Latest / The Vault: The Epstein Files / Judge Engelmayer Denies Ghislaine Maxwell's Attempt To Overturn Her Conviction (Part 4) (9/28/26)
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- 0:00Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
- 0:03Speaker 1: Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to pick up
- 0:06Speaker 1: where we left off with Judge Engelmeyer and the order
- 0:10Speaker 1: denying Ghislaine Maxwell's attempt to get her conviction overturned. First,
- 0:15Speaker 1: Maxwell portrays certain EFTA records as revealing that the NPA
- 0:20Speaker 1: gave blanket transactional immunity to all co-conspirators of Epstein. But
- 0:25Speaker 1: to reach that conclusion, Maxwell distorts those materials. For example,
- 0:29Speaker 1: her unauthorized supplement cited and attached a single page from
- 0:33Speaker 1: OPR's 2019 interview of Acosta, during which the questioner stated
- 0:38Speaker 1: that the NPA conferred blanket immunity on co-conspirators. Significantly, Acosta responded,
- 0:44Speaker 1: although he understood how it could be read that way,
- 0:47Speaker 1: he did not want to characterize it as conferring such immunity.
- 0:52Speaker 1: In any event, even if the EFTA records could be
- 0:55Speaker 1: read to imply that the co-conspirator immunity clause covered Maxwell
- 0:59Speaker 1: The Second Circuit's decision in Anabee, as the Circuit held
- 1:03Speaker 1: on Maxwell's appeal, holds that such a grant of immunity
- 1:06Speaker 1: would only bar the USAO SDFL from charging her, and
- 1:10Speaker 1: not the USAO SDNY, or offices in other districts. And
- 1:15Speaker 1: the EFTA documents cited by Maxwell drive home that point.
- 1:19Speaker 1: On the very next page of OPR's Acosta interview, which
- 1:22Speaker 1: Maxwell omitted, for example, Acosta emphasized that an important point
- 1:27Speaker 1: to recognize is was the fact that the NPA was
- 1:29Speaker 1: limited to SDFL. Second, Maxwell claims that other EFTA records
- 1:34Speaker 1: indicate that DOJ officials outside USAO SDFL participated in negotiating
- 1:40Speaker 1: and approving the NPA. Their involvement, she asserts, means the
- 1:44Speaker 1: agreement bound the entire department, including SDNY. Even assuming the
- 1:50Speaker 1: truth of her factual assertions, Maxwell's take on the legal
- 1:53Speaker 1: implications is wrong. As the Second Circuit recognized, The operative U.S.
- 1:58Speaker 1: Attorney's Manual, now called the Justice Manual, stated unequivocally, no
- 2:02Speaker 1: district or division shall make any agreement, including any agreement
- 2:06Speaker 1: not to prosecute, which purports to bind any other district
- 2:09Speaker 1: or division without the express written approval of the U.S.
- 2:13Speaker 1: attorneys in each affected district and or the assistant attorney
- 2:17Speaker 1: general of the criminal division. The EFTA records cited by
- 2:23Speaker 1: Maxwell do not in any respect suggest that the U.S.
- 2:26Speaker 1: Attorney for SDNY or the Criminal Division Assistant Attorney General
- 2:30Speaker 1: in Washington approved, let alone provided express written approval for
- 2:34Speaker 1: the NPA. Third, Maxwell asserts that certain EFTA records suggest
- 2:39Speaker 1: that investigative steps were taken in New York as part
- 2:42Speaker 1: of the SDFL's 2005-2007 investigation into Epstein, and that this
- 2:48Speaker 1: causes the NPA to bind USAO-SDNY. The exhibits Maxwell attaches
- 2:54Speaker 1: do not support her claim. She states, for example, Exhibit
- 2:57Speaker 1: 5 to the reply supplement reflects that the expanding New
- 3:00Speaker 1: York investigation formed part of the broader factual landscape surrounding
- 3:05Speaker 1: the execution and implementation of the NPA. But that exhibit
- 3:10Speaker 1: is a one-page excerpt from a document of unstated provenance
- 3:14Speaker 1: that does not mention New York at all. And the
- 3:17Speaker 1: other records Maxwell cites are similarly irrelevant. They do not
- 3:21Speaker 1: reflect any intent by the NPA drafters or negotiating parties
- 3:25Speaker 1: to bind USAO, SDNY, or any U.S. Attorney's Office besides SDFL. Fourth,
- 3:31Speaker 1: Maxwell cites communication contained in other EFTA documents between DOJ
- 3:36Speaker 1: personnel and private counsel for victims, ostensibly concerning the NPA scope.
