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IT'S WAR: War, Hollywood Brat Dismembers Wife And In-laws, New Money Fight · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. War. That's right, It's war.
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  Speaker 2: All because a Hollywood agent's nepo's son dismembered his wife
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  Speaker 2: and in laws. Now various entities coming out of the
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  Speaker 2: woodwork claiming, Hey, I want money. I'm Nancy Grace, this
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  Speaker 2: is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for being
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  Speaker 2: with us. I'm sure the name Sam Haskell rings a Bell.
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  Speaker 2: Haskell was the son of a powerful and wealthy Hollywood
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  Speaker 2: agent who represented the likes of Dolly Parton and Moore.
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  Speaker 1: The son spoiled.
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  Speaker 2: Brat, murdered and dismembered his wife and his in laws.
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  Speaker 1: That would be Sam Haskell. Maylee Haskell.
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  Speaker 2: The wife had her own business going. Now a man
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  Speaker 2: claiming to be her business partner has emerged, claiming he
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  Speaker 2: wants hundreds of thousands of dollars from the couple's estate. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: first of all, let's talk about Melee Haskell and her
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  Speaker 2: very loving mother and father who moved to the US
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  Speaker 2: to help her take care of her children. With Sam Haskell,
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  Speaker 2: who did nothing but make TikTok videos all day long,
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  Speaker 2: what is wrong with rich people?
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  Speaker 1: Okay, this is what happened.
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  Speaker 2: Someone discovers a female torso and a dumpster. It doesn't
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  Speaker 2: take California police very long to track the torso to
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  Speaker 2: one person, the son of a famous Hollywood agent.
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  Speaker 1: The son Sam Haskell.
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  Speaker 2: Not only is his wife missing, but so are his
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  Speaker 2: in laws.
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  Speaker 1: Take a listen to this.
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  Speaker 3: Police said they got a call from one of Sam
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  Speaker 3: Haskell's neighbors who reported seeing suspicious bags outside the Tarzana
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  Speaker 3: home and the bags appear to have body parts in them.
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  Speaker 3: LAPD Detective E from Gutierrez the.
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  Speaker 4: Riady call on the Rima seventh at about five thirty
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  Speaker 4: pm involved the suspicious bag they possibly contain the human remains.
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  Speaker 4: When the officers responded, nothing was located.
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  Speaker 3: Even though nothing was located, an investigation was launched.
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  Speaker 1: This is what we know.
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  Speaker 2: The original call to police, we first thought was from neighbors,
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  Speaker 2: but now it appears to be from some construction workers
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  Speaker 2: in the area.
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  Speaker 1: What a twisted story.
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  Speaker 3: Listen the men try to report what they've seen to
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  Speaker 3: the police, but are turned away twice. The men went
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  Speaker 3: to the Highway of Patrol station first, but we're told
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  Speaker 3: they had to go to the Los Angeles Police Department.
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  Speaker 3: The LAPD Topanga station tells the men to go back
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  Speaker 3: outside and call nine one one from the courtyard.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I've got an all star panel to make sense
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  Speaker 2: of what we know right now about three missing people
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  Speaker 2: and a woman's torso that has been found in a
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  Speaker 2: dumpster there in LA. But first two Alexis Terrestrik joining
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  Speaker 2: me from this jurisdiction Crime online dot Com investigative reporter Alexis.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 2: So I mean, bottom line, Alexis police and not one
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  Speaker 2: but two locations send these citizens trying to report where
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  Speaker 2: they think is a bag of body parts on a
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  Speaker 2: wild goose chase, a scavenger hunt, so to speak.
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  Speaker 5: They do.
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  Speaker 6: They went, they had these trash bags. They thought, oh
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  Speaker 6: my gosh, this is not something normal. This is probably
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  Speaker 6: body parts.
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  Speaker 7: We think this is what it is.
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  Speaker 6: They go to a police station. The police say, well,
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  Speaker 6: where did you get these bags from? Oh, you got
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  Speaker 6: it from this house over there. You need to go
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  Speaker 6: to that jurisdiction. Didn't look at the bags nothing at all,
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  Speaker 6: probably didn't even believe them, so they send it to
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  Speaker 6: the next place. They're like, yeah, you gotta call nine
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  Speaker 6: one one.
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  Speaker 2: You know, this is right out of a movie. Let
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  Speaker 2: me go to Chris mcdona joining me, director of the
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  Speaker 2: Cold Case Foundation, former homicide detective, host of a YouTube channel,
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  Speaker 2: The Interview Room where I found him, Chris mcdona, Uh,
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  Speaker 2: have you ever.
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  Speaker 1: Seen Home Alone? Okay?
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  Speaker 2: I know you know where I'm going, where the mom calls.
