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Red and Blue: Jarom Jordan on the Brian Santiago rumors, Kalani Sitake frustration over lack of financial resources + more · The Sean O'Connell Show

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Speaker 1: O'Connell Show. Jerem Jordan, Welcome back, our beloved by you insider.
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Speaker 1: How are you, sir?
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Speaker 2: What up? How are we doing? We enter our way
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Speaker 2: closer to football. Let's go baby close.
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Speaker 1: Eighteen days away from week zero, twenty three days away
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Speaker 1: from a Thursday night game for the University of Utah,
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Speaker 1: twenty five days away. I suppose that makes it for
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Speaker 1: the Brigham Young University Cougars who got kind of a
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Speaker 1: weird distraction. As far as headlines over the weekend, I
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Speaker 1: don't know where it came from. I don't know if
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Speaker 1: you do know where it came from. But Brian Santiago
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Speaker 1: rumors stirred up over the weekend, and as far as
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Speaker 1: I could tell from my limited research, I don't know
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Speaker 1: if there's any meat on the bone here. But what
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Speaker 1: was your reaction when you saw the Brian Santiago rumors?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of conversation, a lot of rumors, and
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Speaker 2: for the first time in history, the BUA Athletic Department
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Speaker 2: posted on cougar board officially shutting that down, saying, hey,
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Speaker 2: I'm with him. He's the ad at BYU. He was
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Speaker 2: at the exhibition game for women soccer Saturday night. She
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Speaker 2: and reefed there at four kenth to president and the
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Speaker 2: vice for the Obra Athletics. So John John posted there,
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Speaker 2: and you know they tried to meet everyone where they were,
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Speaker 2: which is on cougar board, I guess. So, yeah, I
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Speaker 2: saw Brian Santiago football practice yesterday, and so it seems
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Speaker 2: like full steam ahead with Mark Hill coming over from Kentucky,
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Speaker 2: which is I think a great hire. A guy that
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Speaker 2: you know was in the mix for the ad job.
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Speaker 2: Nice to get your one end, maybe your number two Canada.
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Speaker 2: I don't know if he was number two, but he
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Speaker 2: was in the mix. A lot of experience in the
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Speaker 2: SEC and at Kentucky, and so another BYU win with Kentucky,
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Speaker 2: you know, in recruiting of sorts, which is always good.
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Speaker 1: Uh. Do you think we see the athletic Department, the
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Speaker 1: university itself, any like official BYU capacities continuing to post
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Speaker 1: on cougar Board fan message boards, whether it's Cougar Board
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Speaker 1: or anything associated with the U or anything associated with
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Speaker 1: any t They are dicey places, and so I understand
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Speaker 1: why a lot of times, you know, university official accounts
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Speaker 1: or individuals with obvious ties directly to the university or
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Speaker 1: to an athletic department often steer clear of such things.
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Speaker 1: And like you said, that precedent was broken at b
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Speaker 1: YU over the weekend. Do you think that that'll be
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Speaker 1: a one time thing.
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Speaker 2: I'm thinking probably, but maybe it's kind of Hey, when
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Speaker 2: when merited this happens, I'm not sure what kind of
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Speaker 2: precedents the sets and not. It was certainly unprecedented, and
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Speaker 2: you know, Tyson Hutchins, one of the guys I really
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Speaker 2: like in athletics associate ad. He said, Hey, we went
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Speaker 2: where the people are and we're adjusting to kind of
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Speaker 2: modern don't need a formal press release. It's very antiquated,
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Speaker 2: he said. So they chose that option, and so it
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Speaker 2: certainly was unique, got some attention, but it seems like
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Speaker 2: full steam ahead and back to what you were saying
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Speaker 2: kind of in terms of distract, I think during fall camp,
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Speaker 2: you know it could be, but the players and coaches
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Speaker 2: I've talked to literally a few of them were like, so,
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Speaker 2: what's going on? Like they don't know, Like even though
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Speaker 2: it's the third floor of the Student Athlete building down
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Speaker 2: on the second floor, they're in the weight room on
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Speaker 2: the first floor out in the fifth you know, they're
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Speaker 2: literally just about that grind right now. And so it's
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Speaker 2: unlike the Big twelve championship week where Colonie and Penn
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Speaker 2: State nearly happened. That was a massive distraction that crippled BYU.
