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Celebrating GTM with PositiveTalkRadio #403 (Crossover) - Kevin McDonald · BREAK/FIX the Motorsports & Vehicle Enthusiast Variety Show

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  Welcome to Positive Talk Radio.
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  Our goal is simple to explore evolving ideas, one conversation at a time.
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  So stay with us, and right now we present.
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  Are you a motorhead?
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  Do you like cars?
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  Do you like to learn all about cars?
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  Do you wanna know about somebody who knows all about cars while
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  you're talking to the wrong person?
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  But I brought somebody here, UCCI Farrick, who does know a lot about cars.
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  And they also do a podcast, which is called the Break Fix Podcast.
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  And, uh, uh, they have, uh, company, grand Touring, motor Sports and
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  all that kind of good stuff.
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  So, uh, crew Chief Eric, it's, it's a, it's my pleasure to have you on the show.
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  How are you?
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  Great.
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  And, uh, thanks for having me.
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  This is really exciting.
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  Looking forward to diving into maybe some of the lesser known parts of our story.
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  So thanks for having me.
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  Well, good, because I know very little about the cars that you work with, and
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  now that's, that's really not true.
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  My, my son is a mechanic and, uh, he's a, he's a diesel mechanic, so by
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  osmosis I'm supposed to know a little bit, but I don't know very much at all.
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  It's just, but I am interested in the story about how you got,
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  you know, on your website it says everybody's got a story and.
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  I'm interested in the story that you have as to how you ended up doing what
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  you're doing and being quite successful at it, by the way, so, you know, it has.
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  little to do with cars and a lot more to do with turns of events in my life.
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  So I gotta kind of step backwards before we can take the springboard
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  forward and talk about, you know, where things are today and why
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  break fixes exist and whatnot.
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  So as I was thinking about this conversation before coming on the show,
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  it really traces back to when I was a kid growing up in an immigrant family in
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  a semis strict Roman Catholic household.
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  I was constantly questioning.
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  my faith.
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  And I realized something early on that maybe I wasn't necessarily religious,
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  but a little bit more spiritual.
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  And I, I, to this day contest that there's only one truth I ever learned from all
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  the dogma and rhetoric that was forced in my throat, wi within private school
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  and things like that, which was from dust you came and from dust you shall return.
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  And what I mean by that is I kind of extrapolated a little further because as.
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  As I was growing up, I became a student of history.
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  I really enjoyed investigating people's lives.
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  I realized very quickly that history wasn't about dates and places and
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  names and memorizing that stuff.
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  It's really about links in a chain and how events.
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  Basically influence other events and, and things happen from that.
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  And ideas are born and then inventions are created.
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  And it's this just beautiful ecosystem when you kind of
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  sit back and look at things.
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  So you're like, well, what does that have to do with, you know, from dust you
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  cave and from dust, you child return?
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  So I kind of look at.
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  , the eternal life, the afterlife in the same way, and this is where the
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  spirituality part of this comes in.
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  In that history.
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  A person's story per se continue, a person themselves continues
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  to live on in this afterlife.
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  As long as your story continues to be.
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  Retold, it's all about that verbal history, about that tribal history,
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  that tribal knowledge that we learn about, you know, from the early days.
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  So all of that has influenced my life sort of in the background.
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  And that's why I say what, what I'm doing today has a lot more to do with that
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  and people that influence me in that way than it really does have to do with cars.
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  So, uh, how was Catholic school, by the way?
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  , the nuns were amazing.
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  I mean, my knuckles remember every minute of it.
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  I can only imagine.
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  I, I personally, I went to Lutheran school and you know, it's interesting
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  because you and I seem to have had the same kind of childhood because I
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  didn't buy any, I didn't buy a lot of what I was being told either cuz it's.
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  J doesn't make a, a bit of sense to me.
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  Um, well, in, in the medieval times it would've been labeled a heretic.
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  So , ah, yes indeed.
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  . And, and your beard would be burned off.
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  . , well, Lutherans and Catholics.
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  That's like Bud and Bud light, right?
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  It's saint guilt, half the calories or whatever.
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  Exactly, and it depends upon which Catholic or Lutheran church are in too.
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  Cuz I was part of the Missouri Senate, which is a very conservative,
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  uh, branch of, of the Lutheranism.
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  Of course everybody knows Martin Luther broke away from the Catholic
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  church and I'm surprised that he didn't get, uh, um, executed for heresy.
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  But uh, you know, but in any event, I found it to be really hard to take this.
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  And I agree with you this, um, Dust to dust kind of thing.
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  Um, and then what really got me was they kept on telling
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  me that come the judgment day.
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  See when you, when you die mm-hmm.
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  , you get married and then you stay buried until, uh, until the judgment day.
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  And then when you, then everybody will be revived and then they'll be walking
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  around like nothing happened, uh, kind of, kind of thing, but they'll
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  still have a physical body and that it just didn't make any sense to.
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  it's a little bit science fiction, a little, you know, and I'm not
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  trying to poo poo on anybody's beliefs or faith or whatever.
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  Everybody has a different outlook on things.
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  For me, it, it does read like a, like a zombie film sometimes . So as a kid, I, I
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  just didn't know what to think, you know?
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  Now as an adult, and I look back, I mean, I, I still have different
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  views on a lot of things, but I still hold true to those stories, whether
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  they're good, bad, or indifferent.
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  There's people that will live.
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  In celebrity and in infamy because their stories continue to be told
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  and others will just be forgotten.
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  And when that last person that knew you or knew of your story has
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  passed on, then you cease to exist.
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  And that's what's important about capturing living histories, capturing
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  the stories of people while they're still with us, and making sure those
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  perpetuate, especially now in the digital era, we have more ways of doing that.
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  I, I tell you, it's, it's, it's so true.
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  I have.
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  I'm a little bit older now.
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  I'm older than you by quite, probably quite a little bit.
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  And, but I remember, you know, like, uh, stars and people from way back
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  when, and, and I, I, the guy asked me one time, he, uh, a younger
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  person and, um, I gave him a riddle.
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  I said, okay, because he, he was saying that, uh, he'd
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  never, he'd never met a black j.
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  Um, and, and I said, well, there, there are lots of them.
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  And, and I said, well, I'll give you one example.
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  He had one eye, and you don't know who I'm talking about.
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  He had one eye.
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  He hadn't got into an accident.
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  He was a singer.
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  He was, uh, uh, one of the rat pack.
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  Um, and his name was, Sammy Davis, Jr.
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  Ah, see, and he couldn't come up with it.
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  It's, it's like it didn't, it didn't exist for him.
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  And so, you're right.
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  As as we go down the road, people and even famous people, I, I asked another
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  guy about Bob Hope, he said, who?
