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IFH 826: How to Turn a Script Into a Movie Without Hollywood’s Help with Chris Jay · Indie Film Hustle® - A Filmmaking Podcast

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  Speaker 3: On this week's episode, our guest is the frontman and
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  Speaker 3: founder of the rock band Army of Freshmen. He's an
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  Speaker 3: actor and screenwriter. His comedy film The Bent releases this
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  Speaker 3: that good stuff With guests Chris J. Chris, how are you, sir?
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  Speaker 4: Hey, thank you so much for having me. Dave, I'm
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  Speaker 4: I'm very very happy to be here, and I'm gonna
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  Speaker 4: correct you right out of the gate. I definitely don't
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  Speaker 4: start in this. I don't think anybody would want or
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  Speaker 4: need that. But I did throw myself in there because
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  Speaker 4: I figured if I never make another movie again, I'll
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  Speaker 4: probably kick myself in twenty years if I can't show
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  Speaker 4: my kid like there's your old man, you know.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, I usually just say star. I mean usually
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  Speaker 3: it's I don't know what else, because usually I don't
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  Speaker 3: know else to saying that.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know on a real loose term, even when
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  Speaker 4: I find myself writing press releases for the film, it's like, wait,
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  Speaker 4: who's starring, who's featuring, who's cameo? I mean that shit's
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  Speaker 4: kind of out the window these days. I just think,
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  Speaker 4: like you said, everybody just says starring in. You know,
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  Speaker 4: it could be the grounds keeper in the background, and like, yo,
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  Speaker 4: he stars in the New Guardians of the Galaxy. You know.
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  Speaker 3: It's crazy, Yeah, you always cause like for me, I've
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  Speaker 3: always sprakally appeared in shows, so I never know what
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  Speaker 3: to say. I mean, do you say, featured extra. Do
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  Speaker 3: you say, you know what I mean?
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  Speaker 4: It's like the weirdest featured extra, say you know what
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  Speaker 4: I mean? That sounds weird, like it's I don't know,
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  Speaker 4: it's it's so funny, all the terms. But you get
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  Speaker 4: all those head shots. Man on, I'll tell you when
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  Speaker 4: we were casting the movie, you'll get a kick out
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  Speaker 4: of this. It was a really interesting experience. But you
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  Speaker 4: look on the back of these resumes, Dave and some
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  Speaker 4: of these people, you don't know who the person is,
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  Speaker 4: You've never heard of them, but they've been on the
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  Speaker 4: coolest stuff in the world, like oh my god, you
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  Speaker 4: were on Friends and you were on Seinfeld and blah
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  Speaker 4: blah blah blah blah. And then at the bottom there's
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  Speaker 4: like a little note that just says featured extra, you know,
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  Speaker 4: And it's like, wait a minute, You're like an extra
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  Speaker 4: just showing up for lunch, which is badass, you know.
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  Speaker 3: What I mean.
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  Speaker 4: But it's crazy that you put this on your resume,
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  Speaker 4: you know.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean honestly, like every reacting thing I've ever done,
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  Speaker 3: I have been a featured extra and like always sunny,
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  Speaker 3: you know, I was in a again a pre interview.
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  Speaker 3: We're talking about NFL films. I was. I was in
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  Speaker 3: an NFL Films commercial with some size So it's just weird.
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  Speaker 4: You know what I mean. So you're like me, like
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  Speaker 4: you're a jack of all trades, not really successful at
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  Speaker 4: any of them, but god damn it, you're out there
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  Speaker 4: doing something you know exactly.
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  Speaker 3: You got it.
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  Speaker 4: I love it.
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  Speaker 3: I love it so so Chris, just to get started,
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  Speaker 3: you know, I wanted to ask you know about your background.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, obviously you know you're a founder of the
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  Speaker 3: rock band Army of Freshman, but I wanted to ask,
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  Speaker 3: you know, how did you actually transition into you know,
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  Speaker 3: the idea, you know, of getting into the film industry.
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  Speaker 4: Great question, Dave, So basically, super quick background. I am
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  Speaker 4: in the band Army of Freshman, and ever since you've
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  Speaker 4: been doing this movie, we've been on a bit of
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  Speaker 4: a hiatus, but we've been around for like over fifteen years.
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  Speaker 4: I was born and raised in New Jersey, close to
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  Speaker 4: you up in Media, Pennsylvania where you're at. And when
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  Speaker 4: I was seventeen, I left home and I moved by
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  Speaker 4: myself to California to do the rock and roll thing.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, there was two things I loved in my life.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I always love music, and I always loved movies.
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  Speaker 4: Quite frankly, nothing else really interested me period. I like
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  Speaker 4: wrestling too, in boxing, but that's getting off topic. But
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  Speaker 4: with that said, so I did the music thing man
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  Speaker 4: and Army a Freshman was one of those bands that
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  Speaker 4: didn't blow up. We were always opening up for bigger bands,
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  Speaker 4: but we'd be like the first band on the bill,
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  Speaker 4: Like we'd come and play the trocad Arrow in Philly
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  Speaker 4: or the TLA, right, but we wouldn't be the band
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  Speaker 4: on the marquee. We would be the band that you
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  Speaker 4: didn't know that played first, right. And it was awesome. Man.
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  Speaker 4: We got to travel around the world, and I mean
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  Speaker 4: I put my blood, sweat, tears heart. I spent my
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  Speaker 4: whole twenties and practically early thirties doing Army a Freshman.
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  Speaker 4: And right around the time that we were close to
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  Speaker 4: finally signing a major label deal in the late two thousands,
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  Speaker 4: which in the old music industry was like, you know,
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  Speaker 4: that was the goal, right, that was the goal. And
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  Speaker 4: dude downloading Kane and it came like a violent, terrible
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  Speaker 4: evil wave and it literally destroyed bands of my size,
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  Speaker 4: and we were the middle class bands, if that makes sense.
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  Speaker 4: You know, like we weren't the big boys, but we
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  Speaker 4: weren't the garage bands. We were just those hard working
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  Speaker 4: bands Chris Cross in the United States and Europe in
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  Speaker 4: mini bands. You know, it was really honorable and noble
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  Speaker 4: and you could make enough to maybe pay the rent
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  Speaker 4: and eat right. But when downloading came and then the
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  Speaker 4: what the financial collapse in two thousand and eight, dude,
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  Speaker 4: it just all went to hell and you quick, you know,
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  Speaker 4: it was really really ugly for the music business. And
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  Speaker 4: with that said, we were very close to signing to
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  Speaker 4: a major label, and the A and R guy that
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  Speaker 4: was ready to do the deal literally the financial collaps hit.
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  Speaker 4: They froze all signings for the year, right, So I'm like,
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  Speaker 4: oh my god, Oh my god, what's going on. Literally
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  Speaker 4: thirty days later, I called to check in to see
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  Speaker 4: how things are working and see if we could do
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  Speaker 4: the deal in January, something I had been working for
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  Speaker 4: basically my whole life, right, Dave, and the receptionist says
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  Speaker 4: he was fired and there's nobody else to talk theory.
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  Speaker 4: He is the only A and R guy that wanted us,
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  Speaker 4: So I kind of went through I don't want to say,
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  Speaker 4: a depression. But I really had to take a hard
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  Speaker 4: look at my life. And I had always bounced around
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  Speaker 4: the idea of writing a screenplay because I'm a writer,
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  Speaker 4: like I would pay the bills kind of doing freelance
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  Speaker 4: journalism for local newspapers and stuff, right, So I always
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  Speaker 4: wanted to write a film just because I'm I'm in
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  Speaker 4: southern California, right, Dave, Like everybody, every waiter's got an
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  Speaker 4: idea for a movie, right, and it would be fun
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  Speaker 4: to do, not even necessarily to make. So I got
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  Speaker 4: with my partner in the band, Aaron Goldberg, who co
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  Speaker 4: wrote the screenplay with me, and I got in touch
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  Speaker 4: with a producer friend by the name of Reza Riazzi,
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  Speaker 4: who had produced one of our videos. And this is
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  Speaker 4: kind of like the key link here to the story.
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  Speaker 4: Reza kind of guided us along. So we were first
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  Speaker 4: time screenwriters, right, but he helped us. He kind of
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  Speaker 4: gave us just the you know, just kind of the
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  Speaker 4: focus of what we're trying to do and trying to
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  Speaker 4: get across, and he kind of guided the screenplay and
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  Speaker 4: we worked on it off and on for a while.
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  Speaker 4: We didn't sit down for like two weeks Sylvester Stallone
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  Speaker 4: style and cram out rocky. You know, it was a
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  Speaker 4: work in progress here and there, we got to the
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  Speaker 4: point where we thought it was pretty good, and Resa
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  Speaker 4: thought the same thing, and we made the decision that
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  Speaker 4: I spent my whole life doing music, going in front
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  Speaker 4: of a and our guys, you know, begging to get
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  Speaker 4: signed or get this, or kissing button, giving demo tapes.
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  Speaker 4: That I said, you know what, if we're going to
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  Speaker 4: do this movie, let's just do it right, Like, no
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  Speaker 4: matter how much money we get. If we get ten
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  Speaker 4: thousand dollars and we've got to turn it into a
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  Speaker 4: short film and shoot it in my garage on an iPhone,
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  Speaker 4: let's do it. Let's just not have anybody tell us
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  Speaker 4: we can't do this. I didn't want to be begging
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  Speaker 4: for people to read a screenplay because think of that, Dave,
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  Speaker 4: who the hell is going to read a raunchy comedy
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  Speaker 4: screenplay first time screenwriters? Oh and they were in a
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  Speaker 4: rock band. I mean that just sounds awful, Like I
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  Speaker 4: wouldn't want to read that if that was the background
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  Speaker 4: and you gave it to me. So I kind of
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  Speaker 4: knew going in that we were going to have to
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  Speaker 4: do it on our own. And we set out at
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  Speaker 4: that point too, let's make this movie. You know, Resa
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  Speaker 4: agreed to produce it, and he had produced some indie
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  Speaker 4: films before. So the good news is we had somebody
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  Speaker 4: helping us. And that's the key thing. I don't want
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  Speaker 4: you to think that we were just two guys from
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  Speaker 4: a band that just did all this. We had somebody
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  Speaker 4: guiding us, but there was no money. He just hopped
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  Speaker 4: on because I think at that point he had given
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  Speaker 4: us so much advice. He had taken a little sabbatical
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  Speaker 4: because he had a film that really got taken from
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  Speaker 4: him and turned upside down, and he kind of moved
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  Speaker 4: into stand up and I think this was an opportunity
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  Speaker 4: to like, hey, maybe I can get back in the
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  Speaker 4: game a little bit, and let's find a young, hungry director.
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  Speaker 4: And that's basically the genesis. I know that's a lot
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  Speaker 4: of backstory, but I think it's important to know because
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  Speaker 4: we didn't come from movies at all. The closest we
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  Speaker 4: had to that was I mean I was an extra
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  Speaker 4: in one or two movies, a featured extra, right and
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  Speaker 4: then also making our music videos. But that was it, man.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, we as screenwriters went into this blind. We
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  Speaker 4: just had that determination from the indie music world that
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  Speaker 4: we weren't gonna we were gonna do it, you know
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  Speaker 4: what I mean. We came from a very diy music background,
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  Speaker 4: and I think we sort of took the ethics and
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  Speaker 4: put it into the film.
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  Speaker 4: So that's how we got to the point of, yes,
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  Speaker 4: we're making a movie, and there's a long backstory, and
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  Speaker 4: I'm sorry for that day, Chris.
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  Speaker 3: Everyone always likes to talk, and they talk a little
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  Speaker 3: more on my podcast what I'm trying to say, So please,
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  Speaker 3: don't you know you said you might ramble sometimes it's
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  Speaker 3: encouraged on this podcast.
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  Speaker 4: Well you cut me off at any time. It's skinny,
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  Speaker 4: especially if you and I start talking cheese steaks. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: it's dumb, you know what I mean?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I completely understand. By the way, speaking of cheese steaks,
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  Speaker 3: what is your favorite cheesteak plays?
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  Speaker 4: So I know this is sacrilege. Keep in mind, I
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  Speaker 4: didn't come from Philly. I came from Jersey, so I
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  Speaker 4: had to drive into the city. But pounds for pound,
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  Speaker 4: I always like Gym's on South Street. O don't know.
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  Speaker 3: Jim's is great. It's my second friend.
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  Speaker 4: What's your favorite?
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  Speaker 3: My favorite place is John's Ross Pork.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, I heard of that place. I've heard of that place.
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  Speaker 4: Is it that sensational?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, because it's different than all the other cheese steak places.