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Speaker 2: I think emotionally a little bit. I thought it'd be
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Speaker 2: a rallying point, perhaps the opposite. Although text tech was good,
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Speaker 2: you tip the cat, but that didn't help it really didn't.
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Speaker 2: It was great to retain colony, but it was a distraction.
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Speaker 2: I don't think this is a distraction in the same
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Speaker 2: way at all.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess I should be clear. I think it
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Speaker 1: was a distraction for fans, like because I don't think players,
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Speaker 1: like you said, they're not on the internet right now
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Speaker 1: right like you are.
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Speaker 2: Just they are dialed in and busy. You are.
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Speaker 1: You are living in your playbook. You are trying to
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Speaker 1: get as much sleep as you can. When you're not sleeping,
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Speaker 1: you're trying to eat. I don't think that players. And
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Speaker 1: I also don't think and respect to all the athletic
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Speaker 1: directors out there, right, I just don't think that most
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Speaker 1: players give a you know what, who the athletic director
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Speaker 1: is at their school, right it unless you are.
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Speaker 2: A position, their coordinator, their head coach, Like yeah, if
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Speaker 2: there's a couple of people that they really care about.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just you know, like the big picture stuff. Obviously,
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Speaker 1: having a great athletic director is awesome, and maybe maybe
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Speaker 1: you know, maybe Brian Santiago has good relationships with certain
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Speaker 1: players and so they would be bumped. But if just
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Speaker 1: the rank and file player in a football program, who
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Speaker 1: your athletic director. Is is like twelve layers removed from
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Speaker 1: anything that's relevant to your daily life. So I don't
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Speaker 1: think that it would be something that really Maybe it
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Speaker 1: distracts Kolani for five seconds, but again, he's got a
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Speaker 1: lot to worry about. And I want to jump to
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Speaker 1: a conversation that was recorded and we saw shout out
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Speaker 1: to our guy Ben Krittle, and I saw you commenting
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Speaker 1: on this as well. Uh Kalani Satake was I won't
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Speaker 1: say uncommonly transparent, because he's very transparent type of guy,
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Speaker 1: but I think there's certain subject matter that he prefers
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Speaker 1: to take a more like diplomatic approach on and and
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Speaker 1: likes to you know, hey, that's a little bit above
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Speaker 1: my pay grade kind of a situation. But he the
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Speaker 1: conversation with Ben Crittle, he talked about resources, and he
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Speaker 1: talked about shortcomings and resources, and he talked about the
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Speaker 1: need for support on levels that I think football coaches
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Speaker 1: wish they didn't have to talk about this stuff and
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Speaker 1: think about this stuff, but he took the time and
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Speaker 1: he talked about it, and I wanted, you know, you
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Speaker 1: to elucidate your thoughts on the matter and what it
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Speaker 1: might mean for Kilani for BYU and really for college
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Speaker 1: football large because I could tell you as someone with
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Speaker 1: a more crimson colored viewpoint, watching Kalani say some of
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Speaker 1: these things, I'm like, well, geez, how bad is it
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Speaker 1: if he it is not perfect at BYU, how bad
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Speaker 1: is it elsewhere? You know?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he wants to win, and he wants to do
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Speaker 2: it at the y U A And I believe that
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Speaker 2: for a long time BYU has done what he said.
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Speaker 2: He said, we're doing more with less. We're asked to
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Speaker 2: do the most with less. And is vy in the
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Speaker 2: lower echelon of Revshareen and Ion? Actually no, But what
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Speaker 2: is he comparing He's comparing among the Big twelve, he said,
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Speaker 2: not Texas tex He wants to be in the opp
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Speaker 2: for echelant in the league. And what he said he's
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Speaker 2: been privy to is numbers in the Penn State situation.
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Speaker 2: After twenty twenty and twenty one, Oregon in Washington came knocking,
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Speaker 2: I believe the other big time schools will come knocking
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Speaker 2: after this season. For Klannie, he's a hot kmmdity. Kevin
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Speaker 2: Young gets NBA interest every year. Buy has two guys
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Speaker 2: at the high profile coaching spot, so that will be
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Speaker 2: courted every year. This is this is what you want.
