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Ep 31 - A Chat with Bodyguards · WA Police Confidential (Formerly Operation Podcast)

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  SPEAKER_01: This podcast discusses real-life crimes and law enforcement matters.
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  SPEAKER_08: And I'm Maya Greeve.
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  SPEAKER_11: And I'm Sergeant Nate Gilmore.
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  SPEAKER_08: Coming up on this week's episode, there was a wolf on the loose in the city last weekend.
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  SPEAKER_08: And for once, he's the good guy.
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  SPEAKER_12: No howling matter there.
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  SPEAKER_12: Oh, how did he bring that to a conclusion?
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  SPEAKER_08: We'll find out on why one police motorcycle rider had half of Perth watching.
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  SPEAKER_12: Pretty cool.
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  SPEAKER_08: We'll also meet a former WA police piper whose career has taken him from parades and ceremonies to some truly unexpected songs.
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  SPEAKER_12: Oh, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_12: Um, and in very unusual places and elevations, you might say.
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  SPEAKER_12: Um maybe even the secret source behind one of our very own AFL teams.
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  SPEAKER_12: It's a long way to the top, that's for sure.
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  SPEAKER_12: That is true.
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  SPEAKER_08: And we'll take you behind the scenes of one of the state's most specialized policing roles, protecting some of the most important people to visit WA.
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  SPEAKER_12: Uh have you seen the boot the movie The Bodyguard Name?
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  SPEAKER_12: Uh no, I haven't actually.
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  SPEAKER_12: Oh, okay.
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  SPEAKER_12: Okay, well, um maybe uh maybe maybe our listeners will, if they've seen that movie, have a little uh an idea about what that specialist unit might be.
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  SPEAKER_08: And we also farewelled one of the agency's most respected inspectors, as he calls it time on a remarkable policing career.
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  SPEAKER_12: He's got some cool stories, that's for sure.
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  SPEAKER_12: Stay tuned for that one.
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  SPEAKER_08: Claire will join us for another edition of It's Probably Bad News.
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  SPEAKER_12: It probably is.
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  SPEAKER_08: And we've got our history fact of the week.
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  SPEAKER_08: But you know, let's key up the radio, switch on the lights and sirens, and get right into it.
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  SPEAKER_12: This is WA Police Confidential.
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  SPEAKER_11: This is WA Police Confidential.
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  SPEAKER_11: You've seen them in the movies, the suits, the earpieces, the motorcades, but this isn't Hollywood.
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  SPEAKER_11: Behind every VIP visit are a team of police officers working tirelessly behind the scenes.
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  SPEAKER_11: Today we're joined by Sergeant Chris Marzo and first class constable Ingrid Brune from the Dignatory Protection Unit.
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  SPEAKER_12: Otherwise known as DPU Bodyguards.
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  SPEAKER_12: Ah DPU is also cool.
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  SPEAKER_12: DPU is cool.
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  SPEAKER_12: Um thanks for coming on the podcast, guys.
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  SPEAKER_12: Thank you for having us.
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  SPEAKER_12: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_12: First question for me before Nate asked something serious.
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  SPEAKER_12: The earpieces.
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  SPEAKER_06: We we use uh the the earplugs um operationally when we're doing something.
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  SPEAKER_06: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_06: Uh we also use our phones to communicate via teams and that sort of thing.
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  SPEAKER_12: So okay, cool, cool, cool, cool.
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  SPEAKER_12: And uh one more just to icebreaker question.
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  SPEAKER_12: Do you have cool code names like um Red Eagle or you know Falcon Cougar Thunderbird?
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  SPEAKER_12: That sort of thing.
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  SPEAKER_02: Ah, I love that!
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  SPEAKER_12: Okay, okay, all right.
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  SPEAKER_12: That's uh that that is so cool.
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  SPEAKER_12: That is so cool.
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  SPEAKER_11: Uh for yourself, um, how long have you been in the role and um who's the most notable person you've been encountered in your in your job so far?
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  SPEAKER_07: Uh so I've been in the role for four years, um, and we deal with quite a varied client client base.
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  SPEAKER_07: Um, but yeah, um I can't mention names, so but we've done royalty, we've done government, um, international protected persons.
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  SPEAKER_07: So yeah, quite varied.
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  SPEAKER_07: Wow.
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  SPEAKER_06: Well, locally we've got a responsibility for looking after state MPs, uh, also the judiciary, the police executive.
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  SPEAKER_06: A lot of it's threat-based, um, but there are certain roles that you know we provide perfection uh protection for because that's uh a role that is important.
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  SPEAKER_06: Um nationally, we also assist um our uh uh federal uh police partners in uh when they visit across this side of the uh country.
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  SPEAKER_06: Uh and also um internationally, as Ingrid said, we've got um high office holders, uh international protected persons, uh royalty, um, and an international protected person, you know, could be um uh high-ranking um politician, uh could be someone that's deemed important because of their role, um, someone like the Pope, that sort of thing.
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  SPEAKER_12: So what about someone like do you do Rockstar?
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  SPEAKER_06: No, no, teeth.
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  SPEAKER_06: No, it's all it's all government or oriented.
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  SPEAKER_06: Um so all these people that come internationally are um invited by the government for spit various reasons.
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  SPEAKER_06: Um but yeah, it's in it's the importance to the government and to the country in terms of trade and economics and a whole range of other things, if you know what I mean.
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  SPEAKER_06: So uh generally those visits benefit our country in some way or form.
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  SPEAKER_12: Does do you guys have to, as part of your training or induction, watch the bodyguard with Kevin Costa?
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  SPEAKER_12: Come on, tell me you've watched it.
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  SPEAKER_12: Have you watched it?
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  SPEAKER_07: I've watched it.
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  SPEAKER_07: Oh no.
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  SPEAKER_07: Okay, no, it's not part of the induction.
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  SPEAKER_06: How how realistic is that, really?
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  SPEAKER_06: I'm curious.
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  SPEAKER_06: Uh well you know, because that's very much like say that rock star sort of platform where you know it's very uh tailored towards that person and what they do and everything else.
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  SPEAKER_06: So ours is probably a little bit different in some respects.
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  SPEAKER_06: Once again, can't go into details, but yeah.
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  SPEAKER_11: How do you find yourself in this very unique role in policing?
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  SPEAKER_06: Um so uh it's uh um uh a unit that is available for anyone to apply for.
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  SPEAKER_06: Um there are certain things that we look for in in individuals.
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  SPEAKER_06: Uh we'd like people with experience.
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  SPEAKER_06: Um guys have to work um on their own at times in groups, um, but they will need to have that really good uh understanding of policing and and you know what they're what they can and can't do.
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  SPEAKER_06: Uh they also have to be fit.
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  SPEAKER_06: We put them through a whole fitness regime uh and they have to uh every six months re-qualify.
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  SPEAKER_06: Um and the reason for that is obviously um, you know, and it's everything, it's role specific in terms of um, you know, if uh if one of our diplomats falls over and has a heart attack, then we also need to be able to uh deal with that.
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  SPEAKER_06: So, you know, we do uh high-level um medical training, uh also tactical training, all that sort of stuff.
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  SPEAKER_12: So this is probably a question I think that people who are listening at home would want to know, and it's a serious one.
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  SPEAKER_12: Um do you have to do you have to be prepared to put yourself in harm's way potentially to take a bullet for for somebody who you're protecting?
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  SPEAKER_12: How how do you come to that place where you're accepting a debt?
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  SPEAKER_06: Well and yes, we're in uh protecting i important people, but at the end of the day, uh every police officer does the same thing, you know, whether it be a member of the public or whether it be domestic violence or whatever it is, police protect people every day.
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  SPEAKER_06: And sometimes that is standing in front of someone with a knife or a gun or whatever.
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  SPEAKER_06: So I don't see it as being any different to that.
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  SPEAKER_06: Um, yeah, we're just out there to protect the public, and you know, sometimes those members of the public are uh important to the government or whatever, but at the end of the day, it's the same principle.
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  SPEAKER_12: Playing devil's advocate though, if someone needs a bodyguard, it might might also be, as you said, because it's there's a threat or these threats have been made or implied.
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  SPEAKER_12: So I think it stands to reason that that you might be in a um a position where the risk is far more likely that you have to put yourself in harm's way to protect that person.
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  SPEAKER_12: But is that the conversation that like do you have to do you have to have a sort of a a chat with yourself or with your colleagues?
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  SPEAKER_12: Is it part of the process?
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  SPEAKER_12: It it seems I know what you're saying about and I know that and I appreciate because all of our police officers do.
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  SPEAKER_06: I've been a police officer for 40 years and I've worked in general duties a lot of my career.
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  SPEAKER_06: Um and I just do not see it as being any different.
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  SPEAKER_06: We're out there to protect people, and that's that's what we do.
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  SPEAKER_06: It's just that the people we're protecting um are from a different uh part of life.
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  SPEAKER_12: Um okay.
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  SPEAKER_12: So I appreciate like that that um you say it's you know it's it's all the same, and everybody is in in some ways, I think, obviously equal.
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  SPEAKER_12: You know, we're all human beings, and and it's nice to know that you know that every single one of our police officers out there to protect the community and to potentially take a bullet for a member of the community.
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  SPEAKER_12: Um have you ever had uh an operational experience where um there has been a real threat without going into detail?
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  SPEAKER_06: Um okay, so you know, uh threats happen all the time and they can be minor, they can be large, and obviously they're assessed, but um without going into too much detail, um yeah, ever everything every every threat is assessed and is dealt with at varying levels, so depending on the validity of that threat.
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  SPEAKER_06: The thing with social media these days is uh a lot of people make comments online that you know in reality can be perceived as threats, but you know, they sp they don't think about what they're doing before they actually put it on on social media.
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  SPEAKER_06: So but it still has to be looked into and and um validated in some way.
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  SPEAKER_12: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_12: Uh what about the um, I guess you know, taking it in a very different direction, but uh given that you are protecting these people who uh you know potentially uh have a high-ranking role, um do you kind of have to not listen to things that are being sometimes said in front of you?
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  SPEAKER_12: Is that part of the the job?
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  SPEAKER_07: Confidentiality is a big part of the uh part of the job, um, and even yeah, even years later.
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  SPEAKER_06: So we all have to have security clearances, um uh and obviously we have to sign declarations to say that uh nothing that we hear or see um is mentioned outside.
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  SPEAKER_06: We're what they call apolitical, so you know we have no allegiances to any particular party or anything like that.
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  SPEAKER_06: It's these are the people that we protect, and and that's what we've got to do.
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  SPEAKER_06: Um so, in terms of uh what we do, which is probably a little bit um outside of normal policing, is probably planning.
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  SPEAKER_06: We do a lot of planning.
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  SPEAKER_06: Uh we have to be very meticulous about our planning, obviously.
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  SPEAKER_06: Um, and you know, so our guys get some really good opportunities to plan big operations and do uh do a lot of stuff around uh security, uh, and it can be very interesting uh uh to do that type of work, and you get to meet a lot of different people, a lot of different agencies.
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  SPEAKER_06: Um, it can be really interesting from that side.
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  SPEAKER_11: No, that is pretty cool.
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  SPEAKER_11: Uh if you think you've got what it takes to join the dignitary protection unit, obviously, once you've completed your training, and done a couple of years, two years, I think, roughly, as a sort of general duties.
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  SPEAKER_06: The policy just changed five years minute.
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  SPEAKER_12: There you go.
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  SPEAKER_12: So you could you could do general duties, you could do a few other things in special students and find yourself five years on in dignity protection unit.
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  SPEAKER_11: And if you see yourself doing that, jump on Let's Join Forces.
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  SPEAKER_11: We're recruiting at the moment, and we want to hear from you.
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  SPEAKER_12: When you say jump, do you mean like dive and jump?
• 12:21
  SPEAKER_11: Well, you know, just go online.
