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RETRO: Star Wars: The High Republic: The Rising Storm Review : Episode XXXIII · Star Wars Alliance

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  The Force will be with you always. Hell everyone, and welcome back to
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  another episode of the Star Wars Alliance podcast, your home on the Geek Ultimate
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  Alliance Podcast Network for any and no thanks, Star Wars. I'm your host
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  as always, Katie Rinchler, and joining me today, we have Clay from
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  Ranger and DC Alliance Podcasts stepping into co host with me. Clay, how
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  are you doing today? I am doing excellent. If you guys saw anything
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  on Twitter, you could see my excitement of the review of this book.
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  Totally misread the tweet and I was like, oh my god. I saw
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  I saw Kevin tagged, and I was like, oh my god. We're
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  reviewing this book and interviewing him. Oh my god. And yeah, totally
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  not the case. We're just gonna be reviewing this book, but overall super
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  excited to talk about it. I'm gonna have to find Calvin's agent and we'll
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  see if we can get him on. And Claire, I promised you if
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  he gets Calvin, if you're listening to this, you're free to come on,
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  and Clay will be joining us because he was clearly excited, so joining
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  us. Also today, we have Ryan the head butler Slash editor in chief
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  for Minock Manner. Super thrilled to have you Ryan. How are you doing
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  today. I'm doing fantastic. I'm very thrilled to be on here, very
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  honored. Thank you both for having beyond definitely just want to always talk about
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  The Rising Storm after I finished it, like can't stop talking about don't want
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  to stop talking about it. So I can't wait to do it now.
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  I know I was super jealous of all the people who were getting their copies
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  early, and I'm like, del ray, please please email me will I
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  will take it. I will sing your praises, I promise, but seriously,
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  del Ray call me if you want some early reviews the next time,
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  We'll be happy to do it. So today we will be talking about The
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  Rising Storm. The beautiful cover here. I don't even remember the artist's name,
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  but it's the out of print copy, very very lovely cover, like
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  love it to death. So, but before we do get into the discussion
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  on the book, we do have a couple of things to hit on the
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  The review helps put the network in the feeds of other listeners who may
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  the channel and the network as a whole. Last, but certainly not at
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  least, we will be talking about spoilers for The Rising Storm by Cavin Scott.
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  So if you have it read the book and I'm worried about spoilers,
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  here to Q to go read it and come back. We will be doing
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  a short spoiler free section just to kind of talk about our general thoughts on
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  the book and kind of maybe talk about how much we want to murder Kevin
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  Scott in a sense for what he does at the end of the book.
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  But that will kind of once we cross that bridge, then everything from there
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  will be full spoiler territory. This is a special episode of Star Wars Alliance.
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  Typically you'll hear us talk about currently news and the bad Batch before we
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  go into the book. However, you know, this book just came out,
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  we get some recording time done, and I've got time to edit before
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  release date, so you will we're recording this as on July seventh, and
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  you'll hear this tomorrow, so hope I'll like it. So okay, now
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  we're going to get into it. So Clay, why don't you start us
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  off with your general thoughts on the Rising Storm? All right, non spoiler
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  review for this section. If I could scream into my mic without breaking both
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  of y'all's ear drum, that's exactly what my reaction would be for this entire
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  book. For the last two books that I have listened to audio wise,
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  is it two or three? I think it's oh gosh, it's three right
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  now. This is the second one for the High Republic. For the High
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  Republic, Yes, so far, I only have Into the Dark Test the
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  Courage, and then Light of the Jedi. I haven't gotten the other book
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  that came out the same time as this one yet. That's just because Payday
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  is on Friday, and I definitely will get it. But so far I've
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  only listened to three. This is my fourth one. The other three I
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  was just able to listen to them at home. Now, I keep making
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  the joke that I joke that I have a big boy job and I work
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  at a warehouse. I was listening to this during that time, and my
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  god, I could have gotten in trouble so many times for completely freezing up
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  and just listening so hardcore to everything that was going on in this book.
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  I genuinely think and Katie, we were just talking about this right before we
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  started recording. Nathan, I know you're listening. You need to read this
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  book. This is one hundred percent of book that is you, one hundred
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  percent, So please read this. But this is quite possibly my favorite one
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  outside of Light of the Jedi. I think Test the Courage was really phenomenal
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  for me just because of all the characters and how they interacted. But this
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  one had stakes. There was I will get a little spoilery, heartbreak and
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  just some crazy stuff that I was not expecting from these characters for sure.
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  So I've been talking way too long, so I will move it to Ryan.
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  What do you think about this book? Non spoilers? It was kind
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  of in the same boat at my job, I you know, seeking away
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  to the lunchroom to read during my lunch, and I was pretty sure my
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  coworkers might have heard me yelling like profusely loudly profanities and other things as the
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  you know, chapters kept going and the action got crazier. So it was
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  just like a fun, NonStop thrill ride that I really really broke my heart
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  at the end once again, like you said, slight spoilers, and I
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  just kind of liked how much it put a lot of characters through like a
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  really big ringer and just push them to their limits and really kind of push
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  these Jedi that were told of the Golden ear of them as far as they
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  can go and kind of worried about where they're going to go next. Yeah,
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  for me, I'm in the middle of writing my review for Full Circle
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  Cinema and like the title, I've already got it heart wrenching page turner,
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  because literally that's all it is. It It takes your heart and it goes.
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  Uh. That's me like pretending to like turn a towel like and turn
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  into but it like seriously great book. Like I'm not typically a horror person,
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  Like if you listen to me before, I hate horror stuff, but
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  this one actually manages to like cross that edge and like dangle it like right
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  there on the edge of where it gets like too much horror. But then
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  at the same time it balances it out with kind of the exploration of trauma
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  as well as like traditional Star Wars. So I really think it worked really
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  well for me. This one takes the cake over Light of the Jedi,
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  though I still think Into the Dark is my favorite. But I'm like,
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  probably once I get through this review, it'll probably it'll probably slip ahead because
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  damn Cavin, like you just you just did it, like and especially that
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  the final page leaves me going, what the fuck is this it? So
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  yeah, I enjoyed all the explorations in the characters. Uh. Light of
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  the Jedi I think suffers a lot from having to start off an era,
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  whereas this one kind of gets to enjoy being not having to lead into the
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  era and not having to have that material that Light of the Jedi had to
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  have. So really good job by Kevin, uh, like phenomenal work.
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  So with that, let's kind of talk. I don't know, y'all want
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  to go plot or characters first. I will leave it to Ryan. Ryan,
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  what do you want to talk about first? I guess maybe plat uh,
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  just so we can kind of build up to how those characters reacted to
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  those moments. Maybe. Yeah, So let's do it. So this book
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  takes place, I'm gonna take my cover off so I don't ruin it,
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  because that's what I always do. This book takes place around the Republic Fair.
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  It's about a year after the Light of the jedis with the Great Hyperspace
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  disaster that was originally caused by the Niail and before we get into more of
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  it, if you haven't read Light of the Jedi, then I'm sorry,
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  but we're gonna be talking about spoolish but you're just out of luck, so
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  you should have read it first. But we're here now. So it takes
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  place about a year afterwards, and that timeline is kind of provided by l's
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  Arman in a couple of chapters where he talks about how he hasn't seen Abar
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  Christen over a year except by Hollow, So that's kind of where we're at.
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  But there's a Republic Fair that is taking place on the planet Vallo,
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  which is championed by Lena so as one of her great works to kind of
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  celebrate the Republic as a whole, and it kind of mimics the Worldfare or
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  the World Expo that we have here in our real world. So yeah,
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  it kind of goes into the first part. This one isn't segregated into parts
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  like the Light of the Jedi was, which I think helped the Light of
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  the Jedi a lot with its plot building mechanism to kind of segregate it off
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  and go, Okay, here's your intro, here's more plot building, and
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  then here's your end. So this one just kind of goes and says,
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  here you go. So because it didn't have parts, oh, I was
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  just gonna say without the parts, it felt like I couldn't breathe. There
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  was there was no like because with me listening to the audio, I would
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  you know, listen to Usually the way I would listen to Light of the
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  Jedi was Okay, I'm going to spend one day listening to part one,
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  then spread out Part two over a couple of days, you know, kind
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  of plan it out. This one just kept going and I was just like,
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  oh my God, like, give me a break, what's going on.
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  But I will say that is probably one downside to this, to the
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  audiobook, at least, I don't know how it felt reading it physically.
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  What did you think, Brian about it not being split into parts, because
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  this is afty book. It's four hundred ten pages or four hundred eight excuse
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  me, and seventy six chapters, so it's tapty. Yeah, the the
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  part splitting, I guess I didn't notice it too much, maybe because it
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  was such a just kind of like we said earlier, this just gets going
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  and doesn't stop and doesn't let up because you have that build up to through
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  the fair and then what happens at the fair and kind of the response to
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  that. In a way, it felt like it was part seeing just because
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  also the way I read it was I pretty much got up to the fair
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  like first first read and then stop there and then power through that not never
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  ending action sequence and then kind of yeah either and propelled them to the end.
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  That's a very good point that even though it doesn't have like those physical
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  demarcations in the book is like part one, Part two, Part three,
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  it still is pretty much set up the same way where you have the lead
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  up to the fair, Like you said, what happens at the fair and
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  in the end? Uh oh so this, yeah, I yeah, I
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  the parts didn't necessarily bug me. That was just a comment I had on
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  some differences the chapters. They're not necessarily named, but they do provide you
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  the locations, which I appreciate, especially with having so many characters. One
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  of the comments that I've had on current canon books is that they don't necessarily
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  help you in the transition from character to character, whereas this like knowing,
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  Okay, I'm at the cycle or shipyards, or I'm on Vaalow or I'm
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  on I can't remember the night Hill planet. But it helped kind of distinguish
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  Okay, I'm going to a different character. Now, does that make sense?
