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The Late Debate | 17 June · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Wait wait.
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  Speaker 2: The late debase. Thanks for joining us.
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  Speaker 3: I'm James Macpherson with Caleb Bond and Jemmy Tonyini.
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  Speaker 2: Great to have your company.
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  Speaker 3: Let me ask you guys a question before we kick off.
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  Speaker 3: Did you watch Pauline Hanson's speech live?
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  Speaker 2: And where were you?
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  Speaker 4: Bits of it? I was in and out of client
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  Speaker 4: meetings today one must work bits of it. But yeah,
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  Speaker 4: in and out of client meetings.
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  Speaker 2: So at you, khleb, Yes I did.
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  Speaker 5: I was on my couch. You're about to brag that
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  Speaker 5: you were in the room, aren't.
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  Speaker 2: You just set that up beautifully? Didn't I? I was alleged.
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  Speaker 3: RSL vandals are confronted by an Anzac's grandson outside court,
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  Speaker 3: where they refuse to show their faces, and, in a
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  Speaker 3: horrible case of political correctness gone mad, social workers admit
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  Speaker 3: they've been reluctant to report abusive children for fear of
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  Speaker 3: causing offense.
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  Speaker 2: We'll get to that one shortly, but.
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  Speaker 3: First, teachers from a prominent Perth high school are calling
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  Speaker 3: for students to spend less time at school. Staff at
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  Speaker 3: Applecross Senior High School have put a proposal to the
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  Speaker 3: West Australian Teachers Union that school terms should be cut
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  Speaker 3: from ten weeks to nine. Now here's their argument. They
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  Speaker 3: say transitioning to nine week terms instead of ten, aligning
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  Speaker 3: more closely with international examples, would support better workload balance,
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  Speaker 3: reduce burnout, and promote improved educational outcomes. They say the
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  Speaker 3: one hundred and ninety days West Australian kids spend in
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  Speaker 3: school compares unfavorably to the OECD average of one hundred
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  Speaker 3: and eighty five days and the one hundred and sixty
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  Speaker 3: two days that French kids attend class. Now, it's no
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  Speaker 3: secret Australian students are not performing well. So jimo, what
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  Speaker 3: do you think of the idea that maybe the way
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  Speaker 3: to improve education outcomes is to give our kids less education.
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  Speaker 4: Well, it's a stunning and brave plan by the Teachers' Union,
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  Speaker 4: WA by the Applecross High School cohort of teachers there.
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  Speaker 4: And just for those of you who are not from
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  Speaker 4: the Wild West, you're not. Sandgroper's Applecross Senior High School
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  Speaker 4: is an exceptional school. It consistently performs amongst the top
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  Speaker 4: public and private schools in Western Australia. So we're not
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  Speaker 4: talking about a school that doesn't have an excellent academic record.
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  Speaker 4: But I find it very difficult to believe that in
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  Speaker 4: an Australian context, where our kids go to school what
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  Speaker 4: typically eight thirty to four o'clock or eight thirty to three,
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  Speaker 4: and so much time is wasted. So that's the first thing,
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  Speaker 4: and second of all that I know the solution. Let's
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  Speaker 4: take kids out of school, Let's give them more free time,
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  Speaker 4: let's destructure their lives. I just find this a really
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  Speaker 4: counterintuitive approach to declining, as you say, declining standards of education,
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  Speaker 4: declining outputs of education. We need to remember that Australian
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  Speaker 4: kids are now competing in a global environment moreover than ever,
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  Speaker 4: like they're competing in a global environment for education, for roles,
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  Speaker 4: for jobs. And you have children, Caleb and I do not,
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  Speaker 4: either together or individually. I well, I can confirm that
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  Speaker 4: I know I don't have children. A lot of my
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  Speaker 4: friend's kids went to schools where they did the curriculum
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  Speaker 4: known as the International Baccalaureate, which is aligns with international curriculum.
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  Speaker 4: So they say to the Australian curriculum, thanks, but no thanks,
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  Speaker 4: you're not really cutting the mustard. We're going to align
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  Speaker 4: our kids with a global level of education because we
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  Speaker 4: know that that's where they're going to compete. And I've
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  Speaker 4: written about this before in the Australian. My young cousin
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  Speaker 4: in Italy. First of all, the Italian kids spend two
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  Speaker 4: hundred days a year in school, so she's fourteen years old.
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  Speaker 4: She goes to school from eight in the morning until
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  Speaker 4: one in the afternoon Monday to Saturday. And there's no
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  Speaker 4: waste of time. They still do per they still do
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  Speaker 4: all of that sort of physical activity, but there's none
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  Speaker 4: of this sort of you know, gender studies in naval
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  Speaker 4: gazing and you know, let's paint the colors purple whatever.
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  Speaker 4: It's actually learning and the fun the fun part is
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  Speaker 4: hearing her talk about this process in Italian education, at
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  Speaker 4: least where it's called a verificaziones. So I can say
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  Speaker 4: to you, Caleb, today's a day. Stand up, buddy. You've
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  Speaker 4: got to be ready at any point. You can be
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  Speaker 4: examined by your teacher at any point. They are expected
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  Speaker 4: to be ready from the age of ten and upwards
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  Speaker 4: when they go to school. Compare and contrast that with
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  Speaker 4: the Australian context of education. I just don't feel like
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  Speaker 4: this is a serious proposition.
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  Speaker 5: So sorry, so you do or you don't think there
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  Speaker 5: is a merit in the idea of reducing the numbers.
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  Speaker 4: Absolutely not right, absolutely not. So I wasn't very clear
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  Speaker 4: then it wasn't, but I enjoyed myself. But you would
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  Speaker 4: like to restructure the things this is a silly idea
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  Speaker 4: and make more use of the time, Like wouldn't it
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  Speaker 4: be better? For example, you're a parent, you've had kids
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  Speaker 4: in school, wouldn't it be better if you said, Look,
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  Speaker 4: my kids go to school eight o'clock to two o'clock
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  Speaker 4: every day, but every moment counts.
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  Speaker 3: No, I don't want them finishing school at two because
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  Speaker 3: then I've got to work out he.
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  Speaker 2: Had to check them up with them.
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  Speaker 4: I took a bus.
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  Speaker 3: So I think a lot of parents would find it
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  Speaker 3: horribly inconvenient. Not that school is used for babysitting, but
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  Speaker 3: when they're released early, well, there is the practicality of
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  Speaker 3: both parents probably working.
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  Speaker 2: What do you do with the kids?
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  Speaker 3: I do agree with you, though, that's so much time
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  Speaker 3: in the school day is wasted. Then they pile them
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  Speaker 3: up with homework, and that's something I would like to ask.
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  Speaker 3: If they are arguing that kids don't need to be
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  Speaker 3: at school so much, why are they learning these same
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  Speaker 3: kids up with so much homework. If they've got so
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  Speaker 3: much spare time during the day, that's such that they're
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  Speaker 3: saying they could do with less days.
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  Speaker 2: Why are they sending so much homework?
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  Speaker 1: Well, or you could just do it, I don't do
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  Speaker 1: the homework and.
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  Speaker 5: Just just deal with that later. But they say, oh,
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  Speaker 5: we need to do it for the kids. It could
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  Speaker 5: it be that they want to do it for the teachers.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, you know, I mean exactly.
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  Speaker 5: So as it stands, you get twelve weeks off.
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  Speaker 1: Now.
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  Speaker 5: I do note that teachers do actually do work to
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  Speaker 5: some degree during the school holidays. They don't get the
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  Speaker 5: same time off that the kids do in TOTO, But
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  Speaker 5: it's twelve weeks of school holidays a year currently, So
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  Speaker 5: you want to then make the school terms nine weeks
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  Speaker 5: instead of ten, so you then have sixteen weeks.