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  And, and Bing Crosby and, and, and, uh, Frank Sinatra and Dean Martin,
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  Dean Martin and Jerry, all those guys, they tend to fade over time.
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  Um, because as generations go, Things just change and I think it's a shame.
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  I think we should, I think we should honor the heritage that we come from and
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  the people that came before us because we're building upon what they did.
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  Years ago, and that, that's a very true statement.
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  And I think in some ways there are different verticals though, right?
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  Because you spoke specifically about the genre of music.
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  And so if you're an audio file, if you're a musician, if you study the history of
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  music or you're, if that's your hobby, you're gonna be familiar with Sinatra
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  and the rap pack and, and all those guys.
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  So they kind of live on in that community.
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  But the bigger question becomes how do we spread those stories to other
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  communities to then inspire folks to say, well, I want to be like so-and-so.
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  I want be like Sinatra.
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  I wanna be like Tony Bennett or whoever, you know, name your favorite celebrity.
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  You know, and that's part of my mission is to remind people that, at least in
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  our niche, because it's kind of funny, we have to label ourselves a niche
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  in the vehicle and motorsports world.
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  And when in reality it's a multi-trillion dollar industry,
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  it's, it impacts everybody's life, especially in the United States.
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  We are a car culture, whether we.
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  Whichever side of that argument we choose to be on.
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  Whether you're a dinosaur like me and enjoy petrol, or if you're
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  part of the next generation, early adopters of ev, it doesn't matter.
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  We don't have a mass transit system here, like in Europe where you
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  can just abandon cars altogether and not even think about it.
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  We're we're grounded in cars.
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  Cars influence music.
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  Music influence cars.
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  They influence society, architecture.
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  It's, it's amazing how entrenched they are in our day-to-day.
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  It really is remarkable because, well, without cars we would be.
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  Um, and America's pretty big, so , it's a big, it's a big ass place.
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  And, and it's hard to, you know, and I, I was a bus driver for a dozen
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  years in Seattle and they have a, a good bus system, but still there are
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  a lot of people that wouldn't take the bus and probably rightfully so, cuz
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  there's a lot of people who do take the bus who should not be taking the bus.
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  They should be in jail.
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  But that's the story for another time.
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  But, uh, but now see with your podcast, , you're now going to be immortal.
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  I, you know, one way or the other.
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  Cryogenically frozen, you know, or the or lemon style where you're
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  changing my blood, like an oil change every 30 days, whatever works.
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  I mean, you know,
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  So there's a couple, there's a couple reasons for that.
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  So let's kind of step backwards into that story and how it comes
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  from how we set the stage here in this particular conversation.
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  Grant Touring Motorsports, as it stands today, has been
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  an evolution over 20 years.
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  It's gone through several different iterations, and it's most recent
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  one that the last eight years that we've been around is really an
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  honor of my father who passed away.
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  He was a big personality in the DC and Maryland, Virginia area.
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  You know, how he contributed to the automotive community,
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  all these kinds of things.
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  And I grew up in the shadow of that, you know, growing up
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  around the racetrack for me.
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  Wasn't a hobby, it was a lifestyle.
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  It was just what you did.
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  And, you know, growing around up around really influential people that always
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  were full of stories and full of life.
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  I mean, petrol heads a really interesting bunch of people.
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  I mean, armchair quarterbacks for sure, in a lot of cases, like how you can do
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  better, you can always do better area.
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  They're always critiquing each other.
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  But at the, at the end of the day, they're, it's an interesting community of
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  people that are there to help one another.
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  If something goes wrong, something goes completely pear shaped.
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  , they drop everything.
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  They run to people's rescue.
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  You know, safety is always at the utmost, uh, uh, is paramount.
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  So it, it was just interesting growing up in that.
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  And so growing up in the shadow of that, uh, a lot of people,
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  you know, respected my dad.
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  They knew of my dad.
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  And then when he passed and he passed away at an early age from stage four, brain
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  cancer, sort of left a hole in my life because my dad was my best friend, right?
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  So I go with him everywhere at all these events, you know,
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  all these kinds of things.
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  And I didn't really know what to do.
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  And.
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  Like I had said, G T M had gone through different iterations.
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  At one point it had started out sort of as a car club specifically for one
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  mark, and then it became a business reselling parts, and then it went
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  dormant, and then we turned it back into this club honoring my father.
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  Um, by way of one of my high longtime high school friends and my
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  partner in all this, uh, Brad Novak.
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  So he came to me one day and he said, you know, we should
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  really get people together.
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  We should, you know, rename the grand to motorsports in honor of your dad,
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  you know, all this kind of stuff.
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  And just kind of went from there.
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  And we weren't really sure what we were doing, but I knew that
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  I needed to get back out there.
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  And my wife also sort of kicked me in the butt because, You know, loafing
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  around the house, depressed, you know, I don't really have any other hobbies
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  than being in the motor sports world.
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  And she's like, you gotta get out of the house.
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  You gotta do something.
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  . Right?
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  . And I'm like, oh, are you, are you sure?
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  Cuz I said, this is a slippery slope.
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  I said, if I go back into racing, it's, it's a whole, you
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  know, it's a whole ball of wax.
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  And she's like, yeah, do what you gotta do.
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  You know, just, just get it done.
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  And so, Started building all these relationships, all these friendships.
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  The car club grew like overnight and it allowed us to do other things.
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  And every year that we celebrated an anniversary, we celebrated it.
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  You know, in honor of my dad's passing and things like that.
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  And a lot of people that were in the club were, knew him and things like that,
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  and so we always wanted to do something more, something bigger, something better.
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  We're always brainstorming new ideas.
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  How do we keep things fresh?
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  Because in today's day and age, if you don't.
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  Evolve.
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  You die, right?
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  ? Yeah.
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  I hate to say it so bluntly.
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  So we're always trying to, to do something different.
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  And the podcast was on the back burner for quite a long time because as Brad
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  used to always tell me, he's like, does anybody really care what we have to say?
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  And that was perplexing.
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  That was a challenge.
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  That was a brick wall.
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  We had to figure out how to overcome.
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  But at that same time, we were already writing.
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  We had been writing for quite a long time.
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  The W.
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  We still enjoy the written word though.
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  People nowadays, it's all T L D R.
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  . Too long didn't read.
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  So we were asked over and over and over again.
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  Can you deliver this as audio, right?
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  We're trailering to racetracks.
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  We're driving to work.
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  The congestion in the DC area on the beltways is horrendous.
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  We have a ton of windshield time.
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  Can you do this as a podcast?
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  And again, the question comes up, does anybody care what we have to say?
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  So with the basic, but the reality, the reality is, is that you guys
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  have been doing this your whole lives and so you know a lot
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  about a lot of different things.