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  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, so we have to be ready for for anything, as I said earlier.
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  SPEAKER_06: So part of our fitness program is is swimming and running, and uh, we've got an obstacle course that where we've got to carry bodies and do bits and pieces and that sort of stuff.
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  SPEAKER_06: So it's it's quite rigorous, um, but it's important for the role that we undertake.
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  SPEAKER_06: And um, yeah, so we do and you get to wear a suit.
• 12:45
  SPEAKER_06: And we get to wear a suit.
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  SPEAKER_12: I know I know you guys, I know you guys are sworn to protect and take a bullet for people, but there's some people you just would you be disappointed if you had to take a bullet for certain people.
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  SPEAKER_06: Well, you know, once again, we're we're apolitical.
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  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, no judgment.
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  SPEAKER_06: Regardless, we are there to protect whoever we've been assigned to protect.
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  SPEAKER_06: Doesn't matter what we feel or think about that person, we've got a job to do and we do it and we do it well.
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  SPEAKER_06: Our guys are very professional, um, and we have to be that way because particularly with international visitors, you know, um, often what we'll do is we'll we'll look at their customs, their religions, all that sort of thing to try and evaluate, you know, what we need to do uh around that person.
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  SPEAKER_06: So it's not all just about their security, it's also about not creating some diplomatic incident.
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  SPEAKER_06: Um, so it's important that we we understand what they're all about, um, try and learn some key uh um points in terms of languages and that sort of stuff.
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  SPEAKER_06: Uh we're lucky enough that Ingrid over here speaks French, so if we've got a French visitor, she can help us out.
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  SPEAKER_06: Um, but that they are things that we we have to think about um in terms of um customs and other bits and pieces because we don't want to offend these people that that come across.
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  SPEAKER_06: That's awesome.
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  SPEAKER_06: I did tell her they're just speaking French the whole time.
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  SPEAKER_06: The whole time.
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  SPEAKER_06: I like it.
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  SPEAKER_12: Um look, I don't know what your real code names are.
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  SPEAKER_12: Um but Nate, I mean, would you want to what would you give these guys?
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  SPEAKER_11: Oh geez, put me on the spot.
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  SPEAKER_11: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_12: Um I would go with I would go with like I'd go with Steel Croissant.
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  SPEAKER_12: Um and and um I reckon Nighthawk for Chris.
• 14:36
  SPEAKER_11: Nighthawk.
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  SPEAKER_11: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_11: No, no, no.
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  SPEAKER_12: Yeah, definitely.
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  SPEAKER_12: What about what about Silver Fox?
• 14:45
  SPEAKER_12: Oh, very good.
• 14:48
  SPEAKER_12: Yeah.
• 14:49
  SPEAKER_12: Um, thank you very much to both of you.
• 14:51
  SPEAKER_12: I I hope life treats you kind, and I hope you get all you dream of.
• 14:58
  SPEAKER_12: And I wish you love and happiness and to take us out of this segment.
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  SPEAKER_12: Originally written by Dolly Parton but made famous Houston.
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  SPEAKER_12: Uh we will have our WA Police Pipe Band playing, and I will always love you, featured in the movie The Bodyguard with Kevin Costa, who's slightly less handsome than Chris for those listening.
• 15:17
  SPEAKER_12: I knew this was coming.
• 15:20
  SPEAKER_11: This is WA Police Confidential.
• 15:38
  SPEAKER_11: You're listening to WA Police Confidential.
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  SPEAKER_11: Well, there was a wolf on the loose in the city last weekend, and for once, he was the good guy.
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  SPEAKER_11: What started as a routine patrol quickly turned into a pursuit of an alleged domestic violence offender through the heart of the CBD, weaving through some of the city's busiest public places.
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  SPEAKER_11: Police motorcycle rider senior constable James Wolf joins us to explain what happened, how it unfolded, and how the vision quickly caught the attention of thousands online.
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  SPEAKER_11: Wolfie, thanks for joining us.
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  SPEAKER_09: You're more than welcome.
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  SPEAKER_11: If we can call you Wolfie.
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  SPEAKER_12: Uh absolutely, uh, most people do.
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  SPEAKER_12: I would have gone with Mr.
• 16:15
  SPEAKER_12: Wolf.
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_12: Personally, I just think that's cool.
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  SPEAKER_12: Um people would have seen this on our socials, probably from last week, and we heard that this alleged FTV offender was uh was driving recklessly on an e-scooter, uh, wrong side of the road, failing to stop.
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  SPEAKER_12: How did you get involved?
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  SPEAKER_09: Well, uh I suppose it's uh like a lot of good things, right place, wrong time, maybe?
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  SPEAKER_09: I don't know.
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  SPEAKER_09: But uh look, I was literally in the city for another matter, which was the marches, then that's quite normal over the weekends for us to be in there.
• 16:43
  SPEAKER_09: And um I'd literally just pulled up uh or in the process of pulling up when it came over the radio, and it was literally around the corner.
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  SPEAKER_09: So um, you know, as I say, the motorcycles are very fluid, um, they've got uh uh great options for speed and for sort of flexibility, and I had a pretty good idea that I should be able to find him quite quickly.
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  SPEAKER_12: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_12: This this is maybe uh a bit of a case study for flexibility, uh your word, uh, because this pursuit went off-road, didn't it?
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_12: Uh well look can you tell us about that?
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  SPEAKER_12: Right off-road in a very different way.
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  SPEAKER_09: Most things uh in in police will go unplanned, and I think you can't write any script at all, but um um he certainly uh made it quite clear that uh he he wasn't particularly interested in having a short chat with me.
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_09: Um we'll we'll we'll put it that way.
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  SPEAKER_09: Um and uh after a couple of uh U-turns and circles, um, and uh there was at least one uh I suppose interactions from some of the local cops to uh to try and grab him, he's decided to go down alleyways and uh uh through the library and things like that before we started heading into the malls.
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  SPEAKER_12: Okay.
• 17:48
  SPEAKER_12: So we're gonna say in the mall, I think there's the old Karelian arcade that's been uh that's kind of not really op open at the moment.
• 17:55
  SPEAKER_12: Um uh he he turned into there.
• 17:57
  SPEAKER_12: And did you did you at that point in time think, should I follow him?
• 18:02
  SPEAKER_12: Or was it ever a question, or or were you just you just had to get get your man?
• 18:06
  SPEAKER_09: Well, look, I I think uh one one of the things to to be said is I I used to actually police Perth uh many years ago.
• 18:11
  SPEAKER_09: I did about two or three years, and I really enjoyed it, loved the place.
• 18:14
  SPEAKER_09: Um it's changed a bit.
• 18:15
  SPEAKER_09: Um, but uh you know, I think I do have to throw the word continuously assessing what was happening.
• 18:21
  SPEAKER_09: Um but um I I I didn't exactly know where that was going to turn out, I'll be brutally honest with you.
• 18:27
  SPEAKER_09: I thought it was perhaps the next one along, and I was pretty happy I was gonna be turning out on uh Murray Street, the other end, but of course it didn't quite work out like that.
• 18:34
  SPEAKER_12: No, no, so you you're in the Carillion arcade.
• 18:39
  SPEAKER_12: It kind of does it, it slopes up, doesn't it?
• 18:41
  SPEAKER_12: Did you have to go up any stairs or anything to end up?
• 18:43
  SPEAKER_12: This this chase, uh, please go and have a look at it on our socials if you haven't seen already, because it has to be seen to be believed.
• 18:48
  SPEAKER_12: Uh ended up on the first floor of Forest Chase, uh, which um it's you know, I don't know, how is it 15 metres above the ground, I guess?
• 18:58
  SPEAKER_12: Yeah, it's quite high.
• 18:59
  SPEAKER_12: It's like a walkway, there's some retail shops and stuff there.
• 19:02
  SPEAKER_12: See a motorbike next to the station.
• 19:04
  SPEAKER_12: But did so did were there any stairs involved, or does the arcade sort of slope up?
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_09: No, look, it it it's uh it was a very flat surface.
• 19:11
  SPEAKER_09: I was acutely aware of the fact that it's sort of like tiled, so I was thinking how how the tires gonna hold up, but they grip quite well.
• 19:16
  SPEAKER_09: That uh that's bike surprisingly good, actually, it's even off-road.
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  SPEAKER_09: Uh, but um there was didn't feel like it was going up or down very much, and I must admit, uh, my eyebrows were fairly well raised when we did pop out, where we did pop out.
• 19:30
  SPEAKER_12: Wow.
• 19:30
  SPEAKER_12: Um, and and obviously, look, we've watched the the full body on camera.
• 19:35
  SPEAKER_12: You were clearly very much in control of the bike, you uh very aware of pedestrians around you.
• 19:42
  SPEAKER_12: It you know, it it really was a a textbook example of you know the capability that that police have on a motorcycle.
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_12: Um you just kept going though.
• 19:54
  SPEAKER_12: Did did you at some point think, oh come on, would you just stop?
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_09: I th I think one of the things to be considered here is that uh it was very much uh I was the only one that had perhaps had permanent eyes uh on this uh this gentleman.
• 20:09
  SPEAKER_09: Um and uh he'd already demonstrated he was gonna uh outmaneuver the bikes and perhaps the uh um people on foot.
• 20:17
  SPEAKER_09: So uh my main uh I suppose uh idea was to really just put ourselves in a position where we can get enough assets in place so he could be eventually be uh apprehended.
• 20:27
  SPEAKER_09: Um maybe that wasn't going to be me, uh as it was, it wasn't.
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_09: Um but I certainly wanted to maintain um a visual on him.
• 20:34
  SPEAKER_09: And I know obviously city support would be able to assist there as well.
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_09: Um, but uh yeah, and also warn the public as well.
• 20:40
  SPEAKER_09: That's uh you probably seen the footage, or you may not have even heard of the footage.
• 20:43
  SPEAKER_09: Uh there's a lot of hornwork there warning people uh to get out the way of this uh this interesting gentleman.
• 20:49
  SPEAKER_09: Yes, horn work that I like, I like that a lot.
• 20:52
  SPEAKER_09: It's got a very good truck horn on it.
• 20:54
  SPEAKER_11: Yeah, I think uh we acknowledge the efforts as well of one of the uh push bike police that was backing up.
• 20:59
  SPEAKER_11: Outstanding efforting you standing effort.
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_11: Um would it be fair to say that you're not a one-man wolf pack?
• 21:05
  SPEAKER_09: Oh yeah.
• 21:07
  SPEAKER_09: A great topical gag there.
• 21:08
  SPEAKER_09: I like that.
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_09: Um look, you know, joking aside, you know, it it really is one big team.
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_09: And at one point I was overtaken by the bikes, and uh they do an amazing work in the city.
• 21:18
  SPEAKER_09: Um, not much can outrun those guys when they get going.
• 21:20
  SPEAKER_09: And um, but uh look, they did fantastic work, and I had a uh sort of bird's eye view of what unfolded on the uh rail tracks there.
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_09: Uh I was able to sort of uh I suppose detail that to uh to City Support, uh which was the 2019 channel.
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_09: And um, but uh yeah, it it could have actually gone very, very differently.
• 21:40
  SPEAKER_09: And um you can probably see in the last bit of the footage, uh, at some point he's actually swinging that uh very heavy uh scooter at the officers before they uh they take their the right steps and uh and deal with him.
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_09: So uh yeah, yeah, uh joking aside, um there are some serious parts to this.
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_09: So and um yeah, he was he he was apprehended um and mercifully with.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_09: Zero injuries um whatsoever.
• 22:02
  SPEAKER_12: So streets of Perth, onto into the mall, into Forest Chase, down to the station.
• 22:09
  SPEAKER_12: And this is a really good time, listeners, for us to um just point out that our podcast room is actually also the entryway to the armory uh for police HQ.
