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Into the Weeds Podcast -Athena Hogan Case Files Part 9 · Military Broadcast Radio | MBR Talk

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  Hello and welcome back to Into the Weeds podcast here on
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  Military Broadcast Radio. I'm Amber.
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  Whoops, that got moved and I'm the Laura and this is Oates.
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  I hope everybody's doing well tonight.
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  Yes, hello everyone. I hope also that the last two
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  weeks was kind of a a break for you guys to kind of refresh
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  everybody before we get back into the documents.
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  I had a good time with Tony the last two weeks.
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  I had a good time. I think we goofed off a little
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  too much, but we had a good time.
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  Yeah. Hey, Joy and Pippa dot, good to
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  see you guys. So this week we really didn't do
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  much this week I don't think. I was lazy other than going to
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  work so. Yeah, anyway, hello Fluffy
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  Stingray. I actually I've been working on
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  a video. I just showed a Laura a preview
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  of it. It is going to be about Woodrow
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  Derrenberger. Nell from the case Dive told me
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  about that case. I had never heard about it
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  before and so I'm making a video about it.
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  And she's doing a good job. And I'm a tough critic.
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  I don't go easy on nobody, but my mom was doing a good job.
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  too, ever since like. Yeah, 'cause he does a special
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  Yeah, he does a curly cut since my hair is curly technically so,
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  yeah. So it, you know, forms the curls
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  better. Yeah.
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  I didn't even do anything. All I did was washed it and put
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  some gel in it. So good stuff.
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  Yeah, I'm so bad at doing my hair, like it's not even funny.
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  Oh, thank you fluffy Stingray. Stingray.
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  I don't I don't really understand all the YouTube gifts
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  quite. Yet I don't either.
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  I don't either. Hey, Marissa Monroe, good to see
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  you. OK, so also before we get into
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  the preliminary hearing that we've been going over on Athena
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  Hogan, I did want to mention that military broadcast radio.
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  It's not something that we do often to ask for that kind of
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  here. So please.
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  OK, so it looks like we got some more people.
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  Oh, I got to change that. OK, so let's see, we've got
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  Merkel. I just caught up on your videos
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  about this case. How interest.
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  Interesting. Coincidental that this case was
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  getting reopened for the first time in years when you decided
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  to cover it. Yeah, no, it really is.
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  And that's, I think that's the reason why the detective called
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  me, because he's like, hey, what?
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  What's going on here? So he's no longer the detective
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  on the case, someone else's. But they've never reached out to
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  me. But since he has been taken off
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  of the case, he has reached out to me a couple of times.
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  I remember being in the car one time.
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  We were in Colorado, I think. Yeah, we were actually on our
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  way to crime con to set up and everything.
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  So yeah. What are the odds?
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  Yeah, I know. Very interesting.
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  So we're going to get right into it.
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  And last time I was on, I stopped on page.
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  Let me zoom out a little bit. I think it's 327, yes, 327
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  you're having a hard time hearing.
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  Yeah, I'm wondering, Noah, you're like, like, it's really
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  bad in my ear. I wonder if it's because Charles
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  messes with the audio every time I'm gonna punch him.
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  My son comes down here and uses it for Dungeons and Dragons.
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  So when? He when I come back like.
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  Everything's coming out so bad. OK, so we're starting back on
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  page 327 of the original document and 332 of the PDF.
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  And thank you, Joy, for putting that Google link in there
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  because you can find the documents and read along with
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  us. And this is the preliminary
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  hearing of Harvey Templeton in the murder of Athena Hogan from
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  1987. And, and Athena was out selling
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  candy bars for a school fundraiser like many of us did
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  in the 80s and the 90s. So yeah, that's, that's what
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  we're going to get into. And this is the testimony, the
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  cross examination of Donald, Detective Donald Belcher.
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  So we're going to get into it. Where's 1980 millennials?
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  She'd be sad she missed them. Yeah, Yep.
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  Yeah. I tried to get into D&D, but
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  it's really hard for me. You've got to have like an
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  elaborate imagination, and I'm just not that good at it.
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  Now. Baldersgate.
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  I can get down with Baldersgate a little bit more than D&D, but
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  definitely you've got to have an imagination with D&D.
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  I'm glad Charles likes it. I'm, I mean, I don't know, I'm
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  not very interested in like fantasy or like fiction anyway.
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  Like even like watching movies or reading books I, I like.
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  I'm not. Interested.
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  Oh, I love fantasy. Maybe it's just 'cause I'm
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  boring. I like the idea of it, like I
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  like very like, I don't know, like the elves and the the
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  fairies and she. Likes the pretty stuff.
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  Things, but I don't know, I'm not really that interested in
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  listening to stories. OK, so they went on recess and
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  they came back and so we're going to get into it.
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  The court, Mr. Tannery, I've spoken with you and Mr. Zelps
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  during the recess and you need, if I'm correct, Detective Greg,
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  Lord Anne Reed with the OSBI, of course, Mr. Belcher's still on
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  the witness stand. And was it Mr. Tannery?
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  Larry Mohammed, The court, Larry Mohammed, You, you 3 need to
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  stay here. All you other witnesses that are
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  here. Now, we're going to pick this up
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  at 1:30 on January the 7th, and you're ordered to be back ready
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  to testify at that time. You may or may not receive
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  another subpoena, but whether or not you receive 1, you are
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  ordered to be back at that time, January 7th at 1:30, unless
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  you're notified otherwise by the court and you're excused.
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  And the rule still remains in effect that I told you about
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  earlier until this preliminary hearing is concluded.
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  That does not prohibit you from talking to attorneys, though.
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  All right, let's see. I guess I need to put on the
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  record, and Lord is here. What's your name, Sir?
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  Yes, Sir. Witness Bill Albert.
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  Bill Albert, the court. Bill Albert.
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  What's your name, ma'am? Right here.
