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Tomi Lahren Knows What a "Real Man" Is! | Rantzerker 238 · Honey Badger Radio

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  Speaker 1: Tommy Lauren knows what a real man is And Okay,
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  Speaker 1: so before we get started, this isn't just us picking
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  Speaker 1: on Tommy Lauren, but we're looking at this panel. I
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  Speaker 1: did a little bit of this video in a Patriots
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  Speaker 1: show I did earlier this week. This is from Piers
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  Speaker 2: So I'm here with Hannah. Hello, Hannah, how are you hello?
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  Speaker 2: So the.
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  Speaker 1: Alison offered to potentially come on, but she's dealing with something,
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  Speaker 1: I guess, So it's just gonna be me and Hannah today.
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  Speaker 2: Karen it this week.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just gonna be you and I unless Allison
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  Speaker 1: like changes her mind the last second, which entirely plausible,
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  Speaker 1: but yeah, so, and then maybe we'll have Karen next week.
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  Speaker 3: For it means you guys are have to listen to
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  Speaker 3: me be actually feminine and talk your ear off.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah all right, So this video we're gonna be talking
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  Speaker 1: about is a panel discussion.
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  Speaker 2: It is.
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  Speaker 1: It is about the Netflix series Adolescents, but I know
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  Speaker 1: that we've talked this to death, so it's not really
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  Speaker 1: about that.
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  Speaker 2: That's just sort of like the.
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  Speaker 1: Launching pad for the conversation, and the conversation is really
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  Speaker 1: a debate about you know, toxic masculinity and you know,
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  Speaker 1: before at the outset, like let me just put my
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  Speaker 1: bias out there. There's no such thing as toxic masculinity.
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  Speaker 1: In my opinion, there is just bad behavior, and anybody
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  Speaker 1: is capable of that. We are all falling creatures, we
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  Speaker 1: are all flawed and can do these things. And I
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  Speaker 1: think the toxic masculinity as a term is just a
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  Speaker 1: buzzword used to control men's behavior by leveraging women's victimhood
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  Speaker 1: against it, because toxic masculinity is only masculinity that annoys
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  Speaker 1: you know, I don't know, like power hungry women and
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  Speaker 1: weak men.
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  Speaker 2: That's basically what it is.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, you to understand something about the history of the
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  Speaker 3: term toxic masculinity, all right, So there were two groups
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  Speaker 3: of people that this term came from. The mythopoetic Men's
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  Speaker 3: movement looked at aspects of immaturity that you see manifesting
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  Speaker 3: more in society, thinking this is what makes a real
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  Speaker 3: man toward boys versus you know, there are different aspects
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  Speaker 3: of human immaturity that girls will hold on to growing
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  Speaker 3: into womanhood, and that will society normalizes in behavior of women,
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  Speaker 3: you know, like pretty much social aggression, whereas with men
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  Speaker 3: a lot of times just more physical aggression and how
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  Speaker 3: you handle your aggression is a lot of the basis
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  Speaker 3: for the idea of that toxicity. And so they were exploring,
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  Speaker 3: you know, how can grown men who have matured and
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  Speaker 3: who are successful and have good, happy lives, how can
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  Speaker 3: we mentor boys in developing more mature responses to social pressures,
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  Speaker 3: to their internal pressures, to any impulses of anger and
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  Speaker 3: aggression and things like that. And that was a good thing,
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  Speaker 3: but they still looked to the feminine nature as a
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  Speaker 3: solution to that, which is not a good thing. Because
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  Speaker 3: just because girls are more cowardly when it comes to
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  Speaker 3: overt confrontation and overt violence where they might be at
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  Speaker 3: risk for physical damage, doesn't mean girls aren't aggressive aggressive, right,
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  Speaker 3: They're still just as capable as destroying another person as guys.
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  Speaker 3: Are the differences where a guy might do it with
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  Speaker 3: his fists, a girl will do it with the rumor mill,
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  Speaker 3: or she'll do it with organized social exclusion. Nobody's gonna
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  Speaker 3: sit with Karen today because we're mad at Karen. You
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  Speaker 3: know that you can't sit with us. Meme from Mean
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  Speaker 3: Girls is actually pretty accurate. Uh, And it's it's all
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  Speaker 3: about social control, and it's all it's all about immature
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  Speaker 3: means of handling. You know your internal conflicts and your
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  Speaker 3: external conflicts, well, then you have the other end of it.
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  Speaker 3: There's a prominent feminist in Australia goes by the name
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  Speaker 3: of Rayo and Connell. Rao and Connell was Robert Connell first,
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  Speaker 3: and that this is I know there's gonna be people
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  Speaker 3: mad at me for dead nay, I mean a trans woman.
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  Speaker 3: But this is important to the development of the feminist
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  Speaker 3: end of the term toxic masculinity because for Robert Connell,
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  Speaker 3: masculinity would have been a prison right. Going through dysphoria
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  Speaker 3: is not the normal experience of masculinity. It's not. It
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  Speaker 3: doesn't come standard with the masculinity package. Most guys don't
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  Speaker 3: experience it. Most guys don't have to deal with gosh,
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  Speaker 3: maybe I'm a woman. All of this is wrong for me,
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  Speaker 3: every last little bit of it. Maybe I need to
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  Speaker 3: completely change everything about myself in order to be comfortable
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  Speaker 3: with myself. Most guys don't go through quite that level
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  Speaker 3: of change when they're developing their personality and their character
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  Speaker 3: growing up. Conall did, and during that time Conall created
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  Speaker 3: the feminist term toxic masculinity and describe the characteristics that
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  Speaker 3: Connell felt were toxic and were characteristic of masculinity, and
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  Speaker 3: quite a bit of that is treating things that have
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  Speaker 3: a healthy end and a toxic end as just always
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  Speaker 3: toxic and always bad, and treating things that are masculine
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  Speaker 3: and feminine characteristics as always masculine and bad because they're masculine,
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  Speaker 3: or masculine because they're bad. So the term really no
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  Speaker 3: matter what the mythopoetic men Men's movement intended when they
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  Speaker 3: were coming up with it, it doesn't matter today their
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  Speaker 3: intentions were noble, but today the term has nothing noble
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  Speaker 3: about it and should never be used by anyone to
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  Speaker 3: describe anything about masculinity.
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  Speaker 2: Yep. So yeah, it's a buzzword used to control.
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  Speaker 1: So now they're going to talk about it, and there's
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  Speaker 1: a I think that there are some really useful thing
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  Speaker 1: takeaways from this. So let me I think he's going
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  Speaker 1: to introduce the panel, so let me just go back
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  Speaker 1: to about here where he does that, I think, And
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  Speaker 1: so let's.
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  Speaker 4: Play drama that references popular culture as so many do.
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  Speaker 4: Critics of a show say it's another version of the
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  Speaker 4: same man bashing narrative that gave rise to the so
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  Speaker 4: called Manisphere in the first place. We'll here to debate
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  Speaker 4: all This is the host of The Crucible, Andrew Wilson,
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  Speaker 4: the radio host James Barr, the host of Tommy larrn
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  Speaker 4: Is Fearless on out Kick Tommy Larram, and the host
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  Speaker 4: of The Determined Society Sean Frencher. Welcome to all of you.
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  Speaker 1: All right, So so you got here's Morgan's the host
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  Speaker 1: supposedly neutral. But the truth is is that everybody on
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  Speaker 1: this panel except for Andrew Wilson, is feminist. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I'm just putting sing it in the outset there. And
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  Speaker 1: this is the thing when people like when they sort
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  Speaker 1: of like what they don't A lot of people don't
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  Speaker 1: realize is that the default setting for the world is
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  Speaker 1: a feminist setting right now, Like everything is feminist, and
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  Speaker 1: so someone who's actually not a feminist is extremely rare,
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  Speaker 1: even if they claim to be right wing or conservative,
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  Speaker 1: if they're if they're still feminists, then they're just not
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  Speaker 1: those things. So it's it's actually a disservice to people
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  Speaker 1: to call them that.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, So.
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  Speaker 1: I'll just run it down quickly. So Andrew Wilson is
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  Speaker 1: a he's a I don't know if you guys know this,
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  Speaker 1: but he's like a Christian debate me bro kind of guy. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: he's actually aware of men's issues. He appears on the
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  Speaker 1: Whatever podcast frequently. He's also sat down and talked with
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  Speaker 1: Paul Elam on a stream, and he.
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  Speaker 2: Runs a thing called The Crucible.
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  Speaker 1: And he is kind of like you could say, in
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  Speaker 1: a pale O'Connor, like an extreme traditionalist. Okay, I don't
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  Speaker 1: think that's bad per se, but I do think that
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  Speaker 1: it is something that I'm aware of that I don't
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  Speaker 1: think is healthy in the long run because it's a
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  Speaker 1: bit extreme. But the problem is is that our default
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  Speaker 1: feminist culture has created the need for this as a response.
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  Speaker 2: Right. Yeah, it's Andrew Wilson.
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  Speaker 3: I ran into one of Andrew Wilson's followers and a
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  Speaker 3: Twitter thread recently, and that's how I found out who
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  Speaker 3: Wilson was. And I will just say that either this
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  Speaker 3: guy was a terrible representation of Wilson's the outcome of
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  Speaker 3: Wilson's advocacy, or Wilson is an idiot, and I guess
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  Speaker 3: I'll find out watch it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, So I ended up.
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  Speaker 3: Going looking for him, and I wasn't impressed with the
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  Speaker 3: first thing. I found own, which was an expose on
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  Speaker 3: I guess his.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, like his Well, his wife has kids from
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  Speaker 1: a previous marriage, Rachel Wilson, but.
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  Speaker 3: They haven't been honest about the situation, Like there were
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  Speaker 3: receipts shown in everything. I don't necessarily subscribe to everything
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  Speaker 3: that Treehouse says either, but although she's pretty good with
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  Speaker 3: some stuff, but that showing the evidence was what really
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  Speaker 3: convinced me, Like, I'm this guy may have some good
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  Speaker 3: things to say, and he may have some bad things
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  Speaker 3: to say, but he's not somebody that i'd be like, Man,
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  Speaker 3: I really trust everything this guy says. I'm going to listen. No, No,
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  Speaker 3: like that's for sure where I would say that about
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  Speaker 3: Paul Elam. I really trust everything Paul Elam says because
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  Speaker 3: I've had a lot of experience listening to him, and
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  Speaker 3: he's got a lot of wisdom. And it sounded from
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  Speaker 3: the conversation I had in that thread with other people,
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  Speaker 3: other people had familiarity with his discussion with Polylum, it
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  Speaker 3: doesn't sound like Polylum was intensely impressed by this guy either.
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  Speaker 3: So he's they've got four feminists and nonfeminist light So no,
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  Speaker 3: really truly like he's still ginocentric.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, perhaps. I mean, I'm not gonna make any claims
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  Speaker 1: one way or the other. I'm just saying he's the
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  Speaker 1: only one on there I would say.
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  Speaker 2: Is not.