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  Yeah? That was awesome to have not totally game of thround stuff a
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  little closer. Yeah. So the first part we've got the introduction and kind
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  of the lead up to the fair, and this we go back into kind
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  of all the different characters. So we've got India Stokes with Bell's that fr
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  who was loading great Storms Padawan. Then we've got Cell and Geos and oh
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  gosh, I can't remember the other master's name, but they're with Lena Soo
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  on bringing them to Valo, India. Stokes and Belle are on the Innovator,
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  which is a science ship that Coursont's bringing out or the Republic's bringing out
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  to kind of lead the way into the frontier, helping with that exploration end
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  of the Outer Rim. And then you've got lsar Man, who I could
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  say he's the star of this book. I'd say I feel like he gets
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  like the most lead time. He definitely feels like the star in the first
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  part. I I almost have to disagree. I will say the one cool
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  thing about the High Republic books is I feel like each character gets just enough
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  time to really get to know those characters, especially for the books that they
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  are in. Because for me, I don't know if it's just that I've
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  gotten way to attach to him, but like Belle, I feel like is
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  like, oh, man, he's such a great character, and he kind
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  of is a star of a book. But I wouldn't say he's the main
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  star. I would also say that Geos might be a, you know,
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  kind of a main focal point of this story as well, because there's a
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  huge plot point that we will eventually get to that kind of puts him at
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  the centerfold of the Jedi Counsel anyway, So like, I don't know,
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  but I will say Man is quite positssibly like it is a tie for second
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  with him and Geos as my as my favorites. So oh, I'd have
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  to disagree. He really pissed me off. I mean, I could see
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  why there's there is definitely a reason why for sure, but I don't know
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  if he's because I will give a shout out to Travis at Geek first they
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  reviewed this, they said that he is very much could possibly be a wild
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  card in the Council and as a Jedi. So that's what kind of gets
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  me really excited for him as a character, you know, because of the
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  incident we'll call it an incident, even though it very well was on purpose,
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  the decision that he made near the end of this book, and that
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  intrigues me and I'm like, oh, that's so cool, you know,
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  So that is I think that's one of the main reasons why. It's just
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  like, oh, Man, you know, I don't know what's going to
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  happen to that character, and I feel like that kind of elevates him to
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  being I don't know, I guess, like you said, him having those
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  moments definitely puts him at a Hey, I am the centerfold of the Jedi
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  in this particular story. Yeah, and especially with the vision he has at
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  the end of the Light of the Jedi and what leads us in in this
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  one, he's on ash Love, which is a moon of Tython Taiwan Tython
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  Tython, which is the home of the Jedi according to a lot of legends
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  books, and looks like it's leading into that in the Cannon world. So
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  he kind of takes a dive off of the deep in there and gets kind
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  of more further delve into the vision that he had and kind of says,
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  Okay, you need to go to Vallo, which he was assigned to follow
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  anyways, going to be the master there as a as a as the lead
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  of leader of the outpost. So Frian, you smiled at that. I
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  want to know your thoughts, So tell me what you're thinking. Uh,
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  you know, I think with his his vision, it's just like all force
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  visions where you just kind of unfortunately believe you're going to solve the problem that's
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  presented to you. And going to Vaalo or he's very like confident as things
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  go well, and it was just it was kind of I was like,
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  does this guy next like have never had a force vision before, did not
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  know what they do. It's you know, reading as someone who knows all
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  about them now for ourselves, but yeah, his his trajectory. I think,
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  like we were talking earlier, just being that kind of wild card and
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  having these visions kind of looking forward to it. It's almost like a Qui
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  gon Gin level of outside the and yeah, it's kind of like a combo
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  platter and I'm like, I want to eat that platter up right now and
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  see what. Yeah, it tastes like, because it's been pretty crazy so
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  far. Yeah, most definitely, So jumping to Indira and bell we kind
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  of get them protecting the Innovator and at the same time kind of exploring the
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  trauma that Belle's faced with losing his master, and we kind of get our
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  perspective here. That definitely differs from the Phantom Menace uh approach, where like
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  obi Wan loses Qui gon and it's kind of just like, Okay, you
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  move on. Great. Granted obi Wan is older than Belle, but still
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  at this case, India is like, you know, it's okay to be
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  attached, but you have to recognize, okay, sometimes you have to move
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  on from those attachments and it's okay to let him go as long as you
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  do the best you can to protect everyone around you. And so that's definitely
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  something quite different from what we've seen covered in I would say, like your
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  current era of the Skywalker saga for Jedi. So what did y'all think about
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  that? Claire starry us off. Well, that whole conversation, you know,
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  Belle, he you know, he got really emotional in those times,
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  and not just once with her, it was also with Geos when they were
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  having the conversation, like during the carnival, he kept on getting choked up
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  because for the fact that I think more so just looking into the Bell character,
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  it's not for the it's not like he saw his master fall so he
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  knows for sure, hey, he is in the Force. It's for the
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  fact that he just disappeared and we're just assuming dead. And that is what
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  he is struggling with throughout the entire book is you know, people are telling
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  him, hey, he's a part of the Force, he is always with
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  you, and Bell knows that not to be true. Because one of the
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  one of the biggest things is him cutting himself off from the Force in this
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  particular story, or he's he's attempting to or he's wanting to pursue that he
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  kind of gets called out for it in the middle of a chapter. I
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  I really enjoyed this part, and I think this is why Bell is my
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  favorite character, because there are traumas and you can't say, oh, it's
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  Star Wars, so it's happy all the time. You know, lightsaber battles
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  and you know freaking star fleets and all of this stuff. These people and
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  individuals, these characters have emotions. And one thing that we always know because
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  it keeps getting like beaten to us throughout. I feel like this the Skywalker
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  saga, and just like the Jedi code altogether, is you know, the
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  cliche that Jedi are supposed to have no emotion, and even Geos I can't
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  remember who talked to him about it, but I thought they were I thought,
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  you're not supposed to have any attachments or you're not supposed to have passion.
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  That's what the phrase was. And he yeah, the reporter and he
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  says, oh, well, that's that's true. It's it's that these passions
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  don't control me, but you can't tell me that I don't have, you
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  know, likes for different things amongst the universe. And again that is just
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  making these characters that we've always seen as like stone Cold in other reiterations,
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  more relatable. So seeing Belle so vulnerable in these moments is just one more
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  focal point to be like, I relate to that. So I really appreciate
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  Bell in that moment of suffering unfortunately, but I I really enjoy the realness
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  of his character and his conquering of that later on. Yeah, that was
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  kind of probably also my favorite journey of the book is just seeing that how
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  he deals with that, And I think about how Jedi the prequeler might have
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  been so easy to have been like, yes, everyone's right, he's with
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  the Force now and kind of given up where in this timeframe there, you
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  know, pushed to be kind of connected and emotional in a sense that that's
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  why he never gave up, and he always kind of hoped that maybe he's
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  out there, and that would also make dealing with the trauma of not having
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  him there very difficult. And then on top of that, he has to
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  go through the trials of Valo essentially just kind of like, how do you
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  deal with that while you also have to deal with all this other trauma going
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  on around you, and how to put that aside to be who you need
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  to be, Like you're talking about that compassion, putting the compassion aside and
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  not be ruled by it and being what you need to be. It was
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  just a very cool way of showing this unique era for the Jedi. Yeah,
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  most Centaly, y'all both said exactly what I was thinking about with Bala's
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  trauma there. I think it's a really cool approach to take and definitely something
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  that isn't necessarily unique in the past Cannon books, but was handled really well
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  here by Cavin. So I appreciated that the last Jedi that we kind of
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  get and clear you kind of touch on this already, but it was with
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  Stell and Gios and kind of the reporter when they're on Linas's ship and we
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  kind of get a more unique perspective into Linas. So as a character,
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  I personally I thought she could have like I needed to know more about her
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  in the light of the Jedi, and I appreciated kind of getting an inside
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  look into who she is as a person and knowing like she's got family here
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  not necessarily portrayed in this part of the book. I'm getting ahead of myself,
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  But so, what did y'all think kind of about a the reporter,
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  like especially kind of like stelling Gios's passion talk to the reporter. There go
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  ahead? Oh well, I was, I was. I went first last
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  time, grind you go ahead? Sure? I kind of yeah, having
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  the reporter was I wasn't expecting that viewpoint. That's definitely one thing that some
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  of these books have been maybe needed more of, was that everyday person looking
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  at this era and the Jedi and having her there in that like thick of
• 26:03
  everything was kind of neat. I think her name is Rhea, but yet
• 26:10
  her being able to like see what Lena is actually really like thinking and feeling
• 26:15
  in between the senator who has some issues with the republic fair even happening,
• 26:21
  and her later deals with people who come into help at the end. It
• 26:27
  was just kind of a just just a very fun way to push our idea
• 26:33
  of the Jedi and Lena, giving us a little better view of them and
• 26:40
  allowing Stellen to kind of be the poster boy he's supposed to be and just
• 26:45
  being like, Okay, this is what obi Wan could have been like potentially
• 26:47
  in a sense, I always felt like he was like an obi Wan,
• 26:51
  very strict following the rules. And then Lena just okay, so she does
• 26:56
  have some emotions that are she does react like a normal human being. She's
• 27:02
  she's definitely a great Chancellor, it seems like, but she is another being
• 27:07
  of the galaxy, and if things go wrong, she has issues with them,
• 27:11
  and so yeah, humanized it or giving her more like context for her
• 27:15
  reactions to stuff and why she's doing the great works definitely helped build up her
• 27:19
  character and I want more. Definitely. I thought selling Geo is kind of
• 27:27
  becoming that poster boy was an interesting decision, Like, yes, he's eye
• 27:33
  catching, as we clearly get from like the artwork that we get and then
• 27:37
  the perspective we get from the news reporter about oh yeah, I see what
• 27:41
  he's the poster boy. But in the same sense, like he's taking it
• 27:45
  seems like he's struggling with his duty as being a council member now and trying
• 27:51
  to find that balance for what he had as a regular Jedi master, which
• 27:56
  i'd agree disagree, I would agree with that absolutely all right, So kind
• 28:06
  of moving on ahead. Really, the last main character that's kind of focused
• 28:11
  on, because we do get one specific chapter that I want to talk about,
• 28:14
  but it's kind of more of a character focused one with Lodin, So
• 28:18
  kind of the last main character we get kind of in this introductory section of
• 28:22
  chapters is ty Yorick, who is a monster hunter and we find her on
• 28:27
  the planet Laura, which I believe her her getting to this planet is going
• 28:33
  to be explored in an upcoming graphic novel by Cavin as well, which is
• 28:38
  the uh It's oh gosh, yeah, Monster is Simple Pink, thank you,
• 28:47
  So that's coming August eleventh, to kind of get more into her backstory.