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  Speaker 3: Once you have it, you really you understand what a
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  Speaker 3: cheese steak is supposed to be.
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  Speaker 4: Well, next time I'm out there, you and I are
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  Speaker 4: going there. That's good. Just put it on the calendar.
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  Speaker 3: I let's do it. Man. It's right by the e
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  Speaker 3: c W ri in it too, so.
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  Speaker 4: We can talk all right there on Yeah, yikes, that's.
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  Speaker 3: Hip Swanson and Redner right by Swansor and Redne.
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  Speaker 4: Oh so you talk wrestling too, Dave, I'm impressed.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. I could talk all day about professional wrestling. Before
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  Speaker 3: I got into film, I used to be a huge
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  Speaker 3: pro wrestling buff. Quick, little mini mini background. I don't
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  Speaker 3: want to talk too much about myself, but many many background.
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  Speaker 3: Out of high school, I went right in the pro
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  Speaker 3: wrestling school. I ended up working with King Kong Bundy
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  Speaker 3: and his promotion, and that was a whole that was
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  Speaker 3: a whole adventure I could talk about hours about.
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  Speaker 4: So yeah, now, okay, we're we're getting we're veering far
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  Speaker 4: off track, but really quickly we'll circle this all around
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  Speaker 4: because obviously there's wrestlers in my movie, so that's like
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  Speaker 4: kind of like a connection. But did you ever get
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  Speaker 4: to have an indie match? Did you ever get to
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  Speaker 4: actually have a pro wrestling match?
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  Speaker 3: I had one actual match, and that was really where
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  Speaker 3: was it that it was in? I think it was
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  Speaker 3: either Springfield or Exton, a Springfield Druge hill I met.
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  Speaker 3: It was a twenty man Battle Royal. It was all
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  Speaker 3: of the rookies of the school we were at, and
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  Speaker 3: that was my one and only professional wrestling match because
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  Speaker 3: after that I just wanted to get out of it
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  Speaker 3: because I had to go to college and my love
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  Speaker 3: affair of wrestling was really like really burning out. And
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  Speaker 3: then basically I still if that's right, around of the time,
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  Speaker 3: I ended up helping King Kong Bundy, So I had
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  Speaker 3: that match started like and I still had tons of
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  Speaker 3: contacts and they were like, oh, I hope you're not
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  Speaker 3: going to leave, and I said yeah, I said, you know,
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  Speaker 3: I'm not six foot four, I'm five foot nine, you
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  Speaker 3: know what I mean. I'm a ginger who's going to
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  Speaker 3: cheer a five foot nine ginger.
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  Speaker 4: Come on, dude, that is too cool. But you got
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  Speaker 4: to say you had a professional wrestling match. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: like that's a bucket list thing. I think for a
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  Speaker 4: lot of people, myself included. That is awesome. Dude, that
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  Speaker 4: is so cool.
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  Speaker 3: Well, thank you, you know, if you ever want to
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  Speaker 3: talk about that anytime.
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  Speaker 4: There's some pinetic energy here. We're both from from a Philly,
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  Speaker 4: South Jersey area, we both like Chief Stage, we both
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  Speaker 4: like wrestling, and both like movies. I mean this, this
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  Speaker 4: could get really awkward, dude. By the end of this podcast,
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  Speaker 4: people are going to be like disgusted, like these two
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  Speaker 4: guys love affairs, ridiculous men.
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  Speaker 3: Well, most people tune me out anyway, so they're probably
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  Speaker 3: me too.
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  Speaker 4: Cool man, cool.
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  Speaker 3: So you know, just you know, getting back to the bed.
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  Speaker 3: You know, so I wanted to ask, you know, Chris,
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  Speaker 3: you know, where was the impetus of this idea to
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  Speaker 3: actually for the screenplay. Did it did it come from
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  Speaker 3: like a friend of yours. Did it come from an
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  Speaker 3: idea or Joe was It.
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  Speaker 4: Was an original idea that I had, And honestly, I
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  Speaker 4: think it was kind of inspired by the fact that
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  Speaker 4: being on tour in a band, right, Dave, I got
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  Speaker 4: the opportunity to meet a lot of girls that I
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  Speaker 4: had gone to school with over the years, like maybe
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  Speaker 4: you know, you come to town and they live there
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  Speaker 4: and they see that you're in town and they come
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  Speaker 4: to a show, or you invite them, or we would
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  Speaker 4: go play my hometown in kate May, a lot where
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  Speaker 4: a lot of people you went to school would still lived.
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  Speaker 4: And I was always fascinated to see where these girls
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  Speaker 4: that I had crushes on where they ended up. And
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  Speaker 4: I don't mean that in a negative way, but just
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  Speaker 4: like man in the sixth grade, this girl was, you know,
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  Speaker 4: the hottest girl in school or the girl that I
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  Speaker 4: just had a crush on, or whatever it may be.
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  Speaker 4: And you know what would happen if you met your
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  Speaker 4: crush twenty years later? Like where are they? Who are they?
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  Speaker 4: And that kind of just kind of bounced around in
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  Speaker 4: my head and at one point, I don't have her
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  Speaker 4: Uretha moment or I remember it. I just always remember
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  Speaker 4: when I thought a movie idea is that that was
• 14:35
  Speaker 4: at the top of my list. A guy gets in
• 14:37
  Speaker 4: a bet where he's got to go back and meet
• 14:40
  Speaker 4: every girl that he had a crush on in high
• 14:42
  Speaker 4: school because it's essentially just a fantasy that I'm assume
• 14:45
  Speaker 4: I'd like to have, but the reality is it's not
• 14:47
  Speaker 4: going to be all good. Just because that girl was
• 14:50
  Speaker 4: the cutest girl in sixth grade, she could be like,
• 14:52
  Speaker 4: you know, a white trash drug addict. And I thought,
• 14:55
  Speaker 4: what would be funny about that premise is if the
• 14:57
  Speaker 4: guy had to hook up with the girl, right, no
• 15:01
  Speaker 4: matter what scenario she's in, he's got to bite the
• 15:04
  Speaker 4: bullet and do so. And it just kind of sounded
• 15:06
  Speaker 4: like it would be a good, fun, raunchy, wacky movie,
• 15:09
  Speaker 4: and I just was that was the genesis. So I
• 15:11
  Speaker 4: think it was kind of influenced by having met some
• 15:14
  Speaker 4: of the girls I went to school with and being, oh,
• 15:16
  Speaker 4: jeez man, that was my cross. Glad that didn't work
• 15:18
  Speaker 4: out right, But at the same time, I think it
• 15:20
  Speaker 4: lent itself to a good premise, and it, you know,
• 15:22
  Speaker 4: just kind of once Aaron came in and started writing
• 15:25
  Speaker 4: it together. You know, that's the fun part about script writing.
• 15:28
  Speaker 4: As much as you set it up, you go down
• 15:30
  Speaker 4: different avenues with the script. The new characters get introduced
• 15:34
  Speaker 4: and things change, and I find that such a fun
• 15:37
  Speaker 4: and fascinating process. How different the project is like because
• 15:40
  Speaker 4: when you think about it at first, because you're a writer, Dave,
• 15:42
  Speaker 4: you know, you see it just like this word for word,
• 15:44
  Speaker 4: and it's got to be like this, and these are
• 15:46
  Speaker 4: the characters and this is a story. But when you
• 15:48
  Speaker 4: start writing that, baby, these characters kind of take a
• 15:51
  Speaker 4: life for their own. And even in a silly, raunchy
• 15:54
  Speaker 4: movie like ours directions, they start moving in different places
• 15:58
  Speaker 4: and you you know, motivations and scenes and that's a
• 16:02
  Speaker 4: fun process. I think it's really when you know, when
• 16:04
  Speaker 4: you're just cooking with gas and you really like where
• 16:06
  Speaker 4: something's going with the script. That's a cool moment. Man,
• 16:09
  Speaker 4: that energy if you can capture it. And I like
• 16:11
  Speaker 4: writing with a partner because I think you can really
• 16:14
  Speaker 4: feed off people. I think it would be very difficult
• 16:17
  Speaker 4: if I wrote a screenplay by myself because you don't
• 16:19
  Speaker 4: have that quality control of the other person.
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, very true. And you know, I as
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: I found you when writing. You know, sometimes I take
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: it way too seriously and it ends up I try
• 16:31
  Speaker 3: to end up forcing things, you know what I mean.
• 16:33
  Speaker 3: It's like and then you realize you're spoken. You got
• 16:37
  Speaker 3: into writing because it's fun, right, or you have something
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: to say, or you want to explore something, you know
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: what I mean. And you know that's why, you know,
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: when you were discussing the idea, creation and all these characters,
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: you know, that's what you need. You need to always,
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: you know, be excited to come back to it when
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: you cause you got to write. You know, nobody sits down,
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: just writes out the whole thing and one one foul swoop.
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: You know, you come back and you write it in pieces.
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: You know, you write three pages, five pages, and you
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: when you come back, you always have to have that
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: that excitement and you know what I mean, You have
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: to have that excitement of Okay, I see where it's going,
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: What's gonna happen? Now, I'm going to be just as
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: surprised as the audience, you know what I mean. So
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: when you were writing this, Chris, I wanted to ask you,
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: did you buy any of those screenwriting books like You
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: Have a Key Story or Save the Cap I Play Exciter?
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: Did you buy any of those books?
• 17:21
  Speaker 4: You know, I didn't. You're talking about the actual screenwriting books. Yeah, yeah,
• 17:25
  Speaker 4: I didn't. I didn't. I didn't. It was very I mean,
• 17:29
  Speaker 4: and again I think I'm a little spoiled because of
• 17:31
  Speaker 4: the fact that I am a writer, you know. So
• 17:34
  Speaker 4: not that I'm a good writer, but I just had
• 17:36
  Speaker 4: experience in writing. You know, even in writing a five
• 17:38
  Speaker 4: hundred world article about a band, you still have the beginning,
• 17:41
  Speaker 4: in the middle and an end. So I think I
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: understood the process to the point that I didn't. I didn't.
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: It just seemed weird to read a book to tell
• 17:48
  Speaker 4: me how to write a book, if that makes sense,
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: you know. But I definitely grabbed uh, you know. Once
• 17:55
  Speaker 4: we're getting ready to make the movie, I ordered a
• 17:58
  Speaker 4: book online that was like the Real Truth about Indie filmmaking,
• 18:01
  Speaker 4: a complete guide from top to bottom, right, that kind
• 18:04
  Speaker 4: of deal, you know, and you'll love this. But you
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: know the book now, I keep it by the bathroom.
• 18:10
  Speaker 4: It's like the bathroom read dude, the thing was made
• 18:13
  Speaker 4: like five years ago, okay, And as I'm reading it
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: getting ready to make the movie, just looking for pointers,
• 18:18
  Speaker 4: you know, half the information was defunct and the book
• 18:22
  Speaker 4: was only five years old. Like they were talking about like,
• 18:25
  Speaker 4: well this new Netflix saying nobody's really figured it out yet,
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: and you know, they're talking about Lonely Girl fifteen was
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: an internet phenomenon. But how can you? I mean, and
• 18:34
  Speaker 4: I'm like, my god, this is garbage. I mean, things
• 18:36
  Speaker 4: are moving so fast in the world of technology and
• 18:39
  Speaker 4: film that a book and a definitive book on the
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: subject in two thoy and twelve is now literally archaic.
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: And that's that's wild to me. So it's almost like,
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: what the hell do you read? Unless you read the
• 18:50
  Speaker 4: most recent stuff on the internet, I don't know if
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: anything could really help, you.
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: Know, Yeah, absolutely, I have tons of I mean, I
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: know there's a podcast you can't see, but to my
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: left is tons and tons and tons of how to
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: filmmaking books. I mean virtually, I have every indie filmmaking book,
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: screenwriting book, producing book you can get, and some of
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: them are just like that, they're just completely Hey, you know,
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: go grab your friends, grab a mini dvcam, you know,
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: shoot some stuff in your backyard, and you know you
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: can send it to festivals. Well, now I don't have
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: to do any of that. I could use my phone.
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: I don't need a DV tape. I could, you know,
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: an edit an I movie or edit and Windows movie
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: maker or premiere or whatever one I want to. I
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: can just put it right to YouTube.
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: Wild huh. I mean the same happened with music in
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: terms of how quick you can go, Like you and
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: I right now can make the decision to start our duo. Right,
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: we could write a song not in person, dude, We
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: could write a song over freaking FaceTime together. Right, we
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: could record the conceivably record the song and release it
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: and have a website up, you know, with a social
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: media account before before the sun goes down. And I
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: mean I'm allowed to curse.