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  Speaker 3: He's the closest you get to being part of the
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  Speaker 3: really wide awake manisphere that understands what's going on.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think that this gives you a look
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  Speaker 1: at where the Overton window is. Like it's obviously moving,
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  Speaker 1: so like somebody like this wouldn't get be given the
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  Speaker 1: time of day, like when we started doing this stuff
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  Speaker 1: ten years ago. So I think that like it shows
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  Speaker 1: you where the Overton window is, but also how far
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  Speaker 1: outside of it we still are. So anyway, so he
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  Speaker 1: introduced the topic, He's going to start talking about this
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  Speaker 1: toxic masculinary concept.
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  Speaker 4: So Andrew Wilson, let me start with you. Because I've
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  Speaker 4: got three sons thirty one, twenty seven, twenty four. I
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  Speaker 4: think I've brought them up to respect women, to not
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  Speaker 4: behave in a misogynist way, and to behave in a
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  Speaker 4: pretty decent way generally. But I'm also aware that they've
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  Speaker 4: grown up in an era when the likes of Andrew
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  Speaker 4: Tate and others have become increasingly dominant in the way
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  Speaker 4: that a lot of impressional young men start to think
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  Speaker 4: and view women. And for all that Andrew Tate can
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  Speaker 4: say that it's positive about getting fit and being successful
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  Speaker 4: and confident and so on, there's indisputably a hardcore streak
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  Speaker 4: of misogyny that runs through his veins, which I think
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  Speaker 4: has been quite damaging to all.
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  Speaker 2: Right, let's posit there. Okay, so there's a lot. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: this is what I think.
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  Speaker 3: It drives me nuts. Right, Oh, I've raised my boys
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  Speaker 3: to respect women. What does that even mean? You know,
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  Speaker 3: because when we talk about men talk about respecting each
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  Speaker 3: other and talking about earning respect and living a life
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  Speaker 3: that's that's worthy of respect, showing respect for your elder,
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  Speaker 3: showing respect for authority, showing respect for experience, and things
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  Speaker 3: like that, the word means an entirely different thing than
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  Speaker 3: what it means the minute we start applying it to
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  Speaker 3: women femininity, your mother, your sister, the woman you're dating,
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  Speaker 3: and so on. And immediately the idea of misogyny getting
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  Speaker 3: brought up as well. And I wrote about this, Gosh,
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  Speaker 3: it's been years ago now, an article called I Believe
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  Speaker 3: women don't understand respect and I'm gonna have to revise
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  Speaker 3: my statement. It's not just that women don't understand resc
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  Speaker 3: It's that when women are the subject, most people stop
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  Speaker 3: understanding respect, even if they understand it when they talk
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  Speaker 3: about it any other way, they stop as soon as
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  Speaker 3: as soon as there's a double X in the room.
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  Speaker 3: It's like it crosses out what respect actually means. And
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  Speaker 3: all of a sudden, they're talking about veneration, they're talking
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  Speaker 3: about worship, they're talking about excuses, they're talking about being
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  Speaker 3: cow towing, you know, bowing down. Why is my computer
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  Speaker 3: going nuts?
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  Speaker 2: Sorry?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you can hear me still, right, Yeah, Okay, that's
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  Speaker 3: all that matters. It's just trying to do things in
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  Speaker 3: the background that I didn't ask it to do. It's
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  Speaker 3: being it's acting like a girl. But it bugs me right, Like,
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  Speaker 3: I'll take it back to a lot of times. I
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  Speaker 3: take things back to this. Grew up in a neighborhood
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  Speaker 3: where we used to get into fist fights for fun.
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  Speaker 3: Growing up, right, we used to One of our games
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  Speaker 3: that we used to play was there was a weeping
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  Speaker 3: willow tree in the neighborhood and we would pull the
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  Speaker 3: long branches off of it that the leaves grow on
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  Speaker 3: after the leaves fell in the fall and have whip fights,
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  Speaker 3: and we would also, you know, playing the dozens, you
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  Speaker 3: throw insults at each other and stuff like that. And
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  Speaker 3: there's a means of respect, a style of respect. I
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  Speaker 3: guess where you know, you get your ass kicked, and
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  Speaker 3: you might not like the other person, but you have
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  Speaker 3: to acknowledge, you know, their capability, how well they did
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  Speaker 3: what they did. At the end of it. You know,
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  Speaker 3: whoever's on the ground gets helped up. You know, you're
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  Speaker 3: you're reaching out, shaking hands. You might even go play
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  Speaker 3: football together afterwards. You might you know, hang out and
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  Speaker 3: play video games together afterwards with a piece of toilet
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  Speaker 3: paper rolled up and stuck in your nose, you know.
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  Speaker 3: And this is a different idea of respect than what
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  Speaker 3: people think. And so when men bend over backwards to
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  Speaker 3: venerate women who have done nothing to earn it, they're
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  Speaker 3: not demonstrating some great level of character. They haven't demonstrated
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  Speaker 3: some great level of skill, knowledge, capability, wisdom, hard workingness,
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  Speaker 3: you know, and nothing that the merits respect, no demonstration
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  Speaker 3: of respectability just because they're women. That's not respect, that's
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  Speaker 3: idle worship, and it's unfortunate that this concept that is
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  Speaker 3: idle worship has been accepted did by not just feminists,
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  Speaker 3: not just overall kaind of interest in society, but even
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  Speaker 3: traditionalist people, even people who have this this idea going
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  Speaker 3: back in time of this, this is the way families
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  Speaker 3: always were, and this is the way life has always been,
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  Speaker 3: and we should continue it because it's the most stable
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  Speaker 3: structure and so on. They have forgotten that a hundred
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  Speaker 3: years ago, a woman who didn't have merit wasn't respected, right,
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  Speaker 3: so we have we've gone back into you know, not
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  Speaker 3: as in back in time. We've deteriorated, we've regressed, not regained.
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  Speaker 3: And it's what he's doing there, the setting this up
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  Speaker 3: of you know, I raised my sons to respect women.
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  Speaker 3: He's setting up idea that men can be flawed and
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  Speaker 3: men can be not respectable. But no matter what a
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  Speaker 3: woman does, you have to accept it and live with
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  Speaker 3: it and and treat her like she's still deserving of
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  Speaker 3: some degree of trust that she hasn't earned, and some
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  Speaker 3: degree of leeway in your life, like you're you can
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  Speaker 3: relax certain boundaries because this is a respectable person. No,
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  Speaker 3: you can't, not unless she's earned it. Not unless she
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  Speaker 3: carries herself and demonstrates herself to to have that that
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  Speaker 3: kind of character to be a respectable person. Uh, and
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  Speaker 3: these guys are probably this isn't a good start for
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  Speaker 3: this at all. I'm not looking forward to.
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  Speaker 1: Hear well, appears Morgan's like, this is the problem.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, we are the time we're living in now.
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  Speaker 1: The feminist narrative about men, about the nature of manhood,
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  Speaker 1: about the nature of masculinity itself, has been so pathologized
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  Speaker 1: that people feel the need to like get ahead of
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  Speaker 1: everything and say, look, I teach my boys to respect women.
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  Speaker 1: I make sure that they're not going to turn out
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  Speaker 1: like Andrew Tate. And this is the reason why. By
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  Speaker 1: the way, whenever people cry and whine about the supposed
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  Speaker 1: like bad parts of the manisphere, I tell them not
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  Speaker 1: to do it, because what they're doing is they're accepting
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  Speaker 1: a false premise. They're accepting a false premise about the
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  Speaker 1: manisphere by or and just men in general. And if
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  Speaker 1: you accept that, if you say, well, you know so
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  Speaker 1: and so is a real misogynists, it's only going you're
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  Speaker 1: going to lose because you have accepted their framework. You're
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  Speaker 1: now operating within their framework. Of there is like a
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  Speaker 1: hypothetical area where you know, misogyny.
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  Speaker 2: Lives, and all men, any man, at any.
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  Speaker 1: Point is in danger of moving into that hypothetical area
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  Speaker 1: because you have accepted the terms, you have accepted the
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  Speaker 1: premise that that exists. It's like saying well, I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to get into it. But when you
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  Speaker 1: do that, when you say, well, my people are not
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  Speaker 1: like if Andrew Tate died tomorrow and just like like
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  Speaker 1: if he just spontaneously combusted like the drummer for spinal
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  Speaker 1: tap and was just gone, guess what, they would find
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  Speaker 1: somebody else and say that's the new line. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: what's the difference according to feminists, what's the difference between
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: Andrew Tate and Jordan Peterson or Donald Trump or jd
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: Vance or what's his name, Mike Pence? Like, these people
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: are not alike. They're not alike. I'm intentionally pointing out
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: different people with different views that all could easily fall
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: into that frame of oh, with this person here, like
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: Harvey Weinstein, that's the that's the misogynist. And it's like,
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: but but if you look at the court documents and
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: if you follow the the everything that's happened. He doesn't
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: appear to be guilty of anything except sleeping with women
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: who have elected to do so as a sexual favor
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: so that it would be good for their career. So
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: it's just like an incestual professional. No, no, no, it's misogyny.
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: That's misogyny. What this is why? Like I use the
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: I talked about the Harry Syston thing because I wanted
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: people to see how easy it is for them to
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: just move the goldpost and create a new like borderline boogeyman.
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: Somebody's trying to call me. I can't, I can't talk.
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: It's Lindsay right now, I'm hold on. Sorry, guys, I'm
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: getting a call.
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: Doing a show.
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: But I'll jump in and point something out. All right,
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: when you hear respect women, you'll understand it more accurately
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: if you replace it in your head with overlook women's flaws,
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: Overlook the lack of accountability, Overlook the selfishness, the solypsism,
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: Overlook the arrogance and snobbery that women have toward men,
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: and then you'll understand what the individual is actually saying
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: when they say respect women. Nobody says respect men, right,
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: nobody says, oh you have to respect men, no, because
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: we don't have to overlook those qualities, those bad characteristics
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: when a man exhibits them. We condemn them when a
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: man exhibits them, and we should when a woman does too.
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: And the same thing as misogyny. Misogyny is any time
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: a woman is mad at you, yeah, or any time
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: a woman would be mad at you, right, yeah, that's misogyny.
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: It doesn't mean that you actually hate women. It means
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: that somebody thinks a woman would be offended or upset
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: or wouldn't like the mirror that you're holding up.
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: And so I say that, you know, because what Piers
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: Morgan is doing is exactly what is expected of him.
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: It's he's being a good feminist, even if he says
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: he doesn't agree with it, which he wouldn't say that.
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: He would say something like, I'm sure you guys could
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: guess you know, oh, well, you know, I think women.
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: Deserve rights back in you know, year nineteen xity x.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: And I think that that is and I think that
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: because if they didn't, because this is the thing, if
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: you accept the premise that there is real misogyny and
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: it's this person or this person, and it's always a man,
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: and that there is real oppression of women. And it's
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: like this point in history or this particular like you know, culture,
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: or this other country or this other government, that if
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: you accept any of that shit, then you will never
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: ever get out from underneath this narrative. You have to
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: be able to say, actually, no, you know, actually women
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: in the Middle East they want to live this way
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: because their men protect them and they actually think less
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: of our women, and they actually project the same shit
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: on the West.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: They say, look at how you you know, how.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: Little you protect your women, look at how you treat
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: your women by not protecting them.
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: So or if you go into history, it's like.
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: Way less, you know, simple, which is why, like Hannah,
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: you've done a series of videos on everything to do
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: with the suffrage movement, because this is the lie that
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: that well not lie, but let's say the blind spot
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: that people don't want to look at.
