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Episode #96: Reversing Autoimmune/Chronic Disease: Lessons from Sina's Personal Story (Part Two) · Beyond Labels Premium

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SPEAKER_01: And so I wrote down this roadmap, all the steps in it.
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SPEAKER_01: I tested the disease reversal protocol on myself.
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SPEAKER_01: It worked to get me into remission.
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SPEAKER_01: And then as I'm healing, right?
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SPEAKER_01: So as I'm learning about the emotional component, which is next, I'm also testing this roadmap on other people.
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SPEAKER_00: Welcome everybody to another podcast of Beyond Labels with yours truly, Joel Salatin, the farmer, and our favorite researcher, Dr.
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SPEAKER_00: Cena McCullough.
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SPEAKER_00: We presented several uh podcasts ago.
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SPEAKER_00: Sina's started Cena's uh healing journey.
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SPEAKER_00: You know, it was uh it was physical debilitation.
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SPEAKER_00: If you'll recall, uh at one point in her early 30s, she was so debilitated she couldn't even stand up, had to had to um you know uh drink water from the from her children on the floor.
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SPEAKER_00: Uh and and and it was actually um uh emotionally and mentally starting to prepare for a funeral.
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SPEAKER_00: For you know, I'm not gonna make it.
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SPEAKER_00: And uh it was it was that dire.
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SPEAKER_00: And we we we dove into that physical part of it, and today is kind of gonna be the part two of that journey, and um, and go into the emotional, um, emotional and and more emotional and spiritual part, the the non-tangible, the non-physical element of that healing journey, which is just as remarkable and profound, and we think as as as practically helpful.
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SPEAKER_00: You know, when you talk about non-physical, it's easy to think, well, that's not very practical.
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SPEAKER_00: No, actually, this is extremely practical, and Cena has a a gift and a and uh and an ability to bring it to that practical level that most of us don't have.
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SPEAKER_00: So uh Cena, continue on with your healing journey.
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SPEAKER_01: Thanks, Joel.
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SPEAKER_01: So when we left off, I talked about how uh I basically got into what Western medicine would call remission.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, and so I want to kind of start there and take you through the process.
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SPEAKER_01: In the last podcast, you mentioned um, you asked me the question of what did God actually show you?
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SPEAKER_01: Right.
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SPEAKER_01: So at that moment when I just surrendered to him and I said this was my turning point and God saved me.
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SPEAKER_01: Um I mentioned that he showed me that I was asking all the right questions on the physical level, in terms of, you know, is it heavy metals?
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SPEAKER_01: Is it an infection?
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SPEAKER_01: You know, is it dysbiosis?
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SPEAKER_01: But I didn't know the right tests.
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SPEAKER_01: And he, the first thing he showed me was the functional tests that I just didn't know about, that most of the time the Western doctors don't know about or have access to either.
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SPEAKER_01: So that was one of the first things that he showed me.
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SPEAKER_01: One of the next things that he showed me was, you know, I was watching I was listening to, like I said, hundreds and hundreds of hours of these cutting-edge health summits, right?
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SPEAKER_01: Where I'm trying to basically save my own life and was a pattern that all the practitioners who were able to successfully get patients into quote unquote remission, he showed me that they were using the same basic steps, right?
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SPEAKER_01: And Joel, it was really remarkable the way that it happened because basically I just started asking God for help, you know, and then when he when he did help me, and it was obvious that it was him helping me to learn about the functional tests, for example, I just started to put more and more faith in God and that this is how I was going to heal.
3:42
SPEAKER_01: And so I just started handing more and more things over to him.
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SPEAKER_01: Like, okay, now I got the test down, you know, now can you just show me, show me the steps that I need to reverse this disease?
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SPEAKER_01: And it was remarkable, Joel, because he showed me, you know, again, I'm listening to all these hundreds of hours of summits trying to piece it, piece the puzzle together.
4:04
SPEAKER_01: And he just put it in my mind.
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SPEAKER_01: It was like fireworks going off, like pop, pop, pop, pop, pop.
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SPEAKER_01: I saw the pathway to reverse at least the physical reasons for any disease.
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SPEAKER_01: And so I wrote it down, you know, like I had it mentally for a while, and I was like, is this right?
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SPEAKER_01: It's almost like I'm having this, you know, conversation with him.
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SPEAKER_01: Like, am I seeing this right?
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SPEAKER_01: Is this right?
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SPEAKER_01: And I started to write it down.
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SPEAKER_01: And then I'm almost like, you know, you've written a lot of books.
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SPEAKER_01: It's it's like writing out an outline for the book.
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SPEAKER_01: And then you come back and you fill in the sections of the outline.
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SPEAKER_01: And that's exactly what happened.
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SPEAKER_01: He showed me the outline in in like an instant.
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SPEAKER_01: I wrote that down, and then I was like, okay, now what goes here in this part of the outline?
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SPEAKER_01: What goes here?
4:52
SPEAKER_01: And slowly, as I was emotionally and physically, mentally ready for it, right?
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SPEAKER_01: Because I think he always works in your own time.
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SPEAKER_01: He unveiled those sections of this map, and it ended up being a roadmap to healing.
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SPEAKER_01: And so I wrote down this roadmap, all the steps in it.
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SPEAKER_01: I tested the disease reversal protocol on myself.
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SPEAKER_01: It worked to get me into remission.
5:23
SPEAKER_01: And then as I'm healing, right?