• 19:56
  Speaker 5: Right, We'll be right back after a word from our
• 19:59
  Speaker 5: spam sir, and now back to the show.
• 20:06
  Speaker 4: Oh so that's fucked up, dude, that's process. Isn't supposed
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: to be like that, Like where's the growth? Where's the learning?
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: And I think the same thing has happened to film,
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: where it's certainly much more complicated process than writing a song,
• 20:18
  Speaker 4: of course, no doubt. Right, But everything that you just
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: said you can still kind of do. And that's awesome,
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: But it's also that double edged sort of it's really
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: flooding the market and putting a lot of crap out
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: there too, you know people are they just release everything
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: instead of like, you know, where's the days of kind
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: of just making movies in your backyard and nobody sees
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: them but your parents, and then you slowly grow and
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: get better at it. Now kids are making their very
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: first thing and throwing it up on YouTube hoping they
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: get like a viral thing. I don't know, it's just
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: it just seems it's like it's a hard time for
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: the cream to you know, was it the cream Rise
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: at the top or whatever the saying is. I just
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: it's just really muddy. Man. Technology has made things so awesome.
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: We could never make the movie that we made without it.
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: But at the same time, I am also where that
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: there's a lot of films maybe some people would think
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: are film that are being made and it's almost, you know,
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: blocking the path for other movies. It's a weird time, man.
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: I feel like we're just living in a very strange age.
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, absolutely we are. And you know, it's funny
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: because there's a there's a short film called Panic Attack
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: and it actually I forget the guy who made it,
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: but Hollywood found it and they actually gave him the
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: job of directing the remake of Evil Dead just because
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: of that.
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: Wow.
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: So it's almost like, now you know, this whole avenue
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: of YouTube and podcasting and self publishing. It's like they're
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: bypassing not just one gatekeeper, but like twenty five because
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: now you're almost like your own agent manager, because now
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: you can say, oh, no, I don't want to sell
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: these book rights, or I don't want to sell your rights.
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: I want to sell this. I mean, but you're right,
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: there are a lot more players out there now. But
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: you know, I think that as long as you have
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: something that is that can stand above anybody else. Paul
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: Patido on here, and he and I were talking about
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: the exact same thing, because he was always saying, you know,
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: he tells his film students, you know, you have to
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: make something, and they're saying, well, there's like ten kacillion
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: things on on YouTube right now, and he says, you
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: have you know, how do you stand out? How do
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: you get on the front page of iTunes? How do
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: you get on the front page of Netflix? You know
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: what I mean? And it's just all and it just
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: it really depends upon what's hot, your concept, how polished
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: it is. I mean, you've a lot of different factors.
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: Now maybe it's the same factors always have been there,
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: but they're always but you know, they're always have to
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: sort of work out like in your favor. Like we
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: were talking earlier about in the pre interview, maybe you know,
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: some guy, some someday, some guy wakes up, has a
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: great morning, and all of a sudden, your TV polic
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: gets made, you know what I mean?
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, And that's ah man, it's it's a depressing thought,
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: but it's just I mean, yeah, I certainly don't want
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: to go down the negative road, for lack of a
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: better word, but I think it's a terrifying prospect. I mean,
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: I used to and I keep falling back to music,
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: but that's just who I am. And I think what's
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: happening to the film world happened to the end to
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: the music world about ten years ago, right. But yes,
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: I used to tell kids, dude, just get in the van, man,
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: just do it, dude, just go for it. Just do it.
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: You know, good, bad, learn, go do it, dedicate some time.
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: And now I don't say that, And it really freaks
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: me out that if a kid comes to me and says,
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: we just started a band, what do we do? I
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: don't tell him to hop in a van. Where are
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: they going to go? Where are they gonna play who's
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: gonna give a shit? You know, And I wonder in
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: some ways if it's that similar to the film world,
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: you know, like if a kid right out of the
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: gate wants to do it, I mean, it's probably not
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: you know, I don't want to say going for the
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: big time the brass ring, but it's probably much more
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: honing your craft on web series and smaller things instead
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: of jumping right into it, you know, guns blazing, you know.
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: I just it's strange, man, you know. And I come
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: from such a different perspective because I didn't have that
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: educated film background that somebody like yourself does. So I
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: think some of the reason we got this made was
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: sheer tenacity and dumb luck and a lack of education,
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: because I think if we knew what we were getting
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: into and how much time it would be and how
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: expensive it would be, we probably wouldn't have done it,
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: you know. And that's kind of that Sometimes being naive
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: can lead to good things if you're willing to put
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: the work in. You know, a lot of people I
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: think took mercy on us, Dave. They were just like,
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: you're doing what, Like you can't do that? Oh god, okay,
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: Well let me help you. Good luck, good luck falling
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: on your face on this one, good luck making a
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: feature film, come on, you know, and somehow we pulled
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: it off. But we surrounded ourselves with good people to
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: help pull it off. But I mean, man, people hurt
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: our budget. When people here were we wanted to shoot
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: it in Ventura and not Los Angeles, they were looking
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: at us like we were lunatics. Dude, I mean, like,
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: you know what the cool thing is. We proved a
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: lot of people wrong. We got it done, but it
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: was a painful, long process. It was not smooth sailing,
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: you know.
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, definitely, it definitely U. I understand completely where
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: we're coming from. And you know, just to sort of
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: as we're talking about writing the becks, I do want
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: to talk about actually making a move. But as we're
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: talking about, you know, writing the bet, did you guys
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: actually did you use Final Draft or fade in to
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: write the movie? Did you use any software you check
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: this out?
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: We were so naive. Aaron did the typing, I did
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: the talking. We didn't really know about Final Draft. We
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: had heard of it. We were kind of aware what
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: it was. And I'm sure you're listening will be like,
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: are you kidding me. We were literally indenting every time
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: a new character talked. Like the first draft or two
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: drafts that we did, we turned it into you know,
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: Reza who was kind of helping us and giving us
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: some guidance, who ended up producing the film, and he
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: was like, man, he was like, is something wrong with
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: your final draft? And we're like, what do you mean?
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: He was like, don't tell me. You type this and
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: we're like yeah, he was like, oh my god, you
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: know what I mean. He was like, dude, he was like,
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: that's remarkable. He was like, how long did this take?
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: And we're like, what would take hours? You know, we'd
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: write it and then spend another couple hours like indenting, indenting, indenting, centering,
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: you know, bracketing. I mean, it was trial by fire man.
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: If you can believe that, we did get final drafted
• 25:59
  Speaker 4: and it was like, oh no, you know, like it
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: just changed everything. But you like, literally that's how backwards were.
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: It was like Mick Foley writ in his biography on
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: pen and paper, you know, it's like there's something kind
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: of cool about that, but I can't believe we did it.
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: I'd love to get those hours of my life back, you.
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: Know, yeah, I know exactly what you mean. You know,
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: I know, like James Patterson and Quinn Tarantino they still
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: use like pad and pen. I still do it too sometimes.
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: But now you know what my with the biggest con
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: of that is, Chris, is the fact that now you're
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: ending up with like notepads and like seriously, I have
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: like stacks of notebooks that I've been writing in, and
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: I'm always sitting there going, you know, someday I'm gonna
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: have to scan these things. Yeah, yeah, and just and
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: just do away with it, because every note has changed
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: my life. Because that's why I just if I have
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: an idea, I pulled my phone and go, okay, hold on,
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: let me just write this down real quick. Okay, so
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean, I just type like that
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: and then I'll come back later on and put you know,
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: pull it all up and then go, okay, now I'll
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: get into final draft or fade in and whever I'm using.
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: But do you wonder sometimes I mean not to get
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: on the bigger sort of like uh deeper meaning, but
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: you know, do programs like that have they have they
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: cheapened things a little bit? I mean, like all the
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: greats back in the day. They didn't have final draft, right.
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: I mean, like you know, when a guy like Mankowitz
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: was banging out Citizen Kane, he didn't have somebody indenting
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: things for him. I mean, these guys are on pypewriters Man,
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: and then they banged scripts out. I mean you just
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: kind of wonder as much as it's made things easier, like,
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: has that affected worth work ethic in a lot of ways?
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: You know?
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know that that's a good question. I I
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: I want to say that I hope it has just
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: made it so they can concentrate, like guys like us
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: can just concentrate on the craft more without having to
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: worry about stuff like you know what I mean, like
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: getting you know, getting you know, bogged down with that.
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: I mean, technology of itself is supposed to make things easier,
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: like in the pre interview we're talking about if when
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: technology works, it's phenomenal. But uh, you know that is
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: a good question. I mean, uh, personally, I could never
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: go back down to using anything else besides fine. Yeah,
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: So I mean like it's if I ever had to
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: go back, I would I would probably I don't know,
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: take a header off.
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: The roof, got it? Understood, understood, you wouldn't be alone,
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: just be able to red screenwriters you probably lived because
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: you'd land on their corpses or something. You know.
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right with lift because like somebody the James Patterson,
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: what he does is he writes all longhand he gives
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: it all to a secretary. She put like types it
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: all up and then gives it back to him and
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: he has a process and it's triple spaced.
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: And that he can be like if you have a secretary,
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: you know, like some whole buzz aren't lucky enough to
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: afford these type of things.
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, yeah, that's what That's where I was, uh
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: was saying, was you know he does have a secretary.
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: I mean that's why I think he can get away
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: with it. And Tarantino, I don't know what he does.
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: Maybe he has a secretary at some point.
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: I imagine he's got a few at this point.
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: So all right, so you know, you you have written
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: the bet, So I just want to take us through
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: this process of you know, you have had the idea,
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: you wrote the bet, you've actually got final drafts, you
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: were able to actually uh correctly format it. So where
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: was the point where you started pitching to people. You know,
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: did I and did you? Did you pitch to investors?
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: Did you try to crowdfund this? Yeah?
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: So, I mean it's an important part of the story,
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: and I think that's what people everybody's interested in that, right,
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: Where the hell do you find the money? So when
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: we decided to do it, okay, what we did, I'm
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: giving you the step by step. We came up with
• 29:20
  Speaker 4: three budgets. We didn't do one of these things where
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: it has to be this amount of money. Right. We
• 29:25
  Speaker 4: came up with our bare bone, super backyard indie budget. Right,
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: we came up with you know, our ideal budget, and
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: we came up with something in the middle. And when
• 29:36
  Speaker 4: I say ideal, we weren't asking for sick money, you
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: know what I mean. We were saying, like ideal for
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: a micro budget movie.
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: So we had these three different budgets and basically we said,
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: let's initially go to some friends and family, like you know,
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: and again we're not talking about all our you know,
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: broke music buddies. You know, we went to mom and dad,
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: you know, aunts and uncles, Aaron and I you know,
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: literally pitched them personally.
• 30:00
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• 30:06
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• 30:09
  Speaker 4: Couple people came in with just a little bit of money.
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: We found a couple thousand dollars to be completely blunt,
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: And what we did, Dave, is we used that as
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: seed money to try and find bigger money. And what
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: I mean is, if you're trying to, let's say, take meetings,
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: or you need to fly somewhere or whatever it is,
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: you need a little bit of money to do that.
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: You know, a guy like me that works a part
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: time job and is normally always dead broke, I don't
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: have a budget to go if I get a meeting
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: in New York, hop on a plane and fly out there.
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: And then, let's face it, if you're meeting somebody, you
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: probably want to pay for the dinner, right if you're
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: actually trying to get them to invest in your freaking film.
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: So what we use that couple thousand dollars for was
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: seed money, and I mean that what we did is
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: we printed pitch packs. We you know, put a little
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: budget for travel, we put a little budget for food,
• 30:57
  Speaker 4: and we sort of use that for a money to
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: try and find more money. If that does that make sense?
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: So we didn't take the first five grand and like, hey,
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: here's our first five grand for the movie. We took
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: it as almost our money, and I had to give
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: ourselves a couple bucks not to lie to you, so
• 31:12
  Speaker 4: we could take a little time off work and actively
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: take two months right and look for money. So that's
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: what we did. And I think maybe that's a little
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: different than most people, you know, because I think some
• 31:23
  Speaker 4: people put the money away in the budget for the film,
• 31:26
  Speaker 4: but then how do they you know, how do they
• 31:29
  Speaker 4: fly out to get that meeting? How do they do
• 31:31
  Speaker 4: this or that? And I think talking to somebody in
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: person is infinitely always better when you're talking about finances.
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: You know, you can look them in the eye, they
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: can see your passions. It's real, it's tangible. You're dealing
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: with the human being, you know. And this is what happened.