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: And that lie by omission.
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: And this is like so again I'm just Pierce Morgan's
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: opening statement.
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: Lets us know. It sets the stage.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: It says, this is the framework we're operating within. This
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: can't leave that, this is where the Overton window is at.
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: And so let's see how Andrew responds to young men.
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: So I'm you know, I'm not all in either way here,
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: but I can certainly see the arguments.
• 25:58
  Speaker 5: What do you say, Yeah, well, I mean I think
• 26:00
  Speaker 5: that this this So I watched the show and it
• 26:04
  Speaker 5: just goes through a typical feminine view, right, So all
• 26:08
  Speaker 5: of these things are always through the prism of the feminine.
• 26:10
  Speaker 5: So young boys they don't do well in school, they
• 26:13
  Speaker 5: don't do well in school because it's all programmed for
• 26:16
  Speaker 5: the feminine. Stay still, fold your hands right, be quiet.
• 26:20
  Speaker 5: Boys are rambunctious. They like to beat each other up.
• 26:22
  Speaker 5: They like to be mischievous, you know, mischievous, they like
• 26:24
  Speaker 5: to break things, they like to do that kind of stuff.
• 26:27
  Speaker 6: There's no outlet for them to do that stuff.
• 26:30
  Speaker 5: Their teachers are all women, right, there's basically all masculinity
• 26:34
  Speaker 5: is now considered toxic.
• 26:36
  Speaker 6: Basically all of it.
• 26:37
  Speaker 5: The same women who are getting their double shot of
• 26:40
  Speaker 5: Espress show on the way over to the school they're
• 26:43
  Speaker 5: about to teach, yet they're twenty four years old. Sometimes
• 26:46
  Speaker 5: they're banging their own students, right, hilariously enough, And then
• 26:49
  Speaker 5: these people go out to parlor.
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: This guy in the middle is shocked that he would
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: even say that it's a fact though happens. Yes, like, yeah,
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: it's a fact.
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: There's a every so often, you know, I'll get into
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: an argument with feminists and they'll be like, well, that's rare,
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: that's rare, and I will link them to a page
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: it's been around for quite a long time that actually
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: has a list of five hundred female teachers that have
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: molested their students. And you know, this is it's not
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: only not rare, but it's not treated with the seriousness
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: that it should be getting treated. So boys that experience
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: this don't have the recourse that a girl would have
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: if a male teacher did it to them, or even
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: that a boy would have a fe male teacher did
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: it to him when a female teacher does it. The
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: level of accountability that's applied is extremely small in comparison,
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: and it creates this situation where the boy is inundated
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: afterward with messages that you should never inundate a victim
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: of sexual violence with the you asked for it method
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: that feminists hate when they think women are getting it, because,
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: for instance, the police want their clothes so they can
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: look for any hairs or other DNA evidence, and so
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: they ask them, you know, what were you wearing that night?
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: Can we have it? And immediately feminists jump into, well,
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: you're only saying that because you want you want to
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: accuse her of asking for it because she was dressed badly,
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: or when any kind of safety advice is given to
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: women to avoid the kinds of people who perpetrate violent crimes,
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: because those are the types of people more likely to
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: perpetrate sex crimes. You know, like, that's that's not even
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: you asked for it, that's just you don't have to
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: experience this, and here are ways to reduce your risk,
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: the same way that you would say, you know, here's
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: how to eat and exercise to reduce your risk of
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: a heart attack.
• 29:01
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: But boys get told, oh, you must have liked it
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: because she's pretty well, that doesn't necessarily mean anything, right,
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: And their experience of being used and then dismissed or
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: thinking that they're in a relationship and then discovering that
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: they're just a toy, like that's completely dismissed, the fact
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: that they're not old enough to understand what's going on
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: and be psychologically prepared for what she's doing to them,
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: that's completely dismissed. The harm that's done to them is
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: completely dismissed. And so when their support system, their family,
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: any medical professionals that are providing care for them, when
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: they're trying to help those boys recover from that, they're
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: competing with things that would never be acceptable to do
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: to a female victim, and it does result in a
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: higher level of things like they're up to play four
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: times more likely to have a substance abuse problem, They're
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: up to fourteen times more likely to commit suicide, right,
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: so it's obviously done some damage. They're they're even more
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: likely to question their sexuality, have difficulty deciding, you know,
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: what they want in a relationship and what kind of
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: person they want to be with. They are more likely
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: to later on engage in violent crimes and become sexual
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: perpetrators themselves. So it creates a level of dysfunction that
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: can go in all kinds of different directions, and the
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: trajectory of that kid's life can be completely destroyed.
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I mean, like they want to, you know,
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: they want to talk about I don't know all the
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: ways that men assault women and stuff, But if you
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: look at the data, like the majority, the overwhelming majority,
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: like almost one hundred percent of men who engage in
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: sexual miss conduct or sexual assault have themselves been assaulted,
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: and oftentimes by a woman in you know, a position
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: of power. So like when I mean I think the
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: thing I will. I do have some critiques of Andrew
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: Wilson's approach because the problem is is that I think
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: that he's trying to sell himself as a brand. Right,
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: He's been going on every place where he can to
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: sell himself as a brand. And part of what helps
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: his brand is to be really hyperbolic, really aggressive, but
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: not necessary and not that he's not rational, but but
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: he's really hyperbolic, and he tries to trigger people. If
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: he gets people triggered by saying something you know, over
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: the top or whatever, something hyperbolic, then it probably gets
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: him like a more you know, a better like more
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: followers because they like the people want to see him
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: own people online. But the problem is that I think
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: the quality of the arguments suffer a little bit. So
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: when he says boys they like to be rambunctious, they
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: beat each other up, they like to break stuff, that
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: sounds hyperbolic because it gets a reaction from the you know,
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: like the security, like focused femininside of the discussion, which
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: is basically everybody, they're all like, oh no, no, that
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: we don't want to hurt women, because that immediately means
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: hurting women. But what I think should be included in
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: that is that boys and men they are tactile, They
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: work with their hands, they are creative, they are artistic,
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: they are you know, they want to operate in the
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: physical space. They're not necessarily interested in the emotional. They
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: want to work cooperatively, they want to build together. They
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: like teamwork. This is why they like sports. So these
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: are things that like often get left out most of
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: the time when people talk about masculinity, even the people
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: who are trying to speak positively of it. They talk
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: about the aggression, they talk about the strength and power.
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: They talk about violence and why it's good. They talk
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: about competitiveness, but they don't really talk about building and cooperation,
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: which are also even more fundamental. I think to masculinity,
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: positive or negative, I don't even want to apply a
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: sort of you know, qualifier or descriptive to it just
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: in general. So Mike I will say that that's a
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: critique I have, but I get it because he's trying
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: to build a brand.
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: Ye.
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: Well, that expression though, on the face of the guy
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: in the middle, just it kind of says it all.
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: It's kind of this, how dare you talk about this?
• 33:23
  Speaker 7: Right?
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: And if the sexes were reversed, if the school system
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: was male dominated, and you know, teachers were mostly men,
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: and all of the administrators were mostly men, and the
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: movers and shakers that make the curriculum and all that
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: were all mostly men, and there was a pattern of
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: sexual abuse of the female students, there would be they
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: would be talking about nothing else in this episode except that,
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: and there would be so much outrage, and it wouldn't
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: be wrong if that was happening in that situation, which
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: it didn't. Even when the education system did have more
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: men involved. It was that there wasn't a pattern like
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: that of sexual abuse. And you know, there was sexual
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: abuse that happened, but not any more than an irregular population. Yeah,
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: And we get told by feminists that it's much more
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: rare outside of every situation where it's documented that sexual
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: abuse is engaged in by women. So obviously there's a
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: problem with teachers. You can't have it both ways. They're
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: not going to talk about it. They don't want to
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: talk about it because it's women.
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: Yes, exactly, that's the thing.
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: Well, it always ends up being the case that they
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: leave women out of the discussion.
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: But let's let's play some more.
• 34:54
  Speaker 5: It's the same women to go to parliament, they vote
• 34:57
  Speaker 5: to send men off to war to stab each other
• 34:59
  Speaker 5: in the with bayonets, and you're concerned about toxic masculinity.
• 35:04
  Speaker 6: It cracks me up.
• 35:05
  Speaker 5: It's like, the brutal savagery of men is a necessary
• 35:09
  Speaker 5: precondition for society to exist, and we just kind of
• 35:12
  Speaker 5: pretend like it's not. And this show should actually be
• 35:15
  Speaker 5: an indictment on the feminine rather than the masculine, because basically,
• 35:21
  Speaker 5: masculinity is just punished everywhere, all the time, NonStop. It's
• 35:25
  Speaker 5: no wonder guys like Andrew Tate gets so famous in
• 35:28
  Speaker 5: these spaces, Allison, because everything must be feminine, tone policing,
• 35:35
  Speaker 5: nonsense like this.
• 35:36
  Speaker 6: It's ridiculous.
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: Everything said Alison said it first, you said the well,
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: except for the bayonet thing, that's a little bit. I
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: don't think it realizes that war has has changed in
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: the last one hundred years. It's not men stabbing each
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: other in the face with bayonets anymore. It's men blowing
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: each other up up in the street with edes, and
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: you know, countries hitting men in other countries with drone
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: attacks indiscriminately often if it comes from the United States
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: and things like that. But but yeah, I.
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: Mean, like, yeah, I think you don't even get it coming.
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: There's it doesn't have the same I don't want to
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: say honor and respect, but it is. I don't want
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: to glorify war, but it is. It is a change
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: that has occurred where there did used to be some
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: understanding of the other side, uh, and some man to man,
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: Like if you go back and you read what was
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: written by by men who went to war in World
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: War One in World War Two, they had a respect
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: for the humanity of the men on the other side.
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: They could see them in front of their faces, and
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: they could see that what they were doing involved killing
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: a man or being killed. And today you don't necessarily
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: have that. You're on a computer sending a device to kill,
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: or you're in a truck going down a road and
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: you don't know if you're going to run over something
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: that's going to blow the truck up, and it's not
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: always man to man anymore. It's just terror. Yeah, So
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: there was a huge difference, but he doesn't really touch
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: on it with that.
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I think his point is is that regardless
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: of how it's done, it's men that have to do
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: it and women men are the ones who vote for
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: it exactly, So that that's the real takeaway. I get
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: what you're saying, but I think what he's saying is
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: is that it's hilarious, and I think it's true that
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: we're talking about toxic masculinity. The same group of people
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: that will vote to send men to war, and we're
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: ready to do that, by the way, right up until
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: the election, because they wanted the right to kill their
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: babies too.
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: They were okay.
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: With us going to war with Russia, going to war
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: with China or whatever, going to war with you know, Palestine.
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: They were okay with all of that as long as
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: they were able to kill their babies. And it just
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: so happened that men, who are the people who are
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: going to have to suffer, came out and said hell
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: the fuck no, and finally spoke with their vote.
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: So it is it is.
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: It is true that like it is ultimately, because the
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: living in the world is going to involve conflict. Unfortunately,
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: it's just the reality of living on earth, and men
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: are the ones that are expected to participate and women
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: are not. And yet women are the ones we listened
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: to when it comes to like essentially deciding what when
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: a man is a man and when he is not.
