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Kerrie Lee Brown: The Bold New Definition of Success · The Bold Lounge

• 0:07
  SPEAKER_01: Welcome to the Bold Lounge Podcast.
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  SPEAKER_01: My name is Lee Burgess and I will be your host.
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  SPEAKER_01: If you're anything like me, you love hearing inspiring stories of people who have gone on bold journeys and made a positive impact in the world.
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  SPEAKER_01: This podcast is all about those kinds of stories.
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  SPEAKER_01: Every week we'll hear from someone who has taken the leap or embarked on an extraordinary journey.
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  SPEAKER_01: In addition to hearing their stories, we'll also learn about their bold growth mindset that they use to make things happen.
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  SPEAKER_01: Whether they faced challenges or doubts along the way, they persisted and ultimately achieved their goals.
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  SPEAKER_01: These impactful stories will leave you feeling motivated and inspired to pursue your own bold journey.
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  SPEAKER_01: I believe everyone has a bold story waiting to be free.
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  SPEAKER_01: Tune in and get ready to be inspired.
• 0:59
  SPEAKER_01: Welcome to the Bold Lounge.
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  SPEAKER_01: Today we have Carrie Lee Brown.
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  SPEAKER_01: Carrie is an award-winning media executive, international journalist, and speaker with more than 30 years of experience shaping some of the world's most influential magazines and media brands.
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  SPEAKER_01: As chief content officer and editor-in-chief of Success Magazine, she has interviewed thousands of thought leaders, celebrities, entrepreneurs, and cultural icons, giving her a rare behind-the-scenes perspective on leadership, success, and personal transformation.
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  SPEAKER_01: A heart attack survivor, at age 39, Carrie combines hard-earned lessons from the boardroom with a deep commitment to heart-centered leadership, well-being, and authentic living.
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  SPEAKER_01: Today she is the founder of Red Lily Media and co-founder of Lioness Global Initiatives, where she helps amplify meaningful stories, inspire courageous reinvention, and create transformative experiences for women around the world.
• 1:53
  SPEAKER_01: Through her work, Carrie empowers audiences to redefine success, embrace change, and discover who they are beyond the titles they hold.
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  SPEAKER_01: Welcome to the bold lounge, Carrie.
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  SPEAKER_01: Thank you for having me, Lee.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm excited to talk about what bold means to you.
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  SPEAKER_01: So if you had to define it, what does it mean?
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  SPEAKER_00: I would say bold.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, it does take on a lot of different definitions, but I think if I had to kind of sum it up, it means standing up for yourself.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think that there's many, many bold moves that we make throughout our lives.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I think that they all kind of come down to one learned lesson, especially in my own life.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's really standing up for who you are amongst all the noise and being able to kind of get through the clutter and move on to the next chapter.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I think that's a real great representation of where I am right now, too.
• 2:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: So standing in your truth when you say standing up for yourself, choosing yourself potentially around what you're deciding, but saying, you know, this is the way I'm going no matter what.
• 2:49
  SPEAKER_01: That's right.
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  SPEAKER_01: When you do that and you think about times in your life that you've actually lived aligned to that definition, what's one that comes to mind for you?
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  SPEAKER_00: I would have to say one would be when my family and I decided to pick up and move into another country.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it was a bold move.
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  SPEAKER_00: That would definitely qualify.
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  SPEAKER_00: Definitely.
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  SPEAKER_00: I am Canadian.
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  SPEAKER_00: I live in obviously we live in the US now in Colorado.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I think it was because I, you know, I left my job there, my media network there to come here and start anew.
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  SPEAKER_00: And there were many reasons for that.
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  SPEAKER_00: But I think that was the boldest move I've ever made, especially with two kids in tow.
• 3:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, that was a big deal.
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  SPEAKER_01: How would you describe like what feelings come up when you're making a decision like that and making that type of move?
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  SPEAKER_01: Like what would you describe it as?
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, it's interesting because there's been other ones as well, but I think that there's always that element of risk and doubt, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: Like that self-doubt of am I doing the right thing?
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  SPEAKER_00: Is this going to be the right thing for the family, for me, for my career, for everything, my lifestyle?
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  SPEAKER_00: That's what I think about a lot is basically what is going to be the outcome, even though we can never know the outcome.
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  SPEAKER_00: But what is that risk measure, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: Like, I mean, it's always great to take risks.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I always kind of chalk it up to if, you know what, if this doesn't work out, we can always go home or we can always get a new job or whatever it is.
• 4:01
  SPEAKER_00: So I think that element of risk is something that's always on my mind.
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  SPEAKER_00: But I tend to convince myself it's probably better to take a risk and to try new things than to not and then have regrets.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: I think sometimes that's where bold gets a bad rap because I think sometimes people define it as, you know, something that's, you know, over the top or you know, loud.
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  SPEAKER_01: And actually, I believe boldness is actually extremely quiet and it usually isn't the loudest thing in the room.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's a lot of the times it's happening between our ears, I say, those bold moments, those times we're really like, I need to believe in myself.
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  SPEAKER_01: I can figure it out.
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  SPEAKER_01: I love that you bring up the word risk because inherently we think, okay, negative.
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  SPEAKER_01: But there are risk in the sense of when we assess, should I stay or should I go or should I move this forward or should I pause?
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  SPEAKER_01: Of like, what's the opposite?
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  SPEAKER_01: Like, if you stayed, what could happen?
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  SPEAKER_01: If you left, we think about usually, okay, I need to get these things in in play.
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  SPEAKER_01: When you think about a decision-making process that you have, do you look at the flip side of it too?
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  SPEAKER_01: Like if I stayed, it would, you know, this would be possible, this would possibly not be.
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  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
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  SPEAKER_00: So that idea of risk is you're taking a risk if you make the bold move, but then you're also taking a big risk not doing it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: So agreed, totally agreed.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like I'm a very heartfelt person in life and in business.
