: of consciousness, all the kinds of things that psychologists and
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: psychiatrists look for, then you are left with somebody that
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: has the mens rea the intent, as we say, the
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: intent that will be married up with the actual conduct
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: in a case like this. To Maggie Sutherland, this is
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: Sydney's mother, and you can find her at the Sydney
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: Sutherland Memorial Scholarship at Arkansas State University. If you go
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: to crime online dot com. We have a link there
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: if you want to donate in honor of Sydney Sutherland.
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: When you first learned this guy that you've been aware,
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: I've kind of known your whole life, claimed he was crazy.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: The one day he murders your daughter, What went through
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: your mind? I was very mad, sad, hurt, everything, But
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: I knew but just because you could deal is kind
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: of premeditated when someone turns around and goes back. It
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: just to this day gives me chills to even think
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: what he did to mother, because it was just very cruel,
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: evil things. You know, he just didn't do one thing,
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: he just everything, And it will never be out of
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: my mind. Hurts deeply. Who told you that he basically
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: failed in his bid to claim he was crazy at
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: the time. Who told you that it didn't work, that
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: the doctor could see through it. I was just told
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: at the house. They brought me back to the house
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: and then they kind of had a family group there
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: and just told us what they had found and what
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: at that point was being said. You know what, they
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: would have to do a little more investigating. But no,
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: I mean when you found out he was claiming he
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: was crazy, and then you how did you find out
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: he was claiming insanity? Our prosecutors contacted us saying that
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: they were wanting to have a state evol okay, and
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: who told you that? Basically he flunked from the report
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: and our persecutors, so they called you and told you, yes, yes,
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: we just got it. It's really new. We just got it. Yes, yes,
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: I have read every single word to you. Psychologists, care
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: and start joining us out of Manhattan. The doctor that
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: did this forensic exam of his insanity at the Arkansas
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: State Hospital discusses how Llewellen engaged in a number of purposeful,
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: gold directed behaviors all the day of the offense, that
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: he checked wells that morning, ate lunch, then resumed checking
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: wells after the murder. He continued checking wells until about
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: six pm, then had dinner with his family, indicating he
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: was capable of acting in a purposeful manner at that
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: time and based on all the information, She says, Llewellen
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: was clearly saying, what do you make of it? Well,
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: it makes perfect sense. Think about it, Nancy. I mean,
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: the whole point is, did he lack the capacity to
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: appreciate the criminality of his conduct? In other words, did
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: he know the difference between right and wrong? Did he
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: understand that his actions were not okay that he was
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: going to get in trouble, and he did. He even
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: said that he put her in the tail part of
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: his truck to tell you because he was worried that
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: he would be in trouble. He didn't want to get
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: in trouble. You know, another thing strikes me care and Stark.
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: We've covered a lot of cases like this, for after
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: a brutal murder, the goes out to dinner. I've seen
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: so many big macs and double cheese burgers at Burger
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: King ordered after a murderer. I don't get how can
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: you sit down with your family in this case and
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: eat dinner when you know this girl's body is out
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: there in a shallow grave and her parents and her
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: fiancee are wondering where is Sydney and you're sitting there
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: having meat loaf and mashed potatoes. Are you kidding me?
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: That's why he's not telling the truth when he says
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: that he tried to make himself to get about it.
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: The truth, Nancy, is that he's a psychopath, so he
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: doesn't have a conscience. He doesn't really think about, Oh,
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: you know, this is terrible. How can I live with myself? No?