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  I have been reviewing some of your material and it's like I don't know
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  anything about it, but you do, you know, you're very, you're, you guys
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  are very astute at what you do and you interview well and it's, if
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  you like cars, this is a great.
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  A great forum for you to be on and you're, and because you're doing a
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  podcast now, you are now an expert Yeah.
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  By internet standards.
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  Absolutely.
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  So, and thank you for that.
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  And, and to your point, part of Brad and I's mission under the
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  hood is that we also want to.
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  Because there is a lot of, let's say, misinformation out there.
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  So I'm not an expert in all things Volkswagens as it would seem, or
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  Porsche or whatever, but it's great having people on the show that
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  are, I'll give you a prime example.
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  James Dean.
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  There are so many mysteries.
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  There are so many fallacies.
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  There are just so many rumors, speculation.
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  We had the world's foremost expert on all things Jane World renowned on our show.
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  To set the record straight, it's fascinating.
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  It's a long episode, but it's brilliant.
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  If you're into that era, you always wanted to know why.
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  He tells you exactly why he literally wrote the book on it, several of them.
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  So to me, those things are fascinating and I wanna share that with other people.
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  I wanna educate other people and be like, see, this is awesome.
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  You don't have to read it on Google, you don't have to, you
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  know, look it up a Wikipedia.
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  This is coming from the source, from the expert.
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  So I think that's absolutely just tremendous.
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  And James Dean, I mean, and he only made a couple of movies
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  and, uh, before he passed.
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  And it was, you know, it was not a, it was not a good time that a lot of
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  people had when, when that happened.
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  Um, but a lot of people don't know, and he's one of those guys that should live.
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  In film and, and in our minds for a long time.
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  Um, but, and I, you know, I gotta be honest with you, I'm not even
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  sure and Eric, that I remember, why didn't he die in, he died in
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  an automobile accident, didn't he?
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  That is correct.
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  At a high rate of speed in an intersection.
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  Not too far from Salinas.
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  In a inance curve, wasn't it?
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  Yeah.
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  In a, in a brand new Porsche that he had only had for about nine days.
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  . Yeah.
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  And, uh, Jan, Jan and Dean made a, did a song about him, I believe that
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  was, which was Dead Man's Curve.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  . Mm-hmm.
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  . I, I think, yeah.
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  It's amazing what you remember when it just comes flooding back in.
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  But, but I love that.
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  And I, I do the same thing on with, uh, the type of guests that I have on
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  is, is to, uh, is to encourage people and, and help people to think about
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  things in a little bit different way.
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  And so, The other sort of undertone here as well is it's a bit,
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  a little bit twofold and, and again, it surrounds death, right?
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  A lot of this kicked off cuz my dad passed away and I was
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  trying to fill a void, right?
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  So in some ways, I guess it's, it's self-healing and that you, you take care
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  of depression by keeping yourself busy.
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  And I'm a bit of a workaholic anyway, and, and I always have
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  been, and even before this, this occurred, but it really motivated.
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  Do something.
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  I wanted to be an agent of change in the motor sports community.
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  I wanted to get these stories told.
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  So again, we, we founded the club, we were writing the podcast was on
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  the back burner, stuff like that.
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  And then it hit me later down the road because my first daughter was
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  born many years after my dad passed.
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  And you know, he never got to, to meet my kids, uh, both of them.
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  So I kind of thought secretly the show could be this time capsule that.
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  My kids later could sit back and.
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  Dad met all these super cool people from all over this, you know, huge industry.
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  Got to interview them, share their stories, you know, all this kind of thing.
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  And so I, I do it for them in a way that if I'm taken early, they can go back.
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  They can hear my voice more than just, I'm left with literally 20 seconds
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  of my dad's voice on a voicemail, you know, on his old cell phone number.
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  And my mom the same way.
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  She's like, that's it, you know, we don't have a ton of home movies.
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  We don't have all this kind of stuff.
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  And so, , I want to have something for them to fall back on.
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  Right?
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  And so when we, when Covid hit, we finally decided, because we were all
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  sitting at home, basically sitting on our hands, staring at each other.
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  And you know, it's like, well, we can do iRacing and watch whatever's
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  going on in the automotive world, but the tracks are closed.
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  Everybody's grounded.
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  What are we gonna do?
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  I called Brad and he's like, you wanna do this podcast thing?
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  And so I turned back to him and I.
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  , you think anybody cares what we have to say?
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  So we finally said, finally, let's do it.
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  Although we did our research, like everything else, we're
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  a little bit pragmatic.
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  So, you know, reached out to people.
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  Some folks we know that we're already podcasting said, what are we gonna do?
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  How do, how can we be successful if we do this?
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  You know, what does it take to get the job done though we were
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  motivated and excited to finally get this thing off the back burner.
• 18:55
  And you know, a lot of folks, , basically the same mentality we have at the tractor.
• 19:00
  Just like send it, just, just do it and see what happens.
• 19:02
  And if it works, it'll build itself and just kind of go from there.
• 19:06
  One piece of advice we were given is that since we were still writing, and
• 19:10
  we still do not as much as we used to, but we still do, was try to transition
• 19:16
  your audience, try to stick to what you know, and then go from there.
• 19:20
  And we did that for the first season, which the first season's
• 19:22
  kind of short and part of season two.
• 19:24
  And at that time, one.
• 19:27
  My really close friends, uh, his name is Matthew.
• 19:30
  I always viewed him as like kind of my crazy uncle, older brother.
• 19:33
  He was also close with my family and with my dad, and so we go way back.
• 19:37
  I mean, I met him when I was super young and he kind of fit an age bracket between
• 19:41
  me and my dad too, which was interesting.
• 19:42
  So Matthew was always like, yeah, you should do this.
• 19:45
  You really should.
• 19:46
  You should get, you should get people on here and talk to them
• 19:48
  because he goes, you know what?
• 19:50
  Motorsports is a sport of con.
• 19:52
  Not necessarily of loyalty.
• 19:55
  I said, that's a really interesting outlook, but he's not wrong because
• 19:58
  people will get into, you know, hobbyist motor sports if they're not
• 20:01
  on the Pro-am level for about three to four years, and then they disappear.
• 20:05
  And suddenly all those stories you were, you heard a hundred times.
• 20:09
  And Pat used to tell the story about Bob, Bob would talk about this.
• 20:12
  And then you turn around and you're like, wait, I'm the
• 20:14
  only one left in the paddock.
• 20:15
  Like this is really bizarre.
• 20:17
  And it just happens almost organically that they're here today, gone.
• 20:21
  And so, you know, Matt kept saying, you gotta capture these stories,
• 20:24
  you gotta capture these stories.
• 20:26
  And I'm like, or he used to actually say, everyone has a story, right?
• 20:29
  And I'm like, oh, okay.