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  SPEAKER_00: And when I make these kind of decisions, that again, you never know really the true outcome of what it's going to be, good or bad.
• 5:27
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: But I think again, yeah, it's all up to your mindset.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, if you don't take that risk, or if you don't decide to do something because you're you're set in your ways, you're content, or you just feel comfortable, then you're taking a risk of not experiencing all that life has to offer and potentially all happiness and greatness that's out there.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I think again, yeah, I think a lot introvertedly.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I'm a writer, like I'm a journalist by trade.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I mean, that's really inherent in me.
• 5:52
  SPEAKER_00: I do a lot of journaling and I really digest it all and weigh the all the pros and the cons and do all my lists, and then I kind of move on from there.
• 5:58
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: I think some of the times too, when we're being bold, we get misunderstood or people don't understand us or they don't see why we're doing something, and therefore they potentially tell us certain things or give us unsolicited guidance or advice.
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  SPEAKER_01: Have you experienced that in any of the transitions you've made throughout your career and all the different uh leadership roles and even running your own company?
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  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely, a hundred percent.
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  SPEAKER_00: The thing about that, there's always gonna be everybody has an opinion, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: So whether they're, you know, um looking out for the, you know, the you know, the goodness of your life or for you and they they're your loved ones, or if they're people in your your business world, I think that everyone has an opinion about what other people do.
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  SPEAKER_00: And a lot of times if they are negative or in any way a naysayer about you taking those bold moves for yourself, I think it's one because they don't understand your decision-making process, or two, they can't see themselves doing it.
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  SPEAKER_00: So they just have to put it on you that, oh my gosh, why are you doing this?
• 6:53
  SPEAKER_00: I'll give you a perfect example.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I know it's out there now, but I, you know, I've recently resigned and I'm leaving my role as editor-in-chief of Success Magazine, which is a very valued and coveted position in the business media world.
• 7:06
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm very proud of my role there and all the change and the things I brought to the table.
• 7:10
  SPEAKER_00: But a bold move for me is staying true to my heart and my mind and my soul as to where I want to go with my personal and professional life.
• 7:18
  SPEAKER_00: And again, a lot of people going, oh my gosh, I can't believe you'd want to leave that role.
• 7:23
  SPEAKER_00: You interview celebrities, it sounds so cool.
• 7:25
  SPEAKER_00: Well, there's a lot of things that, again, with people saying that, I obviously see their take and I can understand why they say it.
• 7:31
  SPEAKER_00: But a lot of people don't understand, you know, the behind the scenes and what it takes to get where I am, what I'm doing, and all that.
• 7:37
  SPEAKER_00: And, you know, really like any role.
• 7:39
  SPEAKER_00: But, you know, if they knew and or if they were really in my shoes, they might see a little bit differently.
• 7:44
  SPEAKER_00: So being bold in your nature and as a personality, it's making those bold moves, but it's also sticking to your own gut feeling or your heart and moving forth with your bold moves and not being, you know, swayed another way because somebody else doesn't understand where you're living.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: I think it's at these times that you realize sometimes you see the fear of others coming out and maybe what their recommendations are.
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  SPEAKER_01: I think the other thing, which is just an alignment of our life as we evolve, is we don't always take everyone with us to that next level.
• 8:14
  SPEAKER_01: You know, it's not as if we want to leave people behind or we want things to change, but to evolve, things inevitably have to change on some level, right?
• 8:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and in personal and in professional, but definitely in the professional life, no matter what your business owner or, you know, work in the corporate world, you do know that, yeah, you're not gonna take everyone with you.
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  SPEAKER_00: Maybe some people will stay within your circles in the future and you'll stay in touch.
• 8:37
  SPEAKER_00: But that's also something that I'm literally working through myself right now during this new transition is who in my professional life will want to stick around if I don't have that title.
• 8:47
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
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  SPEAKER_00: And identity and title is a big thing for me right now, not only with myself and working through this as I'm going through this transition, but I talk a lot about this too in heartfelt leadership in all of my talks because it really is a big piece of us, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: Our identity.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that's the kind of thing that can set, you know, imposter syndrome in at the height of your career.
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  SPEAKER_00: But at the same time, you need to be bold to move through it.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I am a firm believer, Lee, that anyone who comes with you, and when I say comes with you, I mean stays around, is connected with you, is a supporter in the future and where you go, those are the people that you really want to be around and that matter the most anyway.
• 9:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I think it just gets exemplified, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: Like it just really is underline bolded and it's there for you to see for sure.
• 9:31
  SPEAKER_01: When you think about your title, which you you did mention, how does someone separate themselves from it?
• 9:37
  SPEAKER_01: Because I'll give you an example.
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  SPEAKER_01: One of the things that I do uh in coaching or some of my masterminds is I'll ask folks to introduce themselves, but not to say their title or where they work.
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  SPEAKER_01: And they really have to think and they need they need a moment, you know.
• 9:49
  SPEAKER_01: And I used to be the same way.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like I'm Lee, insert title, please be impressed, please know that I'm very smart, please know that I work really hard and I'm really good at my job.
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  SPEAKER_01: That was the intention, I believe, of why I did that.
• 10:01
  SPEAKER_01: Plus, it was connected directly to who I am.
• 10:04
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's what I do, it's how I work, and those types of things.
• 10:07
  SPEAKER_01: How can someone know who they are or begin to reintroduce themselves, which is what I had to really do, to know who they are now?
• 10:16
  SPEAKER_01: What are some of the things you did or are doing in this time?
• 10:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 10:21
  SPEAKER_00: And again, I've done it in my past life and I've also done it, you know, now, but it's a work in progress, I must say.
• 10:26
  SPEAKER_00: However, it really is something that really good leaders in the professional arena have to think about.
• 10:32
  SPEAKER_00: I think that it comes down to impact.