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  Speaker 1: Out of school every year.
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  Speaker 5: I think the kids ought to be probably there more
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  Speaker 5: than they currently are. Absolutely, you could be more efficient
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  Speaker 5: with the time that is used. If they were there
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  Speaker 5: more and you were using the time properly, you could
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  Speaker 5: teach them to an even higher standard.
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  Speaker 4: Surely, what about this, What about using some of the
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  Speaker 4: time to actually give in to their local community if
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  Speaker 4: they have to be at school. If we agree, If
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  Speaker 4: we agree, gentlemen, that's a lot of the time spent
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  Speaker 4: in classes is wasted time, not particularly efficient time, not
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  Speaker 4: particularly productive time. Imagine if high school students had a
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  Speaker 4: portion of their week where they were actually going and
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  Speaker 4: volunteering for example.
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  Speaker 1: Oh sure, I have no issue with that.
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  Speaker 5: But you know, the problem is they get a pupil
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  Speaker 5: free day for this, and they get a pupil free
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  Speaker 5: day for that. Now, as you say, there are many days,
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  Speaker 5: it would seem at school that are entirely wasted. I mean,
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  Speaker 5: it's coming up to the end of term, and I
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  Speaker 5: hear stories of parents who have kids at primary school
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  Speaker 5: and sort of the last week of the term isn't
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  Speaker 5: a real week anyway, right the point? So, so okay,
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  Speaker 5: so we can say that's all happening. So there's your
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  Speaker 5: basis for saying we're going to get rid of that
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  Speaker 5: last week of the term. But then do we believe
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  Speaker 5: that the new last week of the term is not
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  Speaker 5: going to turn into what the old last week of
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  Speaker 5: the term was. I don't think this would do anything
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  Speaker 5: at all to fix any problem within schools. It might
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  Speaker 5: be more convenient for teachers because it means they have
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  Speaker 5: to rock up.
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  Speaker 1: To the classroom less.
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  Speaker 5: But I don't think there's any value for children in
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  Speaker 5: it whatsoever.
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  Speaker 3: When they say this would help workload balance, reduce burnout teachers,
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  Speaker 3: and promote improved educational outcomes, something there for the kids.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you're right.
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  Speaker 3: This sounds like it's something that would benefit teachers. And
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  Speaker 3: like you said, no knock on teachers. They work hard,
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  Speaker 3: but do they really need more holidays.
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  Speaker 4: It sounds like Sally McManus saying we want to go
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  Speaker 4: to a permanent for it for a day. Well it's
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  Speaker 4: exactly that.
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  Speaker 5: But who wouldn't if someone said you could do it,
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  Speaker 5: who wouldn't sign up.
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  Speaker 1: To the idea.
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  Speaker 4: We wouldn't.
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  Speaker 1: Well, because you run your own business, you've got no choice.
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  Speaker 5: But if you work with someone else, as a young man,
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  Speaker 5: if you work and said.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I mean yeah, you could just pack up, not
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  Speaker 1: do you?
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  Speaker 4: No? No, I actually like my job, which good twist.
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  Speaker 4: I actually love what I do and the people I
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  Speaker 4: do it with, and I realize I'm very lucky. But
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  Speaker 4: this idea that everyone is scratching around looking for a
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  Speaker 4: side door out is I think perhaps not true.
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  Speaker 5: Oh look if Sky paid me the same amount of
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  Speaker 5: money to do four nights on air instead of five.
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  Speaker 1: I'd probably take it.
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  Speaker 5: To be quite fair, because you know, it is nice
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  Speaker 5: to have some time to yourself from time to time,
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  Speaker 5: and those jumps races don't watch themselves. While we're talking
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  Speaker 5: about and Royal asked, of course, I'm staying up all
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  Speaker 5: and I'm watching that. And while we're talking about school.
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  Speaker 5: Something that I know has really annoyed my mate to
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  Speaker 5: my right, James McPherson, is the fact that whenever someone
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  Speaker 5: comes up in court and they happen to have been
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  Speaker 5: to a private school or are attending a private school,
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  Speaker 5: the story likes to note that this individual is from
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  Speaker 5: a private school.
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  Speaker 1: And this really raised James's.
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  Speaker 5: Eye when he was reading a yarn the other day
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  Speaker 5: out of Queensland, and the lead of this yarn says,
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  Speaker 5: this is from the careier mail says.
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  Speaker 1: A private schoolboy accused.
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  Speaker 5: Of planning a terrorist attack against the LNP allegedly tested
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  Speaker 5: homemade bombs at his suburban home and told friends on
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  Speaker 5: TikTok that the unibomber quote unquote was right.
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  Speaker 1: Now.
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  Speaker 5: James is aggrieved because he believes that this is you
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  Speaker 5: know why would they point out the fact that he
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  Speaker 5: is a private school student. You wouldn't do it if
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  Speaker 5: he was a public school student, Is there?
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  Speaker 1: I got your argument correct.
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  Speaker 3: Well, they don't just point out that he's a private
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  Speaker 3: school student. They lead with that, a private school student.
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  Speaker 3: That's the beginning of the article. Of what relevance is
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  Speaker 3: the fact that he goes to a private school. They
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  Speaker 3: don't say a public school boy, et cetera, et cetera,
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  Speaker 3: et cetera. It's only when a private school kid gets
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  Speaker 3: into trouble. The media always lead with that, which makes
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  Speaker 3: me wonder is there an agenda in the media against
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  Speaker 3: private schools?
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  Speaker 1: And the answer is, well, I'll make you two points
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  Speaker 1: go on.
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  Speaker 5: No, there's not an agenda against private schools, or actually
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  Speaker 5: three p It's one is that it was someone at
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  Speaker 5: his school who first reported him to police, So the
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  Speaker 5: school is relevant to the story. Of course, being a juvenile.
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  Speaker 5: They can't name the school because that might identify him.
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  Speaker 5: So the closest they can get to it is to
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  Speaker 5: say that he is a private school student. Number two,
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  Speaker 5: When you think of a private school student, it does
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  Speaker 5: conjure up an idea.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, now we're getting to the point it.
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  Speaker 1: Does conjure up an idea in your head.
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  Speaker 5: And so, yes, there is a sensational element saying it's
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  Speaker 5: a private school.
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  Speaker 2: So what's the idea that it conjures up in your head?
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  Speaker 2: When you say private school.
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  Speaker 5: You think of someone who is having a good education
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  Speaker 5: and should have come from a good family and would
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  Speaker 5: be well behaved and all these sorts of things.
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  Speaker 3: Wealthy, power, elite, those sorts of things.
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  Speaker 5: Well, not necessarily elite. There are private schools that are
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  Speaker 5: not elite. But you know, you tend to think if
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  Speaker 5: the parents are ponying up thousands of dollars a year
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  Speaker 5: at the very least, that you know they've come from
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  Speaker 5: a good family and they expect more of them and whatever.
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  Speaker 5: I think that is true. And yes, there is that
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  Speaker 5: sensational element to it.
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  Speaker 1: To the same thing.
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  Speaker 5: You know, if it was you who had committed an offense,
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  Speaker 5: they'd be very quick to point out that you live
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  Speaker 5: on the Lower north Shore, James, because you know, people
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  Speaker 5: have an idea of people who live on the Lower
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  Speaker 5: north Shore. The third point is, and it's just a
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  Speaker 5: practical thing. If it says private school, people will click
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  Speaker 5: on it. And you know why, because private school communities
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  Speaker 5: are quite big, and the old boys like to stay
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  Speaker 5: in touch with their.
