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Taylor Frankie Paul Says It’s The End Of The World · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast
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Speaker 1: with iHeartRadio.
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Speaker 2: It's the Almost Famous podcast, and we are continuing to
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Speaker 2: be your place to go to to get all the
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Speaker 2: breaking news on your upcoming Bachelor Atte Taylor Frankie Paul.
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Speaker 2: As we get closer and closer to her season premiering
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Speaker 2: this weekend, we do have some things we want to
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Speaker 2: discuss we need to discuss. This morning, Taylor made an
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Speaker 2: appearance on Good Morning America after attending a media dinner
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Speaker 2: last night. We're going to cover her GMA segment from
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Speaker 2: this morning. But first off, what were you expecting when
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Speaker 2: she announced that they were going to air a segment
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Speaker 2: with her on GMA? And what did you think of
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Speaker 2: her segment once you saw it? Please leave your comments below.
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Speaker 2: We had a big day yesterday, Heather. You were on
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Speaker 2: air all day and also on the computer and the
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Speaker 2: cell phone, finding every headline and every source we could
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Speaker 2: to try to piece together what exactly is happening in
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Speaker 2: this in this moment and what exactly this news of
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Speaker 2: the cameras shutting down on secret lives and Mormon wives means.
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Speaker 2: There's a lot of allegations out there. I can't say
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Speaker 2: that we have a lot of clarity, and Heather, let's
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Speaker 2: start by saying GMA gave me less clarity.
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Speaker 3: I would have to agree with that. I was actually
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Speaker 3: not expecting a segment. I was expecting a sit down interview.
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Speaker 3: I was expecting, like teasing, probably all morning we'll be
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Speaker 3: having the exclusive with Taylor, Frankie, Paul Blink and you
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Speaker 3: miss it. That was real, real quick to get her
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Speaker 3: in and out.
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Speaker 2: I'm trying to make sense of all of this. Domestic
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Speaker 2: violence is obviously a massive issue. It is, it is
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Speaker 2: a massive problem, but these are still we don't even
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Speaker 2: know exactly the details of what happened, Like we don't
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Speaker 2: know anything. So we're piecing together from sources and again
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Speaker 2: we're bringing in allegations that are have yet to be
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Speaker 2: proven true. But yet something's happened. That's obvious because she
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Speaker 2: went on GMA. So that happened, and the cameras shut
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Speaker 2: down at Secret Lives of Mormon lives, so we're basing
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Speaker 2: everything off of that. This GMA segment felt, I mean,
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Speaker 2: one what they do flyer in yesterday say hey, tomorrow
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Speaker 2: you're gonna jump on air, and it was I would say,
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Speaker 2: like pointless to me. It just didn't mean anything.
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Speaker 3: She seemed unprepared to me, is that how you felt
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Speaker 3: watching it?
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Speaker 2: Unprepared and probably told it seemed like she was told, hey,
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Speaker 2: don't really say anything, speak about your emotion. So she says,
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Speaker 2: it's a heavy time. I can't disagree with that, but
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Speaker 2: there was no like digging into the details. There was
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Speaker 2: a lot of kind of umbrella speak, as I would
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Speaker 2: call it, just glazing over things.
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Speaker 3: And it makes sense you call it umbrella speak. I
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Speaker 3: call it word salad.
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Speaker 2: Word salad. And again, no matter what happened here, I
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Speaker 2: get that, But why have her on if you know
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Speaker 2: that's going to be the outcome?
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Speaker 3: I agree, I was expecting more. I was expecting also
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Speaker 3: maybe some sign of emotion, something a little choked up,
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Speaker 3: maybe a little bit of a tear, and we didn't
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Speaker 3: get that either. She seemed perplexed by the first couple
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Speaker 3: of questions, and basically Laura Spencer starts by giving her
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Speaker 3: the opportunity to speak about the domestic violence headlines, which
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Speaker 3: I had a feeling she wasn't going to say much
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Speaker 3: in regards to that.