• 10:34
  SPEAKER_00: So instead of, you know, I always advise this to people as well, instead of describing what you do, it's how do you make an impact on people?
• 10:42
  SPEAKER_00: And I think I love what you said that you open up your coaching and your masterminds with because it really goes to show, you know, we really are all human at the end of the day.
• 10:51
  SPEAKER_00: A title and an or a job is a job and a title, and they will come and go.
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  SPEAKER_00: But who you are as a person and how you can make an impact on the world, that is going to stay with you forever.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that is something I truly believe in.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I'm actually going through this identity exercise myself right now.
• 11:06
  SPEAKER_00: And, you know, in my early 50s right now, and I'm doing it again.
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  SPEAKER_00: I it's like I'm starting over, even though I have all of this experience.
• 11:13
  SPEAKER_00: So, what I would say to people to answer your question is really take a really good deep dive into who you are and how you make an impact and where you want to go versus where you've been.
• 11:25
  SPEAKER_00: I think that's a big thing because, you know, I could say, and I do often say, you know, when people say, What do you do?
• 11:30
  SPEAKER_00: I say, I'm a journalist.
• 11:31
  SPEAKER_00: I don't actually even identify, I don't off the bat say my title with my job.
• 11:35
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm a journalist by trade, but I also then, you know, follow that up with, you know, I inspire people and educate people out there in the world to da-da-da.
• 11:45
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that's really an important message to give to anyone who we're working with on a professional level is to really dig deep and to figure out how you make the impact on other people.
• 11:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: So one of the things that I think I've seen a lot of challenges with is when do I make the change?
• 12:00
  SPEAKER_01: I know I'm feeling something's off or something's not aligned.
• 12:03
  SPEAKER_01: When do I make the change?
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  SPEAKER_01: And I always say, well, it's a choice and it's yours, and you're you are leading, you are the one in charge of setting that date or time.
• 12:11
  SPEAKER_01: But I do find that once you set, you know, by June, I need to determine or define or decide, you know, whatever that verb is.
• 12:19
  SPEAKER_01: But setting some place markers or milestones are really, really important because you start to begin your mindset, your brain, everything starts working towards that date and what you set out for.
• 12:29
  SPEAKER_01: But determining it can be challenging.
• 12:32
  SPEAKER_01: How did you one know that something needed to get a little bit more attention or needed more exploration or needed a change?
• 12:40
  SPEAKER_01: And then the timing of it, what was the way that you went about that?
• 12:44
  SPEAKER_01: Because I think these are two things that people are most challenged with when they know they need to transition something.
• 12:49
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 12:50
  SPEAKER_00: And I think it's a good question because it brings up a couple of memories for me as to when I started to identify when I was ready to think about my next transition.
• 13:00
  SPEAKER_00: And so these big decisions don't happen overnight.
• 13:02
  SPEAKER_00: They never do.
• 13:03
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: So last summer our company went through a big restructure, a big re-re-org, and there was a lot of change.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I was left standing out of the leadership group.
• 13:11
  SPEAKER_00: And of course, I've been leading the charge for the last year.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I think that re-org or that restructure really opened my eyes to how businesses run, you know, how employees are met with challenge and where I was going to be able to lead my team during this time as adversity and challenge.
• 13:31
  SPEAKER_00: And so I think, you know, over the last year, I've really had to dig deep in it and think about where I want to go in the future.
• 13:37
  SPEAKER_00: And if it's staying where I am and, you know, staying in a new environment with new leaders and that type of thing, then great.
• 13:43
  SPEAKER_00: If not, it's really charting that path and making a plan.
• 13:46
  SPEAKER_00: And so everyone is different.
• 13:48
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I can't say how long it takes to get there.
• 13:50
  SPEAKER_00: Of course, yeah, it's not a prescription.
• 13:52
  SPEAKER_00: It's literally, it's personal.
• 13:54
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
• 13:54
  SPEAKER_00: But for me, I'm saying probably the last year, it's been on my mind about where I want to take my career next.
• 14:00
  SPEAKER_00: And my next leg is just really building my own media empire.
• 14:04
  SPEAKER_00: I've always worked for someone for 30 years in different capacities.
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  SPEAKER_00: But now it's time to do my thing.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I think to answer your question, there is a bit of a gut feeling as well.
• 14:13
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, of course, to leave any job or any role or any partner or whatever, you do have to have certain measures in place, whether it be financial, whether it be, you know, logistical, whatever it is.
• 14:24
  SPEAKER_00: But then there's also an element, I think, of trust in yourself and knowing that inner feeling, that intuition of knowing that even if I don't have all my finances in order, I still want to take this leap.
• 14:35
  SPEAKER_00: I'm calling it that right now.
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  SPEAKER_00: This is my leap.
• 14:37
  SPEAKER_00: We'll see how this goes.
• 14:38
  SPEAKER_00: But at the very least, I know I'm gonna give myself a chance to do this and to prove it.
• 14:43
  SPEAKER_00: And, you know, worst case scenario, it doesn't work out.
• 14:46
  SPEAKER_00: I pivot again.
• 14:47
  SPEAKER_01: You learn.
• 14:48
  SPEAKER_00: You learn.
• 14:48
  SPEAKER_01: You absolutely go learn something.
• 14:50
  SPEAKER_01: I think that's the thing that I always tell folks.
• 14:52
  SPEAKER_01: I just want to guarantee, or I want you to tell me this is for sure.
• 14:55
  SPEAKER_01: And and no one can do that.
• 14:57
  SPEAKER_01: Even you know, no one could do that.
• 14:59
  SPEAKER_01: So I think, you know, one of the things I can definitely ensure is that you'll learn and you'll learn what to do, what not to do, what was unexpected.
• 15:06
  SPEAKER_01: I think that's one of the things I would always say to my teams.