5:25
SPEAKER_01: So as I'm learning about the emotional component, which is next, I'm also testing this roadmap on other people.
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SPEAKER_01: So I would have, you know, friends that came to me.
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SPEAKER_01: Once I started a book tour for the first book, lots of people, they would just show up in droves, like they were sick, similar stories to mine.
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SPEAKER_01: And I was like, well, I don't really work with clients, but uh, okay, I guess I will.
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SPEAKER_01: I finally submitted to doing that.
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SPEAKER_01: I figured that's what God wanted me to do.
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SPEAKER_01: I tested the protocol out on numerous people with numerous different conditions, and it worked for every single condition.
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SPEAKER_01: So anything from cancer to um thyroid conditions to diabetes, you know, heart disease, um, you know, anxiety, uh, psoriasis, arthritis, any of these.
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SPEAKER_01: What God showed me was the same basic steps to reverse any chronic or autoimmune disease.
6:22
SPEAKER_01: And so I was like, okay, now I got that, right?
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SPEAKER_01: So then I started to have the flare-up, like in my forearm, like if I ate too much sugar or if I stressed too much.
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SPEAKER_01: And this is how I knew, okay, I'm only in what Western medicine calls remission.
6:38
SPEAKER_01: And this is when I took the stance of, I do not believe in remission.
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SPEAKER_01: That's the limiting belief.
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SPEAKER_01: It's based on fear.
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SPEAKER_01: I want to be fully healed.
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SPEAKER_01: I knew that God was capable of healing anything.
6:50
SPEAKER_01: And we look at all the biblical accounts of the healings, miraculous healings, right?
6:55
SPEAKER_01: So I said, I'm ready to see the next step in the healing because this can't be it, right?
7:03
SPEAKER_01: It has to be full healing.
7:04
SPEAKER_01: And so he started to show me the emotional component to healing.
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SPEAKER_01: And the way he did it was here's one example.
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SPEAKER_01: My girlfriend sent me, um, forwarded me an email about an upcoming summit on the tapping solution.
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SPEAKER_01: So it was emotional freedom technique.
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SPEAKER_01: And I read it, and I'm thinking, okay, so you're gonna tap on points on your body, and that's gonna heal you.
7:31
SPEAKER_01: Like uh the scientist in me was thinking, that does not sound very scientific.
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SPEAKER_00: Like that sounds it sounds, uh yeah, it sounds like something uh it sounds woo-woo.
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SPEAKER_01: It sounded very woo-woo to me, right?
7:44
SPEAKER_01: And and this is what I mean by God met me where I was, right?
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SPEAKER_01: He planted that seed, and I was like, no, there's no way I'm gonna spend my time tapping and doing, you know, I've got other summits, science-based summits that I can I can listen to.
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SPEAKER_01: Well, so I just deleted it.
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SPEAKER_01: A few days later, I get another notice about this tapping summit, and I was like, okay, God, I get it.
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SPEAKER_01: I'll turn it on.
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SPEAKER_01: Like, no promises, but I will turn it on.
8:13
SPEAKER_01: So I turned it on, and um, it was a game changer.
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SPEAKER_01: Uh, it helped that I learned about research that Harvard's done, for instance, about tapping and the benefits of it.
8:24
SPEAKER_01: Um, but what I did was um I sat down and I said, Okay, God, um, you know, now I'm all in, right?
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SPEAKER_01: After the little introduction uh in the tapping summit, and they've talked about the research behind it.
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SPEAKER_01: I said, Okay, I'm all in.
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SPEAKER_01: I did every single tapping session and listened to every single lecture in that entire summit, which is a lot if you've ever listened to one of these summits.
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SPEAKER_01: But in my mind, it was that's what God directed me to do, and I will obey.
8:53
SPEAKER_01: And so I found such clarity in that tapping summit.
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SPEAKER_01: It was the first time that I'd ever heard about your inner child.
9:02
SPEAKER_01: When they first started talking about it, I was like, that's crazy.
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SPEAKER_01: Like, you know, but the logical part of me took over.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm like, what's an inner child?
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SPEAKER_01: Like, am I what there's some young child in me?
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SPEAKER_01: Like, how does that even work on this physical level?
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SPEAKER_01: Right, like totally questioning it.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, but it ended up ended up that that was the most important piece of the puzzle that he wanted me to see from that summit.
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SPEAKER_00: So he so so just so we don't lose anybody here, uh, can you describe uh what get give the you know, give the cliff's notes version of this of tapping?
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SPEAKER_00: Yes, because I'm sure plenty of people have never even heard of it.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so it's called tapping for short, it's the emotional freedom technique.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, like I said, it's been studied by Harvard and other universities.
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SPEAKER_01: It can help you to not only like reverse disease, but reduce anxiety, like with weight loss and whatnot.
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SPEAKER_01: And the way they describe it is you're you're tapping on different points of your body, like different meridian points.
10:03
SPEAKER_01: And they describe it as it must tap into the amygdala, which is as they're saying, the emotional center of the brain.
10:11
SPEAKER_01: And what you can do is um through tapping and speaking, right?
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SPEAKER_01: This is another biblical principle, is speaking life and truth over your body.
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SPEAKER_01: As you tap and you speak, you're going to affirm things.
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SPEAKER_01: So, for instance, if you're anxious, you will tap through these meridian points, you will acknowledge the emotion of anxiety, which if you've heard me talk about emotions, you know I describe them as children, right?
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SPEAKER_01: This is this is my visual for it.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, what do children want want, right?