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Speaker 2: Well, nor should she, because right it's still I don't
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Speaker 2: even know if it's under investigation.
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Speaker 3: It's it's ongoing.
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Speaker 2: It's ongoing, so there's a very little she could say
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Speaker 2: in general. She didn't make this comment. Heather and I
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Speaker 2: want to dig into it a little bit. On the
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Speaker 2: Vile Files, they had two guests on about nine months ago.
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Speaker 2: They've reshared this, and the guests claim that Dakota sabotages
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Speaker 2: these big moments for Taylor. Yes, we don't know if
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Speaker 2: that's true or not, but this is what the two
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Speaker 2: guests on the Vile Files was sharing. And then Taylor
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Speaker 2: Yes or today and her interview shared that it's unfortunate
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Speaker 2: that this premiere something exciting for her now is kind
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Speaker 2: of a heavy time. It kind of feels like if
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Speaker 2: you read through the lines, those three Taylor and the
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Speaker 2: two guests and the Vile Files are trying to say
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Speaker 2: something without actually saying it.
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Speaker 3: I would say that there could be truth to that,
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Speaker 3: but I have to keep going back to the fact
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Speaker 3: that this happened three weeks ago.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's not right.
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Speaker 3: It happened two days ago, right before your premiere. It
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Speaker 3: happened three weeks ago. Whatever this situation was, and it's
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Speaker 3: been being kept under wraps. Now is that close to
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Speaker 3: your premiere and has the chance to ruin your premiere. Absolutely,
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Speaker 3: but it doesn't feel It feels like when somebody says
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Speaker 3: that that it's coming across as like they're doing this
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Speaker 3: because of my premiere. Again, we don't know. We don't
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Speaker 3: know what the inner workings of her relationship is with
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Speaker 3: Dakota and if this is calculated, but we do know
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Speaker 3: that the cops were called like that, there's proof of that.
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Speaker 5: Hey, guys, jumping in here, so sorry, my phone was
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Speaker 5: on silent and I lost track of time. I was
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Speaker 5: just thinking, you know, I was just like in deep
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Speaker 5: thought and I lost track of time about this interview
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Speaker 5: because I found it to be the strangeous thing. I'm
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Speaker 5: assuming you guys have already approached that.
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Speaker 3: We said a whole lot of nothing was said up top,
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Speaker 3: and word salad is what I used, and said umbrella
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Speaker 3: something umbrella is that like, a whole lot of mess
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Speaker 3: is what we meant. Okay, but I'm interested to hear
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Speaker 3: what you think Ashley about. You know, let's jump into
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Speaker 3: the part where, uh, they said that they reached out
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Speaker 3: to Dakota for a response. The look on her face
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Speaker 3: was extremely shocked when they said.
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Speaker 5: That, this is obviously one of those interviews where it's
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Speaker 5: within the network, it was set up or ren This
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Speaker 5: is like a pr move. This isn't like going to
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Speaker 5: be some sort of you know, political type of interview.
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Speaker 5: Like she should be knowing exactly what's coming at her.
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Speaker 5: She didn't know that was coming at her. Laura just
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Speaker 5: threw that at her.
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Speaker 3: She felt very ill prepared for this. Just the look
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Speaker 3: on her face and how she was searching for answers
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Speaker 3: as she was speaking. That's what I think when you
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Speaker 3: know it's a word solid is when somebody's talking, talking, talking,
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Speaker 3: hoping that the answer will find them as they're speaking.
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Speaker 3: That's what I think we were experiencing as viewers today.
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Speaker 5: But Okay, so the question is how did this the
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Speaker 5: inner workings at ABC network together here to prepare her
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Speaker 5: for this interview. Don't you feel like it was almost
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Speaker 5: like Good Morning America wanted to catch her in awkwardness.