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_12: Hey Tom.
• 22:21
  SPEAKER_12: Tom's just kidding up or kidding down, de-kitting.
• 22:25
  unknown: I'm kidding up.
• 22:26
  SPEAKER_12: He's Tom's kidding up at the moment, so you might hear something like a taser being discharged.
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_12: Is that what it is?
• 22:32
  SPEAKER_12: Tested cycles.
• 22:33
  SPEAKER_12: Tested cycles.
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_12: Yep, yep.
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_12: Okay.
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_12: He's cycling his taser, um, putting on his his sidearm if you're interested in doing that.
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_12: We are, of course, recruiting, uh, as as you know.
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_11: Search Let's Join Forces.
• 22:43
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• 22:44
  SPEAKER_11: Great segue, guys.
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_11: Love your work.
• 22:46
  SPEAKER_11: Thank you.
• 22:46
  SPEAKER_12: Thank you, thank you, thank you.
• 22:47
  SPEAKER_12: Segway to go.
• 22:48
  SPEAKER_12: Yeah, uh Chase.
• 22:49
  SPEAKER_12: Great gag.
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_12: All the segue, yeah.
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_12: Well, yeah, okay, that'd be interesting.
• 22:53
  SPEAKER_12: Uh a pursuit with a segue.
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_12: It actually was a segue as well, so there's a gag.
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_12: This is that's the taser sound.
• 23:04
  SPEAKER_12: There you go.
• 23:05
  SPEAKER_12: Tom's Taser works.
• 23:07
  SPEAKER_12: Okay, so incredible job.
• 23:09
  SPEAKER_12: Thank you very much.
• 23:11
  SPEAKER_12: You have a reputation though, for being that guy who's just out there busting people who are breaking the law, taking taking taking people in, arresting people, you you're just like a Mr.
• 23:25
  SPEAKER_12: Everywhere.
• 23:26
  SPEAKER_12: Um I guess uh can you tell us about a a recent arrest where not only um you know did you do a fantastic job, but you did it with I guess the the humour and the wit that your colleagues appreciate.
• 23:43
  SPEAKER_09: Yeah, look, uh I I think uh I I'd echo some of your comments and uh I wouldn't I wouldn't uh stick my head too far above the parapet, but uh look, I would like to say I'm uh as proactive as I possibly can be.
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_09: I do generally and uh wish to make a difference um in the community that I live in, uh especially the Jun Delap area.
• 24:02
  SPEAKER_09: Shout out to those guys because um that's uh that's where I'm from and it's nice to be involved in changing a dynamic in an area, so um, which would probably lead nicely into sort of the uh uh the Operation Moorhead, uh, which uh was at the beginning of the year, uh, where I was asked um on the quiet um indirectly, would I be interested?
• 24:21
  SPEAKER_09: And I think before they even got to finish the conversation, I've said I'm in.
• 24:24
  SPEAKER_11: And Operation Moorhead, for those who aren't who aren't aware, it was targeting um you know antisocial behavior involving predominantly youths on e-ridables and causing real havoc up there in the northern suburbs.
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_09: Yeah, and uh uh it was uh it proved to be one of the most successful operations um I've been involved in, and I've been involved in many over the years, some of which uh are even on a global scale.
• 24:49
  SPEAKER_09: Uh I'll drop in Operation OR there, which was quite an interesting one, but um I'll move on from that.
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_09: Cool.
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_09: But uh it's uh it also targeted uh we uh plenty of adults were involved, uh drugs and various other um uh implements, weapons were also recovered during that uh that month of uh extreme action, as it were.
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_09: But a roaring success.
• 25:09
  SPEAKER_09: Um and um not to say for a minute that we're still not targeting these people because we are, because if you are on a uh uh a non-compliant e-scooter or e-ridable, it is a motorbike.
• 25:20
  SPEAKER_09: And uh if you haven't got a license and it's not registered, uh we'll be having a few quiet words.
• 25:25
  SPEAKER_12: Yeah, and then then your motorbike and your dreams are crushed.
• 25:30
  SPEAKER_09: Um to coin a phrase literally crushed.
• 25:32
  SPEAKER_09: Yes, that's generally 99% how it goes, uh Joey.
• 25:36
  SPEAKER_12: This is this is what it sounds like.
• 25:40
  SPEAKER_12: Yep, dreams being crushed.
• 25:42
  SPEAKER_12: Um, okay.
• 25:43
  SPEAKER_12: Now we know we know that during that operation um uh your your colleagues were just over the moon every time you made yet another arrest, arrest after arrest, or you know, seizing these e-scooters.
• 25:57
  SPEAKER_12: Um Did you mention that maybe there was uh a bit of a almost a running tally that the station would would would were doing?
• 26:07
  SPEAKER_09: I I think it did certainly uh became uh an on an ongoing uh I suppose event.
• 26:12
  SPEAKER_09: Uh probably a bit hard to describe, but uh I would like to point out though that the Joondal Up Detective's Office was um very, very supportive um and very, very uh on the forefront uh in that operation.
• 26:25
  SPEAKER_09: And I can't uh echo that enough how professional they were, because they really were.
• 26:28
  SPEAKER_09: Um I would like to uh just make sure that is on record, how how good they were during that month.
• 26:34
  SPEAKER_12: Hold on, listen.
• 26:35
  SPEAKER_12: Tom's Tom's kitted up and he's ready to go.
• 26:37
  SPEAKER_12: Keep the community safe.
• 26:39
  SPEAKER_12: Thanks, Tom.
• 26:40
  SPEAKER_12: Stay safe out there, buddy.
• 26:41
  SPEAKER_09: Uh and you mentioned uh a couple as well, but uh yeah, there was one recently as well, which uh yeah, I couldn't resist uh injecting a little bit of humour.
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_09: Um and uh I know we've seen a lot of it on the media with uh perhaps uh younger gentlemen uh on perhaps less uh legal machines wearing balaclavas.
• 27:00
  SPEAKER_12: Okay, set us up, set us up before don't we do we don't want the punchline yet because we're gonna go to your uh your helmet cam, I think, and have a listen.
• 27:09
  SPEAKER_12: But set us up to that moment.
• 27:10
  SPEAKER_12: What was the offense?
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_09: Well, uh a fairly normal day.
• 27:14
  SPEAKER_09: I'm in I'm in the city, I do like being in the in the city, and um there's a uh gentleman who's obviously going to work, um, but he's not stopping for love nor money, and he hasn't seen me.
• 27:23
  SPEAKER_09: And um he's going a little bit quick on a completely non-compliant uh e-bike.
• 27:29
  SPEAKER_09: Okay.
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_09: Um so um, yeah, what I've done is uh gone to have a chat with him, and I've waited deliberately until he's about to get onto the cycle path where we can have a chat, and it's safe to stop him.
• 27:39
  SPEAKER_09: Okay.
• 27:40
  SPEAKER_09: And he's and he has stopped?
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_09: Uh he has stopped, um, perhaps a bit more uh shortly and abruptly than he was he was working for, but I think you probably have to see the video to uh to understand that.
• 27:50
  SPEAKER_12: Uh I suppose.
• 27:52
  SPEAKER_12: Was it a a painful s uh sort of stop?
• 27:55
  SPEAKER_09: I I would say there's a couple of parts of his anatomy that we're probably saying suggesting that was definitely the case.
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_12: Okay, well yeah, all right, okay.
• 28:01
  SPEAKER_12: Um and and look, this just goes to perhaps one of the reasons why some of these things are not compliant, they're not safe.
• 28:08
  SPEAKER_12: Um maybe they're not, maybe they should be people shouldn't be travelling at those speeds.
• 28:12
  SPEAKER_12: Which brings us to the uh the incident question after the gentleman had stopped uh and um after perhaps maybe he had uh taken a few deep breaths uh and reconsidered his life choices.
• 28:26
  SPEAKER_12: Reconsidered his life choices, um and uh yes, and and and whatnot.
• 28:31
  SPEAKER_12: Um you've taken off his helmet and should we just have a listen?
• 28:36
  SPEAKER_12: Yeah, let's go for it.
• 28:38
  SPEAKER_10: Old man Johnson.
• 28:41
  SPEAKER_10: Ah, it was the meddling kids all along.
• 28:43
  SPEAKER_10: Right, you got any license or ID on you at all?
• 28:46
  SPEAKER_12: Okay.
• 28:48
  SPEAKER_12: Meyer, any guesses as to what that might be a reference to?
• 28:52
  SPEAKER_08: Well, it's actually a part of my favorite TV slash movie series.
• 28:55
  SPEAKER_08: It's gotta be Scooby-Doo.
• 28:56
  SPEAKER_09: Well, I think any kid growing up in the 70s, which is definitely myself, uh, with any sort of cartoon that was done by Hanna Barbera, uh, would recognise those quotes almost immediately.
• 29:07
  SPEAKER_12: Fantastic.
• 29:07
  SPEAKER_12: I mean, and look, it yeah, you do you do you frequently kind of do things like this?
• 29:13
  SPEAKER_12: Is it for you?
• 29:14
  SPEAKER_12: Is it for the crew?
• 29:15
  SPEAKER_12: Like how uh what motivates you?
• 29:17
  SPEAKER_09: I'll be honest with you, I do it as often as I can lawfully get away with it.
• 29:24
  SPEAKER_09: If if you're if if you're doing a job that you love, uh you never work a day in your life.
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_09: And um, you know, I'm uh I'm heading towards retirement soon, which I dare say a lot of people will be very pleased to hear.
• 29:35
  SPEAKER_09: Um but um not the crooks.
• 29:38
  SPEAKER_09: Uh especially the crooks.
• 29:39
  SPEAKER_09: Um, but uh yeah, I still love riding bikes.
• 29:42
  SPEAKER_09: I've been doing it 45 years now, and uh look, as soon as I'm uh as soon as I uh turn that key and I'm off, it's game on.
• 29:49
  SPEAKER_09: And um and as I say, just going back to what I said, it's a chance to uh uh I suppose give back to the community and to uh to do something that's good, right wrongs, catch crooks, and all the right things, and I'm still enjoying it, still smiling.
• 30:01
  SPEAKER_09: So uh yeah.
• 30:02
  SPEAKER_12: That's amazing.
• 30:03
  SPEAKER_12: Um is there anything like in terms of um I don't know?
• 30:09
  SPEAKER_12: Trying to think.
• 30:11
  SPEAKER_12: Is there any any sort of advice you would have to for those who maybe uh breaking the law and they see a m a an officer on a motorcycle behind them, what's your advice for that person?
• 30:27
  SPEAKER_09: Look, uh I think the best advice I can give is that we we're we're not demons.
• 30:33
  SPEAKER_09: Um we are human beings.
• 30:34
  SPEAKER_09: The core, the core in fact, the definition of a police officer is a police officer is a member of the public.
• 30:39
  SPEAKER_09: They are literally a member of the public, they're mums, dads, all everything else, and they're not that far different from you.
• 30:43
  SPEAKER_09: Sometimes though, you know, uh, you know, I'm gonna drop the C word right now and say consequence.
• 30:49
  SPEAKER_09: There are consequences for everything.
• 30:51
  SPEAKER_09: Um and sometimes you might just have to ride those.
• 30:53
  SPEAKER_09: And if we come away thinking just do you know what?
• 30:56
  SPEAKER_09: He was right, maybe I shouldn't have done that.
• 30:58
  SPEAKER_09: Let's just move on.
• 30:59
  SPEAKER_09: You know, we all come in the world the same way.
• 31:01
  SPEAKER_09: No one's got past pre-designed pre-written for them.
• 31:05
  SPEAKER_09: You've just got to do the right thing.
• 31:06
  SPEAKER_09: And um that you'll probably find that if you do the right thing, um uh life becomes miraculously more easier for you.