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  Speaker 1: Schools and the old girls for that matter.
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  Speaker 5: And so people want to click on it and find
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  Speaker 5: out if this person went to their school.
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  Speaker 1: It's as simple as that.
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  Speaker 5: Just I don't think it's an actual agenda against private schools.
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  Speaker 5: I think it's just enticing people to read the story.
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  Speaker 3: Let me come back to agenda in a moment, jump
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  Speaker 3: in here at any time.
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  Speaker 4: Enjoying this little like over here.
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  Speaker 3: I'm curious, as a former newspaper chief of staff that
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  Speaker 3: third point you raised that media know that if you
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  Speaker 3: begin a an article a private school boy. Is that
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  Speaker 3: just you spitballing, or do you know that for a
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  Speaker 3: fact that will generate higher readership.
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  Speaker 1: I can.
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  Speaker 5: I'll absolutely tell you stories about private schools rate their
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  Speaker 5: socks off, right.
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  Speaker 4: I was once a TV newsroom chief of staff and
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  Speaker 4: can't speak to the cliques, but I can say that
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  Speaker 4: when you are covering a story, it's context, it's anything.
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  Speaker 4: To your point about identification, that's absolutely true. So when
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  Speaker 4: you're limited with the broader information that you can talk
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  Speaker 4: about a court case, you have what you have to
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  Speaker 4: set the scene to sort of. You know, as you said,
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  Speaker 4: if a parent's paying x amount of dollars a year
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  Speaker 4: to send their child to a private school. But I
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  Speaker 4: will point out I went to a private school. I
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  Speaker 4: went to a bog standard, middle of the road coed
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  Speaker 4: Catholic school, still private. My parents still had to pay
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  Speaker 4: to send me there. There's private schools and there's private
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  Speaker 4: schools like even where I went to school in Perth.
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  Speaker 4: Hello to all the Newman College alumni watching sky News tonight.
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  Speaker 4: I'm sure there are thousands of you. It was a
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  Speaker 4: different Catholic school to another one up the road that
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  Speaker 4: was we were considered the povo Catholic school and they
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  Speaker 4: were considered the fancy Catholic school. So there's you know,
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  Speaker 4: ecologies within that sort of cohort of schooling system. But
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  Speaker 4: I think I don't think there's an agenda.
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  Speaker 3: Personally, it feels to me like there's this expectation that
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  Speaker 3: if it's a private school board, he must come from
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  Speaker 3: a wealthy family, when we know that a substantial proportion
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  Speaker 3: of private school kids come from middle of the road
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  Speaker 3: to even slightly poor a families who sacrifice greatly the
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  Speaker 3: kids into a private school.
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  Speaker 4: I know plenty of people here and back in the
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  Speaker 4: West they make a considered decision to either take out
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  Speaker 4: substantial loans to send their children to very expensive school schools,
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  Speaker 4: or they make significant personal sacrifices across And that's more
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  Speaker 4: power to them if that's where they place the value
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  Speaker 4: on their child's education. In this idea that they might
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  Speaker 4: build a network and give them a leg up in life.
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  Speaker 4: I have no issue with that. You know, live your life,
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  Speaker 4: it's your family, You do what you want.
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  Speaker 3: But the second point that I wonder about is the implication,
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  Speaker 3: and you raise this calib that if you're a private
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  Speaker 3: school boy, you must be somehow better behaved.
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  Speaker 2: And I think we expect.
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  Speaker 3: Better discipline in school when it's a private school. But
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  Speaker 3: that's not to say that these aren't normal kids who
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  Speaker 3: get into all kinds of mischief outside of school. Ours
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  Speaker 3: the same as any kid does. I just think there's
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  Speaker 3: this propensity in the media to as soon as a
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  Speaker 3: private school kid gets into trouble, let's slap them down
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  Speaker 3: and have a go at private schools. Maybe I might
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  Speaker 3: over I think let's see it a lot in the media.
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  Speaker 4: I see what you see. But there's a country thing
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  Speaker 4: I think is because in many ways these schools hold
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  Speaker 4: themselves up to be. We produce great young men. We
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  Speaker 4: produce they that's their marketing stick to parents. Send your
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  Speaker 4: kid to me, give me you fifty grand a year
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  Speaker 4: and I'll churn you out. A stand up young blake,
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  Speaker 4: he's going to go work from a quarry bank maker motza,
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  Speaker 4: marry his missus or his you know.
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  Speaker 1: What I mean like that, but I hope he'd marry
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  Speaker 1: his missus.
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  Speaker 4: Well, he might marry his mister.
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  Speaker 1: It six in Australia, do anything you want. Point, So
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  Speaker 1: he doesn't marry someone else's miss.
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  Speaker 4: Correct, correct, But my point is they market on that,
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  Speaker 4: so it is like it. It's like the bank saying
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  Speaker 4: you can trust us with your money and then getting
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  Speaker 4: done for. You know what a myriad of things that
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  Speaker 4: banks get done for. They trade on it so they're
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  Speaker 4: held accountable for it.
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  Speaker 2: Yep, fair core. So what did you think of Pauline
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  Speaker 2: hands today? Were you impressed?
• 15:20
  Speaker 4: Do you know what? Watching Pauline Hanson today, I had
• 15:22
  Speaker 4: a miroad thoughts. I've liked that word. Tonight I watched
• 15:24
  Speaker 4: this woman that first burst onto our political scene thirty
• 15:27
  Speaker 4: years ago, and she bears very little resemblance in some
• 15:30
  Speaker 4: ways to the Pauline Hanson of nineteen ninety six. In
• 15:33
  Speaker 4: some ways, not a lot has changed. But what I
• 15:36
  Speaker 4: did see today was an example of a couple of things.
• 15:39
  Speaker 4: I've long had the opinion in the Australian political landscape
• 15:42
  Speaker 4: and corporate landscape that there's the right kind of woman
• 15:44
  Speaker 4: and the wrong kind of woman. And the right kind
• 15:46
  Speaker 4: of woman is typically protected by the media and the
• 15:49
  Speaker 4: political left, and you can't say a word about her,
• 15:51
  Speaker 4: and she's off anything. Anything that happens to her, you know,
• 15:54
  Speaker 4: she's defended. And then there are people like Pauline Hanson
• 15:57
  Speaker 4: like her, or lump her, or disagree with her polities
• 16:00
  Speaker 4: or whatever. What happened to her today was really outrageous.
• 16:03
  Speaker 4: It wouldn't be tolerated if it had happened to Satania
• 16:06
  Speaker 4: Plibosek or any other politician, and nor should it be,
• 16:09
  Speaker 4: is my point. But I thought she handled it with
• 16:11
  Speaker 4: great resilience. I thought she handled it with the height
• 16:14
  Speaker 4: of a rhino, to use that expression. And what we
• 16:17
  Speaker 4: saw today was the beginning of I suspect, the beginning
• 16:21
  Speaker 4: of what policies that are going to need to take
• 16:24
  Speaker 4: more shape, and she certainly didn't hold back. There was
• 16:28
  Speaker 4: a straight out of the gates on all of the
• 16:30
  Speaker 4: big ticket items. Immigration trans rites all of that kind
• 16:34
  Speaker 4: of stuff. Let's start by having a look at what
• 16:37
  Speaker 4: she said about immigration, because that has dominated the headlines
• 16:41
  Speaker 4: from today's press club event, and it was obviously her
• 16:45
  Speaker 4: first press club event, and as I said, she didn't
• 16:47
  Speaker 4: hold back. So let's have a look at this.
