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- 0:05Mathematical models for better food crops.
- 0:08Welcome to Mark and Pete. Do you want drought proof wheat?
- 0:13Do you desire disease resistant rice?
- 0:15Well maybe you can have it. Welcome to Mark and Pete, 2
- 0:19blokes with half an opinion. Now here's our first thought.
- 0:24The roots of a mathematical world.
- 0:27What is the square root of a tomato?
- 0:29Should it be calculated with every grain?
- 0:32What factors make the power of a potato, and is it something
- 0:36which you can train? What is the logarithm of a leak?
- 0:40Is it something that's easy to explain?
- 0:43If you know the calculus of a cucumber, the probability is
- 0:47you've a vegetable for a brain. Yes.
- 0:50Well, the fact is, is that there may be so mathematics, it's
- 0:54something that some people find difficult.
- 0:57Well, not so the researchers that are happening now where
- 1:01mathematical models are being identified to be able to create
- 1:06genetic material that can improve the food crops
- 1:09resilience to climate change. Yes, this is the idea that
- 1:13mathematical models can impact areas such as dry pest and
- 1:17disease. Mr. Pete Well, I know that
- 1:20you're reasonably good at mathematics and you've certainly
- 1:23taught that in in lessons at school.
- 1:25But let me ask you, this certainly is a great advancement
- 1:29for science. Yes, Mr. Mark, The thing is we
- 1:34well, let me just quote the Bible straight to the outset.
- 1:36Genesis 2, verse 15. The Lord God took man and put
- 1:40him in the Garden of Eden to work it and keep it.
- 1:43There's a biblical mandate for us to farm well and to produce
- 1:49good crops. There are ethical concerns that
- 1:53it says it is said over, not over, using maths to look at the
- 2:00genome. Genome being the all the genetic
- 2:03material that defines what the particular Organism is like.
- 2:07It's not that we use mathematics to define it, it's that we then
- 2:12manipulate it, changing God's design.
- 2:15People would say yes. However, I, the reason that I
- 2:18don't have a problem with it, even as a Christian, is this we
- 2:22do, we're doing, we've been doing that all the time for many
- 2:24years without this sort of moral outrage by selective reading.
- 2:30It's the same thing happening. It's just that it's happening in
- 2:34a different way. And, and, and at a more extreme,
- 2:39you could, you could do something more extreme, but what
- 2:41you could do actually is something more precise and
- 2:44targeted. And that's why it's a good thing
- 2:46that math, if you've got a mathematical model of the genome
- 2:50which is going to show add this particular alteration in in the
- 2:54genome is going to produce more resistance to, for example,
- 3:00flooding. Now, if you believe you've got a
- 3:03good reason to believe there is going to be more flooding in the
- 3:06future and certain climate change models do indicate this,
- 3:10then you'll want that put in place, won't you?
- 3:13So I think it's this is one of those, I suppose increasingly
- 3:17few occasions here on Mark and Peter or any media when what
- 3:21we've got is really a good news story.
- 3:24Yes, and remarkably now. There was a recent workshop that
- 3:28took place in Morocco. Leading mathematicians and crop
- 3:31scientists all met together to discuss that applied mathematics
- 3:35could be used to speed up the research through agricultural
- 3:38gene banks for climate change resistance traits.
- 3:41And this is something which is, as you say, is an incredibly
- 3:45good news story as we know that there are many parts of the
- 3:48world that are suffering from dry areas.
- 3:51Maybe there's the persistent water scarcity and those dry out
- 3:56areas could need as much science as possible to rectify this
- 4:00problem. What I would say with this is
- 4:04that to me, I, I just wonder why it's taken so long to get to the
- 4:09stage. And I think it's really more
- 4:11about the fact that more and more regions throughout the
- 4:14world are suffering from droughts or whether they are
- 4:18suffering from pests and diseases.
- 4:21So I think that what we can also say is, and this is not to skew
- 4:24the conversation, but artificial intelligence is making a big
- 4:28difference here because it can accelerate the process of
- 4:31mathematical models. And this is where I think the
- 4:34combination between the practical, that's the those who
- 4:37are basically farmers out in the land, working the land, who
- 4:41bring their knowledge and mathematicians who could bring
- 4:43their models and their learnings together, but also technology
- 4:47can come together. And I think that this is a good
- 4:50thing. And now I'm not saying, and of
- 4:51course we're definitely not saying that we're going to see
- 4:54the, the eradication of famine around the world or drought,
- 4:58etcetera, but this is a good measure.