• 15:08
  SPEAKER_01: I never use the word bold.
• 15:10
  SPEAKER_01: I think the only time I said bold was we're gonna take a big swing of bold here, but we're going to do it with thought, and it's pragmatic.
• 15:17
  SPEAKER_01: I think that's the other thing that I think people see.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's a misnomer about being bold, is that it's just leap and you don't even think about it.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's a very, very thoughtful process.
• 15:25
  SPEAKER_00: It is very thoughtful.
• 15:26
  SPEAKER_00: And to that point, it's very strategic, very thoughtful.
• 15:29
  SPEAKER_00: And it may not come across that way.
• 15:30
  SPEAKER_00: You're absolutely right, but I think that's the outsiders looking in.
• 15:34
  SPEAKER_00: For the person doing it, there's got to be a point where you know in your heart, but you also have thought through all of the different areas, right?
• 15:42
  SPEAKER_00: It's giving yourself permission to pivot so that you can actually lead the life that you want, or at least take strides to get there.
• 15:49
  SPEAKER_00: And if you have to pivot again in six months or a year, well, then you do it at that point.
• 15:54
  SPEAKER_00: But if you don't take that leap, you're not gonna know.
• 15:56
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah.
• 15:57
  SPEAKER_01: So exploring this kind of new space, you've talked to so many people throughout your career as a journalist and as a leader at success.
• 16:04
  SPEAKER_01: What are some of the things that come to mind for you of like, oh yeah, I remember they said X, Y, or Z, and that's something that's coming up for you right now.
• 16:11
  SPEAKER_01: Anything coming up as a like, I remember them saying that, and now I'm living it moment.
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  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I I have.
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  SPEAKER_00: I've interviewed tens of thousands of celebrities, a lot of people, leaders.
• 16:21
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I mean, it's even hard to remember all the interview.
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  SPEAKER_00: But something that does really stick out to me, and I I'm applying it to my own life right now, is so Damon John is somebody who I admire and I interviewed a year and a half ago from the Shark Tank and very intelligent man, but has, you know, helped and invested in so many different businesses.
• 16:39
  SPEAKER_00: And in his own world, of course, he's come up from regs to riches in his own life, and I've learned a lot from him, and we're still remaining friends today.
• 16:46
  SPEAKER_00: But one of the things that stuck out to me is what his advice to me was that, you know, success really is looking at your mentors and your mistakes along the way.
• 16:55
  SPEAKER_00: So again, the MM, I love alliteration, so I'm gonna lean on that.
• 16:59
  SPEAKER_00: But your mentors are those people in your life who really have not only given you advice, but really have set an example of how to get through adversity, get through challenges.
• 17:11
  SPEAKER_00: And then the mistakes, everyone makes mistakes.
• 17:13
  SPEAKER_00: There's no going about it.
• 17:15
  SPEAKER_00: Everyone, even at the top of the ranks of the food chain and the celebrity and thought leader world, but they're gonna make them and they're gonna get through them.
• 17:22
  SPEAKER_00: It's that permission to pause and to pivot once you take those deciding factors to make those next steps.
• 17:27
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, I would say, you know, looking at your mentors along the way, leaning into your networks is really important.
• 17:33
  SPEAKER_00: If people drop off from your networks during these times, it is what it is.
• 17:37
  SPEAKER_00: Those who stick around will be those ones who will be the most valuable in the long run.
• 17:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 17:42
  SPEAKER_01: So when you think about your mentors and you think about your mistakes, is there one you've learned the most from?
• 17:48
  SPEAKER_01: And you can pick either one, whether you pick from a mentor, a mistake of or a mistake you've made.
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_01: I learn I learn a lot from my mistakes.
• 17:55
  SPEAKER_01: It's how quickly I learn and reboot now that's changed.
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that's a big difference.
• 18:00
  SPEAKER_01: But do you have any that come to mind, either a mentor or a mistake that you want to share that really exemplifies that?
• 18:06
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I think I would have to pick, I have many mentors, and I remember them since my early days in journalism and my first, you know, my first real jobs in the magazine world back in my 20s.
• 18:15
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah, I would say one of my first bosses back then, I was in my early 20s, and his name is Joey.
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_00: And he to this day, I mean, we're talking 30 years later, is still in my corner.
• 18:25
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that I learned a lot from him about the entertainment industry and the media world and how to navigate that world because he gave me my first entertainment reporting job.
• 18:35
  SPEAKER_00: And we used to go to events and all this type of thing, and he really taught me the ropes of how to navigate it and how to navigate through the noise.
• 18:42
  SPEAKER_00: And I think his kindness and his mentorship back then still stays with me.
• 18:48
  SPEAKER_00: And I like to think that I'm a mentor to a lot of people that I've met along the way as well.
• 18:52
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, I would say that he sticks through me.
• 18:54
  SPEAKER_00: And every time I do an update online or or I send him a note here and there, and I see him when I go home to visit in Toronto, and he's still in my corner.
• 19:01
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that's also the true strength of a mentor, a real mentor, is going to be there years and years and years later, and they're still gonna support every step you take.
• 19:12
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, I would have to say kudos to Joey because he's still around for me.
• 19:16
  SPEAKER_01: One question I have for you is have you been turning down the volume or muting any goals that you have or things that you really want for years.
• 19:25
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I think that's the whole thing.
• 19:26
  SPEAKER_00: I'm going on to do my own business aspirations, but I've been doing those on the side for years.
• 19:31
  SPEAKER_00: So I think that I have to put those voices on hold and thank them and just say, you know what, let me do my thing.
• 19:38
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah, I think that there's um, especially females making transitions.
• 19:41
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I can even relate this to personal lives with, you know, divorce now and all those kind of things too.
• 19:46
  SPEAKER_00: You really have to just put everyone else's opinions to the side because no one's living your exact life, right?