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  Witness Lorraine Jenkins. Lorraine Jenkins, The court.
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  OK. And you've already testified,
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  haven't you? Witness Jenkins?
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  Yes, the court, OK, That's all the other witnesses that are
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  here, I guess the rest of them will be back at 4.
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  Witness. And Lord, this is for all
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  defense witnesses, the court, all the witnesses other than the
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  three that I named off that we need to finish up with.
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  And let's see, Mr. Belcher, you can just resume your seat here.
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  Yeah. Mr. Zelps.
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  Thank you, Your Honor, by Mr. Zeltz Detective Belcher, over
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  the lunch period, I got to thinking about some of the
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  things you said and I wanted to know, you said that you
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  approximately there was 230 houses that were visited
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  screening for or in excess of 230 looking for carpet, right?
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  Yes, there was. And that was there in that
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  neighborhood, specifically Mission, that and the
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  surrounding area too. OK, Now of those 230 or excess
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  of 230, how many were how many samples were taken?
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  I would say 10 or better, 10 or better.
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  And were all of those sent? Did you take all of those
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  samples up to Anne Reed? They were all taken to her.
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  You didn't take all of them, right?
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  I took the majority of them. We'd love to look and see which
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  ones I did take. You only took carpet that you
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  felt fit the description. Description.
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  Or yes, Sir. That she was looking for, right?
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  Yes, Sir. OK, now when you were down there
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  at Clyde and Tilly's down at the, I think it's called C&E,
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  auto or C and something. Seeing something.
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  OK. Did you go in the office down
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  there? I may have.
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  There wasn't anyone in the office, if I recall.
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  We were outside talking. Do you know for sure if you went
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  in there or not? I don't know positively.
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  I was kind of snooping around at lunchtime and, gosh, got the
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  same kind of carpet in there that they had out there at
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  Harvey's house. And I wondered if you noticed
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  that. No, I didn't.
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  OK. You didn't take a sample from
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  his, did you? No, I didn't.
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  Now I'm a little confused. What color do you say the carpet
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  is in the Tina in the Tina Hogan home?
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  What color was that in there? I'd have to look at the sample,
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  but I was under the impression it was blue-green, that type of
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  color, multi colored. OK.
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  Did you ever search a home in Shelter Creek known as the
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  Warner Home or did you assist on that?
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  I was out there. I didn't take anything from
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  there. Do you know what prompted the
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  Lawton Police Department to search that home?
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  Yes. That was a home that Robert
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  Taylor had said he'd visited. OK Was there any evidence seized
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  out there that you know of? I believe carpet samples were
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  sent to Anne Reid from that home.
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  What color? What color is the carpet out
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  there? There was some orangish color, I
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  believe, and maroon or red, something that fit that was
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  close or some similar. Anyhow, that caught your
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  attention, didn't it? Well, I didn't take the samples,
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  so I don't know exactly what was taken from there.
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  Anything else strange that looked like somebody had been in
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  there? I know that place is no one's
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  lived there. Did it look like somebody had
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  been in there? Maybe the back door was open.
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  I mean, it was not locked. You didn't do the search?
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  No. Detective Muhammad, was he
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  involved in that? I believe he was.
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  I'm not sure who all went out there.
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  I know they were there before I was there, so I don't know now
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  that if I recall right from visiting with my buddy Tyrone,
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  wasn't that search on the Warner house conducted even after
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  Robert Taylor had been released? I don't know.
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  OK, OK. You just kind of went out and
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  watched the boys do whatever they do and went on.
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  No, they, they had already had the samples.
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  I went out later and seen the house.
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  OK, What was the purpose of going out there and seeing?
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  Just to look around, OK. See if you might find something.
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  Yeah. Just to see the house.
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  Did you? I didn't find anything.
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  Was there some speculation that possibly, Well, it the girl had
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  died there or was taken there, it's a possibility that that's
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  what they were trying to rule out.
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  OK Have they been able to rule that out?
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  Well, the carpet samples didn't match.
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  You know that for sure. That's what I was told by Anne
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  Reed. Anne told you that.
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  OK, We don't know where the carpet on her came from, do we?
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  We don't know where the carpet fibers on the little girl came
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  from, do we? Well, I think we do.
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  But I don't know that to be 100%.
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  That's what I mean. You There's similarity that
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  carpet's similar to the carpet found in his home, right, Mr.
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  Tannery? Objection, Your honor, and reads
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  the expert in that the court. No, now he's offered an opinion
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  and I think Mr. Zelps ought to be allowed to follow up on that.
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  Yes. By Mr. Zelps.
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  They're similar, aren't they? Yes.
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  And no one can positively say that that carpet found on the
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  little girl, the fiber is absolutely positively came from
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  that house because there could be possibilities of other
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  sources, right? That is possible out of the one,
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  out of the ones that I did look at, that was the closest to me.
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  Yeah, OK, I understand that. Now I want to know, was every
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  house out there at Mission Village gone into and samples,
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  you know, to look for samples? There was three that was not
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  three houses there. Yes.
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  Now, where else did you take carpet samples from other than
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  Mission Village? There's a list of the ones.
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  Who's got that? I I believe Anne Reid does.
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  Good. OK, maybe she'll let me look at
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  it. There was three that were not.
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  Can you tell me why they weren't looked into unable to contact
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  someone there at the house? OK.
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  And so the possibility is you have, there's still a
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  possibility that three of them have the kind of carpet you're
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  looking for, right? Well, out of the three, only one
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  would and it's possible the other two, the other two, all of
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  them but one were made contact once or more.
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  One had no contact at all. And that was 2315 Woodbridge
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  Woodridge Dr. 2315 Woodridge. Yes, that man, as far as I could
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  learn, is a railroad worker and I've been, I have left cards
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  there on several occasions and have not made contact with him.
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  So you so you haven't you haven't excluded that place yet
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  at this time? That's the one house that in
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  Mission Village. No contacts been made.