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Speaker 3: I think they were soft, just in general, I thought
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Speaker 3: that they were soft. I would love to hear from
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Speaker 3: Ben as a lead as to the amount of media
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Speaker 3: training that the lead typically goes through, because I'm going
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Speaker 3: to take a gander here and say that she's not
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Speaker 3: even gone through a fraction of that.
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Speaker 2: The media training was light to say, say it nicely.
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Speaker 2: I mean there was some helpful things. They would ask
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Speaker 2: you the most intense questions in a group of people
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Speaker 2: and give you no reaction and just kind of kind
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Speaker 2: of criticize your responses. There was also moments where I
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Speaker 2: felt like they didn't want you prepared, and I honestly
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Speaker 2: kind of enjoyed those more. You know, when it came
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Speaker 2: down to like finale for me, they didn't want me prepared.
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Speaker 2: They want me they wanted me thrown off. They wanted
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Speaker 2: me to have to respond. Just from a a fan perspective,
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Speaker 2: I want her authentic in her response. I don't want
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Speaker 2: her prepared. I don't want her to be coached up
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Speaker 2: on what to say and not to say. If these
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Speaker 2: allegations are true, no matter what happens with the show,
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Speaker 2: I want to know what she thinks about it, what
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Speaker 2: she feels about it, what she is doing about it,
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Speaker 2: what she thinks about you know, the relationship with Dakota.
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Speaker 2: She said even in this interview that there was a
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Speaker 2: toxicity in Utah. I'm assuming when she says that that
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Speaker 2: that means not only kind of a peer group, but
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Speaker 2: also a past relationship that continues to bring out something
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Speaker 2: negative in her. Even if they're there is an attraction
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Speaker 2: there and a connection there, it doesn't bring out the
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Speaker 2: best of her. I want to hear what she says
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Speaker 2: about that. I think this interview, I don't know. I'm
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Speaker 2: not a PR expert. I think they were going to
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Speaker 2: get criticized either way. But I do think it goes
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Speaker 2: better for everybody if we watch it and say, yes, Okay,
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Speaker 2: I might not agree, but at least I know where
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Speaker 2: you're at. I watched this and I said, I have
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Speaker 2: less of an idea of where.
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Speaker 3: She's at as somebody watched her for multiple seasons. This
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Speaker 3: was not authentic Taylor.
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Speaker 5: She was trying to be very careful, which she's usually
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Speaker 5: not trying to be careful. Now when I'm watching this,
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Speaker 5: I think, oh, wow, she seems very guilty because she's
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Speaker 5: not denying it. But then my thought is, oh, is
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Speaker 5: this a legality thing? She literally can say anything.
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Speaker 3: She for sure can't say anything because if this moves forward, right,
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Speaker 3: anything that she has said in the press will be
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Speaker 3: used against her. So if this ends up moving forward
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Speaker 3: into something more serious than what we know, So of
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Speaker 3: course I didn't expect her to say details about that.
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Speaker 3: I think for me, I was expecting emotion. I was
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Speaker 3: expecting I'm a flawed person. I'm still learning Bachelor Nation.
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Speaker 3: Please give me a chance. Like that's the kind of
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Speaker 3: stuff I was expecting to hear today.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I feel like she's just trying to tiptoe the
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Speaker 5: line of like she doesn't want to sound guilty, so
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Speaker 5: she doesn't want to show too much emotion.
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Speaker 2: A few key points from this interview that sit out.