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_00: Nobody's in the exact same shoes and time and place where you are right now, and they do not understand it to the extent that you do.
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_00: So I think you have to, you know, anybody's opinions are great, especially from great friends and colleagues.
• 20:05
  SPEAKER_00: But I think you take them with a grain of salt, you take what you can from those opinions, and then you just have to apply your own, your own experience.
• 20:11
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, lived experience is so important when making these big bold moves and transitions because sometimes you see the same patterns and then you just know, you know, that this is just the time to move on, and whatever that looks like.
• 20:24
  SPEAKER_00: But I do think that you have to put certain things aside and just really run with it.
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I know people that have whether be stay in marriages or stay in jobs for many, many years when they shouldn't have potentially.
• 20:36
  SPEAKER_00: And then they look back and are like, well, I regret certain things because I should have done that back then when I thought I should.
• 20:43
  SPEAKER_00: But I listened to other people, I went where the paycheck was or whatever, whatever they felt was security to them.
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_00: It's not always security.
• 20:50
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that's the thing too.
• 20:51
  SPEAKER_00: I came to realize is that, you know, in the corporate world, you know, you might have a great job, but nothing's secure anymore in the in this day and age.
• 20:59
  SPEAKER_00: So really, like what is the lesser of two evils?
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_00: Going out on your own and trying to make it with your knowledge and experience, or staying somewhere where change can happen in an instant anyway.
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_01: Why do you feel so often we're seeking someone's approval or for them to kind of say, yes, go, go do it?
• 21:15
  SPEAKER_00: You know what?
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_00: I think, well, women in particular, I mean, obviously, I, you know, men too, but I think women, you know, we're community-oriented, right?
• 21:22
  SPEAKER_00: We're all about connections and relationships.
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_00: And I think the reason why we probably seek people's approval is because we fear that we're gonna lose that community connection or that connection with people, and just like we touched on earlier, not only professionally, but personally.
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that's why we look for other people's, you know, yes, you should do this.
• 21:41
  SPEAKER_00: But the thing is, again, they're not in your shoes.
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_00: So they may say, yes, do this, and you take that leap, and it might not have been right for you.
• 21:47
  SPEAKER_00: But I do think, you know, especially being a heartfelt leader myself, I'm a very empathetic person and I do like, obviously, the approval of other people.
• 21:56
  SPEAKER_00: You know, one of my big missions in life, really, and always has been.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_00: But more so now, moving into this next next chapter, is supporting women in these transitions and transformations in their life in these new chapters because it really is about acceptance and also about that camaraderie.
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_00: And it may not be from the women that you currently have in your circles.
• 22:17
  SPEAKER_00: It could be from women around the world who you're not exposed to.
• 22:20
  SPEAKER_00: And that's exactly why I'm starting to bring that into my life and starting adventures because there's women around the world that we do not know going through the exact same thing that we are, who really would resonate with your decisions.
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that's one of the things that why I'm so excited about my next season, if you will, is bringing all together.
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_01: So tell us a little bit about what you are doing and where you've been able to take some of the ideas and some of the things that have been nudging at you maybe over the years and now start to see it gain traction with definition and putting it out there.
• 22:54
  SPEAKER_01: I'd love to hear more about where you're starting because I think sometimes people limit their possibilities based on their past.
• 23:01
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, well, thank you for that.
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_00: And I I love that you brought up the word alignment, like and how we need to be aligned with ourselves, right?
• 23:07
  SPEAKER_00: It's not, it's not always about the external world, which is those voices, which is those people, you know, who have opinions and those identities and titles.
• 23:16
  SPEAKER_00: So when I had my heart attack and I was 39, I ended up writing a book about my experience to help women be heart aware.
• 23:22
  SPEAKER_00: And it wasn't to scare anyone, it was really just a reflection of what I had gone through at the height of my career several years ago.
• 23:30
  SPEAKER_00: And it was always in the back of my mind that I wanted to bring the opportunity of storytelling to women around the world in some way, because we all have a story to tell.
• 23:40
  SPEAKER_00: And being a journalist and being somebody who amplifies people's voices my whole career, I knew that was something I wanted to do.
• 23:47
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't know exactly what that looked like.
• 23:48
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't know how to do it.
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't know how that was part of my purpose in the long term, but I knew it was something I wanted to do.
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_00: So instead of writing a second book back then, I ended up launching redlillylife.com, which is a storytelling publishing platform.
• 24:02
  SPEAKER_00: And it's free for anyone to submit their stories.
• 24:05
  SPEAKER_00: And it's basically a communal blog, if you will.
• 24:08
  SPEAKER_00: And I have over 1,500 women who have written on it.
• 24:10
  SPEAKER_00: And this is without me, you know, promoting it or marketing it.
• 24:13
  SPEAKER_00: It really is coming by osmosis because I believe so, so much that women need to share their stories and not only to heal themselves, but also to heal others, because when we share, then other people will hear and they can resonate.
• 24:26
  SPEAKER_00: So I started that eight years ago and it's trickling and doing its thing without me really putting a lot of emphasis on it.
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_00: But when I decided to make this next transition in my career, I knew it was calling me.
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_00: That that piece of my alignment and purpose as to where Carrie Lee wants to go to help women share their voices has kept calling me and calling me back.
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_00: So I will be doing more with my publishing platform.
• 24:49
  SPEAKER_00: But on the flip side, I ended up partnering with a friend of mine, Priya, out of Australia, and we had the same vision.
• 24:55
  SPEAKER_00: And that vision is to align women who have very similar, action-oriented, impact kind of lives, who want to come together and peer exchange in very unique and very exotic places around the world.
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_00: So I ended up starting with her, a joint venture called Lioness Global Initiatives, which is basically a travel and tourism slash mastermind kind of adventure.
• 25:19
  SPEAKER_00: It's a different kind of experience.