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  Speaker 2: I believe this must have been Home Alone two, where
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  Speaker 2: she calls from Paris and she gets sent to one person,
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  Speaker 2: and then they knock on the wall and they send
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  Speaker 2: the phone to the next person, and back and forth
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  Speaker 2: and back and forth. She never gets the right police officer,
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  Speaker 2: and finally starts calling neighbors. I know that is a funny,
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  Speaker 2: a comical example of what we're talking about, but really,
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  Speaker 2: these people are trying to report a bag of human
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  Speaker 2: body parts and they get sent on a wild goose chase.
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  Speaker 1: I tell you what, if I were.
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  Speaker 2: The police chief, which of course I'm not, I would
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  Speaker 2: totally clean a house over who chose not to take
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  Speaker 2: a report on a bag of body parts Chris McDonald.
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  Speaker 8: And I can bet you manswer your half percent right.
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  Speaker 8: This is right out of a Hollywood horror movie. And
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  Speaker 8: that police chief Moore, Michael Moore, who's LAPD chief. Now
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  Speaker 8: he's going to be questioning a lot of folks.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I hope he does more than question them.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you get a call about body parts, you
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  Speaker 2: better go like grease lightning to investigate. And that delay
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  Speaker 2: costs the case a lot of time and possibly a
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  Speaker 2: lot of evidence.
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  Speaker 1: Let's move forward.
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  Speaker 3: Listen, LAPD Detective he from Goudiera says, early the next morning,
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  Speaker 3: police received another call about human remains.
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  Speaker 4: The caller was a homeless man that was digging through
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  Speaker 4: the dumpster to for recyclables and discovered what he will
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  Speaker 4: neeved to be a human remains.
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  Speaker 3: All that was recovered was the torso fine, there were
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  Speaker 3: clues in the bag just.
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  Speaker 4: From a visual inspection. The stage of the decomposition were
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  Speaker 4: relatively early, so no more than a day or two.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I'm glad that an untrained cop can look in
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  Speaker 2: and tell me the level of decomposition.
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  Speaker 1: But actually he may be right. You know, let me
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  Speaker 1: go to.
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  Speaker 2: Choice Layton, high profile criminal defense attorney joining us out
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  Speaker 2: of this jurisdiction LA.
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  Speaker 1: You know, if there were anywhere.
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  Speaker 2: Else, I would just assume they were the same body parts,
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  Speaker 2: but in LA they could be entirely a different set
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  Speaker 2: of body parts. But logically speaking, Troice Layton, do you
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  Speaker 2: think they could then add two plus two equals. These
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  Speaker 2: are the same set of body parts as we got
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  Speaker 2: reported yesterday.
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  Speaker 9: Well the corner and medical examiner, which are the same
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  Speaker 9: here in Los Angeles, They're going to start having to
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  Speaker 9: piece these things back together. So the body parts that
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  Speaker 9: were recovered by these construction workers and whatever was found
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  Speaker 9: by this homeless person, it's not going to take very
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  Speaker 9: long for them to decide if that's the same body part.
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  Speaker 9: And the Robbery Homicide Division of LAPD, which is the
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  Speaker 9: most elite squad in the LAPD, is going to be
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  Speaker 9: investigating and try and put two and two together.
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  Speaker 2: Doctor Michelle Duprey joining me forensic pathologists, medical examiner, former detective,
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  Speaker 2: author of Money, Mischief and Murder, The Murdoch Saga the
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  Speaker 2: rest of the story on Amazon, and she literally wrote
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  Speaker 2: the book, The Homicide Investigation Field Guide, Doctor Duprix. We're
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  Speaker 2: all talking about bags of body parts, but to this
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  Speaker 2: victim or victim's family, the discussion of body parts that
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  Speaker 2: is their loved one, that is their daughter, their sister,
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  Speaker 2: their mom, their their dad, their grandpa, that we're talking
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  Speaker 2: about body parts, body parts.
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  Speaker 7: You're absolutely right, Nancy, these are somebody's family. They are
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  Speaker 7: you know, I'm obviously very.
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  Speaker 5: Upset about this, and it's a tragic thing to find.
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  Speaker 2: No, it's not just the shock ultimately learning that you
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  Speaker 2: have lost someone you love, possibly that you love more
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  Speaker 2: than anything else in the world, but then finding out
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  Speaker 2: that they are a crime victim, a murder victim, and
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  Speaker 2: then to find out that they have been dismembered, that
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  Speaker 2: their dead body has been defiled in such a.
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  Speaker 1: Horrible, horrible way.
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  Speaker 2: To doctor Gary Pracato, clinical psychologist, author of The New Evil,
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  Speaker 2: Understanding the Emergence of Modern violent Crime. Now that is
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  Speaker 2: a read, Doctor Bracato, That's a lot for one person
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  Speaker 2: to take in. I mean, I remember when my fiance
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  Speaker 2: was murdered. At first I just assumed that there had
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  Speaker 2: been a car crash, and then I found out he
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  Speaker 2: was murdered, and Frank, I don't remember a whole lot
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  Speaker 2: after that. But to then learn that someone dismembered the
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  Speaker 2: person you love more than anything else in the world,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: How do you make a comeback after that?
