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Family Still Searching for Killer of Young Mom of 2, Missing from NC Pub. (Best of Crime Stories) · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace, a beautiful young mom seemingly
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Speaker 1: disappears off the face of the earth than a twist
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Speaker 1: in the case. Why has Alison's case gone cold? In fact,
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Speaker 1: I don't think it has gone cold. I think that
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Speaker 1: authorities are simply not willing to act crime stories with
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. You know, recently we heard a lot about
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Speaker 1: the Bill Cosby case, how the original prosecutor was basically
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Speaker 1: afraid to take the case to trial, afraid of a
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Speaker 1: David and Goliath scenario where he was David and Casey
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Speaker 1: was Goliath. Well, let's go to the end of that story.
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Speaker 1: David won the battle. David actually slew Goliath. My question
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Speaker 1: is why our district attorneys elected to do the right thing,
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Speaker 1: always win or lose, afraid to take on a case
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Speaker 1: they might maybe lose, instead of always and always seeking justice. Well,
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Speaker 1: let's find out. First of all, take a listen to this.
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Speaker 1: Before moving to Wilmington, North Carolina, Alison Jackson Foy enjoyed
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Speaker 1: working with children. She was a dance teacher at her
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Speaker 1: father's New York dance studio. She was also a gymnastics coach.
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Speaker 1: She married Michael Foy and the family Alison, Michael, and
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Speaker 1: their two daughters moved to Wilmington. Foy gets a job
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Speaker 1: at a local hotel and earns a promotion to assistant manager. Wow,
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Speaker 1: a dance teacher married, great job moving up within that too,
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Speaker 1: assistant general manager. That's not easy. You were just hearing
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Speaker 1: our friends at crime online dot com. So how does
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Speaker 1: Alison Jackson Foy suddenly go missing? Listen to our friend
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Speaker 1: Hannah Patrick Wway three. Alison was working the day she
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Speaker 1: went missing. She had left to work here and was
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Speaker 1: going to celebrate with a friend of hers, and so
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Speaker 1: they went to what was it's not anymore Junction Pub
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Speaker 1: at the time, Junction Pub was right here on Carolina
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Speaker 1: Beach Road. It is now known as Mad Cats. She
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Speaker 1: had a couple of glasses of wine. Her friend at
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Speaker 1: the time said to her, you know, you shouldn't drive home,
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Speaker 1: and she said, oh no, and he said, no, you
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Speaker 1: shouldn't trifh home. Let me call you a cab. Then
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Speaker 1: Valentino says, the bartender called one for her. Somebody walked
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Speaker 1: in the bar and so, I did someone call a
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Speaker 1: cab and they said, yeah, we did, And she walked
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Speaker 1: out with the cab driver and that was the last
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Speaker 1: that she was ever seen walk out to get a
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Speaker 1: cab and she's never seen alive again. You know, we
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Speaker 1: just recently cover the case of a young woman heading
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Speaker 1: to law school who was out celebrating the end of
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Speaker 1: Undergraund with her friends, goes out to get in her
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Speaker 1: uber and she's never seen alive again. In her case,
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Speaker 1: there was a resolution, and Allison's case not so much. Again,
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Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grays, this is Crime Stories. Thank you for
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Speaker 1: being with us. I want to introduce to you an
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Speaker 1: all star panel joining me to make sense of it all.
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Speaker 1: Bob Buner, the former montaur County District Attorney and past
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Speaker 1: president of the Pennsylvania District Attorney's Association. And that is
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Speaker 1: not an easy thing to achieve. Doctor Jerry Crossen, Psychologist,
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Speaker 1: faculty Saint Leo Universe CITs, a consultant author of Operation
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Speaker 1: s O S. Doctor Tim Gallagher medical examiner for the
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Speaker 1: entire state of Florida and you can find him at
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Speaker 1: pathcaremed dot com. Lecturer University Florida Medical School, Forensic Medicine
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Speaker 1: and founder and host of the International Forensic Medicine Death
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Speaker 1: Investigation Conference. Cheryl McCollum, founder and director of the Coldcase
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Speaker 1: Research Institute forensics expert. You can find her at coldcasecrimes
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Speaker 1: dot org. Ben Shopman news director w h q R News,
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Speaker 1: the NPR affiliate in Wilmington, North Carolina, former editor Port
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Speaker 1: City Daily, and you can find him on Twitter at
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Speaker 1: Ben Underscore Shopman. But first, listen to our friends at ID.
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Speaker 1: A thirty four year old mother of two vanishes after
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Speaker 1: a night out. A detective colemicists just want to let
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Speaker 1: you know that your daughter, US missing detectives aren't convinced
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Speaker 1: she's in danger. All signs led to the likelihood that
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Speaker 1: she had left the area on her own, according you
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Speaker 1: were hearing Alison's dad speaking about. Right now joining me
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Speaker 1: is Alison's sister. This is Lisa A Valentino, who over
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Speaker 1: time I feel has become a friend. She has never
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Speaker 1: given up on finding the truth of what happened to
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Speaker 1: her sister. Lisa is now with q CUE Center for
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Speaker 1: Missing Persons at nc Missing Persons dot org. Lisa, thank
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Speaker 1: you for being with us, Thank you for having me.