• 25:21
  SPEAKER_00: And we're calling it an expedition.
• 25:23
  SPEAKER_00: So again, bringing women together, these different voices from around the world means so much to me.
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_00: This time we're doing it in person.
• 25:30
  SPEAKER_00: So rather than being on a platform, I'm bringing this now, this vision of mine to life.
• 25:36
  SPEAKER_00: And that's where I'm really shaping this now.
• 25:38
  SPEAKER_00: Our first adventure, of course, is this September in South India.
• 25:42
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm so excited about it.
• 25:44
  SPEAKER_00: We're taking a very small, curated, selected, like-minded group of women, application only.
• 25:49
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm really excited because this is going to be the first time that I can bring women around the world together to share our voices and to really have that experiential side of our adventure.
• 26:01
  SPEAKER_00: And so back to my whole purpose, I know it's going to be inspiring and educating women to come together, no matter what that looks like, in person or online, and being able to share those experiences with one another.
• 26:13
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that's the way that we're going to make differences in the world.
• 26:16
  SPEAKER_00: And also a part of it, too, is also supporting female-led businesses.
• 26:20
  SPEAKER_00: So when we dive into these different unique places around the world, because we'll be doing different places every year, we're going to be supporting the culture, the local culture, and women-led businesses locally, going to visit them, supporting them, being there, immersing ourselves.
• 26:34
  SPEAKER_00: And that to me is that philanthropy side that I've always wanted in my life as well.
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_00: So again, just bringing everything full circle to my vision of alignment with women and women like who really are making an impact around the world.
• 26:48
  SPEAKER_01: In all of your work and the work that you're doing with Lioness, what do you think are some of the common themes we have with other women around the world, no matter what we do, what our title is, or where we've been?
• 26:58
  SPEAKER_01: Do you do you have some that you have off the top of your head?
• 27:01
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of common themes.
• 27:03
  SPEAKER_00: I think that women, especially high-impact women, whether it be in business, I think that we feel like we're misunderstood.
• 27:10
  SPEAKER_00: I think a lot in our business daily lives.
• 27:13
  SPEAKER_00: I think that as leaders, there's this like sense of we want to be empathetic, compassionate, and heartfelt with our teams, but then we can't always be friends with them as well.
• 27:23
  SPEAKER_00: There's a fine line.
• 27:24
  SPEAKER_00: So I think those kind of connections that I'm building with Lioness with Priya is that these are going to be women who can be themselves.
• 27:31
  SPEAKER_00: They can let loose with regard to who they're around.
• 27:35
  SPEAKER_00: Because it is hard to find women like us that can really resonate with our experiences when you get to a certain level.
• 27:40
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that's really important.
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_00: So I mean, again, the connective tissue between these women will be so powerful.
• 27:47
  SPEAKER_00: And I love what you said about success because it is something I also think about.
• 27:50
  SPEAKER_00: And, you know, I'm the editor in chief and chief content officer at Success Magazine.
• 27:55
  SPEAKER_00: And one of our biggest questions I ask every interviewee is what is your definition of success?
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_00: It makes sense.
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_00: And yeah, it comes full circle.
• 28:03
  SPEAKER_00: Me working at success has actually brought to light what my definition of success is in my own life.
• 28:10
  SPEAKER_00: So instead of, you know, I've gotten all this advice from all these amazing people around the world on what their definition is, but it really has given me the tools to really understand what I feel mine is.
• 28:21
  SPEAKER_00: And my definition of success is actually it's a feeling.
• 28:25
  SPEAKER_00: It's that connective tissue with people, places, and things that I want to be around.
• 28:30
  SPEAKER_00: That is what my definition is.
• 28:32
  SPEAKER_00: It's not about money.
• 28:33
  SPEAKER_00: A lot of people will say, well, once I make the millions of billions, that's that's success.
• 28:36
  SPEAKER_00: Well, it is on paper, but are you really, really fulfilled?
• 28:39
  SPEAKER_00: Are you really happy and have you found your joy, like you said?
• 28:42
  SPEAKER_00: So I think that, you know, these women and the women that I want to be around moving forward are really going to be those who are down to earth and have integrity with what they're doing in their lives and who feel like they can be around women who are doing and feeling the same way.
• 28:57
  SPEAKER_00: I think it really is just about living our life.
• 29:00
  SPEAKER_01: And I think the biggest thing that I've realized between 48 and 54 is that it's not about the finish line.
• 29:08
  SPEAKER_01: It is just as it used to be in corporate, like it was the next role, the next promotion, the next raise.
• 29:13
  SPEAKER_01: Like it was about that.
• 29:14
  SPEAKER_01: Honestly, like that's what drove me.
• 29:16
  SPEAKER_01: I was ambitious.
• 29:17
  SPEAKER_01: I continue to be, but I think my ambition more is inward than outward.
• 29:21
  SPEAKER_00: I love that.
• 29:22
  SPEAKER_00: I feel the same way.
• 29:23
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I'm very much like you throughout my 20s, 30s, 40s.
• 29:26
  SPEAKER_00: It was always about go.
• 29:27
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_00: Go, go, go.
• 29:29
  SPEAKER_00: Next promotion, what magazine, what it was always something, and especially having a role in media more in the public eye, it's always about that next thing.
• 29:37
  SPEAKER_00: And how can I this?
• 29:38
  SPEAKER_00: How can I this?
• 29:39
  SPEAKER_00: And actually, now that I think about it, you were talking about that kind of superficiality and that in ambition and in goals online now.
• 29:46
  SPEAKER_01: Visibility, yeah.
• 29:46
  SPEAKER_01: I don't want to be misunderstood.
• 29:48
  SPEAKER_01: Visibility is really good.
• 29:49
  SPEAKER_01: I I do think we need that, but then visibility for visibility's sake is just that's what I talk about.