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  Speaker 10: Extremely difficult because a person would have to make some
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  Speaker 10: kind of meaning out of what it is that happened
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  Speaker 10: in their life, some kind of existential or spiritual meaning,
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  Speaker 10: and to try to go out in the world and
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  Speaker 10: battle that kind of darkness so that other people don't
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  Speaker 10: have to experience it. And people that I've worked with
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  Speaker 10: who have been victims of violent crime, it seems to
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  Speaker 10: be the only way that they're able to make any
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  Speaker 10: sense of purpose out of it.
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  Speaker 1: What is happening?
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  Speaker 2: One set of remains found or spotted outside of home.
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  Speaker 2: Police finally get there after sending the civilian informant on
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  Speaker 2: a wild goose chase. When they get there, no more remains.
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  Speaker 2: It's gone. They don't execute a search warrant. They do nothing,
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  Speaker 2: claiming they don't have enough evidence to execute a search
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  Speaker 2: warrant in the home.
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  Speaker 1: The next day.
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  Speaker 2: It's reported that there is a female torso found in
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  Speaker 2: a dumpster. Let's pick it up right there, take a
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  Speaker 2: listen to our friends at crime Online.
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  Speaker 3: The LAPD says that when they process the scene where
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  Speaker 3: the torso in the bank were found in a dumpster,
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  Speaker 3: the investigation provided detectives with information that led them to
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  Speaker 3: the residence of Samuel Haskell.
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  Speaker 1: Sam Haskell the Fourth who is that listen?
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  Speaker 3: Sam Haskell the Fourth is the son of Sam Haskell
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  Speaker 3: the Third, an Emmy Award winning producer who was a
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  Speaker 3: high profile agent with Hollywood's William Morris talent Agency, where
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  Speaker 3: he represented a list stars like George Clooney, Would be Goldberg,
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  Speaker 3: Dolly Parton, and many others. Haskell the Fourth list himself
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  Speaker 3: as a director and posted several clips online of low
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  Speaker 3: budget videos he wrote and filmed. Former Real Housewives of
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  Speaker 3: Beverly hillstar Brandy Glanville appears in one of the clips
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  Speaker 3: for a movie which appears to be a high school
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  Speaker 3: teen drama.
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  Speaker 1: Crime Stores with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 2: Businessman Alex Dorian is suing, claiming he is owed nearly
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  Speaker 2: half a million dollars after he says he provided money
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  Speaker 2: for a short lived partnership with Meylee Haskell. According to
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  Speaker 2: a complaint, well he can't get anything out of Maylee
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  Speaker 2: because she was murdered.
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  Speaker 1: This is what happened.
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  Speaker 2: So Sam Haskell the Fourth is a son of a
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  Speaker 2: high powered talent agent who was known as a quote good.
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  Speaker 1: Guy of Hollywood.
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  Speaker 2: The Dad Haskell three was the CEO, I believe the
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  Speaker 2: Miss America pageant for many many years. Has I think
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  Speaker 2: still working with Dolly Parton in her Magnoia productions.
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  Speaker 1: I mean the dad is renowned.
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  Speaker 2: In fact, I think he was the world wide head
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  Speaker 2: of TV work for William Morris.
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  Speaker 11: Do I have that right? Haskell Free the father he was,
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  Speaker 11: but he wasn't the head of the pageants he was.
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  Speaker 11: He separated from the pageant organization about a year ago.
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  Speaker 1: Over just regarding some emails.
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  Speaker 2: But correct, And that leads me to the Sun Haskell four. Now,
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  Speaker 2: from what I understand, this guy, Haskell four has directed
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  Speaker 2: a few things, including working with Tiger A Machine Gun Kelly,
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  Speaker 2: but he never reached the level.
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  Speaker 1: Of his father's fame. Is that right? Correct?
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  Speaker 6: Not in any way, shape or form. And he mostly
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  Speaker 6: put things on social media where he would do videos,
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  Speaker 6: you know, on TikTok.
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  Speaker 2: Wait a minute, I'm so glad you said that. Let's
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  Speaker 2: take a listen to Sam Haskell four, the fourth on
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  Speaker 2: social media his TikTok. This is our cut fourteen.
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  Speaker 12: Like my resume says unhappy, bitter, resentful. Now I'm consistently
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  Speaker 12: never going to stop drinking. Shout out to the waiter
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  Speaker 12: at the restaurant above nor strums for just like completely
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  Speaker 12: burning out of my Like, what kind of a monster
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  Speaker 12: are you? Homie?
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  Speaker 1: What Sidney? Can I hear that again?