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Speaker 2: Taylor did have a few quotes. I want to just
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Speaker 2: kind of give through the the topics if you didn't
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Speaker 2: get to watch it. Taylor's quoted by saying, I'm a
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Speaker 2: person that will always speak my truth, and that's what
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Speaker 2: I'm known for. And she says she'll do that when
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Speaker 2: the time is right. That makes sense based on everything
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Speaker 2: we're saying. Lara Spencer, who conducted the interview, said that
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Speaker 2: they reached out to Dakota but did not get a
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Speaker 2: response from him. I'm not shocked. The final really standout
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Speaker 2: quote Taylor responds to one of Lara's questions about what
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Speaker 2: she envisions for the future of the show, and she said,
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Speaker 2: it's hard to say now, just because you know everything
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Speaker 2: going on. It's hard to see past this. I'm not
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Speaker 2: gonna lie in this moment. It's just so heavy when
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Speaker 2: your life is broadcasted out there in these headlines. It's
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Speaker 2: like the end of the world. I thought that was,
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Speaker 2: for me, the most genuine moment of this interview. I'm
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Speaker 2: not saying Taylor's not genuine. If there's one word to describe,
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Speaker 2: if there's multiple ways to describe Taylor Franky Paul, but
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Speaker 2: one of them is genuine. I mean, it might not
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Speaker 2: always be a genuine this. You're like, yeah, that's what
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Speaker 2: I would say and do. But she's always been very
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Speaker 2: vulnerable to her fans, to the show. She's put her
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Speaker 2: life out there. So her saying in this moment it
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Speaker 2: feels like the end of the world goes back to
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Speaker 2: our conversation yesterday was yeah, I'm not shocked that it
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Speaker 2: is I and honestly I feel for you in that,
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Speaker 2: But yet you did an interview this morning, and you
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Speaker 2: did a press dinner last night, Like it's just making
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Speaker 2: things worse, Like if it feels like the end of
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Speaker 2: the world, and yet you're getting thrown out there to
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Speaker 2: the Oscars and a press dinner and then on GMA
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Speaker 2: the next day. Every day is going to have a
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Speaker 2: reminder of what bad is happening, which leaves no time
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Speaker 2: for the healing or the reflection or the deep breast
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Speaker 2: to say, wow, like things have gotten out of control
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Speaker 2: for me. No, you're so busy, you're flying across country
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Speaker 2: every day.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, those are really good points. Really have to worry
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Speaker 5: about our mental health right now. It's like kind of scary.
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Speaker 5: She says, it's the end of the world.
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Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm having a hard time processing obviously.
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Speaker 2: Here we've broken down Taylor Frankie Paul every Friday. And
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Speaker 2: I said it last Frankie Friday. I said, I'm really
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Speaker 2: starting to understand why Taylor Frankie Paul is the lead
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Speaker 2: of the show. Like, I'm starting to see that picture.
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Speaker 2: She's she's vulnerable, she speaks her mind, she is not
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Speaker 2: afraid to share what she's thinking any given moment. She's
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Speaker 2: a leader. I still agree with all those things. I'm
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Speaker 2: not backtracking on that statement. I started to see it,
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Speaker 2: but I'm also now seeing another side where I'm like,
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Speaker 2: was she is this good for.
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Speaker 3: No, it's I think we're all in agreement. It's not
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Speaker 3: right now. She really needs I think some serious help
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Speaker 3: beyond whatever she's been doing. I believe she has been
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Speaker 3: doing therapy and she's been open, but I think she
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Speaker 3: needs something more intensive, Like this is too much pressure,
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Speaker 3: and you've said it so many times, Ben, She's crying
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Speaker 3: for help, and I'm concerned that nobody's listening around her.
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Speaker 2: It feels like she's on Instagram being like, hey, I
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Speaker 2: need a break, and the show is saying, hey, come
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Speaker 2: to this next event.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, this was too much for really, like any person
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Speaker 5: to take on. How are you supposed to have two shows.
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Speaker 2: Two shows, three kids?
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Speaker 4: Three kids?
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Speaker 3: And I think, guys that she might have been filming
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Speaker 3: both at the same time for a period of time,
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Speaker 3: because in this recent season of Secret Lives, the girls
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Speaker 3: that were doing Dancing with the Stars, they still made
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Speaker 3: them film Secret Lives at the same time. Yeah, I
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Speaker 3: think she was having to do this Bachelorette and Secret
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Speaker 3: Lives at the same time. She's just had no breaks.