• 31:13
  SPEAKER_09: As I say, I'm just an ordinary guy.
• 31:14
  SPEAKER_09: I started off in a children's home and uh here I am just doing what I want to do, being part of the community and having that option available to me.
• 31:22
  SPEAKER_09: And um, yeah, just you know, copy it on the chin if you're if you're in the wrong and um just try and be the best version of yourself you can be.
• 31:29
  SPEAKER_12: Yeah, yeah.
• 31:30
  SPEAKER_12: I think that's that's really great advice.
• 31:33
  SPEAKER_12: Um like a road road poet as well.
• 31:36
  SPEAKER_12: Just wax lyrical.
• 31:38
  SPEAKER_12: You've got advice for people.
• 31:39
  SPEAKER_12: There's the humor aspect.
• 31:41
  SPEAKER_09: Jack Karowak on two wheels.
• 31:42
  SPEAKER_09: There you go.
• 31:43
  SPEAKER_09: I love that.
• 31:43
  SPEAKER_09: I love that.
• 31:44
  SPEAKER_12: That's brilliant.
• 31:46
  SPEAKER_12: Um, okay.
• 31:47
  SPEAKER_12: Well, uh, thank you so much for your time on the podcast today.
• 31:51
  SPEAKER_09: Thank you so much for having me, Joey, and the team here.
• 31:53
  SPEAKER_09: Thank you so much.
• 31:54
  SPEAKER_12: Okay, in honor of you and your efforts, Officer Wolf.
• 31:56
  SPEAKER_12: I'm going to try and cobble together Hungry Like the Wolf to take us out of this segment.
• 32:01
  SPEAKER_08: Hold on, Joey.
• 32:02
  SPEAKER_08: We've spoken about a number of really unusual and challenging jobs.
• 32:06
  SPEAKER_12: Okay, yeah, so.
• 32:07
  SPEAKER_08: So maybe it should be really unusual and challenging cover of Hungry Like the Wolf.
• 32:14
  SPEAKER_12: Alright, so I'm not loving this, but what do you got in mind?
• 32:17
  SPEAKER_08: A cross between elevator music and Or maybe a 1980s Nintendo soundtrack.
• 32:24
  SPEAKER_08: With sitar?
• 32:25
  SPEAKER_12: Guitar.
• 32:26
  SPEAKER_08: No, sitar, the traditional Indian instrument.
• 32:29
  SPEAKER_12: You guys kidding me?
• 32:30
  SPEAKER_11: Uh didn't he ride a motorcycle through an arcade to be?
• 32:34
  SPEAKER_12: Okay, alright, alright.
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_12: I'll give it a crack.
• 32:37
  SPEAKER_12: Here's Duran Duran's hungry like the wolf in an elevator on a Nintendo game in the 80s with a sitar.
• 32:45
  SPEAKER_08: This is confidential.
• 33:03
  SPEAKER_08: Police and bagpipes have gone hand in hand in or pipe in bag.
• 33:08
  SPEAKER_08: Pipe in bag for generations.
• 33:11
  SPEAKER_08: But few people have taken to that tradition.
• 33:13
  SPEAKER_08: Um, from leading bands and representing WA Police to performing in some truly unique locations, Alistair has a story that is anything but ordinary.
• 33:23
  SPEAKER_08: Alistair is here with us today to talk a little bit about being behind the pipes and a remarkable career that has followed.
• 33:30
  SPEAKER_12: Yeah.
• 33:30
  SPEAKER_12: So Alistair, um you were a member of the WA Police Pipe Band, which features on this podcast at least once every week and a very popular segment, by the way.
• 33:40
  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 33:41
  SPEAKER_00: Um for how many years?
• 33:43
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so this will show my age now.
• 33:45
  SPEAKER_00: So um, so I I actually joined the police uh force or service that was back then um in 1997.
• 33:53
  SPEAKER_00: Uh and I was fresh out of Trinity College, which is just across the road there from headquarters here.
• 33:58
  SPEAKER_00: And um, yeah, basically the band at the time was uh planning to go to the Edinburgh Tattoo.
• 34:06
  SPEAKER_00: Um and that was probably the that was the second trip for the Embra Tattoo for the police band at the that time, and they were recruiting uh uh young, young aspiring pipers and drummers within the community, and and so that was one of my aspirations as a as a junior piper was to one day get the chance to do that, and it came really early doors out of out of school.
• 34:29
  SPEAKER_00: So the the police department gave me the that opportunity to to achieve something like that.
• 34:34
  SPEAKER_00: So that's how it came about.
• 34:35
  SPEAKER_00: And so I was in the band.
• 34:37
  SPEAKER_12: And and the Edmiral Tattoo, for those who are listening not aware, I mean it's kind of like it's like the Wimbledon of piping, isn't it?
• 34:44
  SPEAKER_12: It's like it's it's it's right up there.
• 34:46
  SPEAKER_00: It's it's yeah, it's it's probably has a global audience in the millions, um, you know, and then outside of that, uh in August, a lot of people think it's just one show, but it's actually 26 shows in in three over three weeks.
• 35:02
  SPEAKER_00: So we're performing um every night, uh, two shows on the Saturday, and we really need to get the Saturday off to sort of recover, and then we kick straight back in on the Monday.
• 35:10
  SPEAKER_00: So it's pretty full on for that length of time.
• 35:13
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, pretty much the big the biggest event we can perform in as as performers on international stage.
• 35:18
  SPEAKER_12: Now, the one of the reasons that we've got you on um on the pod is very topical.
• 35:23
  SPEAKER_12: Uh for those who are maybe listening from outside of Australia, uh, last week we referenced um AFL, Australian Football League, I believe it stands for.
• 35:35
  SPEAKER_12: As you can see, I'm probably not I'm not from Western Australia originally, so this is this was a something I I came to appreciate as an as an older older person.
• 35:44
  SPEAKER_12: Uh, but it is a fantastic, dynamic game.
• 35:46
  SPEAKER_12: And the team that from Western Australia at the moment that maybe has a shot at at winning the whole championship, if you will, kit and caboodle, grand final.
• 35:56
  SPEAKER_12: The grand final, yeah.
• 35:58
  SPEAKER_12: Yep, yep, yeah.
• 35:59
  SPEAKER_12: We're all learning here.
• 36:00
  SPEAKER_12: Uh is the Fremetal Dockers.
• 36:03
  SPEAKER_12: You happen to be somewhat associated with the Fremetal Dockers these days, don't you aren't you?
• 36:08
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so part of my role along with a uh guitarist is sort of like the pre-game hype.
• 36:14
  SPEAKER_00: Um we've sort of we see ourselves as like the the I don't know, what's it, 19th and 20th member of the of the team.
• 36:22
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and our role is very short at the start of the game, is is really to get the crowd pumped up and uh and hopefully give the players a boost and maybe scare off the team that's that's that's here at Optus.
• 36:34
  SPEAKER_00: Um it's worked pretty much most most well majority of the season.
• 36:39
  SPEAKER_00: Last week was probably a little, probably would call that a blip.
• 36:42
  SPEAKER_00: Um but yeah, it's amazing.
• 36:44
  SPEAKER_00: Um so um I'm I'm a new addition to this sort of pre-game hype for 2026.
• 36:50
  SPEAKER_00: Um and it really came about through uh Troy the guitarist um who I've known for a while, just just through you know ACDC links, you know, we we're they're looking for Piper, so I've done a few gigs with him in the past.
• 37:04
  SPEAKER_12: Um so you're playing, you are playing ACDC, aren't you?
• 37:07
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely, yeah.
• 37:08
  SPEAKER_00: Long way to the top.
• 37:09
  SPEAKER_00: Uh Troy actually starts off with with Hell's Bells and then it um and then it sort of warps into into Long Way to the Top.
• 37:17
  SPEAKER_00: And look, it's it's it's been amazing.
• 37:18
  SPEAKER_00: It's you know performing in front of uh what's it been averaging?
• 37:21
  SPEAKER_00: I think it's like 57,000 people, and then it's been boost, it's been pushing up uh as the games go on.
• 37:27
  SPEAKER_00: So you do feel like a bit of a rock star up there, high above the crowd.
• 37:31
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 37:31
  SPEAKER_12: Well I think we've I don't know if we've actually addressed that.
• 37:33
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah, you're not standing out on the oval, I guess.
• 37:36
  SPEAKER_08: You've got kind of like this premium scene up there.
• 37:38
  SPEAKER_00: Where are you performing from?
• 37:40
  SPEAKER_00: So um there's a section right up on the roof.
• 37:43
  SPEAKER_00: Um there, I think they call it like the walkway, but anyway, it's it's sort of it sticks out from the roof of the of Optus.
• 37:50
  SPEAKER_00: So you're you're going out in probably about a meter-wide uh grating that sort of loops around.
• 37:58
  SPEAKER_00: Um so you can see through it.
• 38:00
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and yeah, I mean it it is intimidating when you walk out there because you you you can fall other side, but you're harnessed in safety, harnessed, of course, uh to a track, a tracking that's running above you.
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_00: But you know, you won't fall off if you did, but it's but it's it's a mental thing of of uh perception of feeling like the bottom.
• 38:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, a long way to the bottom.
• 38:24
  SPEAKER_12: Yeah, on top of Optus Stadium playing ACDC, that's pretty cool to tens of thousands of of uh of people, fans, football fans.
• 38:32
  SPEAKER_08: Were you um scared the first time?
• 38:33
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah, I'm not good with hype.
• 38:34
  SPEAKER_00: Oh no, and I keep putting myself in these positions as well because like like I said um to Joe the other other week there um uh Thursday last week, obviously Optus game at uh here in Perth, but a week a week before that I was standing uh other on the ramparts of Edinburgh Castle playing, so it was quite cool.
• 38:53
  SPEAKER_00: But having done the Optus gig, when I was in Edinburgh doing the Lone Piper gig, uh it actually didn't feel as high up on Edinburgh Castle than standing at Optus Stadium, which is pretty pretty weird.
• 39:06
  SPEAKER_12: Now I I I would never wish this upon you, but I I hope you're wearing that harness.
• 39:09
  SPEAKER_12: If you do, if you do somehow slip, obviously that will save you, which is great, fantastic.
• 39:15
  SPEAKER_12: If if it does so happen that you do slip, if you're able to instantly slip into free falling by Tom Petty of the heart practice on the way down, very, very cool because you'll be yeah, or Catch Me I'm Falling.
• 39:28
  SPEAKER_12: I don't remember who sings it.
• 39:30
  SPEAKER_12: Catch me unfalling.
• 39:31
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not sure, yeah.
• 39:32
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, we basically just end up swinging anyway.
• 39:35
  SPEAKER_00: We we do a test before we actually go out.
• 39:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 39:37
  SPEAKER_00: So we not not out in the in the middle in front of everyone, but but after we get harnessed in um the safety guys heads, they just sit down in the the harness just to make sure it's all you know tightened up.
• 39:48
  SPEAKER_00: So if you do slip, which funnily enough, on th Thursday last week, um I did, because it was wet, I did uh lose a bit of traction on the on the great and also and Jaden, the Digidoo player, was um right next to me and I nearly sort of slid into him as we we moved across.
• 40:06
  SPEAKER_00: But um it you can't actually see in the cameras, but it happened for a moment.
• 40:09
  SPEAKER_00: I would have been uh so if it went full that way, you know, I would have been uh sitting in the harness.
• 40:15
  SPEAKER_00: We have joked, actually.
• 40:16
  SPEAKER_00: Troy and I have joked on the very final game, but you know, this is obviously very serious this week.
• 40:21
  SPEAKER_00: Um, that we would go out and then just sit in the harness and rock backward and forth and play and look really different with that way.
• 40:26
  SPEAKER_00: But I don't think we'll do that this week.
• 40:28
  SPEAKER_12: Yeah, okay, all right, maybe.