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: And so that's what the toxic masculinity is all about.
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: The place reminder, by the way, in the last in
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: the last few years, numbers at least, and I haven't
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: looked back much farther than that. Farther than that, but
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: I think it's been for a long time. Actually, because
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: of the abortion system, women have made being aborted the
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: leading cause of death in the world, the world. I
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: started out talking about this as being an American thing,
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: but America has imported or exported abortion all over the world.
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: And America has funded the export of abortion not just
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: through the US AIDS system, but also through several other systems.
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: It's not just US AID funding, it's it's Department of
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: Defense funding, Department of Health and Human Services funding, Department
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: of Justice funding has gone into this. You and women
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: gets a lot of money for this from the United
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: States and then they distributed it all over the world.
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: But yeah, women have made abortion the leading cause of
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: human death in the world.
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: Yep, being aborted.
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: So let's play some more and let's get the response from.
• 40:16
  Speaker 4: This James Ball, you were laughing, but I don't think
• 40:19
  Speaker 4: you got a joy hearing.
• 40:21
  Speaker 7: No, I mean that's you. I don't think you've seen
• 40:23
  Speaker 7: the show. Episode two is shot entirely in a school.
• 40:26
  Speaker 7: I didn't see one of the female teachers drinking a
• 40:28
  Speaker 7: double shot of espresso at all. None of the teachers
• 40:32
  Speaker 7: were flirting with students. There were male teachers as well.
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: It's fiction.
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: What the hell's wrong with this guy?
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: Does he mean?
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: Oh, I didn't see any of this.
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: He completely changed So Andrew Wilson was talking about the
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: real world. Yeah, he said, this is what happens in reality,
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: and this guy goes, that wasn't in the show that
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: I have a way. I have a sound for that.
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: I have a sound for that. Yeah.
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: This is uh yeah, uh.
• 41:02
  Speaker 8: What you just said is one of the most insanely
• 41:06
  Speaker 8: idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in
• 41:10
  Speaker 8: your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything
• 41:15
  Speaker 8: that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this
• 41:19
  Speaker 8: room is now dumber for having listened to it. I
• 41:24
  Speaker 8: award you no points and may God have mercy on
• 41:27
  Speaker 8: your soul.
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: Like this man literally just said reality isn't real because
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: the propaganda didn't show it exactly.
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: That's right, exactly, he said.
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: The documentary that I saw on Netflix did not show
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: this thing that you're claiming happens, So that means it
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: doesn't happen. Is he even millennial?
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: He looks young?
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: Uh, yeah, I think so. I don't know. I don't
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: know who he is. His name is James Barr.
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: I think he's like a obviously a leftist talk show
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: host or radio host or something.
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: But you know what it makes me think of, Right,
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: there were a lot of parents that were really hyped
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: up about you know, what are your kids watching on TV?
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: What are you kids watching on TV? And my parents
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: had an outlook on this. Right, you can watch whatever
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: you watch on TV. Cartoons that show violence, cartoons that
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: show magic, cartoons that show flying, and all kinds of
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: things that are not real, Right, as long as the
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: parents make sure the kids grow up having a solid
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: understanding of the difference between fantasy or fiction and reality.
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: His parents failed.
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, either that or again, he's just a guy
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: with an agenda.
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: His agenda is to like say, look.
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: Don't believe you're lying eyes and ears. Watch the show.
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: The show tells the truth. So okay, let's continue.
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: Fighting the show.
• 42:56
  Speaker 7: I think you're just fighting your own insecurities or agenda.
• 43:01
  Speaker 5: Yeah, this doesn't contend with the argument, Like, do you
• 43:04
  Speaker 5: understand that I'm making an argument and the indictment of
• 43:06
  Speaker 5: society itself based around my ideas that I'm seeing from
• 43:11
  Speaker 5: this show. That's what I'm actually doing. So if you
• 43:13
  Speaker 5: could contend with the fact that male savagery is necessary
• 43:16
  Speaker 5: for the security of the nation, and that women will
• 43:18
  Speaker 5: indeed vote in the future in parliaments to send men
• 43:21
  Speaker 5: off to war to stab each other in the face
• 43:23
  Speaker 5: at eighteen years old with bayonets, perhaps you can contend
• 43:26
  Speaker 5: with that before we start, you know, getting into we'll
• 43:30
  Speaker 5: tell policing is actually good and toxic masculinity is actually bad.
• 43:34
  Speaker 5: It's like, I think there needs to be a little
• 43:36
  Speaker 5: bit more toxic masculinity or what you consider to be
• 43:38
  Speaker 5: toxic masculinity.
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: He doesn't even have anything. Let's see, well, great, I'm
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: glad you think nothing just.
• 43:49
  Speaker 6: Stunlocked.
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: He's just unlocked.
• 43:51
  Speaker 6: Yet nothing.
• 43:53
  Speaker 9: You're you're making up.
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: Now, He's like I didn't say that. No, you're just
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: like you're at I'm saying that. I know. Okay, let's
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: get to Tommy Lauren, because this is where it gets juicy.
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna jump ahead here, all.
• 44:10
  Speaker 10: Right, peers, Well, I think and I can't see you all,
• 44:13
  Speaker 10: so forgive me if I'm incorrect here, but I think
• 44:15
  Speaker 10: I'm the only female on this pan. So I'm really
• 44:18
  Speaker 10: anxious to weigh in.
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 44:20
  Speaker 10: So I think over the last probably ten years, there
• 44:23
  Speaker 10: has been what I call the pussification of men. It
• 44:26
  Speaker 10: was everything should be about your emotions and your feelings,
• 44:29
  Speaker 10: and men were emasculated, and this whole concept of toxic
• 44:33
  Speaker 10: masculinity warped the minds of a lot of young.
• 44:36
  Speaker 9: Men, and they felt masculine.
• 44:37
  Speaker 10: They wanted to be masculine, but society was telling they
• 44:40
  Speaker 10: should be softer. That it was being toxically masculine if
• 44:44
  Speaker 10: you wanted to play sports and chop wood and go
• 44:46
  Speaker 10: to war. And so men were so emasculated and so
• 44:50
  Speaker 10: beat down that then there was this revolution of what
• 44:54
  Speaker 10: was actually toxic masculinity, the Tate Brothers and others, which
• 44:58
  Speaker 10: I feel as a fee that that doesn't represent true masculinity,
• 45:02
  Speaker 10: that to me represents douche baggery.
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: And okay, I'm just pausing it there.
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: So well, at least she didn't use the word real
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: or the phrase real men.
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: Yet oh she does use it. She does use it.
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: Yes, I want to know what's going wrong with so
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: many women in the world that they think that so
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: many of the men around them are not real? Are
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: they hallucinating? Because I see like four men on that panel,
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: and they all seem dramatically different from each other. Every
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: single one of them is real, Yes, but I'll bet
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: she would call at least three of them not real men,
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: and I would disagree. All of them are real men.
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: Every single man in the world is a real man,
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: all right. Some of them are less mature, some of
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: them are more mature. Some of them have ideas that
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: are misguided. Some of them are liars, some of them
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: are assholes. But they're all real men.
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: Some of them are great, some of them are strong,
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: some of them are wise. It doesn't make the ones
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: that aren't great, strong and wise not real men. It
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: maybe make some normal human beings. Most people have something
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: to learn all of your life. You have something to learn,
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: You have character development to continue, and we seem to
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: treat men like, if they don't pop out of adolescence
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: at the age of twenty one or twenty two years old,
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: perfectly formed and totally finished in their development as good
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: of a man as they'll be at ninety six, for instance,
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: that they're not real men, which is bullshit because women
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: women don't have to grow up, and the little bit
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: that women are expected to grow up doesn't have to
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: happen until after you have your babies, and even then
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: it's a continuing process and it's recognized as a continuing process.
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: So he's supposed to be, you know, ninety six at
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: twenty two, and she's allowed to be twelve at forty two.
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: There's a bit of an imbalance here. Do we start
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: calling women not real women because they never grow up,
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: or do we acknowledge that character development is a process
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: that continues throughout your entire life and stop using the
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: term real man and start looking at signs of strength
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: and maturity and what's actually respectable in life and encourage
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: our boys to emulate those things. And like that. That
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: goes right back to the mythopoetic men's men's movement. But
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: if there's a way to do that without putting femininity
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: and feminism at the pinnacle, it would be a heck
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: of a lot better.
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: Yep, uh okay, so let's yeah, so she's gonna get
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: into the so right now.
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: Okay, she says that's a pacification of men.
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: But I do I think that there is like an
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: important perspective she is bringing up because it's essentially like
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: for her, like for it doesn't live up to her
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: expectations right for her, her belief for her value system
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: is what she's measuring. It's not it's not that there
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: is such a thing as a real man, like in general,
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: which is like would qualify all of these men are real,
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: even the gay man. But it's that it doesn't meet
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: her qualifications. And that's why she doesn't like Andrew Tit
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: or what she thinks Andrew Tait is or anybody who
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: ascribes to Again, if Andrew Taits spontaneously combusted today and
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: there and he was no longer existed there and he
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: was like he was even a race from everyone's memory,
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: they would just completely pivot to somebody else because it's
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: about maintaining the wind the Overton window on what is
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: acceptable for men to be. And this is the primary
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: reason why so many young men are going to these
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: you know, these guys out here, because they're they're rejecting
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: that premise. They're saying, no, you don't get to say
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: what kind of man I am? And these young men
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: admire that because saying no is the most masculine thing
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: you can do, and so that that's what they're doing.
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: They're saying no because another guy stood up and said no.
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: And now they're so, oh, no, he's not he's not
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: he's a he's a douchebag.
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: He's not a real man. Well, what's a real man
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: somebody who says yes. Yeah, obviously, but let's let's listen more.
• 49:46
  Speaker 10: As a woman, I want a strong man who is
• 49:48
  Speaker 10: a protector and a provider that will go to war
• 49:51
  Speaker 10: if need be, that will protect me, protect my family,
• 49:54
  Speaker 10: make money. I see that as being actually masculine. That's
• 49:58
  Speaker 10: like the man that I grew up with my dad.
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: I gotta give it.
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: I gotta give it to her that this is just
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: her saying, here's how hypergramas I am. Even though she
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: supposedly married everything. She's just putting it out there, and
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: I will give a credit for being honest. This is
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: how hypergamas. I am also, by the way, guys, I'm conservative.
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: Bullshit. But anyway, all right, let's see.