• 28:49
  But she is featured quite heavily here, and she is on the typical
• 28:55
  cover for The Rising Storm, so that's she's She's definitely kind of main character
• 29:00
  of focus here and I look forward to seeing her explored across future publishing initiative
• 29:07
  pieces, whatever you want to call High Republic. That's something that's something that
• 29:14
  I wanted to ask both of you. So we are getting a very streamline
• 29:19
  and people like to make this comparison MCU type of story with the High Republic.
• 29:29
  But one thing that I feel like is missing and Katie, you and
• 29:34
  Nathan and Greg and Travis not so much as Travis, but have gotten me
• 29:41
  so much into the Legends books. And I've noticed how Okay, there's a
• 29:48
  big whole stories of just like Star Wars, but then you have things like
• 29:55
  a Dooku story, you have an Obi Wan story, you have a Qui
• 29:57
  gon, you have these characters stories. Do you think that we will eventually
• 30:03
  get to the point where we are diving more into characters than we are like
• 30:08
  this overall narrative for the High Republic Do you think we'll get to that point?
• 30:12
  Or No, Ryan, I'm gonna let you touch on them that first,
• 30:15
  because I actually hit on this a couple of times on Stars Lance,
• 30:21
  but I will I won't answer this still, but go for it, Ryan,
• 30:23
  Okay, I hope So in a way, reading like the comics,
• 30:30
  I do feel like those are a little bit more character focus at the moment,
• 30:33
  with like Keith Trenerson, Skier and the High Republic coming from Marvel and
• 30:37
  Lula Tally, Sola and Zine from the Higher Public adventures like it seems to
• 30:45
  be that the books unfortunately aren't gonna be that like character focus, I feel
• 30:49
  like, and they're gonna push that more towards those kind of longer elongated stories
• 30:55
  like the Monster tumpa peak for Ty York, kind of giving her a moment
• 31:00
  if Lorna d has a when the Nile Tempest the audio. So I feel
• 31:06
  like maybe we will be getting more of those. I just don't know if
• 31:11
  the main thrust, the main focus is going to be those, and maybe
• 31:15
  after the phases are over, they'll do like we'll go back and we'll kind
• 31:19
  of fill in some links for some people. Yeah, yeah, writer,
• 31:25
  sorry, no, you're good my writer Chris. He also writes that minic
• 31:30
  manner, he and I kind of had a discussion about this recently too.
• 31:33
  We were just he was kind of like, I want more of that because
• 31:36
  I like these characters so much. So yeah, I kind of hope that
• 31:38
  they do go that way. One of the things that I have kind of
• 31:42
  talked about is, yes, I do want more character focused books, because
• 31:48
  while I do plan on reading the comics, like I'm not a buy them
• 31:52
  every month type of person. I like them all like bound up, So
• 31:56
  I've got the trades on pre order, I promise, But for me,
• 32:00
  like I really appreciated the character driven books from the Legends, Like even if
• 32:06
  you're splitting perspectives, like you're still getting that overarching tale of Luke Skywalker from
• 32:12
  Return of the Jedi to where he fights Ableath, like you're getting one full
• 32:16
  story there, and I can definitely like I've always appreciated that, Like that's
• 32:21
  why I'm a Legends person. But I one thing I think that they're going
• 32:25
  to try and do is kind of take it kind of like Skywalker War,
• 32:30
  which Kristin Baber wrote, which is a biography set in the Star Wars universe.
• 32:36
  It's written by someone in the Star Wars universe, and kind of taking
• 32:38
  it that way. So I think after this comes to, after we get
• 32:45
  like maybe one or two phases pulled up, maybe even all three, we're
• 32:49
  gonna get different author's perspectives and they're gonna write the individual Jedi character stories,
• 32:54
  like maybe we'll get an A. R. Chris novel something to kind of
• 32:58
  give us a different perspective, because right now there's only five authors and several
• 33:02
  artists involved in the High Republic, and at some point, like we know
• 33:07
  Phase one is gonna go for at least two years, and so this could
• 33:13
  go out to twenty twenty six. But do you really want not to say
• 33:16
  that they're not phenomenal authors, y'all? But do you really want three phases
• 33:22
  told from the same author's perspective the whole way through. Like, one of
• 33:24
  the great things that I found about the New Jedi Order was that there were
• 33:28
  several perspectives going on, and each book kind of took on a character.
• 33:34
  Like you get several perspectives from Jana and Jason solo or Anakin solo, and
• 33:37
  then you get like the Luke and Leah Luke and Mara Leah and Han Wedge
• 33:44
  all that kind of stuff, and you get kind of all those and they're
• 33:46
  wrapped up into one big story. So I think that's fully possible. But
• 33:50
  I think they're gonna they might stick with the five authors through the main books
• 33:53
  like The Light of the Jedi and The Rising Storm, but then kind of
• 33:58
  intertwine some authors to tell us more character focused stories, if that makes sense.
• 34:06
  Yeah, But before we kind of move on anywhere, I want to
• 34:14
  talk about geos just like we were, And then I think we should go
• 34:16
  onto another ad break or our first ad brick. So I will say listening
• 34:24
  to this audiobook, I could not get Geos like the way I picture him
• 34:31
  because of the way Thompson gives his accent. It is totally Russell Crowe,
• 34:37
  like like Man of Steel, Russell Crowe like from Krypton. And I was
• 34:44
  just like, this sounds amazing. If Russell Crowe could be Geos in a
• 34:49
  live action film, let's freaking bring it on, Like that's what I would
• 34:52
  want at this point. But he was phenomenal throughout this entire thing, you
• 35:00
  know, being the poster child for uh, this entire event brought this uh
• 35:07
  you know, like you were saying this whole idea of him, Well,
• 35:13
  that was Man actually being the Qui gon uh. Geos is like what obi
• 35:19
  Wan is near like the end of like or like between Clone Wars and Revenge
• 35:27
  of the Sith. Basically he gives off that Qui Gone energy, I mean,
• 35:30
  the the obi Wan energy, to be completely honest, and he kind
• 35:36
  of has that banter with Man that really gives off that kind of relationship.
• 35:40
  And I really did enjoy that between those two, and you kind of got
• 35:45
  this not a whole bunch of background when they were Padawan's, but you kind
• 35:47
  of got this like oh, he used to help me a lot, and
• 35:51
  oh, I used to help him. We got a little bit of their
• 35:54
  uh background with Geos not being one hundred percent compatible was not really the word
• 36:02
  I was looking for, but like, uh, he wasn't really good with
• 36:06
  animals was one thing that we learned with this uh. And then we see
• 36:09
  a moment where Man, you know, he he was the one that helped
• 36:13
  him as a padawan, and then you kind of see why later on in
• 36:15
  the in the midst of all the chaos near the end of the book,
• 36:19
  we get to see Man use the force in that manner to show like,
• 36:23
  hey, this is how I was able to do that. So with Geos,
• 36:29
  I will just say that I really loved him as a character because he
• 36:32
  brought the I feel like, like the hope of the of the Jedi in
• 36:39
  the sense of uh. There's a moment where he is, like you said,
• 36:45
  crying on the live broadcast or whatever, and so everybody's like, whoa,
• 36:49
  this is a Jedi and he's like showing emotion to the entire galaxy.
• 36:55
  I feel like that was very much something Obi Wan would do if if it
• 37:00
  wasn't the way the Council is at that moment, you know, I will
• 37:07
  gush all over these characters. To be completely honest, there's so many things
• 37:12
  with each individual character that I'm just like, Yes, this is what I've
• 37:15
  wanted from these characters as far as like Jedi that I was never able to
• 37:20
  get in like this. Like I said before, this kind of cold hearted
• 37:27
  like and it's more so because of the things that are happening now in the
• 37:30
  High Republic and what we see will eventually evolve into the council that we get
• 37:35
  when you know Yoda is the head and you know we have made swindle and
• 37:38
  all of that. But yeah, Katie, if you want to push us
• 37:43
  into our ad break and then we can move on from there. Y'all,
• 37:47
  I appreciate your listening to ads. We all do. So we will be
• 37:52
  right back and we are back. Thanks for listening, y'all, appreciate it
• 37:59
  again always, So let me talk it. So we are going to kind
• 38:07
  of jump into kind of the next part. So we'ren Valo and granted,
• 38:16
  okay, we missed one thing I forgot about, So Marchian Rowe pulls this
• 38:21
  for sensitive guy. This is something we got to talk about because this is
• 38:24
  relevant to the end of the book. So I'm sorry y'all skipping back.
• 38:29
  Oh So, Marcian Rowe kind of goes to this planet. I don't even
• 38:32
  remember the planet, but he pulls the specific four sensitive, a member of
• 38:38
  a four sensitive species whose name is d dis something I don't know, y'all.
• 38:45
  It's dis, So we're going with d. So he pulls him into
• 38:53
  what feels like one of Roe's home planets, Innocence, uh, and we
• 39:00
  meet Roe's cousin and whose name is Kufa, and Cufa's like fawning all over
• 39:07
  Rome. It's like, oh, you're back, You're back. And so,
• 39:08
  long story short, we get to the end of this and they go
• 39:12
  to this cave and Dia is like overwhelmed by kind of these four sensations.
• 39:17
  We don't know their force sensations at the time, but kind of like feeling
• 39:21
  like his father's kind of overwhelming him and kind of driving that fear back into
• 39:24
  him, only to find out kind of that this was Roe's plan all along,
• 39:30
  and Roe simply brought him along as a test dummy to see if the
• 39:37
  leveler actually does what it's prophesied to do on his planets, which is attack
• 39:43
  force sensitive beings. And we'll get to this later on because this is the
• 39:46
  last thing we're gonna talk about, because otherwise I don't know if I'm gonna
• 39:49
  make it through the entire podcast, so we're gonna save that for the very
• 39:52
  end. But there's some context there. So what did y'all think about this
• 39:55
  level or being? And Ryan, I don't know how much background you have
• 40:00
  in legends, but to me, it kind of felt like a mix of
• 40:02
  the Yes, yes, the Y S L A M A I R I
• 40:08
  is Sammary yeah, something, which are bigs that kind of eliminate the force
• 40:15
  within a specific bubble and if you change, you'll say, together then you
• 40:19
  can cover like an acre or however, it depends on how many of the
• 40:23
  little guys that you have, And it kind of felt like a mix of
• 40:27
  him and then the use on Vongs like I can't even remember what they're called,
• 40:31
  the Volkra, where they like specifically can like sniff out Jedi force beings
• 40:37
  and like hunt them down, and they're used on when the young Jedi go
• 40:42
  and attack. The use on vong home planet kind of in the region,
• 40:47
  So it kind of felt like a mix of those. Would you agree disagree?