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Speaker 1: You know, Lisa, I know it gets exhausting to rehash
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Speaker 1: the story of your sister's disappearance, and I know that
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Speaker 1: feeling to this day I hate it when people bring
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Speaker 1: up to me my fiance's murder just before our wedding,
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Speaker 1: and that was a long long time ago. Now if
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Speaker 1: I bring it up that, I guess that means I'm
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Speaker 1: milly and emotionally prepared to talk about it. But when
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Speaker 1: someone just asked me about it out of the blue,
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Speaker 1: it's like somebody throws cold water on my face. And
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Speaker 1: also after you talk about it, it just leaves me
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Speaker 1: feeling weary, weary and drained. And I imagine it's the
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Speaker 1: same thing for you. So I specially want to thank
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Speaker 1: you for being with us, and I want to take
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Speaker 1: you back. Tell me how did you learn Alison was missing?
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Speaker 1: So my family and I with my other brother and
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Speaker 1: a sister and our children, we were on a vacation
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Speaker 1: to the White Mountains in New Hampshire, which we had
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Speaker 1: done every year, and we were kind of out of
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Speaker 1: touch with my dad for that period of time for
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Speaker 1: whatever reason, because I guess you didn't want to bother
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Speaker 1: us on vacation. I had talked to my sister Alison
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Speaker 1: the day before we went on vacation because it was
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Speaker 1: my daughter Emily's birthday, and on our way back from
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Speaker 1: New Hampshire. We get a phone call from my father
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Speaker 1: saying that there was a message at the time his
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Speaker 1: answering machine from Wilmington PD stating that Allison had been missing.
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Speaker 1: And so that's the first we heard of it. And
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Speaker 1: immediately the three of us, my brother and sister and
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Speaker 1: I made plants to drop off our family and get
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Speaker 1: on a plane that night and head to Wilmington, and
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Speaker 1: that's what we did. I met my dad there and
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Speaker 1: the four of us arrived there together. You know, to
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Speaker 1: doctor Jorry cross In psychologist faculty Saint Leo University and author,
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Speaker 1: doctor Jory, when people are confronted with knees like this,
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Speaker 1: your sister's missing, I'm projecting, I know. But when I
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Speaker 1: was told something horrible had happened to Keith, it didn't
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Speaker 1: seem real. I really didn't. I couldn't take it in.
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Speaker 1: And as the minutes past, I convinced myself he wasn't dead,
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Speaker 1: that he had just been hurt, and that it must
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Speaker 1: have been a car crash and if I could just
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Speaker 1: get to him, I could fix it. I could find
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Speaker 1: out what was going on. I could sort the whole
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Speaker 1: thing out. Why is that, doctor Jory, Because we hear
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Speaker 1: one thing, but we process something completely different. Here she
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Speaker 1: is on a vacation with her family and she finds
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Speaker 1: out her sister, her beloved sister, is missing. You know,
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Speaker 1: it's all part of trying to balance the trauma, the unknown,
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Speaker 1: the tremendous amount of stress that you know, now the
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Speaker 1: reality isn't setting in yet because you're still trying to
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Speaker 1: process it. You're trying to figure out what if? Where?
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Speaker 1: You know, where's the answers? How else is this going
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Speaker 1: to get resolved? Anytime we're faced with ambiguity, you know
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Speaker 1: that we can't resolve it. It creates the anxiety and
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Speaker 1: the stress, and unfortunately that's you know, trauma is a
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Speaker 1: wound d and that's a psychological wound that sometimes you
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Speaker 1: never I think to you, Cheryl mccollum'm director of the
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Speaker 1: Cold Case Research Institute. You and I've dealt with a
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Speaker 1: lot of cases and a lot of crime victims, and
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Speaker 1: I think it's so out of the ordinary, and it's
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Speaker 1: so bizarre for people to learn their husband and their
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Speaker 1: sister they're just missing. It's I don't think people are
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Speaker 1: emotionally I don't think we're actually wired hardwire to take
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Speaker 1: in that kind of news. No, I agree, And I
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Speaker 1: think it's one of those things where you know your
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Speaker 1: mind protects you from that, so you slowly come to
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Speaker 1: the realization of what is actually happening. So I think
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Speaker 1: it's actually kind of a gift that you can't accept
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Speaker 1: things so traumatic instantly. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace straight
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Speaker 1: back out to Lisa Valentino. This is Alison's sister who
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Speaker 1: has kept her case alive. Do you remember what it
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Speaker 1: was like? I'm projecting again, but I remember I had
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Speaker 1: just gotten the twins to New York to go ice skating,
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Speaker 1: and we had gotten there, I got them unpacked, bathed
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Speaker 1: in the bed, and I got a call from my
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Speaker 1: mom that they were putting my dad on life support.