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: This is how we got our executive producers. First off,
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: luck is a huge part of it. But obviously being
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: an army of freshmen, right, we had, you know, a
• 31:55
  Speaker 4: lot of connections in the music world. We were I
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: was friends with and very kind of casual friends. Obviously
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: now grown to be very close friends, but casual friends
• 32:05
  Speaker 4: with to if you can believe this. Theater producers in
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: the United Kingdom thet When I say theater, I mean theater,
• 32:13
  Speaker 4: you know, like musicals, like shows, right. And I know
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: that they have been friends with some other bands that
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: I that I was friends with, and I knew that
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: they were visiting the United States, and uh, you know
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: they kind of told me one say, if you ever
• 32:27
  Speaker 4: have some projects going on, just keep us posted, you
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: know that kind of thing. But basically I knew these
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: were people that were open to the arts, if that
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: makes sense, because they came from a theatrical background. So
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: I reached out to them because I knew they were
• 32:40
  Speaker 4: going to be in the United States. I said, hey,
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: I'd have this project I'd love to tell you about.
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: They said, hey, come on out. And this is completely true.
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: And this is where I talk about the seed money.
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: They were going to be in Disneyland and I live
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: in California, so they were going to be in the
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: you know Disney, the Disney in Florida. Right, So we
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: took we took the last money in the pot, right,
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: bought a plane ticket, bought a cheap motel six, got
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: the cheapest rental possible. Okay, and I flew out by
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: myself because we couldn't afford to bring rezor Aaron with me,
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: that's a co writer and the producer. And I met
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: them at Disneyland, and I sat down over lunch at
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: Disney right, and I told them what we were doing,
• 33:19
  Speaker 4: and I told them what we were trying to do.
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: And I told them we were looking for, you know,
• 33:23
  Speaker 4: executive producers and investor for the project. And I gave them,
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: you know, two budgets, you know. I gave them the
• 33:30
  Speaker 4: the not the ghetto backyard budget, but I gave them
• 33:33
  Speaker 4: our moderate and I gave them our ideal. And again
• 33:36
  Speaker 4: when I say ideal, it wasn't like, hey, millions more.
• 33:38
  Speaker 4: I'm talking like, hey, another twenty thousand dollars or something, right,
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: And they said, okay, well think about it, thanks for
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: talking to us, blah blah blah. And then about two
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: weeks later, I got an email saying that they're in.
• 33:49
  Speaker 4: They were down to be the lead investor, you know,
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: as long as we could find a couple other smaller
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: investors to you know, do it. And that was that
• 33:57
  Speaker 4: we were off and run. And literally that that is
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: the story of how we got our executive producers for
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: the project. And I have to say this because you
• 34:06
  Speaker 4: just you got to plug the people to help you, right.
• 34:08
  Speaker 4: Their names are Craig Beach and Teresa Beach, theatrical producers
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: over in the United Kingdom, and Dave. They were so awesome. Literally,
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: I tell other people about our executive producers and they're like,
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: they start crying because they can't believe it, because usually
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: the executive producers are, Hell, when's it getting released? When
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: are we getting our money? What's going on? How come
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: it's taken so long? Dave, we were doing a lot
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: of first time stuff and you know, we're new to it,
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: Like I mean, a regular investor probably would have, I
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: mean probably would have taken legal action against us because
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: things were taken so long. But we had such a
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: limited budget, we had to go really slow to make
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: things right. And we were a small team, so we
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: were very lucky that way. But what I would have
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: to say about that, if somebody's looking for advice, and man,
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: how'd I get my project filmed? Find a couple dollars
• 34:56
  Speaker 4: and almost use that as as I say, seed money,
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: but use it as the money that you're going to
• 35:03
  Speaker 4: use to try and find the investors. If that makes sense.
• 35:06
  Speaker 4: At all, almost like find a little bit of money
• 35:09
  Speaker 4: just to be able to give yourself a month or
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: two months to send emails all day and make phone
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: calls all day and connect dots like these are dots.
• 35:18
  Speaker 4: I wasn't in film where I just called up a
• 35:20
  Speaker 4: film producer and they said, I want to back your movie, right.
• 35:23
  Speaker 4: I was in music, and I knew somebody in music
• 35:26
  Speaker 4: that had been involved in some musicals in the UK,
• 35:28
  Speaker 4: so I knew they were involved in theatrical projects, right.
• 35:31
  Speaker 4: I have a bit of a relationship with them. So
• 35:33
  Speaker 4: it was outside the box. And I think in this
• 35:36
  Speaker 4: day and age, that's the only way to find money
• 35:40
  Speaker 4: for film unless you're one of the big daddies. And
• 35:42
  Speaker 4: I may be wrong, but unless you're a big daddy,
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: or unless your parents are filthy rich, which mine certainly
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: are not, you have to think outside the box. You
• 35:51
  Speaker 4: have to look in different places. So this small, tiny,
• 35:54
  Speaker 4: micro budget, raunchy indie comedy essentially was made and executive
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: produced by to theatrical producers in another country. So I
• 36:03
  Speaker 4: know that's a bit of a long story, but I
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: just want to stress that if someone's looking for money,
• 36:08
  Speaker 4: you've got to look in places where maybe people haven't
• 36:11
  Speaker 4: looked before theater people help make a movie as opposed
• 36:15
  Speaker 4: to movie people that are bitter, right and they've gone
• 36:18
  Speaker 4: down that road, they know how difficult it is for
• 36:20
  Speaker 4: indie film. Theater people actually found it more fascinating then
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: than actual film producers who we met with that just
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: rolled their eyes and said, good luck.
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: You know, that's an interesting strategy, Chris, you know, and
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: you know, I always am fascinated with how you know,
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: people have gotten their movie made. And you know, that
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: is an excellent point because you know, you're right, you
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: want to I mean checking out theater people and you
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: know what I mean, like they're not this is this
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: is new to them too, you know what I mean?
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: This is this is still cool to them. And if
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: you do get some film people, there's a lot of bitter,
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: burned out people in the film industry and they just
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: sort of go, oh, another film, blah blah blah. And
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: and that's why I try to be the difference that
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: you know, I'm always trying. I always try to stay
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: upbeat and positive. And you know, and it's the same
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: thing too, you know, for you know, everyone listening if
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: you're going to make a production staff or whatever crew
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: you have, make sure that they all believe in the
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: project and that no one is negative or bitter, because
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: that attitude spreads like a virus.
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: It's death. It's death. It's absolute death on set, it's
• 37:23
  Speaker 4: death in pre production. Just because somebody's too and just
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: because somebody has great gear, just because somebody has good
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: hookups or a good resume. I'm telling you, man, don't
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: fucking work with them. If you were Indy, find people
• 37:35
  Speaker 4: that are hungry and young and they want to kill
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: for it, like you, it's just not worth it. I mean,
• 37:41
  Speaker 4: I'd rather shoot on a lesser camera and have a
• 37:43
  Speaker 4: DP that's thrilled to be there. You know. I'd rather
• 37:46
  Speaker 4: have somebody that maybe's not on a TV show and
• 37:48
  Speaker 4: I found him in a theater program, but they're believing
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: in that character. They're becoming that character, because dude, that
• 37:54
  Speaker 4: jadedness is terrifying. And the great thing that we did
• 37:58
  Speaker 4: one of the key things to get the thing done,
• 38:00
  Speaker 4: because I'm Tony. We didn't have enough money to do it, Dave,
• 38:02
  Speaker 4: and we didn't have enough time to do it. We
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: didn't have enough people to do it, but we got
• 38:06
  Speaker 4: people that were stoked. We got our director, our producer
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: knew a guy that was doing a web series right,
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: didn't go to film school. Director by the name of
• 38:13
  Speaker 4: Ryan Ederer, right, had never done a feature, had never
• 38:16
  Speaker 4: done a TV show. We literally had just done web series, right,
• 38:21
  Speaker 4: And our producer, when he was looking for the director
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: for this, went to see him work on a web series.
• 38:25
  Speaker 4: They had mutual friends. And he said the director was
• 38:27
  Speaker 4: holding the boom mic and shouting instructions right, and also
• 38:32
  Speaker 4: running to get coffee for everybody. And he said, that's
• 38:35
  Speaker 4: when he knew this could be our guy, right, because
• 38:39
  Speaker 4: he was so passionate right over a little web series
• 38:43
  Speaker 4: that most likely no one's going to see. How passionate
• 38:46
  Speaker 4: would he be if he got to do a very
• 38:49
  Speaker 4: very small feature. So we met with him at a Denny's. Right.
• 38:52
  Speaker 4: You know, he actually reminds me of you, to be
• 38:54
  Speaker 4: quite frank, you know, because just because he's positive like that.
• 38:56
  Speaker 4: And he just said, guys, if you let me direct
• 38:58
  Speaker 4: this movie, all I wanted to do it was directive feature.
• 39:01
  Speaker 4: He said, I will quit my job. I'm a waiter
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: in la I will quit my job for pre production
• 39:08
  Speaker 4: and for the filming and for at least a solid
• 39:10
  Speaker 4: month after done, I will live on nothing, you know.
• 39:13
  Speaker 4: I mean, we gave them peanuts day pen. Everybody worked
• 39:17
  Speaker 4: for so cheap on this, But I think it was
• 39:19
  Speaker 4: we found the good people. But I also think they
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: believed in my passion, in Aaron's passion and resist passion.
• 39:24
  Speaker 4: I mean when I hunted down some of the cast,
• 39:26
  Speaker 4: which are some really super crazy cool stories, but dude,
• 39:29
  Speaker 4: I was coming to them with nothing, but I was
• 39:31
  Speaker 4: coming to them with passion, you know what I mean,
• 39:35
  Speaker 4: like please, you know, you know, just like, let's get
• 39:37
  Speaker 4: behind this if that makes sense and it appeals to
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: a certain type of person. Not everybody, dude, some people
• 39:42
  Speaker 4: blew me right off, right, but you'd be surprised some
• 39:45
  Speaker 4: of the cool little people you can pull because they're
• 39:48
  Speaker 4: just good people. At the end of the day, it's
• 39:50
  Speaker 4: getting to them. It's getting to them. It's all connections,
• 39:53
  Speaker 4: and it's all how do you get to that person?
• 39:56
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• 40:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, very very true. And uh when you said you're here,
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: reminded me. Uh, he reminded me of He reminded you
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: of me. I was gonna say, what is he a
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: five foot nine ginger like. But but it's the five.
• 40:19
  Speaker 4: Foot nine from five foot nine kid from Chicago.
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: Aha. Okay, yeah, yeah, I always like to uh I
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: always want to ask, but uh no. But all kidding aside, though,
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: you know, I agree completely man, you know, just going
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: back to that, you know, having that passionate people man
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: on set and and avoiding all that negativity because it
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: is it. It not only is a virus, it drains
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: everyone's energy, and it also causes a lot more conflict
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: with each other. And and you know, because I've been
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: on those sets, Chris, you know where all of a
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: sudden someone comes in They're like, oh, this is okay,
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: We'll get someone to be here. And then then you
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: have people who were just flat out like, oh I
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: don't I you know, I don't want to be here anyway.
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: This thing is gonna suck. Let me tell you about mine.
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: Let me I a real story. I was on a
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: film set one time, and this is years ago, when
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: I was just goofing around making a student film, and
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: I had this guy come on and all he did
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: all this he was he's my director's cinematography and he
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: came recommended by this other guy I know, and all
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: he did was tell everybody about his latest project. He could.
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: You could not stop him from talking about it. Between takes.
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: All he did he's like, you know what, this reminds
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: me of my my movieah blah blah blah. My Jesus Christ, Yo,
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: I got it. Dude, You're making a zombie film. Congradula, congratulations.
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: You know there's twenty five could trillion of them. Man,
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: you know, you know you can add.
• 41:32
  Speaker 4: You were still him on other projects and instead of
• 41:34
  Speaker 4: working on that project, all they do is talk about
• 41:36
  Speaker 4: their project. We had somebody like that show up and
• 41:37
  Speaker 4: I won't get into any details beyond that, but it
• 41:39
  Speaker 4: was just like, dude, you know, it's kind of like
• 41:41
  Speaker 4: he was kind of driving the director nuts because he
• 41:43
  Speaker 4: kept talking about the project that he was working on.
• 41:45
  Speaker 4: It's like, hey, man, you know, like that's awesome, dude,
• 41:48
  Speaker 4: stoke to help you. But we're fucking you know, we
• 41:50
  Speaker 4: got a day left of filming here. We you know,
• 41:52
  Speaker 4: we are making the tiniest movie of all time. Like
• 41:54
  Speaker 4: we don't have time for this, Like we just stay
• 41:56
  Speaker 4: on board here, man, call next week and we'll talk
• 41:58
  Speaker 4: about the zombie movie.