• 40:51
  Yeah? I actually hadn't thought about that. I have read those stories
• 40:54
  sometimes I kind of like, don't think about putting that in perspective. I
• 40:59
  kind of like that idea. Yeah, it's almost like a the level or
• 41:02
  effects in a bubble sized area. I kind of prefer that it's not like
• 41:08
  a negating of the force, that it is something that perverts it almost in
• 41:13
  a sense. Yeah, because it did set out to like ask this question
• 41:16
  what makes the Jedi afraid? And I feel like this is kind of a
• 41:21
  cooler way of like, oh, I can't feel the force. Isn't always
• 41:23
  a I didn't feel like it was the most frightening thing for a Jedi.
• 41:28
  This I think as OODI, this or whatever the name is, experiences that
• 41:32
  it really kind of like, yeah, the fear of his dad, like
• 41:35
  he's is his dad here? Is he? Is? He? Not here
• 41:37
  with me? Am I in this cave with this random guy like what?
• 41:40
  It kind of like just that like sensation where he's just so overwhelmed. It's
• 41:45
  definitely kind of has some roots in some of those other ideas and takes it
• 41:49
  to like a total new level exactly, which is where I think kind of
• 41:53
  the horror perspective kind of really flares its ugly head here, not to say
• 41:59
  that it's ugly, but like it's the same, Clay, what did you
• 42:02
  think of our initial Well, look into the level, especially you know,
• 42:09
  talking about the horror aspect, especially listening to this the music tones, the
• 42:16
  shaking of the voices, when, like you said, I can't remember off
• 42:22
  the top of my head, diz dez whatever, you really get into the
• 42:27
  chaotic psyche of when everything starts to break down. He is starting to feel
• 42:35
  heavy, he's getting headaches, he is getting very much disoriented, he's hearing
• 42:40
  voices, he's seeing things. So much is going on so quickly and to
• 42:49
  get the turn that we got because at this point we learn, like you
• 42:57
  said, it's Marsha and Rose family that is helping out. And she she
• 43:02
  was a hute like just her the way they portrayed her as far as her
• 43:07
  voice and how like she was just a crazy old woman to be completely honest,
• 43:14
  Like, at one point, I forgot what creature was protecting, uh
• 43:20
  that cave, but they were like absolutely terrified and they all got yeah,
• 43:27
  so they all got into a fight with it. And that was the first
• 43:30
  hint of des like maybe feeling something. So he thought, oh, well,
• 43:36
  it was the spider, and then you slowly start to realize, no,
• 43:40
  it was not the spider at all, which is absolutely terrifying. I
• 43:47
  was looking up the creature that you guys were talking about because I'm not very
• 43:52
  familiar with the Legends books. Uh they salaam, it's a lizard. It's
• 44:00
  a lizard sque creature that can grow up to fifty centimeters. With the way
• 44:07
  it's talking about how it creates this bubble with the force, it almost feels
• 44:15
  like that because small spoilers for the end of this book, well, I
• 44:22
  will just say somebody and we will get to it. A character feels like
• 44:29
  they saw something, and now looking at this creature and kind of picturing everything,
• 44:37
  it kind of felt like maybe it was something that was on four legs,
• 44:43
  because it doesn't really describe it. And I was very confused because the
• 44:46
  ending of this book happened so quick, like to the point where I was
• 44:52
  just like, wait a minute, rewind listen to it at least three or
• 44:55
  four times. So we will get to that eventually. But the way this
• 45:01
  whole story for Dez ends is quite possibly the most bone chilling ending for a
• 45:09
  character that could It's almost like he couldn't function afterwards, and it's like,
• 45:20
  I don't know how he would have recovered in a sense, And like,
• 45:24
  especially going into the end of the book, like this creature affects characters that
• 45:29
  we've come to love, and now all of a sudden, we go,
• 45:32
  okay, well, now what's going to happen? Well are they gonna be
• 45:37
  okay? Not just that, because Marcion Rowe questions him throughout this experience.
• 45:44
  He's he's walking and he's they're trying to have conversation and he's like, do
• 45:49
  you feel something? And des is like, well, we don't feel things.
• 45:52
  We feel the force in an entirely different way with vibrations. And so
• 45:58
  to Marcion Row He's like, okay, well this is the bottom of the
• 46:00
  barrel force user and this is what it does to him. Oh man,
• 46:06
  I cannot wait until I get to use it on a Jedi. Like That's
• 46:08
  probably what Marchian gro was thinking at this moment. I'm just like, why
• 46:14
  don't do this to our characters? But yeah, it was, like I
• 46:19
  said, bone chilling for sure. It's kind of cool that you got to
• 46:22
  listen to it. I kind of like wish I had listened to it because
• 46:27
  I I kind of want to hear like, yeah, like the the way
• 46:30
  they kind of played the music and the tones and maybe the kind of like
• 46:32
  any like creature sounds. Potentially that's kind of neat. I love Mark Thompson
• 46:39
  as a narrator. He's perfect. He always kills Star Wars. I can't
• 46:44
  wait to listen to him do Rogue Squadron. However, I got to the
• 46:46
  point where I literally because I was listening into it too, and I got
• 46:50
  into the valo action and I was like, Okay, this is not being
• 46:53
  read fast enough for me. Because I'm a speed reader. I scan things
• 46:57
  like so I was like, I got smooth. So I ended up like
• 47:01
  borrowing the kindle book and then reading through the rest of the kindle book.
• 47:06
  So maybe I need to go back and listen to the end of it.
• 47:08
  I read one point five speed. I did too, and it was still
• 47:15
  too slow for me. Oh my goodness, Now see for me one point
• 47:17
  five speed. One point five speed basically gets rid of the like the dead
• 47:23
  air in between words, so it does sound a little fast, but not
• 47:29
  too fast to where like people are sounding like chipmunks and things like that.
• 47:31
  So you could still listen to it. Normally it's just some words if they're
• 47:37
  too small, kind of like jumple together, but you can pretty much pick
• 47:40
  it up, you know, pretty quickly. All right. So transitioning into
• 47:46
  Valo, so we get the republic fair perspective, everything kind of sets up
• 47:51
  nicely. We find out that the chancellor has a son who she's brought with
• 47:55
  her to Valo, and the kind of all hell breaks loose. The Chancellor's
• 48:02
  son goes off with his date that we find out like they're they're going on
• 48:08
  a date away from the rest of the group, and then the night he'll
• 48:13
  attack, and then it's just this is where it got too slow for me.
• 48:20
  I was like, Okay, I need to figure out what happens next,
• 48:22
  because it's it's literally like boom bang, boom bang. So what did
• 48:27
  you think of this, Brian, as you aptly called it, one giant
• 48:30
  action sequence? Uh, definitely. I wasn't expecting it to Like when whatever
• 48:38
  chapter number it was, I was like, curious, there's so many more
• 48:43
  pages and chapters left us, Like, there's no way this is going to
• 48:45
  go over this entire time frame. And then I was so happy it did
• 48:49
  because it was the way he kind of like, we're gonna follow Bell for
• 48:52
  a moment, and then we're gonna cut away to Stellan and his group,
• 48:58
  and when we're gonna cut away someone else, and then we'll go back to
• 49:00
  Bell. And it just kind of really like built this like a continual excalation.
• 49:06
  But I mean, yeah, that's why I can't imagine trying to listen
• 49:09
  to it. I read too fast for so sometimes with audio books, and
• 49:14
  I'd have to listen probably a two speed to feel comfortable because I was just
• 49:19
  couldn't put it down, could not put it. Yeah, it the way
• 49:22
  they were switching between chapters and those perspectives, because you even get India Stokes
• 49:27
  in there, like in her vector, as well as kind of like other
• 49:30
  Jedi. But it's mainly the focuses here are stellin L's are Bell and Indira,
• 49:37
  i'd say, and it all kind of switches between those perspectives. But
• 49:40
  it almost feels like a TV show or a movie here where they're all rushing
• 49:45
  towards the end, but you obviously can't when they all go into different directions.
• 49:50
  You can't see everything happen at once. Oh, you get ties Ties
• 49:54
  perspective in here, too. I'm sorry I forgot you, Tie, I
• 50:00
  will say, like at this point, this is I'm it's been four days
• 50:07
  since I finished the book, so I apologize if I trip up on some
• 50:10
  parts. But this is when like Bell gets his confidence back correct within the
• 50:16
  force. Like I love those moments because, like I was telling Katie before
• 50:27
  we start recording, people call that. People are calling this the Empire strikes
• 50:31
  back of the High Republic right now, and very much like like I can
• 50:39
  agree with that because of the ending, but there's small moments within the book
• 50:45
  that kind of like get you, like gripping your the edge of your seat
• 50:49
  or whatever, because in particular, Belle, you know, you see him
• 50:52
  get all of this confidence back. He's connected into the force and he's saving
• 50:58
  this this married couple, and all of a sudden, the floor crashes from
• 51:04
  underneath them and you're like, wait what what what? No? No,
• 51:07
  wait he just he like and it just it was great. I loved this
• 51:15
  entire scene, if you want to call it one big scene, I absolutely
• 51:19
  loved it. I love the different perspectives and I love how Cavin was able
• 51:25
  to connect them all very very intricately, because there's moments like with Geus.
• 51:37
  He is starting to get very much beaten up. He is almost out.