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Speaker 2: But here's the other side of this. And I don't
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Speaker 2: mean this to like keep us safe. I just mean it.
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Speaker 2: It still does. I mean there's it's still allegations. It
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Speaker 2: still doesn't excuse domestic violence, of course, of course, but
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Speaker 2: again we don't know the details yet enough to make
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Speaker 2: a strong statement on that. But just because you're tired
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Speaker 2: and just because you're busy does not excuse the actions
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Speaker 2: and behaviors that would lead to what allegedly is a
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Speaker 2: domestic violence issue. So that still has to be noted
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Speaker 2: that that I cannot, you know, makes sense ever make
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Speaker 2: an excuse for I think we're all talking from a
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Speaker 2: level of hey, maybe this, like maybe the signs were
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Speaker 2: on the wall that something wasn't right. Now, Again, we
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Speaker 2: haven't really been able to take us firm stance yet
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Speaker 2: on what exactly happened between her and Dakota. And there's
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Speaker 2: a reason for that. There's not a lot of information
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Speaker 2: out there. There's some headlines, there's some articles with some
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Speaker 2: alleged like but even those articles from trusted sources are different.
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Speaker 2: They're saying different things with different things happening. We can't
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Speaker 2: make a statement on that yet. I think the last
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Speaker 2: few days have been making statements on hey, maybe we
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Speaker 2: should have saw this coming, like not domestic violence, but
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Speaker 2: something bad happening, something that would be a pivot point
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Speaker 2: for the show, something that would cause Taylor, Frankie Paul
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Speaker 2: to have to go on GMA to make a statement
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Speaker 2: like maybe we should have paid attention to that. And
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Speaker 2: then as obviously more information comes out, we can speak
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Speaker 2: to exactly what happened that in that altercation, if there
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Speaker 2: was one. Again, we don't even really know if there
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Speaker 2: was one. Taylor didn't say it this morning, you know
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Speaker 2: there was something.
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Speaker 5: She definitely keeps alluding to it as headlines, not as
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Speaker 5: anything else like or like, you know, relationship situations or anything.
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Speaker 4: It's the headlines, which is a tactic.
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Speaker 5: And then did we talk about the fact that Laura
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Speaker 5: called her out up being producer on Mormon Wives, which
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Speaker 5: was but I'm gonna.
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Speaker 2: Let you guys continue from here. I do have a
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Speaker 2: call with a source that I got to jump on
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Speaker 2: right now, So I'm gonna jump you guys take it
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Speaker 2: over from here, and I'm sure we'll be back in
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Speaker 2: the next day or so, maybe even today, who knows,
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Speaker 2: sharing any new information that comes out.
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Speaker 3: Thanks Ben. We did not get to that yet, Ashley.
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Speaker 3: But honestly, too, that was the point where I went,
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Speaker 3: I went like, I had to like laugh for a second,
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Speaker 3: because it's like that should have been a straightforward answer.
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Speaker 3: What she said was correct, like that she said that
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Speaker 3: the shutdown had nothing to do with her.
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Speaker 4: She didn't make the decision, but her actions dead.
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Speaker 3: Actions did so she needed to say. First of all,
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Speaker 3: the way she was asked, did you know that we
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Speaker 3: heard productions been shut down? And she said something like,
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Speaker 3: oh yeah, I heard that. She had been a straightforward
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Speaker 3: answer of yes, it is currently shut down, because the
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Speaker 3: follow up question of aren't you in executive producer made
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Speaker 3: her look really stupid, and then her respont's answer to
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Speaker 3: that saying saying, oh, yeah, I heard that this season.
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Speaker 3: That's a lie. I will just say that that is a.
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Speaker 5: False What do you mean, oh yeah, this season? What
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Speaker 5: when she said oh yeah, oh she found out about
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Speaker 5: her being like an honorary producer.