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Speaker 1: And I remember frantically trying to get them dressed. And
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Speaker 1: it was midnight and I was out on the street
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Speaker 1: in New York with the children, and I was trying
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Speaker 1: to hail a cab to get to any airport to
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Speaker 1: try to get home. Do you remember what it was
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Speaker 1: like trying to get to Wilmington. I do. And I
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Speaker 1: also remember the moment that my father told me that
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Speaker 1: she was missing, that I had this sinking feeling that
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Speaker 1: she was no longer alive. I don't know why I
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Speaker 1: felt that, but I felt that from almost the beginning,
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Speaker 1: although I pushed that to the side and again went
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Speaker 1: through and went on this trip, and I just I
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Speaker 1: think it's like you say, I almost I just I
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Speaker 1: couldn't believe actually what I was hearing, and how does
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Speaker 1: this happen to us? Type of thing? And then you
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Speaker 1: know that feeling of helplessness and not even knowing what
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Speaker 1: to do. But somehow we just have to go there
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Speaker 1: and be there and try to figure it all out.
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Speaker 1: You know, Bob Beinger is joining me, former Montour County
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Speaker 1: District Attorney, former president of the Pennsylvania District Attorney's Association,
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Speaker 1: by being or you know, it is so difficult dealing
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Speaker 1: with crime victims families, especially when they're blindsided with news
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Speaker 1: like this, when you know a loved one as having
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Speaker 1: as living a very risky lifestyle like they're doing drugs,
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Speaker 1: which means they're buying drugs from a dope dealer, or
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Speaker 1: they have a life of crime where they're in danger
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Speaker 1: all the time, or they do something perilous for work.
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Speaker 1: It's the pain is no less, but they've got to
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Speaker 1: have an inkling that danger is lurking when you've got
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Speaker 1: a mom health the young mom who is not living
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Speaker 1: a risky lifestyle is moving up in her business. I mean,
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Speaker 1: it's even more of a shock. It's very hard dealing
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Speaker 1: with crime victims, families victims like this. It sure is
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Speaker 1: a Nancy end. And so you have that period of
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Speaker 1: what if that you have to go through with crime victims.
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Speaker 1: You know, there's a disappearance, but there's that great onknown
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Speaker 1: out there as to what really happened. And the only
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Speaker 1: thing exactly the only thing not knowing yes, And the
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Speaker 1: only thing you can do is to promise as a prosecutor,
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Speaker 1: an elected district attorney, is to do everything in your
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Speaker 1: power to bring closure and finality to the victims. Family.
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Speaker 1: Joining me right now is a news director or whq R,
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Speaker 1: the NPR affiliate there in Wilmington. Ben tell me about
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Speaker 1: this place where she goes missing. She was out celebrating.
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Speaker 1: Then what happened? I mean, that's the most important question, Nancy.
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Speaker 1: The junction pub was. I actually used to go there
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Speaker 1: back in the day. You know, it was kind of
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Speaker 1: a dive. A cab driver, Timothy craig Anuni picked her up,
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Speaker 1: and that's the last were we hear from her. So
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Speaker 1: how did Alison get reported missing? Listen? They said to us,
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Speaker 1: We received the phone call from her husband that she
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Speaker 1: hasn't come home and that you know, he doesn't know
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Speaker 1: where where she is. And the last place we know
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Speaker 1: she was seeing was out of place called Junction Pub
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Speaker 1: and Billiards after she finished a shift at work. Alison
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Speaker 1: had just gotten a new job. She was assistant manager
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Speaker 1: of a holiday inn here in town, and she supposedly
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Speaker 1: had gotten out to celebrate after work with a friend
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Speaker 1: of hers. They found her car at the establishments I
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Speaker 1: think a couple of days later. Lisa, we are hearing
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Speaker 1: from you what exactly happened that we know of to
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Speaker 1: your sister Alison? But am I understanding her husband is
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Speaker 1: the one that reported her missing? That's correct, her husband
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Speaker 1: is the one who reported her missing. Did he call
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Speaker 1: around to find out? But wait? Wait? Wait? Did you
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Speaker 1: live near her at the time? So no, I lived
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Speaker 1: in New Jersey, right, and my dad and the rest
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Speaker 1: of my family were in New York, were Delaware, and
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Speaker 1: she was in William So there was no need to
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Speaker 1: call around and go, hey, is she over there? Have
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Speaker 1: you seen her? Have you here? Okay? Because At first
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Speaker 1: I thought that was a little suspicious, but now I understand.
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Speaker 1: He directly called nine one one straight back out to
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Speaker 1: Lisa Valentino, this is Allison's sister. How did police respond
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Speaker 1: to your inquiries at the beginning when also went missing? Oh? Well,
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Speaker 1: I have to say that it was not great. They
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Speaker 1: took us to the police departments. They sat us down
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Speaker 1: in a room and they basically told us that they
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Speaker 1: thought she had walked away, that she had done this
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Speaker 1: of her own accord and of her her own will,
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Speaker 1: and my father and I immediately said, well, that's not Allison.
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Speaker 1: If she was going to do this as she would
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Speaker 1: have taken her children with her and be she would
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Speaker 1: have called me or my father or someone had said, look,
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Speaker 1: this is my plan, I'm leaving. I'm going off the
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Speaker 1: grid for a bit, and you know, just leave me
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Speaker 1: alone for a little while. But she would have been
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Speaker 1: in touch. You know, I want to go to you.