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well I'm gonna I'm gonna point something else out too,
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: because she presented a false dichotomy there, not just with that,
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: but with her previous comment as well. She talks about
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: the whole emotional thing that the left has sort of
• 50:33
  Speaker 3: like men have to be emotional, men have to be this,
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: men have to cry blah blah blah. Right, it's not
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: either or either. Men have to be hyper masculine and
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: do all of the the only all of the things
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: that people on the right are saying make up a man,
• 50:50
  Speaker 3: or men have to become hyper feminine and do all
• 50:54
  Speaker 3: of the things that people on the left are saying
• 50:56
  Speaker 3: or needed. Society needs to start listening when men say say, hey,
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: this is bullshit and I'm getting angry about it, all right,
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: but left doesn't like that emotion. When a man says,
• 51:07
  Speaker 3: stop trying to take my kids away. They need me
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: and I need them, that that's and that's the other
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: half of it, Right, lots of people will will gladly
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: recognize people on the right will gladly recognize that they
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: need me. Part But if a man talks about how
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: much it hurts to not get to see his children
• 51:29
  Speaker 3: because they've they've been kept from him by the courts,
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: it starts to people start to back, well, oh, you're
• 51:35
  Speaker 3: not supposed to talk about that part, right. It hurts
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: to know that your kids are not safe. It hurts
• 51:42
  Speaker 3: to know that your kids don't know you. Someone you
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: love with all of your heart, that's the most important
• 51:48
  Speaker 3: people in your life don't even know you because they
• 51:50
  Speaker 3: haven't seen you in five years. That hurts. It's allowed
• 51:53
  Speaker 3: to hurt. You're allowed to hurt because of that, and
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: you're allowed to be upset about that. You're allowed to
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: have that pain be acknowledged and have that pain mean
• 52:04
  Speaker 3: something to the people around you that this person has
• 52:07
  Speaker 3: been wronged. This man has been wronged. He's been hurt
• 52:10
  Speaker 3: by what the court did to him. Not just it's
• 52:13
  Speaker 3: not just wrong because it hurts the children. It's wrong
• 52:16
  Speaker 3: because it hurts the father, right, And that's uncomfortable for
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: people to discuss. The men are allowed to be sad,
• 52:22
  Speaker 3: men are allowed to be in pain. Men are allowed
• 52:25
  Speaker 3: to get angry when they've been wronged, and them being
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: sad or in pain or angry is not a reason
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: for us to not listen to them. So we have
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: this backing away from you have to cry so hard
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: that you're allowed to cry can't be said. Right, we
• 52:50
  Speaker 3: have this backing away from you have to cry so
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: hard that you're allowed to be angry can't be said.
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: And a lot of men's issues don't get addressed by
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: the right because they're too busy trying to push men's
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: emotions down instead of acknowledging that. It's painful to be
• 53:13
  Speaker 3: falsely accused. It's painful to be denied a relationship with
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: your family. It's painful to be locked up when you
• 53:21
  Speaker 3: don't deserve to be locked up, right, it's painful to
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: be ripped off, and it's painful to be forced into
• 53:27
  Speaker 3: a terrifying situation like getting drafted or thinking you might
• 53:31
  Speaker 3: get drafted. Those things are it's it's worth acknowledging, and
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: it's right to acknowledge that. But it doesn't necessarily mean
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: that we have to turn men into weepy girls. Right,
• 53:48
  Speaker 3: there's a middle ground. There's a whole middle ground there
• 53:51
  Speaker 3: where men should be allowed to step up and talk about, Hey,
• 53:54
  Speaker 3: this is a problem, and the laws are biased and
• 53:59
  Speaker 3: that's causing this problem, So why don't we address this?
• 54:03
  Speaker 3: And yeah, it hurts when when we are going through this,
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: so we're being wronged, you're doing us damage. Let's fix
• 54:10
  Speaker 3: this without having the right treat it like, oh, look
• 54:15
  Speaker 3: at those weepy guys, how dare they be sad about
• 54:18
  Speaker 3: their experiences? And the left treat it like you're too
• 54:21
  Speaker 3: analytical about this. You should cry about it and move
• 54:23
  Speaker 3: on and just leave the problem unsolved. You know, the
• 54:26
  Speaker 3: middle ground is men. Once they've acknowledged their knowledge or
• 54:31
  Speaker 3: their their emotions, they also figure out what the problem
• 54:36
  Speaker 3: is and they start doing the legwork to fix it.
• 54:38
  Speaker 3: That's where the truth of masculinity is. And nobody left,
• 54:46
  Speaker 3: right or center outside of the men's rights movement seems
• 54:51
  Speaker 3: to acknowledge that much less stand on it, much less
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: work with it. So I don't think she's I'm not.
• 55:02
  Speaker 3: I don't like to hate on women who can acknowledge,
• 55:07
  Speaker 3: you know, that they have that her hypergamy, or who
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: can value masculinity. But I don't. I don't think that
• 55:19
  Speaker 3: she's valuing it quite enough.
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: Oh no, no, obviously not.
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: Okay, she's just valuing the well, it's just like exactly
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: that's just what I was saying. She was for her,
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: and for many it's just not even like a left
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: right thing.
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: It's just women.
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: For most women, it just comes down to like how
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: do I what do I get out of it? And
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: I don't actually have to offer anything, and I will
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: demonstrate that.
• 55:44
  Speaker 10: So there's these young men who look at Andrew Tate
• 55:47
  Speaker 10: and the Tate brothers and they see somebody who's just,
• 55:50
  Speaker 10: quite frankly, a douchebag and disrespects women.
• 55:53
  Speaker 9: And because they've been so emasculated, they're like, oh, great,
• 55:55
  Speaker 9: that's a manly man. But that's not right either.
• 55:58
  Speaker 10: So at some point I think will go back to
• 56:01
  Speaker 10: maybe meeting in the middle. Here you can be a
• 56:03
  Speaker 10: man who has feelings and emotions, but you can also
• 56:06
  Speaker 10: go to war and protect and defend your family. I'm
• 56:09
  Speaker 10: hoping we can get back there. But the two extremes
• 56:12
  Speaker 10: right now, they're confusing men, and quite frankly, they're leaving
• 56:15
  Speaker 10: women with few choices.
• 56:17
  Speaker 9: And that's the real tragedy here, you see.
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: The real tragedy is women being affected by it. That's
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: the real tragedy.
• 56:26
  Speaker 3: The thing that she said about the Tape Brothers, I
• 56:28
  Speaker 3: got to point something else out too, right, So I'm
• 56:32
  Speaker 3: not going to call what they what they do and
• 56:35
  Speaker 3: say disrespect. I don't think that's an accurate description of
• 56:40
  Speaker 3: the term, right. Disrespect It seems to be to me
• 56:44
  Speaker 3: to be when you treat somebody with less respect than
• 56:47
  Speaker 3: they deserve, and and don't I don't think the Tate
• 56:52
  Speaker 3: Brothers do that. And I have seen the things that
• 56:57
  Speaker 3: they say and do that men like to deem misogynistic. Right,
• 57:02
  Speaker 3: So I'm not saying that with any ignorance. What have
• 57:08
  Speaker 3: women done to show the Tape Brothers that they're better
• 57:13
  Speaker 3: than they're being described? You know what? What are what
• 57:18
  Speaker 3: are women doing today to show that they deserve respect?
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: Oh? Well that's a good question.
• 57:26
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, And given given these guys are right, I
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: will I will say they're pimps, all right. Why would
• 57:33
  Speaker 3: you expect a pimp to respect women when his main
• 57:37
  Speaker 3: experience with women is that they are selling but for
• 57:42
  Speaker 3: the imusion of intimacy for money.
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: Yes, but that's his experience, that's true.
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: But the Tape Brothers still they measure their worth by
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: their their attractiveness towards women, right, They're still guide of
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: sen So what what so like? What is the criticism
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: here and the women who work for them or work
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: for them or whatever, like they were choosing that it's
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: like the Harvey Weinstein thing what they were I know,
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: but I'm just saying it is a completely like you know,
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: every fractual consensual contract. Yeah, and like you may not
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: like it, but it dude, it's this is what women
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: are drawn to if those are the guys that they're
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: being successful with.
• 58:29
  Speaker 3: There's this illusion that the overwhelming majority of prostitution that
• 58:33
  Speaker 3: happens is forced. It's false, all right. Women get into
• 58:38
  Speaker 3: circumstances because they have made stupid choices that they start
• 58:44
  Speaker 3: using drugs. They run away from home when they're a
• 58:47
  Speaker 3: teenager because they're mad that their dad told them they
• 58:49
  Speaker 3: couldn't go out with that guy, right, and then they
• 58:53
  Speaker 3: start getting into drugs. They don't go home when they
• 58:56
  Speaker 3: discover that living on the streets is harder than living
• 59:00
  Speaker 3: at home was. And then they get in with a
• 59:03
  Speaker 3: bad crowd and they don't decide that the people that
• 59:06
  Speaker 3: they're hanging out with aren't healthy for them, even girls
• 59:11
  Speaker 3: that you would think of as smart. All right, I
• 59:16
  Speaker 3: hung out with criminals when I was a teenager until
• 59:19
  Speaker 3: I got hurt and then I'm then I wised up
• 59:22
  Speaker 3: and was like, all right, that was stupid. I'm not
• 59:24
  Speaker 3: going to do that anymore. And you know, I've eventually,
• 59:29
  Speaker 3: uh went to the police and rated on a bunch
• 59:32
  Speaker 3: of people who were doing some really stupid shit at
• 59:36
  Speaker 3: the behest of adults, and got nowhere with it, moved
• 59:41
  Speaker 3: on with my life. Right, But a lot of goals,
• 59:43
  Speaker 3: that's not what they do. A lot of goals. Once
• 59:46
  Speaker 3: they're in, they're in, and they just dig that hole
• 59:50
  Speaker 3: deeper and deeper because they can't admit that was stupid.
• 59:54
  Speaker 3: I made a boneheaded choice, really dumb, and the consequences
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 3: are because I made a stupid choice, So I need
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 3: to make smarter choices instead. They're a victim of everything
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 3: that happens. Right, Well, it's not my fault that this
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 3: guy is, you know, terrible to me, just because every
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 3: opportunity they've had to get away from him, I've gone
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 3: back instead, just because every time the cops have been
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 3: called in, I've hidden the information from them and refuse
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 3: to testify against him and gone back to him as
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 3: soon as I get out of jail and he gets
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 3: out of jail and all that. No, you are stupid.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 3: If you're doing that, right, you are doing that to yourself.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 3: The minute that you accept I'm not going to get
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 3: you know, the help that's available to me. I'm not
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 3: going to reach out and take that. I'm gonna hide
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 3: and sneak around and continue to associate with this person
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 3: that's hurting me. You are being stupid. It's not somebody
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 3: else's fault, right, Even if the guy's behavior is his fault,
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 3: your tolerance of it is your fault. And that's that's
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 3: the secret that that people don't understand about prostitution, about
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 3: abusive relationships, about every circumstance where you know, some some
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 3: chick being loyal to a guy that's cheated on her
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 3: with every every skirt that has walked past, right, every
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 3: single incident like that, every single time like that, when
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 3: you have the opportunity to get away, get out and
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 3: and stop, go to rehab, go to therapy, anything but
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 3: go into jail again and again again and again. Yeah,
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 3: until you end up dead, which does happen quite frequently
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 3: with these women.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 4: Mm hm.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 3: Treat well, I've got to point this out, all right,
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 3: all right, we treat as a society, we treat the
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 3: many versions the not famous versions, the regular every day
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 3: in your city versions of the Tape Brothers, like they
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 3: are the bad guy from from the Great Race, you know,
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 3: like they are, uh, the the dastardly dude from cartoons
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 3: tying women to the railroad tracks. Like they went into
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 3: neighborhoods where innocent girls that never had any any exposure
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 3: to any of this stuff at all are living and
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 3: just grabbed them out of their houses and turn them
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 3: into prostitutes. And they're horrible. And all of the men
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 3: that are involved in in as consumers in this industry
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 3: know very well that these were just poor, innocent little
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 3: things that have been grabbed out of their poor innocent
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 3: little homes and tied to the railroad tracks for their pleasure.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 3: We act like that's the situation, and the women have
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 3: no agency. And as long as that's going to continue
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 3: in circumstances where women have less agency, where they are kidnapped,
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 3: where they are sold, where they are trafficked in foreign
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 3: countries and things like that, we're not going to stop
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 3: it because we're not going to be able to tell
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 3: the difference, right, and we're not going to be able
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 3: to hold women accountable for not taking help when they
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 3: need it, and so they won't. They won't reach out,
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 3: they won't go to rehab, they won't tell the police
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 3: who's abusing them, and they won't put a stop to
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 3: their circumstances. I don't expect anybody to like what I
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 3: just said, but I do expect some people to think
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 3: about it and consider the next time you hear somebody
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 3: talking about how the Tape Brothers don't respect women, maybe
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 3: it's because women have demonstrated to them over and over
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 3: again that when they're not con artists, when women are
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 3: not prostituting themselves to make money from dupes, that they
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 3: themselves are dupes. Why would anybody respect that?