- 3:42Speaker 1: These documents also do not avail her. A July 25,
- 3:46Speaker 1: 2019 email between redacted parties, for example, states, My client's
- 3:51Speaker 1: Epstein victims were told back in 2013 that the NPA
- 3:55Speaker 1: did not extend to New York or other jurisdictions. And
- 3:58Speaker 1: that is the point we are making in Florida litigation
- 4:01Speaker 1: brought by victims under the CVRA. In sum, the EFTA
- 4:06Speaker 1: records that Maxwell claims support that the NPA-bound USAOSDNY are
- 4:11Speaker 1: irrelevant or underscore the correctness of Judge Nathan and the
- 4:15Speaker 1: Second Circuit's holdings to the contrary. B. Maxwell's Brady Claim
- 4:21Speaker 1: Maxwell's petition relatedly claims that the government violated its Brady
- 4:25Speaker 1: obligation by allegedly not searching for, nor disclosing to her,
- 4:29Speaker 1: certain materials related to the NPA, including the OPR report.
- 4:33Speaker 1: That argument is procedurally barred and baseless. Relevant Background At
- 4:39Speaker 1: the initial pretrial conference held July 14, 2020, Judge Nathan
- 4:43Speaker 1: asked the government about its plan to ensure timely review
- 4:47Speaker 1: of files held by non-SDNY components of DOJ for potential
- 4:51Speaker 1: disclosures in the case. On October 7, 2020, the government
- 4:56Speaker 1: submitted a letter of response. It stated that the Second
- 4:59Speaker 1: Circuit case law did not require it to review or
- 5:02Speaker 1: produce Maxwell information held by other agencies because those had
- 5:06Speaker 1: not been part of the SDNY prosecution team. Nonetheless, the
- 5:10Speaker 1: government stated it had opted to go beyond its Brady
- 5:13Speaker 1: and other discovery obligations and collect and review certain material
- 5:17Speaker 1: associated with other investigations. including USAO-SDFL's earlier investigation of Epstein.
- 5:24Speaker 1: It obtained via OPR, for example, the email inbox of
- 5:28Speaker 1: Marie Villafana, the lead assistant U.S. attorney on USAO-SDFL's investigation
- 5:34Speaker 1: of Epstein, and conducted targeted searches of terms relevant to
- 5:38Speaker 1: Maxwell's prosecution, including the names of witnesses, victims, and Maxwell.
- 5:42Speaker 1: On February 2, 2021, nearly 10 months before her trial,
- 5:46Speaker 1: the government produced the OPR report to Maxwell. By then,
- 5:51Speaker 1: the report was already available on the internet. On April 16, 2021,
- 5:57Speaker 1: Judge Nathan denied Maxwell's request for discovery and an evidentiary
- 6:01Speaker 1: hearing regarding the NPA. Judge Nathan also directed the government
- 6:05Speaker 1: to state whether it considers any evidence related to negotiation
- 6:09Speaker 1: of the NPA to constitute Brady or Rule 6 material,
- 6:13Speaker 1: Rule 16 material, and if so, to confirm that it
- 6:16Speaker 1: has or will disclose all such evidence. On April 23, 2021,
- 6:21Speaker 1: the government filed a letter stating that it had reviewed
- 6:25Speaker 1: the evidence in its possession for any that could support
- 6:29Speaker 1: Maxwell's assertion that the NPA was intended to 1. bind
- 6:33Speaker 1: other U.S. attorneys in other districts or 2. cover Maxwell
- 6:36Speaker 1: specifically on the premise that records to this effect would
- 6:40Speaker 1: constitute Brady material in that they could support Maxwell's construction
- 6:44Speaker 1: of the NPA. The government stated, however, that it did
- 6:47Speaker 1: not view any other material that are simply related to
- 6:50Speaker 1: the NPA as ones it was obliged to disclose under
- 6:54Speaker 1: Rule 16 or Brady. Based on its review of material
- 6:57Speaker 1: it had gathered from DOJ components, including USAO SDFL, the
- 7:03Speaker 1: government stated that it had identified materials broadly related to
- 7:06Speaker 1: the NPA, but had determined that none of those constitute
- 7:10Speaker 1: Brady material. Its letter described the expansive approach it had taken,
- 7:14Speaker 1: including by reviewing voluminous repositories of information held by other
- 7:19Speaker 1: DOJ components, which USAO SDNY had not been required to do.
