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The Week That Was - November 19 2021 · 360 with Katie Woolf

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Speaker 1: Well, it is time for the week that was. I'm
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Speaker 1: not too sure what happened. They're a bit of a
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Speaker 1: technical issue, but we are all here. Let's get into
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Speaker 1: the weather quickly. First, partly cloudy, medium chants of showers
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Speaker 1: thirty five is what we're heading for in the city,
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Speaker 1: thirty seven in the rural area, and mostly sunny, slight
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Speaker 1: chants of showers in Katherine, and a very warm forty
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Speaker 1: one degrees the top.
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Speaker 2: Ends tied times.
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Speaker 1: We're expecting a low tide of one point one meter
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Speaker 1: at twelve twenty today it's twenty seven degrees in Darwin,
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Speaker 1: twenty eight in the rural area and in Catherine already
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Speaker 1: sitting on thirty degrees and joining us in the studio
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Speaker 1: right now. For the week that was, we have got
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Speaker 1: the Deputy Opposition Leader, Jared Maylee.
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Speaker 3: Good morning to you, Good morning Katy, Good morning listener.
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Speaker 1: We've got Keesier Puric, the Independent member for Goida. Good morning, Kezier,
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Speaker 1: good morning, good morning rural people. And we've got Kate Warden,
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Speaker 1: the Minister for Territory, Families and Housing and various other things.
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Speaker 2: Good morning to you.
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Speaker 4: Good morning Katy, and hello to everybody in Sanders and
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Speaker 4: this man.
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Speaker 1: Great to have you all in the studio with us,
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Speaker 1: and I know it has been a very interesting week.
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Speaker 1: Before we get into it, I do want to say
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Speaker 1: Happy International Means Day as well.
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Speaker 5: A great day for all of these.
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Speaker 1: For your name, I imagine if we had a week,
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Speaker 1: imagine if we had a week with only women on
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Speaker 1: the padel, I would have felt very bad.
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Speaker 2: No, it's wonderful to have you in here, Jared. A
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Speaker 2: big Happy.
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Speaker 1: International Men's Day to all the great blokes out there.
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Speaker 1: I know that you know that all of us have
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Speaker 1: wonderful men in our lives, and I think it's a
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Speaker 1: really important day for everybody.
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Speaker 2: Now let's get into.
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Speaker 1: It, because this week has been a really big week,
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Speaker 1: I think the biggest week that we've had in the
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Speaker 1: Northern Territory when you talk about COVID and the concerns
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Speaker 1: that we've got now. Very fortunately obviously, yesterday we learned
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Speaker 1: that we recorded no locally acquired cases new locally acquired
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Speaker 1: cases of COVID nineteen. The Chief Minister, Michael Gunner said
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Speaker 1: that the total remained at nineteen. When it comes to
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Speaker 1: the cluster that we've got currently nine of those people
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Speaker 1: are fully vaccinated, two had received one dose, five are unvaccinated,
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Speaker 1: and three are not eligible.
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Speaker 2: That's out of the new ones.
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Speaker 1: Now we know that there are a number of close
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Speaker 1: contacts which have been identified and the situation is still.
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Speaker 2: Very much unknown.
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Speaker 1: I think you'd have to say for those in Catherine
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Speaker 1: at this point, with the wastewater testing coming back yesterday
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Speaker 1: showing that there was positive COVID in all three of
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Speaker 1: those catchment areas, it's a concern and I think it's
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Speaker 1: the biggest concern that we've had really for the territory
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Speaker 1: at this point when it comes to COVID.
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Speaker 4: I think we've been you know, almost building up for
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Speaker 4: this for eighteen months, probably close on two years now
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Speaker 4: essentially that we've you know, all of those ducks have
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Speaker 4: been put in a line for this. I don't think
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Speaker 4: it's been totally unexpected, but I do think I heard
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Speaker 4: of somebody saying this morning that yesterday with the announcements,
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Speaker 4: everybody's sort of almost collectively holding their breaths to see
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Speaker 4: where we're at. And I think it has you know,
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Speaker 4: everybody's tuned in Katie, which I think is a.
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Speaker 5: Really good thing.
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Speaker 4: Whether you're in Alice Springs or your intenant Creek. I
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Speaker 4: think this has got everybody tuning in and talking about
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Speaker 4: it and knowing that for a long time we've sort
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Speaker 4: of maybe perhaps been a product of our own good
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Speaker 4: luck and also hard work. But eventually, I think it's
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Speaker 4: always the signs were there that this was coming, and
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Speaker 4: it's how we've responded to that over the last week
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Speaker 4: that's been not just interesting, but I do want to
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Speaker 4: kick off today by just saying how downed good people
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Speaker 4: that I've certainly been with and had anything to do with,
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Speaker 4: have stepped up to the plate this week and it's
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Speaker 4: been interesting. I think territories have been absolutely amazing this week.
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Speaker 3: Yes, Katie, thanks sir, and I agree with what you're saying.