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  Speaker 12: Like my resume says unhappy, bitter, resentful. Now I'm consistently
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  Speaker 12: never going to stop drinking. Shout out to the waiter
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  Speaker 12: at the restaurant above Nors Drums for just like completely
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  Speaker 12: burning them out of my filet, Like, what kind of
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  Speaker 12: a monster are you? Homie?
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  Speaker 1: Okay?
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  Speaker 2: This guy, Sam Haskell the fourth is living in a
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  Speaker 2: nearly three million dollars home in Tarzana, which is a
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  Speaker 2: really beautiful area around LA. He's got an enclosed backyard
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  Speaker 2: I've seen it myself, with a gorgeous pool, a play
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  Speaker 2: area for his children, the works.
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  Speaker 1: It's a six bedroom.
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  Speaker 2: Home and he is whining that he's an happy, bitter
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  Speaker 2: and resentful.
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  Speaker 1: He's never going to stop drinking.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks for sharing and complaining that the waiter at the
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  Speaker 2: restaurant on top of North Troms, I guess.
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  Speaker 1: It's at the tapangam All. I'm not sure.
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  Speaker 2: North Troms, which is a really expensive department store, burned
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  Speaker 2: his filet.
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  Speaker 1: Mignon.
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  Speaker 2: I okay, Alexis, tell me about this area, because I've
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  Speaker 2: seen it and it's really beautiful.
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  Speaker 5: It is.
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  Speaker 6: Tarzana is part of Los Angeles County. It's a little
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  Speaker 6: bit away from downtown. It's in the valley, but so
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  Speaker 6: it's beautiful, lush, green homes, you know, very spaced out,
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  Speaker 6: not right on top of each other at all. You know,
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  Speaker 6: tree lined streets, really good schools around there, nice areas
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  Speaker 6: for your kids to play. Nice you know, restaurants and
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  Speaker 6: malls where you could take your kids, parks, you know,
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  Speaker 6: the dumpster. Everything is right near a park. Just a
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  Speaker 6: lovely area that for somebody who doesn't seem to work,
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  Speaker 6: you would think probably maybe his parents bought this very
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  Speaker 6: expensive home for him. They just moved there in December
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  Speaker 6: of twenty twenty, so in the middle of the pandemic
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  Speaker 6: they moved.
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  Speaker 2: And joining me right now is a special guest. It
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  Speaker 2: is el Been and Me. Thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 2: We're all trying to figure out what exactly is happening.
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  Speaker 2: You are a friend and neighbor of May and Sam
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  Speaker 2: Haskell the fourth.
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  Speaker 1: What can you tell us about them?
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  Speaker 5: So they moved to the neighborhood, like you said, in
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  Speaker 5: December twenty twenty January twenty twenty one, during the pandemic,
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  Speaker 5: and from the beginning I did think that they were.
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  Speaker 5: It struck me that they were very different. Sam and May.
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  Speaker 5: He was She's extremely outgoing. Right when she moved in here.
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  Speaker 5: She came around and she introduced herself, and she wanted
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  Speaker 5: to make plans with us and the kids. And he
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  Speaker 5: was not like that. He would, you know, say hello
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  Speaker 5: if I saw him on the street, maybe kind of
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  Speaker 5: like nod his head. He would smile. So he was
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  Speaker 5: outwardly friendly. But in the I guess three years that
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  Speaker 5: he lived next to us, I never actually had a
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  Speaker 5: conversation with him, But with Mate it was very different.
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  Speaker 5: I had many, many long conversations with her, took many
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  Speaker 5: long walks, and I can't say the same for him.
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  Speaker 2: Question, you spent time with May and I know that
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  Speaker 2: May lived in the home with her parents, ages seventy
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  Speaker 2: two and sixty four.
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  Speaker 1: What was she like?
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  Speaker 5: I was just a very very sweet person. I very generous,
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  Speaker 5: very sweet, very caring, would kind of get excited about
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  Speaker 5: small things, kind of a in like a I guess,
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  Speaker 5: I guess, a childlike way, which was very endearing. She
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  Speaker 5: loved to be around people. She threw many parties. She
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  Speaker 5: was very dedicated, dedicated to her three boys and always
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  Speaker 5: threw them really amazing birthday parties, really went all out.
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  Speaker 5: She you know, threw parties for Chinese New Year, and
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  Speaker 5: she always loved to make plans, make sure you know
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  Speaker 5: her boys have a lot of things planned out, and
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  Speaker 5: also took them to many extracurricular UH activities after school,
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  Speaker 5: from music to sports to you know, advanced maths and
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  Speaker 5: so on.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, that is a mom that cares. I mean, I've
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  Speaker 2: been there and I know the ages of her children.