• 20:31
  And it never really dawned me.
• 20:33
  So the first two seasons, you know, I'm apologetic for them, like everybody is.
• 20:36
  When they kick off a new venture, it's like, we're still
• 20:38
  trying to find our ground.
• 20:39
  The microphones are terrible, we're doing it on the cheap,
• 20:42
  just trying to find our way.
• 20:45
  And then, He's so, he was suffering from double kidney failure.
• 20:52
  We had done some things in the past also to raise money, you know, got him on
• 20:55
  the kidney donor list, did some charity racing, all sorts of stuff for him.
• 20:58
  And then just like that, he was gone.
• 21:02
  And that happened, uh, 2021 between Thanksgiving and Christmas.
• 21:08
  And then not even a couple weeks later, my mother-in-law tr.
• 21:12
  Suddenly passed away as well.
• 21:14
  And so we were faced with this, you know, double death in the
• 21:16
  family, you know, and it was just like, oh my God, what do we do?
• 21:19
  And you know, in the advent of all that middle of winter in 2022, I'm
• 21:26
  sitting there, it's cold as all get out.
• 21:28
  It's snowing.
• 21:29
  I'm actually working on some episodes and I'm just like, I,
• 21:32
  I had this wave come over me.
• 21:34
  I'm like, I just can't do this right now.
• 21:35
  I just, I'm not in the mood, you know, you get that in that
• 21:38
  funk and you're just like, Ugh.
• 21:39
  You know?
• 21:40
  Oh yeah.
• 21:40
  You kind of feel almost like the depression.
• 21:43
  creeping up on you and you're like, I, I gotta get outta here.
• 21:45
  I gotta clear my head.
• 21:46
  So I went down to the garage and I'm, you know, looking at the race
• 21:49
  cars and, you know, it's like, oh, let me go turn some wrenches.
• 21:52
  You know, that's, I always find that kind of cathartic just to start
• 21:54
  working on something cuz I can lose my thoughts and, you know, rewiring
• 21:58
  something or modifying something.
• 22:00
  And as I'm, I'm actually just, I didn't even wanna do that.
• 22:04
  I was just like, Ugh, I'm just so not motivated.
• 22:06
  So I started cleaning up the garage and then I noticed this stack of.
• 22:10
  Post-its, and I'm like, I kept hearing kind of Matt's
• 22:14
  voice in the back of my head.
• 22:16
  Everyone has a story every, you know, and I think every car has a
• 22:18
  story cuz I'm looking at the cars and I'm like, everyone, every car,
• 22:22
  sorry, I wrote it on a sharp with a sharpie on the, on the card.
• 22:26
  Every car has a story.
• 22:28
  And I was like, that just doesn't work for me.
• 22:30
  So just as a joke to myself, I did what my English teachers would normally do is take
• 22:34
  a another red marker and scratch it out.
• 22:37
  , everyone has a story.
• 22:39
  Then I just started kind of laying it randomly in the garage in different
• 22:43
  spots and taking pictures, and the first two pictures I took are with my dad's
• 22:47
  last race car, longtime project car.
• 22:50
  It's been in the family since I was about five years old.
• 22:53
  And you know, I'm working on it myself and all this kind of thing,
• 22:56
  and I just kind of laid it there and I looked at it and I just got
• 22:59
  overwhelmed, like, you know, just, it was, it was, it was heartbreaking.
• 23:02
  Right.
• 23:03
  And the picture you see now today, you know, a couple seasons later of the
• 23:08
  show's cover art is actually the second picture I took sitting across the steering
• 23:13
  column with the gauges in the background.
• 23:15
  And you'll notice the, the lanyard, uh, the, for the keys of the car are there.
• 23:20
  And I didn't even plan that.
• 23:21
  Like everybody's like, I have such a staged picture and it's not, I
• 23:24
  just randomly dropped the Post-it there and I took the picture
• 23:28
  of it and I was like, that's.
• 23:30
  , that's, that's where we're going.
• 23:32
  That's where we're taking this message.
• 23:34
  We're gonna try to reach as many different people in different corners of this
• 23:39
  industry to get their stories out there.
• 23:41
  And that's where you see this sudden drastic change in Break Fix podcast,
• 23:45
  where it went from sort of, you know, club related and articley and things
• 23:50
  like that into this world of living history and everything that we're doing.
• 23:54
  Well, and if you go to your website, you will see on the very front page,
• 23:58
  you'll see a bunch of people that are carrying a little sign that says,
• 24:03
  every car crossed out one has a story.
• 24:08
  Which is a really, a really cool idea cuz you're getting all kinds of people that
• 24:12
  guy's gonna, yeah, that's a race car.
• 24:14
  Uh, , I know that much.
• 24:17
  So there's a lot of, uh, uh, it's a great tagline.
• 24:21
  It's, it's a great idea and everybody does have a story, and that's right.
• 24:25
  Yours, yours is around automobiles, by the way, I wanted to ask you before we got too
• 24:29
  far, um, do you feel comfortable telling us what your, what your dad's name was?
• 24:35
  Y yeah.
• 24:36
  So he went by ni.
• 24:39
  Okay.
• 24:39
  And, uh, and he passed away, what?
• 24:43
  Eight years ago, by the way.
• 24:44
  I'm sorry for your loss, . Uh, it would've been 2010, so
• 24:47
  almost 13 years ago in March.
• 24:50
  Yeah.
• 24:50
  I lost my dad in, uh, 2006, um, and stuff.
• 24:55
  And, and, you know, we lose, we lose people.
• 24:59
  As matter of fact, I just, a friend of mine that, uh, I drove a bus.
• 25:05
  put on, uh, Facebook in December that, uh, he'd been diagnosed as, uh,
• 25:09
  with a terminal, something or other.
• 25:11
  He didn't say what?
• 25:12
  And he died yesterday.
• 25:14
  Oh, no.
• 25:14
  So you just don't know when it's gonna happen to you.
• 25:18
  So you've got to, um, do the best you can to put it out there and put
• 25:23
  everything, put it all out there.
• 25:25
  Yeah.
• 25:26
  Yeah.
• 25:26
  Absolut.
• 25:27
  So congratulations on what you're doing, . Thank you.
• 25:31
  And, and, you know, and, and it's more than just the show too.
• 25:34
  Like I said, we try to also put on charity events.
• 25:36
  We've done things in honor of Matthew for the National Kidney Foundation.
• 25:40
  We did a golf tournament to raise money that we did that
• 25:42
  actually while he was still alive.
• 25:44
  But we've also done things in organized with folks like the American Cancer
• 25:48
  Society and raised a whole bunch of.
• 25:50
  Uh, it was last year and donated that in honor of my dad and other people that,
• 25:54
  that we know that have died of cancer.
• 25:56
  We've done lupus.