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: You know, yeah, yeah, exactly you know, And it's like,
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: if they had played their cards right, they could have
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: had an ally instead of just you know, boring everyone
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: to death, just going hey, man, by the way, my
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: own movie, like we got it, yeah, you know, we
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: got every you know ever, you know what I mean.
• 42:13
  Speaker 4: So when you're on set, you know, do the job
• 42:16
  Speaker 4: that you do, try and make connections. But but but
• 42:18
  Speaker 4: work hard on the job you do, because that's what
• 42:20
  Speaker 4: will really come through, especially in the indie setting. And
• 42:23
  Speaker 4: I'm telling you deep, there's so many good things aligned
• 42:26
  Speaker 4: up with this cast and the people involved. But you know,
• 42:28
  Speaker 4: we didn't get a lot of strangers. Reza was like, hey,
• 42:31
  Speaker 4: I want to work with this DP. I know, you know,
• 42:34
  Speaker 4: I got one or two stand ups that would be
• 42:36
  Speaker 4: great for these roles. Let's try them first. I got
• 42:38
  Speaker 4: an actor buddy that was in this other indie. I
• 42:40
  Speaker 4: did try him, and lo and behold. I look at
• 42:42
  Speaker 4: the cast. There's a hand field of people that we
• 42:44
  Speaker 4: got from open casting. And we had huge open casting.
• 42:47
  Speaker 4: We brought tons of people in, but I'd say seventy
• 42:50
  Speaker 4: five percent of that cast is a direct connection in
• 42:54
  Speaker 4: one way or another. It's probably only a handful of
• 42:56
  Speaker 4: people that we walk in and didn't know, and they
• 42:59
  Speaker 4: just kick so much. But we put them in. And
• 43:01
  Speaker 4: I think a lot of people like to work with
• 43:03
  Speaker 4: who they know, but there's a reality to that. So
• 43:06
  Speaker 4: it's good to make a lot of friendships and connections
• 43:08
  Speaker 4: because you got a better chance of getting thrown into
• 43:10
  Speaker 4: a film as an actor if you're a waiter with
• 43:13
  Speaker 4: the director who just got this small indie then just
• 43:16
  Speaker 4: going to an open casting call. I almost wonder if
• 43:18
  Speaker 4: it's even possible to do that anymore, to even get
• 43:20
  Speaker 4: in a movie just as a dude who walked in
• 43:23
  Speaker 4: a room. Hi, you don't know me. I'm here to
• 43:25
  Speaker 4: show you how awesome I am. Because in the back
• 43:27
  Speaker 4: of the head they're sitting there and they got their
• 43:29
  Speaker 4: buddy or their nephew, or their uncle or their neighbor
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: or you know, it's very incestuous and our movie was
• 43:35
  Speaker 4: no exception to that. But you trust those people. They
• 43:38
  Speaker 4: didn't screw us. You know, we had strange We have
• 43:40
  Speaker 4: one lady take us to sag because we canceled her
• 43:44
  Speaker 4: because we had to cut the role because we couldn't
• 43:46
  Speaker 4: film the scene. Dave, it was one hundred and fifty
• 43:49
  Speaker 4: dollars a roll and she contacted SAG and said, I
• 43:52
  Speaker 4: need to be paid because they canceled on the day up.
• 43:55
  Speaker 4: She hadn't even left her house yet, Dude, you know
• 43:57
  Speaker 4: what I mean. So will we ever work with her again?
• 44:00
  Speaker 4: Hell no, If we ever hear about her again, we'll
• 44:02
  Speaker 4: be like, dude, that fill in the blank literally cost
• 44:06
  Speaker 4: us one hundred and fifty dollars when we had nothing
• 44:08
  Speaker 4: in the bank because a role got cut. She wasn't
• 44:11
  Speaker 4: in the car, she wasn't on set, literally, she was
• 44:14
  Speaker 4: just waking up. And I said, I'm so, so so sorry.
• 44:16
  Speaker 4: But that just gives you an example of that type
• 44:18
  Speaker 4: of attitude can be deadly, you know. So I'm glad
• 44:21
  Speaker 4: she wasn't in it, because if somebody would do that
• 44:23
  Speaker 4: to a small, tiny little movie to get you one
• 44:24
  Speaker 4: hundred and fifty bucks, like, how would you have been
• 44:27
  Speaker 4: on set? You know? I just I just don't think
• 44:29
  Speaker 4: you can be positive enough, even if you're not a
• 44:31
  Speaker 4: positive person learned to be, because I don't think this
• 44:33
  Speaker 4: is the business for you if you're not ready to
• 44:35
  Speaker 4: really just be nothing but good energy.
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I concur you know. And the funny thing is,
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: when last time I casted for a film, I was
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: shooting in We did it the right way. We had
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: it at a studio. We had you know, we had
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: a we had two rooms, we had everything so and
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: we had a great audition room that was on an
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: elevated stage. And I had a rule, no, I am
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: going to cast everybody that I don't know. People people
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: got you know that I knew, got to go up there.
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: And I gave everyone a shot. Who I think even
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: had a remote shot. And we whole day and I
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: actually ended up casting everybody who I didn't know completely.
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: I had no friends, no family, nothing. Everybody was somebody
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: I didn't know. I was meaning for the first time.
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: Though all those people proved out to be right. Uh,
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: they were all great, great people except for I. Actually,
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: let me let me amend what I just said. There's
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: one person I hired based upon a producer who wanted him,
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: and I said, okay, I said, I will, I will
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: tell I will take a chanceless person. That person ended
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: up being the problem. Okay, Yeah, And that and that
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: was because I knew and I said, this is why
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: I wanted all fresh faces. But by the way, and
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: it's funny you mentioned about SAG because uh, this person
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: kept you know, as I didn't even I announce casting
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: and then I didn't even bother like you know what
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: I mean, Like my producers were on Facebook all the
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: time and I did, and you know at that point,
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: I you know, I have an on and off relationship
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: with Facebook. But anyways, doesn't dude, who doesn't? Oh my god,
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: the drama on Facebook? Like who needs this ship?
• 46:11
  Speaker 4: Honestlyious with the whole promoted post shit like isn't the
• 46:13
  Speaker 4: whole premise of Facebook is if somebody likes you, when
• 46:15
  Speaker 4: they click like that, they get to know about what
• 46:17
  Speaker 4: you're doing, and now you have to pay them to
• 46:19
  Speaker 4: let them know what you're doing. It's like ridiculous, dude.
• 46:22
  Speaker 4: It's like, you have like ten thousand followers and your
• 46:25
  Speaker 4: post reached five people, Like, well, what about the nine thousand,
• 46:28
  Speaker 4: five hundred and ninety nine five people that want to
• 46:31
  Speaker 4: know what I'm doing? And now I have to pay
• 46:33
  Speaker 4: you to do it. I almost feel like they invented that,
• 46:35
  Speaker 4: they made it awesome, and then once they had the
• 46:37
  Speaker 4: whole world on it, they decided to start getting fucking
• 46:41
  Speaker 4: paid and screw you. The whole purpose of this is
• 46:43
  Speaker 4: out the window. So I mean Facebook to me, is
• 46:46
  Speaker 4: I want it to go the way of my space.
• 46:48
  Speaker 4: Let it burn.
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: You know, it's like the mafia man. Anything you want
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: done on Facebook, you gotta pay for it.
• 46:53
  Speaker 4: Absolutely totally Facebook, the mafia of social media.
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: But I was just gonna just to finish that thought.
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: This guy, uh said, you know, hey, I would like
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: to like to try out and and and I like
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: to you know, for a role. And already I've been
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: warned about this guy. Real creepy dude, real sleeze bag. Well,
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: one of my producers says, listen, you know we're we'll
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: be casting soon enough, or we're crowdfunding right now. He
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: took us to SAG and said that we were trying
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: to make him pay to audition. Oh my god, and
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: SAG thankfully sided with us, and they said, no, they
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: did not say that. Blah blah blah. I told my producer,
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: I said, don't even talk to him. I said, I
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: told you about this guy. And then I mean that
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: caused the problem between us, and I mean all because
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: of this this really wormy guy.
• 47:41
  Speaker 4: It's bizarre. It's like there's people just like I always fear.
• 47:45
  Speaker 4: There's a lot of people in this world that I
• 47:47
  Speaker 4: would like to fucking tell the fuck off, right, But
• 47:49
  Speaker 4: I don't because I just feel that you burn bridges.
• 47:53
  Speaker 4: You never know what's going to occur, especially in a
• 47:57
  Speaker 4: business like this. Why do we did you ever? Even
• 48:00
  Speaker 4: somebody's a dick, Okay, they're a jerk. You're my homeboy, Dave.
• 48:03
  Speaker 4: I call you on this line, say, Dave, do not
• 48:05
  Speaker 4: work with Chuck Schmuccatello. He's terrible, Right, But why I
• 48:08
  Speaker 4: tell Chuck that he's a terrible person? Even in life?
• 48:11
  Speaker 4: I don't do that when I meet somebody that don't
• 48:13
  Speaker 4: like It's like, what's the point, dude, Like, why throw
• 48:15
  Speaker 4: that negative energy out there? I mean, it's just but
• 48:18
  Speaker 4: I just think people that do that in this business,
• 48:20
  Speaker 4: what are they fools? They don't think people talk. I mean,
• 48:22
  Speaker 4: it's just insanity, you know.
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: Oh dude, there was one time on Facebook that you know,
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: the Philly film scene. As we were talking the pre interview,
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: this guy gets on his Facebook tags a local producer
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: and says and says, Oh, this guy's a piece of shit,
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: fuck him, blah blah blah. And I'm sitting there and
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: I'm thinking this has to be a joke. I said,
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: because there's no way this guy is serious. They start
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: going back and forth all of our Facebook and the
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: one and the guy chimes back with, well, it's not
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: a good idea to make enemies with a producer.
• 48:53
  Speaker 4: Huh yeah.
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: And they're going back and this guy because the other
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: guy was an actor. They're going back and forth. Other
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: people are getting brought in, and I go, all these
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: people have just entered my blacklist, because I mean, I
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: would never want anything like this to happen.
• 49:05
  Speaker 4: Isn't the crazy dude? Like why, It's just there's a
• 49:07
  Speaker 4: lot of weird stuff out there, so obviously and I
• 49:09
  Speaker 4: were jumping all over the place. But the whole point
• 49:12
  Speaker 4: of that, to go back to the bet. The movie
• 49:14
  Speaker 4: that we made is man, we eliminated that, Dave. I mean,
• 49:18
  Speaker 4: it was awesome. If you would to go on this set,
• 49:21
  Speaker 4: you literally would be treated with so much kindness and respect.
• 49:24
  Speaker 4: And check this out. When we were doing auditions, I
• 49:26
  Speaker 4: would ask people that I was interested at the end
• 49:28
  Speaker 4: really got up. I literally even the girl who plays
• 49:31
  Speaker 4: our lead actress, who's gone on to do some really
• 49:33
  Speaker 4: cool stuff. I said, because I loved it. I thought
• 49:35
  Speaker 4: she was great, and I was just like, I have
• 49:36
  Speaker 4: one last question, like, are you a nice person? And
• 49:39
  Speaker 4: she was stunned, and she was just like, uh, what
• 49:42
  Speaker 4: do you mean, Like I don't know, just like we're
• 49:44
  Speaker 4: new to this, and you know, we're scared of like
• 49:46
  Speaker 4: the whole actress Hollywood reputation, Like we just want nice,
• 49:49
  Speaker 4: normal people. Like are you friendly, like in real life?
• 49:52
  Speaker 4: And she started laughing and she's like, yeah, yeah, I'm
• 49:54
  Speaker 4: friendly in real life.
• 49:57
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• 50:03
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• 50:06
  Speaker 4: But she was so stunned to hear that question, But
• 50:08
  Speaker 4: it came from a very honest place, you know, like
• 50:10
  Speaker 4: are you being real right now? Or are you being nice?
• 50:13
  Speaker 4: Because you want to get cast in this Like if
• 50:15
  Speaker 4: we're having lunch, can we talk to each other? Are
• 50:18
  Speaker 4: you going to be I don't want to be here.