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  Speaker 2: Are three boys, You're constantly in the taking one to music,
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  Speaker 2: or this one to gymnastics, or this one to soccer
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  Speaker 2: or whatever it is that they latch onto that they like.
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  Speaker 1: What was her relationship with Haskell?
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  Speaker 5: For so, I will say that she never really discussed
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  Speaker 5: a relationship with him with me, but just from observing them,
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  Speaker 5: I would say that they weren't close. They didn't have
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  Speaker 5: anywhere near a close, you know, a close relationship. I
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  Speaker 5: would definitely not call it that. Never seen them be
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  Speaker 5: affectionate with each other. They never went on date nights.
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  Speaker 5: She never mentioned them going on a date. I never
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  Speaker 5: observed them going out anywhere together. They didn't go on
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  Speaker 5: vacations together. So she would go on vacation with her
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  Speaker 5: children and her parents, and he typically went on solo
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  Speaker 5: trips I think typically to Japan. According to make some
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  Speaker 5: of them were work related for filming. They both for example,
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  Speaker 5: like the take walk in the neighborhood. I never saw
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  Speaker 5: them take a walk together.
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  Speaker 1: You know, That's that's really interesting.
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  Speaker 2: Ill and guys, you're hearing a friend and neighbor of
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  Speaker 2: May and Sam Haskell the fourth Troy Slayton. I'm just
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  Speaker 2: trying to imagine.
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  Speaker 9: This, Nancy, that's something very important. I love to take
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  Speaker 9: walks with my spouse here in beautiful Los Angeles. But
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  Speaker 9: he lived with his in laws too. And I'm not
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  Speaker 9: making any kind of excuse, but people sometimes in that
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  Speaker 9: situation feel trapped. They feel that there are no boundaries
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  Speaker 9: and starting to think about what some of the defenses
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  Speaker 9: might be psychologically for him.
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  Speaker 2: And they lived with his in laws. Are you kidding me?
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  Speaker 2: I've got my ninety two year old mother with us, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: and you know, he's the very sweetest to her.
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  Speaker 1: My husband, he feels trapped. He hasn't said, so that's.
• 21:00
  Speaker 9: Nice, But a lot of people suffer tremendous psychological stress
• 21:06
  Speaker 9: from living with their in laws.
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: Okay, Well, I can't wait to see how that goes over.
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: Was that you l about to say something?
• 21:14
  Speaker 5: Yeah? I was going to say that May's parents they
• 21:18
  Speaker 5: were I mean, of course, I don't know what went
• 21:21
  Speaker 5: on inside their home, but from what I could see,
• 21:23
  Speaker 5: they seem to be extremely helpful. Anytime I observed them
• 21:29
  Speaker 5: with the children, they always both of them were actively,
• 21:34
  Speaker 5: you know, chasing after them, helping they. Her mom cooked
• 21:40
  Speaker 5: a lot, I think, pretty much daily for them and
• 21:44
  Speaker 5: for the kids when May for birthday parties. It was
• 21:47
  Speaker 5: not that helped in any way. Was her parents. Even
• 21:52
  Speaker 5: though they didn't speak English. They were constantly actively helping,
• 22:00
  Speaker 5: you know. And her mom had suffered a stroke prior
• 22:03
  Speaker 5: to COVID, and so she did use or she does
• 22:07
  Speaker 5: use a chant to walk. That didn't stop her from
• 22:10
  Speaker 5: being always on her feet and helping.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: I'm just thinking about the dynamic you're telling us. But
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: I want to circle back very quickly to something Alexisterreschuk
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: was reporting earlier.
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: I want to go.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: Back to these day laborers, they construction workers.
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: Take us to our cut too, from.
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: Dave Mac twenty five miles west of downtown Los Angeles,
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: in an area once owned by famed author Edgar Rice
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: Burrows and named for his famous character Tarzan. Tarzana is
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: in the San Fernando Valley and has become a popular
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: place for celebrities and those in the entertainment world to
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: call home. It's also where Sam Haskell paid a group
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: of day laborers five hundred dollars to halloway three large
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: trash bags that were in his garage. Speaking to NBC
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: for Los Angeles, the workers said Haskell told them the
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: bags were full of rocks, but the workers said when
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: they picked up the bags they felt like there was
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: meat inside. Realizing what they were carrying wasn't rocks, the
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: workers pulled over about a block from Haskell's house to
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: look inside the bag. Opening the bags, the men knew
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: they'd been.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: Tricked and more listen.
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: The men described the bags to NBC four as soft
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: and soggy and each weighing about fifty pounds. A block
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: away from Haskell's house, the workers opened up the bags
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: and said they started seeing body parts, specifically a belly button.
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: The men said they felt bad they'd been tricked, so
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: they drove back to Haskell's house and left the bags
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: in the driveway and gave Haskell his five hundred dollars back.
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: Haskell played it off, telling the workers what they actually
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: saw were Halloween props. Not believing Haskell, the men drove
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: immediately to the police.