• 16:50
  Speaker 6: Undeniably, immigration or immigration policy has our country in the
• 16:57
  Speaker 6: state of crisis. At the center of this crisis is
• 17:01
  Speaker 6: the utterly flawed policy of multiculturalism. We cannot be a
• 17:08
  Speaker 6: multicultural society. We are a multi racial society, but we
• 17:15
  Speaker 6: must be mono cultural.
• 17:19
  Speaker 4: Such an interesting choice of words. I sit here as
• 17:22
  Speaker 4: a first generation Australian. It's no secret my dad, my
• 17:26
  Speaker 4: nonna and my Zia all arrived in Australia in nineteen
• 17:30
  Speaker 4: fifty six on January the twenty sixth, nineteen fifty six,
• 17:34
  Speaker 4: on a ship called the Australia. I know what it's
• 17:38
  Speaker 4: like to have a migrant story. I know what it's
• 17:40
  Speaker 4: like to have a family narrative that is nothing about
• 17:44
  Speaker 4: hand out but a hand up. We had the opportunity
• 17:47
  Speaker 4: to rebuild our life in Australia after the war, and
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: I know that there are literally millions of Australians whose
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: story mirrors my own. So when I hear Pauline Hansen
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: say we can't be a multicultural society, part of me
• 17:59
  Speaker 4: bristle because I am part of that multicultural society. Millions
• 18:03
  Speaker 4: of Italy Australians, whether the Greek, Australian, Vietnamese Australian, whatever,
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: millions of us form this multicultural society. What I wonder,
• 18:13
  Speaker 4: James and Caleb is is the language correct? Did she
• 18:18
  Speaker 4: actually mean that? What does it mean when Pauline Hansen
• 18:20
  Speaker 4: says under a one nation government, let's use that term loosely,
• 18:24
  Speaker 4: what does it look like if we can't be a
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: multicultural society?
• 18:28
  Speaker 5: I think the language is correct. I think what she
• 18:30
  Speaker 5: is saying is that multiculturalism has been a failed experiment
• 18:35
  Speaker 5: because it has not been what some people might call multicultural.
• 18:41
  Speaker 5: And this is I think what she means when she
• 18:42
  Speaker 5: says monocultural, which is that you can have people come
• 18:45
  Speaker 5: from other parts of the world and they can absolutely
• 18:49
  Speaker 5: contribute positive parts of their culture to ours, but that
• 18:53
  Speaker 5: then fundamentally becomes part of one culture that we all share.
• 18:57
  Speaker 5: The problem with multiculturalism is that it has literally become
• 19:02
  Speaker 5: multiple cultures it exists in silence right, and it's more prominent,
• 19:08
  Speaker 5: I think, in Sydney than most other parts of the country.
• 19:12
  Speaker 5: I've lived in Adelaide, Sydney, in Melbourne, and it's really
• 19:15
  Speaker 5: distinct here as opposed to those two other cities. It
• 19:19
  Speaker 5: does exist to a degree in Melbourne, and to some
• 19:22
  Speaker 5: degree it's growing in Adelaide, but it's really distinct here
• 19:25
  Speaker 5: where you have, you know, parts of Sydney where people
• 19:28
  Speaker 5: of different ethnic backgrounds live, and their way of life
• 19:32
  Speaker 5: and their culture and their religions just dominate that area
• 19:37
  Speaker 5: and that's basically all you see when you go there.
• 19:39
  Speaker 5: I don't think that's good. You know, if you want
• 19:42
  Speaker 5: to have a multicultural society, it has to be everyone
• 19:47
  Speaker 5: integrated together.
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: That hasn't happened.
• 19:50
  Speaker 5: That has failed, and I think that's what Paul Enhancement
• 19:52
  Speaker 5: means when she says we have to be monocultural.
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: We all have to share the same culture.
• 19:58
  Speaker 5: Doesn't mean it can't include elements of other cultures, but
• 20:01
  Speaker 5: that fundamentally becomes one that we all share, not this
• 20:04
  Speaker 5: fragmented culture that we currently have.
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: James, when do you think that stopped? When do you
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: think that sort of the description that CAYLEBSCA, which I
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: think is completely accurate.
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: I think probably from the mid seventies it's gathered pace
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: to the point where now we do have a very
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: multicultural society in the worst sense. I sort of think
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: about it in terms of what's essential and what's incidental.
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: So you are an Australian Italian or an Italian Australian,
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: depends on the day, right, So I guess my point
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: is I don't think Paul Enhanson is suggesting that you
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: can't be Italian, you can't enjoy any of your Italian traditions.
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: I think what she's asking people is make your Australian
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: identity the essential part of who you are.
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: And incidentally, I'm.
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: From an Italian background, so it's not denying your ethnic background.
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: It's simply saying now that I'm in Australia and part
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: of Australia. Essentially I'm an Australian, and incidentally so my children,
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: ye are Australian, And incidentally they were born in Ethiopia,
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: and they enjoy certain parts of African culture, but that's
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: not essential to who they are.
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: They're Australians.
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: And I think that kind of culture and society is
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: what she's referring to, and one that would be very stable,
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: unified and harmonious.
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: Can I tell you, guys a story of beautiful story
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: about when my na arrived that day in January at
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: Fremantle passenger turnal. I said to her, Nonna, what was
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: the first thing that you said to Nonal when you
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: saw him? And bury in mind. Like many migrants after
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: the war, she hadn't seen her husband in nearly three
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: years because he came first, earned enough money and paid
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: for the rest of them to come to get me
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: started on that part of the immigration story, and she said,
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: I said to him, take me home. And I said,
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: that's not a very good start after ten weeks on
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: a ship, and she said no. I said to him,
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: Australia is now my home. Take me to where I'm
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: going to be living and raising our family. And that
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: was so profound to me. And it speaks exactly to
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: what you said. Yeah, so a part of him immigration.
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: Pauline Hanson has a pretty famously let's call it prickly
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: relationship with some members of the media, and she was
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: asked by Sarah Martin at The Guardian questions around her
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: daughter Lee, who has been in the media a little
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: bit more in this past week, and let's just say
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: it was swords at twenty paces.
• 22:22
  Speaker 7: Taxpayers are paying more than one hundred and fifty thousand
• 22:24
  Speaker 7: dollars a year for your daughter Lee Hanson to seemingly
• 22:27
  Speaker 7: campaign full time in Tasmania while employee is a political
• 22:30
  Speaker 7: advisor for a new South Wales senator. Did you have
• 22:33
  Speaker 7: any role in appointing her to that position? Honestly, you
• 22:38
  Speaker 7: never give up. I've never seen a person that's such
• 22:41
  Speaker 7: a trashy journalist, you know, and what you put out
• 22:45
  Speaker 7: all the time. You've got this obsession with constantly trying
• 22:49
  Speaker 7: to pull down myself, my party or missus Ryanhart.
• 22:51
  Speaker 6: Whatever you do, you will be banned from my answering.
• 22:55
  Speaker 6: I'll ask you this question day. But I'm telling you
• 22:57
  Speaker 6: now don't come near me for an interview and that
• 23:00
  Speaker 6: and future.
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: I mean, I have to hand it to her. She
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: sort of went like a bison into the wind at
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: that one, didn't she.
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: James, You know, I found it really interesting to go
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: on pulling Hanson's Twitter account later this afternoon.
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: Are you brave? Man?
• 23:15
  Speaker 5: Well?
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: I wanted to see what highlights from that almost hour
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: long speech. Does she consider worthy of posting on Twitter,
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: and so she cut up that speech into four parts.
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: The first part was her talking about how she doesn't
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: want Islam or radical Islam to get a foothold in Australia.