- 5:00So, so Mr. Pete I I ask him, you know, when, when you think about
- 5:03the world around us, this could be a good example of a positive
- 5:09story for the 21st century where really many people are sort of
- 5:12seeing conflict. On the plate, yeah, they, they
- 5:17do see that. And people, it's almost as
- 5:20though when you get a scientific advance, you know, it's what
- 5:25what is the phrase looking the gift horse in the mouth?
- 5:27You look at it. No, we don't want that.
- 5:29There's always seem to come up with the reasons to be very
- 5:32creative in coming coming up with the reasons why it's not
- 5:35good news. Now there are there have been
- 5:38problems with manipulating genetically that crops and you
- 5:44can come become a cropper, as you might say, if you if you do
- 5:47that, because you can end up with with crops that are maybe
- 5:53growing out or maybe doing something strange that you that
- 5:57you don't realise. I mean that you don't realise
- 5:59because you haven't tried it out.
- 6:00But what if you do try it out? You know, what if you actually
- 6:04do scientifically tested and then it's released out into the
- 6:08farms across the world, which I think is what's been planned to
- 6:12do. You know, I think people are
- 6:13putting putting boundaries in the way when using these sort of
- 6:18mathematical models can simply help you to identify how to
- 6:22produce better crops. I know it's genetically
- 6:24modified, but genetically modified just is a scary
- 6:28sounding phrase. I don't think that it's a scary
- 6:32especially you've done, you know, with safeguards in place.
- 6:34Like I just said, testing first. As it sounds, it's in another
- 6:39field of science. The word radioactivity is seen
- 6:43as dangerous, whereas famously bananas have a lot of have
- 6:48radioactivity in them and yet people eat them all the time.
- 6:53And so, you know, they, they, you could, you could actually
- 6:56check where your bananas were, are with a Geiger counter.
- 7:00And yet people delete them. So I think that that it's, it's
- 7:04forced to say that this is just scary.
- 7:06This is actually, as you say, a good news story.
- 7:09And because you can have a mathematical model predicting
- 7:13what's going to happen. Here's what's going to happen if
- 7:15you change the genome. Here's the good thing about it.
- 7:17It give, it means that you can look for different things to
- 7:20change depending on the environment.
- 7:22It's flexibility and it may be that you get more drought
- 7:25because things get too hot. It may be that you get more
- 7:29flooding because of the changes in the weather, because of
- 7:33climate change. You're getting flash floods from
- 7:36the from the from the rain. But it may be that in fact, it
- 7:40gets too cold and you need your crops to be resistant to cold.
- 7:45Just remembering that a lot of our listeners, we will be
- 7:50sceptical about the fact that we're going to continue having a
- 7:53warming globe. Well, whatever, whatever it's
- 7:56calling, that's going to cause big problems unless you have in
- 8:01place a way to change the resistance of your crops.
- 8:05Of course there'll be a limit to it, but at least you've got some
- 8:08way of keeping the the level of access to food available for
- 8:13longer. So All in all, it is a good news
- 8:15story. Let's not just throw it away.
- 8:18Let's let's promote it and ask Christians, should we should be
- 8:21all the more in favour of this? Well indeed, and in fact, well
- 8:24this is really a big lesson for everyone.
- 8:26It doesn't matter whether you're at school, whether you're in
- 8:28business, etcetera. Maths really makes a difference
- 8:31doesn't it? And so too does science.
- 8:34In fact, the University of Aston, Aston University, and
- 8:37you'll be familiar with that. Mister Pete basically has said
- 8:41that people who struggle with maths obviously have to think of
- 8:44it in a different way. There's often a fear of mass.
- 8:47Bad experiences with mass can lead to the brain associating
- 8:50mass with pain. So the regions of the brain
- 8:53associated with pain processing can be activated when thinking
- 8:56about mass. Now, this thinking only occurs
- 9:00when thinking about mass because it doesn't occur when the brain
- 9:02is actually doing mass. So the point being here is, is
- 9:06that this is a great thing start to use mathematics in a positive
- 9:09way. And Mr. Pete, I know that you
- 9:11would encourage that to to people who are going in
- 9:14education and also in business and and many other places.
- 9:18But really as far as I'm concerned, when we look at
- 9:22mathematics overall, this is really the route to all
- 9:26productivity. And let's call out to all those
- 9:29scientists, because at the end of the day, they are the cream
- 9:32of the crop.