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Speaker 3: That is not how things work. Yeah, that was a
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Speaker 3: huge contract negotiation. And again I was like, you're answering
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Speaker 3: this wrong. Just be like you are correct. I am
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Speaker 3: an executive producer on the show, but I don't have
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Speaker 3: anything to do with the production schedule of the show.
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Speaker 3: Like the way she responded to that was wrong in
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Speaker 3: my opinion.
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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, definitely. Oh and that this.
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Speaker 5: Is a demonstration to me that it was and I
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Speaker 5: appreciate this. I appreciate that it was like an actual
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Speaker 5: news segment and not ju a pr moment to try
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Speaker 5: to straighten things out. Laura was like, I'm actually going
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Speaker 5: to ask her a hard question right now.
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Speaker 3: I thought I was expecting longer First of all, I
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Speaker 3: was not expected. I was expecting maybe top of the show,
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Speaker 3: a little bit end of the show, maybe another clip
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Speaker 3: of the sit down interview. I was expecting longer content,
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Speaker 3: and I was expecting to see a range of emotions.
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Speaker 3: And you don't have to have the emotion when you're
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Speaker 3: talking about the questionable act that we can't go into
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Speaker 3: detail on. But when she said my kids are my everything,
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Speaker 3: that would have been an opportune time to show some
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Speaker 3: sort of emotion. I think she was very much trying
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Speaker 3: to keep it together because I think authentic Raw Taylor
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Speaker 3: would have shown emotion because she can't hold that back
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Speaker 3: in her dating life. So, I mean, neither of us
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Speaker 3: know what it would be like to be in this
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Speaker 3: kind of situation. We've never had, you know, this amount
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Speaker 3: of eyes and this amount of media attention in our lives.
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Speaker 3: But it wasn't what I was expecting.
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Speaker 5: I know many either, It's just get into a very
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Speaker 5: weird spot like this was supposed to.
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Speaker 4: Heal things, and I don't think it did a thing.
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Speaker 3: I don't think it did a thing either.
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Speaker 4: I also not that it was supposed to heal things.
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Speaker 4: You guys know what I mean when I say that,
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Speaker 4: Like it was.
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Speaker 5: Supposed to make people feel some sort of way about
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Speaker 5: her season airing on Sunday, and I think that, if anything,
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Speaker 5: I think it did nothing.
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Speaker 3: It did nothing because even saying, you know what, these
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Speaker 3: headlines have made me realize that I need.
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Speaker 5: To after this week of me doing this press story,
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Speaker 5: even I need to go retreat for a while.
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Speaker 3: I need to take a break. I need to be
21:03
Speaker 3: a present mom. If she had said things like that,
21:06
Speaker 3: I think people would have been like, you go girl,
21:09
Speaker 3: you're prioritizing what needs to be done. But instead it
21:14
Speaker 3: was like, make sure to tune into my season. Oh yeah,
21:17
Speaker 3: and we have an exclusive clip, which that clip didn't
21:20
Speaker 3: give anything.
21:32
Speaker 5: I don't know if you talked about this with Ben,
21:34
Speaker 5: but I know she said this last night or something
21:36
Speaker 5: along the lines at her press dinner, and then she
21:38
Speaker 5: did it again here and I thought it was the
21:40
Speaker 5: weirdest statement to be like, these headlines are making me
21:44
Speaker 5: sit making they're ruining my week that's supposed to be celebratory,
21:48
Speaker 5: and I'm like, what, ye like it's ruining your week?
21:53
Speaker 3: Because it's what Ben was saying. It's that somebody had
21:58
Speaker 3: said on The Vile Files about that Dakota sabotages her moments,
22:06
Speaker 3: and so I think that's what she's implying. But where
22:10
Speaker 3: I come back on that is that this happened three
22:14
Speaker 3: weeks ago, whatever this thing was, it didn't happen this week,
22:18
Speaker 3: the week of your premiere.