• 25:57
  Brad's mom actually passed away from lupus when he was really, really young.
• 26:01
  Now obviously there's been tons of advances in, in medicine and
• 26:04
  science where lupus is a little bit more controllable than it was.
• 26:07
  So all of us on the team have lost somebody, especially
• 26:10
  somebody really important to us.
• 26:11
  So it's really important.
• 26:12
  You know, not only do we educate, but we also try to do some fundraising and
• 26:16
  we try to give back to the community.
• 26:18
  And, and it's really been an interesting experience to link up with folks like
• 26:23
  the a c s or with Lupus or with N K F and bring them to, let's say, a track event.
• 26:28
  Um, a c s was super excited.
• 26:30
  They're like, we're gonna do a, you know, light the night track walk sort of thing.
• 26:34
  We'd never done that before, especially out in Jefferson County, West Virginia.
• 26:37
  We did it at Summit Point.
• 26:38
  They were so gracious to host us.
• 26:39
  It was, it was amazing.
• 26:40
  And so, it, it, it was really popular and they're excited to do it again,
• 26:45
  and we hope that we can organize that.
• 26:46
  It's been always kind of tough to, you know, set those things
• 26:49
  up scheduling wise and whatnot.
• 26:50
  But, you know, we want to do more things like that.
• 26:53
  We want to be more involved and get people excited about, you know, our world, the
• 26:57
  motorsports and vehicle world and, and.
• 27:00
  how they can, I guess, grow out maybe their experience.
• 27:03
  Because again, to your point, everybody has a story.
• 27:05
  We've all got that story about, oh, my first car in high school,
• 27:08
  my first date I met my wife.
• 27:10
  But it all, it all plays together, right?
• 27:12
  Because in some ways it involves a car.
• 27:14
  So I, I, I just think it's fascinating how it all ties together.
• 27:19
  Yep.
• 27:19
  I'm so old that, uh, my first car was a Plymouth Fury, three, um, 3 83 in
• 27:26
  underneath the hood, and it was 1967.
• 27:29
  Um, my, my apologies, . No, I'm just kidding.
• 27:32
  , those are great cars in today's standards cuz you could do so much with it.
• 27:35
  But that's a, that's a story for another day, but, uh, it, it is indeed.
• 27:39
  So, you know, it's interesting because everything that has happened to you, . It
• 27:45
  is kind of, in my opinion, it's kind of by design and it's gotten you to
• 27:49
  where you are today and, and, uh, e even losing your dad, I, I still, I
• 27:55
  believe that he is still around you.
• 27:58
  Mm-hmm.
• 27:58
  and, and is, uh, and is very proud of what you're doing.
• 28:01
  And, uh, especially the, uh, the charity work and the things that you're doing.
• 28:06
  How do you get out to see all these people?
• 28:09
  Where, where do all these people come from?
• 28:12
  You know, it, it's sort of interesting, the, the internet is
• 28:16
  a blessing and a curse sometimes.
• 28:19
  And so being in being able to sit down with folks and talk to them in a relaxed
• 28:24
  environment has been really easy.
• 28:26
  Post covid or even during Covid cuz everybody was used to calling
• 28:29
  up their grandkids or their, their siblings or whatever via Zoom.
• 28:33
  And so that's how we do it.
• 28:34
  And so we schedule with them.
• 28:36
  They come on.
• 28:36
  Some people we've done live in person cuz they're local.
• 28:39
  Or we've done them at events, we'll go to races as part of the Press Corps and sit
• 28:44
  down with folks and interview them there.
• 28:46
  It's been fantastic.
• 28:47
  So it's a lot of, you know, scheduling, it's a lot of coordination, but at the end
• 28:52
  we do a majority of it virtually, so that that opens us up to anybody in the world.
• 28:57
  We've had folks as far as Spain and Portugal, Portugal, come on the show and
• 29:02
  I mean, there are a lot of people centered here in the United States, but we're open
• 29:05
  to anybody, you know, as far as we can.
• 29:07
  You know, it's, it's interesting that you bring that up cuz I just,
• 29:11
  I have always wanted to, because I'm a podcaster and I've been doing
• 29:14
  this for, um, for a while now.
• 29:16
  Um, I could probably pass myself off as being a press guy and, uh, and get into
• 29:23
  some of the, uh, press conferences and stuff of like, I'm a Seattle Seahawk fan.
• 29:29
  Um, and maybe I could get into one of their Did.
• 29:33
  Is that what you did?
• 29:34
  Because you are, it's.
• 29:37
  Yeah, it's a game.
• 29:38
  It's a game changer.
• 29:39
  And so we were very fortunate to meet in some really circuitous
• 29:44
  ways, a couple different PR people, um, just to name a few.
• 29:48
  Cindy Miel, who works with Chris Bright from Collector Part Exchange,
• 29:51
  and Don Weber from Garage Style.
• 29:52
  She's hooked us up with a lot of other people because it, it's sort
• 29:55
  of like this Kevin Bacon game and there was one guest that took us
• 29:59
  almost a year to get on the show.
• 30:01
  And, you know, just persistence pays off and.
• 30:03
  They mentioned somebody and then we research them and then we connect and it
• 30:06
  just, you know, spirals outta control.
• 30:08
  And then on the other side, we did an episode with Rob Holland, who's
• 30:12
  a, from Rotech Racing, who is part of the World Challenge series, an
• 30:16
  episode about diversity and how he's working with the World Challenge Racing
• 30:19
  organization to, you know, bring more people in from different backgrounds and
• 30:23
  things like that, and his experiences in the Herberg ring and whatnot.
• 30:28
  I just happened to be on LinkedIn one day and I made a post writing
• 30:31
  on top of something that he said, and it got the attention of the
• 30:34
  press officer over a real challenge.
• 30:36
  And I got this phone call and man did I think I was in trouble.
• 30:38
  I was like, oh boy, I did something totally wrong and.
• 30:42
  . Lo and behold, it was actually a really great thing.
• 30:45
  They're like, Hey, you know, we don't have the bandwidth to do this sort of thing.
• 30:48
  Are you willing to come on board and, you know, come work with our guys and meet
• 30:52
  the drivers and the teams and you know, we'll make introductions for you guys.
• 30:55
  And then you do, you know, you do what you need to do.
• 30:57
  And so sometimes you fall backwards into it and sometimes it comes to you.
• 31:01
  Right?
• 31:01
  So it's, it's been an interesting ride and.
• 31:04
  We're always looking to connect the dots.
• 31:06
  I mean, especially if someone comes on the show and they name drop
• 31:09
  somebody, I, I'm making a note now.
• 31:10
  I'm not, I'm not trying to specifically target, but I'm like trying to see,
• 31:14
  trying to build this almost mental map of how the community is tied
• 31:18
  together and it becomes really small.