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: Okay, Alexistereschak crime online dot com investigative reporter joining us
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: from La what so he hired.
• 23:54
  Speaker 6: It's some men day labor that you go to, maybe
• 23:57
  Speaker 6: home depot or somewhere like that. You say, hey, guy,
• 23:59
  Speaker 6: that's got some heavy things in my house. These men
• 24:00
  Speaker 6: are usually big, strong men, and they have trucks. They
• 24:03
  Speaker 6: come to your house.
• 24:04
  Speaker 5: So that's what they did. They took the bags and.
• 24:06
  Speaker 6: He said, oh, they're rocks. Well, rocks are really heavy
• 24:09
  Speaker 6: and they don't move, you can't squish them. But these
• 24:12
  Speaker 6: bags were heavy and squishy, and the guys their description
• 24:16
  Speaker 6: was it felt like meat. So they were, you know,
• 24:19
  Speaker 6: like a huge hunk of meat, squishy but still a
• 24:22
  Speaker 6: little solid. They looked in the bags, they saw what
• 24:25
  Speaker 6: it was, and what they specifically described was they saw
• 24:29
  Speaker 6: a belly button like the torso from you know, above
• 24:32
  Speaker 6: your waist, below your chest, you're below your necks.
• 24:35
  Speaker 5: And that was horrific.
• 24:38
  Speaker 11: So they took the bags back.
• 24:40
  Speaker 6: The guy gave them their money.
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: They gave them money back, and then they.
• 24:44
  Speaker 7: Went to the police.
• 24:45
  Speaker 6: They go to the first police station they can find.
• 24:47
  Speaker 6: The police said, well, that's not actually our jurisdiction. One
• 24:50
  Speaker 6: E go to this other police station or call nine
• 24:52
  Speaker 6: to one.
• 24:52
  Speaker 10: One.
• 24:53
  Speaker 6: These guys come in with sure, it's a little bit
• 24:56
  Speaker 6: of a wild story, but you should investigate this. This
• 24:58
  Speaker 6: is really they're not telling you anything that is out
• 25:01
  Speaker 6: of the Norman, Los Angeles.
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: Everything you're saying, I believe it's correct. But what's jumping
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: out of me is changing his story. First, the bag
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: is full of rocks, ye, Then he says, oh, those
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: are just Halloween props. Even though it looks like human body.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: Parts, that's for human body And.
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: Then the next thing we know, a bag of human
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: body parts turns up in a dumpster. But let me
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: take it back. Joining me is a neighbor of May
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: and Sam Haskell. Fourth May, the mother of three little
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: boys by Haskell ll question, what if anything did you
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: hear the previous night?
• 25:46
  Speaker 5: So I was not home the previous night, but yes,
• 25:50
  Speaker 5: my daughter she actually texted it to us that night.
• 25:54
  Speaker 5: She heard what she thought was the youngest boy from
• 25:59
  Speaker 5: their house, so perhaps from the art shout hello, Hello, help.
• 26:04
  Speaker 5: And then she heard a car door slam and loud screeching.
• 26:09
  Speaker 5: I guess of the car drove off.
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: Okay, hold on could you slaw that down and tell
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: me one more time?
• 26:15
  Speaker 5: Okay? So my daughter texted us at around nine pm
• 26:19
  Speaker 5: on Tuesday, the night before the torso was found, that
• 26:23
  Speaker 5: she heard what she believed to be the high school's
• 26:27
  Speaker 5: youngest boy coming to basically maybe from the house or
• 26:33
  Speaker 5: from the yard, call out hello, Hello, and then help.
• 26:40
  Speaker 5: And then she heard a car door slam really hard
• 26:43
  Speaker 5: and screeching sound, a loud screeching as it drove off
• 26:47
  Speaker 5: and joining me.
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: Now is doctor Trace, sergeant Search Rescue, Recovery expert, PhD
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: in psychology, I focus on victimology, star of a podcast,
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: The Seekers Quest. Doctor Sargeant, thank you for being with us.
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: You look specifically at predatory behavior. What do you make
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: of someone that not only commits some murder but then
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: dismembers the body?
• 27:19
  Speaker 7: Nancy, We look at several things, but I'd like to
• 27:22
  Speaker 7: go back to Sam Hassel's the fourth comments and social
• 27:27
  Speaker 7: media that in itself tells us a lot when we're
• 27:31
  Speaker 7: looking at it from a criminal profile perspective, behavioral analysis,
• 27:35
  Speaker 7: psychological analysis. And what is glaring to me is that
• 27:40
  Speaker 7: he perceives himself as the victim. And I would not
• 27:46
  Speaker 7: be surprised when this case and this story moves forward,
• 27:51
  Speaker 7: that he presents himself as the victim and maybe even
• 27:56
  Speaker 7: go as far as blaming the circumstances that led to
• 28:00
  Speaker 7: the death of his life and probably his in laws,
• 28:03
  Speaker 7: that it was somehow their fault, not his fault. He
• 28:07
  Speaker 7: will not take accountability or responsibility for his action.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: Do you agree with that, doctor Bracato.