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SPEAKER_01: What do children want from their parents?
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SPEAKER_01: Right?
10:45
SPEAKER_01: They want to be heard, right?
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SPEAKER_01: Hence, if you don't pay attention to them when they're calling you, oftentimes they're they'll start screaming, they'll get louder, right?
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SPEAKER_01: They'll throw tantrums, they just want to be heard.
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SPEAKER_01: Emotions are the same way.
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SPEAKER_01: They want to be recognized, they want to be heard.
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SPEAKER_01: So when you're tapping, you'll do rounds of tapping where you're recognizing the emotion.
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SPEAKER_01: You're acknowledging the emotion exists without a judgment on it, right?
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SPEAKER_01: And you're you're you can say whatever you want, but often it's you know, like um, I acknowledge the a presence of anxiety within my body.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, like I'm here for you, I've got your back, I'm not going to leave you.
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SPEAKER_01: This is a safe space.
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SPEAKER_01: Tell me why the emotion of anxiety has come up.
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SPEAKER_01: Like, why am I anxious?
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SPEAKER_01: Right.
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SPEAKER_01: And oftentimes then, like, I'll get an answer, and then you tap through um positive affirmations for for yourself.
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SPEAKER_01: Like, even though I'm feeling anxious, I love and accept myself.
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SPEAKER_01: And so you are speaking life over the body while you are tapping into the amygdala, according to you know, published research.
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SPEAKER_01: And so, what that does is it helps to rewire the nervous system.
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SPEAKER_01: So you can go through and take any uh like trauma that you've experienced, for example, and you can tap on it, and you can change the emotional response that is attached to that trauma by going through this tapping routine.
12:15
SPEAKER_01: And so I did that through uh for many of the traumas that I had experienced in childhood, because God also showed me that adverse childhood experiences are one of the key predictors for chronic and autoimmune diseases, meaning um traumas that you've had in your childhood.
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SPEAKER_01: And so that's one of the main steps of emotionally healing is to go through and transcend these traumas.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, and so I use tapping to help with that.
12:43
SPEAKER_01: I also I predominantly use tapping to help with the pain.
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SPEAKER_01: So I could be at a pain of a 10, right?
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SPEAKER_01: Out of a zero to 10, I could be experiencing the pain at a level of 10.
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SPEAKER_01: I could tap on it, and in about 30 seconds, the pain would drop to a three.
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SPEAKER_00: So you as you so is is tap an acronym for something?
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SPEAKER_01: It's just called tapping.
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SPEAKER_00: You're you're not physically tapping on a shoulder, yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: You're tapping so tapping is like the generic term, it's called um the emotional freedom technique, EFT.
13:21
SPEAKER_01: And so you're actually tapping like on these meridian points around the body, right?
13:26
SPEAKER_01: You can see me tapping on the points, you're tapping on these meridian points, okay.
13:31
SPEAKER_01: Um, and those are tied into like the amygdala, for instance.
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SPEAKER_01: Now, as he so that was my limiting belief about tapping at the moment, right?
13:40
SPEAKER_01: And so this is taking you through just one example of what he showed me.
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SPEAKER_01: As God kind of peeled back more of the layers for me, he showed me that the root cause of all disease stems from these this emotional energetic level.
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SPEAKER_01: So, all chronic and autoimmune diseases, there are physical triggers that you you address, but the actual root cause is on this emotional and energetic level.
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SPEAKER_01: And so when you're tapping, you're actually tapping into your biofield.
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SPEAKER_01: You know, you're tapping into and changing the energetic imprints in your biofield.
14:16
SPEAKER_01: So let's pause for a moment and just briefly explain the biofield in case that's new to people.
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SPEAKER_01: We all know, uh science knows and has um basically quote unquote proven that the body produces EMFs, electromagnetic fields, right?
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SPEAKER_01: We are we are currents, we have currents of electricity running through our body, and every time you have a current, it generates an electromagnetic field or an EMF.
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SPEAKER_01: So our body is like a battery with a constant flow of electricity through it.
14:46
SPEAKER_01: So we emit these EMFs.
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SPEAKER_01: And now we we can measure these, right?
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SPEAKER_01: This is measurable, it's not some woo-woo abstract thing.
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SPEAKER_01: If you go in for an EKG, it's actually measuring the electrical activity of the heart, right?
14:59
SPEAKER_01: If you go in for EEG, it's measuring the electrical activity of the brain.
15:03
SPEAKER_01: So we can measure this.
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SPEAKER_01: We can measure the fields of the different organs.
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SPEAKER_01: We can see that if as an organ gets thicker, the field contracts, it gets, it gets smaller, it gets weaker.
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SPEAKER_01: A healthy organ has a large field.
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SPEAKER_01: The heart, we think, has the largest biofield.
15:18
SPEAKER_01: And this is also um biblical, right?
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SPEAKER_01: It's like science is catching up with the Bible that you know, be careful of who you are around.
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SPEAKER_01: Your biofields do interact, right?
15:28
SPEAKER_01: This is basic physics.
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SPEAKER_01: The biofield is made up of energy, all right, which is um which is like waves, wave part wave, wave and particle, right?
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SPEAKER_01: Uh, I don't want to get too too much down in into the physics of it, but you know, but in essence, we are wave and particle, and you can go into the quantum into understanding this more, but you do interact with each other through your biofield.
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SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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SPEAKER_01: So what he showed me was that the way I was trained, and the way what Western medicine operates is that your DNA is your blueprint for the body, right?