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Speaker 2: You want great coaches that are courted. And so because
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Speaker 2: he's had access to this information, he's saying to be
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Speaker 2: at that level, we've got to get to a high
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Speaker 2: level with resources. And so certainly it seemed like to
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Speaker 2: me there was some frustration there that he doesn't commonly
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Speaker 2: sort of show in those situations. But I also think
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Speaker 2: he feels like, listen, I've seen I've been privy to
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Speaker 2: this stuff. Now I almost went to Penn State like
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Speaker 2: I came back. He loves BYU, he said he's previously
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Speaker 2: he's wanted to be the Polynesian label. I think he's
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Speaker 2: becoming that and hopefully, you know, that can occur so
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Speaker 2: the BYU can continue to do what it does at
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Speaker 2: a high level. He also mentioned in the video that
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Speaker 2: I thought was interesting. We want access to certain players
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Speaker 2: that we haven't been able to get here. That's through
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Speaker 2: more funds and more resources, and certainly that's the goal
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Speaker 2: for everyone. He's not the first coach to say, hey,
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Speaker 2: we need more. Every coach wants more. But to see
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Speaker 2: what Buoi has done the last couple of years, when
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Speaker 2: finally boy gets into a power for league. Last year
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Speaker 2: was their first year of a full sh air of
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Speaker 2: the TV revenue. First years was about nineteen or twenty mail,
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Speaker 2: I believe, and then last year was thirty two mail,
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Speaker 2: thirty one point seven plus other stuff. Now bo, he's
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Speaker 2: competing for championships and what can they do with more?
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Speaker 2: I think they can keep going up and I think
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Speaker 2: I think that's Klanni's message. Does Look what we've done
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Speaker 2: so far. If we get more, we'll take care of
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Speaker 2: it in a way that is the BYU a and
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Speaker 2: will win. Let's go.
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Speaker 1: Talking a little BYU football with Jerem Jordan here on
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Speaker 1: the Sean O'Collins show, Red and Red and Blue, brought
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Speaker 1: From a player perspective, right now, who is standing out?
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Speaker 1: Who is climbing the ladder? Who is getting the mentions?
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Speaker 1: At BYU football camp Because you got to you got
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Speaker 1: to see a couple of these names. Definitely haven't do
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Speaker 1: a lot of returning production, but you have to see
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Speaker 1: a couple of names for BYU emerge in these position battles.
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Speaker 2: The number one guy for me that's really been interesting
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Speaker 2: is true freshman legend glasg At of Lehigh. He has
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Speaker 2: really inserted himself to the point where Fetsi Satakia San.
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Speaker 2: This guy's gonna play a lot, making a ton of
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Speaker 2: plays over the shoulder stuff. They can run any kind
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Speaker 2: of speed situation with him, jet sweep slot. He's playing
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Speaker 2: next yn Z. That is surprising. Part of the reason
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Speaker 2: is one legend's fantastic and two there's an opportunity there
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Speaker 2: with no Chase Roberts, no Parker Kingston, no Carson Ryan
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Speaker 2: at tight end, there's past catchers are going that raise
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Speaker 2: their hand and are ready. They're gonna get targets, They're
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Speaker 2: gonna get catches. So he's done a great job. Braxton Lindsay,
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Speaker 2: a defensive end out of Arkansas true freshman, could be
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Speaker 2: a guy that's in the mix. And the two deep
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Speaker 2: Evan Johnson cornerbacks for Yu who could be one of
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Speaker 2: the highest drafted corners next year in vou history. If
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Speaker 2: he goes out the fifth year thing he could come back.
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Speaker 2: We'll see he is looking even better, which I would
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Speaker 2: argue he's one of the top ten corners in America.
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Speaker 2: So those are some of the guys that have stuck out.
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Speaker 2: Jojo Phillips that receive is kind of asserting himself to
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Speaker 2: try and be wide receiver number one. Walker Lyons gets
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Speaker 2: a lot of targets from Bear, which I think you'll
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Speaker 2: lead this team in catches. So yeah, there's a lot
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Speaker 2: of guys making players. They're looking good and ton of experience.
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Speaker 2: And the guys that they brought in in certain spots
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Speaker 2: as transfers, they have filled in well and taken up
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Speaker 2: those roles like the Walker Lions, Roger Tellia pocket combo,
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Speaker 2: that's your Carson Ryan spot Like they've done a nice job.
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Speaker 2: The receivers are filling in and that's a big question
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Speaker 2: mark defense very a lot of speed. According to Colonia
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Speaker 2: on day one, Kelly Pepinga has a talented group. So
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Speaker 2: so far, so good BYU doing great things in Paul Camp.