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Speaker 1: Cheryl McCullum found her and director of the Cold Case
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Speaker 1: Research Institute. Why why for Pete's sake? When women got missing?
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Speaker 1: Still to this day, law enforcing goes, she's just out
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Speaker 1: with her boyfriend. You know. One of the last times
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Speaker 1: I heard that was when Stacy Peterson went missing. Remember her.
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Speaker 1: A lot of people have forgotten her. I have it
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Speaker 1: that was Jue Peterson's fourth wife. One the second or
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Speaker 1: third wife, Kathleen Savio ends up dead, drowned and a
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Speaker 1: bone dry bathtub covered in bruises, and then Stacy goes missing.
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Speaker 1: And to this day, if I asked je Peterson will say, Oh,
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Speaker 1: she's out with her boyfriend. What boyfriend? She's gonna leave
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Speaker 1: her children to go be with a boyfriend nobody's ever
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Speaker 1: heard of? So why it literally drives me mad. Again,
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Speaker 1: if you look at the victim and you do the
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Speaker 1: victimology first, which they should do in the Indian investigation,
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Speaker 1: what they would find in this case. And in most cases,
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Speaker 1: women do not leave their children behind because they're in
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Speaker 1: a marriage they don't want to be in any longer.
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Speaker 1: Everybody listening to this show right now knows twenty women
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Speaker 1: that have gotten a divorce. Not one of them took
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Speaker 1: up powder and left their kids somewhere. Not one. So
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Speaker 1: if you look at what happened here with Alison, she
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Speaker 1: had a loving family, she had children that she adored.
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Speaker 1: She didn't take any money, she didn't take herself phonn't.
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Speaker 1: She didn't take her car, she didn't take any clothes,
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Speaker 1: she didn't have a lover. So you're you're not looking
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Speaker 1: at the totality of this person. You're just saying, oh,
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Speaker 1: she was at a bar. Oh, well, she must have
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Speaker 1: just walked away to go where it's not plausible. Didn't happen?
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Speaker 1: Straight out to Ben Schotman joining us in whq R. Ben,
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Speaker 1: then the case takes quite a twist. Tell me about
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Speaker 1: the remains that were discovered. Yeah, that was in April
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Speaker 1: of two thousand and eight. Allison's remains were found on
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Speaker 1: with those of Angela Nimbles, Rofinum mirror on Carolina Betrode.
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Speaker 1: Both had you know, a fatal nape wounds. You don't
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Speaker 1: want to follow up upon that, Doctor Tim Gallagher, the
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Speaker 1: medical examiner for the entire state of Florida. You can
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Speaker 1: find me at pathcaremad dot com. Doctor Gallagher. With that
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Speaker 1: amount of time passing, how could they still determine death
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Speaker 1: was by knife wound? Well, if you look at the
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Speaker 1: remains and most of the time at for that amount
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Speaker 1: of time passing, it would be the skeletal remains. You
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Speaker 1: can find the butcher marks that the knife makes on
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Speaker 1: the bones themselves, and you can determine if that was
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Speaker 1: happening while they were alive, while they were deceased, and
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Speaker 1: you can use those marks, those butcher marks on the
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Speaker 1: bones to determine what the manner of death and the
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Speaker 1: cause of death would be. So stabbings, stabbing would leave
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Speaker 1: the would call them curf marks from the knife on
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Speaker 1: the bone, and that would give us our cause of death.
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Speaker 1: Can nick, right, it would be a nick or a
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Speaker 1: slice or a bladed mark that the knife leaves on
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Speaker 1: the bone. And if it's a say a rib bone
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Speaker 1: or a spine or even a skull, you know that
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Speaker 1: that could not have happened after their death from like say,
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Speaker 1: animal predation or injuries that occurred after their death. So you, specifically,
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Speaker 1: doctor Gallagher, can look at a bone and her she
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Speaker 1: went missing July thirty, two thousand and six. Her body
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Speaker 1: was found almost two years later April two thousand and eight.
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Speaker 1: You could look at a bone and determine whether a
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Speaker 1: nick in the bone was caused by a bullet, by
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Speaker 1: a knife, or by animal predation. You can look at
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Speaker 1: it and tell that how oh, absolutely, there's an entire
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Speaker 1: field dedicated to that. Forensic anthropology, and that forensic anthropologist
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Speaker 1: has the technical skill and the training to determine that.
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Speaker 1: If you see a mark on the bone that is
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Speaker 1: not natural, that is very very angular, and there is
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Speaker 1: no healing, there is no healing process going on, then
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Speaker 1: you know that that had occurred at around they called
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Speaker 1: the perimortem period, or about the time that they died.