16:05
SPEAKER_01: So the DNA is gonna um from your DNA, you're gonna produce everything in your body.
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SPEAKER_01: You're gonna produce all your proteins, all your enzymes, you know, your muscles, your bones, your eyes, everything is going to be produced by your body reading your DNA, right?
16:21
SPEAKER_01: And disease, right?
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SPEAKER_01: That you're doomed by your genetics.
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SPEAKER_01: What he showed me was that um the DNA is not actually your instruction manual for the body, it's actually the biofield.
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SPEAKER_01: The biofield contains the instruction manual for your physical body.
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SPEAKER_01: So in order to reverse a disease, you have to change the instruction manual, right?
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SPEAKER_01: Otherwise, you can do all this work on the physical level, and at most, you're gonna go into remission, and usually the disease will come back over time, right?
17:01
SPEAKER_01: And this is why all those practitioners that I listened to, they can only claim that their clients were in remission.
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SPEAKER_01: They could never claim that they were healed, right?
17:13
SPEAKER_01: Because they only address the physical level.
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SPEAKER_00: So you know, and and how many, how many times do we know, for example, um, I mean, I know personally uh several uh folks who have died from cancer, um who went went the the the the typical you know the typical orthodoxy and and and they said they had a rebound.
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SPEAKER_00: They seemed to rebound for a couple of years.
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SPEAKER_00: And it seemed to be, you know, hey, you know, we're doing and then all of a sudden it just came back with a vengeance, and the next thing you know, they're they've they've passed away.
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SPEAKER_00: Um and so there's there's a there's a lot of emotions going on in that.
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SPEAKER_00: You've got that initial hope and and then and then you don't actually deal with the root.
18:00
SPEAKER_00: Um you know, then then it's gonna almost come back uh you know, like the like the demonic guy and the and and the the initial uh demons that were left and then they came back with ten more that were worse, you know, uh kind of thing.
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SPEAKER_00: And the your your biofuel thing is is powerful because think about um you're making me think like I'm I'm sitting here, I'm a battery.
18:23
SPEAKER_00: All right, think about a battery, all right.
18:25
SPEAKER_00: And of course, you know, we know from Dr.
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SPEAKER_00: Tom Cowan, who's gonna speak at our uh our summit uh here in a couple of months, uh that that uh the the fourth state of water is is part of the uh of the battery fluids in which these electrical impulses uh uh like a transformer, like a transformer.
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SPEAKER_00: All right.
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SPEAKER_00: So think about uh when uh when you get next to you know uh if you've ever jump started a car and you you you know you touch the you touch the um the the cable clamps to each other and they spark, you know, you got this spark going on.
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SPEAKER_00: Um think think about that when you when you get up next to a toxic a toxic negative person, uh those those electrodes spark, and that's the a lot of the emotional trauma that happens in in families in extreme dysfunction in families, uh the kind of things you know when I see when I see how parents talk to their kids in a grocery store and I just I I just cringe, I just cringe.
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SPEAKER_00: What must it be like at home when a par you know swears at their kid and and and and denigrates them in in public?
19:52
SPEAKER_00: But this happens this happens all the time.
19:55
SPEAKER_00: And so uh so so I I I would like just that mental picture of our listeners to appreciate if we uh let's assume that we are this this uh you know uh electric uh uh this electric thing.
20:11
SPEAKER_00: Um who who energizes you and who makes you spark.
20:19
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
20:19
SPEAKER_00: And that that that gives a lot of uh of direction as to who we need to spend time with and who we need to withdraw from.
20:30
SPEAKER_01: I love that.
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SPEAKER_01: And actually, that's one of the steps that I work with, uh, like when I'm working with clients or in groups, one of the easiest things you can do to start with is to identify which relationships are toxic to you and which ones are healing to you.
20:44
SPEAKER_01: And it's the same thing that you're saying is that how do you feel when you're around that person?
20:49
SPEAKER_01: You know, do they bring you up or do you feel worse about yourself?
20:53
SPEAKER_01: You know, and so let's give one example of how people use their biofield, but they may not realize they're actually using it.
21:02
SPEAKER_01: Okay, so if you walk into a room and it's like people are celebrating, they're having a birthday party, for instance.
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SPEAKER_01: You walk into that room, how do you think you're gonna feel happy or you're gonna feel sad?
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SPEAKER_01: Right?
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SPEAKER_01: You're gonna feel happy, and your biofield is reading, it's interacting with their high vibrational frequencies of their biofield.
21:27
SPEAKER_01: Versus, like if you walk into a room, sometimes you can tell if like people are gossiping and whatever, it's a lower vibrational frequency.
21:34
SPEAKER_01: You can tell, or if they're talking about you, right?
21:37
SPEAKER_01: You can feel that you can often feel like a tension in the room, and that is your biofield interacting with the other biofields in the room.
21:46
SPEAKER_01: So this it sounds kind of like an abstract concept when you start talking about it, but we actually use it.
21:51
SPEAKER_01: We use our biofield every day to like sense our surroundings.
21:55
SPEAKER_01: Like, you know, if you're walking down the street and all of a sudden you feel like, uh, maybe.
22:00
SPEAKER_01: I'm in a little bit of danger.
22:01
SPEAKER_01: You know, that's a you're feeling the energies that are around you.
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SPEAKER_01: You just aren't aware that you're you're processing that.
22:08
SPEAKER_01: And actually, um, the biofield is a term that's been coined now by the National Institute of Health.