• 40:29
  SPEAKER_12: How do you just uh uh I I my response to that happening would have been didgery, don't please.
• 40:35
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely, yeah.
• 40:36
  SPEAKER_00: I think we won't.
• 40:37
  SPEAKER_00: We'll leave that to a maybe a a different time.
• 40:39
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 40:40
  SPEAKER_08: I mean, there definitely are some AFL listeners that we have on the podcast.
• 40:44
  SPEAKER_08: How do you think Frio's gonna go on the weekend or Friday?
• 40:48
  SPEAKER_00: I'm quietly confident.
• 40:49
  SPEAKER_00: I know a lot of I know I know a lot of people were pretty disappointed, and and it was probably uh seen in the reaction from a lot of Frio fans.
• 40:56
  SPEAKER_00: But I I I mean, going on the team's performance off the back of the buyers this year, they haven't been great off the back of having a week's rest.
• 41:04
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm kind of hoping that that momentum of having a game last week, a game this week, and then that momentum all the way through will carry them.
• 41:12
  SPEAKER_00: So I think um and also with that thought of do or die on Friday, whereas a factor, you know, you've always got a in the back of your mind of a second chance.
• 41:21
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I just think that will make a bit of a difference um this week.
• 41:24
  SPEAKER_00: Um, yeah.
• 41:25
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, the last time they played Geelong at Optus was the stealth mode night, and um I had it was a pretty cool occasion because when we we had our the the stealth mode black jerseys with the the purple Vs on them.
• 41:38
  SPEAKER_00: So I think I I think I'm gonna wear that one just for a bit of good luck because they they beat the cats that night, so I may go stealth mode myself on Friday.
• 41:44
  SPEAKER_12: Well I was I was wondering if you had any you know good luck chance.
• 41:49
  SPEAKER_12: Like do I I think in the intro to this episode I actually said you know you might be the secret source here in the in the mix in uh in the up until last Thursday.
• 42:00
  SPEAKER_12: Did you do anything differently last Thursday?
• 42:02
  SPEAKER_12: Is there anything you did differently?
• 42:04
  SPEAKER_00: Uh well I well I did actually, and not not not with the playing side of things.
• 42:08
  SPEAKER_00: The playing the playing side was all the same, but um, but normally what I do is I watch I watch because I'm there at the stadium and obviously watching, I normally go upstairs after we play, put the pipes back downstairs, and then Troy and I sort of grab a beer and we're watching, we watch from just below where we're we play anyway, and uh we watch the first half.
• 42:28
  SPEAKER_00: But um this and then normally for the third half, third quarter, sorry, I'm down, I sort of stay downstairs because it's just I'm not good with sort of stuff, this sort of stuff.
• 42:37
  SPEAKER_00: The nerves are just too much.
• 42:38
  SPEAKER_00: So I'll stay down in the green room and sort of watch from there.
• 42:41
  SPEAKER_00: But um last week I stayed up and uh thought I'd watch the third quarter from up the top, and then that comeback never happened, and so I'm thinking, right, I'm not doing that again.
• 42:50
  SPEAKER_00: So this week I'm sticking to my normal routine and doing my third third quarter, what I normally have done all year round.
• 42:58
  SPEAKER_00: So that's what's going to be happening at Alistair.
• 43:00
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah, if if they win, we know why.
• 43:03
  SPEAKER_00: We know why, yes.
• 43:04
  SPEAKER_12: We know why.
• 43:05
  SPEAKER_12: Absolutely.
• 43:06
  SPEAKER_12: That's really cool, mate.
• 43:08
  SPEAKER_12: So um yeah.
• 43:09
  SPEAKER_12: Alright, okay.
• 43:10
  SPEAKER_12: Well, look, we I you know for anyone who's listening, you will probably you probably have seen Alistair, I would say, if you've if you've watched a game.
• 43:19
  SPEAKER_12: Um and certainly we'll be seeing him again uh for the as you put it, do or die uh showdown.
• 43:28
  SPEAKER_12: So look, um let's say let's say they do win.
• 43:34
  SPEAKER_12: What what can we what sort of promise pledge, some sort of incentive that we can get from you?
• 43:42
  SPEAKER_12: Um I'm just trying to think.
• 43:46
  SPEAKER_12: You said maybe playing it swinging in the harness, it sounds a bit dangerous.
• 43:50
  SPEAKER_12: I'm not sure.
• 43:51
  SPEAKER_00: I think if we get as far as the MCG, it'd be pretty awesome to get that far across, uh or to go across for the grand final.
• 43:58
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not trying to think that.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_00: Far ahead of the year, but there you know it would be quite nice to do something at the MCG, I think, because that that's sort of been a really cool thing for the team this year.
• 44:07
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but yeah, I don't know if I could swing the harness that way.
• 44:10
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe it's maybe game one next season.
• 44:13
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe maybe we could try something like that.
• 44:15
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but yeah, we can't wear kilts either up there.
• 44:18
  SPEAKER_00: We did they did they did try that, but um not not try it, but the harness is awkward, and uh they did a funny enough, they did a test to see if they could see through the grading from underneath for the for the crowd that sits below.
• 44:30
  SPEAKER_00: So that was a negative.
• 44:32
  SPEAKER_12: So that would have been a very different sort of show you're putting on the show.
• 44:37
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely, yeah, and they're no PG anymore.
• 44:39
  SPEAKER_12: So yeah.
• 44:40
  SPEAKER_12: Okay, all right.
• 44:41
  SPEAKER_12: Um well let's let's assume that at some point in time um you're you know potentially gonna play not on the platform somewhere else for a football team.
• 44:52
  SPEAKER_12: Hopefully the Dockers.
• 44:55
  SPEAKER_12: Maybe we can get some sort of pledge from you that you'll be wearing operation pod uh sorry that some sort of pledge from you that you'll be wearing uh WA police confidential underwear under the kilt.
• 45:08
  SPEAKER_12: Um possibly.
• 45:12
  SPEAKER_12: Everyone will always be wondering now, is he or isn't he?
• 45:17
  SPEAKER_12: Yeah.
• 45:17
  SPEAKER_12: Thank you so much for coming on, mate.
• 45:19
  SPEAKER_12: We really appreciate it.
• 45:20
  SPEAKER_00: No, it's been great.
• 45:20
  SPEAKER_00: If you're at the if anyone's also at the I'm also playing at the AFL W Dockers games, so the ones out at Coburn, so they're they're bringing their uh there's been a good call or reaction to it, so they're involving us in the in the women's games out at uh Coburn as well.
• 45:35
  SPEAKER_00: So I'll be there on Sunday.
• 45:37
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I think they play Essendon.
• 45:38
  SPEAKER_00: So not as high.
• 45:40
  SPEAKER_00: We don't play, we don't play high up.
• 45:42
  SPEAKER_12: I felt like we had um an AFLW player in the Douro Police Force.
• 45:48
  SPEAKER_12: There you go.
• 45:49
  SPEAKER_12: There you go.
• 45:49
  SPEAKER_12: Yep, no, that's incredible.
• 45:51
  SPEAKER_12: Well, go go to Frio.
• 45:54
  SPEAKER_12: Um we we fingers crossed, um we'll we'll hopefully you'll stick with your routine.
• 46:01
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 46:02
  SPEAKER_00: I'm quietly confident.
• 46:03
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 46:04
  SPEAKER_00: And then buck will be my own words, we'll see.
• 46:07
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 46:07
  SPEAKER_08: This is confidential.
• 46:17
  SPEAKER_12: Welcome back to Confidential.
• 46:19
  SPEAKER_12: Well, we in our blue family here in Western Australia are very lucky that there are some people who have served for decades.
• 46:27
  SPEAKER_12: Um, and amongst that cohort of people who have served for a very long time, um, there are some absolute legends who, like the one you're about to hear from, despite having been promoted to commissioned officer level, still like to get out there on the tools every now and then.
• 46:47
  SPEAKER_12: Um Inspector Vic Hussey, who did five years in the UK in London and then did another 36 years here with the West Australian Police Force, has this week called time on his career with the Blue family, but it has been an extraordinary career.
• 47:04
  SPEAKER_12: He's got a whole bunch of stories.
• 47:06
  SPEAKER_12: Vic, um, can I just start by asking quickly, how old are you, mate?
• 47:11
  SPEAKER_03: Uh Joey, I actually feel probably a lot older than I am, but that's another story altogether.
• 47:17
  SPEAKER_03: So I'm uh 63, 63 years old.
• 47:20
  SPEAKER_03: I'm 64 in November.
• 47:22
  SPEAKER_03: Yep.
• 47:22
  SPEAKER_03: And um, and as you said, so 41 years as a police officer.
• 47:27
  SPEAKER_03: Um, even though I love it and I and I love every day, and I and I think and I thought about this on the way here today, I think I love it as much as the day that I started.
• 47:38
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 47:38
  SPEAKER_03: Um, yeah, so yeah, an age for me, touch wood, uh, I've been pretty lucky, you know, sort of to to remain relatively fit, contrary to what my wife might say.
• 47:50
  SPEAKER_03: Um, yeah, so uh yeah, I I love the job.
• 47:53
  SPEAKER_03: I've loved the job, but 41 years, long time.
• 47:55
  SPEAKER_03: Now it's the time to to uh do stuff while I still can do stuff.
• 48:00
  SPEAKER_12: Absolutely.
• 48:01
  SPEAKER_12: Now, 60, almost 64, you said 63.
• 48:04
  SPEAKER_12: Uh more than 40 years in the job.
• 48:05
  SPEAKER_12: You're at an inspector, so you're a commission officer level.
• 48:08
  SPEAKER_12: A lot of a lot of people would expect that you're, you know, you're behind the desk, um, you're using your knowledge and your experience to to to lead from from that environment.
• 48:17
  SPEAKER_12: Can I just ask you, when was the last time you tasted somebody?
• 48:21
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, why do you have to ask this question?
• 48:24
  SPEAKER_03: Um there was a lot of a big deal made about this yesterday, but you might also say, when was the last time that I chased somebody on foot, which is about the same time.
• 48:33
  SPEAKER_03: Um so I did I tasted somebody uh probably six weeks ago.
• 48:39
  SPEAKER_03: So there was a firearms incident.
• 48:41
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and so I responded to the incident, got there.
• 48:45
  SPEAKER_03: I was probably the second or maybe third vehicle there, and you know, said to the guys what we needed to happen as far as the cordon to try and contain where this person was because the the firearms risk.
• 48:56
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, obviously the call was in respect to somebody armed with a firearm.
• 49:00
  SPEAKER_03: And um uh ultimately going to the end of the story, uh the person had been on the roof, jumped off the roof into a backyard, another officer went in front of me.
• 49:09
  SPEAKER_03: Um, we couldn't see, couldn't see the front of the person, you just see the person from behind.
• 49:14
  SPEAKER_03: It looked like they had a baseball bat in one hand, it looked like they were highly agitated.
• 49:19
  SPEAKER_03: And um, long story short, they ended up trying to smash through a fence.
• 49:24
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, the officer next to me fired a taser, which hit the backpack they were wearing.
• 49:29
  SPEAKER_12: Yep.
• 49:30
  SPEAKER_03: Um, but not effective, not effective.
• 49:32
  SPEAKER_03: No, that's right.
• 49:33
  SPEAKER_03: That wasn't obviously it worked, I but you know, I worked out that that was an issue.
• 49:37
  SPEAKER_03: So I'd stood to one side and um made contact, the person went down.
• 49:42
  SPEAKER_03: But then unfortunately, the off the other officer that was at the scene, um, he had his one hand and was trying to handcuff him, but the other hand, the right hand was underneath the person's body.
• 49:53
  SPEAKER_12: Oh, so you've tased him, he's gone down, but you don't know what he's reaching for if he's got something in his hand.