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: Clearly she thinks that will cut through with people. Of
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: the four clips that was the first two were of
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: her confronting journalists. That was one, and then there was
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: the clip of her confronting the SBS journalist. A look
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: at that, and then the final clip was her talking
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: about how she was transparent with the money raised from
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: the Fire the Lie campaign, whereas Anthony Albanezi wouldn't disclose
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: how much labor had raised from there. Please donate twenty
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: seven dollars to fight one Nation. All that to say,
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: fully half of the clips she deemed important to show
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: the public were her taking on journalists. So whatever the
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: media thought of that, Pauline Hanson's polling and advice clearly
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: is that Australians want to see the fourth Estate taken
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: on and given a tough time.
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: And I don't think they're wrong.
• 24:20
  Speaker 5: Yeah, look, I suspect it's part of the same thing,
• 24:24
  Speaker 5: isn't it. People are unhappy with the way things are
• 24:26
  Speaker 5: going they're unhappy with the status quo, and if they're
• 24:30
  Speaker 5: unhappy with the basic two party political system, it's no
• 24:34
  Speaker 5: surprise that they may be unhappy with the large parts
• 24:37
  Speaker 5: of the media that uphold that two party political system
• 24:40
  Speaker 5: as well. Just quickly before we move on, and you
• 24:42
  Speaker 5: mentioned the SBS clip. Of course, Pauline Hanson said that
• 24:46
  Speaker 5: she would abolish the SBS and a reporter from the
• 24:50
  Speaker 5: SBS was as you would expect, done to happy.
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: I'm talking about in sixty languages, to help people integrate
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: into Australia.
• 24:58
  Speaker 6: Look, I can understand your question. You're going to be
• 25:00
  Speaker 6: without a job, Tony, I can understand that.
• 25:04
  Speaker 5: And look, as long as she doesn't get rid of
• 25:06
  Speaker 5: SBS food because I quite enjoy watching SBS food. And
• 25:11
  Speaker 5: if I have to subscribe to listen to Classic FM
• 25:14
  Speaker 5: when the ABC becomes a subscription service, I suppose I'll
• 25:17
  Speaker 5: have to turn over to two MBS.
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: You just downloaded off Spotify.
• 25:21
  Speaker 5: Yes, I know, I know, but it is sometimes nice
• 25:23
  Speaker 5: to listen.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: To a radio.
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: All right, while we're on Pauline Hanson, the new iPhone
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: is due out September at least the update for Siri,
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: and there's been some investigations into what Siri is like
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: in the new version, and it's amazing what you can
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: do on Siri. But someone asked Siri to comment on
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: whether or not Pauline Hanson is a racist to have a listen.
• 25:45
  Speaker 8: Yes, Pauline Hanson has been widely characterized as racist, and
• 25:49
  Speaker 8: in twenty twenty four, the Federal Court of Australia ruled
• 25:53
  Speaker 8: that she engaged in unlawful racial discrimination. The court found
• 25:56
  Speaker 8: that a tweet she posted telling Green Senator Mary and
• 25:59
  Speaker 8: Farouki to piss off back to Pakistan was a racist
• 26:02
  Speaker 8: trope and a strong form of racism.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: Then that same person asked Siri to comment on whether
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: or not Anthony Albanesi is a liar.
• 26:13
  Speaker 8: Whether Anthony Albanesi is considered a liar is a matter
• 26:17
  Speaker 8: of political debate and public opinion rather than a simple fact.
• 26:20
  Speaker 8: As the Prime Minister of Australia and leader of the
• 26:23
  Speaker 8: Labor Party, he has faced both praise and criticism regarding
• 26:26
  Speaker 8: his honesty and the fulfillment of his political promises.
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: That is pretty evidentiary bias against Is she a racist?
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: She's very much characterized as a racist. Yes, is Elbow
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: a liar?
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: Well? That's a matter of opinion and context.
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: Also, I haven't ever had a bloke Siri. I've never
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: had a bloke siria. That's throwing me off my access.
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: I updated my phone and the voice of the woman
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: Siri was a little bit different. That was difficult enough.
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: I'm not sure I'm okay with it.
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: You can change the accent of the sie, you've got muture,
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: but the gender.
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: Cot well, you know what, did I just missgender?
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: My own I'm believes in gender, but anyway, maybe you did.
• 27:03
  Speaker 5: But I mean, seriously, this is the problem with aar
• 27:06
  Speaker 5: right and there I know I have seen people use
• 27:10
  Speaker 5: AI and they take it as gospel, like for some reason,
• 27:14
  Speaker 5: they think that because a computer told them that it
• 27:18
  Speaker 5: must be true. And this is part of the reason
• 27:20
  Speaker 5: I am so wary of AI, because it's only as
• 27:24
  Speaker 5: good as the people who are feeding it and creating it. Right,
• 27:28
  Speaker 5: And so you can design this thing to be whatever
• 27:31
  Speaker 5: you want it to be. And so if someone in
• 27:34
  Speaker 5: the back end has a bent against Pauline Hanson or
• 27:38
  Speaker 5: Nigel Farage or Donald Trump or whoever it is, they
• 27:42
  Speaker 5: can design it to do all of this stuff. And
• 27:44
  Speaker 5: then people think, oh, yes, you know this is the
• 27:46
  Speaker 5: same thing as doing a Google search and then all
• 27:49
  Speaker 5: of a sudden series telling them that Pauline Hanson's racist,
• 27:53
  Speaker 5: and then it's telling them that, you know, Cayler Bonds
• 27:55
  Speaker 5: knocked up fifteen different women or something.
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's not true. I'm telling you if.
• 28:00
  Speaker 5: If chat GPT whatever tends to it is not true.
• 28:02
  Speaker 5: But it might tell you that because who knows.
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: What's vacuuming up media coverage?
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: Right, So if the media is biased in a certain direction,
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: then AI responses will reflect that. For the record, I
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: checked chat GPT before we came on. There is Pauline
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: Hanson a racist. Chat GPT said that's a matter of opinion.
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: I asked, is Anthony Albinezi a liar? Also a matter
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: of opinion? I asked, can a woman have a penis?
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: And it said depends on the context.
• 28:28
  Speaker 5: So so chat GBT doesn't know what a woman is?
• 28:31
  Speaker 5: Clearly what context I want to I want to know
• 28:34
  Speaker 5: the context.
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: For record is the sky blue? And it said yes,
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: so it does know that for sure.
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: Maybe it was I hate the robots, they're here and
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: we're doomed.
• 28:43
  Speaker 5: Maybe it means, you know, in a play, if if
• 28:46
  Speaker 5: it's a drag or something. You know, go to the
• 28:47
  Speaker 5: pantomime at Christmas time and the main male character is
• 28:51
  Speaker 5: played by women.
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: Maybe that's what they meant.
• 28:53
  Speaker 5: Anyway down in the People's Socialist Republic of Melbourne, we've
• 28:59
  Speaker 5: talked about the case before a couple of women who
• 29:03
  Speaker 5: have been accused of vandalizing RSLs on Anzac Day. They're
• 29:08
  Speaker 5: alleged to have spray painted on the sides of Heidelberken
• 29:12
  Speaker 5: Reservoir Reservoir.
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: I should say sorry.
• 29:15
  Speaker 5: RSLs in Melbourne, kill the troops, f the ANZAC, Death
• 29:19
  Speaker 5: to ADF Gallipoli, do it again, and death to Australia. Now,
• 29:24
  Speaker 5: at their first court appearance they turned up are completely
• 29:27
  Speaker 5: covered up. They were not too keen to be seen
• 29:30
  Speaker 5: in public, and in fact someone in the courtroom turned
• 29:34
  Speaker 5: to reporters and said, why don't you go and find
• 29:37
  Speaker 5: a pothole to report on, which gave some indication of
• 29:41
  Speaker 5: how seriously these allegations were being taken. Well, you'll never guess.