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Speaker 1: If there is teeth marks, if there is gnawing, if
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Speaker 1: there is other damage to the bone caused by animals,
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Speaker 1: we could even determine what animal it was by the
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Speaker 1: prints that it left on the bone, by the evidence
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Speaker 1: that it's left on the bone. So if a forensic
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Speaker 1: anthropologist or a medical examiner determined that they have knife
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Speaker 1: wounds on the bone, I would be strongly in favor
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Speaker 1: of that manner of examp and contrapt crime stories with
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace to Bob, you know, joining me if we're
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Speaker 1: a Montour County District attorney, you know, Bob, it would
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Speaker 1: take me hours with a medical examiner like doctor Tim
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Speaker 1: Gallagher to break down what he just said in a
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Speaker 1: way that not only I could understand it, but a
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Speaker 1: jury could understand it. And I always try to make
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Speaker 1: it like stories that are understandable to both me and
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Speaker 1: the jury. For instance, if a bullet were to crack
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Speaker 1: through a bone or a let's just say the side
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Speaker 1: of your car, it cracks around it. It's not just
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Speaker 1: the entry. It destroys a certain amount around it the
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Speaker 1: bullet entry. If an animal I remember seeing a bag
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Speaker 1: of I guess it was potato chips that were sealed
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Speaker 1: and left somewhere, but a little mouse had been gnawing
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Speaker 1: on them, and you could see, actually see the little
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Speaker 1: naw marks on the bag. So you compare those two
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Speaker 1: and with a knife you see a slant, you may
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Speaker 1: actually see a slant, or you see where the point
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Speaker 1: of the knife hit the bone. So all three of
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Speaker 1: those will look completely differently. So you have to break
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Speaker 1: it down like that or make it explainable to a jury. Look,
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Speaker 1: you and I just have JD's. Gallagher has got an MD.
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Speaker 1: So somehow you got to decipher all that for a
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Speaker 1: jury and Nancy. The way to do it is through
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Speaker 1: photographs and a sort of a chronological explanation of the
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Speaker 1: autopsy and going back and forth between a person like
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Speaker 1: doctor Gallagher who can easily relate to a jury, and
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Speaker 1: the photographs that are projected to the jury in the Yeah,
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Speaker 1: a slide show. You know, slide shows are always the
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Speaker 1: way to go. You're absolutely right, you know, to be
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Speaker 1: in shopman joining us w HQR. Tell me about the
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Speaker 1: circumstances surrounding the discovery of Alison's remains. What she buried? Was?
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Speaker 1: I know it was near a row, but was a
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Speaker 1: wooded area? Was she just thrown along the side of
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Speaker 1: the freeway as I've seen in many cases, which suggests
23:23
Speaker 1: she was thrown out of a car. She said she
23:25
Speaker 1: was there with another set of remains or the two connected.
23:29
Speaker 1: They have to be tell me. Early on there was
23:32
Speaker 1: actually some discussion that this could have been the work
23:35
Speaker 1: of a serial killer, just because of some of the similarities.
23:39
Speaker 1: It was set off back off the road, so there
23:42
Speaker 1: was some real concern there, and I think that sort
23:44
Speaker 1: of coincided when police started taking this case at least
23:48
Speaker 1: a bit more seriously. What do you mean started taking
23:50
Speaker 1: the case a bit more seriously. Well, as Lisa told you,
23:54
Speaker 1: you know, early on, an officer had told her that
23:58
Speaker 1: they expected to find Alpin with me in her arms
24:00
Speaker 1: and known they thought that this was um, you know,
24:03
Speaker 1: drug related, or you know, they didn't they weren't treating
24:06
Speaker 1: this like a homicide, certainly, but this boy, well I
24:10
Speaker 1: stopped just a second man. Why would they say that
24:12
Speaker 1: about Alison callousness? That's a good question. Um. It seemed
24:17
Speaker 1: to have been a pet theory of some of the
24:19
Speaker 1: officers who were working in a case early on. Lisa.
24:21
Speaker 1: Did she have any history of that? I mean not
24:24
Speaker 1: to my knowledge. She was, she was the breadwinner in
24:27
Speaker 1: the family, she was taking care of her kids. I
24:30
Speaker 1: don't get it, Lisa. Why would they say, oh, she's
24:33
Speaker 1: just slung up with another man, or she's probably a dope.
24:36
Speaker 1: She was none of that. I mean, again, there were issues,
24:39
Speaker 1: there were problems in her marriage, but again I had
24:42
Speaker 1: just seen her two weeks prior to this. She certainly
24:45
Speaker 1: wasn't using while she was staying in my own So
24:48
Speaker 1: I mean that was you know, that was the whole thing,
24:52
Speaker 1: the whole time, trying to get them to believe they
24:54
Speaker 1: had this idea of who she was, and I was
24:56
Speaker 1: trying to say her, yes, yes, she went through hard time,
25:00
Speaker 1: just there was some struggle, but you know, again I
25:03
Speaker 1: never saw her using anything. You know, Cheryl, why is
25:07
Speaker 1: this Why when a woman goes missing, she's immediately trashed,
25:13
Speaker 1: dragged through them ud she's either sleeping around or oh,
25:16
Speaker 1: she suddenly has become a drug user and she's outscoring drugs.
25:20
Speaker 1: Why why does a woman's reputation have to be totally destroyed?