• 49:59
  SPEAKER_03: So you could be a gun.
• 50:00
  SPEAKER_03: Correct.
• 50:00
  SPEAKER_03: You so you couldn't see the front of the person, their right hand was uh, you know, along their sort of waistline, and you know, the other officer was struggling with him on the floor.
• 50:10
  SPEAKER_03: Obviously, I've got the taser and I'm sort of there to provide that control.
• 50:14
  SPEAKER_03: So you know, it ended up that the person got tasered several times until other officers arrived.
• 50:21
  SPEAKER_03: Um, but you know, uh there was a lot of big, you know, a lot of deal made about this yesterday, but that's what you have to do, you know.
• 50:28
  SPEAKER_03: If you're there and you're faced with that scenario, I always say to to the guys that I've always worked with, because it is easier as you are a police officer for a number of years, to become complacent and to say somebody's phoned up and they've said there's a firearm, and but that's the reality of being out there.
• 50:45
  SPEAKER_03: So I don't think it matters if you're an inspector or or what rank.
• 50:50
  SPEAKER_03: Um, it was like the other day I was driving past the Crown Casino on my way to a uh a house where there'd been an explosion.
• 50:58
  SPEAKER_03: This is probably two or three months ago, and um somebody had attacked a car um with a crowbar and was and there was a person who was armed with a knife at the crown.
• 51:08
  SPEAKER_03: And I I got to that again first, car there, and that sort of escalated, and everybody, you know, I think everybody gets to hear me on the radio and sort of shakes their head and comes to sort of back me up.
• 51:22
  SPEAKER_03: But that ended up with a couple of people arrested, and then while they were being arrested, we could see in the distance um a a man attack a woman who then fell to the floor, and then he attacked her when she was on the ground.
• 51:37
  SPEAKER_03: So other officers then, because I obviously then left the two arrests that we had, um, I went then to sort of get involved with that incident, and then one of the offenders took off and ran down towards the Swan River and along the river, and then I was on my own.
• 51:55
  SPEAKER_03: So I had to chase because he had a head start, he was halfway, halfway across the car park.
• 52:00
  SPEAKER_03: So he had a head start, so I had to run after him, and and for all of us, and this is the thing about you know, Inspector whatever, age 60.
• 52:08
  SPEAKER_03: Now, when you're wearing all of your gear and your body armor and everything else, and I wear exactly the same as everybody else does on the body.
• 52:14
  SPEAKER_03: It's a bit tend to be a little bit of a bit of weight, isn't it?
• 52:17
  SPEAKER_03: And I am in my mid-60s, and um again, as my wife would say, I'm probably covering a few more kilos than I should be.
• 52:25
  SPEAKER_03: We're talking about the body armor still though, right?
• 52:27
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, that's right, that's right.
• 52:29
  SPEAKER_03: But um, but I but I had to chase him, um, you know, so um yeah, so that was fine.
• 52:34
  SPEAKER_03: We caught him, still wasn't going to get away.
• 52:36
  SPEAKER_03: And that's I think that's that that's the thing for me that has kept me um kept me as interested as being in the job.
• 52:43
  SPEAKER_03: So as a commission officer, as an inspector, you know, you have got um uh corporate responsibilities and and and and leadership and management.
• 52:52
  SPEAKER_03: But also at the end of the day, if the if the job's on, if there's something that needs to be done, then you need to do it.
• 52:57
  SPEAKER_03: And and really, you know, I've always said that I'll never ever, I never would ask anyone to do something that I wouldn't do.
• 53:04
  SPEAKER_03: So um if there's a job on and somebody's going to the job on their own, you know, particularly with the canine guys, I always used to try to be with there with them.
• 53:12
  SPEAKER_03: And if they got out of the car on their own, I'd go with them on foot.
• 53:16
  SPEAKER_03: Um, you know, you you need to do that.
• 53:18
  SPEAKER_03: You need to be prepared to put yourself out there at the front and um, you know, try and be as eager and as keen as you can and offer that leadership and direction.
• 53:28
  SPEAKER_03: Um, but I don't think it, I don't think rank, I don't think rank is a barrier for that.
• 53:32
  SPEAKER_12: I love that.
• 53:33
  SPEAKER_12: Um, I think it was the commissioner of police, Cole Blanch, who said you uh perhaps maybe the the best use of taxpayer funds that that that anyone's ever seen.
• 53:41
  SPEAKER_12: You are just in the mix all the time.
• 53:44
  SPEAKER_03: I'm not sure my superintendent would probably agree with that.
• 53:48
  SPEAKER_03: We had a we had an we had a nice discussion yesterday, sort of my last day, and sort of you know, the day before we might have had a heated discussion about something else.
• 53:56
  SPEAKER_03: And because that's what you do, that's the role of an inspector, you know.
• 54:00
  SPEAKER_03: The inspector, it it's their job to be honest and frank, and that bridge between uh the frontline staff and uh and the commissioned officers, you know.
• 54:10
  SPEAKER_03: So um it was good, you know.
• 54:12
  SPEAKER_03: And he said to me 99.99% of the time, it's oh great, you know, I know Vic's there, but but then there's always a 0.1% of the time that he goes, What on earth do you do that for?
• 54:21
  SPEAKER_03: And hey, I'll put my hands up to that.
• 54:22
  SPEAKER_03: That's life.
• 54:23
  SPEAKER_03: That's life.
• 54:24
  SPEAKER_12: I uh was there another story um about something to do with a gun and and you jumping in the car and a in a solo police pursuit?
• 54:33
  SPEAKER_12: Is there something something a firearms?
• 54:37
  SPEAKER_03: Oh gosh, Vic.
• 54:38
  SPEAKER_03: Oh look, there's I think that it's a thing, you know.
• 54:40
  SPEAKER_03: I and again, Joey, I was thinking about this today, you know, um, and and I was saying to one of the other officers the other day, so my history from the UK back in the 80s, back in the days when you blew in the bag for a breathalyzer and it was a plastic bag and prior mobile phones, the police cars we patrol in had no radio, as in no AMFM radio, and you patrol on your own.
• 55:05
  SPEAKER_03: So it was about encouraging you to go out there and just look for stuff, which is which is what the commissioner wants us to be doing now.
• 55:14
  SPEAKER_12: Highly visible policing.
• 55:16
  SPEAKER_03: Of course, and and of course, we've got many advantages now over what we had previously with technology, with AMPR cameras and the great work that the guys that I have been working with at SOC have done.
• 55:28
  SPEAKER_12: You know, so that's automatic number plate recognition cameras and state operations command center for people who hear at home.
• 55:34
  SPEAKER_03: No, that's all right, it's okay.
• 55:35
  SPEAKER_03: So um we have now got the ability to track when we need to, if if a vehicle is stolen or it's involved in something.
• 55:46
  SPEAKER_03: And it's and it's always been an interesting scenario.
• 55:49
  SPEAKER_03: People in the past have said, Oh, why do we go around chasing um uh stolen cars?
• 55:54
  SPEAKER_03: Well, particularly the middle of the night, I would always say to people, well, those people in the stolen cars, they're not out collecting for the Red Cross, they're out there up to mischief.
• 56:04
  SPEAKER_03: And I would always tend to unfortunately find stolen cars, and I would find you'd see a car, and it's it's from 40 odd years of experience.
• 56:15
  SPEAKER_03: You'd see a car and you would see something and you would think that's not quite right.
• 56:20
  SPEAKER_03: And nine times out of ten, that was the case.
• 56:24
  SPEAKER_03: So there have been lots of instances where I've chased after chased after cars and and and caught crooks and sometimes been reminded, because I've done it recently, that maybe that's not the job of a commission officer.
• 56:36
  SPEAKER_03: And I would probably agree with it, but if you're there and it's happening, then you know what are you gonna do?
• 56:40
  SPEAKER_03: You're a police officer.
• 56:42
  SPEAKER_12: I love that.
• 56:43
  SPEAKER_12: I just love that.
• 56:44
  SPEAKER_12: Now, it important to note, important to note that you know you you you have been um you've had your stellar career and you have been really active and you have caught a lot of crooks and and it is extremely admirable.
• 56:56
  SPEAKER_12: Police have all these checks and balances, of course, um, because we do have extraordinary powers.
• 57:02
  SPEAKER_12: Um, there are there, yeah, you guys are armed, tasers, guns, that sort of thing.
• 57:06
  SPEAKER_12: Um so you know, you do have, you know, your corruption and crime commission, those sorts of people.
• 57:11
  SPEAKER_12: There's internal processes that look at all these things.
• 57:13
  SPEAKER_12: And I just want to say for the record that that you've done some extremely excellent policing, and and rightfully so, there's always been look everybody has always looked at um when they're involved in a car chase or or a critical incident where where a taser's drawn or a gun.
• 57:28
  SPEAKER_12: These things are exempt.
• 57:29
  SPEAKER_12: And I just want to say that uh Vic Vic has uh and you know, as the vast majority of officers never had any issues.
• 57:37
  SPEAKER_03: And look, and it is quite right, you know, that we have uh powers and um and it is up to people to examine what we do.
• 57:46
  SPEAKER_03: Um and I I I wouldn't be honest if I wasn't saying, and and it's probably not just from uh from me that that a lot of people don't like it and and and find it quite stressful.
• 57:57
  SPEAKER_03: Of course.
• 57:58
  SPEAKER_03: And and and I'm also the same.
• 58:00
  SPEAKER_03: And um, and there have been a number of instances.
• 58:03
  SPEAKER_03: I was again yesterday talking about things where there was an incident that I went to that a person had threatened somebody with a firearm.
• 58:11
  SPEAKER_03: And um, and again, I got there just about the first car, this is a couple of years ago, and the person came out of the house and I drew my firearm.
• 58:20
  SPEAKER_03: And and again, how many commission officers have drawn their firearm?
• 58:24
  SPEAKER_03: Um, you know, sort of so that then sort of sparked a a um an avalanche of uh of things, and then people start to look for other things, and that's fine, and and you know, and and and and it's upsetting for all of us at the time, and it's stressful, uh, and and that's and that's life, and you can't escape from that.
• 58:45
  SPEAKER_03: Um, it isn't enjoyable, um, you know, so all but all you ask for is that everybody is um you know investigated and treated um appropriately and fairly.
• 58:54
  SPEAKER_12: And I think look, and and if we're being serious, you know, police these days, and you would know because you've seen you've seen over the years the way that that um these processes have developed.
• 59:04
  SPEAKER_12: I would let me put it as a question.
• 59:07
  SPEAKER_12: Were police under the same level of scrutiny when you joined as they are now?
• 59:11
  SPEAKER_12: Like how would you describe the difference between scrutiny from when you were younger to to to now?
• 59:16
  SPEAKER_03: No, not at all.
• 59:17
  SPEAKER_03: Uh not at all.
• 59:17
  SPEAKER_03: So there was nothing like the level of of scrutiny that we have now, and and I think community expectations have changed as well.
• 59:24
  SPEAKER_03: I think the public uh quite rightly expect, you know, they pay our wages realistically, uh, and we're there to do a job.
• 59:34
  SPEAKER_03: And, you know, people phone police and they expect police to be there, and they expect us to be professional and treat people in an appropriate way.
• 59:43
  SPEAKER_03: And 99.99% of the time that's what happens.
• 59:47
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, but when you are involved in things that uh that are uh risky, uh whether or not it's emergency driving or it's a use of force or your conduct or how you behave towards a person, you're always going to be um open to scrutiny.
• 1:00:03
  SPEAKER_03: And of course, that body warm video as well um allows people to actually see what is being said and what's happening at the time.
• 1:00:11
  SPEAKER_03: So that's that's that's probably a a a good thing.
• 1:00:15
  SPEAKER_12: Um it's still hard though.
• 1:00:17
  SPEAKER_12: It's hard to have having those questions.