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Speaker 1: Have you seen the ESPN article from Max Olson about
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Speaker 1: sort of the market price for players by position? Have
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Speaker 1: you had a chance to read that.
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Speaker 2: I saw the headline and did not read it.
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Speaker 1: Okay, so as far as I've read it, and I
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Speaker 1: think the only BYU player mentioned because they're just giving
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Speaker 1: examples is Kadu who's a linebacker who transferred in obviously
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Speaker 1: and I think is going to cause a lot of
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Speaker 1: people problems and we're very unhappy about it up here
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Speaker 1: in Salt Lake City. But whatever the linebacker range according
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Speaker 1: to the article is you know, three to seven hundred
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Speaker 1: thousand dollars with certain outliers, and Katu Lauabe was mentioned
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Speaker 1: as an outlier. And this is one of those things
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Speaker 1: where you know, we've just had a conversation where Kline
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Speaker 1: has been pretty open about resources and doing more with
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Speaker 1: less and things like that. Our players on this BYU
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Speaker 1: football team that there's always this insistence it's not just
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Speaker 1: about money here. It's about being in the right place
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Speaker 1: and fit and this is a special spot. And I'm
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Speaker 1: not disputing any of that. But our players like Katu Luave,
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Speaker 1: like Bear Bachmeyer, now like Evan Johnson, some of these
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Speaker 1: guys that you just mentioned, are they being paid, to
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Speaker 1: your knowledge, at the at or near the top of
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Speaker 1: the market, like the national market, the average market not
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Speaker 1: being expected like coaches are or coaches have been historically
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Speaker 1: at YU to take kind of like the you know,
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Speaker 1: the special place, wonderful environment discount. Are the players being
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Speaker 1: given the money that would be you know, market price.
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Speaker 2: My sense is the UYU is competitive, but it's not
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Speaker 2: the highest bidder on many guys. You know, in the
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Speaker 2: Aja de bonsa sort of quote unquote sweep stakes, everyone
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Speaker 2: has thrown around a seven million dollar number. Aj disputed
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Speaker 2: that himself because it's not seven millions, and there were
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Speaker 2: others that offered the same price. Right, he wanted the
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Speaker 2: Kevin Young experience. But of course, and I all needs
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Speaker 2: to be competitive. It can't be naive and act like no,
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Speaker 2: they'll do it for a quarter of the cost. But
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Speaker 2: I am aware that many, if not most, if not most,
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Speaker 2: of the team have sacrificed in some way multiple offers
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Speaker 2: from good power programs to be at Uyu because they
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Speaker 2: love it. And everybody's got a number where you would
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Speaker 2: leave kind of your comfort to go to a new situation.
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Speaker 2: But many of these guys have chosen YU because they
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Speaker 2: like it and the nil is enough or good. Right.
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Speaker 2: So in Kid's case, I'm sure that vuy was like,
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Speaker 2: you know what, we need a big time back to
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Speaker 2: replace Jack Kelly. Let's get a competitive number in there.
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Speaker 2: Kate certainly has connections to BOI, grew up a U
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Speaker 2: A fan, and so it's cool to have him back,
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Speaker 2: and perhaps he's even here next year. Let's see how
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Speaker 2: this season goes. But with this fifth year thing, which
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Speaker 2: I think people are forgetting about it, Like l J.
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Speaker 2: Martin can return next year if you want.
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Speaker 1: That exist like Jem don't say that.
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Speaker 2: Not going to but like he's gonna have a great
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Speaker 2: year and leave, but like he caught like the elis
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Speaker 2: building thing. It's it's crazy, like Cad and LJ are
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Speaker 2: fourth year seniors, which by the way, we're still doing
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Speaker 2: fresh and sophomore junior, senior and then I think it's
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Speaker 2: just a fifth year but there are no red shirts,
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Speaker 2: like it changes the game a little bit. But yeah,
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Speaker 2: I believe THEOI is competitive and it's not a question
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Speaker 2: of whether VYUS and for most power programs your starters.
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Speaker 2: Can you get good starters, Like I think a lot
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Speaker 2: of the main programs we're talking about they have competitive
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Speaker 2: rev Sharon and IM and so on and so forth.