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Speaker 4: Is she trying to say that he's putting this out now?
22:23
Speaker 3: Yes, intentionally When you say these headlines are ruining and
22:28
Speaker 3: I can't enjoy another premiere, it's making it sound like
22:32
Speaker 3: it's a calculated move, and who knows, maybe that's true,
22:37
Speaker 3: maybe there's some truth to that. I would also say
22:41
Speaker 3: that the reason why it's happening now is because somebody
22:47
Speaker 3: up top orchestrated this to drop on Sunday.
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Speaker 5: Somebody at top of you know that we talked about
22:54
Speaker 5: this in the last episode, But somebody the top of
22:57
Speaker 5: what like certainly not ABC.
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Speaker 3: At the network. They there's no way that the network
23:03
Speaker 3: did not know when that situation happened, because it affected
23:08
Speaker 3: immediately filming of Secret Lives, which then caused them to
23:12
Speaker 3: go down.
23:12
Speaker 4: That's right, Okay.
23:13
Speaker 5: So the network has known this for three weeks. Why
23:18
Speaker 5: Sunday night.
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Speaker 3: Or just after three weeks, like just maybe just after.
23:22
Speaker 5: You think that they were really going to try to
23:24
Speaker 5: hide it, hide it, hide it, or do you think
23:27
Speaker 5: that they should have just come out three weeks ago.
23:29
Speaker 3: I think that the last three weeks have been trying
23:31
Speaker 3: to build a strategy, and I think that the strategy
23:37
Speaker 3: did not work, and I think that we're now in
23:41
Speaker 3: scramble mode. And I think that today and the next
23:46
Speaker 3: twenty four hours, I think by Thursday, if nothing has
23:50
Speaker 3: changed in the sense when I say no other sponsors
23:54
Speaker 3: or deals have dropped out by Thursday, they are going
23:58
Speaker 3: to consider this like all good, okay, because that's what
24:03
Speaker 3: they're most concerned about. Putting her out there on GMA
24:07
Speaker 3: was really I think about saving sponsors. It's not about
24:12
Speaker 3: public opinion, public opinion or people tuning in or anything
24:16
Speaker 3: like that. It's about making sure that sponsors don't drop
24:20
Speaker 3: out by her going out there and saying nothing, and
24:25
Speaker 3: by her continuing to show up being like see, I'm
24:29
Speaker 3: an active player, Like I'm not going and hiding. Because
24:33
Speaker 3: that's a problem too. Write for the show if as
24:37
Speaker 3: much as we think she should be prioritizing her mental
24:39
Speaker 3: health and doing that. If they don't have a lead
24:42
Speaker 3: out there pushing the show and showing up, who do
24:48
Speaker 3: they have to promote it?
24:49
Speaker 4: Right?
24:51
Speaker 5: No one?
24:51
Speaker 3: No one?
24:52
Speaker 4: Yeah, but do they really need promotion right now?
24:55
Speaker 3: I mean, I not right now, But what about for
24:57
Speaker 3: the rest of the season.
24:58
Speaker 4: I don't know. I think it'll float.
25:01
Speaker 3: I think so too. I'm honestly at a loss.
25:05
Speaker 4: I really don't I could have had Jesse out there,
25:07
Speaker 4: I don't know.
25:08
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't think so. But I really
25:11
Speaker 3: don't know what the plan was. I think that's what's confusing,
25:14
Speaker 3: is like the interview didn't do a whole lot, and
25:20
Speaker 3: it's just it's just like, Okay, watch my show, and
25:24
Speaker 3: when I'm ready to talk about it, I will talk
25:27
Speaker 3: about it. That was the takeaway.
25:30
Speaker 5: I'd find this honestly fascinating. This is the biggest Bachelor
25:34
Speaker 5: PR crisis we've had since Bachelor in Paradise season four.