• 50:20
  Speaker 4: I just did it. Get everything on my reel. I
• 50:22
  Speaker 4: got something better. Now I need to go be a
• 50:23
  Speaker 4: hot chick on the set of you know, the thirty
• 50:26
  Speaker 4: Rock I'd be bad example, but you know what I mean,
• 50:28
  Speaker 4: Like it was, I was so obsessed with making sure
• 50:31
  Speaker 4: that people were nice. I wanted them talented too. There's
• 50:34
  Speaker 4: a couple of people we passed on. I think that
• 50:35
  Speaker 4: could have maybe even helped the movie because they had
• 50:37
  Speaker 4: a bit of a name because I met him and
• 50:39
  Speaker 4: I was like, I got a bad feeling, man, I
• 50:41
  Speaker 4: got a bad feeling, like they're not going to take
• 50:43
  Speaker 4: this seriously. They wanted being bigger shit. I'd like those
• 50:46
  Speaker 4: people that are kind of bubbling, that are really hungry
• 50:48
  Speaker 4: and want to do good work. Because there was a
• 50:50
  Speaker 4: lot of like with the dads. We cast two professional wrestlers.
• 50:53
  Speaker 4: We cast a diamond Dallas Page and Jake the Snake Roberts,
• 50:55
  Speaker 4: which is a wild story, but we had a couple
• 50:59
  Speaker 4: of leads on. Some dads are more like character actors
• 51:01
  Speaker 4: and I won't say any names, but dudes that you
• 51:03
  Speaker 4: and I know, But there were these B movie dudes, Dave.
• 51:06
  Speaker 4: These dudes are like, yo, you give them five grand
• 51:09
  Speaker 4: a day, right, and they'll come and they'll barely know
• 51:12
  Speaker 4: the lines, but you can say, you've got the dude
• 51:15
  Speaker 4: from this TV show in it or the guy that
• 51:17
  Speaker 4: was in this movie, you know, and they just make
• 51:19
  Speaker 4: a living popping around these B movies. I even hear
• 51:22
  Speaker 4: one guy wore an earpiece and I'm like, what, that
• 51:24
  Speaker 4: guy's not even that big, But they're like, he wears
• 51:26
  Speaker 4: an earpiece and you feed him his lines, but hey,
• 51:30
  Speaker 4: you can give them five grand and then you can say,
• 51:32
  Speaker 4: so and so is the dad in your little tiny movie.
• 51:35
  Speaker 4: And I just thought that was so horrifying and kind
• 51:37
  Speaker 4: of sad too, But it's a reality, you know.
• 51:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I just I was just thinking right now,
• 51:45
  Speaker 3: a guy on set with an ear piece and someone
• 51:47
  Speaker 3: some some pa feedingum line, like and what does he say?
• 51:50
  Speaker 4: Like, you know, okay, mister so and so say this
• 51:53
  Speaker 4: one sad? You know, I miss you son, you know,
• 51:56
  Speaker 4: and he's just like, I miss you. I mean, imagine
• 51:58
  Speaker 4: editing around that. I mean, imagine making sure the dude's
• 52:00
  Speaker 4: hair covers the ear piece. And that's a reality that
• 52:03
  Speaker 4: a filmmaker would do because hey, at least he's got
• 52:07
  Speaker 4: some type of name. So on the stupid cover, we
• 52:09
  Speaker 4: can put featuring the dude from I'm trying to think
• 52:14
  Speaker 4: of a TV show, you know what I mean, but
• 52:15
  Speaker 4: featuring the dude from you know, you see them, Davey.
• 52:19
  Speaker 4: You know, I don't have to do as you see
• 52:21
  Speaker 4: those guys that just they're like, why are they in
• 52:23
  Speaker 4: so many B movies where they just take the five
• 52:25
  Speaker 4: grand a day and that's that and then people cram
• 52:28
  Speaker 4: their scenes in one day because they can't afford him
• 52:29
  Speaker 4: for two days. You know, it's crazy, man.
• 52:32
  Speaker 3: You know, my favorite dad who's actually starting B movies
• 52:37
  Speaker 3: was is Michael Gross from Family Ties? Where's he's in Tremors?
• 52:41
  Speaker 3: And I actually know somebody who's worked with him and
• 52:43
  Speaker 3: he says, no, Michael's not like that at all. Michael
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: actually shows up. He still works hard. He's the nicest guy.
• 52:49
  Speaker 4: And I said, I hasn't done more. I actually thought
• 52:51
  Speaker 4: he was a really good actor. Like, is he still around? Oh?
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's still around. He just released Tremors five with
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: him and Jamie Kennedy.
• 52:58
  Speaker 4: Wow, Wow, dude, great name great. That's a hell of
• 53:02
  Speaker 4: a poll right there. Dude, that's that's somebody that's just
• 53:04
  Speaker 4: seems like a good actor. I bet he's a good dude.
• 53:06
  Speaker 4: You know. That's when when that's an interesting one, you
• 53:08
  Speaker 4: forget about people like that. There's so many of them
• 53:10
  Speaker 4: floating around out there. It's it's got to be brutal, dude,
• 53:13
  Speaker 4: I mean, to be an actor has just got to
• 53:15
  Speaker 4: be tough.
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely. And you know I have friends who are
• 53:19
  Speaker 3: actors and we're always going back and forth about you know, auditioning, casting,
• 53:23
  Speaker 3: and stuff like this, and you know, because you know,
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: you know how it is Chris, because some people know, hey, Dave,
• 53:27
  Speaker 3: you know, what's this director like I'm going to work with?
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: And I say, you know, he's you know, he's pretty
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: no nonsense and you know, blah blah blah. This one's
• 53:35
  Speaker 3: you know, real, you know, fast and loose, just likes
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: to have fun. So you know what I mean. It's
• 53:40
  Speaker 3: just stuff like that, you know, And and it's most
• 53:43
  Speaker 3: And I would never recommend anybody like we were just
• 53:45
  Speaker 3: talking about. I would never recommend anybody who I wasn't
• 53:47
  Speaker 3: one hundred percent confident in, you know what I mean,
• 53:49
  Speaker 3: And I mean that that really is critical, you know.
• 53:51
  Speaker 3: And I would, by the way, I would love to
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: work with Michael Gross someday. I think I've not only
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: heard good things about him, but I heard you know,
• 53:59
  Speaker 3: I still I love thing. He's in all the Treumor's movies.
• 54:01
  Speaker 3: He makes those Tremors movies.
• 54:03
  Speaker 4: And plus, if he ever writes an autobiography, he already
• 54:05
  Speaker 4: has the greatest title ever, Just a Gross Life. And
• 54:08
  Speaker 4: it's just in on the front looking sad, you know,
• 54:12
  Speaker 4: just covered in blood or tremor of a gravel totally.
• 54:16
  Speaker 3: So, you know, Chris, as we know, as we're talking
• 54:18
  Speaker 3: about the bet, I wanted to ask, and I always
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: ask this to to any filmmakers, what was the biggest challenge,
• 54:24
  Speaker 3: Whether it was a day, whether it was a specific incident,
• 54:27
  Speaker 3: you know, what was the you know, the biggest obstacle
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: you had to overcome while you were making this thing.
• 54:32
  Speaker 4: During during filming, or during the whole process. During filming okay,
• 54:37
  Speaker 4: during filming, okay, because we filmed over thirteen days, you know,
• 54:40
  Speaker 4: we shot in thirteen days, all in the city of Ventura.
• 54:43
  Speaker 4: The most difficult thing was during filming. The most difficult
• 54:48
  Speaker 4: thing was the wearing of the different hats because we
• 54:52
  Speaker 4: were so small that Aaron and I were the set dressers, right,
• 54:56
  Speaker 4: Aaron and I were the the wardrobe dudes. Aaron and
• 55:01
  Speaker 4: I were the prop guys. Aaron and I were the
• 55:04
  Speaker 4: go get the catering guys. And Aaron and I were
• 55:07
  Speaker 4: also the oh geez, we were. I mean, we were
• 55:11
  Speaker 4: so much. We were so much and it was too
• 55:13
  Speaker 4: many hats. The lesson that I learned hopefully, when we
• 55:17
  Speaker 4: make our next one. Oh actually I just thought positive,
• 55:19
  Speaker 4: when we make our next one next year, right, The
• 55:22
  Speaker 4: key thing I think would be is you just can't
• 55:25
  Speaker 4: have enough of those assistants. Not people to beat up
• 55:28
  Speaker 4: or bully or make you go get coffee, you know
• 55:30
  Speaker 4: what I mean, but just somebody there with you, like, hey,
• 55:34
  Speaker 4: like this is kind of my guy, you know what
• 55:36
  Speaker 4: I mean, Like, you know, Hey, I'm just gonna make
• 55:38
  Speaker 4: this up. But Steve, Steve, you're with me, Ryan, You're
• 55:41
  Speaker 4: with Aaron. Yo. We'll treat you great, nothing but love.
• 55:44
  Speaker 4: But we just needed sec a set of hands that
• 55:46
  Speaker 4: you're always with me, almost like give me two extra arms.
• 55:49
  Speaker 4: You know, we're gonna be doing some fun stuff, you know.
• 55:51
  Speaker 4: But we just bid off more than we could choose,
• 55:53
  Speaker 4: so it was hard to focus on that. And then
• 55:55
  Speaker 4: I was also picking up wrestlers at airports, and we
• 55:58
  Speaker 4: also had other people helping with this. Dave, I want
• 56:00
  Speaker 4: you to think it was just four people making this movie, right,
• 56:02
  Speaker 4: but we just thought we could do more. I wanted
• 56:06
  Speaker 4: to be on set more, dude. You know, I wanted
• 56:08
  Speaker 4: to be sitting there watching it. And you know, as
• 56:10
  Speaker 4: the writer and co producer, I wanted to be watching
• 56:12
  Speaker 4: the actual movie get made. And I spent fifty percent
• 56:15
  Speaker 4: of that movie not on set but setting up the
• 56:18
  Speaker 4: set or picking people up or picking up food because
• 56:21
  Speaker 4: we were so small, you know, So I guess, I
• 56:23
  Speaker 4: guess the most difficult thing was wearing too many hats.
• 56:26
  Speaker 4: You got to find a way to find more people
• 56:28
  Speaker 4: to help with the hats, but you have to trust them,
• 56:30
  Speaker 4: and I really and don't trust many people. I had
• 56:33
  Speaker 4: a vision of how every room should look. I had
• 56:35
  Speaker 4: a vision of I knew the relationships with the restaurants
• 56:38
  Speaker 4: that were doing the catering, So how can I send
• 56:40
  Speaker 4: somebody when I need to be the one that goes
• 56:41
  Speaker 4: in there And it's Chris's face that they know, and
• 56:44
  Speaker 4: that's why they're giving them a bunch of tacos. So
• 56:46
  Speaker 4: it was just that, you know, I think you can
• 56:49
  Speaker 4: wear too many hats, and sometimes that can probably be
• 56:51
  Speaker 4: the death of small movies. But again, we had a
• 56:53
  Speaker 4: lot of good people around us, so that to me
• 56:55
  Speaker 4: was the most difficult thing. I should have trimmed a
• 56:57
  Speaker 4: couple things off the list that I was responsible for,
• 57:00
  Speaker 4: but we wanted to take that money, Dave and put
• 57:02
  Speaker 4: it in other places. And I think that's why our
• 57:04
  Speaker 4: movie Hopefully when you see it, hopefully you'll like it
• 57:06
  Speaker 4: and find it funny. But I think you'll see man
• 57:09
  Speaker 4: for the budget. Damn, these guys did a good job
• 57:11
  Speaker 4: of making this stuff look legit, you know. And I
• 57:13
  Speaker 4: think that's because we put money. We saved money in
• 57:17
  Speaker 4: certain places where other places would get trailers right, or
• 57:20
  Speaker 4: other places would hire a catering company, or where other
• 57:22
  Speaker 4: places would pay for food, or other places would hire
• 57:25
  Speaker 4: a set dresser. We did all of that, you know,
• 57:29
  Speaker 4: and that really I think made things difficult but made
• 57:32
  Speaker 4: us to make a movie that's better.
• 57:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, that is something I always talk about
• 57:38
  Speaker 3: with filmmakers, is there's a tendency to read something like
• 57:41
  Speaker 3: Robert Riguez's film with a filmmaker without a crew, or
• 57:44
  Speaker 3: even like The Rebels Guide by Stu Makowitz, and it's
• 57:48
  Speaker 3: almost like, and I've done this to myself. It's almost
• 57:51
  Speaker 3: as if we're trying to be a one man crew
• 57:53
  Speaker 3: and it ends up hurting you more than helping you.
• 57:55
  Speaker 3: And I completely understand Chris, when you're talking about putting
• 57:57
  Speaker 3: that money elsewhere. That's what I've always thought, too, is
• 58:00
  Speaker 3: you know, why should I have You know, I can
• 58:02
  Speaker 3: be the camera operator and the cinematographer and the and
• 58:05
  Speaker 3: the boom mic operator, and I'll edit this thing and
• 58:09
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean, and I'll be the colorist.