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Speaker 2: It's kind of like can you get enough to get
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Speaker 2: some quality backups and retain people. I think the story
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Speaker 2: of the off season for BYU was the fact that
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Speaker 2: they did not lose a single starter to the portal.
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Speaker 2: That's unbelievable. I would argue they lost one two deep
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Speaker 2: guy Tavian Beasley left who was a safety, that was
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Speaker 2: a backup safety. That's it. That is it. They lost
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Speaker 2: one backup, Max Alfred, linebacker who was kind of a
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Speaker 2: third string guy to Michigan. That's crazy that Moore didn't
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Speaker 2: go with Jay Hill. Like, this is a special group
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Speaker 2: that wants to be together and they are hungry to
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Speaker 2: win a championship. They are kicked off and putting in
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Speaker 2: the work to try and be a championship level team.
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Speaker 2: And I think they've got the talent.
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Speaker 1: I want you to answer one of your own questions
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Speaker 1: from TV. Is it more likely that LJ. Martin has
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Speaker 1: a record setting season, cements himself as maybe the all
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Speaker 1: time great running back at BYU from a career standpoint,
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Speaker 1: and improves his overall numbers production from last year where
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Speaker 1: he was to refresh everyone to the chagrin of Utah fans,
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Speaker 1: the offensive player of the year in the Big Twelve Conference.
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Speaker 1: Is that more likely that he takes another step forward
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Speaker 1: or that his production even if he's a great player
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Speaker 1: again and healthy again, his production maybe dips a little
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Speaker 1: bit because the depth is better because Moa is healthy,
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Speaker 1: because they have some other options and you know, it's
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Speaker 1: more of a bi committee situation. Which of those is
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Speaker 1: a more likely outcome for you?
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Speaker 2: Fewer yards is more likely for me because Fioni is healthy.
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Speaker 2: They like Davon Ekka, another freshman, Natalie how That played
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Speaker 2: with legend Glasgow is kind of a number three Preston Rex,
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Speaker 2: kind of your change of pace guy, and you can
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Speaker 2: swing it to him for a quick pass, or he
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Speaker 2: can run outside the tackles pretty well. I think the
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Speaker 2: depth is better, and I don't want LJ Martin to
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Speaker 2: have a crazy year rushing. I want him to be
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Speaker 2: used a little less so that he's fresh later. He
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Speaker 2: got caught in a situation where when LJ hurt his
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Speaker 2: shoulder against Iowa State, he wasn't quite the same. He
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Speaker 2: came back a little early because he wanted to play
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Speaker 2: against text to text. He wasn't one hundred percent. He's
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Speaker 2: not one hundred percent of the Big Twelve title game.
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Speaker 2: He doesn't even play in the pup Yards Bowl, and
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Speaker 2: both Baron Bachmeyer had to shoulder a lot in the
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Speaker 2: past game and his development happened a lot, which was
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Speaker 2: great in that regard. So I would prefer that he
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Speaker 2: does not have that kind of year, not because I
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Speaker 2: don't like LJ. It's because I think more team success
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Speaker 2: will happen if LJ is a little fresher later.
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Speaker 1: Jerem, what are you going to do for the next
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Speaker 1: twenty five days to prepare yourself for bya football season?
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Speaker 2: Continue to go to practice. Not pay attention to NFL
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Speaker 2: exhibitions because they're completely worthless. Continue to follow the Electrical
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Speaker 2: station Twitter account that has been created to follow that random.
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Speaker 1: No, that's why did you bring that up? That was
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Speaker 1: rude work. Hey, look, we were friends altered, Yeah, we
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Speaker 1: were friends after this conversation until that moment.
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Speaker 2: Jam. Have you seen that account? It's pretty funny.
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Speaker 1: I don't like it. I don't like any of it.
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Speaker 1: Ricky Pearsall hates it even more than I do.
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Speaker 2: All Right, I know I don't wish injuries on anybody.
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Speaker 2: It's just like, what the heck going on over this?
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Speaker 1: I know, I rich eyes In this morning they were
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Speaker 1: talking about is George Kittle going to be back week
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Speaker 1: one from his achilles injury? And I was just like,
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Speaker 1: don't start talking about injuries for the forty nine ers again, please.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's let's not start that again. Yeah, but everyone's stoked.
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Speaker 2: I love it. Hey, we're seeing practic highlights. We're having conversations.
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