• 28:13
  Speaker 10: Well, I have a few things to say about this case,
• 28:16
  Speaker 10: and I think in some ways I'm sort of uniquely
• 28:19
  Speaker 10: suited to look at it because it touches on two
• 28:23
  Speaker 10: areas that have been major ones for me in my research.
• 28:28
  Speaker 10: First of all, dismemberment and mutilation need to be distinguished.
• 28:34
  Speaker 10: I worked with doctor Ann Burgess, doctor Victor Patrica, Michael Stone,
• 28:39
  Speaker 10: doctor Michael Stone, and we came up with definitions to
• 28:43
  Speaker 10: distinguish those offenses. It's important for people to understand the dismemberment,
• 28:48
  Speaker 10: according to our work, really means the destruction or removal
• 28:53
  Speaker 10: of a large part of the body the torso, the arms, hand, helvis, legs,
• 28:59
  Speaker 10: or feet, and any destruction or elimination of a smaller
• 29:04
  Speaker 10: part thereof of any you know, it.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: Would be mutilation.
• 29:07
  Speaker 10: And the reason it's important is there are differences in
• 29:09
  Speaker 10: the psychology and motives of people according to which of
• 29:13
  Speaker 10: those things they're doing. What it sounds like here. We
• 29:16
  Speaker 10: don't know how much butchery there was, but this sounds
• 29:19
  Speaker 10: like dismemberment offense. And with dismemberment, we found in our
• 29:23
  Speaker 10: research that the vast majority offenders are doing that to
• 29:26
  Speaker 10: get rid of body parts because of concern about capture.
• 29:32
  Speaker 10: The outside, you know, looking in makes it seem like
• 29:35
  Speaker 10: it's some kind of bizarre, psychotic, crazy thing to do,
• 29:39
  Speaker 10: but the reality is it's a pretty organized thing to
• 29:41
  Speaker 10: do that's done by a person that's trying to clean
• 29:44
  Speaker 10: up after they've eliminated people. Now, the other thing that
• 29:47
  Speaker 10: I can kind of put some in a unique position
• 29:49
  Speaker 10: here is I know that you know, there's been a
• 29:52
  Speaker 10: charge that this man has killed not only this woman
• 29:56
  Speaker 10: but her parents, which would place him in the category
• 30:00
  Speaker 10: mass murder. When I was at Columbia Medical Center, I
• 30:04
  Speaker 10: led the largest study ever done of mass murder. And
• 30:07
  Speaker 10: what I can tell you is is that in order
• 30:09
  Speaker 10: to know the motives of a person who commits mess murder,
• 30:12
  Speaker 10: we have to know what was used to kill. If
• 30:15
  Speaker 10: a gun is used, there's a very low likelihood that
• 30:19
  Speaker 10: the person was seriously disturbed or mentally ill. If something
• 30:22
  Speaker 10: else was used, like a knife, then we start thinking
• 30:26
  Speaker 10: that this was an individual who was unwell in some way.
• 30:29
  Speaker 10: The statistics, it becomes much more probable that the person
• 30:33
  Speaker 10: was disturbed.
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: If they use a knife. Is that what you said?
• 30:37
  Speaker 10: Yes, the use of a knife would be more of
• 30:39
  Speaker 10: a giveaway that you're dealing with somebody that would be
• 30:41
  Speaker 10: authentically odd interpersonally, a little more kind of unwell.
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: Right, Are you saying insane? Not insane? Just odd?
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: Odd?
• 30:52
  Speaker 10: For example, the individual might be paranoid or a little
• 30:54
  Speaker 10: bit aggressive.
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: Are you talking about someone that kills and as members
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: with a knife.
• 30:59
  Speaker 10: Talking about someone who commits mass murder using a knife?
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: Well, what doesn't it good without saying that they're odd?
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: Well odd?
• 31:06
  Speaker 10: And when I say odd, I don't mean odd because
• 31:08
  Speaker 10: you've committed murder or anything like that. I mean odd
• 31:11
  Speaker 10: that even at baseline, the person would say peculiar things
• 31:15
  Speaker 10: would be a little bit kind of odd to the
• 31:17
  Speaker 10: average individual, hot headed, a little paranoid, a little peculiar.