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 2: All right, let's play some more of the video.
• 1:04:23
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• 1:04:34
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  Speaker 1: is five dollars and says fun fact feminism requires that
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  Speaker 1: you attribute malice.
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  Speaker 2: To men as a group. Thank you.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: We knew that, yes, but thank you for the super
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: Chow laptop. All right, so let's listen to I think
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: Andrew's gonna respond to Tommy Lawrence comments here.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 4: I completely agree with you, But Andrew, you was shaking
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 4: your head quite vigorously.
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  Speaker 5: Why Yeah, well, I it's just more feminine or feminist
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 5: nonsense ultimately, and the covert feminism in society is big,
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 5: especially on the conservative side.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 6: So here's here's what happens.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 5: Right, Women need to have feminine virtues, for men to
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 5: be pursuing masculine virtues, for you to say things like, well, men,
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 5: what I want is for men to protect me and
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 5: I want men to make money.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 6: Well that's great.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 5: What that ends up doing is it gives you is
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 5: a set of privilege in society.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 6: What do men get?
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 2: Look at her Facebook? Yeah, yeah, I know.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: And this is and this is the thing that like,
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: this is really like the thing that's hitting the nail
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: on the head. Well, it's the bit that makes people
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: the most triggered. When you say what are women's duties,
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: what are women's virtues? What are women bringing to the table,
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: whatever however you want to frame it, everyone gets so
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: upset no matter what, even the most reasonable people, they're
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: just like I can't believe that you're even proposing. But
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: the truth is, it's just it's just a true thing.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: Like if you're gonna say, you know men, because look,
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: I don't personally, I don't think women should be fighting wars.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: I think women fighting in wars are gonna get more
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: men killed because they're just not that good at it.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: So if we're if we're if we already have that
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: that inequality that really can't be addressed with all the
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: technology in the world, it doesn't matter. Men are better
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: at video games and women they'll be better at like
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: piloting drones.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 2: They're just better at that stuff.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: And that means that they're gonna be If we want
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: people to be effective, we're gonna need the most effective
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: people in those positions, and that's just gonna be men.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: So what that means is that we have to ask, okay, ladies,
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: what are you going to do? What is like, how
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: are you earning your place here in in our world?
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: And and this is something that literally, like Sargon got
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: bent out of shape over. It's like, dude, but there
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: is some like you have to accept that if women
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: are literally saying here, I want.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 2: This, this, this, this, this, this, this.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: And then somebody says, okay, so what are you gonna
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: give us. I don't have to give you ship, my presence,
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: my presence. I am the table and I can't be addressed,
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: Like you can't address it.
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 3: It can't just be women have the babies and then
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 3: men do everything else either.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, no, no, no.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 3: But but trad cons are.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: The most beautiful thing in the world. It's like, yeah,
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 2: but that's that's just one thing.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 3: Motherhood is incredibly messy. It's not it's beautiful. And yeah,
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 3: I suppose in a subjective I don't know abstract sense,
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 3: all right, but there's a lot of motherhood that is
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 3: downright ugly, and there's nothing wrong with that. I guarantee
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 3: nobody would have liked. Uh. You know the way that
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 3: I looked when I was demonstrating to my son in
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 3: the grocery store what he looked like having a temper
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 3: tantrum so that he would realize how embarrassing it was
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 3: and not do it again when he was three years old.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 3: Everybody in the grocery store looked entirely shocked. I still
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 3: remember the faces. But it worked right, and I you
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 3: know it was it was how I handled it. But
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 3: in any case, we have a situation today wherein we've
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 3: completely forgotten what a woman is. And it's not just
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 3: you know, oh, the biological you know question between biological
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 3: women and transfer. No, I am talking about what an
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 3: adult female is versus a stupid little girl who does
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 3: stupid little girl shit her entire life and expects to
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 3: be taken seriously. And women used to be responsible for
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 3: their families. They used to be as responsible for their
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 3: families as men. Your job as a wife, your job
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 3: as a mother, was to have your husband's back. Your
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 3: job was to make sure that when he came home,
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 3: he came home to a safe haven where he could
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 3: recover from the harshness of the world. Your job was
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 3: to make sure that he knew he was loved and
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 3: cared about, and that his children were going to be
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 3: provided for and protected and nurtured and taught wise things
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 3: and not stupid shit. And women aren't doing that anymore,
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 3: not even trad con women, because tradcon women are teaching
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 3: their sons to respect whoes respect right. Tradcon women are
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 3: teaching their sons to overlook the worst character flaws they
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 3: would never tolerate in a dude if the person that
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 3: they're looking at is female. Right, That is the stupidest
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 3: thing you can teach your boys. That is why our
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 3: divorce ray so high, because boys are growing up and
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 3: thinking that they can marry somebody who has never demonstrated
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 3: an ounce of accountability in her whole life and trust her,
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 3: and she's never going to betray him, and she's never
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 3: going to do anything stupid. She's not going to bankrupt
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 3: their family, she's not going to fail at raising their kids.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 3: She's not going to get pregnant when it's not helpful
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 3: to their family, which you can control as a woman,
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 3: because you have a dozen types of birth control with it,
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 3: like forty subtypes that you can choose from, and you
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 3: can also say no, not this week.
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 3: But yeah, we still call them women instead of you know,
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 3: dumb little girls that have grown up physically but not mentally,
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 3: and we still treat them like there's some degree of
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 3: respect that they are automatically entitled to over and above
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 3: expect for their humanity. And that's part a big part
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 3: of the reason why we have boys looking to, you know,
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 3: examples of men who basically exploit other men for a
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 3: living as opposed to men who have accomplished great things
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 3: in the world as their idol.
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 7: M.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 3: You know, there's also another fact here that they're probably
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 3: not going to talk about, all right, the school system
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 3: that's run by the women that are molesting their male students.
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 3: That school system has eliminated from its curriculum any discussion
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 3: of historical male greatness.
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 3: I grew up with guys who idolized Leonardo da Vinci
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 3: because he had so many ideas, and he wrote out
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 3: so many great things, and so many of his ideas
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 3: turned out to be workable, not necessarily focusing on any
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 3: personal life. I have no idea of his personal life.
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 3: I know all about the inventions because I grew up
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 3: with guys that talked about that, and girls too, Right,
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 3: I grew up with guys who idolized men who saved countries,
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 3: who invented new ways of doing things in modern medicine,
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 3: who invented new ways of processing food or farming, or
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 3: protecting people from bad weather or protecting people from other disasters,
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 3: who invented ways of saving life and preserving life and
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 3: improving life. And now boys don't learn about those guys.
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 3: They don't learn about anybody throughout history that has done
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 3: great things. Instead, they learn what terrible leaders their countries
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 3: had throughout history, and what terrible things their countries have
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 3: done throughout history, and how we owe other countries some
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 3: sort of apology and allegiance for having been successful throughout history,
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 3: and then they get told what terrible people they are
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 3: for being boys. Well, it's no wonder they're looking around
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 3: social media and finding the guy that is making the
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 3: most money or getting the most women and say, well,
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 3: I'm going to admire that guy. Who else are they
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 3: going to look at? Who's being held up as somebody
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 3: that they should look up to, somebody that they should
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 3: you admire, somebody they should emulate. Who is, say, Tommy
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 3: Lairn operating or offering as a as an alternative. She
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 3: hasn't named anybody who should you be like instead of
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 3: Andrew Tate. She hasn't said anything.
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 2: Well, let's let's listen to more for you.
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 5: What are we getting from women for doing that? Are
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 5: we getting chased virgins on our wedding night? No, we're
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 5: not getting chased virgins on our wedding night. Are we
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 5: getting women of great virtue? No, we're not getting women
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 5: of great virtue. The idea of courtly love is supposed
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 5: to be done for women of great virtue.
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 2: Where are they?
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 6: Well, they're nowhere, and so in modernity in society.
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 5: When conservative influencer female conservative influencers say this, it's actually
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 5: a form of covert set feminism. They're saying, I want
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 5: privilege in society, right, but what is it women are
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 5: giving to men to get it? What what are they
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 5: giving them?
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 7: Tell me, alright, I'm pausive, start talking at one.
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 2: I don't know. Yeah, I don't know why. The guy
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: jump just tried to chime in.
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: But let's let's listen to so Tommy Lauren is like
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: on a delay.
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 2: So this is why there's a pause. But let's let's
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 2: let's give a listen.
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 4: Chime in here, Yes you can, and then then James Cannon,
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 4: they'll come to usual.
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 9: No, I would love to.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 10: I love this whole thing of Like, if you're a
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 10: female conservative and you don't believe that men should be douchebags,
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 10: that all of a sudden you're a covert feminist. Call
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 10: me a feminist. I really don't give one crap one
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 10: way or another, but I can tell you this, A
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 10: lot of these men, these podcast hosts on the right,
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 10: that like to think of themselves, of these big masculine men,
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 10: and what am I getting out of it?
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 9: I can tell you this. I believe I'm a woman. Yeah,
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 9: there's the feminism. Oh and then and then you're interrupting.
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 10: Me to okay, I'm sorry, did you want.
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 9: To speak over I don't care care if you call
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 9: me yeah?
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, you're actually interrupting me. I didn't interrupt you
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 10: when you were spewing your bullshit. So now it's my turn.
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 9: Okay, So, like I said before, was great.
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 2: Well again there's a delay.
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: So, like you know, she thinks he's talking over her,
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: but he's just speaking after her, and it's confusing.
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 9: I believe. There we go again, peers. I'm a woman
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 9: of virtue.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 10: I happen to be independently successful. I have a husband
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 10: who's not only a former professional athlete, but is currently
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 10: a professional baseball coach.
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 9: So is he not a masculine man? I mean, I'm
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 9: confused here. What's your concentration?
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 6: A man respects me? Yeah?
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 1: That, so she says, want to virtue because I yes,
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: I'm I'm a successful business woman and I'm married to
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: a high value man. None of those things are virtues,
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: Those are not virtues, so she doesn't understand what that
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: is because she still exists in a materialist like feminist framework.
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 2: Which he's completely correct about.
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 3: Like she doesn't say a single thing that she does
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 3: for her husband, No she doesn't.