• 51:43
  Uh. There there comes a time in this book where an eye is swollen
• 51:49
  shut. He is all bruised and cut and it jumps away and you're like,
• 51:55
  well, what's happening to him? And we jumped to man where he
• 51:59
  is flying on this freaking dragon, which is absolutely amazing in Star Wars,
• 52:05
  and then he tells ty hey, by the way, I hope you can
• 52:10
  control two of these things, and he just jumps off of the dragon and
• 52:15
  then he meets up with Geos and you're like, oh, that was so
• 52:20
  cool, like the way Kevin was able to, Like you said, they're
• 52:25
  all they're all going to a point they're all going to eventually meet, and
• 52:30
  it does feel like a you know, just something that everybody can kind of
• 52:37
  relate to and Avengers type moving while they're all fighting in different spaces or whatever,
• 52:42
  and then eventually there's that team up moment. Eventually there there's a point
• 52:45
  where they say, hey, we're all together again and everything seems to be
• 52:52
  okay. But unfortunately there is a casualty to this scene and I like,
• 53:00
  for I think it was right after the moment where where we get back to
• 53:07
  Bell when you randomly see him saving Chancellor's son with that small group of individuals
• 53:16
  that are in that ship underwater, and just seeing those small moments because you
• 53:24
  now see Bell at like his full confinance, because they're like, well,
• 53:30
  how are you gonna do this? He's like, oh, well, the
• 53:32
  forces got me. I'm good. Compared to where you saw him at the
• 53:37
  beginning. It's just great and him coming into his own power here and going
• 53:44
  you know what, Loan was right, I'm ready to be a Jedi knight
• 53:46
  and I'm ready to move on. Yes, that was so cool and I
• 53:51
  loved that. I was cheering. I was sitting at my desk work and
• 53:52
  I was like yes, and then Ember, of course can't talk out.
• 54:00
  You know, ya just gets my heart, my entire life, and it's
• 54:07
  just that like connection. I was like, if I was a Jedi,
• 54:09
  that's what I would want. A fire breathing dog, dragon Like it's just
• 54:15
  amazing. I don't think I'll ever get over the animals that are in this
• 54:22
  in this universe, they're absolutely insane, uh Like they're I can't remember exactly
• 54:28
  what it was described as. I almost saw it like some sort of like
• 54:32
  tiger esque animal that Man was fighting off before the foreheaded thing, yes,
• 54:38
  the foreheaded uh yes. But Tie eventually helps him and that's when they have
• 54:47
  their intimate moment and you see Tie as who she was before. And I
• 54:55
  think Tie is another character that I'm like, Okay, that's somebody that I
• 55:02
  that I want to know more about outside of this story, because even Man
• 55:07
  was asking those questions like ooh, like, who who was she before then?
• 55:14
  Because you saw like little spurts of her memories when they were connected into
• 55:19
  the force, And I absolutely love that. Yeah, Tai, if you've
• 55:24
  read Dooku or listened to Dooku Jedi Lost, what part of her backstory is
• 55:31
  kind of mentioned in a sense with the character like connection. It was like
• 55:35
  one of the Easter eggs in there. I've been like dying to like finally
• 55:37
  see, and so when I saw like her history and then this person's name,
• 55:42
  I was just like, oh, Like she's got a very like,
• 55:46
  very complicated pass with the Jedi. The fact that like the Jedi don't even
• 55:50
  like they like look through their records and they're like I don't know who this
• 55:52
  was, Like how does that happen? Like what could lead to something like
• 55:57
  that. It's kind of a very cool, like exciting story that I can't
• 56:00
  wait to see hopefully a little bit in that comic book that's coming up.
• 56:06
  Yeah, so what did y'all think? Kind of of ls are Man's dark
• 56:13
  side moments? Jaw dropping, Like I will just say it. You know,
• 56:20
  there's there's a moment where they describe the what do they call him,
• 56:27
  islands kind of in the sky, and yes, and he takes full advantage.
• 56:34
  He takes full advantage of the of what lays before him. And I
• 56:39
  don't know exactly what power of the force that he uses, but he basically
• 56:46
  makes it implode in order to like fend off the night Hill. And you
• 56:58
  see that moment of like, oh, you know, he he indulges in
• 57:04
  it for a split second. He's like no, no, no, no,
• 57:07
  no, that cannot happen. But just for the fact that he did
• 57:12
  it is something for me. And like I said, this is what makes
• 57:15
  him the wild card. And it's just like, Okay, is this something
• 57:21
  that he's going to struggle with or is he strong enough to move past it?
• 57:29
  And Geos actually confronts him about it because he he is man enough pun
• 57:35
  intended to go to Geos and say hey, this is what happened, and
• 57:42
  Geos tells him, well, I know that you are not that person because
• 57:49
  you came to me about it and we can work together to move past it,
• 57:53
  which again is a very very human thing to do. Like, hey,
• 58:00
  I'm I'm struggling with this. I need a support system. And they're
• 58:05
  actually supporting each other rather than just be like, oh well the Force can
• 58:09
  help with that. Just study the Force, you know, yeah, yeah,
• 58:16
  what do you think, Brian? I kind of agree with that.
• 58:20
  That just the way that they can have that support system. I keep going
• 58:24
  back to the like Anakin and obi Wan that they kind of almost are both
• 58:29
  like els Ivan and Anakin, and he Stellan being the obi Wan here that
• 58:35
  like it takes I think about the scene in an Attack of the Clones and
• 58:38
  Itkin goes off in the tust and Raiders and he just kind of tells his
• 58:44
  soon to be wife and he can't really talk about with obi Wan. It's
• 58:46
  like, well, what happened? What would happened if he was able to
• 58:50
  talk with obi Wan about it and they could like support each other and like
• 58:53
  he could show him to go away from that moment and This is kind of
• 58:59
  a test case, I guess, of that scene and a different version of
• 59:04
  it, and just the idea of yeah, man touching the dark side this
• 59:08
  early in the era story was very surprising, very like you said, Bone,
• 59:14
  It's just kind of like, I did not see this coming. But
• 59:17
  maybe he'll be able to control it, and the wild card status is going
• 59:22
  to be very exciting to see. Yeah, I definitely agree with him being
• 59:28
  a wildcard. I think one of the things to kind of look at is
• 59:30
  the way he interprets the force is the like it's a never ending scene.
• 59:37
  And I feel like the way he reached down it was literally just a deep
• 59:42
  plunge, whereas with the sea you kind of have to learn how to rock
• 59:44
  with it and everything. And I feel like if he had kind of gradually
• 59:47
  taken that plunge into it, it would have had more light side power to
• 59:52
  it. But because he just said I need to fix this, and I
• 59:53
  need to fix this now, it was the you're crashing into the tsunami type
• 59:59
  thing and just kind of plunge too deep. It'll be interesting to see how
• 1:00:05
  that progresses. Like y'all said, in the upcoming story, for him,
• 1:00:12
  it was funny to kind of see him go, oh, well, I'll
• 1:00:15
  start back over at pad one now if I have to, like that's a
• 1:00:17
  commitment right there to kind of say like, oh yeah, I'm just gonna
• 1:00:22
  start over now, like become a new Jedi. And that's not how that
• 1:00:25
  works else art, that's not how it works. Well, I got two
• 1:00:30
  questions for you guys. One is so he uses the Dark Side here,
• 1:00:37
  right, and as far as the High Republic goes, I have not.
• 1:00:45
  Just like you guys, I'm waiting. I think Ryan, you said you're
• 1:00:49
  reading the comics right now currently, right, I am waiting for the trade
• 1:00:52
  unfortunately, just because I feel like, hey, if I can read it
• 1:00:57
  all at once, that's how it's going to go for me. But so
• 1:01:01
  far, and you guys can correct me if I am wrong, we haven't
• 1:01:07
  really dealt with Sith like we've dealt with like the ominous Dark Side, right,
• 1:01:15
  But we haven't dealt with Sith except for mentioning like a small thing about
• 1:01:22
  like the the Sith War. I think, right, I think there was
• 1:01:25
  a small mention of it, maybe even in this book as well. For
• 1:01:31
  me, as a newer like fanatic of Star Wars, I feel like Katie
• 1:01:37
  has made me. I'm like, Okay, when is that moment going to
• 1:01:44
  happen? Do we do you feel like we are going to interact with a
• 1:01:47
  member of the Sith uh here? Or are they gonna wait until after the
• 1:01:54
  Disney Plus show of uh oh, shoot, I forgot the name of it,
• 1:01:59
  the Alkalite. The Alkalite, yeah, because that is supposed to be
• 1:02:04
  like the the Dwellings of, like the Dark Side and the Sith apparently,
• 1:02:08
  So like, how do you guys feel about that? Katie can go ahead.
• 1:02:15
  I think they don't want to cross over a bridge that they feel has
• 1:02:19
  kind of been explored too much, maybe necessarily in Legends, because one of
• 1:02:25
  the things Tom mentioned has mentioned in an interview we did with him was that
• 1:02:30
  they don't want to They want to try to beer off a different story path.
• 1:02:35
  So people who feel like Legends exist can still say, oh, okay,
• 1:02:37
  yes, nothing has contradicted my Legends story. It's just happening on a
• 1:02:42
  different planet right now. So I feel like that's still kind of the perspective
• 1:02:45
  they're choosing to take with this. I've seen some theories that say, like
• 1:02:51
  like they're trying to kind of reintroduce the Sith species with Marcion Rose character because
• 1:02:58
  we don't currently know what species he is, So I find that kind of
• 1:03:01
  interesting to kind of say, Okay, if we have seen mentioned of the
• 1:03:06
  Sith Wars, so if he was a part, if his family was a
• 1:03:09
  part of that, then kind of is he a refugee from that? Is
• 1:03:15
  that how he and his father escaped or what he and his father escaped from.
• 1:03:21
  Is I don't think we'll see the Sith as a whole like dark side
• 1:03:25
  of Force users in this, because we see with the lightsaber reusearch that Marchion
• 1:03:30
  Row has in this, he's very clunky. He doesn't flow with the lightsaber
• 1:03:35
  like a typical Force user would, So I don't think he's a Force user,
• 1:03:40
  especially with him controlling the leveler with the artifact, so I think it
• 1:03:45
  would have affected him too much to kind of do this. So I think
• 1:03:50
  he is the main villain and we just kind of grapple with what causes the
• 1:03:55
  Jedi to fear. Yeah, think the only time we might see is if
• 1:04:02
  I was talking with with Chris again and we were discussing maybe it's feeling.