22:14
SPEAKER_01: Like it is an acknowledged thing.
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SPEAKER_01: There's thousands of studies in the literature about the biofield.
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SPEAKER_01: So it's just a collection of all of the EMFs that is generated by your individual body.
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SPEAKER_01: All right.
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SPEAKER_00: And so if if that if that if that biofield is so tied to our emotional, our emotional state, think of the difference between between as as you as you live your daily life and interact with people, if you come from a place of love, respect, encouragement, I I I have your best interest at heart.
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SPEAKER_00: And in a in a culture now today, think about you know, ESG, corporate, I mean the the vengeance, the reparations, the I'm gonna censor you, uh, the the colleges that are that are uh anyway, I I I could go on.
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SPEAKER_00: I don't I don't want to get too political, but my goodness, the the amount of of negative energy flowing from from large sectors of uh of our of our culture, um it's it's it's it's not healthy for our for society.
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SPEAKER_00: And if you uh if if you uh if you can't laugh at yourself, if you can't laugh at your own weaknesses, if you can't laugh at your own idiosyncrasies and sillinesses, um you know, you you you you bottle all this up.
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SPEAKER_00: My um my my um mentor Alan Nation used to say and I've used this a lot, uh used to say that if you're in your you know late 20s and you're still kind of what you know uh struggling about what to do, go back to when you were 10 years old.
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SPEAKER_00: Because 10 years old is the is the truest you of you.
24:11
SPEAKER_00: Um 10 years old, you're old enough to kind of you know have your character, personality established, know who you are, what do you like to do, but it's it's too early to have any responsibilities.
24:21
SPEAKER_00: So you're not an adult, and and but yet you're you know you're becoming a person at 10.
24:27
SPEAKER_00: And and um and because you know by the time you're 20, now you have to please the teacher, please the preacher, please the you know, the guidance counselor, please the professor, uh, uh please your spouse, uh, please your in-laws, and and and society, seeing that society beats the 10-year-old out of us.
24:46
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
24:47
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and for some of us like me, that happened before 10.
24:51
SPEAKER_01: Oh, yes, yes.
24:52
SPEAKER_01: So we live our whole lives um in a state of not feeling good enough, you know, of feeling inadequate.
24:59
SPEAKER_01: And that really the bottom line for the emotional root cause of all illness.
25:06
SPEAKER_01: Um, you know, you can talk about anger, resentment, abandonment, whatnot.
25:10
SPEAKER_01: But when you really peel back even the layers within the emotions, it all boils down to not feeling loved, right?
25:19
SPEAKER_01: The inside of us is inside of almost all of us is this wounded child who never really did feel loved and accepted.
25:27
SPEAKER_01: And and so that's that is actually the crux.
25:31
SPEAKER_01: Like that is when you get to the point where you feel loved and accepted, right?
25:37
SPEAKER_01: You transcend the disease.
25:39
SPEAKER_01: And um, that requires stopping to stop looking for external validation, right?
25:49
SPEAKER_01: I mean, how many of us look for external validation?
25:52
SPEAKER_01: Right.
25:52
SPEAKER_01: Um, and and I'm not saying like I am perfect at that.
25:56
SPEAKER_01: I am not.
25:57
SPEAKER_01: This is a daily journey that I do.
25:59
SPEAKER_01: I do a daily detox, right?
26:02
SPEAKER_01: I did a lot of emotional detox once God showed this to me that got me out of remission and got me fully healed.
26:09
SPEAKER_01: Like there's no signs of disease or inflammation in my body whatsoever.
26:14
SPEAKER_01: And that is, you know, thanks to God and showing me this emotional component.
26:19
SPEAKER_01: Um, but I did a lot of emotional detox working through and transcending these traumas that had occurred, you know, in childhood.
26:27
SPEAKER_01: Um, there's also um, so so let me back up for a second.
26:32
SPEAKER_01: Uh to give you a visual, the biofield, as I mentioned, is energy.
26:38
SPEAKER_01: What are emotions?
26:40
SPEAKER_01: They are simply energy.
26:42
SPEAKER_01: They resonate at either a high vibrational frequency or, you know, all the way down to low vibrational frequency.
26:48
SPEAKER_01: Um, from a biblical perspective, the fruits of the spirit, those all resonate at a higher vibrational frequency as compared to something like um shame, right?
27:00
SPEAKER_01: Lots of us carry shame from our childhood.
27:03
SPEAKER_01: I wasn't good enough.
27:05
SPEAKER_01: You know, if only I had been this way, my parents would have actually like loved me, right?
27:10
SPEAKER_01: They would have accepted me.
27:11
SPEAKER_01: There's a lot of shame.
27:12
SPEAKER_01: Those shame, anger, those are all low vibrational um frequencies.
27:18
SPEAKER_01: And so in the biofield, because emotions are energy, they can be stored in the biofield.
27:26
SPEAKER_01: And so, like I said, the biofield is actually the instruction manual for the physical body.
27:31
SPEAKER_01: It is upstream of the physical body.
27:34
SPEAKER_01: And so when your biofield is filled with lower vibrational frequency emotions like anger or hatred, or you know, you're not forgiving people, those energies are instructing your physical body of how to proceed on a day-to-day basis.
27:54
SPEAKER_01: So if you're in fear, right, anger, anger at the at the core of anger is actually fear.
28:01
SPEAKER_01: So if you're in fear, you are now building a body that is prepared for a fearful environment, right?
28:09
SPEAKER_01: That's more of an inflammatory body versus the opposite.