- 7:25Speaker 1: In affirming Maxwell's conviction, the Second Circuit held that Judge
- 7:28Speaker 1: Nathan had correctly denied Maxwell's motion to dismiss the indictment
- 7:33Speaker 1: as barred by the NPA without an evidentiary hearing. Assessment
- 7:38Speaker 1: Maxwell's claim that the prosecution team denied O'Brady or other
- 7:42Speaker 1: material to which he was entitled is both barred and wrong.
- 7:46Speaker 1: The material disclosed under EFTA do not suggest that SDNY
- 7:51Speaker 1: breached any disclosure obligation, including Brady. The Brady Doctrine does
- 7:56Speaker 1: not require a prosecutor to deliver his entire file to
- 7:59Speaker 1: defense counsel, but only to produce information that is material
- 8:03Speaker 1: to the defendant's guilt or punishment. To establish a Brady violation,
- 8:08Speaker 1: a defendant must show that 1. The evidence at issue
- 8:11Speaker 1: must be favorable to the accused, either because it's exculpatory
- 8:15Speaker 1: or because it's impeaching. 2. The evidence must have been suppressed,
- 8:19Speaker 1: either willfully or inadvertently. And 3. And prejudice must have ensued.
- 8:26Speaker 1: A defendant cannot satisfy the suppression requirement if the defendant
- 8:29Speaker 1: directly or through counsel either knew or should have known
- 8:33Speaker 1: of the essential facts permitting him to take advantage of
- 8:36Speaker 1: that evidence. Even where a defendant proves that favorable information
- 8:40Speaker 1: was suppressed, no Brady violation has occurred unless that information
- 8:44Speaker 1: was material. There is a reasonable probability that had the
- 8:48Speaker 1: evidence been disclosed to the defense, the result of the
- 8:51Speaker 1: proceeding would have been different. A reasonable probability sufficient to
- 8:57Speaker 1: undermine confidence in the outcome. Undisclosed evidence will be deemed
- 9:02Speaker 1: material only if it could be reasonably taken to put
- 9:05Speaker 1: the whole case in such a different light as to
- 9:07Speaker 1: undermine confidence in the verdict. Measured against these standards, Maxwell's
- 9:12Speaker 1: claim of Brady violations is unsustainable. The SDNY prosecution team
- 9:17Speaker 1: exceeded its discovery obligation by proactively gathering files from SDFL
- 9:22Speaker 1: and other DOJ components, materials outside its possession, and hence
- 9:26Speaker 1: its Brady obligations. And as Judge Nathan noted in denying
- 9:30Speaker 1: Maxwell's motion to dismiss the indictment as barred by the NPA,
- 9:34Speaker 1: Maxwell received access to an unusually large amount of information
- 9:38Speaker 1: about the NPA's negotiating history in the forms of the
- 9:41Speaker 1: OPR report. Again, seizing on the EFTA, Maxwell cites a
- 9:46Speaker 1: grab bag of documents released under the act to argue
- 9:49Speaker 1: that USAO SDNY violated Brady by ostensibly not searching for
- 9:54Speaker 1: and disclosing those documents to her. Her claim focuses on
- 9:58Speaker 1: a document Bates stamped, EFTA 00190632. She argues that the
- 10:04Speaker 1: prosecution did not inform her of a fact revealed by
- 10:07Speaker 1: that document, that there were ongoing negotiations while Epstein was
- 10:12Speaker 1: incarcerated and after the signature of the NPA, EFTA 00190632.