• 29:46
  Speaker 5: They turned up to court again today completely covered up.
• 29:50
  Speaker 5: Most people at least have the decency to walk in
• 29:54
  Speaker 5: with their faces on display, but these two women do
• 29:57
  Speaker 5: not want to be known for the crimes that they
• 29:59
  Speaker 5: are alleged to have committed and indeed a chap came
• 30:03
  Speaker 5: all the way from Tasmania today to rock up out
• 30:07
  Speaker 5: the front of the court and deliver a message to
• 30:10
  Speaker 5: these two alleged criminals.
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: And the Diggers want to say, thanks a lot, thanks
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: very much. You are Australian. You are killing the Australian.
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: You are not Australian. You are an Australian. You are cowards.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: You are a joke. You're an absolute joke.
• 30:30
  Speaker 5: Now, of course they are innocent until proven guilty. And
• 30:33
  Speaker 5: that guy is himself a relative of a Digger. You
• 30:36
  Speaker 5: can understand the anger he feels and why he would
• 30:39
  Speaker 5: go all the way from Tasmania to go and say that.
• 30:42
  Speaker 5: Of course, at this point they've not yet been found guilty,
• 30:45
  Speaker 5: but if at some point they are, I don't think
• 30:47
  Speaker 5: he will have regretted taking that flight up to Melbourne
• 30:50
  Speaker 5: to rock up to the court room.
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: And we'll have some.
• 30:53
  Speaker 5: More details about their identity when we look at the
• 30:56
  Speaker 5: newspapers a little later. I just find it curious if
• 31:00
  Speaker 5: you didn't commit the crime and they say they have
• 31:03
  Speaker 5: not committed the crime, and they're fully intending to fight
• 31:06
  Speaker 5: the charges, wouldn't you in good conscience, be quite happy
• 31:10
  Speaker 5: to rock up to court with your face on display because.
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: You know you didn't do it. Why are you so
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: keen to hide yourself away.
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: I've got no idea as to their guilt or innocence,
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: but I presume you'd be afraid of people presuming guilt
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: and being harassed as they were just there. And I
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: have great sympathy for the gentleman who flew from Tasmania,
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: because if these allegations prove true, then every person in
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: this country should be irate at what these people have
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: done if it is proved true.
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: But that's my conclusion.
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: They just don't want to be seen because everyone would
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: presume they're guilty, and they would be afraid of what
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: someone might say or do out of anger at what
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: they're alleged to have done.
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: I mean, it's one of those things. It's the premise
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: of our justice system, isn't it innocent until proven guilt?
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: But then some things, something sticks. So moving on to
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: this story from the UK, this is this is a terrible,
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: terrible indictment of where we are as a society broadly,
• 32:13
  Speaker 4: and this particular case, I think it's a worse it's
• 32:16
  Speaker 4: a worst nightmare for a certainly for any parent, but
• 32:18
  Speaker 4: for just the sort of shared humanity around this sort
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: of thing. It involves a little boy called Preston Davy,
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: and Preston Davy was murdered by a same sex couple
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: that he had been been cared for. Jamie Varley and
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: John McGowan, for Zakally, were convicted. I hope I've pronounced
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: that correctly. For Zacally, we're both convicted over his death
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: this past Monday. And the allegation here or the claims
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: here from social workers are saying that the concerns over
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: this little baby's welfare weren't raised because social workers were afraid.
• 32:59
  Speaker 4: There's a quote here from one of the social workers
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: who spoke to the media and they said, sadly, there
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: is a fear of being called racist, homophobic or prejudice
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: that hangs over social workers. Their worst nightmare is a
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: complaint being made about them and not being backed by management.
• 33:14
  Speaker 4: So this inevitably means that they may have minor concerns
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: which are not acted upon unless there is absolutely concrete
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: evidence something is wrong. No one wants to make a report,
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: receive a complaint and then get hung out to dry.
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: Now this to me, I don't understand. I don't understand
• 33:31
  Speaker 4: how we've arrived at this place. When any human with
• 33:35
  Speaker 4: a heartbeat looks at a child, a child is vulnerable
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: by definition. We are charged with protecting them, and they
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: are so scared about the consequences of saying, look something
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: not like something going off here. There's either a radar
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: in my gut going off or I have seen bruises
• 33:53
  Speaker 4: that I can't explain. And it seems to me by
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: reading about this story, everyone was standing around seeing it
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: in slow motion, but too afraid to say anything.
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: This gay couple adopted this child at age nine months,
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: and in the four months before the child was murdered,
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: the child was taken to hospital three times. On all occasions,
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: hospital staff saw bruises but said nothing because they're afraid
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: of being accused of homophobia.
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: This kid died at the.
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: Hands of these men who've been convicted of all sorts
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: of charges, from murder to sexual penetration of a child,
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: and on and on the list goes. And the tragedy,
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: as you said, Jem, is that numerous points along the way,
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: social workers knew there was something not quite right, but
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: because they're under instruction to help equity and to help
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: people who wouldn't normally have children, such as gay couples,
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: to become parents and so forth. They were afraid to
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: say anything, and as a result, you've got a child
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: now who's dead. It's an absolute tragedy and a real
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: lesson as to why we need to treat every case
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: on its merits rather than to look at people as
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: members of groups who need to be treated differently.
• 35:05
  Speaker 4: Truly, put the child fair.
• 35:07
  Speaker 5: There's something really sick in the UK at the moment,
• 35:09
  Speaker 5: because of course it comes on the back of the
• 35:10
  Speaker 5: Henry Novak case, right, which is another example of the
• 35:14
  Speaker 5: police took the word of the accuser that he had
• 35:16
  Speaker 5: been racially abused rather than actually that's the attacker and
• 35:21
  Speaker 5: this guy is dying in front of me. He says
• 35:23
  Speaker 5: I can't breathe of being stabbed, and the copper says, oh, well,
• 35:27
  Speaker 5: I don't think you have mate. I mean, this is
• 35:29
  Speaker 5: the logical conclusion of DEI. When it is enforced upon people,
• 35:34
  Speaker 5: it is killing.
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: All right, We're going to go to a break.
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: When we come back, look at what's making headlines tomorrow,
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: including because of the government's changes to capital gains tax,
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: people are getting things valued, everything from watchers to Pokemon
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: cards in anticipation of what's to come. We'll talk about
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: that more in just a moment. Okay, welcome back. Let's
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: take a look at what's making headlines tomorrow. Will start
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: with the Adelaide Advertiser. We've talked about Pauline Hanson's speech already,
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: but it's worth showing you the front page. Iron Lady
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: reads the headline. Hanson blasts multiculturalism, declares what a woman is,
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: rejects radical Islam in Australia will stop slide into a shle.
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: So not a bad front page from your friends at
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: the Advertiser in South Australia, Caleb. Indeed, and I don't
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: think Pauline Hanson will be terribly upset with that front
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: page either.
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: No, I don't think she will.
• 36:31
  Speaker 5: I think she'll plug a nice phone call into Jimma
• 36:33
  Speaker 5: Jones tomorrow.
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: Indeed, all right, let's go to the front page of
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: the Canberra Times. They've got a slightly different twist on
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: Pauline Hanson's speech at the Press Club Hanson in Canberra.