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: He could eat dinner, he could have big Max, he
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: could take a shower and act with his family like
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: everything is okay, because for him everything is okay. It's
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: the same as if he hid an animal in the road,
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: something that might upset all of us. No stage, Yes, guys,
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: take a listen to Amanda Hanson Kai Region eight. James says,
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: stress or a certain life event could play a part,
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: and in any case, it's important to have a professional
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: make those determinations. Under the Archosaur law, you don't particularly
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: have to have a be crazy or not know what
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: you're doing, or not able to control yourself to still
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: be able to use mental health evidence if it's appropriate
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: to your mental state and what happened, well inness that
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: to appear in front of a judge and jury February sixteenth,
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: James says, this motion will probably push that back. We're
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: learning in documents. Just release the psychologist. Lacy Willett says
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: lew And Llewellen did not manifest any symptoms of a
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: mental disease or defect, no history of mental health treatment,
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: no medication of any kind, no mention of any bizarre
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: speech or conduct during his interview. He's facing multiple charges
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: of capital murder, kidnap, and rape. Take a listen to
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: our friends at crime online dot com. Our Cut thirty two,
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: the married stepfather of three, says he believed Sutherland was
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: dead after hitting her with his truck. He told a
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: state psychologists that he was scared and afraid he would
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: be in trouble for running over the nerves. Instead of
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: calling nine one for help, he put her body in
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: the tailgate of his truck. He intended to hide the body.
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: He admitted that after he killed Sutherland, he tried messing
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: with her corpse, then went home a dinner and just
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: tried to forget about it. Quote messing with her corpse,
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: Now you know what A lot of people just got.
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: Morgan would consider that crazy in itself, that he would
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: dish robe and rape her body. The only silver line
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: running to that is that I hope she was unconscious
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: at the time and did not realize what was happening.
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: I imagine that she was because of the injury she
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: sustained when she was run over. But his behavior belies
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: the street idea of the lay person's idea of crazy.
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: Crazy is not knowing right from wrong at the time
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: of the incident. When a jury. Here's that They're not
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: gonna think he's crazy. They're gonna think he needs to
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: death the death penalty. Yeah, they're gonna think he's depraved
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: and totally depraved. And and to take it even further,
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: he has a complete absence of compassion at all, not
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: one sintilla. And you know, back to what Karen had
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: said just a moment ago, this guy is not He's
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: not nuts, you know, he's not. He's calculating. He is
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: a sociopath. He has no feeling whatsoever. And let me
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: if you like that one, let me tell you another one.
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: I think that he had actually planned this. This is
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: an isolated area and Nancy, I think that he had
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: been watching as poor lady for a long long time.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: He knew what her patterns were, he knew when she
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: was coming, when she was going, and he took this
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: opportunity to prey on her, and he hunted her. That's
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: what I believe based upon his behaviors. And when he
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: went to that you know, when he got together and
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: he was hugging on people and telling everybody, you know,
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: how sorry he was. He was there for the sole
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: purpose to find out if he was going to get
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: in trouble. He wanted more information because I think, based
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: upon what we know relative to what he had done
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: with poor Sydney's remains, I think if he had gotten
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: one bit of information, he would have gone back out
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: there and probably manipulated there even further or moved her again.
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: He was seeking information, He just wanted to be free
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: of it, to escape it and not pay the ultimate price,
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: which I think in this case he's going to Miss Sutherland,
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: Sydney's mother with us. Miss Sutherland, I'm sure the prosecutor
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: has told this, told you this, but let me tell you,
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: there are going to be many, many in defense maneuverings
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: that will just break your heart because they're not true.
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: They are absolutely not true. We're based in fact. It's
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: all twisting and turning to try to get him a
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: good deal. So please like this claim of insanity. It
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: would have driven me crazy if I had been in
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: your shoes knowing that it was a lie. But there's
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: going to be this and much more before we get justice,
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: Miss Sutherland. So you just got to be strong, Thank
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: you very much, And absolutely that is how I feel daily.
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: Every day is a day by day situation of dealing
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: with the Law of Sydney. We're our whole family. As
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: you walk this lonely path that you have to walk alone,
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: other people will try to comfort you, make you feel better,
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: but you are walking and alone, as is your husband,
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: as is each person in your family her boyfriend. Please
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: know our prayers are with you, and I truly believe
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: the justice system will get justice for you in Sydney.
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: Really do. Thank you for being with us. Thank you,
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: Thank you so very much. Nancy Grace Crime Story signing off,
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: goodbye friend,