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 2: She and that they're gonna keep they're gonna keep hashing at.
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: This and you're gonna see that she never really does
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: understand like what is she brings to the table other
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: than her presence?
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 2: And I'm getting.
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 3: She also didn't say anything about loyalty, all right, And
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 3: I've I will I will say I've ragged on the
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 3: idea of you know, thoughts being becoming virginal because now
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 3: they're they're trad thoughts and everything. I'm not saying that
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 3: women are never redeemable, that they can't learn to be
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 3: better than they were when they were younger, when they
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 3: made a bunch of mistakes, because obviously that's not true.
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 3: I don't trust that most women do that because they
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 3: don't have the level of societal accountability that men do.
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 3: So a woman who was going to reform, a woman
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 3: who's going to demonstrate that accountability that has to come
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 3: from within, because it's not going to come from outside,
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 3: where men get it from within and outside. So in
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 3: that in that way, men are kind of lucky to
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 3: be kicked around by society because at least in the
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 3: process of getting kicked around by society, you learn to
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 3: make better choices, whereas women women have to figure that
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 3: out for themselves, which is really a rotten thing to
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 3: do to women. But it means that when a woman
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 3: does do that, you know you can at least she's solid, right,
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 3: you can at least trust that she's solid. But this
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 3: woman didn't say anything about that. All she said was
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 3: how great her financially she was and how manly her
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 3: husband was in her eyes. Well, and it's great that
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 3: she thinks that way, but but she didn't really give
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 3: any characteristics that make him man manly specifically, it's multi.
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 2: She chose him therefore, like his value was ascribed by her.
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 3: Coaching. Coaching can be an outcropping of manliness there desire
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 3: to mentor boys and everything. But you don't know just
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 3: because somebody is a coach that that's why they're doing
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 3: That's so she's like she's at the shallow end of
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 3: the pool when she talks about this stuff. She's not
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 3: talking about the virtues of her husband, that he's he's
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 3: a strong, nurturing husband and father. She's talking about, this
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 3: is what he looks like as a person, right, Yeah, No,
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 3: she's not talking about herself as as a supportive, nurturing wife. Yes,
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 3: she's talking about, this is what I look like. This
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 3: is my public image.
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 1: Here's what I have. Here's my clout. I'm putting my
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 1: clout on the table.
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 2: And that's right.
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: She doesn't understand virtue. That's why she's confused. She's like,
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 1: I said, all the right things I have. I have
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 1: a good life and a good and I'm high status
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: and I'm rich and I'm famous. What's what's the problem.
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: And Andrew's like, you haven't answered the question. So let's
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: let's listen to well.
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 3: And like as an example, if somebody she used her
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 3: husband of cheating on her, Like, let's say her friend
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 3: comes to her and says, I saw your husband in
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 3: this situation and it looked pretty hinky, and I think
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 3: that he's seeing this woman. Is she going to get
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 3: mad at him and start demanding explanations or is she
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 3: going to defend him to that woman first and then
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 3: investigate if she's not sure?
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 3: Is she going to Does she already know him well
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 3: enough to know that she can trust that that woman
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 3: is making a mistake or is she at the shallow
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 3: end in the relationship where again she's not sure because
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 3: if someone came to me and said that to me
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 3: about my husband, I would know already that it was bullshit.
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 3: You know, just because you see somebody talking to somebody
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 3: or he gives somebody a hug doesn't necessarily mean anything.
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 3: I would know because I know my husband and I
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 3: know what he would or would not do. And he
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 3: would know because he knows me, because he knows what
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 3: I would or would not do. This woman, I don't
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 3: think that she has that situation, because she would be
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 3: talking about it in those terms.
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 5: Yeah, kalinity is not only punished, but also women on
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 5: the right. Covert feminists on the right are constantly and
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 5: consistently talking about how they need to have privilege in society.
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 6: I want men.
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 5: Their version of masculinity is men who take care of us,
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 5: men who protect us, men who do all of this.
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 5: Those are all duties that men have towards women. Great,
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 5: what are the duties that women have towards men? What
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 5: are the duties that women have towards anything. What do
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 5: men get out of this arrangement? What are we getting
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 5: out of this arrangement?
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 6: Can you tell me?
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 3: I mean you, I don't think of this stuff. I
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 3: will point out again Allison should be known for saying
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 3: this because she said it for years before this guy
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 3: showed up.
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 1: Mm hmmmm, Well Allison should probably go on TikTok and
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: debate people or something like. I think that's how Andrew
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 1: built his brand. He went, he went into enemy territory
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 1: and he debated people. So now he gets on Piers Morgan.
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 3: It's not that easy. I was on TikTok. I signed
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 3: up for TikTok finally, I would say December, right around
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 3: the time I made the video the parody of my
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 3: Sharona to my Vagina video about people wanting to vote
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 3: for Kamala Harris because she was female. And I signed
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 3: up and then I went to log into the account
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 3: and it was already banned for several violations after just
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 3: putting in my name.
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, no, I mean I'm not she I got
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 2: to do it with TikTok.
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 1: But like, you just have to go and debate feminists
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 1: online somewhere, and that's what that's what Andrew does.
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 2: And yeah, I agree, Alison would demolish people if she
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 2: did it.
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 1: Let's let's uh yeah, let's let's continue.
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 4: Are born that told me, respond to that, and then
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 4: I'll come to you, just patiently.
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 10: So most men are born to be protectors and providers.
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 10: I can't imagine my dad saying you know what to
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 10: my mom.
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 9: You know what, I'm not.
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 10: Going to be a protector and a provider unless you
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 10: do this.
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 9: That's not how real men operate.
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 10: Real men are protectors and providers, and they marry women.
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 6: Who are woman telling us what. Lots of the people.
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 10: As well that are great mothers, great wives, caretakers of
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 10: the home. There's nothing wrong with being a traditional wife
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 10: and mother. You're misunderstanding me if you think that I
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 10: think that women should just be out doing whatever they want.
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 6: I think that women and what real men are that.
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 9: But I don't think a man needs to get protector
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 9: and a provider.
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 1: If you think, you know, I think he's choosing to
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 1: talk over her, but until her until a little bit later.
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 3: I think she deserves it, though, because what she did
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 3: there was basically say that, you know, it's okay for
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 3: women to exploit men as a protector and a provider.
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 3: Isn't if she hasn't done that herself, she wouldn't understand this.
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 3: I suppose. It isn't just some easy like you know,
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 3: you get up and you go to work every day
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 3: and you go home and it's done. It's every minute
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 3: of every day. The amount of stress. Women don't understand,
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 3: the amount of stress that goes into being the head
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 3: of household, being responsible for everything, Being the person who
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 3: doesn't get sleep at night if the bills are tight,
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 3: being the person who doesn't get sleep at night, if
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 3: the neighborhood is not great, and somebody might break into
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 3: the house because somebody broke into the house down the street, right,
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 3: or your car got stolen twice in four months in
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 3: the neighborhood where you live, and you can't afford to
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 3: move someplace else, and you know, these are things that, honestly,
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 3: you know, I didn't really understand when I was growing
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 3: up exactly how much sacrifice and stress and pain and
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 3: suffering and anxiety and agony went into being the father
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 3: in the household that I grew up in. What my
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 3: dad gave up to be a man and not a
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 3: little boy, right, and trapped in a man's body. And
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 3: I didn't really understand growing up what my mom gave
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 3: up to be an adult woman instead of a little
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 3: girl either. But because I married a divorcee whose ex
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 3: wife wanted every stinking little penny she could get when
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 3: when we were going through our child rearing years, when
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 3: we had our son at home, and so I was
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 3: the sole breadwinner for our house for years because the
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 3: government took every penny he made and gave it to her,
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 3: every penny they didn't keep for themselves, right, And they
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 3: actually dipped into my income too, and not through you know,
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 3: garnishing my wages, but by coercing me into signing away
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 3: my tax refunds every year. And it was coercive. Oh,
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 3: you have to consent to this is not consent. You
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 3: have to consent to this or your husband will go
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 3: to jail. Right, that's not consent, that's coercion. And so
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 3: I learned what it was like to be the person
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 3: who couldn't sleep at night if the bills were tight.
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 3: And I learned, you know, what it's like to be
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 3: the person who couldn't sleep at night if the apartment
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 3: wasn't safe, you know, because we couldn't move out, we
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 3: didn't have enough money to move someplace better. I learned
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 3: what it's like to decide you got to you gotta
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 3: get a second job, you got to get a third job,
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 3: or we're never going to be able to get out
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 3: of this neighborhood where our vehicle has been stolen twice
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 3: in four months, and where there are fifteen illegal immigrant
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 3: grant's living in the apartment next door and they keep
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 3: asking us for money. You know, I learned how that is.
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 3: And that's a tiny taste of what I've watched the
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 3: men around me dealing with. And I learned to pay
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 3: attention to that stuff because of my situation. I probably
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 3: wouldn't have ever figured it out. Most women don't because
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 3: they don't ever step out from behind that shield. Feminists think,
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 3: and most women think that we are no longer under coverture,
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 3: right because we don't have the restrictions and we don't
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 3: have the rules that we have to live by that
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 3: coverture put on women. But men are still under coverture,
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 3: and they're still restricted by it, they're still obligated by it,
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 3: they're still pressured by it, and they're still oppressed by it.
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 3: And honestly, Like these women that talk like like her
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 3: are a dime a dozen, but I'll bet one in
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 3: a hundred of them couldn't stand up to ten years
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 3: in poverty as the breadwinner for a family with a
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 3: husband in it because of the actions of the ex
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 3: wife and still maintain their conservative attitude. Like they couldn't
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 3: do it even without maintaining their conservative attitude. So uh yeah,
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 3: I I I'm tired of hearing about real men. All
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 3: men are real men. All men face those pressures, men
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 3: respond to them differently, but they all face those pressures.
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 3: Where are the real women?
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 2: That's a good question.
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 1: All right, let's listen to some more.
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 9: I quite frankly, don't consider you a real man.
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, a real man, but.
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 9: Not for nothing.
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 4: That's what I always love having on the show, you
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 4: know that. Let's go to a real man, James Binky.
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 2: All, I'm gonna jump ahead a little bit brief.
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 1: So uh yeah, I mean like she doesn't even know
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 1: what he's asking. It doesn't even come across like she
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 1: just presumes that.
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 2: She knows.
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 3: She's offended by the idea that being a woman isn't enough. Yeah,
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 3: she's offended that being expected to actually earn respect.
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 1: Yep, yeah, yeah, she presumes that it's all by default.
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 1: That's why. Well, she says that men doing stuff for
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 1: women is just like our nature. It's like natural, it's
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 1: our programming. So there is there should not be anything
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 1: less than just a general expectation for it.
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 3: And yeah, you know, she understood what she actually said
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 3: about herself there. She'd probably call it misogynistic. If men
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 3: being heads of household, if men being strong and brave
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 3: and making wise decisions, being mature about you know, not
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 3: being selfish, caring about other people, putting themselves last and
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 3: their families first, letting their bodies get torn up at work,
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 3: letting their minds get torn up by all that stress,
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 3: if that's the default for men, If men being mature
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 3: enough to be stoic about all of that in order
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 3: to ensure their their family members safety and security and
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 3: and well being is the default, And women don't have
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 3: a default that has anything even remotely approaching that women
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 3: can just by virtue of having a set of tits
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 3: and a pussy deserve the same level of and I
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 3: not necessarily respect, but I don't know cred right human credit.