28:13
SPEAKER_01: So one way to make this a little more tangible is that you'll see many, many counts, hundreds, and if not thousands of counts in the medical literature of what they call spontaneous remissions or spontaneous healings.
28:28
SPEAKER_01: Those have occurred in spite of the Western medicine medicine medicine doctors' best efforts, right?
28:34
SPEAKER_01: In spite of all of these medications that they've given them and all these protocols, um, these spontaneous healings occur um instantaneously, and the majority of time they occur because of an act of forgiveness.
28:53
SPEAKER_01: So it's an emotional release that has actually healed the individual.
28:58
SPEAKER_01: Because, see, once your biofield is cluttered up, let's say, with all of these negative low frequency emotions that you're holding on to, there is no space for joy, for gratitude, for love.
29:11
SPEAKER_01: And so when they and so you so you would have to release, you have to release the negative emotions, like these people who have experienced spontaneous remissions have done.
29:21
SPEAKER_01: It's usually a massive act of forgiveness, it releases it, and then you must fill the space with fruits of the spirit, with the joy, with the gratitude.
29:32
SPEAKER_01: That raises your whole vibrational frequency, and that now reprograms the body with an entirely different instruction manual.
29:40
SPEAKER_00: You know, you know, that is that is so powerful and and practical.
29:44
SPEAKER_00: And I'm thinking, I'm thinking of a of a friend of mine who's told me once, he said, um we were talking about you know growing up and maturity, and he said, I'll tell you the day I became an adult.
29:58
SPEAKER_00: I said, Oh, really?
29:59
SPEAKER_00: The day you became an adult.
30:01
SPEAKER_00: He said, Yeah.
30:02
SPEAKER_00: He said, The day I became an adult was the day, the day that I forgave my parents for all of their um for for all the things they didn't do right.
30:22
SPEAKER_00: And uh and realized they did the best they could.
30:27
SPEAKER_00: They did the best they did could at the time with what they had.
30:31
SPEAKER_00: And the day that I uh uh acknowledged uh that they did the best they could and forgave them for all the things that I thought they should have done better, that's the day I became an adult.
30:45
SPEAKER_00: And I mean so that was his word, I became an adult.
30:48
SPEAKER_00: I think you would say that's the day that you uh that you move from a place of resentment to a place of gratitude, and suddenly your your um your battery uh just got energy.
31:05
SPEAKER_00: I mean, I don't know how else to say it, but but uh uh you know that's uh because look, no parent is perfect.
31:14
SPEAKER_00: No and and and for sure, since these are the most intimate relationships of our lives, uh we carry into adulthood the uh uh the the the failed expectations.
31:32
SPEAKER_00: Um and and then and then resentment for those failed expectations.
31:36
SPEAKER_00: Well, you know what?
31:38
SPEAKER_00: You know, they had things on their minds and their hearts that we didn't know about and and and only had limited understanding uh that we looking back now, you know, we can we can look back, well, I wish, I wish, I wish, you know, and uh and you know you you can't you can't unring that bell, you can't undo that that thing.
31:57
SPEAKER_00: And so um so acceptance and then gratitude and forgiveness are the way to move forward to resentment.
32:04
SPEAKER_00: And I I I I just see this everywhere.
32:06
SPEAKER_00: I see people, um, I mean, I mean, I grew up in a pretty good family, but I have resentments, you know.
32:12
SPEAKER_00: I'm uh looking back and man, you know, why didn't they why didn't they do this?
32:17
SPEAKER_00: And um, and at some point you you you have to you have to just you have to release it and assume that they were making their decisions the best they knew how.
32:28
SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
32:28
SPEAKER_01: And and I love your friend's analogy to that, that's when he became an adult.
32:33
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and you're exactly right.
32:35
SPEAKER_01: To me, that is when you you have transcended the disease, right?
32:40
SPEAKER_01: That that's when you have healed, you've begun healing the wounded child.
32:44
SPEAKER_01: You know, you move from scarcity into abundance, right?
32:48
SPEAKER_01: Um, and that's taking responsibility.
32:51
SPEAKER_01: So for me, what it looked like was um God showed me that I had misplaced expectations.
32:59
SPEAKER_01: So I like to use that word of misplaced expectations because it wasn't that they didn't live up to expectations, right?
33:07
SPEAKER_01: Like who set those expectations on them, right?
33:10
SPEAKER_01: It was me who set a misplaced expectation of them.
33:14
SPEAKER_01: I learned that I wanted them to be a certain way, and like you said, they weren't capable.
33:20
SPEAKER_01: And so the analogy that I have is that my father, for instance, I wanted him to be an ocean.
33:27
SPEAKER_01: I wanted him to be able to carry all the water in the ocean for me.
33:32
SPEAKER_01: But in reality, based on his resources that he had at the moment, based on his own experiences with his parents and his wounded child, he was a thimble.
33:42
SPEAKER_01: That's how much water he could carry was actually a thimble.
33:46
SPEAKER_01: That visualization allowed me to see, oh, I expected him to do all of this and be this great thing, but he was only actually capable of being a thimble.
33:55
SPEAKER_01: And he gave me what he was capable of giving me, whether right or wrong, it doesn't matter.
34:00
SPEAKER_01: It's not a judgment.
34:01
SPEAKER_01: He did what he was capable of doing.
34:03
SPEAKER_01: And so what I learned to help me forgive is the phrase, I forgive you for not being the way I wanted you to be, right?