• 58:11
  Speaker 4: I'll do Follward just speak because you can, should you?
• 58:14
  Speaker 4: That's the question exactly. Yeah.
• 58:16
  Speaker 3: So that's why when when I when I make movies
• 58:18
  Speaker 3: from now on, I always just want to be the writer,
• 58:20
  Speaker 3: the director, and the producer. And even that's a lot.
• 58:23
  Speaker 4: Even, yeah, that's a lot, dude, that's a lot. I
• 58:25
  Speaker 4: think the writer is the easiest one of the bunch
• 58:27
  Speaker 4: because your work's kind of done, Like, what are you
• 58:29
  Speaker 4: going to do on set? Maybe catch a line that
• 58:30
  Speaker 4: you want done a little different? It's you know what
• 58:33
  Speaker 4: I'm saying, Like, I think you can handle being like
• 58:35
  Speaker 4: but it sounds like, yeah, I'm not certain. I'm not
• 58:37
  Speaker 4: going to tell you how to do it, but you're right.
• 58:39
  Speaker 4: I mean, you just wear so many hats because you can.
• 58:41
  Speaker 4: But then again, at the end, the hardest part, the
• 58:43
  Speaker 4: hardest part of the whole movie, forget the filming, filming
• 58:45
  Speaker 4: was awesome, is post production. We were not prepared, We
• 58:49
  Speaker 4: were not ready. We ran out of money. Tech issue
• 58:52
  Speaker 4: after tech issue after tech issue after tech issue, to
• 58:55
  Speaker 4: the point of, uh, the film is out upon really
• 59:00
  Speaker 4: this podcast right came out today. I believe, so the
• 59:02
  Speaker 4: film can be seen blah blah blah. But I'm talking
• 59:04
  Speaker 4: to you a couple of days before we release it, right,
• 59:07
  Speaker 4: let's be honest. So our premiere is in Los Angeles
• 59:10
  Speaker 4: in forty eight hours, and we just just got the
• 59:15
  Speaker 4: blu ray completed to show it, because the poor producer
• 59:19
  Speaker 4: and director spent the past ten days doing program after
• 59:23
  Speaker 4: program after recording after program to burn a freaking blue ray.
• 59:29
  Speaker 4: I mean, like, that's what we're talking about, and it's
• 59:31
  Speaker 4: tech tech tech. Tech tech has been a complete nightmare
• 59:34
  Speaker 4: for something like this because we haven't had the money
• 59:36
  Speaker 4: to have a real proper post production team, and it
• 59:38
  Speaker 4: really made things take a long time and was really
• 59:41
  Speaker 4: was brutal. Man. So I would say tech is the
• 59:43
  Speaker 4: hardest part of it, which is funny because it's the
• 59:45
  Speaker 4: first thing you and I said when we got on
• 59:46
  Speaker 4: the phone in the pre interview.
• 59:47
  Speaker 3: You know, yeah, absolutely, And you know, I'm so glad
• 59:51
  Speaker 3: though that everything has worked out, honestly, man, because I honestly, Chris,
• 59:55
  Speaker 3: because I hear so many you know, independent films.
• 1:00:00
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• 1:00:06
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• 1:00:09
  Speaker 3: You know, they have a budget whatever that budget might be,
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 3: and they get to like seventy five percent done, eighty
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 3: percent done, and all of a sudden they have to
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 3: stop for whatever reason, you know what I mean. And
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 3: there are so many movies in the philadelph especially in
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 3: the Philadelphia area where you know where I am, where
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 3: I've you know, I've been a part of films like
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 3: that where I've been an actor for him, or I've
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 3: helped that and crew or something, and all of a sudden,
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 3: you know, they're like, oh, yeah, that movie's on some
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 3: guy's hard drive and we're probably never going to finish it.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah totally. And how sad is that?
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 4: Is there anything more sad in the world than that? Man?
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 4: I mean, like you know that heart and soul and blood,
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 4: sweat and tears and it's just gone, like oh man,
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 4: I mean, I'd be devastated, dude. We were devastated how
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 4: long post production was taking. And at one point I
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 4: had I was never going to give into the vision,
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 4: but there was a vision of is this going to
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 4: be one of these things you know what I'm saying, like,
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 4: is this going to be one of these things that
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 4: can't get done because we ran out of money. That
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 4: was a real tough time, you know, I mean, post
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 4: productions took a long time, and man, it's depressing. It's
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 4: kind of scary, Like, oh my god, Like, you know,
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 4: what are the investors going to I mean, I'm being
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 4: honest with you because it's a filmmaking podcast, right, but like,
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 4: what are the investors going to do if we if
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 4: we can't pull this off? What happens to the footage?
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 4: What happens to our reputations? I mean, like, so we
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 4: just stayed in the pocket. But I mean the amount
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 4: of work. My god, Dave, if you could have told
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 4: me ahead of the time, I would have done it,
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 4: of course, But geez, what I questioned my sanity, you know,
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 4: because I mean I've basically remained in poverty just to
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 4: get this thing done because I can only work part
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 4: time because I need to spend the rest of the
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 4: time working on the movie. Man. I mean, it's god,
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 4: is it a labor of love. I just have such
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 4: a deep respect for people that make movies. Now, I
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 4: will never shit on a movie. I may not like it,
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 4: but an indie film, I'll shit on the studio ones
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 4: all day, you know, But I will never shit on
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 4: an indie film again. And when I say indy, let's
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 4: talk about real indies. Dude. I'm not talking about a
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 4: million dollar indie with Daniel Radcliffe being a guy who
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 4: farts as a corpse. I'm talking about, like, you know,
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 4: I'm talking about like, hey, you made a movie for
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 4: one hundred thousand dollars. You made a movie for one
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 4: hundred and fifty, you made a move for seventy five. Basically,
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 4: you pull off a movie for under one hundred and
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 4: fifty thousand dollars, and you have my respect forever, you know.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And I agree completely. And by the way, Swith's
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 3: Army Man. Somebody told me the premise of that movie
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 3: and I thought they were joking around, and then I
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 3: saw a trailer and I was like, oh okay, I said,
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 3: you know, Chris, I've seen so many weird movies over
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 3: the years. At this point, I'm like, you know what,
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 3: I'll take a gamble on this one too.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Cool, Good for you, man, good for you. Maybe.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 4: I mean, honestly, it'd probably be like a freaking masterpiece, right,
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 4: It'd probably be like the most important film made in years,
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 4: you know, So good for them. You gotta respect somebody
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 4: doing something different, you know, you have to. But people
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 4: are telling me like it's this new indie. Get the fuck.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 4: I ain't nothing indie about a movie with those two
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 4: guys in it, Like, come on, you know, the CGI
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 4: alone when he rides them through the ocean probably costs
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 4: like one hundred thousand dollars. You know, you and I
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 4: could have made five short for that, you know.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, seriously. I mean, and I believe I understand
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 3: completely what you're saying, Chris and I and you know,
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 3: because I mean, I've made movies for literally nothing, just
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 3: everyone doing it for the love of the game. And
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 3: I've made things for like twenty five thirty forty thousand dollars,
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 3: and you're like, holy crap, it sounds like a lot
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 3: of money when I started, and now it's like down
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 3: to nothing.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, it's man, it's just a it's it's
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 4: a mind blowing business man. I got a lot of
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 4: respect for you guys that do this and love it
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 4: and breathe it because it's so hard to get it done.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 4: I mean, what other thing can you name that you
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 4: just can't do? Right? If I want to be a
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 4: pro baseball player, probably not going to happen. But damn it.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 4: I can play baseball every day in my life, right,
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 4: I can get in an inn and real league. I
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 4: can play and fill in the blank with anything else. Music. Okay,
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 4: maybe I'm not going to be you know, I'll give
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 4: you bon job reference and you're that part of the world.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 4: I'm not going to be bon Jovi. But I can
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 4: still write a song. I can still find a little
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 4: coffee house open mic, and I can play it for people.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 4: But you just can't make a film. Okay, you can
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 4: grab your iPhone, of course, I'm not saying you can
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 4: do that, but do you know what I mean, an
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 4: actual full length feature film. You just can't do it.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 4: There's a million hurdles, there's all these people. I don't know.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 4: I just think it's just such a such an undertaking
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 4: to go down that road that I just support anybody man, like,
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 4: just awesome, hell, it's great. How can I help you?
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 4: You know, what do you need? Because you're about to
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 4: go to war? Like you are about to go to war,
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 4: and it doesn't end in the filming. You know, here
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 4: I am two years later finally releasing the thing and
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 4: the distribution you're dealing with and doing the premiere and
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 4: doing the press and you're all doing I mean, dude,
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 4: I mean, I'm just again. You are talking to me
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 4: at a time where my head's spinning, so you're probably
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 4: getting a very emotional version of me. If we talk
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 4: in three months, we could probably have a very relaxed
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 4: So Chris, how did it happen? Well, Dave, this happened,
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 4: you know, But I'm in the midst of like, ah,
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 4: but it's an exciting one and I asked for this
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 4: and I'm pumped up and we're proud of it too. Man.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 4: You know, it's a big life goal and a huge accomplishment,
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 4: you know.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, oh, absolutely, Chris. And you know, I mean, I've
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 3: been there before too, and I completely understand where you're
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 3: coming from, dude. And honestly, Chris, you should be proud
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 3: of the bet movie. And now you're gonna you're probably
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 3: at that phase where you know, at the end you
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 3: were probably you know, you're drained, You've given everything you
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 3: can and you're like, you know what, I've made one movie.
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 3: That's it, goodbye, And then you know, about a month
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 3: or two later, you're like, man, I should maybe make
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 3: a nun It's.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 4: Funny you say that, Dave. While we were waiting for
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 4: post production to happen, and we were kind of had
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 4: the post production blues, right and trying to find some
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 4: more money. Right, What we did is we run another script.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 4: Aaron and I learned so much. We said, let's take
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 4: this education, let's write another one man. And you know,
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 4: it's so funny. You know, you always you get better.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 4: But we had so much on set experience in this
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 4: whole process. I kind of feel like we went to
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 4: film school without going to film school, right, And and
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 4: I'm sure film school people were like, fuck, idiot, No,
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 4: you didn't know. It's true, I don't know the difference
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 4: between this brand of camera this brand of camera. Right.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 4: But we wrote this next script more very excited about it.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 4: We actually want to shoot it next year in South
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 4: Jersey and your neck of the woods. And it was
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 4: so cool because we got to write a script knowing
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 4: what it's like to make a movie. Now we know
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 4: what we need, now we know do you can't write
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 4: that scene that's ridiculous, It'll get cut. So it got
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 4: to be very focused. And that's just the education that
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 4: comes with time that guys like you have. But it
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 4: was very exciting to put that into play. And if
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 4: this movie does well, you know, your hope is that
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 4: it opens the door for another executive producer, or the
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 4: same executive producers, or just more connections in the business
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 4: to back this and get behind another one. But I
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 4: definitely learned we need more money. If we want to
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 4: make the type of movie we made, We're not going
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 4: to be able to do it on that budget. Again,
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 4: We're going to need to find a couple more bucks.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 4: You got to move up the ladder a little bit, right,
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 4: You can't go in the opposite direction.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, It's just like what Dov Simon says. You know,
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 3: you get to make a twenty thousand dollars movie, then
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 3: you make a fifty thousand dollars movie, then you make
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 3: one hundred and some one thousand, and then all of
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 3: a sudden, you're making million dollar movies. You know what
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 3: I mean? I think actually I think he starts off
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 3: with his paradigm. You make you make a movie for nothing, literally,
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 3: it's just your friends, whatever, and then you have to
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 3: make a movie for like ten grand or five grand,
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 3: and and then you move up, you know, sporadically. But yeah,
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 3: but I could, I know exactly where you're coming from,
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 3: because that's what I mean. That's what I've always said too,
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 3: is you know, people ask me about making stuff, why
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 3: haven't made anything like four or five years? And my
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 3: answer is is because I'm an idiot and I write
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 3: things and I go, holy shit, I would never be
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 3: able to even using all my methods that I talk
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 3: about in this podcast, even having all the people who
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 3: who've talked to me and saying, look, what do you
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 3: have access to? What can you make today with it?
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 3: With all you have access to, I end up writing
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 3: stuff that I'm like, dude, I look at one effect
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 3: and I'm like, this thing would cost fifty grand, right,
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 3: look at this, this would goes you know, I mean,
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 3: I mean, but then again, Chris, you know, I don't
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 3: know if I don't know if you ever listened to
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 3: this other couple of the podcasts, But I mean, I'm
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 3: the guy who was able to get a live working
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 3: tank and also able to get fake police cars to destroy,
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 3: and we and it wasn't that that. It wasn't you know,
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 3: we couldn't make it because not because we couldn't find
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 3: the tank and the police carps to destroy, but because
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 3: me and uh the director couldn't get along, so it
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 3: was a very odd I love it.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 4: So therefore your biography should be I found the tank once,
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 4: the Dave Ballist story, you know.