25:27
Speaker 1: Why don't they just get off their rear ends and
25:28
Speaker 1: go look for and again? If they would do the investigation,
25:33
Speaker 1: all you had to do is talk to a few
25:35
Speaker 1: people she worked with, her husband and her family, and
25:39
Speaker 1: you would know this is not what we're dealing with,
25:41
Speaker 1: not at all. So just do an investigation. Forget what
25:45
Speaker 1: you think about this person that you've never met, Forget
25:49
Speaker 1: the conclusion that you're drawing based on God forbid, a
25:53
Speaker 1: woman goes and has a drink at a bar without
25:55
Speaker 1: her husband, and suddenly you've got her in this whole
26:00
Speaker 1: scenario of negativity that is not factually accurate. To Ben Shopman,
26:06
Speaker 1: let me ask a couple of rapid fire questions. Was
26:09
Speaker 1: her body buried? I don't believe so. Wasn't a wooded area,
26:13
Speaker 1: It was near wooded area along that Carolina Beach Road area.
26:17
Speaker 1: Was it near the side of the road then, I
26:19
Speaker 1: don't remember exactly how far it was from the road.
26:21
Speaker 1: Let me get a Lisa Valentine. I was it, Lisa, No,
26:24
Speaker 1: it was it's back behind an abandoned restaurant. It was
26:27
Speaker 1: a cut through the people. Use what it was a
26:31
Speaker 1: cutthrough a lot of people. So it was back behind
26:33
Speaker 1: an abandoned restaurant off of Carolina Beach Road. It was
26:36
Speaker 1: fairly wooded, but on the other side there was a
26:39
Speaker 1: cell tower and all this other stuff, and people would
26:42
Speaker 1: cut through. In fact, that's how she was fined. It
26:45
Speaker 1: was a passer by or cutting through the woods to
26:47
Speaker 1: get to work who saw the bones and the remains.
26:50
Speaker 1: So she was not buried, No, she was less lest.
26:53
Speaker 1: Her clothes were still there, her jewelry was still there.
26:56
Speaker 1: All of that was still there when she was recovered. Wow.
26:59
Speaker 1: And and how far away was the other murder victim? Oh?
27:03
Speaker 1: Maybe a foot or two. The interesting thing about the
27:07
Speaker 1: other murder victim is she went missing a year after Alison. Wow. Okay,
27:12
Speaker 1: let's digest that. Cheryl McCollum, what does that mean. I
27:15
Speaker 1: think it means you've got a serial killer and this
27:17
Speaker 1: is clearly his dumping ground. You've got two bodies that
27:20
Speaker 1: were in feet of each other. One passer buyer found
27:23
Speaker 1: the bones, so you've got bones that are visible to
27:26
Speaker 1: anybody that would be in that area. Both the bodies
27:29
Speaker 1: were also nancy in a little ravine, so they weren't
27:34
Speaker 1: hidden and they weren't buried, but if you were to
27:36
Speaker 1: scan in the landscape, you wouldn't have seen them, but
27:39
Speaker 1: they were not hidden. What more do we know about
27:42
Speaker 1: the discovery of Alison's remains? Take a lesson to our
27:46
Speaker 1: cut sixteen. This is Hannah Patrick Wway three. In April
27:50
Speaker 1: two thousand and eight. Valentino says remains were found about
27:53
Speaker 1: a mile and a half away from where she went missing.
27:56
Speaker 1: The particular place where she was found it was like
27:59
Speaker 1: a cut through and it was also I think a
28:02
Speaker 1: known place where like guys took prostitutes. So someone was
28:06
Speaker 1: passing by and they saw two sets of remains. While
28:09
Speaker 1: waiting to get DNA results, Valentino made a trip to Wilmington.
28:13
Speaker 1: I felt like I needed to see the place where
28:16
Speaker 1: she last was, and so when we went to the site,
28:19
Speaker 1: more sets of remains were found that you found. Yes,
28:23
Speaker 1: me and my friend and Monica when we went to
28:25
Speaker 1: visit the site, and those remains ended up being Allison's.
28:30
Speaker 1: So in finding Allison's remains, the remains of another woman,
28:35
Speaker 1: Angela Nobles, is found, but that's not all. Take a
28:39
Speaker 1: listen to our cut eight from Thee's fourteen. The family
28:43
Speaker 1: of a woman whose remains were found in Wilmington two
28:45
Speaker 1: years ago returned to that area to follow up with investigators.
28:48
Speaker 1: Alison Jackson Foy's father and sister talked with the district
28:51
Speaker 1: attorney and police about the case. Thursday. Her remains were
28:55
Speaker 1: found in a wooded area off of Carolina Beach Road,
28:57
Speaker 1: alongside the remains of another woman, Angela often in two
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Speaker 1: thousand and eight. So far, no arrests have been made. Now,
29:04
Speaker 1: family members are concerned that just last month, the remains
29:07
Speaker 1: of another woman for Scilla Rogers Or found a few
29:09
Speaker 1: miles away from the other crime scene. Anytime they find
29:13
Speaker 1: a body and I always follow everything very closely in
29:16
Speaker 1: the Wilmington here news, it's always like, oh my gosh,
29:18
Speaker 1: could this be connected, especially when it's in close proximity
29:22
Speaker 1: to where my sister and Angela were found. Valentino says
29:26
Speaker 1: authorities assured her that they're exploring all leads and they're
29:29
Speaker 1: not ruling out any possibilities. The family recently started the
29:32
Speaker 1: Alison Jackson four Memorial Fund, all donations go to the
29:36
Speaker 1: Q Center from Missing Persons, which is based in Wilmington.