• 31:20
  After a while you start to notice like who knows who, uh, in especially
• 31:24
  in the motor sports side of the.
• 31:26
  I imagine in the MO because it is fairly specific, uh, the motor
• 31:32
  sports side, um, of, of just life.
• 31:35
  Cuz there are people like me.
• 31:36
  I, I mean I've never been to a NASCAR race in my life or, or any, any really,
• 31:41
  any, any car race or anything like that.
• 31:43
  It's just, It isn't been my wheelhouse, but, uh, but for somebody who likes that
• 31:48
  stuff, my, my brother used to before he passed away, you know, it can, have
• 31:52
  you noticed by the way, that a lot of people are passing away right now?
• 31:56
  Yeah.
• 31:56
  It's, it's, we're sort of on that cusp, right?
• 31:59
  . There's a certain age group that's, that's phasing out right now.
• 32:02
  I, I, yeah, I guess.
• 32:04
  And, uh, , I have an associate, this is, um, that, uh, works with me on positive
• 32:09
  talk and she says, you know, , what are we gonna do if you go and die?
• 32:15
  It's like, I'm not gonna die.
• 32:17
  And then she'll point out, well, you know, you are 65 and she's a funeral director.
• 32:22
  And so she she sees a lot of people my age that are going, going away.
• 32:26
  So, uh, but she, but you gotta keep going.
• 32:29
  You gotta keep doing Exactly.
• 32:31
  And, and know, and I love what you do with.
• 32:35
  Celebrating people and having them on your show and stuff,
• 32:38
  and especially older folks.
• 32:40
  Mm-hmm.
• 32:41
  that I, I did something called, um, family Legacies and I wa I wanted to
• 32:48
  interview older folks, like somebody's dad or their grandfather, something
• 32:54
  that, that was in their eighties or nineties and or late seventies, eighties
• 32:58
  and nineties, because I wanted them, I wanted their, , I wanted their, their
• 33:03
  story to be able to go to the family and to follow, follow the family as what
• 33:09
  they, you know, so that they're grandkids and their great grandkids and stuff.
• 33:14
  And, um, I think we need more of that.
• 33:17
  We need to celebrate that.
• 33:19
  And I've been approached by several people who support the show too.
• 33:22
  And they're, they're just like, you need to interview so-and-so,
• 33:24
  you need to interview this person.
• 33:26
  And I'm just like, scribbling names down.
• 33:27
  And I'm like, okay, well if you have a connection, you know, gladly.
• 33:30
  I'm never gonna say no because that's one less sort of idea I have to
• 33:33
  come up with is I need to interview.
• 33:35
  You know, whoever.
• 33:36
  One of them recently came out, we pre-release this episode.
• 33:39
  It's gonna come out a little bit later in the year on the main
• 33:42
  server, but you can get it over.
• 33:44
  Exotic Car Marketplace today.
• 33:46
  I was approached by one of our supporters and he goes, you really
• 33:48
  need to interview Bob Garrett.
• 33:50
  And I'm like the, the name sort of rings a bell, but I'm not putting it together.
• 33:54
  Had you said, you know, Brian Redman and Bobby raha and some others
• 33:58
  and I would've like, oh, okay.
• 34:00
  So we have a new co-host that's come on who's working with me specifically
• 34:04
  on the golden era of sports car racing.
• 34:06
  So these are all the pro drivers from the seventies through the early nineties.
• 34:10
  Folks like Bob Garrettson and Bobby Ray Hall and Brian Redman and others.
• 34:14
  And tho they all happened to be teammates, by the way, at one point.
• 34:18
  So this is a little behind the scenes.
• 34:21
  I'm scouring the internet.
• 34:23
  I'm trying to look up Bob's story because I do a lot of research on my guests.
• 34:27
  I, when I interview them, I want to ask more intimate questions.
• 34:31
  I, we always start out the same, right?
• 34:32
  Who, what, where, why?
• 34:33
  Tell me how you got into cars.
• 34:35
  Did you come from a racing family?
• 34:36
  Did it start as a kid?
• 34:37
  Did you come into it later in life?
• 34:39
  Because I want them to build that.
• 34:41
  I want them to build that foundation so that people understand that you don't.
• 34:45
  You're not just a car person, you blossom as a car person.
• 34:49
  You evolve through that, right?
• 34:50
  And then maybe you found your way as a driver.
• 34:53
  You found your way as a designer cause we've had those folks on,
• 34:56
  or you're an artist or whatever.
• 34:57
  But there's always this pivot point, something that sparked that interest
• 35:00
  in, in cars, whatever it was.
• 35:02
  Maybe the one that drove by your house every day, or the first
• 35:04
  one you saw at the racetrack.
• 35:06
  So that said, I'm scouring the internet looking for information on Bob Garretson.
• 35:11
  and I'm, I'm coming up with nothing.
• 35:12
  I'm just turning up dirt, no potatoes, right?
• 35:15
  And I'm like, this is crazy.
• 35:16
  So I, I reach out to my friends up at the International Motor Racing
• 35:20
  Research Center in Watkins Glen, and I said, Hey, I'm having a hard time.
• 35:24
  Is there anything in the archives about Bob?
• 35:28
  and Josh Ashby, one of the researchers there, awesome guy.
• 35:31
  He hooked me up.
• 35:32
  He's like, hi, here's the photos we have, here's the racing results.
• 35:35
  Here's everything we've got on Bob, including a, a short article that we
• 35:38
  wrote up on him, you know, many years ago.
• 35:41
  I'm like, all right, cool.
• 35:41
  This at least gives me something to go on.
• 35:44
  But it, it was information that wasn't necessarily publicly accessible.
• 35:48
  and still I'm sort of like, who is this guy?
• 35:50
  I'm, I'm still not putting it together cuz he was only in a handful of races.
• 35:53
  And I'm like, this is just, why, why is it so important that we interview him?
• 35:57
  So again, I have my new co-host on Mike Carr and we're talking, you know, the
• 36:02
  old days of racing and this and that and Bob's just kind of going along and
• 36:06
  his story, he's 90 years old, right?
• 36:08
  And I'm.
• 36:10
  and we're both looking at each other cuz he's on the phone so he can't see us.
• 36:13
  And we're kind of like, what is going on?
• 36:16
  Like, who is this guy?
• 36:17
  Where is this story going?
• 36:18
  Because again, we don't have a lot to build on and
• 36:21
  suddenly it all comes together.
• 36:24
  And he mentions, he starts on this path, on this tangent about Steve
• 36:27
  Jobs and, and we wasniak and we're.
• 36:32
  , you know, just, just puzzled face and he's continuing to talk and
• 36:35
  this and that, and he's building up to this crescendo of the story.