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: The headline reads strong support in Capital one Nation leader
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: Pauline Hanson has declared that she doesn't much like Canberra,
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: but says her right wing party has a strong base
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: of support in the ACT. I did think this when
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: at the Press Club, Caleb listening to Pauline Hanson, as
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: I was, because I was at the Press Club, as
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: we noted at the beginning of the show, I was
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: actually on the ABC Gemma. But I did smile to
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: myself when Pauline Hanson said her main thought about Canberra
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: is how to get out of the place, and then
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: at the same time time was trying to drum up
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: support in Canberra. I'm not sure how the strategy of
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: dissing the place and appealing to the place Jills.
• 37:31
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a hard tightrope to walk, isn't it. Because
• 37:35
  Speaker 5: of course I can understand why she would want to
• 37:37
  Speaker 5: get out of the place, and most of the rest
• 37:40
  Speaker 5: of the country, certainly those who would tend to her side,
• 37:44
  Speaker 5: would understand why she wants to get out of the place.
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: But look, let's be honest.
• 37:50
  Speaker 5: In the Act, on a state level, they've had I
• 37:53
  Speaker 5: think twenty six years of labor government right, So, no
• 37:57
  Speaker 5: matter how much support one nation has in the ACT,
• 38:03
  Speaker 5: I don't think it's ever really going to translate into
• 38:05
  Speaker 5: anything big, So I'm not sure she's all that worried.
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: Do I hear you saying she's got more to gain
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: from the rest of Australia absolutely by trashing Canberra than
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: she has to gain in Canberra by liking the joint.
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: She's going to be on a unity ticket with ninety
• 38:20
  Speaker 4: eight percent of the population.
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: Here you go.
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: I don't think.
• 38:24
  Speaker 5: I don't think they'll be worrying too much about that
• 38:26
  Speaker 5: month on the front of the Australian tomorrow.
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: Of course, sir As Hansen is there again with some.
• 38:31
  Speaker 5: Of her greatest hits, and I do like underneath with
• 38:35
  Speaker 5: they've noted, of course the get up thing that unfooled
• 38:39
  Speaker 5: there and it sees cheap Charaz.
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: In reference to David Jerez.
• 38:43
  Speaker 5: But the story above it is rather interesting. Sin's from
• 38:46
  Speaker 5: paintings to Pokemon cards ALP's hidden CGT reform trap exclusive
• 38:52
  Speaker 5: Yanni from Matthew Kranston. Millions of taxpayers are being advised
• 38:56
  Speaker 5: to value personal assets worth more than five hundred dollars
• 39:00
  Speaker 5: as of July one, twenty twenty seven, including watches, paintings
• 39:04
  Speaker 5: and Pokemon cards, to avoid being hit with an adverse
• 39:07
  Speaker 5: tax bill under Labour's new Capital Gains Plan. The tax
• 39:11
  Speaker 5: changes are estimated by industry to come with higher compliance
• 39:15
  Speaker 5: costs than the revenue raised by government in the first
• 39:19
  Speaker 5: two years, creating an excessive burden on the system. Treasury
• 39:23
  Speaker 5: sorry refused to say at a hearing this week how
• 39:26
  Speaker 5: much the redesigned CGT would reap for government coffers, but
• 39:29
  Speaker 5: The Australian can reveal that it will only bring in
• 39:32
  Speaker 5: about four hundred million in the twenty twenty eight, twenty
• 39:35
  Speaker 5: nine and twenty twenty nine thirty financial years. And it's
• 39:41
  Speaker 5: funny because I asked my accountant this very question recently,
• 39:46
  Speaker 5: because you know, I sort of labored under the misapprehension
• 39:50
  Speaker 5: that if you weren't purchasing something as an investment, that
• 39:55
  Speaker 5: you weren't liable to pay ANYCGT.
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: And in fact that is not the case. So so
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: if you go to auction or.
• 40:01
  Speaker 5: Something and you buy painting for five hundred dollars and
• 40:04
  Speaker 5: then you sell it teen years later for five thousand dollars,
• 40:08
  Speaker 5: you've got to pay CGT.
• 40:10
  Speaker 4: On hate these socialists and them I hate them, and
• 40:14
  Speaker 4: now that they've done this, you obviously don't get the discount.
• 40:18
  Speaker 5: So you know, Previously, you would have paid whatever it
• 40:21
  Speaker 5: was half as long as you've held it for more
• 40:23
  Speaker 5: than a year. Now, I mean, you know inflation is
• 40:25
  Speaker 5: not going to go up by that much, so you
• 40:28
  Speaker 5: will be paying significant capital gains tax on something that
• 40:32
  Speaker 5: you know you bought because you like the look of it.
• 40:35
  Speaker 5: And a few years later you decide to I don't
• 40:37
  Speaker 5: have children, and you go, okay, well I need some
• 40:40
  Speaker 5: money now, so I'm going to sell a few of
• 40:42
  Speaker 5: the things in my house. Government comes in and says,
• 40:44
  Speaker 5: give us the money.
• 40:45
  Speaker 4: That I couldn't loathe these socialist money grubbers anymore than
• 40:49
  Speaker 4: I do. The end.
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: I'm getting my Pokemon cards pleasure tomorrow, just to be safe.
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: Quite the collection. From what I hear, Joe, I'm a dabble.
• 41:00
  Speaker 5: All of my pieces of art are worth at least
• 41:02
  Speaker 5: ten thousand dollars. That's for you, ato, it says also
• 41:07
  Speaker 5: he in top judges circle very slow wagons. The chief
• 41:10
  Speaker 5: Justice of Australia's largest jurisdiction has blasted the iconoclastic outburst
• 41:15
  Speaker 5: of a Federal Court judge who publicly called out six
• 41:17
  Speaker 5: colleagues for taking more than two and a half years
• 41:20
  Speaker 5: to deliver judgments as other judges across the nation call
• 41:23
  Speaker 5: for comaraderie. New South Wales Chief Justice Andrew Bell wrote
• 41:27
  Speaker 5: to the fifty two judges of his court on Wednesday,
• 41:29
  Speaker 5: criticizing generalized attacks in the media after the publication of
• 41:33
  Speaker 5: Justice Ian Jackman's speech Brother of Hugh, which criticized egregious
• 41:38
  Speaker 5: delays as a real and growing threat to the rule
• 41:41
  Speaker 5: of law in Australia. I don't think he said anything wrong.
• 41:44
  Speaker 5: I mean, seriously, how long do we have to wait?
• 41:47
  Speaker 5: You're accused of something and you sit around waiting and
• 41:49
  Speaker 5: waiting and waiting and waiting and waiting for someone to
• 41:52
  Speaker 5: make a decision.
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: It destroys lives. It shouldn't take two and a half
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: years to come to a judgment.
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: The crime's not what he said, it's that he said it.
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: There was one case he mentioned, if I recall correctly,
• 42:02
  Speaker 4: that the judge retired without even giving a judgment, actually
• 42:05
  Speaker 4: had to punt it onto the next person.
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: That's right.
• 42:08
  Speaker 4: Nice work if you can get it. The Herald's Sun
• 42:10
  Speaker 4: tomorrow on the front page. The story we talked about
• 42:13
  Speaker 4: a little while ago and Zack disgrace Court protects cowards,
• 42:18
  Speaker 4: Magistrate bands public seeing faces of women accused of vile
• 42:22
  Speaker 4: and Zack day insults as Gutlass supporters flaunt slur. A
• 42:27
  Speaker 4: magistrate's decision to protect two women accused of spray painting,
• 42:31
  Speaker 4: f the ANZACs and kill the troops on Melbourne RSLs
• 42:35
  Speaker 4: has sparked widespread outrage. And we covered that story a
• 42:38
  Speaker 4: little bit before. And look who's back in Parliament as
• 42:44
  Speaker 4: I live and breathe. Daniel Andrews. Former Premier Daniel Andrews
• 42:49
  Speaker 4: returns to Spring Street in his first public appearance since
• 42:53
  Speaker 4: a serious healthcare Now that pictures a little bit grainy.