• 1:04:08
  Maybe it'll be a story where we finally get to see them but they're kind
• 1:04:12
  of in the background and they're just like watching these events unfolded, and was
• 1:04:15
  like they're doing their own thing, and maybe we'll see the whole story from
• 1:04:19
  their perspective, maybe once or twice. I don't think. Yeah, I
• 1:04:23
  don't think they're going to be a main antagonists. They're not going to be
• 1:04:26
  a driving force against anything. But maybe you'll get to see how they're finding
• 1:04:29
  the profit from this chaos and what they can use to continue their own goals.
• 1:04:34
  Yeah, because even with the Alcolyte being reported to take place at the
• 1:04:40
  end of the Higher Republic, I know one thing that's kind of maybe irke
• 1:04:45
  authors innocent is having to depend on a TV show or a movie to kind
• 1:04:50
  of guide your storytelling. And so while they may the story group may come
• 1:04:56
  in and say, hey, can you throw an Easter egg in here for
• 1:04:58
  the Accolyte, I don't think the Alkalie's going to tie in as much to
• 1:05:02
  the Higher Republic as we think it's going to. So okay, okay,
• 1:05:06
  because that was something else I was wondering. But before I ask my second
• 1:05:10
  question, because I feel like it might go into like an entire conversation about
• 1:05:14
  L's Arman. Let's go ahead and take our second ad break. Of course,
• 1:05:19
  we do not choose the ads, so I do apologize if there's anything
• 1:05:25
  offensive. I've been getting a whole bunch of Starbucks recently, and lo and
• 1:05:30
  behold, I got a Starbucks. You one ad, you won. But
• 1:05:33
  let's go ahead and do that, and we will be right back and we
• 1:05:40
  all got thanks listening. You'll appreciate it, all right. So my second
• 1:05:45
  question, how did you feel about the very what l'sar Man might consider a
• 1:05:56
  drunken mistake, Katie, I want your opinion first, So it didn't blug
• 1:06:05
  me because we know Jedi have sex, like it was mentioned i think in
• 1:06:11
  the light of the Jedi with they're like, oh, so you're monks,
• 1:06:13
  you're celibate, or it was mentioned in some book and they're like, oh
• 1:06:17
  well sure, Like I think that was from wreath perspective and into the Dark
• 1:06:21
  actually, but it was like kind of no, you can still have those
• 1:06:27
  relations, but you just don't need to be attached. And so to me,
• 1:06:30
  he's like a drunken mistake. I think that's him kind of going off
• 1:06:34
  onto shit. I'm a master now and now I have to like act the
• 1:06:39
  part so for me, it didn't necessarily bug me, but it kind of
• 1:06:45
  was funny him going through the rest of the book going well, I had
• 1:06:47
  sex and now I'm caught with my pants down kind of thing. Right,
• 1:06:54
  how'd you feel? Yeah, I that kind of reminds me of a Master
• 1:07:00
  Prentice the prequel novel with like Quaign and obia Wan and yeah, there's that
• 1:07:04
  one kind of just like Jedi who's been chilling out on this planet. He's
• 1:07:10
  been just enjoying several encounters and yeah, so it was just Man though doing
• 1:07:18
  it, especially as this protector in this moment, was a little surprising.
• 1:07:23
  I don't think it bother me too much. It was just kind of like,
• 1:07:26
  ah, so we're gonna tackle this as well with the Jedi in this
• 1:07:28
  air, We're gonna we're not gonna shy away from maybe seeing how there is
• 1:07:32
  that more like stricter feel when Anakin's around, Like obviously they'll probably see something
• 1:07:38
  more. Don't expect Man's gonna stop there. I don't. As much as
• 1:07:43
  he wants to be a Master and I just he is that wild card.
• 1:07:45
  He is kind of the qua gon. I think he's gonna probably make more
• 1:07:49
  drunken mistakes and it's probably gonna be the funnest part of his story is just
• 1:07:54
  watching him teeter that line with Stellen kind of right behind and maybe hopefully agar
• 1:07:59
  a little bit more soon. Very nice. Yeah, I didn't know what
• 1:08:05
  to expect when things were starting to heat up a bit, and then all
• 1:08:12
  of a sudden you just see him waking up and he's like, oh crap,
• 1:08:15
  you know. And I could very much visualize this in some sort of
• 1:08:19
  movie, which, you know, I've had several conversations with people whether like
• 1:08:24
  these books should be either interpreted into live action or put into like animation or
• 1:08:29
  something for a movie or whatever. Either way, I would really enjoy both,
• 1:08:33
  to be completely honest. But like in visioning the scene of him like
• 1:08:39
  using the force to like grab his clothes and like make sure things don't fall,
• 1:08:43
  and he's wondering where she is and all of this other stuff is very
• 1:08:48
  very funny, just because we've all seen it in your you know, very
• 1:08:54
  average romantic comedy movie and so seeing it in the spot of like, hey,
• 1:08:59
  this is a Jedi just makes it to where it's like, okay,
• 1:09:03
  like Katie said, you know, we have heard that this is not something
• 1:09:09
  new. But because of the one thing that I've been saying all along is
• 1:09:15
  the Legends books and the more modern Jedi way is like tisk tisk, like
• 1:09:23
  no, no, no, you know. So it was just very kind
• 1:09:27
  of jarring at the moment, but after kind of letting it marinate and how
• 1:09:30
  it affected him, I was like, Okay, this is just your normal
• 1:09:35
  guy is like this is this is what happened one night, and I hope
• 1:09:40
  we can move past it and make it a learning experience, you know.
• 1:09:44
  So I I did enjoy it well for me. It's just kind of funny
• 1:09:48
  how some mirror reacts after that where she's just like cold giving him the cold
• 1:09:55
  shoulder, Like yeah, I was the happiest with how she dealt with it
• 1:10:01
  and how she like in front of him at the end. I was just
• 1:10:03
  like wow, I was hoping that she had a little bit more to like
• 1:10:08
  to say, a little more you know, agency in that moment and like
• 1:10:13
  discussing that with him, and it was just very cool. She like took
• 1:10:15
  ownership and she's like no more. Yeah, So are you all ready to
• 1:10:24
  talk about the end of the book? Yes, hopefully prepared. I think
• 1:10:32
  I am too. So at the end of the value crisis. We kind
• 1:10:38
  of have a lot of things going on. Stellan meets with the council,
• 1:10:43
  talks about how the Chancellor has survived, talks about the events that happened,
• 1:10:47
  and race to Crash Point Tower with ernestra row uh Lula and Ram who finds
• 1:10:54
  the Night Hill. We're actually planting drin gear seeds at the communications hour and
• 1:11:00
  that was what was preventing them from kind of communicating off world. So that
• 1:11:06
  book was interesting. I'll talk about that more on Sunday with Nathan, just
• 1:11:10
  kind of briefly touch on it, but in this sense. So they managed
• 1:11:15
  to capture one of the Night Hill that was going after real and the Jedi
• 1:11:20
  archivist Oblin I think it's his name. So they managed to capture him and
• 1:11:30
  they have kind of a conversation with him and they're like, you're gonna show
• 1:11:33
  us where your hideout is, and elswhere kind of goes off script and it
• 1:11:40
  freaked me out for a second, like him going full Ana kid sky walking
• 1:11:43
  there. I'm gonna force choke you until you tell me the truth. And
• 1:11:45
  I was like, dude, what the fuck? Like I thought you were
• 1:11:47
  good, Like I thought we had this conversation with Stelen and then all of
• 1:11:50
  a sudden, like the Nihil escapes with the weapon person which we're gonna talk
• 1:11:55
  about the weapon, but that's just kind of like a minor picking the story,
• 1:12:00
  but we'll talk about that after this because end of plot. Anyways,
• 1:12:03
  so he escapes with her onto a ship, and what we don't know is
• 1:12:12
  that it was all planned. So Elzar was like directed to do that by
• 1:12:16
  Stellin and I'm like, dude, are like you scare the crap out of
• 1:12:19
  me, Like, don't do that. And Stellin was also architecting in Dera
• 1:12:25
  Stokes and Belle Zedephar to get on the ship and kind of hide in the
• 1:12:30
  cargo hold with the night Hild to kind of track down the group. And
• 1:12:38
  so we land on the planet which is like Gray Hill or something, and
• 1:12:45
  the night Hild takes off the with the girl runs into Lorna d and it's
• 1:12:49
  like Lorna, He's like, did you check for a tracker? And he's
• 1:12:53
  like, oh, no, I didn't think that far ahead. This is
• 1:12:55
  kind of funny because you're like, oh, the first thing you always check
• 1:12:58
  is if they put a tracker on board. Because I'm amazed, like the
• 1:13:00
  guy was just so stupid and just like completely didn't think to check anywhere.
• 1:13:05
  And it's like, oh yeah, I'm just going to go back home immediately,
• 1:13:09
  Like no problem. Anyways, let's just think of that whole thing.
• 1:13:15
  Does it feel too plot holy or is it just like he's just anxious to
• 1:13:17
  get home? I will say no, because they kind of gave you the
• 1:13:25
  type of character he is prior in the book. There was there was a
• 1:13:30
  moment with Marcion, Rowe and Pan and all of them where he kind of
• 1:13:34
  sounded like the it's a trope character. I can't necessarily name a character right
• 1:13:45
  off hand right now, but I feel like it's a very trope character that
• 1:13:48
  they're always going to be very close to the leader. But also kind of
• 1:13:53
  like you said, dumb and stupid or whatever, just his his his mannerisms
• 1:14:00
  in the way that Thompson kind of gave him in this voice when asked,
• 1:14:06
  hey, did you check for a tracker? And he's like, no,
• 1:14:11
  why would I do that? You know, it's just like I just needed
• 1:14:13
  to get here. That's just the way it happened. And the way that
• 1:14:16
  she blasted his arms, like I think three out of the four arms that
• 1:14:21
  he had just like completely gone after this, and I'm just like, why
• 1:14:27
  would you do that? And I do like the moment, like after all
• 1:14:30
  of that, they're like, yeah, you know, he didn't check for
• 1:14:34
  a tracker on entry, but no one ever checks for a tracker afterward,
• 1:14:41
  and they put the tracker there. I think that was like the icing on
• 1:14:44
  the cake. I was like, that's I love that, and I really
• 1:14:47
  thought it solidified and Dera and Bell's relationship at that moment, Ryan, what
• 1:14:54
  were you going to say? I was just kind of agree with him.