• 36:38
  And then I see Mike's jaw hit the floor and the my light bulb went off and
• 36:43
  we went, oh my God, this is the guy who owned and raced the famous, even
• 36:51
  if you're not a car person, the Apple computer, Porsche . And it's like, it's
• 36:58
  one of the most famous cars like ever.
• 37:00
  And you're just, Whoa.
• 37:02
  And it just completely changed the whole latitude.
• 37:04
  And then it's like it all collapsed and we were able to really kind of,
• 37:07
  you know, put the whole thing together.
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  And so it's, it's moments like that when you're in the middle of a story
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  and a, and a guest takes you on this journey and you're like, whoa.
• 37:16
  And it's happened.
• 37:17
  Even when you kind of know what's coming, you're like, I didn't expect it
• 37:20
  to be that intense or that much detail.
• 37:23
  And hearing it again straight from the source is just so.
• 37:27
  . It's a wonderful thing that, uh, that you get to do.
• 37:31
  How often do you drop a podcast?
• 37:33
  Every Tuesday is the regular, and then sometimes, because our
• 37:36
  backlog is a little large, we will drop extra episodes on a Thursday.
• 37:40
  That usually either correspond with the primary guest or some sort of linkage.
• 37:44
  Two, we've done themed weeks as well where we did one all about.
• 37:48
  Um, oval racing, or we did one all about Formula One, so we put
• 37:52
  a bunch of episodes together and released them at the same time.
• 37:55
  Um, our, our backlog's a little long, so there's, there's a
• 37:57
  lot more episodes to come.
• 38:01
  , , well, I, your opinion would be great and greatly appreciated.
• 38:05
  I do, uh, anywhere from five to 10 podcasts a week.
• 38:10
  Is that too many?
• 38:11
  . God bless you, . You know, it's, it's not too different than
• 38:16
  what Mark Green does on cars.
• 38:18
  Yeah.
• 38:18
  And we did a crossover with him.
• 38:20
  He was on our show, which is pretty rare.
• 38:22
  He goes on anybody else's show anymore.
• 38:24
  He's also based in the Seattle area.
• 38:26
  So we went on, on his show and, you know, he's five days a week and he's
• 38:30
  got, you know, a couple thousand guests and I'm just like, good night.
• 38:34
  You know, we'd, we'd love to get there.
• 38:35
  I mean, if we could.
• 38:36
  Even a fraction as good as as you are and as as he is and, and all that.
• 38:40
  I mean, it's, it's gonna be tremendous.
• 38:43
  But, you know, we try to not replicate what Mark's doing or what
• 38:47
  some of the other shows are doing.
• 38:49
  So part of the point now that we've really bought, we've brought the yellow
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  card to the table, as we like to call it internally, that everyone has a
• 38:56
  story idea, is that these are stories that are designed to inspire others.
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  Yes.
• 39:03
  Yes.
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  And they.
• 39:04
  . Yeah.
• 39:04
  And, and it's not about celebrity either.
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  There are people that are, you know, turning wrenches, you know, amateur
• 39:11
  racers, or maybe they're part of a pit crew or you know, they're aspiring racers
• 39:15
  or something like that, or, or whatever.
• 39:17
  Classic car collectors.
• 39:18
  It doesn't matter.
• 39:20
  , we want to tell your story because there's other people out there wondering, how do
• 39:24
  I become, you know, uh, bill Warner who founded Amelia Island, that Backstory's
• 39:29
  really interesting why he suddenly, you know, went from journalists to starting
• 39:33
  one of the most popular Concords.
• 39:35
  In the United States, you know, second to Pebble and, and some others.
• 39:39
  And then you have folks like, uh, Samantha Zimmerman, right?
• 39:42
  An up and coming artist.
• 39:43
  She specializes in the golden era of sports, car racing, beautiful artwork.
• 39:47
  And then there's folks like Chris Dunlop who grew up in, in the DC area,
• 39:50
  another artist that now finds himself in California working alongside of, you know,
• 39:55
  chip fuss and all these other people.
• 39:56
  It's just, it's amazing the journeys that our lives take.
• 40:01
  The reluctance we have sometimes to share them with other people, because even
• 40:05
  if we can connect the dots, maybe it helps change that person's trajectory.
• 40:10
  Like, oh, if I did this thing and then maybe I can jump over
• 40:13
  here and do that other thing.
• 40:14
  What are the alternatives to what Chris did or what Samantha did, or, or whoever.
• 40:19
  Oh, I couldn't agree more.
• 40:20
  And you know, and the one thing that I get really enjoy is that
• 40:25
  I can have a conversation with somebody who you won't know.
• 40:28
  Uh, they're, they're not famous.
• 40:30
  Um, they may be an author and they've got a great book out, or they may be
• 40:34
  what They're doing something to better the planet, to better each other.
• 40:38
  And they may not be famous.
• 40:39
  They're in their, in their own little world.
• 40:41
  They may be, but, but I enjoy those people because, . I think they're every
• 40:47
  bit as entertaining as famous people are.
• 40:51
  Yep.
• 40:52
  Well, they're human.
• 40:52
  Doesn't, we all put our pants on the same way, right?
• 40:55
  Doesn't matter.
• 40:56
  , you know, put every adjective description in there that you want.
• 40:59
  And so the stories are the most important.
• 41:01
  Again, going back to the idea of links in a chain, right?
• 41:03
  As we're all connected in some way, and that's where you.
• 41:06
  Even when you kind of look at the folks that we've had on and
• 41:09
  the mind map that we're building, they're all related to one another.
• 41:12
  This person knows that person and worked with that person or raced with them,
• 41:15
  or that person captured them on film.
• 41:18
  You know, there's these multiple dimensions to all these stories
• 41:21
  and it just, it, it paints a very beautiful mosaic at the end of the day.
• 41:26
  Hence also why we have all those pictures with people holding the
• 41:29
  yellow cards, cuz we want it to turn into this gigantic just, you know,
• 41:33
  piece of art at the end of the day.
• 41:35
  That's brilliant.
• 41:35
  By the.
• 41:36
  They call that, they call that marketing and nicheing down and,
• 41:39
  and, uh, all that kind of stuff.
• 41:41
  So you, you, you, you do really good.
• 41:44
  Now let's, I wanna make sure we get the information out for people to find you.
• 41:47
  You.
• 41:48
  So how do they do that?
• 41:49
  Yeah, so our main website is www.grandtouringmotorsports.org.
• 41:55
  G, or I'm sorry, www gt motorsports.org.
• 41:59
  Our all of our social handles are at Grand Touring motorsports.
• 42:03
  There's no D in that, so it's sort of the European way to do it, G
• 42:06
  R A n Touring Motorsports, and from the main site, it sort of
• 42:11
  branches off into different pieces.