• 31:22
  Speaker 10: And that matches what we're hearing, and that weird recording
• 31:25
  Speaker 10: from TikTok and some of these stories about the detachment
• 31:29
  Speaker 10: and the coldness between the members of the family. Now
• 31:34
  Speaker 10: what's interesting about this is when we see these kinds
• 31:36
  Speaker 10: of cases where you know, there's been this explosive potential
• 31:41
  Speaker 10: killing of a family and then there's dismemberment, there's usually
• 31:45
  Speaker 10: one of two reasons it happens. One is elimination murder,
• 31:49
  Speaker 10: as I term it, which is where the idea is
• 31:51
  Speaker 10: to simply get rid of them because they are an
• 31:53
  Speaker 10: impediment to something like, for example, I want to have
• 31:57
  Speaker 10: a new romance, or I am trying to get my
• 31:59
  Speaker 10: hands up some money. The other that you see is
• 32:03
  Speaker 10: some kind of domestic matter that causes an emotional disruption
• 32:07
  Speaker 10: and somebody in an absolute rage kills someone and then
• 32:11
  Speaker 10: has to kill everyone who has witnessed it in the family.
• 32:15
  Speaker 10: So that what I would suppose, if it turns out
• 32:17
  Speaker 10: that this is indeed a mass murder followed by dismemberment,
• 32:22
  Speaker 10: was that there was some kind of hot headed, angry,
• 32:25
  Speaker 10: odd person who became enraged or had a motive to
• 32:30
  Speaker 10: get rid of these people, did so, and then attempted,
• 32:33
  Speaker 10: in a clumsy, weird way to hide it. And the
• 32:37
  Speaker 10: reason it's so odd and the stories are ridiculous is
• 32:40
  Speaker 10: often that the person is odd and lacks that kind
• 32:43
  Speaker 10: of interpersonal empathy to kind of pick up that people
• 32:46
  Speaker 10: would think these stories were weird.
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: Let's go back to the Haskell's neighbor El benemy Elle question.
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: I know you spent a good bit of time with May.
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: Do you have any knowledge of Haskell having a fixation
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: for on martial arts and kept samurai swords and crossbows
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: in them?
• 33:10
  Speaker 5: Yeah, so I did. I did notice that about him.
• 33:15
  Speaker 5: I know that she mentioned that he would direct or
• 33:19
  Speaker 5: produce martial arts related movies or videos, or that he
• 33:25
  Speaker 5: would go on martial arts trips to Japan, I believe,
• 33:29
  Speaker 5: and I don't know why I remember this, but I
• 33:31
  Speaker 5: seem to recall that he may have a black belt
• 33:34
  Speaker 5: or a couple of black belts in different martial arts.
• 33:37
  Speaker 5: And and then I did know about their having various
• 33:43
  Speaker 5: weapons in the house, such as the stores and samurai
• 33:46
  Speaker 5: swords I believe, acrossbow firearms. So that that's definitely something
• 33:52
  Speaker 5: that stayed very top of mind for me as a
• 33:55
  Speaker 5: mama four living next.
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: Door, did her mace children and tell your children about
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: all the weapons to the point you did not want
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: your children alone at their home upstairs?
• 34:09
  Speaker 5: Yes, So they did mention that to my kids, several
• 34:13
  Speaker 5: points about let's say, a Semurai sword or pointing up
• 34:19
  Speaker 5: to where supposedly a specific firearm was kept. So that
• 34:25
  Speaker 5: made me very nervous about them going upstairs to one
• 34:29
  Speaker 5: of the bedrooms. I did, of course, I trust me,
• 34:33
  Speaker 5: and I did really like her three boys, so I
• 34:37
  Speaker 5: was happy for them to play with my kids. I
• 34:39
  Speaker 5: just didn't wander to be any accident.
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: Crime stores with Nancy Grace.
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: Now this guy, this businessman, Dorian, has filed a complaint
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: against Melee's estate, claiming he's owed I have a million
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: dollars and he's suing the estate's representative, Jodie Montgomery, who
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: once served as Britney Spears personal conservator. What proof does
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: he have?
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: He fronted Maylee money. Shouldn't this money go to their orphans? Okay,
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: their orphans.
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: Have enough to deal with Maylee's sons she raised under
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: these horrendous conditions, with Haskell running around the house loose,
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: they will forever have to live with the knowledge their
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: mother was murdered, possibly when they were in the home.
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: Oh yes, one day they're going to go on the
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: internet and find out everything.
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: In recent court documents.
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: A guy claims that Maylee, some Haskell's widow that he murdered, verbally,
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: verbally agreed to lend, agreed to accept money lent to
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: her by the plaintiff for the purchasing loan to her
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: by the plaintiff for construction and mortgage payments on her home.
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: Is there a legal document supporting this or was it
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: an oral contract. He claims that may told him she
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: was to buy the property with the intention of flipping
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: it selling it for a profit.
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: Is that true. Well, Maylee won't be able.
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: To testify because she was murdered.
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: This is what happened. We wait.
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: Nancy unfolds goodbye friend.
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: Nancy Grace signing off Goodbye friend.