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and and I actually because I have a
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 3: friend of mine who's a mechanic. He uh had he
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 3: has a contract with police. The police department had all
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 3: the old police parts. We were going to doctor up
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 3: all these old junkers to look like police cars from
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 3: just one side and then run a tank over them.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 3: And we had and I got everything all squared away.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 3: And I mean, the director connected, Wow.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 4: That's crazy. But but now he's a tank and that
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 4: you found a tank, that's the important thing, you know.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 3: Yep, he's my tank guy from now on, this guy guy.
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 4: I love it. Hey, at least you have a tank guy.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 4: A lot of people don't have that either. I love it.
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I got two things going for me. I had
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 3: a pro wrestling match and I and I have a
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 3: tank guy. So that's it.
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 4: I think for most people that's enough, you know what
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 4: I mean? Like you know, you know, even on your
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 4: tombstone like here lies Dave Ballis, he had one pro
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 4: wrestling match and one time he found a tank. I mean,
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 4: everybody's gonna take a picture of that tombstone. That's gonna be.
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 3: Plastic it up as I'm buried in a what is
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 3: it the piano crate, But I just become like Marlon Brando.
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 3: I just eat myself into like an early grave.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 4: It'd be worse.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 3: We just took a very dark turn there. But Chris
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 3: I wanted to ask, where can people find the BET movie?
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 4: Act?
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 4: Absolutely so the BET as of right now is officially out.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 4: I think it's actually comes out today on the day
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 4: of airing. From July twenty sixth on, it is on
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 4: Shouldn't Be, should be on all VOD outlets like Time Warners,
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 4: movies on demand, Comcast Movies on demand, you know, direct
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 4: TV movies on demand, and of course iTunes. That's kind
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 4: of the de facto place and that's probably the first
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 4: place I would send somebody to look for it on iTunes.
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 4: But it'll also be available for around on Xbox.
• 1:10:00
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• 1:10:06
  Speaker 5: and now back to the show.
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 4: PlayStation, Fandango, now Voodoo, so basically all the digital outlets,
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 4: the VOD outlets, and then we'll be doing a DVD
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 4: at the end of August and then god willing fingers
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 4: crossed conversation for another time, we land on Netflix or
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 4: Hulo Hulu with the streaming deal. So that's a plan.
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 4: But right now, if you want to see this movie,
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 4: if you like comedy, if you like silly movies, if
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 4: you like professional wrestling, if you just want to see
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 4: what a bunch of psychotic, ambitious dudes made on a
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 4: small budget, you know, check it out. This one came
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 4: from the heart. Man. It's a silly movie. It's a
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 4: wild movie. It's a wacky movie. It's certainly not for everybody.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 4: It's not high browed, Dave, but you know, in a
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 4: weird way, it came from all the right places. You know,
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  Speaker 4: it came from good people that worked really hard against
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 4: a lot of odds. And you know, I think, as
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 4: any indie filmmaker, regardless of the content, it's a type
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 4: of movie you want to download, buy at once, and
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 4: support it because you know, I think a lot of
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 4: people can relate to the struggle. Man. You know, it
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 4: is real, and it's always cool when somebody cracks through
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 4: and gets it out there. We'll see what happens. Man,
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 4: I don't know what's going to happen. But it's exciting.
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 4: It's exciting to find out, you know.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and by the way, I meant to mention, this
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 3: is Robby Roddy Piper's last.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 4: Movie, right, Yes, it's a final appearance of Roddy Roddy Piper.
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 4: He has a cameo in the film, so it is small.
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 4: But that was one of the great joys in my
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 4: life was having Roddy Piper in my own house hanging out.
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 4: We got to spend a wonderful day together. We really bonded.
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 4: We actually became friends from the whole project and kept
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 4: in touch. So you know, when we lost him, that
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 4: was you know, it kind of affected me a little bit.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 4: It was strange to have made friends with a hero
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 4: like that and then worked with him on this and
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 4: started to talk to him about other projects, and just
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 4: as quickly as he came in my life, he left.
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  Speaker 4: But it's a real honor to me. If if the
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 4: only thing that this movie becomes known for historically that's
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 4: a stretch of a word, but is if it's known,
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 4: oh that was that last movie that Roddy popped in
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 4: for a couple of minutes. Fine by me Man, Fine
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 4: by Me I'm honored to be the guy that made
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 4: Roddy Piper's last movie.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, And honestly, even if I if I didn't know you, Chris,
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 3: I honestly I would have actually bought the movie just
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 3: to see his last performance. I was, you know, being
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 3: a wrestling fan of a huge Piper fan as well,
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 3: and that I think that is so freaking cool. So
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 3: to be able to say on your on your you know,
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 3: on your eulogy, that can say, hey, Chris, you know
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 3: Chris j He he was able to hing out with
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  Speaker 3: Roddy Piper and he made the Bet Movie.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, there you go. That's it, man, That's all I
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 4: got going for.
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  Speaker 3: Me, you know.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 4: And of course, if anybody's listening, if they want to
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 4: follow us online, you can go to the Betmovie twenty
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 4: sixteen dot com. From there you can connect to our Facebook,
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 4: our Twitter, our Instagram. We're trying to have fun with
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 4: the marketing, Dave. We're really trying to get a little
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 4: cult buzz on this. It's for comedy fans, it's for
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 4: wrestling fans. We got some talented people in it, man.
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 4: You know, our two lead actors, A Manda Clayon is
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 4: going to be in a Martin Scorsese movie. At the
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 4: end of the year. She's on a Tyler Perry show.
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 4: Right now, our lead actor has a small role in
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 4: Guardians of the Galaxy too. So you're gonna see some
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 4: faces in here that I truly believe in my heart.
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 4: In the next year or two, you're going to see
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 4: a lot more of And I think we just took
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 4: casting so seriously that, you know, hopefully it's one of
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 4: those films that gains momentum as it goes to Netflix.
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 4: As people see it, they're like, hey, man, I saw
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 4: this movie and it's kind of wild, but it's actually funny.
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 4: I like to think it's kind of I don't know,
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 4: you know, I think it's a funny movie. You don't
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 4: make a comedy to not make people laugh, and that
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 4: was our goal. You know.
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 3: I'm glad you actually brought that up. If you have
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 3: the time. I had some fan questions coming through Twitter. Yeah, sure, okay,
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 3: So one of them, it actually is, if there was
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 3: one thing that you wanted the audience to take away
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 3: from your film, what would that be.
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 4: Somebody's got to write dick and fart jokes? Why not me?
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  Speaker 3: The second question is what cameras, did you shoot all?
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 3: And did you shoot in four K?
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 4: We shot on an Alexa, which we were very lucky
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 4: to get, so it looks awesome. And then we did
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 4: one or two pickup shots with a red that was
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 4: attached to a drone and the guy that let us
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 4: use it basically ran around and followed it underneath in
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 4: terror because he was ready to catch it if it fell.
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 3: And so you shot, you didn't shoot in four K?
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 4: You know? I mean, that's how not technical I am
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 4: on being completely blunt with you, Dave, I'm not sure.
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 4: I just know that we had the Alexa camera that
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 4: everybody was super excited and it looked great, especially when
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 4: we put that color on it. It's like, man, this
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 4: looks like a real movie quote unquote.
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 3: You know, it's uh. By the way, as you you know,
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 3: go through this wonderful world of filmmaking. By the way,
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 3: that's the number one question you will always ask from
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 3: now every time you make a film, every other filmmaker
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 3: is going to ask you this question. What did you
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 3: shoot it on?
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 4: What did you shoot it on?
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 3: Yep, that will be the cool de facto question. And
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 3: you know they're a filmmaker because non filmmaking people don't
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 3: give two flying fucks what you shoot on. They you
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 3: could shoot it on a cardboard box. No, you can say, hey,
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 3: I shot up with my iPhone. Oh that's cool. What
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 3: they're every filmmaking persons and say, hey, would you shoot
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 3: that on?
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 4: Okay? Okay? I just sent a text to find out
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 4: so in the future I won't look like a goog.
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 3: Goob. It's cool, I believe me, man I you know
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 3: it's all good with me. You know because every time
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 3: that I've every film. If you go to a film festival,
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 3: a film networking thing and you show a film, would
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 3: you shoot that on? Okay? Would you shoot them? That's everybody.
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 3: Everyone loves to ask that question. But but but I
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 3: just think that's how I can tell if you're a film,
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 3: if you're in the industry or not, because non industry
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 3: people won't even mention it.
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 5: Uh huh.
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 3: But but yeah, Chris, I I want to say thank
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 3: you so much for coming on. Uh. And I want
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 3: to ask where people find you out online?
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah, if people want to see what I'm up to
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 4: and all that fun stuff, the best place is probably
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 4: on Twitter. And it's just at Army of Freshman that's
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 4: the name of the band, and that's right kind of
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 4: put my all my personal stuff, you know. And uh,
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 4: I got the text message. So I'm a professional filmmaker.
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 3: Now, Dave you ready, Yeah, I'm ready read.
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 4: You're ready ready? I said, we shot on an Alexa
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 4: camera and it said, uh at the time, Alexa didn't
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 4: shoot four. We shot on a two? Does that okay?
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 4: So two k two k okay, that's what I want
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 4: to say in Alexa two k okay? Good? Is that
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 4: a good thing, Dave? Or a bad thing?
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 3: And that's that's fun honestly, man.
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 4: You know that's when should have hung up on me.
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 4: That would be a great end of this conversation. What
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 4: a fuck, you know, That's how I.
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 3: Ended up most conversations. What a fun? Uh but uh
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 3: but basically, you know, everyone only only has tenndy uh
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 3: Tennandy monitors, TVs, tablets, phones, So I mean, you know,
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 3: this whole thing about shooting two four eight, you know,
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 3: it's I don't know, really know if it matters at
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 3: the end of the day. I you know, I think
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 3: it's a great thing. Honestly. If you I think we're
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 3: ways away from shooting everyone shooting in four K and
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 3: being able to enjoy in four K as well, because
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 3: you have to crush all this stuff anyway. So my
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 3: answer is, yeah, I think that's great.
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 4: Man. Okay, good, good, good good. I can't wait for
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 4: you to see it, man, I really mean that, out
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 4: of everybody that I've been talking to publicity wise, I
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 4: think you'll have a neat perspective. Number one, because you
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 4: like wrestling in all honesty, and you'll probably understand that
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 4: now it's hard to work with wrestlers, and but you'll
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 4: understand the comedy of it. And number two, you're a
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 4: film guy, you know. Number three you're from Philly. And
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 4: number four you didn't laugh at me, and I didn't
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 4: know what camera it was shot on. So these are
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 4: you know, you're the type of guy that needs to
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 4: see this film. You know.
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm gonna put all my pjs, I'm gonna fire
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 3: up the old Xbox. I'm gonna check it out.
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 4: Go coo. Awesome, David, And thank you so much for
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 4: your time, dude. And again, I do listen to the
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 4: podcast and I always enjoy your conversations. I like how
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 4: you have a lot of variety of people on the show.
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 4: You're not like kind of one of those conceited podcasts
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 4: that kind of just rip on people, and you know,
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 4: they just kind of make it sort of I don't know,
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 4: it's kind of seems like bitter dudes that don't make
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 4: movies that want to rip on people that do. That's
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 4: not you. You're always so supportive to your guests and I
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 4: always learned something, so I am a fan. Man. It
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 4: was a real pleasure talking to you. Oh.
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 3: I appreciate that, Chris. And like I said in the
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 3: pre interview, man, you know, I always try to say positive,
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 3: you know. I always want to make this a place
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 3: of positivity and have as many interesting, diverse people as
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 3: I can. But having said that, I want to say
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 3: thank you very much for coming on, Chris, and I
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 3: really do wish you the best with a BET movie.
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 3: I'm going to be checking it out Tuesday, July twenty sixth.
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 3: It is released on all of the of the channels
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 3: that Chris was talking about. But Chris, honestly, man, I
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 3: want to say thank you so much for coming on,
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 3: and I'm going to make sure to check out the
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 3: BET movie.
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 4: Cool my pleasure, Dave, you take care and thanks everybody
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 4: for listening. Really doesn't mean a lot. Please check out
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 4: the film and say hi, let us know what you thought.
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 3: Awesome.
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 4: Take care, Chrit, Okay, take care brother.
• 1:18:49
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• 1:18:51
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