29:39
Speaker 1: So now I've got three dead bodies in the space
29:43
Speaker 1: of just a few miles, all three of them the
29:46
Speaker 1: victims very very similar time stories with Nancy Grace to
30:07
Speaker 1: Bob bun Or, a former Montera County District Attorney, what's
30:12
Speaker 1: going on and why hasn't there been a prosecution? It's
30:15
Speaker 1: because of the incredible reluctance of the new Hanover County
30:22
Speaker 1: District Attorney, mister David, to either convene a grand jury
30:26
Speaker 1: or to instruct the police, the Wilmington Police Department, to
30:30
Speaker 1: file charges. Okay, let me understand something, Bob being or
30:35
Speaker 1: it's my understanding. The last time we know Alison was
30:38
Speaker 1: seen alive was when she got in the cab. We
30:41
Speaker 1: even have a description of a guy coming in saying, hey,
30:44
Speaker 1: did anybody call a cab? She goes me and she
30:46
Speaker 1: left with this guy. We've even got a description. Has
30:50
Speaker 1: he been cleared. No, he has not been cleared. As
30:53
Speaker 1: a matter of fact, in I think two thousand and seven, Nancy,
30:58
Speaker 1: he was with another institute within a hundred yards of
31:02
Speaker 1: where Allison's body and Miss Rawthin's body were found and
31:07
Speaker 1: the woman alleged that he tried the raper in that area.
31:11
Speaker 1: And he has had other criminal charges and convictions in
31:14
Speaker 1: his background since then. So there's an amazing set of
31:18
Speaker 1: coincidences that really, I think cry out for a grand jury.
31:23
Speaker 1: Let's talk about the coincidences. To Lisa Valentino, this is
31:28
Speaker 1: Allison's sister joining us today. What are the coincidences, because
31:32
Speaker 1: a lot of people would call those coincidences evidence of guilt.
31:37
Speaker 1: What are the so called coincidences regarding this cab driver. Well, yeah,
31:44
Speaker 1: I guess. So we have always believed that Allison was
31:47
Speaker 1: kind of in the wrong place at the wrong time,
31:49
Speaker 1: and that this person of interests who you know, Timothy
31:53
Speaker 1: iron One, you know, thought she was someone or something
31:58
Speaker 1: that she wasn't. As far as I know, Angela Rothon
32:03
Speaker 1: had had some issues. Then. I guess what's known about
32:08
Speaker 1: him is he used to pick up people for sex,
32:11
Speaker 1: and so for years they tried to connect Alison to
32:15
Speaker 1: those two women and they were never able to hold
32:19
Speaker 1: on just a minute, let me understand something that you
32:21
Speaker 1: just said, Lisa Valentino, Alison's sister. So the cab driver
32:26
Speaker 1: that we know picked up your sister, the last night.
32:29
Speaker 1: She was seen alive, has a history of being with
32:34
Speaker 1: hookers and was found with a hooker about one hundred
32:39
Speaker 1: yards from where your sister's body was found. And that
32:42
Speaker 1: hooker says he tried to rape her. Yes, In fact,
32:46
Speaker 1: she was duct taped in his cab. She managed to
32:50
Speaker 1: get free and police came and arrested him. But at
32:55
Speaker 1: the time, this woman, her name is Sonia Williams, she
33:00
Speaker 1: didn't show up for the court date because of issues
33:03
Speaker 1: she had privately and personally going on in her life,
33:05
Speaker 1: and so he pleaded to a lesser crime, crimes against niazure,
33:10
Speaker 1: and he was released. Okay, when you set crimes against nature?
33:13
Speaker 1: Could you be more specific? I guess that's what they
33:16
Speaker 1: call it, right, I'm not I don't. I don't know that.
33:19
Speaker 1: Just the North Carolina statute for a little sex oral sex,
33:23
Speaker 1: that's a crime against nature? And speaking is that Ben
33:27
Speaker 1: or Bob? Sorry? Okay, she's duck tape and says he
33:31
Speaker 1: tried to rape her, Yes, and he's a hundred Did
33:34
Speaker 1: this happens one hundred yards from where your sister's body's
33:36
Speaker 1: found along with another woman? Cheryl McCollum, Can somebody explain
33:41
Speaker 1: to me what's going on? I mean, he just happens
33:45
Speaker 1: to me one hundred yards from where her body's found,
33:48
Speaker 1: and he's the last one seen with her, right So
33:51
Speaker 1: you have two dead bodies right there and a third
33:54
Speaker 1: woman attacked within yards, within yards, Nancy. And when all
34:00
Speaker 1: enforcement catches up to him and they see the duct
34:03
Speaker 1: tape and the hammer and some other things in his car,
34:06
Speaker 1: he literally refers to it as a rape kit, doesn't he, Lisa?