• 29:55
  SPEAKER_01: Like it's just not, it's not helpful for anyone, even the person doing it, most likely.
• 29:59
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and I think that's a thing, and I talk about this a lot actually.
• 30:01
  SPEAKER_00: I get asked a lot about one of my talks and you know, my keynotes and what I do workshops on everything and everything is is really about how to attract the media and how to get you know visibility for your business and as entrepreneurs.
• 30:12
  SPEAKER_00: And one of the things I always talk about is that like, you know, there is a fine line between what you share and what you don't share.
• 30:18
  SPEAKER_00: And really it's an individual choice.
• 30:20
  SPEAKER_00: There are some people's businesses and brands, especially if they're a coach and they want to resonate with their client, depending on who their client is, they want to share, you know, that they have a toothache.
• 30:29
  SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
• 30:29
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 30:30
  SPEAKER_00: Because that's part of what their whole ecosystem is is a part of.
• 30:35
  SPEAKER_00: But there's other brands and businesses you would never know that someone had a toothache.
• 30:38
  SPEAKER_00: So it's kind of it really depends.
• 30:40
  SPEAKER_00: And I always say that because I'm a bit of an open book because I'm a heartfelt leader who had a heart attack, and I want to talk about what else led up to that because people can resonate with the stresses in life.
• 30:51
  SPEAKER_00: But then there's other people that are like, no, this is just more what I represent.
• 30:55
  SPEAKER_00: So again, it's all individual, but I agree with you.
• 30:57
  SPEAKER_00: There's a lot of noise out there.
• 30:58
  SPEAKER_00: I do believe that we have to take, you know, social and everything with a grain of salt.
• 31:02
  SPEAKER_00: And it is going, you know, that's the thing.
• 31:04
  SPEAKER_00: I agree with you.
• 31:05
  SPEAKER_00: There's certain people and you know, brands that are going a certain way and they are a certain way because that's what they're known for.
• 31:12
  SPEAKER_00: It doesn't mean that we have to keep up with the Joneses.
• 31:15
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I think that's the pressure we all put on ourselves still.
• 31:18
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 31:18
  SPEAKER_00: And I think we have to just inward and realize when I was growing up, it was all about who's your competitor.
• 31:23
  SPEAKER_00: Like who are you competing against?
• 31:25
  SPEAKER_00: You know, what brand, what business, what journalist, what magazine, what who's your competitors?
• 31:29
  SPEAKER_00: We do SWOT analysis, right?
• 31:31
  SPEAKER_00: In my opinion, nowadays we're competing with ourselves as individuals, as entrepreneurs, as solopreneurs, as business leaders, we're competing with ourselves.
• 31:40
  SPEAKER_00: We need to be the best version of who we are as a leader, as a business owner.
• 31:45
  SPEAKER_00: You can only control that.
• 31:47
  SPEAKER_00: So if you start looking at all your competitors, you are going to get inundated with negativity and self-talk and everything, and you're not going to get to where you need to go.
• 31:54
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 31:54
  SPEAKER_00: And believe me, and this is a good, good learning point from interviewing all those celebrities and those big business leaders, they have self-doubt too.
• 32:01
  SPEAKER_00: So can you imagine at that millionaire billionaire status, if they were to have self-doubt because they were looking at their competitors thinking, oh gosh, oh gosh, they would be where they are.
• 32:10
  SPEAKER_00: You have to overlook that.
• 32:12
  SPEAKER_00: Your biggest competitor is your own self and where you can go.
• 32:14
  SPEAKER_00: That's my biggest advice on that.
• 32:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, run your race.
• 32:18
  SPEAKER_01: That's right.
• 32:18
  SPEAKER_01: When you think about a track like in the different lanes, stay in your lane, run your race.
• 32:23
  SPEAKER_01: And just like, you know, potentially even a horse on a track has the blinders of like just stay straight ahead, move forward, you know.
• 32:30
  SPEAKER_01: You will have a step back here or there for sure.
• 32:32
  SPEAKER_01: It just doesn't go all forward, at least in my life, it hasn't, but you're going to learn from it.
• 32:37
  SPEAKER_01: And I think another realization, and I'm wondering if you can feel the same or if you've had the same aha, is you know, thinking it was the finish line, but it's actually about right now, how you're dealing with challenges, how you're dealing with things that come up, how you deal with opportunity too.
• 32:52
  SPEAKER_01: I think, you know, sometimes we have a lot of abundance and great opportunities, and we can get burnt out just from good stuff, too.
• 32:59
  SPEAKER_00: And the way that I'm dealing with it right now, and I know it sounds cliche, but I'm telling you, I'm learning to say no again.
• 33:06
  SPEAKER_00: I have a whole chapter in my first book called My Heart Myself, and it goes over all these different things.
• 33:11
  SPEAKER_00: But learning to say no, even to good opportunities, even to great ones, will set you up for success down the road, I believe.
• 33:18
  SPEAKER_00: Those opportunities will come back maybe tenfold down the road, even better.
• 33:22
  SPEAKER_00: But I have recently, with the news of me leaving success, with the news of me wanting to partner and collaborate with, you know, with people who have amazing things on their docket, I have actually said no to a lot of great opportunities because one, I don't want to be overworked right now.
• 33:36
  SPEAKER_00: I'm trying to set myself up and strategically plan my next steps.
• 33:40
  SPEAKER_00: But two, maybe it's just not right now.
• 33:43
  SPEAKER_00: It could be in a year, six months from now that I recalibrate with these people.
• 33:47
  SPEAKER_00: But learning to say no, I think is something that we need to take with us our whole lives, you know, our whole lives in business and in our personal.
• 33:54
  SPEAKER_00: You need to because you have to think about your own mental health, your own physical health, and of course your own plan.
• 34:00
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 34:00
  SPEAKER_00: And that will change.