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  OK. Now, where else outside of
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  Mission Village did you all look?
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  There was a trailer park. Is that where the swimming pool
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  is? That's empty.
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  Yeah. That's all messed up.
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  Yes. Yes.
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  Uh huh. OK.
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  That little trailer park. Yes.
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  OK. Did you go in those trailers
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  there and look at the carpets? Yes.
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  And were samples taken from any of those trailers?
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  Yes. OK.
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  How many? I think 2 Red's a pretty good
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  color over there in that trailer park, isn't it?
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  Well, it is. It wasn't just red.
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  It was a mixture of the three that we're looking for.
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  OK. Any place else?
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  Montego Bay. OK, Why?
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  What is Montego Bay? What does that come in?
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  How does that come into it? OK, if anybody remembers here on
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  the channel, hello, New Orleans lady, Good to see you.
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  If you remember correct, or if you remember, Michelle Crawford
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  went missing from Montego Bay, or at least her car was found in
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  the Montego Bay parking lot. We don't actually know where she
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  went missing from, but that's where her car and her purse and
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  everything was found. Wow, so that's interesting.
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  And that was where my sister lived as well.
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  It was an apartment complex and then in front of it was a a
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  hotel. So OK, how does that come into
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  it? Oh, it's within access off the
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  freeway. What did you go in apartments or
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  in motel rooms? We went in apartments as far as
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  getting samples and hallway. We also went to Regency Arms and
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  got samples there. I don't know exactly how many
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  apartments, but those that had a similarity, we went ahead and
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  took and admitted, submitted those to Anne.
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  OK, now we've. Is that pretty much it on the
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  you say maybe 10 different sets were sent up there to Anne?
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  There was more than that. I say 10, but I mean, I had more
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  than that this morning in my hands.
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  She'll have the exact number. Whatever she got, she should
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  have. OK.
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  Now, do you know a Mr. Bird who lives across the street from
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  Harvey Lee Templeton and his family?
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  Black gentleman, works for lot in public schools.
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  He's the landlord. Yes.
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  OK. I do know him.
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  OK. His daughter saw little Tina
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  that day at about 5:15, 5/30. He saw her, too.
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  Did you talk to him about that carpet?
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  Uh huh. OK.
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  Who placed that carpet in there? I'm trying to.
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  I cannot remember the man's name, but I talked to him also.
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  All right. Where did he get the carpet?
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  He got the carpet as a piece. This is the red section.
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  Now, the other part, as far as the patch works.
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  What am I what I'm talking about?
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  Yeah. There's a red patch in the
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  house, right, that came from the back of his pickup that he had
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  left over years about a week or two after the Templeton's moved
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  in. Now the other carpet, that was
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  the three colors joined together, uh huh, was put in
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  prior to 79, prior to the Templeton's moving in.
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  Yes, it was there already, and it's been there as far as he
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  knew, up until 79. All right, now I'm getting back
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  to the red carpet. OK, where was that red carpet
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  purchased? Mr. I cannot remember the man's
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  name, but he stated to me now, is this the this would be the
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  guy that Mister Byrd, Mr. Byrd had put in, hired him to put in.
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  Right. And you talked to the man who
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  was hired to put it in? Yes.
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  All right. Where did he purchase that
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  thing? He didn't purchase it.
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  He had it as a piece leftover. OK.
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  Did you check around town, see if a fellow could purchase that
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  kind of carpet? No, I didn't.
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  OK. Did you ever find out this multi
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  colored carpet that was in there?
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  Not the red? Uh huh.
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  Did you ever find out if that carpet was being sold here in
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  Lawton? No, that doesn't sound like
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  much. Due diligence.
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  Didn't find that out. Did you ever find the content of
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  nylon? Did you ever find out the
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  ingredients in the car in the carpet were what the ingredients
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  in the carpet were? Sorry guys, so much wool, so
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  much nylon, anything like that. Yes, I did not do that, but I
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  was told some chemical and and Reid, yes, she did that.
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  OK, so she can tell us all about that.
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  Pretty much. OK.
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  Now the little girl, as you probably well know, was found
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  with a gag in her mouth. Yes.
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  OK. Did you ever have you ever seen
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  the color of that piece of cloth?
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  Yes, OK. Did you seize any?
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  Did you seize any cloth? Cloth that are similar.
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  Sorry. Hold on, Let me take a drink.
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  What? I'm just watching you take the
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  drink. I feel comfortable.
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  Nothing. See what I have to deal with.
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  OK. Did you seize any?
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  Did you seize any clothes that are similar?
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  I did not. Did you take any from the
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  Templeton's? I do not know what was taken
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  from there. OK.
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  There's a return. Where's where?
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  There's been items listed. So I assume that whatever they
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  took, it's been listed. Yes, it's listed.
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  OK. Did you and your investigation
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  look when you were in there looking at the carpets, ask
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  people to show them their dish rags or towels?
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  No. OK.
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  Now, Mr. Templeton told you that he had taken at about 10:00.
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  He went out and he went to the up by the 711.
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  Is that correct? Excuse me.
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  Yeah. 7:11 at the corner of 11th and Gore Blvd. dumped some
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  trash. He had said that on the
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  statement and after we questioned him about that, he
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  said between 8:00 and 10:00. He couldn't be specific then.
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  Well, he's specific on the statement.
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  It says it happened 10:00, doesn't it?
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  I believe it may say around or about 10.
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  All right, now, did you go up to the seven?
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  Did did he show? Did you ask him to take you
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  exactly to where he dumped it? No.
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  You know, there's a VFW and some other things back there.
• 25:19
  Yes, he had said that. The dumpster beside the 711.
• 25:24
  OK. Did he tell you that he dumped
• 25:26
  the trash there in the past? He said that he had done that
• 25:30
  before. All right, And you, being a good
• 25:33
  detective, know that those Dempsey dumpsters, a lot of
• 25:37
  people don't like you dumping in them unless you're supposed to
• 25:40
  be dumping in them. You understand what I'm saying?