25:38
Speaker 5: I think the Gary thing was kind of weird. The
25:41
Speaker 5: male thing was a little weird. I can't think about
25:44
Speaker 5: any Oh, oh my god, how to how am I
25:46
Speaker 5: not forgetting the obvious good Chris Harrison, Rachel Lindsay, Chris.
25:51
Speaker 3: Harrison, Rachel Lindsay with a cue one.
25:54
Speaker 4: That's probably PR crisis number one.
25:56
Speaker 3: That's PR crisis number one, Paradise number two. And then
26:01
Speaker 3: Gary Turner.
26:02
Speaker 4: And Harry is a nothing.
26:04
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know those murder comments that.
26:06
Speaker 5: Well, I mean that's that was our last like what
26:09
Speaker 5: in the f But that was when he was post Bachelor,
26:12
Speaker 5: which made a difference.
26:12
Speaker 3: Sure, post Bachelor, but it did. It did hold the
26:16
Speaker 3: media for an entire week, those things, those headlines, so
26:21
Speaker 3: it was it was a big blitz for sure. Yeah,
26:25
Speaker 3: I'm I'm you know what, I don't know Chris Harrison,
26:28
Speaker 3: but uh, I'm really interested. I'm really interested to know
26:32
Speaker 3: what he's thinking right now when all this is playing out.
26:35
Speaker 4: I don't want to speak for him.
26:37
Speaker 3: No, it's not, but I just I just truly wonder.
26:42
Speaker 5: It's just like so crazy, age like how am I
26:45
Speaker 5: involved with this franchise that literally.
26:48
Speaker 4: Like I love it, like I love it, love it,
26:50
Speaker 4: love it.
26:51
Speaker 5: I can't believe how many times I've had to be
26:53
Speaker 5: on this mic debating something that is so controversial about it?
26:58
Speaker 5: What like what I feel like no other reality show.
27:01
Speaker 5: I mean, there's a huge spotlight on Bachelor versus any
27:04
Speaker 5: other reality show.
27:05
Speaker 4: Huge.
27:06
Speaker 3: I was saying this with Deanna yesterday. I mean, all
27:10
Speaker 3: good things must come to an end at some point.
27:12
Speaker 3: It can't last forever, but wow, it has gone on
27:18
Speaker 3: for much longer than I think anybody could have ever anticipated.
27:22
Speaker 3: And so, you know, if this ends up being the
27:25
Speaker 3: last season of Bachelorette, let's hope it's a good watch.
27:29
Speaker 3: And if for some reason we don't see it at
27:33
Speaker 3: all come Sunday, who knows. But I mean, I'm still
27:39
Speaker 3: as much as everything that's going on. I'm still intrigued,
27:44
Speaker 3: even though I feel like I know the ending already, unfortunately, which.
27:48
Speaker 4: Really, oh well, we've had lots of spoilers on that one.
27:51
Speaker 5: I know. Did you guys talk spoilers yesterday on your
27:54
Speaker 5: Ben podcast?
27:55
Speaker 3: Uh No, But I did see pictures last tonight, and yeah,
28:01
Speaker 3: I saw the pictures the TikTok that went out on
28:04
Speaker 3: Monday that I said was her going rogue. I think
28:08
Speaker 3: that was correct in that it was actually a PR
28:12
Speaker 3: stunt by the team.
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Speaker 4: Okay, so I.
28:14
Speaker 3: Believe you were actually correct on that, because thank you,
28:18
Speaker 3: I had some phone calls last night and Amy Sugarman
28:22
Speaker 3: was like, no, you're You're wrong.
28:26
Speaker 4: So much. Shoot, where's Amy?
28:29
Speaker 3: I know? Sleeping?
28:33
Speaker 5: Okay, all right, well this is again continuously evolving, so
28:38
Speaker 5: we'll be back with it and until then, I love you,
28:42
Speaker 5: See you next time.
28:43
Speaker 4: I've been Ashley Bye.
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