• 1:00:19
  SPEAKER_03: It is because the the the thing is that what you see and what you think and from your own individual experience is sometimes why you do what you do.
• 1:00:30
  SPEAKER_03: Uh and it's easy for someone else to look at something and say, you shouldn't have done that, or you could have done that differently, or why did you do that?
• 1:00:39
  SPEAKER_03: And um, you know, we were talking the other day about emergency driving and and you know, responding to an incident, and and there's a lot to think about when you're driving a motor car.
• 1:00:51
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and and of course, number one thing is you want to be safe, and you want to be safe for yourself and and the rest of the public.
• 1:00:57
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and when you're doing that, that that then exposes you to other elements of risk.
• 1:01:03
  SPEAKER_03: So, yeah, there is a scrutiny.
• 1:01:06
  SPEAKER_03: We've got body warm video now, everybody takes it everything apart.
• 1:01:09
  SPEAKER_03: So um I think it's expected, and I think it's um it's just something that will continue for the future and people will get used to it.
• 1:01:18
  SPEAKER_12: I think I think um we there's been instances where we've taken people who maybe they're stakeholders in in in this space in community safety or justice, um, and we've taken them to the academy, and there's a particular part of the training, I think, where I think it's is it is it called the red man?
• 1:01:36
  SPEAKER_03: Uh the the red man, uh the the suit, yeah, yeah.
• 1:01:38
  SPEAKER_12: Where somebody basically runs around a corner, perhaps they're holding a weapon, maybe they're not.
• 1:01:43
  SPEAKER_12: You have uh a gun, or at least in this case, it's you know it's a training, training pistol, and you know, you have that split second decision making to make.
• 1:01:52
  SPEAKER_12: Is this somebody who's trying to hurt me or a member of the community?
• 1:01:55
  SPEAKER_12: Are they holding a uh an axe or are they holding an umbrella?
• 1:01:57
  SPEAKER_12: And are they a victim or someone needs help or someone with mental health issues, or is it an assailant?
• 1:02:03
  SPEAKER_12: And it's been really it's always quite interesting um afterwards because you do find people who are very critical of police who will have unloaded the entire magazine into somebody who's not holding any weapon.
• 1:02:15
  SPEAKER_12: Because it is so difficult in that moment, isn't it?
• 1:02:17
  SPEAKER_03: It is, it is, Joey.
• 1:02:18
  SPEAKER_03: But I think also that when you're actually there in the scene and at the at the time, and you look at and and in that state operations center, the officers there can look at body warm video and see at the time what's happening.
• 1:02:32
  SPEAKER_03: And when it's the middle of the night and you're miles away from anybody else, and you're on your own at an incident and something's happening, there's also the fear that the individual has got.
• 1:02:43
  SPEAKER_03: So it's all okay to go and have a scenario where you know there's a there's a person or there's a figure and you have to discharge your firearm or discharge a taser, but try adding to that.
• 1:02:55
  SPEAKER_03: It's the middle of the night, you've been on duty for you know four or five shifts, you're tired, um, something's happened, you've chased after a person, your adrenaline is running, and you know, you're you're you're faced with the scene, and that is the reality.
• 1:03:10
  SPEAKER_03: And I can look at my career and say that I've met some wonderful people, but I've also met the worst of people.
• 1:03:16
  SPEAKER_03: The best and the worst.
• 1:03:18
  SPEAKER_03: And I've seen the best and worst of of incidents.
• 1:03:22
  SPEAKER_03: Um, so that's the the the thing, and there's there needs to be an acknowledgement of that.
• 1:03:28
  SPEAKER_03: But again, you know, we are responsible, and and if we do the wrong thing, then we expect to be um held accountable for that.
• 1:03:35
  SPEAKER_12: Of course, of course.
• 1:03:36
  SPEAKER_12: Um and of course, you know, we've had people here on the podcast like uh Sergeant Josh Otton, who recently was talking about how if uh he was chasing a a um uh an outlaw motorcycle gang associate who was armed with a handgun and he stuck his head over a fence.
• 1:03:54
  SPEAKER_12: The guy attempted to pull the trigger, but there was it was um it jammed.
• 1:04:00
  SPEAKER_12: And he said that was it, like it would have been it for me.
• 1:04:03
  SPEAKER_12: And you know, there are those instances.
• 1:04:04
  SPEAKER_12: And it sort of brings me to the next point.
• 1:04:06
  SPEAKER_12: You you have this um incredible um uh reputation, rightfully so, within the agency for being one of the biggest champions of the wall-to-wall ride.
• 1:04:15
  SPEAKER_12: Um, and for those at home who don't who don't know, we have our our wall of remembrance for those police officers and and those who've who served and and been killed in the light of line of duty, protecting our community.
• 1:04:25
  SPEAKER_12: We have one here in Western Australia.
• 1:04:27
  SPEAKER_12: Uh, there is a national wall of remembrance too.
• 1:04:30
  SPEAKER_12: And Vic, you have for quite some time made the ride between the two, am I right?
• 1:04:36
  SPEAKER_03: That's right.
• 1:04:37
  SPEAKER_03: So annually um in September there is a national ceremony at the Memorial Wall in Canberra.
• 1:04:44
  SPEAKER_03: And since 2010, each Australian policing jurisdiction has had a contingent uh ride from their own state memorial.
• 1:04:53
  SPEAKER_03: And the object of the ride is that if somebody's passed away on duty, that they would carry a baton, and in the baton you place the name of an officer that has died on duty.
• 1:05:06
  SPEAKER_03: You then convey that on a motorcycle through to the memorial wall in Canberra.
• 1:05:11
  SPEAKER_03: So yeah, so I've been doing that for a few years now.
• 1:05:14
  SPEAKER_03: This year obviously we're taking another name on the on the roll, and and we've taken a couple previously, and that's never, you know, never anything that you would ever hope to uh to happen.
• 1:05:24
  SPEAKER_03: Um but I think yeah, I think it's an important thing to do.
• 1:05:27
  SPEAKER_03: We've done it since 2010.
• 1:05:28
  SPEAKER_03: Um I've done just about every single one of them.
• 1:05:30
  SPEAKER_03: Obviously, COVID was a hitch along the way there um for a couple of years.
• 1:05:35
  SPEAKER_03: Um, but I leave now with um uh 17 other officers on Friday.
• 1:05:40
  SPEAKER_03: So we ride um first day's big ride here to Baladonia, so it's nearly a thousand K.
• 1:05:46
  SPEAKER_03: Um, but yeah, we do that every year and we think it's a important thing to do.
• 1:05:50
  SPEAKER_03: And um we meet up then with uh everybody in Canberra.
• 1:05:53
  SPEAKER_03: There's normally about a 3,000 officers there.
• 1:05:56
  SPEAKER_03: So every jurisdiction um has a representation.
• 1:06:00
  SPEAKER_03: And um yeah, and that's that's something that I've been doing along with others for a little while now.
• 1:06:06
  SPEAKER_12: Pick um thank you so much for your service, mate.
• 1:06:08
  SPEAKER_12: Like honestly, uh there are many extraordinary officers in the agency, but you are much loved and respected by just about everyone I've ever spoken to.
• 1:06:17
  SPEAKER_12: Um can I just ask, if you get any any advice uh for younger officers that might be listening?
• 1:06:23
  SPEAKER_03: Um I think you've got to stay grounded.
• 1:06:25
  SPEAKER_03: Uh don't forget where you've come from.
• 1:06:28
  SPEAKER_03: Um and that certainly applies all the way through the ranks.
• 1:06:30
  SPEAKER_03: You should never ever forget where where you come from.
• 1:06:33
  SPEAKER_03: So um, you know, remember to treat people like you like like you would want to be treated as as a member of the public.
• 1:06:40
  SPEAKER_03: Um but always stay keen and um and don't ever have moments where you've got nothing to do.
• 1:06:48
  SPEAKER_03: Always look for something because there's always something out there to find.
• 1:06:51
  SPEAKER_12: Ladies and gentlemen, um I just want to say this is one of the legends of WA Police, Vic Hussie, and we often will get a song um played uh by our our WA police pipe band.
• 1:07:04
  SPEAKER_12: Um do you have a favourite song by any chance?
• 1:07:07
  SPEAKER_12: No.
• 1:07:08
  SPEAKER_12: Well, I'm gonna go with There's a few options.
• 1:07:11
  SPEAKER_12: I'll give you a few options.
• 1:07:12
  SPEAKER_12: Okay.
• 1:07:12
  SPEAKER_12: One, uh Ride the Lightning by Metallica, well, which is very taser-related, I think, because that's uh anecdotally, I think, what the young cop is now called.
• 1:07:21
  SPEAKER_12: Yep.
• 1:07:22
  SPEAKER_12: Um Born to Run by uh Bruce Springsteen.
• 1:07:27
  SPEAKER_12: I just think you know the the the the chase in your blood.
• 1:07:30
  SPEAKER_03: I think Born to Run is probably a good way to go.
• 1:07:32
  SPEAKER_03: Good one for your your generation?
• 1:07:33
  SPEAKER_03: I think so.
• 1:07:34
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, for definitely my age group.
• 1:07:35
  SPEAKER_12: Okay.
• 1:07:36
  SPEAKER_12: Born to Run by the WA Police Pipe Band in honor of Inspector Vic Hussey.
• 1:07:40
  SPEAKER_12: Thank you for your service, sir.
• 1:07:41
  SPEAKER_12: Thank you.
• 1:07:42
  SPEAKER_12: Thank you so much.
• 1:07:54
  SPEAKER_08: Welcome back to WA Police Confidential.
• 1:07:57
  SPEAKER_08: We are now joined with Claire for our news segment, which I've forgotten the name of.
• 1:08:01
  SPEAKER_01: It's usually bad news with Claire.
• 1:08:03
  SPEAKER_01: But I do actually have some good news this week.
• 1:08:06
  SPEAKER_01: Um, our officers up in the Kimberley have been targeting drug and alcohol um through Operation Leyland.
• 1:08:12
  SPEAKER_01: So uh they've been conducting some proactive patrols and they've charged several people actually over some separate incidents.
• 1:08:19
  SPEAKER_01: So, you know, it's all in an effort to reduce that drug and alcohol-related harm up in the Kimberley.
• 1:08:24
  SPEAKER_01: So they're doing a good job up there.
• 1:08:27
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
• 1:08:28
  SPEAKER_01: Um, in some other news, we actually do need some new officers.
• 1:08:32
  SPEAKER_01: So there's a few things that you have to tick those boxes before you can apply.
• 1:08:37
  SPEAKER_01: You have to be physically fit, strong, and capable.
• 1:08:39
  SPEAKER_01: You have to be 15.3 hands or taller, of solid build, between four and 15 years old, broken in, quiet with a fantastic temperament.
• 1:08:49
  SPEAKER_01: Any guesses?
• 1:08:50
  SPEAKER_08: I was gonna say, this sounds a bit young.
• 1:08:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, look, if you haven't already guessed, if you're listening at home, um, we're looking for some more horses for our mounted branch.
• 1:09:00
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so if you're interested, if you have a horse, if you know of a horse that could join the police force in a new bit of a career change, I suppose, um, then get in touch with us and the mounted section um details are up on our Facebook page.
• 1:09:14
  SPEAKER_01: So go and check it out.
• 1:09:16
  SPEAKER_08: Perfect.
• 1:09:16
  SPEAKER_08: And and uh anything else that's happening?
• 1:09:19
  SPEAKER_01: There is one more thing.
• 1:09:20
  SPEAKER_01: On Tuesday morning, some officers from Warwick Police Station they um responded to an interesting job, and there's a bit of a theme, I suppose, with the news segment this week, but um uh they came across a mother duck who was actually not too happy and she was going off at the officers.