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 1: I think they take more because men don't get anything
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 1: by default, right right?
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 3: If women are owed something just for having tits and
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 3: a pussy, right, that indicates that women are less than
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 3: men right there. Women don't have to have any virtue
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 3: to be viewed as virtuous. Women's default is I exist?
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 2: Yep?
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 7: Right?
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 3: That that puts women. It puts men way up here
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 3: and women like right about here in terms of value.
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 3: And I don't know if she realizes that she said that.
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 1: No, I don't think she's smart enough to realize that
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 1: instead of the best and brightest women staying at home
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 1: raising their children, that's a way better system.
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 6: It's always been a better I guess we're talking.
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 2: Women.
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 6: It's freedom of choice. It's freedom of choice.
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 9: I want my I love.
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 11: The fact that my wife's out there working, teaching kids
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 11: and building out a lessons I love that.
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 2: I love that.
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 11: Into your to your point about what do I get
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 11: from a woman. I have a home, I have three
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 11: beautiful children. I have communication in the house, and to me,
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 11: that means more than anything. Like I don't understand where
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 11: I'm not saying you're wrong in your world, But to
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 11: to sit there and say to a woman, what do
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 11: I get out of this? Woman that's treating her like
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 11: an object?
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 2: What whoa?
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 3: Because it's not treating him like an object when she's doesn't.
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 2: Matter, It doesn't matter, That's what I mean.
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 3: But women are active.
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 1: This is the default state for people, Like this is
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 1: where we are.
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 2: Like this guy is.
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 1: Not different from the average guy what he's saying, So, like,
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 1: we we have to understand how far outside the Overton
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 1: window we are.
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 2: We're way we're way outside.
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 1: And these people are really ignorant, Like I mean, I
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 1: think they're really ignorant on this, and that's why they're
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 1: just like what they fight for is to maintain their
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 1: perspective on the relationship between men and women and family
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 1: and everything as much as possible, because they don't want
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 1: their worldview shattered, and so they fight to hold onto it.
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 1: And when somebody that slightly outside the Overton window jumps
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 1: in and says something rational and reasonable, they're like, dude,
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 1: that sounds like objectification, which apparently is the worst. First
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 1: of all, it's not what it is, but that doesn't matter,
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 1: because they they are. What matters is that they're treating
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 1: it like it's the worst possible thing you could say
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 1: or believe, which isn't true, Like Andrew, I a little
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 1: bit of context because I cut I kind of started
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 1: in the middle. He was talking about how women are
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 1: essentially entering the workforce and they're having their children raised
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 1: by strangers, you know, in daycare and stuff like that. Obviously,
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 1: there are situations where people use their family members or whatever,
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 1: but he's talking about the common sort of setup where
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 1: a woman who is like a career oriented woman and
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 1: a mother and she's trying to do it all and
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 1: she's setting her kids a daycare while she you know,
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 1: like goes and does her job, or even you know,
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 1: like lower levels of schooling. Because they were talking about
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 1: the problems with education, of which there are many, especially
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 1: as it pertains the boys, and there's a reason why,
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 1: you know, it needs to be defunded, gutted, altered, you
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 1: know whatever. For most of history, we didn't have a
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 1: department of education. We had like families homeschooling their children,
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 1: and a lot of people still homeschool and ever since
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 1: COVID people have been doing it again. And so that's
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 1: kind of like the whole education system is under scrutiny, rightfully. So,
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 1: so what he's saying is something that Karen has said
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 1: which is women enter the workforce and they're just doing
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 1: the shit they used to do at home. They're just
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 1: doing it for less money now because they are bringing
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 1: lessbond home, because they're taxing twice as many people. They're
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 1: you know, serving people that they don't know, like and
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 1: and and so it's sort of like it doesn't really
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 1: it's not having the impact that you think it's having.
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 1: It's not making you as independent as you think it is.
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 1: And the whole basis, by the way, where women feel
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 1: more independent from their husbands because they have a job
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 1: is also based in a fear and distrust of their
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 1: husbands to take care of them. Like finance, and that
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 1: somehow is financial independence thing is really really important. Whereas
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 1: people who are very poor in countries that are much
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 1: worse off than ours make it work. They make it work,
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 1: they live within their.
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 3: Not always entirely true, there seems to be this misconception
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 3: in society that the way things are today in in
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 3: the post industrial age is the way things have always
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 3: been and the way things are in countries that are
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 3: not as industrialized and so on, and it's bullshit. Uh,
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 3: poor women women who in situations where there's just no
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 3: there's just no opportunity for their husbands at their education
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 3: level or their skill level or whatever to make large
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 3: amounts of money. Either it's because the economy is bad,
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 3: or because jobs aren't available in their field, or maybe
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 3: they weren't highly educatable growing up and so on. They've
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 3: always worked. There's always been this situation, and it's not
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 3: always been an outside the home necessary thing. Like historically,
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 3: not everybody that worked and earned money went to a
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 3: job somewhere away from their home. A lot of people
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  Speaker 3: their their work was I run a bakery and my
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  Speaker 3: whole family works there. Or their work was, you know,
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  Speaker 3: I'm I'm a cobbler, I make shoes, and my whole
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  Speaker 3: family works works with me. They may run a farm,
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  Speaker 3: lot of farmers, right, a lot of various different types
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  Speaker 3: of jobs that the whole family did together. And then
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  Speaker 3: you had whole families, including the kids working in coal mines,
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  Speaker 3: working in mills, working in as factories came into existence,
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  Speaker 3: working at the same factory and so on. And it
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  Speaker 3: wasn't until child labor laws came along said, oh, kids,
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  Speaker 3: no more working, You're going to put them in the
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  Speaker 3: school system. And then labor laws came along, like women
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  Speaker 3: worked in coal mines until Queen Victoria decided that that
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  Speaker 3: was too unfeminine and changed the system, and then they
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  Speaker 3: had to work outside instead of in the mine.
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  Speaker 2: And you know, these.
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  Speaker 3: These things evolved very broadly and very differently than the
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  Speaker 3: way that modern conservatives talk about it. They talk about
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  Speaker 3: it like there's always been a workplace away from the
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  Speaker 3: home that the man goes to and the women's days
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  Speaker 3: like we just went. We skipped directly from hunter gatherer
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  Speaker 3: to post industrial man working in an office or a
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  Speaker 3: factory or a sales floor or whatever, and a woman
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  Speaker 3: staying at home nineteen fifties, and everything that happened between
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  Speaker 3: prehistoric hunter gather societies in the nineteen fifties just doesn't
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  Speaker 3: exist our society. Western civilization evolved through a variety of
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  Speaker 3: different ways of living, in different ways of working. So
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  Speaker 3: the idea that women who work can't also engage in
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  Speaker 3: homemaking and caregiving for their families isn't true. What is
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  Speaker 3: true is that when women put work first, they cannot
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  Speaker 3: also put their families first. You can only put one
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  Speaker 3: thing first, and we have put men in a situation
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  Speaker 3: where they've been obligated to put work first instead of
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  Speaker 3: work being just a tool for them to support their
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  Speaker 3: families and make their their place in the world, their niche.
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  Speaker 3: And it's it's not that it is okay now in
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  Speaker 3: society for us to also do that to women, because
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  Speaker 3: women have like our work in the home has been oversimplified,
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  Speaker 3: and I mean oversimplified. It's that it's not okay that
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  Speaker 3: we did that to men, and there needs to be
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  Speaker 3: a bit of a pullback. Men and women used to
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  Speaker 3: be a team. Mothers and fathers used to tag team
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  Speaker 3: every problem that came along.
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  Speaker 6: Right.
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  Speaker 3: The reason I started working outside the home after having
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 3: my son was because there was a problem that came along. Right,
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  Speaker 3: Government's taken all of his income. The the only solution
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  Speaker 3: to that is for me to bring in income, and
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  Speaker 3: so that's us tag teaming. That meant he spent more
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  Speaker 3: time with the kids, and there was a lot of
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 3: benefit to that. That helped the kids a lot. So
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  Speaker 3: there was definitely a good reason for it, and there
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 3: was definitely benefit out of it. What I understood from that,
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  Speaker 3: and from how hard my dad worked to spend time
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  Speaker 3: with my brother and me and the benefits that we
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  Speaker 3: got from that, is that this modern idea that the
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  Speaker 3: kids are the purview of the mother, and that the
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  Speaker 3: father is just there to work and earn money and
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  Speaker 3: fund her family. That has to die if we want
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  Speaker 3: our kids, our future generations to still have a civilization.
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  Speaker 3: That's not how our civilization was built, and it's never
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 3: gonna survive that way. Men and women need to get
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 3: back to tag teaming in their relationships. They need to
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 3: get back to tag teaming problems as they come along
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  Speaker 3: and working together and stop arguing over stereotypes as if
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 3: they're real and historically accurate descriptions of how we live
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  Speaker 3: and how we were made to live, because we're never
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 3: gonna survive doing that. And that's all I see these
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 3: guys doing. There isn't a single person on this panel
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 3: who isn't promoting a stereotype. Not one. Mm hmm.
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  Speaker 1: All right, I got a super chow and then I'm
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 1: gonna have to wrap it up because I had to
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 1: go pick up Lindsey. So great Indoors gives us five
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  Speaker 1: dollars and says during a presentation by the union that
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 1: represents the sector I'm working in. They told us all
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 1: the great things they were working on championing women's rights
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 1: in the workforce, so I let out what about men's rights,
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 1: and a woman turned her back towards me and said,
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 1: are you a real man? And immediately I replied with
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 1: are you a real woman?
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  Speaker 2: And she didn't know how to react.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, many need to start responding to that with I'm
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry that you're suffering so badly. I didn't realize
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 3: that you were living under the illusion that some of
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 3: the men around you are not real. Have you seen
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 3: a doctor about this, because that's bullshit?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, for sure.
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  Speaker 1: So we'll we'll do the part two to this, because
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 1: there's like another half of the video. But I at
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  Speaker 1: least wanted to give you guys, like an idea of
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 1: where everyone on the panel here is starting from.
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 2: So but we I do have to end the show here.
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 1: Let me just check and make sure I didn't miss
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 1: any super chouts or super chows. And Allison is like,
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 1: was screaming from discord you should let me on. But
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 1: all I would say is you we were doing the
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 1: show at the time we were doing the show. If
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 1: you wanted to come on, you should have told me beforehand.
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  Speaker 1: Don't change plans the last minute, because I have to
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 1: like change everything around.
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 2: In my setup.
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  Speaker 1: It's not cool, tell me in advance that you want
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  Speaker 1: to do it, Okay, So anyway, I gotta wrap it
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  Speaker 1: Let usone you guys think what we talked about on
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  Speaker 1: the show today. We'll we'll do a part two to
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 1: this maybe next Friday.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it'll be two weeks for you, so maybe we'll
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 1: do the other half with Karen.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Or we could just wait two weeks and come back,
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 1: but by then I feel like there'll be something else
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  Speaker 1: going on.
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  Speaker 2: So anyway, let us go.
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