34:13
SPEAKER_01: I forgive you and I set you free.
34:16
SPEAKER_01: And I like that because it's taking you are, you know, you you will not heal from any kind of disease if you sit in a state of victimhood.
34:26
SPEAKER_01: You must take responsibility for everything that's happened in your life, including your childhood.
34:32
SPEAKER_01: And I know that sounds counterintuitive, especially since, you know, like that in my childhood, I underwent a molestation.
34:39
SPEAKER_01: So it's like, how would you accept responsibility for that?
34:42
SPEAKER_01: But what I'm saying is I accept responsibility for the misplaced expectation that I had that they are supposed to be this certain way, right?
34:50
SPEAKER_01: And so, and so I don't, I no longer I relieve them from that expectation.
34:56
SPEAKER_01: So I was able to forgive them for not being the way I wanted them to be.
34:59
SPEAKER_01: And then the next step is forgive yourself, right?
35:02
SPEAKER_01: For for placing these expectations.
35:04
SPEAKER_01: And I know we're almost out of time, so we can end here, but that's what it really comes down to.
35:09
SPEAKER_01: I've realized is that when I'm upset with somebody, right?
35:12
SPEAKER_01: When somebody disappoints me or whatnot, you know, it it often it's usually because I had a misplaced expectation of what that person was or wasn't gonna do, you know, and so I try to now reframe it that okay, how can I take responsibility in this um and release that person because we we are energetically connected.
35:35
SPEAKER_01: So I don't want to also bring them down.
35:37
SPEAKER_01: I want to be like like you said, I want to be somebody who charges your battery, you know, and you can't charge someone's battery if you have these expectations over them.
35:48
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
35:49
SPEAKER_00: Boy, you know, um, disappointment.
35:52
SPEAKER_00: Disappointment is uh uh I mean it it's it's a true emotion.
35:57
SPEAKER_00: All of us are are disappointed.
36:00
SPEAKER_00: Uh we I mean I even disappoint myself, okay.
36:03
SPEAKER_00: I mean that's right.
36:05
SPEAKER_00: Uh and so so we we have these disappointments, but my goodness, what a what a uh I'm gonna I'm gonna get teary here in a minute.
36:13
SPEAKER_00: Uh and but this this idea that you're bringing uh uh that we're discussing, just just imagine I mean we're obviously wanting to be helpful for the folks that are listening to this to work through their own situations personally.
36:28
SPEAKER_00: Uh but think about uh think about everybody who can work through this uh in their personal life, uh the ramifications that it'll have in your marriage, your family, uh, the people in your in your social circles.
36:42
SPEAKER_00: Uh and then just imagine if this could actually be uh implemented in our in our society.
36:49
SPEAKER_00: What a what a different world, what a different society we'd have.
36:53
SPEAKER_00: Um it's uh and and and uh uh you know we're not we're not uh we're not coming at this from well it'd be a society where you know people have freedom and liberty and and and no no it it it's a society where people uh actually uh uh are not easily offended.
37:17
SPEAKER_00: Yeah You know, are not easily offended and and actually sincerely believe uh that I have your best interest at heart.
37:26
SPEAKER_00: That's why I hate all this labeling of intent.
37:29
SPEAKER_00: You know, uh I don't I don't even I don't even think Monsanto I have so many people Monsanto is evil.
37:35
SPEAKER_00: No, they're not evil.
37:36
SPEAKER_00: Monsanto's a bunch of people, I I disagree with them, but they're they're they're well intended.
37:42
SPEAKER_00: They believe they're healing the world, they're they're growing food, they're saving the planet.
37:47
SPEAKER_00: When you when you beam negative intent on somebody, um I don't think it's healthy for for you, even for you, because then that feeds this this vengeance, this resentments, this, this get-evenism, get get rid of them, get out of, you know, and and and um and and uh we we're certainly not saying I think you we're something we're not saying you should agree with everybody.
38:12
SPEAKER_00: What we are saying you have to change your response to that disagreement and disappointment, or it will bring you down.
38:22
SPEAKER_00: And and that's the that's the point.
38:24
SPEAKER_01: That's right.
38:25
SPEAKER_01: Because just like you said, everything you put out there energetically does come back to you, you know.
38:30
SPEAKER_01: And what I what I I love your vision of, you know, if we could all just you know clear the emotions, clear the stuck emotions, then we would interact differently.
38:39
SPEAKER_01: And and I'll I'll end on this point.
38:42
SPEAKER_01: Like I said, the emotional root cause of all disease comes down to not feeling loved and accepted the way that you are.
38:50
SPEAKER_01: What I have experienced and witnessed is that the people who in general feel the most unloved and the most like unaccepted tend to be the ones that lash out more, right?
39:05
SPEAKER_01: That are more like volatile, that have more like baggage, emotional baggage that they carry around with them.
39:12
SPEAKER_01: You can't actually love and accept somebody else unless you love and accept yourself first, right?
39:20
SPEAKER_01: And so that's why I say it's it starts with you.
39:23
SPEAKER_01: It starts with, okay, just sit there and think, what things am I doing throughout the day where I'm basically almost screaming for external validation, right?
39:33
SPEAKER_01: I'm screaming to be heard by somebody.
39:36
SPEAKER_01: And we see this a lot, even like on social media, right?
39:40
SPEAKER_01: That's the prominent platform for people to be like, I'm here, I'm heard.
39:44
SPEAKER_01: I mean, they're not literally saying that, but that is a way of the inner the wounded child screaming out to be heard and to be accepted, right?