• 1:14:57
  It was just kind of a really funny moment, and I, yeah,
• 1:15:00
  I don't really feel like it was too much of essential. Just I was
• 1:15:03
  like you, I was totally convinced by that scene for a brief moment where
• 1:15:06
  Lzar went off, I was just like, well, there goes that test
• 1:15:10
  theory. And so I guess if I was that slightly off character, i'd
• 1:15:15
  probably feel the same way. I mean, like I wouldn't worry about it.
• 1:15:17
  There's no way they thought about that before that guy went off. So
• 1:15:23
  well, and we all are listening, I know, I'm sorry, I'm
• 1:15:27
  skipping over a lot of stuff, Like we haven't covered any really of the
• 1:15:30
  night hill talk or anything. But we only have so much time in the
• 1:15:32
  day, so highly recommend you to read the book for yourself. Yeah.
• 1:15:36
  I'm kind of glad because I will just say this. Every part with Pan,
• 1:15:42
  where like they made it a point to kind of be like, hey,
• 1:15:44
  this is what Pan is doing right now, it kind of dragged for
• 1:15:46
  me. I he was kind of getting annoying, and I was just like,
• 1:15:50
  Okay, move on, move on, move on. I want to
• 1:15:53
  learn about something else that's going on, especially in the middle of like the
• 1:15:57
  chaos and everything. I was like, I don't care. I don't care,
• 1:15:59
  move on, move on. But yeah, like that, I will
• 1:16:03
  say if you want to know more, and I feel like we are going
• 1:16:06
  at a pretty good pace of like, just like the overall it leaves a
• 1:16:11
  lot for the listeners to still go and read it for themselves. So you're
• 1:16:15
  doing great, Kate. Thanks, I appreciate that, so I do.
• 1:16:18
  I will say the one thing I like about about the chapters we get from
• 1:16:24
  Pan's perspective is the very end where they just go off into another trap and
• 1:16:29
  we just lose another tempest runner in like a storm by the Republic in this
• 1:16:38
  case where like Stell they figure out they're listening in, and Stellen uses that
• 1:16:43
  to his advantage to kind of say, Okay, we're going to go to
• 1:16:45
  the Cycler shipyards or we're going to go to heats All Prime to defend the
• 1:16:49
  Jedi's pride. But instead they end up at the Cycler shipyards and Pan ends
• 1:16:55
  up there and it's like, oh shit, like I am outnumbered, and
• 1:16:59
  Lorna d kind of left him on the wayside. The poison thing was pretty
• 1:17:01
  cool too, like I liked that. I was like, oh, Lorna
• 1:17:04
  D, you saved him, and then turns out she didn't, like he
• 1:17:08
  just died of miserable death in an escape pod. So anyways, so back
• 1:17:17
  to kind of the nie Hill home base. So we get Loaden Great Storm
• 1:17:25
  back, and he had a chapter earlier on where he was kind of communicating
• 1:17:29
  with who we find out in this case was Mari Santeka, who is the
• 1:17:34
  old lady who's on board Marcian Rose ship, uh, providing him the pass
• 1:17:40
  that the night he'll use for their hyperspace journeys, and so kind of loading
• 1:17:46
  it looks like Loaden was going to be a leveler tests dummy in his cell
• 1:17:54
  and then manages to escape in that sense, which that that that's thread and
• 1:17:59
  trip of that, I guess because this part the one thing I do wish
• 1:18:04
  is that and Travis and Taylor from Geek first kind of hit on this,
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  but this whole last part, looking back at it, it does kind of
• 1:18:13
  feel a little like, Okay, let's get to the end. And I'm
• 1:18:15
  like, I could have just used like ten more pacing to kind of say,
• 1:18:23
  Okay, we're good here, because don't get me wrong, like it's
• 1:18:28
  still written pretty good, and like once you get past okay, this is
• 1:18:30
  the pacing, it is what it is, like it's good. And so
• 1:18:38
  Lodan kind of escapes and gets his lightsaber back from Row and he kind of
• 1:18:43
  manages to have that face off with Roe, and he like his leaku I
• 1:18:51
  have been taken off by Roe as like kind of a punishment during his year
• 1:18:56
  long prison on the ship. Uh. And so he's like in the Light
• 1:19:02
  of the Jedi, he used this bulky twilight like beast of a Jedi like
• 1:19:08
  on top of his game, and like in this like he's told to be
• 1:19:11
  a emaciated, emanciated like just kind of just like pulled to his last string
• 1:19:19
  of living and in this case, like I really do think like his final
• 1:19:27
  test of the leveler before he unleashed it on the rest of the Jedi was
• 1:19:30
  going to be on loading to kind of see what it does. And in
• 1:19:34
  the end he gets his tenst of Louden. I'm sorry, I had like
• 1:19:42
  we just can't cross that bridge already because I'm like, this is scene,
• 1:19:45
  like, so you get all the Jedi coming in and Lzar confirms Indira because
• 1:19:50
  Indira and Bell's report because Indira is not necessarily trusted by Stone, which I'm
• 1:19:58
  interesting. I hope that's explored later on. And I like that Bell got
• 1:20:03
  Stell and Gios's Master's lightsaber, Like I felt like that was a cool touch.
• 1:20:08
  That was a really nice touch. I did appreciate that a lot.
• 1:20:14
  But in this, in this moment that you're talking about, you know,
• 1:20:16
  when Loden is finally escaping, like he's getting the encouragement, and like the
• 1:20:27
  entire time, I got through work so quickly because I knew I was gonna
• 1:20:33
  I was going to finish early as far as like the book, I knew
• 1:20:36
  I was going to finish before my shift ended, and so I hid in
• 1:20:41
  like a small little corner at work and just started listening when you when he
• 1:20:48
  finally like gets confronted with Marcian Rowe, and then you get the narration of
• 1:20:55
  like, oh, if if Great Storm was at his prime, he would
• 1:21:00
  have no problem with marchianro And at that moment, I was like, what
• 1:21:05
  are you gonna do? Don't tell, don't give me that specific detail unless
• 1:21:11
  something's gonna happen, and I don't want it to happen. Don't do it.
• 1:21:15
  And then Marchion ro tries to like poison him, and he like he
• 1:21:20
  is able to dodge, but again it goes into intricate detail about oh,
• 1:21:26
  but he's not on his A game. He isn't as strong as he is
• 1:21:30
  because, like you said, he is, he is withered. He is
• 1:21:33
  probably pounds lighter than he was, you know when he was first captured and
• 1:21:39
  he falls, and I'm just like, what's gonna happen? Like why did
• 1:21:45
  you let him escape if he's not gonna reunite with Belle in this case?
• 1:21:50
  And this is what my brain was going through the entire time. I was
• 1:21:53
  like, no, don't do this, don't do this. But I didn't.
• 1:21:57
  I didn't catch this until Travis and Taylor brought it up in their review,
• 1:22:03
  saying that this was a very ironic situation because of Bell's situation in light
• 1:22:13
  of the Jedi. You know this whole thing about falling, and he needs
• 1:22:17
  to be confident enough to be able to catch himself with the force. And
• 1:22:23
  there's this moment and I'm getting goosebumps already just thinking about it. There's this
• 1:22:27
  moment where Bell sees him and he starts to slow him down, but then
• 1:22:31
  there's also blaster fire coming around, and without missing a beat, He's able
• 1:22:35
  to like block and deflect every single thing. And I was like, yes,
• 1:22:41
  Like I was cheering, and I was just like, let's do this,
• 1:22:44
  Let's do this, let's do this. And then they reunite and I'm
• 1:22:48
  just like, this is the greatest ending of the entire freaking series so far.
• 1:22:55
  I love this book. This is amazing, And Kevin, I hate
• 1:22:59
  you so much much for what happens next. I didn't even process the ending
• 1:23:06
  at the like, when I got there, I was like, okay,
• 1:23:10
  so they got like the leveler is working on them, Like I got that
• 1:23:15
  far, and then Stelling comes up and it's like or no, the Marshal
• 1:23:19
  arn Row like takes off in a ship, and I'm like, okay,
• 1:23:21
  so we're good, Like we're gonna everybody's gonna be okay, Like we're a
• 1:23:25
  little beat up, We're all gonna be fine. And Stellin and El's are
• 1:23:29
  I think a deer was down there and they're all like, what the heck
• 1:23:32
  just happened? And els Are and and Dea were kind of up there and
• 1:23:36
  they're like shocked and they're like look and then you just like you get the
• 1:23:43
  you get the description of the stone, and it's like, no, are
• 1:23:49
  you kidding me? Yeah? That was my reaction. Yeah, right,
• 1:24:00
  what about you? How did you react? I had? I like dropped
• 1:24:03
  the book when I read the like just the crumbling thinking of like you know,
• 1:24:10
  people getting snapped out of existence and like you know, infinny war and
• 1:24:13
  stuff like that. I was just like it, like excuse me. And
• 1:24:16
  I think I swore a couple of times. My wife was like are you
• 1:24:19
  okay? Because she heard me from another room just like reading. She's like,
• 1:24:23
  what's wrong? And I'm like it's this book is what's wrong? Like
• 1:24:26
  they just did this terrible thing. She's like okay, so you're fine.
• 1:24:30
  She went like went back to sleep, and I need to talk to something
• 1:24:33
  else about this. That that's what That's what my husband did too, just
• 1:24:40
  in the in this moment of like you like again, because from Afar,
• 1:24:46
  I believe it was Man that he got like a quick glimpse of another force
• 1:24:55
  vision. And then I believe it was Geos that saw Marchian Roe from Afar
• 1:25:02
  and saw a creature of some kind, but there was no description. And
• 1:25:10
  then the next thing, you know, Geos is running to the to the
• 1:25:15
  others, and you see this description of Bell in the fetal position, crying
• 1:25:23
  his eyes out, and I'm like, why would he be doing this?