• 34:01
  SPEAKER_00: But that no word, it's a full sentence in my eyes, it really will speak volumes down the road because I've taken on, I'm a people pleaser by heart, and I really am in in life.
• 34:11
  SPEAKER_00: And I've learned to have to say no, and I have lately too to many different things that have come my way lately.
• 34:16
  SPEAKER_01: You have to actually be happy first.
• 34:18
  SPEAKER_00: You have to, and it's part of my whole story about my heart issue.
• 34:21
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 34:22
  SPEAKER_00: That if you are not healthy, you know, physically, mentally, emotionally, spiritually, then how can you be there for your children, your families, your loved ones, your even your work, your boss?
• 34:32
  SPEAKER_00: How can you be there it to your full capacity if you're not healthy yourself?
• 34:37
  SPEAKER_00: And healthy again means many different things.
• 34:39
  SPEAKER_00: And I totally agree with you.
• 34:40
  SPEAKER_00: And my first book, like I said, is 10 steps to slow down.
• 34:43
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, that's the that's the tagline.
• 34:45
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, that's really what it is, because you have to take a good look at your own life, and you're the only one who lives your life.
• 34:49
  SPEAKER_00: You're the only one who can deal with yourself.
• 34:51
  SPEAKER_00: And so, really, you have to take accountability for your own actions, and that includes yourself in your own livelihood, right?
• 34:59
  SPEAKER_01: What you say yes and what you say no to, right?
• 35:01
  SPEAKER_01: There's a cost of some sort.
• 35:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so your book, My Heart, uh, Myself, is definitely something folks should check out.
• 35:08
  SPEAKER_01: From all of your experience, and as we close out, and someone thinking about lots of things from our conversation today, if they're feeling like there are some signs of depletion or not taking care of themselves, or you know, that's one of the things I do in our network is I put out in January the list of appointments and things we need to do for ourselves before, you know, like make sure you do these things.
• 35:28
  SPEAKER_01: You know, if they're feeling that depletion or something's got a give moment, what do you think they should do next?
• 35:35
  SPEAKER_00: Because I've been there.
• 35:36
  SPEAKER_00: I've been at that depleted moment for sure.
• 35:38
  SPEAKER_00: I think that you know what, it's I know again it sounds cliche, but it isn't.
• 35:42
  SPEAKER_00: It's really take a deep breath and like just close your laptop, turn off it, like do whatever you have to do.
• 35:47
  SPEAKER_00: It could even take a couple of days to really just say, you know what, I'm gonna tune out all the noise, I'm gonna tune out everything.
• 35:53
  SPEAKER_00: I'm going to sit down with a blank piece of paper.
• 35:55
  SPEAKER_00: Again, I'm a writer, so I'm very big about putting music on paper because it really does validate and solidify what you want to do.
• 36:04
  SPEAKER_00: It's like real, you know.
• 36:06
  SPEAKER_00: And I think if you journal about where you want to go, where do you see yourself again in five, 10 years, whatever, if those jobs, if those people, if those relationships are not in your ideal life down the road where you find joy, I would say that's where you need to start.
• 36:22
  SPEAKER_00: And then you have to go backwards and say, okay, well, how can I get there?
• 36:25
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that's what I've had to do because otherwise you do get depleted and you know your mind can play tricks on your young you, right?
• 36:32
  SPEAKER_00: Like, oh, I'm just having a stressful day.
• 36:34
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not gonna worry about my heart palpitations, or it was just a bad meeting, we're stressed, next week will be better.
• 36:40
  SPEAKER_00: Well, let's just take points from that.
• 36:42
  SPEAKER_00: And like if it doesn't get better, then maybe there's a sure sign that something needs to change.
• 36:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 36:47
  SPEAKER_00: And to recalibrate your own goals.
• 36:50
  SPEAKER_00: And it doesn't have to be just the beginning of the year.
• 36:52
  SPEAKER_00: I'm talking daily.
• 36:53
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, things change on on why not?
• 36:55
  SPEAKER_00: And that's exactly what I'm doing lately in my own life.
• 36:58
  SPEAKER_00: That's why this conversation is so timely because I am doing it, I've been through it before.
• 37:04
  SPEAKER_00: You're living it now.
• 37:05
  SPEAKER_00: I'm living it, and I'm hopefully gonna inspire others to do the same if it's works for them.
• 37:10
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that's the best advice I can give, really, is just stay in your lane, like you said, and you know, keep those blinders on as much as you can because you are at the end of the day your own responsibility.
• 37:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 37:22
  SPEAKER_01: And I think the only thing I'll add to that is you don't have to define a hundred steps, just the first step, right?
• 37:28
  SPEAKER_01: You know, maybe the first step is I need to figure out on my calendar who I'm taking a day off so I can actually reboot, renew, or at least have a little less noise so I can think.
• 37:36
  SPEAKER_01: And then maybe I find out I need a month or whatever it may be, but just the first step.
• 37:40
  SPEAKER_01: That's all you gotta do.
• 37:41
  SPEAKER_01: So I appreciate you sharing your bold journey, your vulnerability, and being able to share with us all the new things that you're doing with Lioness and beyond.
• 37:50
  SPEAKER_01: So learn more about Carrie below and all the information about her, her website, Lioness, the incredible trip to India that's coming up if you'd like to apply, as well as her first book and the things that she learned about, you know, being true to yourself and choosing yourself, and that that is not a selfish thing to do.
• 38:06
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you so much.
• 38:08
  SPEAKER_00: I appreciate it.
• 38:08
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you so much for having me.
• 38:12
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you for listening to the Bold Lounge podcast.
• 38:15
  SPEAKER_01: Through the continuum of bold stories, vulnerability to taking a leap, you will meet more extraordinary people making a positive impact for others through their unique and important story.
• 38:25
  SPEAKER_01: By highlighting these stories, we hope to inspire others and share the journey of those with a bold mindset.
• 38:30
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