• 25:44
  I guess Regency Arms wants the Regency Arm tend Arms tenants
• 25:52
  tenants to put their trash in those.
• 25:56
  Is that correct? You know that or could you
• 25:59
  assume that with me? I could.
• 26:02
  OK. In other words, you know, if you
• 26:05
  got caught out there dumping your trash somewhere, you would
• 26:08
  probably take your trash somewhere else, wouldn't you?
• 26:12
  Oh, I probably would if somebody said something.
• 26:16
  OK, that's what I'm getting to. Did you go to 711 with a picture
• 26:21
  of Harvey Templeton and ask them about the gentleman that came in
• 26:25
  there at a certain time to try to purchase, not try, but
• 26:30
  purchase some cigarettes? No.
• 26:34
  OK. Coca-Cola or whatever?
• 26:36
  No. That's wild.
• 26:40
  Do you know if any officers followed that up to see if
• 26:45
  Harvey was up there that anybody can remember?
• 26:48
  I don't know if they did or not. OK.
• 26:53
  Do you know of any witness or have heard of any witness that
• 26:57
  seen Harvey during this period of time that he was out of the
• 27:01
  home before he returned? He told me no one saw him.
• 27:08
  Well, I guarantee you somebody saw him in Lawton.
• 27:12
  It's just a matter of finding that person.
• 27:16
  So have you found anybody else that says that they have found
• 27:20
  that they have found saw they did see him?
• 27:25
  No. OK.
• 27:28
  You don't know. Haven't heard any other
• 27:31
  detectives say anything about that.
• 27:33
  No. OK.
• 27:35
  What date was it? The first date that you that you
• 27:39
  met Harvey Templeton, was that on the 31st, OK, yes.
• 27:46
  You went out there and that's when you had a search warrant to
• 27:50
  take hair. No, that's when we got the
• 27:53
  samples from the house. Samples from the house?
• 27:57
  Was he questioned at that time? No, other than, you know what
• 28:03
  happened. He was a suspect, wasn't he?
• 28:07
  Yeah. All everyone that we run into as
• 28:10
  far as connected with her were was all right.
• 28:17
  Hello, Kathleen. Good to see you.
• 28:19
  Hello. Yeah, being a good detective, I
• 28:26
  think he. Thinks that.
• 28:27
  Yeah, seems oddly evasive for someone being questioned in
• 28:31
  court. Yep.
• 28:33
  Yeah, no, this is it seems like they didn't do very much unless
• 28:40
  another detective is going to get on here and say something
• 28:43
  different. I don't know.
• 28:44
  I feel like we're constantly finding out that the police
• 28:46
  don't do their job. They want to be as lazy as
• 28:48
  possible. Ain't that the truth?
• 28:50
  And. You know.
• 28:53
  OK. Or detectives or whatever.
• 28:58
  Yeah, I know. Right.
• 28:59
  OK, Line 18, was that the first time that carpet samples came
• 29:04
  out of Harvey Templeton's house was on the 31st?
• 29:07
  Yes. OK.
• 29:09
  So he's just, he's in the group. Everybody you're going around
• 29:13
  canvassing, right? Uh huh.
• 29:15
  OK. When was and you talked to him?
• 29:18
  You basically when he saw Tina, if he saw Tina, Yeah.
• 29:24
  OK. So on and so forth.
• 29:28
  Uh huh. OK.
• 29:30
  He told you he saw her, didn't he?
• 29:34
  I believe he did. And we told him we needed to get
• 29:37
  a statement from him about it. OK.
• 29:40
  And he cooperated at every Ave. Yes, he did.
• 29:45
  He was pleasant to work with, was he not?
• 29:47
  Compared to some. Compared to some, He was.
• 29:51
  I'm wondering if they're alluding that Robert Taylor was
• 29:53
  not as pleasant to work with. OK, He didn't give you any hard
• 29:59
  times, did he? Oh, not really.
• 30:01
  I wouldn't. I wouldn't say so.
• 30:04
  The next time you saw Harvey was when?
• 30:07
  Now, this was on the 24th that you you're talking about.
• 30:12
  It was the 24th when we got the carpet samples.
• 30:16
  OK, the 31st was the next time. All right, you go back out there
• 30:25
  the next time you have a search warrant.
• 30:27
  At that time, no, he came down to the department.
• 30:32
  Now, by that time, Anne Reed had said, hey, there's something
• 30:36
  that looks similar, right? Yeah, the 24th and the 31st UV
• 30:42
  zeroed you, you start to 0 in on Harvey.
• 30:46
  Yes, Yes, we did. And that's why we advised him of
• 30:50
  his rights when he come in. OK, that's what I'm getting to.
• 30:56
  He now is a legitimate prime suspect in the murder of Tina
• 31:01
  Hogan. At this time.
• 31:03
  Yes. OK, he is.
• 31:06
  So you advise him of his rights? Muhammad.
• 31:10
  Yes, I believe Muhammad read them.
• 31:12
  But I was present. Well, did did you, did he sign a
• 31:17
  consent form at that time? Yes, he did.
• 31:21
  Is that the one? Uh huh.
• 31:23
  And that's when the statement was taken that day, Yes.
• 31:27
  OK. Anything he said to you that you
• 31:30
  have not relayed to us today, anything at all, only I can't
• 31:36
  think of everything that was said.
• 31:37
  Now, we did question, well, the details of the statement and
• 31:42
  that's where the OK 8 to 10 come in and he said could have been
• 31:52
  Detective Belcher. It's very important because
• 31:54
  later if there is a trial in this matter, I don't want to be
• 31:58
  surprised with a statement that we've never heard about before.