- 10:19Speaker 1: is an email chain from August 2008 among Acosta and
- 10:22Speaker 1: other members of USAO SDFL that appears to reflect a
- 10:26Speaker 1: discussion among those persons concerning a possible future agreement with
- 10:30Speaker 1: Epstein that might supersede the 2007 NPA. But that document
- 10:35Speaker 1: does not bespeak any violation by USAO SDNY of a
- 10:39Speaker 1: disclosure obligation, even assuming it was not produced to Maxwell
- 10:43Speaker 1: in connection with her prosecution. It's not material or favorable
- 10:47Speaker 1: to her. and its non-production to her did not cause
- 10:50Speaker 1: her prejudice. The dispositive agreement as to the scope of
- 10:53Speaker 1: USAO-SDFL's agreement with Epstein was the MPA, executed 11 months
- 10:58Speaker 1: before the August 2008 email exchange, and EFTA 00190632, which
- 11:06Speaker 1: consisted of internal communication with USAO-SDFL, did not purport to alter,
- 11:12Speaker 1: and legally could not have altered, the meaning of the
- 11:14Speaker 1: executed agreement. Even if these email communications had brought about
- 11:19Speaker 1: negotiations towards a possible superseding agreement with Epstein, these could
- 11:24Speaker 1: not have been modified, the original agreement, unless and until
- 11:28Speaker 1: they resulted in bilateral assent to a new agreement, and
- 11:31Speaker 1: Maxwell had not adduced any evidence that the 2007 Epstein
- 11:36Speaker 1: NPA was ever superseded or modified by any later agreement.
- 11:40Speaker 1: To the contrary, her counsel argued for years in the
- 11:43Speaker 1: district court, in the Second Circuit, and with the Supreme
- 11:47Speaker 1: Court that the 2007 NPA was the only operative agreement.
- 11:53Speaker 1: EFTA 00190632 does not assist Maxwell, and other documents relating
- 11:58Speaker 1: to the NPA released under the EFTA do not either.
- 12:02Speaker 1: The petition's assertion that there was a Brady breach as
- 12:06Speaker 1: a result of government ostensible non-production of those documents in discovery,
- 12:11Speaker 1: a claim that is tellingly not joined in by any
- 12:13Speaker 1: of Maxwell's trial or post-trial counsel, is conclusory, cynical, and wrong.
- 12:19Speaker 1: In sum, the EFTA material Maxwell cites do not support relief.
- 12:23Speaker 1: The prosecution team went above and beyond its disclosure obligations
- 12:27Speaker 1: and fully comply with Brady by collecting information outside its possession,
- 12:31Speaker 1: including from USAO, SDFL, and conducting reasonable searches of those materials.
- 12:38Speaker 1: Although individual prosecutor is presumed to have knowledge of all
- 12:41Speaker 1: information gathered in connection with his office investigation of the case,
- 12:45Speaker 1: United States v. Avellino, 2nd Circuit, 1998. Knowledge on the
- 12:50Speaker 1: part of persons employed by a different office of the
- 12:53Speaker 1: government does not in all instances warrant the imputation of
- 12:56Speaker 1: knowledge to the prosecutor. Declining to infer the prosecutor's knowledge
- 13:02Speaker 1: simply because some other government agents knew that or knew
- 13:05Speaker 1: about certain evidence where prosecutors were unaware of documents possessed
- 13:09Speaker 1: by FBI agents uninvolved in the investigation of trial or
- 13:13Speaker 1: the defendant. United States v. Quinn, Second Circuit, 1971. All right,
- 13:18Speaker 1: we're going to wrap up right there. And in the
- 13:21Speaker 1: next episode, we're going to pick up with Claim 3,
- 13:24Speaker 1: Constructive Amendment of the S2 Indictment. All the information that
- 13:28Speaker 1: goes with this episode can be found in the description box.