39:54
SPEAKER_01: Like people like it when they get the thumbs up and the hearts and the you know, the likes and stuff, and they tend to get upset when they get the negative feedback.
40:03
SPEAKER_01: Um, and we'll say that's a human emotion, but why does it bother us so much, right?
40:09
SPEAKER_01: Why do we feel the need to have this external validation?
40:13
SPEAKER_01: And so that's even just a simple place to start to see how much are you actually seeking that in those around you and in the media, and and to start the process of, you know, once you love and accept yourself, you don't need that external validation.
40:28
SPEAKER_01: And then you interact completely differently with people because you're able to see them for who they are.
40:34
SPEAKER_01: Instead of when you carry these emotions with you, like you carry kind of your emotional baggage in your biofield, it does distort how you interact with other people, it distorts how you see them because they are mirrors of these imprints in your field, and so they will trigger you.
40:50
SPEAKER_01: So it's it's a we talk about freedom a lot uh on this podcast, you know, like, you know, and a lot of this is you know, freedom to grow your own food and you know, make your own health choices and stuff.
41:00
SPEAKER_01: But this is a level of freedom that transcends all of that because you can go through life now and not be triggered by other people.
41:09
SPEAKER_01: You can transcend all of that and stay in this higher level of consciousness, you know, at least for good portions of the day, where you actually do feel the fruits of the spirit.
41:20
SPEAKER_01: I mean, Joel, can you imagine walking around feeling the fruits of the spirit most of the day?
41:24
SPEAKER_01: Like most of us have no concept of how that would even feel, you know, what that would look like.
41:29
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's right.
41:30
SPEAKER_00: Because most people are either resentful about something, they're they're they're they're uh they're they're greedy.
41:37
SPEAKER_00: I mean, all of us are greedy.
41:39
SPEAKER_00: I mean, I'm I'm not I'm not pointing my finger, but most of us have, you know, uh we we have these these things where we're we're selfish, we're uh we're resentful about something, we're uh uh greedy about something, we're we're um uh saying something's unfair, and uh and it ought to be, you know, somebody ought to correct this thing.
42:02
SPEAKER_00: Um you know, there are so many things that you can be uh you know that you can be uh uh negative about.
42:11
SPEAKER_00: And so uh if we're if we're a battery, let's uh let's work on being a positive terminal, not a negative terminal.
42:18
SPEAKER_00: And uh that that might that might be a good that might be a good ending note here.
42:22
SPEAKER_00: So so close this out and we'll uh and we'll and we'll call it a day.
42:29
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I I love that.
42:30
SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna picture myself as a battery walking around trying to, you know, I'm charging people up with my field, you know.
42:36
SPEAKER_01: Um but I love that.
42:37
SPEAKER_01: And and so I'll I guess I'll close with this.
42:40
SPEAKER_01: If you have any kind of disease or ailment, if you're anywhere on you know that continuum, um, number one, it's easier to reverse it the sooner that you start.
42:50
SPEAKER_01: All right.
42:50
SPEAKER_01: Number two, though, they're all reversible, right?
42:54
SPEAKER_01: Every single one of them is reversible.
42:56
SPEAKER_01: Do not believe people who tell you that they are not reversible.
42:59
SPEAKER_01: God designed us to be resilient and he gave us all the tools that we need to reverse any of these conditions.
43:05
SPEAKER_01: Um, and I will say that, you know, when I look back, I'm actually not surprised that the disease is gone.
43:14
SPEAKER_01: Right?
43:15
SPEAKER_01: I I'm not surprised at all because I always believed that God can completely heal anything.
43:21
SPEAKER_01: But what I was surprised at was how free I felt.
43:25
SPEAKER_01: And that I've never felt that type of mental, emotional, or spiritual, spiritual freedom ever in my entire life.
43:34
SPEAKER_01: I never even imagined that that would be possible.
43:37
SPEAKER_01: And with that freedom came such an immense joy that it was it was like hearing a baby's laugh or seeing your child's faces as they run down the stairs on Christmas morning and open up the gifts, you know.
43:52
SPEAKER_01: There was nothing, even now, like I want to start crying.
43:55
SPEAKER_01: There's nothing that can compare with it.
43:58
SPEAKER_01: And once you've handed it all over to God and He's brought you to that pivotal, pivotal moment, it changes you forever.
44:07
SPEAKER_01: And you realize anything is possible.
44:11
SPEAKER_01: It's it's faith over fear.
44:13
SPEAKER_01: It in every one of these situations, it is faith over fear.
44:17
SPEAKER_01: And every day of the week, I choose God over the fear.
44:21
SPEAKER_01: And so I would just encourage people, if if this resonates with you, the first step for me, the easiest step, is to just start communicating with God about it.
44:31
SPEAKER_01: Just ask him, can you help me?
44:33
SPEAKER_01: Can you show me the way?
44:35
SPEAKER_01: And he will provide.
44:39
SPEAKER_00: That's great.
44:40
SPEAKER_00: Well, thank you, Cena.
44:41
SPEAKER_00: It's a wonderful, wonderful story.
44:43
SPEAKER_00: I hope it's been helpful.
44:44
SPEAKER_00: I know it uh it encourages and challenges me.
44:47
SPEAKER_00: I hope it uh does for all of you.
44:49
SPEAKER_00: Thank you for joining us on Beyond Labels Podcast.
44:52
SPEAKER_00: We look forward to seeing you next week.