• 32:03
  So take your time here a few minutes and think about
• 32:06
  everything that was said, because if there's something
• 32:09
  that he said down there that we haven't heard, I want to know
• 32:13
  about it. Well, we talked about several
• 32:16
  things. He did state about she had
• 32:19
  several pieces of candy in the bag and that she had an envelope
• 32:23
  with money in it, I assume. I believe that's where he said
• 32:27
  she kept her money. Now, let me ask you something
• 32:31
  about that before we move on. OK?
• 32:35
  Were you able to find all the people she sold her candy to?
• 32:39
  No. OK.
• 32:42
  Is it going to turn out? What I'm trying to get to is at
• 32:46
  some later point, is there going to be a witness produced or
• 32:52
  series of witnesses that say, well, she didn't have any candy
• 32:57
  in her bag by the time she got to Harvey's.
• 33:00
  Do you know of anybody that says going to say anything like that
• 33:05
  or cumulative effect of that? Because they know who bought the
• 33:09
  candy and they're going to say no, OK, you see what I'm saying?
• 33:18
  There's a contradiction. If if Mr. Templeton said, yeah,
• 33:23
  there was some candy in her bag and they know how many pieces
• 33:28
  she had and go down the line, it would be hard for me to say
• 33:33
  because I don't know what if he was to say what he's going to.
• 33:39
  Then if somebody's got something that says different, then they
• 33:43
  can say so. Well, that's what I'm wondering
• 33:48
  if you have some witnesses. I don't.
• 33:52
  You know what you said? You know what he told you?
• 33:56
  That's all. I he said there was candy in the
• 34:00
  bag. She had some candy in the bag,
• 34:02
  right? Yes.
• 34:05
  OK. What else do you do you recall
• 34:07
  him saying? Well, now he did.
• 34:10
  He didn't really. He said some personal things as
• 34:14
  far as him and his wife not getting along OK, and that's
• 34:19
  about as far as that went. Didn't want to get real personal
• 34:24
  about that, but that's the conversation.
• 34:26
  As far as being exact, I can't. I don't recall, but I know that
• 34:31
  I knew this all along from talking to her before.
• 34:35
  They've had their squabbles like everybody else.
• 34:37
  I guess that's married, right? Yes.
• 34:41
  OK. You talked to her probably quite
• 34:44
  a bit, didn't you? Not really, You didn't.
• 34:49
  Afterwards I talked to her again before.
• 34:52
  I'd been out there at the house once before and talked to her.
• 34:55
  But Harvey was working, I guess. All right now.
• 35:00
  Mr. Tannery asked a question this morning.
• 35:04
  Did you ask Harvey if he put her pants and her shoes in there in
• 35:08
  the Dempsey dumpster? You never asked that question,
• 35:11
  did you? The way I just did it or said
• 35:14
  it? Not the way, no.
• 35:17
  We may have said that. That's what he did with the
• 35:20
  bags. That's what was in the bags.
• 35:23
  Accused him of it, did you say? Did you accuse him of that?
• 35:28
  I don't know if I did or if Muhammad did, but that could
• 35:32
  have been brought out. Was there some accusing going on
• 35:37
  during this interview? Oh, yes.
• 35:39
  Uh huh. OK.
• 35:41
  And that's a technique and a tactic that's probably
• 35:45
  recognized by all law enforcement.
• 35:47
  Yes. Well, once the statement was
• 35:49
  given, we went over it and we started finding some problems
• 35:53
  with it. OK.
• 35:55
  What you thought? OK, what you thought were
• 35:59
  problems. Right.
• 36:00
  What I thought was problems, yes.
• 36:03
  Turn up the heat and see what happens, right?
• 36:08
  Sort of like cross examination, right?
• 36:11
  Kind of. Next time around, you'll know
• 36:14
  I've got this statement. If you make a mistake, I'm going
• 36:17
  to turn up the heat, right? Well, I don't know if it's
• 36:21
  exactly that way, but OK. Now, when you talk to the wife,
• 36:26
  did she tell you that she was wanting to sell the car long
• 36:29
  before Tina Hogan disappeared? Not that I recall.
• 36:34
  You didn't ask her that question.
• 36:36
  Question, did you? Didn't talk to her about the
• 36:39
  car, did you? Yes, you did.
• 36:42
  Well, tell us what she said about the car then.
• 36:45
  She wasn't wanting to get in any more debt.
• 36:49
  He only did it because he wanted to, is what I can recall her
• 36:54
  saying. Now.
• 36:55
  There was a statement taken to that.
• 36:58
  He gave a statement, Yes. OK, where's that statement at?
• 37:03
  Do you have? It's here somewhere.
• 37:06
  You don't have it? No.
• 37:08
  OK, 31st he comes in, makes a statement.
• 37:11
  What day is he arrested? Do you know?
• 37:17
  No, Sir, I'd have to. Was it the day?
• 37:20
  Was it that day or the next day? No, it wasn't within.
• 37:24
  It had to be 3 or 4 days later. OK, In between the time he was
• 37:30
  down there giving the statement. What did you do Really Just did
• 37:35
  houses. Houses did.
• 37:38
  Did you go talk to the children at the schoolhouse?
• 37:41
  Do what? Did you go to the school and
• 37:45
  interview the children? Yes, I did.
• 37:48
  I did. You did that.
• 37:50
  I did that in the beginning, OK Went to the school and talked to
• 37:54
  each kid or in a group and asked them if they knew anything and
• 37:59
  kind of went over things. Yes, we did that.
• 38:03
  Uh huh. Any more contact with Harvey
• 38:06
  Templeton? No, other than the day he was
• 38:09
  arrested. I asked him a couple of
• 38:11
  questions and he said he didn't want to talk to me.
• 38:14
  OK. And that was it.
• 38:18
  OK. And that's proper, isn't it?
• 38:21
  Yeah. Did you think of any more
• 38:23
  statements that might have that he might have said no, I can't
• 38:31
  right now. Are you saying there are no more
• 38:36
  statements? No, I'm not saying that.