• 1:09:37
  SPEAKER_01: Um, they followed her to a drain where they found four ducklings who had fallen through the grate and they were able to rescue them.
• 1:09:44
  SPEAKER_01: So, yeah, they were released back into bushland, um, and we had one very happy mother duck after that.
• 1:09:49
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  SPEAKER_12: Thank you so much for listening to another episode of uh WA Police Confidential.
• 1:10:26
  SPEAKER_12: Um, very cool stuff.
• 1:10:28
  SPEAKER_12: In fact, there was a lot in this episode that we couldn't talk about, uh, in particular with our our DPU, dignitary protection unit protection unit, the bodyguards.
• 1:10:40
  SPEAKER_12: Um we we had a list of about 50 different things that we were actually literally were not allowed to ask them, or areas we just couldn't go into for obvious reasons.
• 1:10:52
  SPEAKER_12: Um so things like just to give you a few examples, uh personal protection tactics, planning methodologies, formations, safe houses.
• 1:11:04
  SPEAKER_12: I mean, it's pretty cool stuff, isn't it?
• 1:11:07
  SPEAKER_11: There's a there's an element of mystery to what they do, and uh obviously that's for a reason.
• 1:11:11
  SPEAKER_11: Um, but uh certainly interesting what they uh what they do in their daily routine.
• 1:11:17
  SPEAKER_12: Indeed, it really, really is.
• 1:11:19
  SPEAKER_11: Um well, history fact, what do you think?
• 1:11:22
  SPEAKER_11: Yeah, I have no segue for that.
• 1:11:23
  SPEAKER_11: So I guess last week we uh we spoke about connections to Germany and World War II.
• 1:11:31
  SPEAKER_12: We we did the Nazis, we had those guys.
• 1:11:34
  SPEAKER_11: Yeah, well this one has a similar theme to it, uh, and yeah, it goes like this.
• 1:11:39
  SPEAKER_11: Look, you never really know where your hidden talents can take you, and it's the case of Sergeant Douglas Cummings, they helped save his life.
• 1:11:47
  SPEAKER_11: Okay.
• 1:11:48
  SPEAKER_11: As a teenage soldier in the British Army in World War I, he was captured by the Germans in the Battle of Som?
• 1:11:54
  SPEAKER_12: So Battles of Somme.
• 1:11:56
  SPEAKER_11: Yep.
• 1:11:56
  SPEAKER_11: He survived the deadly labor camp in Katzwinkle by developing his skills as an illustrator.
• 1:12:02
  SPEAKER_12: Catswinkle.
• 1:12:04
  SPEAKER_11: So, yeah, back then the guards would ask him to draw caricatures of unpopular senior officers, and they would reward him with extra morsels of food.
• 1:12:14
  SPEAKER_11: That's so cool.
• 1:12:15
  SPEAKER_11: Don't think that'd go down too well here at headquarters.
• 1:12:18
  SPEAKER_11: We were doing caricatures of senior officers.
• 1:12:22
  SPEAKER_11: So maybe a free coffee in the cafeteria, who knows?
• 1:12:25
  SPEAKER_11: Uh, but yeah, after the war, he immigrated to Western Australia as a soldier settler before joining the WA police force in 1922.
• 1:12:33
  SPEAKER_12: Amazing.
• 1:12:34
  SPEAKER_11: His artistic talents were again quickly recognized.
• 1:12:38
  SPEAKER_11: He was soon the official police draftsman drawing plans for traffic crashes.
• 1:12:43
  SPEAKER_12: Wow.
• 1:12:43
  SPEAKER_11: We didn't have technology back then.
• 1:12:45
  SPEAKER_12: So that was that so he was basically drawing it out for evidence, I guess.
• 1:12:49
  SPEAKER_11: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:12:50
  SPEAKER_11: But he also drew cartoons for the police column in the West Australian newspaper.
• 1:12:55
  SPEAKER_11: And designed the Pittman and Walsh Memorial, erected in 1929.
• 1:13:00
  SPEAKER_11: Which we recently revisited.
• 1:13:02
  SPEAKER_12: Yeah, we really did go back to that episode if you haven't heard it.
• 1:13:05
  SPEAKER_12: Um it's a really sad but incredible story.
• 1:13:07
  SPEAKER_11: Yeah, he he did more.
• 1:13:08
  SPEAKER_11: He designed the memorial drinking fountain at Cotterslow, which honours another police officer, Inspector John Smith, who's credited for creating the surf life-saving movement in WA.
• 1:13:20
  SPEAKER_12: I had no idea that that was the case.
• 1:13:23
  SPEAKER_12: That's so cool.
• 1:13:24
  SPEAKER_11: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:13:24
  SPEAKER_11: So the Royal West Australian Historical Society holds the originals of 56 drawings of old homesteads and his historic buildings, which Cummings later produced, uh commissioned by the Western Mail in 1939.
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  SPEAKER_11: A man of very, very high talents, uh, Mr.
• 1:13:43
  SPEAKER_11: Cummings.
• 1:13:44
  SPEAKER_11: So his high sign writing skills were employed to paint traffic signs, and off duty, he'd paint shop windows.
• 1:13:52
  SPEAKER_08: Did this guy ever go home?
• 1:13:55
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
• 1:13:56
  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
• 1:13:57
  SPEAKER_02: This guy's amazing.
• 1:13:59
  SPEAKER_11: So he did shop windows and he completed a large number of uh other artworks in 1950.
• 1:14:05
  SPEAKER_11: He was a key witness following the Amana plane crash near York, still considered one of Australia's worst, after claiming the lives of 29 on board.
• 1:14:15
  SPEAKER_11: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_11: So his role, he's he uh provided sight and wreckage diagrams that were key parts of the investigation which followed.
• 1:14:24
  SPEAKER_11: He retired finally in 1957 after 35 years in policing and lived to the age of 75.
• 1:14:34
  SPEAKER_11: Not bad for a World War I prisoner award.
• 1:14:37
  SPEAKER_08: That's incredible.
• 1:14:38
  SPEAKER_08: Amazing.
• 1:14:39
  SPEAKER_11: What a roller coaster ride! There's a lot of windows of opportunity in his life.
• 1:14:45
  SPEAKER_11: We could say that.
• 1:14:46
  SPEAKER_12: You could say that.
• 1:14:47
  SPEAKER_12: You could say that.
• 1:14:48
  SPEAKER_12: Seriously, though, I just so cool.
• 1:14:50
  SPEAKER_12: Like surf life-saving.
• 1:14:52
  SPEAKER_12: Yeah.
• 1:14:53
  SPEAKER_11: Cottage loan memorial monument.
• 1:14:55
  SPEAKER_11: Yeah, it's very, very cool.
• 1:14:57
  SPEAKER_12: We salute you.
• 1:14:58
  SPEAKER_12: We salute you, sir.
• 1:14:59
  SPEAKER_11: Yep.
• 1:14:59
  SPEAKER_08: Absolutely.
• 1:15:00
  SPEAKER_08: Now, before we wrap it up for today, I do have our little weekly quiz.
• 1:15:05
  SPEAKER_08: Um, we spoke a lot about the wolf.
• 1:15:08
  SPEAKER_08: He's out there hunting right now.
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  SPEAKER_08: So I've got a few wolf questions.
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  SPEAKER_08: How how do you guys feel about your wolf trivia?
• 1:15:15
  SPEAKER_12: Uh I'm actually, can I just be really honest?
• 1:15:17
  SPEAKER_12: My childhood fear was wolves.
• 1:15:19
  SPEAKER_12: Well, this and I believe that there were three wolves that lived in the probably 1.5 meter long hallway um in my family childhood home.
• 1:15:28
  SPEAKER_11: Was your house made of straw?
• 1:15:30
  SPEAKER_12: It was well have been.
• 1:15:34
  SPEAKER_12: But please continue.
• 1:15:35
  SPEAKER_08: Alright, so despite the common name grey wolf, what is the colour or the most common colour for the species?
• 1:15:46
  SPEAKER_12: Black.
• 1:15:47
  SPEAKER_12: Um I'll just go with white because it's just a bit different.
• 1:15:51
  SPEAKER_08: It's actually brown.
• 1:15:52
  SPEAKER_08: What?
• 1:15:53
  SPEAKER_08: Wow, okay.
• 1:15:53
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah.
• 1:15:54
  SPEAKER_12: Wow.
• 1:15:55
  SPEAKER_08: Um, what is the name given to the most low-ranking wolf in the pack?
• 1:16:00
  SPEAKER_11: Probationer.
• 1:16:03
  SPEAKER_12: Um uh the the the the gamma?
• 1:16:08
  SPEAKER_08: Well, we have the alpha who's in charge, and we have the omega.
• 1:16:13
  SPEAKER_12: Oh I meant, I meant omega, but yep, gamma.
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  SPEAKER_12: Gamma, why don't I say gamma?
• 1:16:18
  SPEAKER_12: Uh is a number two called the beater.
• 1:16:21
  SPEAKER_08: Or the bravo.
• 1:16:22
  SPEAKER_08: I don't know.
• 1:16:22
  SPEAKER_12: The bravo, okay.
• 1:16:23
  SPEAKER_08: I don't know that much about Wolf Australia.
• 1:16:24
  SPEAKER_08: Sorry, sorry, sorry.
• 1:16:25
  SPEAKER_08: We're moving away from the wolves.
• 1:16:28
  SPEAKER_08: Yep.
• 1:16:28
  SPEAKER_08: We're going into the police sphere.
• 1:16:30
  SPEAKER_12: Okay.
• 1:16:31
  SPEAKER_08: We have one police station that is a West Australian police station that is actually not in WA.
• 1:16:41
  SPEAKER_08: What is that police station?
• 1:16:43
  SPEAKER_12: I actually know the answer because I've actually been there, so I'm gonna I'm gonna sit this one out and let Nate have a go.
• 1:16:49
  SPEAKER_11: Uh is it Warman?
• 1:16:51
  SPEAKER_12: Can I?
• 1:16:52
  SPEAKER_12: You can go, Kelly.
• 1:16:54
  SPEAKER_12: Is it Kintour in the Northern Territory?
• 1:16:56
  SPEAKER_08: You are correct.
• 1:16:57
  SPEAKER_08: We uh share the Kintor police station with our uh jurisdictional partners in the Northern Territory.
• 1:17:05
  SPEAKER_08: Um, what continent is the main wolf native to?
• 1:17:12
  SPEAKER_12: I'm gonna go with uh North America.
• 1:17:18
  SPEAKER_11: Can I agree?
• 1:17:19
  SPEAKER_11: No.
• 1:17:20
  SPEAKER_11: Okay.
• 1:17:21
  SPEAKER_11: Uh Africa.
• 1:17:23
  SPEAKER_08: Well, while you may think that most wolf species do come from North America, the main wolf is actually from South America.
• 1:17:33
  SPEAKER_08: They broke away and they evolved into what they're known now as.
• 1:17:37
  SPEAKER_12: Well, I can tell you one thing.
• 1:17:38
  SPEAKER_12: There's the ginger lump wolf as well.
• 1:17:41
  SPEAKER_12: And uh yeah, if you're doing the wrong thing, he's gonna catch you and he's gonna probably make some sort of pithy remark.
• 1:17:48
  SPEAKER_12: And we can't we can't wait.
• 1:17:49
  SPEAKER_12: It's gonna be great.
• 1:17:50
  SPEAKER_12: We're here for it.
• 1:17:51
  SPEAKER_11: Watch out for the wolf pack.
• 1:17:53
  SPEAKER_12: So taking us out of uh this segment, I think maybe because we did the quiz on the wolf, I think we go back to And I Will Always Love You by Whitney Houston uh for our bodyguard friends who would take a bullet for anyone.
• 1:18:42
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• 1:18:51
  SPEAKER_01: By the way, why just listen to a podcast about policing when you could actually be doing it?
• 1:18:56
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