• 42:56
  Speaker 4: He doesn't look a picture of health. I'm curious to
• 42:59
  Speaker 4: know what he was doing doing at Spring Street. I
• 43:00
  Speaker 4: guess I'm gonna have to buy the hunt, but just
• 43:02
  Speaker 4: as well, I already subscribe.
• 43:05
  Speaker 5: He was he went to see a valedictory speech being
• 43:09
  Speaker 5: given by a woman who used to work in his office.
• 43:11
  Speaker 4: Okay, that's not the intrigue.
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: I was looking noer.
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: Ellen's struggling so badly in the polls. Do you really
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: think she wants images of Dan Andrews in Parliament?
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: I doubt well.
• 43:21
  Speaker 5: It's interesting because that the Herald Sounds reporting that Andrews
• 43:24
  Speaker 5: has been on the phone this week trying to drum
• 43:27
  Speaker 5: up support for the Center Alan.
• 43:29
  Speaker 4: Why would he want to do that because she was
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: his pick. Yeah, but she's going down like a fast
• 43:33
  Speaker 4: nine hang.
• 43:34
  Speaker 5: Lider and he the one thing he will well doesn't
• 43:37
  Speaker 5: want to happen.
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: It's not supposed to let it happen or not.
• 43:40
  Speaker 5: He spent so much time when he was Premier collecting
• 43:43
  Speaker 5: power for the Socialist Left, his faction. She is of
• 43:46
  Speaker 5: the Socialist Left. The last thing he wants is to
• 43:49
  Speaker 5: see the right take the leader.
• 43:50
  Speaker 4: Well, you know what, stranger things have happened?
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: Right really quickly, Let's take a look at the front
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: page of the Tasmanian Mercury. Cost for taxpayers just keeps rising.
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: One million dollar fees secret Tasmanian taxpayers have spent more
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: than a million dollars so far funding both sides of
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: legal disputes between MPs Jane Howllett and Madeline How do
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: I say Ogilvy and the Integrity Commission. Premier Jeremy Rockcliffe
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: confirmed in Parliament on Wednesday.
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: So, just when you think.
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: Taxpayers are already paying for ridiculous things, now we're paying
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: for stoushes between MPs. We're going to go to a
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: break when we come back. Story about a British couple
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: who decided to sail from England to France, not anticipating
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: they'd be fired on by a Russian warship.
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: That's next.
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: Well, there's no doubt that Jemma is the animal lover
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: on this program. And Jemmy, you've got a nice story
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: about a wandering Tasmanian dealth.
• 44:51
  Speaker 4: I do love a story about animals breaking free of
• 44:54
  Speaker 4: their enclosures and going about various wild adventures, and this
• 44:57
  Speaker 4: one is a sweet little story about a tazzy devil
• 45:00
  Speaker 4: called Mary. Mary sparked a two week search across the
• 45:04
  Speaker 4: Gold Coast, and sadly she's been found and recaptured, but
• 45:07
  Speaker 4: she's happy and well. She escaped from her enclosure at
• 45:11
  Speaker 4: Paradise Country on Dune the second, which is also my
• 45:14
  Speaker 4: brother's birthday, by making what staff described as an abnormally
• 45:18
  Speaker 4: large leap. I'm sorry for giggling. It's the twelve year
• 45:21
  Speaker 4: old in me. Wildlifet stuff and specialists deployed a number
• 45:25
  Speaker 4: of humane methods, including sniffer dogs and thermal seeking drawings,
• 45:29
  Speaker 4: which seems a bit excessive, to capture Mary and bring
• 45:31
  Speaker 4: her home to safety. But I said, Mary, good work.
• 45:34
  Speaker 4: Long may you reign.
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: Mary was only found two kilometers away from the She's
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: only little.
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: The park shouldn't govery fast.
• 45:40
  Speaker 4: She got short legs.
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: But you know what helped.
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: Alert people to her whereabouts they found kangaroo carcasses.
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: Mary was a hungry little no no, I read that today.
• 45:51
  Speaker 4: Wow, don't disparage Mary.
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: And this is the other thing at Tasmanian devils, including
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: your loved Mary, they don't just eat the flesh. They
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: eat the organs, they eat eat the bones of the animals.
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: Well, they're efficient. That's good. No scrap left behind. I
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: think that's fantastic.
• 46:07
  Speaker 4: Good authority. That Mary was a vegan.
• 46:09
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't think so. But they had a devil
• 46:11
  Speaker 5: of a time trying to get it very good.
• 46:14
  Speaker 4: You're my grandfather. That is a dad job.
• 46:16
  Speaker 5: Look, if I was your grandfather, there'd be something a
• 46:18
  Speaker 5: bit wrong.
• 46:18
  Speaker 4: We'd be in trouble.
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: Speaking of devils, there's a few in the UK committing crimes,
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: and this one particularly interesting. A group of thieves stolen atm.
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: They used a stolen forklift to rip the ATM out
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: of the side of a building.
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: You can see it there.
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: Then they loaded it onto the back of a truck
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: before driving away. Police have not found those responsible and
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: are appealing to the public for help. What I found
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: interesting about this, guys, is reading the comments in the
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: UK Telegraph, and the comments there's hundreds of them, and
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: all of them absolutely bagging the police and saying.
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: How useless they are, how typical this is.
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: And how they that anyone will ever be caught, much
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: less prosecuted for this crime.
• 47:03
  Speaker 5: How do you drive a big piece of machinery up
• 47:06
  Speaker 5: the road and just to rip out an ATM and
• 47:09
  Speaker 5: no one goes something a bit odd going exactly?
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: Well, apparently someone rang the police to report it. The
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: policeman said, no, I don't think so.
• 47:17
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I know exactly. It does sound a bit fanciful.
• 47:21
  Speaker 5: It's pretty incredible, isn't it. Speaking of incredible, I imagine
• 47:24
  Speaker 5: you know, you're out cruising.
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: In New yacht.
• 47:27
  Speaker 5: You're having a gay old time, sipping away on some champagne,
• 47:32
  Speaker 5: you know, probably got attractive ladies out the front, the
• 47:35
  Speaker 5: whole thing, and then you just happen to float close
• 47:38
  Speaker 5: to a ration frigate. So they go, well, we better
• 47:41
  Speaker 5: tell this bloke he's on course you might collide with it.
• 47:44
  Speaker 5: So they get on the radio and you don't answer.
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: So they go, well, what do we do? We'll fire
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: at you.
• 47:50
  Speaker 5: And indeed that is what has happened off the British coast.
• 47:53
  Speaker 5: I think we've got some images here of the little
• 47:56
  Speaker 5: yacht that was shot at by the Rations because I
• 48:00
  Speaker 5: don't know they were worried that the yacht was going
• 48:02
  Speaker 5: to run into the frigate. Something tells me that you
• 48:05
  Speaker 5: would have noticed as you got closer that maybe you
• 48:08
  Speaker 5: were getting off course, and you would have moved yourself
• 48:11
  Speaker 5: without them having to shoot at you.
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: You would have thought, so, what have happened to Great
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: Britain owning the seas?
• 48:16
  Speaker 5: Rule Britannia, Britannia rules the waves.
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: You got to stop.
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: Count up for that penny show. Good Night,