• 38:39
  I'm saying that the conversation that we now the the types the
• 38:46
  type statement was the one that he gave reference Tina.
• 38:51
  Now we discuss family problems a lot of other things, but any
• 38:55
  statements that were would show in any way that he was guilty of
• 38:59
  this crime charged. No any statements that would
• 39:04
  incriminate him in any way that you not no related to us other
• 39:10
  than other than just conversation about family
• 39:12
  problems. Maybe we talked about his hand
• 39:15
  getting hurt. Different things like this.
• 39:18
  OK, You know what I'm getting to.
• 39:21
  I Yes. There's no other I don't want to
• 39:26
  get. I don't want to have that big
• 39:28
  bombshell go off someday. Yeah.
• 39:32
  And there's no bombshells that you know about.
• 39:35
  None that I know of. Yes, Sir.
• 39:38
  I'm sorry. What was the color of the house?
• 39:41
  Color of the carpet in the Warner house.
• 39:44
  I think I've asked you that. I think you did and I thought it
• 39:49
  was One room had some orange, another room had maroon.
• 39:53
  There wasn't no multi colored carpet that I remember now.
• 39:58
  Someone else went out there. Whoever did the sampling would
• 40:02
  know. I didn't do the sampling.
• 40:05
  The fibers, I'm getting a little confused.
• 40:08
  The fibers that were taken from the body, did each of them have
• 40:12
  a different, I mean one? On one fiber, was there more
• 40:16
  than one color? No.
• 40:19
  OK, Well, the same colors were coming out of the Warner house
• 40:24
  that really you were looking for, right?
• 40:27
  Well, in the beginning, I believe.
• 40:30
  Now see, we didn't know and Anne had provided additional
• 40:35
  information for us as we went along.
• 40:38
  As a matter of fact, Anne had been down here.
• 40:42
  She was out there when they searched Harvey's house, wasn't
• 40:45
  she? Yes, but she wasn't there when
• 40:48
  we got the carpet samples. OK.
• 40:51
  She was there, though. Mr. Zelps, I don't believe I
• 40:55
  have any other questions. Thank you.
• 40:57
  The court? Anything else, Mr. Tannery?
• 41:00
  Yes, Your Honor. Mr. Zelps.
• 41:03
  Your Honor, may I look at the court file?
• 41:06
  Direct re examination. OK.
• 41:09
  A Laura, it's your turn to read. OK, I have really bad sensory
• 41:13
  overload today. You do?
• 41:15
  Yeah, OK. You don't have to put the
• 41:18
  headphones on or anything. Just breathe.
• 41:21
  No, you're good. There's something I need to hear
• 41:22
  on the headphones. OK, I can try.
• 41:29
  We need to clear off this damn desk girl.
• 41:31
  Well, it's not even that cluttered, it's just I need to
• 41:36
  figure out a better system. OK.
• 41:43
  Redirect examination by Mr. Tannery.
• 42:00
  OK, sorry about that. We were supposed to be streaming
• 42:05
  on TikTok but for whatever reason it's not doing it so I
• 42:11
  don't know. Joel finagled it to where we
• 42:14
  could start live streaming on TikTok.
• 42:17
  Is it our TikTok or MBRS? TikTok, it's MBRS TikTok so feel
• 42:22
  like. You guys make it confusing for
• 42:24
  people to, I don't know, there it's just on so many different.
• 42:30
  Well, it's on into the weeds and it's on MBR.
• 42:33
  That's it. It's on 2 stations so.
• 42:38
  OK, he mentioned that he had heard a left hand.
• 42:41
  What are you talking about? Well, during conversation he
• 42:45
  mentioned that he had hurt his left hand, I believe on Monday
• 42:47
  or the 29th, I forget. I believe that he said the 29th
• 42:52
  and he was off work that Monday at which would have been a day
• 42:55
  or two or three before the death of Tina Hogan.
• 42:58
  Oh. There it is.
• 43:02
  Do you have any knowledge about him having any kind of a brace
• 43:04
  on his left hand or anything like that?
• 43:06
  No, when I when I talked with him he didn't.
• 43:10
  But now if he did at that. I know it's hard to read.
• 43:17
  You sound very. I wouldn't know.
• 43:20
  Yeah. You sound very mentally
• 43:21
  challenged. I sound very mentally challenged
• 43:24
  when I read it. That's.
• 43:25
  One way to put it. Oh, my goodness.
• 43:27
  I would have said to. Really.
• 43:28
  OK. You also discussed the fact that
• 43:31
  you said he cooperated. That's up to a point, was it
• 43:33
  not? Well, yes.
• 43:36
  Now before his arrest and you got your consent for hair and so
• 43:40
  forth on the 31st, why did you have to go get a search warrant
• 43:43
  to get the hair on? Well, because he did refuse to
• 43:48
  give it to us. He said no.
• 43:49
  I said, well, we had found hair along with the fibers on her
• 43:52
  body. So I told him that we he refused
• 43:55
  to give you what? He refused to give me the hair,
• 43:59
  pubic hair, head hair. When did he do that?
• 44:02
  On the 31st, he said that we gotten on his bad side and he
• 44:05
  wasn't going to do it. So we went and we had a search
• 44:08
  warrant done. So he wasn't fully cooperative.
• 44:11
  No, he wasn't. Not like that he wasn't.
• 44:13
  He just never did fight or anything.
• 44:15
  Jump up, nothing. OK, But now did you pinpoint the
• 44:19
  time that According to him that Tina was there?
• 44:22
  Yes, he said that it was around 5:30 and he knew it to be
• 44:26
  because there was his movie on Toby Tyler spelled phonetically
• 44:31
  and it was about halfway over and it came on at 5.
• 44:34
  It's a Walt Disney show and it goes off at six.
• 44:37
  He said it was after the movie was half over, so she came.
• 44:40
  So that was after 530 Toby. Tyler I know.