• 42:13
  That's where you'll find most of.
• 42:15
  Upfront media, the written articles, the podcast episodes, all the follow
• 42:19
  on content transcription, all the projects that we're working on and
• 42:22
  other websites we affiliate with.
• 42:24
  We even do web design and things like that.
• 42:26
  From there, you can actually branch off and venture into
• 42:29
  what we call the clubhouse.
• 42:31
  So the clubhouse is where our members still live and thrive and we continue
• 42:34
  to ebb and flow that part of, of gtm.
• 42:37
  And then there's a couple other pieces, things that we started.
• 42:39
  We have this really cool track site assistant.
• 42:41
  We call it Paddock Pal.
• 42:42
  Paddock pal.com.
• 42:44
  And then we also started a couple years ago, something also to be educational and
• 42:49
  be proactive and more in the industry.
• 42:52
  The National Motorsport Safety Association, or what we call nimsa
• 42:56
  for short, and you can find that.
• 42:57
  Under motorsports safety.com.
• 43:00
  We're always looking for people to contribute that and help that out.
• 43:03
  That's really trying to standardize how we approach the idea of safety across all
• 43:07
  the different motor sports disciplines, and that's a big kind of pet project
• 43:10
  for Brad and I that we've been, you know, slowly working on over the years.
• 43:14
  in terms of the show, we're available on all your favorite music streaming and,
• 43:18
  you know, pod catch or apps out there.
• 43:19
  All you have to do is search for break fix or break slash fix or
• 43:24
  Graham touring, g r a n touring, and we'll come up pretty much everywhere.
• 43:28
  Um, all the majors and then even some of the ones you're not thinking about.
• 43:31
  So if you're listening in India or you're listening, you know,
• 43:34
  we're, we're top rated in Somalia this week, so it's all good.
• 43:37
  We're, we're everywhere.
• 43:40
  Which is really in encouraging and exciting for a lot of podcasters
• 43:44
  because I'm told 90% of podcasts fail or they quit or, and they, and they
• 43:50
  give up after, you know, 10, 20, 30 episodes because their mother, their
• 43:53
  brother, and their aunt Lucille was listening and that's all they get.
• 43:57
  Yeah.
• 43:57
  Um, so it takes time.
• 43:59
  We are closing in on 200 published.
• 44:02
  Our mentors keep telling us, keep going, keep going, keep going because
• 44:05
  the strong will continue to stand.
• 44:07
  That's pretty much how it works.
• 44:08
  It's like survival of the fittest to your point.
• 44:10
  Yeah.
• 44:10
  30 to 50 episodes.
• 44:11
  I know a lot of people that just celebrated their 50th episode.
• 44:14
  Congratulations to.
• 44:16
  A few of them that have been on our show as well.
• 44:18
  Um, we're looking to, you know, help mentor them along as well and
• 44:21
  say, Hey, we made a lot of mistakes.
• 44:23
  Here's how you can try to avoid them.
• 44:25
  The podcaster community is actually quite strong.
• 44:28
  I ac I also lead an ACLU over on Patreon, which is how we crowdfund the show itself.
• 44:34
  So you can find us there, patreon.com/gt motorsports if you're
• 44:37
  interested in supporting the show.
• 44:39
  But you know, there's a lot of folks.
• 44:42
  going right into that idea that you were just saying where
• 44:44
  it's like they're struggling.
• 44:45
  They're, they're on that edge of do I continue, do I not?
• 44:49
  And what I tell people all the time is, you are, especially in the
• 44:54
  conversation and interview style, you're inspiring other people.
• 44:57
  You're sharing those stories and that's really important.
• 44:59
  And you have access to people that others don't.
• 45:02
  And so keep up that good work.
• 45:04
  Keep inspiring other people to learn about other folks' history and how
• 45:09
  maybe it can change their lives for the.
• 45:12
  Absolutely.
• 45:13
  And if you wanna go to positive talk radio.net, you can go there too.
• 45:16
  With, you are going to be, do you know what episode you are?
• 45:19
  I, I dunno.
• 45:20
  401.
• 45:22
  Oh, it's always good to be first in something.
• 45:25
  It is . And by the way, we've been talking to, uh, crew Chief.
• 45:30
  Eric and go again.
• 45:31
  And I'm glad you gave all the information.
• 45:33
  Um, I'll have you do it one more time so that everybody can,
• 45:36
  who is trying to write it down.
• 45:37
  Can, can get it, get it done.
• 45:39
  My apologies.
• 45:40
  I talk really fast.
• 45:42
  Well that's, that's quite alright.
• 45:44
  So do it one more time for everybody.
• 45:46
  That's right.
• 45:47
  So our main website is www.gt.
• 45:50
  Motor sports with an s.org G.
• 45:54
  You can follow us on all social media platforms except for Twitter
• 45:58
  at Grand Touring Motorsports, all one word on Twitter.
• 46:01
  We are GT Motorsports 14, and we're also crowdsourced with extra exclusive
• 46:07
  bonus and behind the scenes content on Patreon patreon.com/gt Motorsports.
• 46:13
  I am impressed you weren't even writing any of that down Very nicely.
• 46:16
  Done.
• 46:17
  Very nicely.
• 46:18
  So I might have done it a couple of times.
• 46:21
  . Well, and that's the thing, is you gotta get out, you gotta talk to other people,
• 46:24
  other podcasts, and touch other audiences.
• 46:27
  If you want to know more about automobiles and what they do and how
• 46:31
  they work, I have a key somewhere here, and if you turn in the key, it works.
• 46:36
  If you don't call somebody, I would call you.
• 46:38
  And, but, so, but if you wanna learn, if you want, if you're a
• 46:42
  motorhead or a, what did you call it?
• 46:44
  A diesel?
• 46:44
  Uh, no, a uh, a petrol.
• 46:46
  Petro head, then go to his podcast, you'll, you'll really enjoy it.
• 46:50
  And it's been a pleasure having you here.
• 46:52
  And if I knew anything about cars, I'd love to be on your.
• 46:55
  That's, well, you know, if we, if there's a story, we're happy to tell it.
• 46:58
  So maybe we can come up with something.
• 47:00
  Oh, I've, uh, I've got a story for you.
• 47:04
  I tell you , and don't forget to subscribe.
• 47:08
  Like, and, and smash that like button too, right?
• 47:11
  Yes.
• 47:12
  Continually, continually.
• 47:13
  So, um, it's, it's, it is great to have you here.
• 47:16
  Thank you so much for being on the show.
• 47:17
  No, Kevin, thank you so much.
• 47:19
  I'm absolutely honored for the invitation.
• 47:20
  It's been a pleasure chatting with.
• 47:22
  And if you'll wait right there, I'll be right back.
• 47:26
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