34:11
Speaker 1: I think that, you know, I think that that was
34:14
Speaker 1: found years later when he was on Rightsville Beach. That's
34:22
Speaker 1: that even happened years later, So he just denies. Are
34:27
Speaker 1: you talking about him having a rape kit? Correct? Okay?
34:32
Speaker 1: And to you, Bobby, and could you explain what is
34:34
Speaker 1: a rape kit? A rape kit is various things such
34:38
Speaker 1: as items to immobilize them a victim. There would be
34:43
Speaker 1: things like condoms, duct tape, even weapons to cracker skull
34:51
Speaker 1: or things of that nature. Do you know that Allison
34:54
Speaker 1: was stabbed between twenty seven and forty times. I find
35:01
Speaker 1: it very difficult to believe doctor Tim Gallagher that she
35:06
Speaker 1: was not raped and then murdered because her jewelry was
35:11
Speaker 1: still on her, so she wasn't robbed. I believe the
35:18
Speaker 1: husband who ends up calling reporting her missing is going
35:22
Speaker 1: to be ruled out. It's hard for me to believe
35:26
Speaker 1: doctor Gallagher that there is not some type of evidence
35:30
Speaker 1: on her body. No DNA, no epiphilial skin cells, no nothing. Well,
35:36
Speaker 1: you know, also determines how long she's been exposed to
35:39
Speaker 1: the environment before they found her. You know, a lot
35:42
Speaker 1: of that stuff could have degraded, a lot of that
35:44
Speaker 1: stuff could no longer exist. If her remains were a
35:47
Speaker 1: skeletal remains, then there would be no soft tissue for
35:50
Speaker 1: the cells to exist upon. Yeah, you know, so it
35:54
Speaker 1: just depends on how decomposed the body was as to
35:58
Speaker 1: the success in finding any of this DNA material. Bobier
36:02
Speaker 1: explained to me why this case isn't moving forward, especially
36:06
Speaker 1: with a similar transaction attempting to rape a hooker a
36:12
Speaker 1: hundred yards from her body. Well, let me also say
36:16
Speaker 1: there's another amazing coincidence that's not been spoken about. The
36:20
Speaker 1: wife of mister iron One reported him to a private
36:24
Speaker 1: detective as being a suspect in the disappearance and murder
36:29
Speaker 1: of Allison. So when you add it all up, I
36:35
Speaker 1: can't understand why District Attorney David hasn't done one of
36:38
Speaker 1: two things, either convened an investigative grand jury or referred
36:43
Speaker 1: this matter to the Attorney General of North Carolina. If
36:46
Speaker 1: he is reluctant to prosecute you know, I want to
36:49
Speaker 1: explore something that you just said that his own wife
36:53
Speaker 1: reported him as a suspect and Alison's murderer. What do
36:57
Speaker 1: we know about that? Lisa Valentino, Oh, I've I've spoken
37:00
Speaker 1: with Susan Ironone multiple times. Yes, this was the place
37:06
Speaker 1: that he and his wife used to shoot pool at.
37:11
Speaker 1: The bartenders had his private cell number at the pub,
37:15
Speaker 1: and I guess one day she went in and she
37:18
Speaker 1: heard all these regulars talking about how her husband was
37:21
Speaker 1: responsible for Alison going missing. And our private investigator also
37:26
Speaker 1: had a radio show at the time still does, called
37:28
Speaker 1: Blue Line Radio, and she called into she called she
37:32
Speaker 1: called him, not his radio. She she called him and said,
37:35
Speaker 1: what is this that I hear that you are all
37:37
Speaker 1: accusing my husband Tim having to do something with Alison
37:42
Speaker 1: Foy going missing. And she had also emailed me and
37:46
Speaker 1: reached out and said, I'm a regular at the bar.
37:49
Speaker 1: Please know that I'm praying that they find your sister.
37:54
Speaker 1: So the private investigators took it from there and that's
37:58
Speaker 1: how he came on the radar was from his wife,
38:00
Speaker 1: Ben Shopman, joining us to bhq R. Where does the
38:03
Speaker 1: case stand now? It is, for all intents and purposes,
38:06
Speaker 1: a cold case. We've heard from multiple people at the
38:10
Speaker 1: Womington Police Apartment. They believe Timothy Iamy is responsible for
38:15
Speaker 1: Angela Rosan and Alson Jackson Foy. And the way the
38:18
Speaker 1: worming Tin Police Apartment works with the District Attorney's office,
38:21
Speaker 1: they could legally make an arrest, but the DA has
38:25
Speaker 1: basically squashed that. That's our understanding. So unless you know
38:30
Speaker 1: the other guests are totally right, and unless Ben David
38:32
Speaker 1: either does knven in grand jury or hands it off
38:35
Speaker 1: to the state, it's not going to go anywhere, which
38:37
Speaker 1: is obviously heartbreaking for the for Lisa in her family.
38:40
Speaker 1: We wait and pray for justice two unfold in the
38:45
Speaker 1: murder of young mom Alison Jackson Foy. If you have information,
38:51
Speaker 1: please call three zero two five seven six three nine
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39:08
Speaker 1: take place. There is no statute of limitations on murder.
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace's crime story signing off goodbye friend,