• 44:43
  I'm thinking Toby. Tyler A Disney movie.
• 44:46
  Anybody seen that before? Joy, You're a resident. 1960.
• 44:54
  Hold up, Just go to plus or. That one's fine.
• 45:01
  Yeah, there we go. Oh no, I want to go on actual
• 45:05
  Google. I don't like the Bing.
• 45:08
  There we go, Toby. You're not putting it in there.
• 45:16
  I need to sue somebody I don't know who.
• 45:23
  Will be Tyler. Sorry, have one hand. 10 weeks
• 45:29
  at the circus. Staying Hold up.
• 45:31
  I have never seen that movie. I I don't want to do.
• 45:41
  That shoot, it's fine. Sorry, share screen.
• 45:45
  Sorry, all my brains not loading.
• 45:47
  I'm not working at full capacity today.
• 45:51
  But yeah, Toby Tyler. I've never seen that. 1960
• 45:55
  little orphan Toby Tyler. Kevin Corcoran runs out to join
• 46:00
  a travelling circus following a quarrel with his foster parents,
• 46:03
  Aunt Olive and Daniel, Or and Uncle Daniel Under the big top,
• 46:07
  Toby is exposed to the magical new world that includes A wacky
• 46:09
  chimpanzee named Mr. Stubbs. The boy's friendship with
• 46:13
  paternal candy seller Harry Tupper, Bob Sweeney is
• 46:17
  considerably less endearing, especially when Tupper starts
• 46:20
  showing his mean spirited true colors.
• 46:22
  I don't recognize any of those names.
• 46:23
  Has anybody seen this? I've never seen it before.
• 46:28
  Like never. I've never even seen artwork or
• 46:35
  anything. Oh, that's a little creepy.
• 46:38
  That would have scared you as a child.
• 46:41
  Oh my goodness. Well, I said it before you
• 46:44
  looked at it, I only got some candy apples.
• 46:46
  Joy said he's a young orphan who runs away to join a travelling
• 46:49
  circus where he befriends A chimpanzee named Mr. Stubbs.
• 46:55
  OK, interesting. So anyway, that was which.
• 47:03
  One hold on. I got it.
• 47:04
  I'm sorry. My bad.
• 47:05
  You're good. Oopsie, Daisy.
• 47:08
  Window. There you go.
• 47:14
  OK. Now did you pinpoint the time,
• 47:17
  According to him, that Tina was there?
• 47:18
  Yes, he said that it was. What just happened?
• 47:31
  I think a family went in her mouth.
• 47:34
  We have this one fly that's been around here for days now.
• 47:38
  It's driving me crazy and I think it just went in the Lord's
• 47:41
  mouth. I know I went in her nose.
• 47:56
  Oh my goodness, she snorted. A family?
• 48:03
  Oh, what's that song? There was an old lady who
• 48:07
  swallowed a family. What was this song was an old
• 48:12
  lady who swallowed a family. I guess she'll die.
• 48:17
  What? Oh, I can't remember what it is.
• 48:21
  Oh, about my oldies falling flies, but that's not my damn
• 48:23
  nose. Oh my God.
• 48:26
  Protein. Yes, Kathleen.
• 48:28
  Yeah, I'm already kind of not feeling today, reply OK.
• 48:36
  It's bring 6 out of nine Holy SH 06.9 out of 10.
• 48:41
  No, I told you I got. I know, but that.
• 48:45
  Sucks. She's looking at my ankle on and
• 48:51
  yeah, I got bit up by I don't even know how many freaking
• 48:57
  ticks I had on me, but my ankle alone has probably got like 50.
• 49:05
  It looks. Rough.
• 49:06
  It's really bad and it's all over it, literally from head to
• 49:11
  toe. That'll be scars too, at least a
• 49:13
  few of them. Because.
• 49:14
  Oh, I know it's bad. It's really bad.
• 49:18
  That's mad tough, man. I know, sorry, I'm definitely
• 49:22
  not going to get a massage or anything soon because that's
• 49:26
  just embarrassing to then have like tick bites all over me.
• 49:30
  I did that when we went to Eureka Springs at the Crescent
• 49:34
  Hotel. I had a massage there and I had
• 49:37
  tick bites on my back there. I thought you said that you're a
• 49:41
  massage therapist. Doesn't even lift or take off
• 49:44
  the towel. Or well she doesn't but I have
• 49:47
  tick bites everywhere where else too and she does like touch my
• 49:51
  legs and stuff like that but. Well Dang, you need to go in
• 49:54
  there soon though so I can figure out what's going on with
• 49:56
  the pole dancing. It's hard to it's hard to figure
• 49:59
  it out from the website. And they also do the aerial
• 50:03
  acrobatics. Yeah, I'd like to learn that
• 50:04
  eventually, but I'm poor. I want to focus on one thing at
• 50:07
  a time. Yeah, ticks scare the heck out
• 50:10
  of me. And maybe yesterday my husband
• 50:15
  pulled up at the same area where I got the ticks to walk the dog
• 50:19
  doing something and I was like, no, oh, OK, goat's.
• 50:21
  Doing something? Take him.
• 50:23
  The puppy is by himself because my son is at work and my husband
• 50:28
  is at a funeral. So, Flinnigan, can you just take
• 50:33
  him out please? OK.
• 50:37
  That way he doesn't pee on my floor.
• 50:39
  I'm going to put oats in the Laura's chair real quick.
• 50:44
  Oh, well, I guess not. He decided to take off.
• 50:48
  Yeah, Lyme's disease is very scary.
• 50:52
  I have Alpha Gal, a tick borne illness that makes you allergic
• 50:58
  to mammal products. So yeah, life is fun.
• 51:03
  I'm sitting here scratching my foot.
• 51:06
  It's just so bad. I need to go put some more
• 51:09
  cortisone on. OK, let's see.