• 1:25:28
  Great Storm is right there, he's fine, everybody's fine. And then you
• 1:25:33
  get the again, this whole entire thing of like what is it called a
• 1:25:42
  petrification or whatever, of him being turned into stone, and then like the
• 1:25:47
  fact that his face crumbles, like it's not like, oh he's petrified but
• 1:25:54
  he can turn back. No, he's petrified, and then his head caves
• 1:25:58
  in, and I'm just like, why why would you do this to me?
• 1:26:03
  Like it was a personal attack At that point, the one thing,
• 1:26:10
  the one thing from Light of the Jedi. At the very end, I
• 1:26:15
  was like, Loden, you can do this, You're you're a great Jedi.
• 1:26:20
  Bell's gonna save you. And then we get this far and I'm like,
• 1:26:26
  it's there, like our happy ending is here. It's great. We
• 1:26:30
  can like you both, like he is like almost officially a Jedi Knight and
• 1:26:36
  basically in mind, and you guys can fight together. It's gonna be amazing.
• 1:26:43
  No, No, it was heartbreaking, heartbreaking. I think Kristen Baber
• 1:26:50
  put it best on her episode of This Week in Star Wars last week where
• 1:26:56
  she put up the cover of the Rising Storm and then I don't know what
• 1:27:00
  else she said about it because I didn't watch it, but I just saw
• 1:27:02
  this going around on Twitter as like Kevin knows what he did, and damn
• 1:27:06
  right, he knows what he did. I think even responded that he's just
• 1:27:11
  like, yes, it's just like gleeful in his mastery of our error.
• 1:27:16
  I just have to give him a lot of props right now because he's writing.
• 1:27:20
  He wrote this book, he's writing the High Republic Marvel comic, he's
• 1:27:26
  writing The Monster, a graphic novel for uh Tyoris, and then he's writing
• 1:27:34
  Tempest Runner, the audio drama for Lorna d So he was the busy man
• 1:27:40
  in the past six months. So I have to at least give him props
• 1:27:44
  for that because we don't know what Claudia Gray is doing next. I just
• 1:27:48
  have to put that in there again, what Claudia Gray's writing right now?
• 1:27:53
  I just it's killing me inside well, just knowing that like he has like
• 1:28:00
  this really wants me to pick up Doku Jedi Lost because he can't recommended it
• 1:28:06
  enough. Like I, I quickly after finishing this book, I quickly looked
• 1:28:13
  up his credits and I was just like, Okay, what else has he
• 1:28:15
  done? Because I need more of this. As much as it hurt me,
• 1:28:18
  I need more of this. He has also done, uh, the
• 1:28:25
  the Star Wars Vaders Castle comic book, which I have heard very very good
• 1:28:30
  things about. And he has done also the Han and Chewy comics as well
• 1:28:38
  as Oh that a lot. Doctor Who. Yes, he also did Doctor
• 1:28:44
  Who. But he also did the j The Great Jedi Rescue, which is
• 1:28:47
  the one book that I did not pick up. It's like the it's the
• 1:28:53
  kid's book. Yeah, so great range, very good range. So is
• 1:29:02
  there anything kind of we didn't discuss that y'all want to hit I don't think
• 1:29:14
  so, just you know, it's funny. We didn't really talk about it,
• 1:29:20
  and neither did Travis and Taylor, but like Bell went through a crap
• 1:29:26
  ton in this book. Mm hmm, so the point of almost dying.
• 1:29:30
  So listeners, I'm not going to spoil how but go read this book.
• 1:29:33
  Cannot recommend it enough by it. Buy multiple copies to give to your friends,
• 1:29:42
  Do whatever you can. This is such a great book. That's all
• 1:29:45
  I have to say. And one thing I did forget to mention is that
• 1:29:48
  today the book did debut on New York Times Bestseller List at number nine on
• 1:29:55
  the hardcover adult list, so very very good. Congratulations to Kevin dj Older's
• 1:30:02
  middle grade book, Race to Crash Point Tower did also debut at number four
• 1:30:08
  on the middle grade spectrum, so perhaps props again to the higher republic guys.
• 1:30:13
  I know that was a big thing for uh Wave one, so glad
• 1:30:17
  to see Wave to continue and know that it's just happening. So y'all,
• 1:30:26
  we've been going for an hour and a half and I think we covered a
• 1:30:30
  wide range of things from this book. Like we didn't cover all of it,
• 1:30:34
  I can tell you right now we didn't, but we definitely covered a
• 1:30:39
  lots and if there's something that you read this book and you want us to
• 1:30:46
  dive in on it later on into a different Star Wars alliance. Clay will
• 1:30:51
  be coming back to join me for more High Republic unless we can convince Nathan
• 1:30:57
  to come back and read it. But granted, Clay is always well come
• 1:31:00
  back. So there you have it, So Clay and I will definitely tackle
• 1:31:03
  it on a future one. If you read it and you're like what the
• 1:31:06
  fuck, Like I need to talk about this, come come back, like,
• 1:31:10
  come share it. I did have one comment from a listener, Jacob
• 1:31:15
  who's Blue Underscore leader RS on Twitter. He saw my tweets about Rising Storm
• 1:31:23
  and just wanted to say it was so good but the ending and then with
• 1:31:29
  like the sad face, so like he loved the book and was just as
• 1:31:32
  shocked as the rest of us on the ending, Like I really, I
• 1:31:35
  really just wanted Bell and Loaded to have a happy ending, like Clay said,
• 1:31:40
  like it just it's so sad. So we don't know what's coming next.
• 1:31:46
  In terms of adult books for the Higher Republic, however, the next
• 1:31:50
  book that is dropping is Out of the Shadows by Justina Ireland. It does
• 1:31:55
  feature the character she developed in her middle grade book that released in Way one,
• 1:32:00
  Vernestra Rowe as well as I think Rees Silas is back in it.
• 1:32:05
  I think yes, Reith is back in it. He's on the cover as
• 1:32:10
  well as a new character, so it'll be interesting to kind of see those
• 1:32:14
  characters interact. That book is coming. I think it's July twenty seventh,
• 1:32:18
  Yes, twenty seventh, so about two weeks from now, so we'll be
• 1:32:24
  back then to talk about it. What is next for Star Wars Lins Stars
• 1:32:30
  Lins will be what don't miss it? Oh yeah, Ryan has already ready.
• 1:32:38
  That's that's all I'm gonna say, So go get it. What I'm
• 1:32:44
  joss. Ryan produces reviews consistently, and Clay. Once we get this going
• 1:32:48
  with consistency, maybe we can get Disney and del Ray to give us books.
• 1:32:54
  I need. I need to. I need to possibly get my connections
• 1:32:57
  at Marvel to get into Lucas and be like, give me more for sure.
• 1:33:05
  No, we are grateful for all week get and I love getting to
• 1:33:09
  review these Star Wars books. They've always been a blessing to me, like
• 1:33:13
  throughout my life, so I always love getting to talk about them. Star
• 1:33:16
  Wars Alliance will be back Sunday to talk about Star Wars News and the Bad
• 1:33:21
  Batch episodes ten and eleven, so make sure you're here ten am Eastern to
• 1:33:26
  check you south. Then the next episode of Star Wars Alliance, we will
• 1:33:30
  be covering Darth Bayne Path of Destruction, which is a Legends book. But
• 1:33:33
  Nathan's been reading that. I know Clay has been working and reading that too,
• 1:33:38
  so I see his face. Oh he just finished. I have two
• 1:33:44
  more books to finish before I get in the Path of Destruction, so I
• 1:33:45
  have to get reading. But I have read that one before, so it
• 1:33:48
  should be fine. So that's what's next upcoming for Star Wars Liance. Very
• 1:33:54
  excited, Ryan tell us where they can find you on Twitter and plug whatever
• 1:34:00
  you want to at this point. Sure you can find myself the website on
• 1:34:05
  Twitter and Instagram at minock manor it's just all one word, of course.
• 1:34:10
  Just visit the website minuck Manner dot com. You can check out our latest
• 1:34:15
  reviews of all the comics, all the books, and one of our risis
• 1:34:19
  Chrisy's doing a legendary adventure series Who's going through all the Legends books like you
• 1:34:24
  guys are kind of covering Darth Bane, He's covered that before. It's just
• 1:34:27
  kind of going through that whole journey. It's kind of need to have both
• 1:34:30
  the current and some of the older stuff covered. Yep, play tell us
• 1:34:36
  where they can find you. All right, Well, I'm not going to
• 1:34:40
  go through all of my shows because I have way too many, but I
• 1:34:43
  will tell you you can find me at fanboy Klay on Twitter. And I
• 1:34:46
  do have a link tree in my bio where you have a link to all
• 1:34:49
  of my shows, all six. Yes, and I will leave all the
• 1:34:55
  links to my knock manor I'll leave Ryan's Twitter information down below. I will
• 1:34:59
  also leave Clay stuff and I believe his link tree. There's too many shows
• 1:35:02
  to link in the description box and makes it too long, but just go
• 1:35:04
  look at his link tree. So it's very useful to have. Okay,
• 1:35:09
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• 1:35:13
  at Star Wars Lance without the A and the Wars very important. I am
• 1:35:16
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• 1:35:19
  Star Wars, if you've got a question about Star Wars, if you have
• 1:35:23
  a specific character about Star Wars you want us to talk about. I love
• 1:35:26
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• 1:35:30
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• 1:35:32
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• 1:35:35
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• 1:35:40
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• 1:35:46
  show is at Slice of Film, where we talk about a film of the
• 1:35:50
  guests choosing nine times out of ten it is a movie I haven't seen.
• 1:35:55
  This episode is premiering simultaneously with a review of Fast and Furior. It's nine
• 1:36:00
  The Fast Saga next week will also be a dual episode release with a Quiet
• 1:36:05
  Place too. So that's the upcoming shows that I have, right, I
• 1:36:12
  want to thank you so much for joining us. This was your first podcast,
• 1:36:14
  but I think you did great, so props. Good job, and
• 1:36:18
  you're more than no problem. You're more than welcome back anytime if you want
• 1:36:26
  to come talk about something like let's do it. I'm always happy to have
• 1:36:29
  people on, so Clay, thanks for joining me. I know you will
• 1:36:33
  be back soon, yep. So with that, I want to wish everyone
• 1:36:40
  a great day or night, whatever time the day you're listening or watching an
• 1:36:44
  We'll see you'll next time. May the Force be with y'all.