• 51:14
  It's pretty bad when cortisone is my regiment instead of
• 51:19
  lotion. Now I think we're going to go
• 51:23
  for another 9 minutes and then we're going to get off because
• 51:28
  the dog is only good for so long by himself and I don't want to
• 51:34
  push it. I don't want him to eat my new
• 51:37
  couch or fairly new couch. So, OK, we're going to get back
• 51:44
  into this. I'm going to start on, well,
• 51:52
  we're just going to go to 10 now.
• 51:54
  Did you pinpoint the time that According to him that Tina was
• 51:59
  there? Yes, he said that it was around
• 52:01
  5:30. And he knew it to be that
• 52:04
  because there was this movie on Toby Tyler spelled phonetically,
• 52:08
  and it was about halfway over and it came on at 5.
• 52:12
  It's a Walt Disney show, and it goes off at six.
• 52:16
  And he said it was after the movie was half over that she
• 52:19
  came. So it was after 530.
• 52:23
  OK. And you did talk to his wife?
• 52:26
  Yes, I did. When she returned, I talked to
• 52:29
  her prior to talking to Harvey that day.
• 52:33
  The second I 3rd, I believe. Second, I was over to her house.
• 52:39
  Either that or the third I think.
• 52:41
  I don't remember the day I talked to her.
• 52:44
  Did you talk? And then?
• 52:47
  OK, Oates is going crazy, Joy says.
• 52:53
  I love dogs but wouldn't want one.
• 52:54
  Too much work. Yeah, too.
• 52:57
  Way too much work. And I told my husband this is
• 53:01
  his dog, technically, so he has to be the one in charge.
• 53:06
  And then he ends up going everywhere and leaving me in
• 53:09
  charge. Oh, well, Flynn is absolutely
• 53:12
  adorable, but he's definitely hard to manage.
• 53:18
  OK, Oh, let's get up here, sit up here and quit being a menace
• 53:24
  to society. OK.
• 53:31
  I talked to her prior to talking to Harvey that day.
• 53:34
  The second, the 3rd I believe second I was over to her house.
• 53:38
  Either that or the third I think I don't remember the day I
• 53:42
  talked to her. Did you talk and then did you
• 53:44
  talk to her about the garbage? Yes I did.
• 53:47
  She was surprised at what he did on the garbage.
• 53:51
  Yes she was. And say she ever done.
• 53:56
  She say he ever done that before.
• 53:59
  She said he hadn't ever done that as far as taking the trash
• 54:04
  away. And he had also told me that the
• 54:07
  reason he took it to the dumpster was because the dogs
• 54:10
  tore it up. So I approached her on that and
• 54:14
  said, well, wouldn't the dogs have tore the bags up if he
• 54:17
  hadn't have taken it? She says no, they didn't have
• 54:20
  any problems with the dogs. So it contradicted what he had
• 54:25
  told us. So, Mr. Tannery, that's all I
• 54:30
  have, Your Honor, the court, anything else?
• 54:34
  OK, so we're going to actually stop at the RE cross
• 54:37
  examination. I know we usually go longer, and
• 54:40
  I'm sorry guys, but until I have a actual babysitter for the dog
• 54:46
  without a Laura having to go up there and do it, we have to be a
• 54:53
  little mindful of that. I definitely don't want my couch
• 54:56
  eaten. OK, so let me take that off and
• 55:05
  let me fix that. Sorry, guys.
• 55:09
  Joel wants us to use these layovers to be more
• 55:11
  professional, so I'm trying, you know?
• 55:15
  It is what it is. Hey, Red Feather, I'm sorry
• 55:18
  you're joining us late. We're about to call it quits
• 55:22
  because my dog is was unattended.
• 55:25
  Elora had to run up there and make sure that he wasn't getting
• 55:29
  into anything or chewing my couch.
• 55:32
  But so next week we I'm not going to be here.
• 55:39
  I'm hoping Elora will want to do a live stream but I'm not going
• 55:44
  to be here because my nephew is graduating from basic training.
• 55:48
  I'm so proud of him. I did not think that he would
• 55:52
  even make it this far. So I am super, super proud of
• 55:57
  him. Phoenix, you rock.
• 55:59
  I'm proud of you. So that's where I will be.
• 56:02
  I will be at Fort Sill watching a basic training graduation,
• 56:06
  which just happens to be my hometown.
• 56:09
  So while I'm there, I will do a little bit more investigating on
• 56:13
  the lot and serial killer, Athena Hogan, Michelle Crawford
• 56:17
  and hopefully Kim Kimberly Damberville as well, which could
• 56:25
  or could not be related to the lot and serial killer.
• 56:29
  But yeah, so that's what I'm going to be doing.
• 56:32
  And just know that there is some very interesting things brewing
• 56:38
  in the background. I know next month towards the
• 56:45
  end of the month, there'll be something coming out that I
• 56:49
  participated in, not something that is my project, but
• 56:53
  something that I have participated in and a couple of
• 56:56
  other people have participated in and I'm really excited to see
• 57:01
  how that turns out. Let's see what else, What else,
• 57:07
  What else? I can't think of anything else
• 57:12
  at the moment, but please just remember that MBR exists to, to
• 57:26
  help people, to help veterans, first responders, and even
• 57:30
  active duty get out of our heads.
• 57:35
  And, and I'm just so thankful for military broadcast radio and
• 57:41
  what they've done for me. So thank you, Joel, and I hope
• 57:44
  you're having a good time right now with your granddaughter and
• 57:49
  I hope everybody has a really great week and you go out and do
• 57:53
  something good to change the world for the better.
• 57:56
  Oh, and go watch Nancy Simpson's The Toll.
• 58:00
  I've been on a few live streams with them the last few weeks, so
• 58:04
  go check that out. And on Monday I will be doing an
• 58:10
  interview with another host on MBR.
• 58:14
  She will be interviewing me so lots to come.
• 58:19
  So with all that being said, have a wonderful evening and
• 58:23
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• 58:25
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