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Speaker 3: You've had the government's had two years to get ready
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Speaker 3: for this, and unfortunately this just shows that there's been
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Speaker 3: an absolute lack of playing for the last two years.
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Speaker 3: This is our first outbreak, and I agree that you're
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Speaker 3: saying was to be expected and it's coming, and everyone
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Speaker 3: knew about that for two years to get the health
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Speaker 3: system ready. We've only had one case of COVID who's
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Speaker 3: gone into the health SYSM, not intensive came on you're
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Speaker 3: on eventually just into the hospital for treatment and we've
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Speaker 3: already had to cancel surgery. So we've had two years
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Speaker 3: to get the health system up and running. We have
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Speaker 3: even had an outbreak. The dility modeling is suggesting about
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Speaker 3: thirty people cases a day. We've had one case and
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Speaker 3: we've had to cancel a the selective surgeries. This shows
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Speaker 3: that there's been no planning for this labor govern for the
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Speaker 3: last two years. Then we talk about the rollout of
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Speaker 3: the vaccine. We've had a year to do that, it
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Speaker 3: didn't get to where it needed to go. The mandate
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Speaker 3: come in. That was the show because he's made that decision.
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Speaker 3: The mandates come and gone, and we're still not need
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Speaker 3: eighty percent. Like I've got the latest figures for the
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Speaker 3: literally it's fifty two percent. And so talking about forward
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Speaker 3: planning here we talk about the home quarantine, which we're
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Speaker 3: moving to. What's the plan in relation to that, because
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Speaker 3: you can't use that unless you get eighty percent, So
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Speaker 3: what is it? What is the government's plan to get
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Speaker 3: us from where we are now on our vaccine it's
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Speaker 3: at fifty percent in the rural area to the eighty
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Speaker 3: percent to be able to hone quarantine.
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Speaker 6: I see that there is no plan, because that's really clear.
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Speaker 4: The plan is to get everybody vaccinate.
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Speaker 3: How you can get over you're going to do that well,
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Speaker 3: and you've had a year to do that and you
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Speaker 3: failed the man and come and gone and it's still
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Speaker 3: we're still not at eighty percent.
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Speaker 6: So what are you going to do.
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Speaker 4: It's easy to stand on the lines without actually talking
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Speaker 4: about what's going on. I'll tell you in my world,
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Speaker 4: we've got public housing safety officers going to all to
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Speaker 4: door at public housing. We've got you know, I know
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Speaker 4: that health has been going to door to door, so
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Speaker 4: there's been you do you know it's an escalating type
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Speaker 4: of situation. I know you wouldn't get it, Jared, because
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Speaker 4: actually you're not in government. You don't ask the right questions.
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Speaker 4: You just just.
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Speaker 3: Go on desiree and you failed or.
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Speaker 1: I think what we can all be sure of is
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Speaker 1: that it is a really serious situation at the moment.
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Speaker 1: In terms of Robinson River, obviously they have got the
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Speaker 1: cluster there. We know that that also in Catherine. Like
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Speaker 1: I said, we've got a number of people in Catherine,
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Speaker 1: and at this point in time, we are still really
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Speaker 1: waiting for a number of those test results to come
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Speaker 1: back and what I do want to talk about is
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Speaker 1: that testing. And we know we caught up a little
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Speaker 1: bit earlier in the week with well with the Kirby's
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Speaker 1: Pub owner who had said that it's going to be
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Speaker 1: difficult to do that tracking and tracing.
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Speaker 5: Basically, Katie, I did listen to that interview with that
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Speaker 5: woman and the fact that the staff couldn't get tested,
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Speaker 5: and I think you had another lady on the on
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Speaker 5: your show who said I think you had on Monday
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Speaker 5: Tuesday and she couldn't get a test until Saturday when
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Speaker 5: she'd gone home and isolating help. That part is good.
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Speaker 5: But after the Melbourne Cup day when there was a
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Speaker 5: scare down from the noon humpty do pup' roe. When
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Speaker 5: and got tested at Marra, there was about three or
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Speaker 5: four stations open and the cars there wasn't many cars.
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Speaker 5: But then I hear in the last couple of days
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Speaker 5: it's only sit about one station open. So what's happened
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Speaker 5: in two.
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Speaker 4: Week there's three there's three spots, so it's.
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Speaker 2: Not just Marara.
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Speaker 4: We've got one open and I don't have an issue
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Speaker 4: and there's no lineup. So what we do is we
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Speaker 4: scale up and we scale down. So if there's a
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Speaker 4: lot of cars there, you're scaling up and if there's not,
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Speaker 4: your scale downs.
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Speaker 5: Because there was three hours away. I mean, I'm just
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Speaker 5: just commenting on that, but I mean the fact that
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Speaker 5: COVID has gone into one of our communities in the
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Speaker 5: Northern Territory was always going to be given, okay with
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Speaker 5: the government and all the resources and all the agencies
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Speaker 5: were trying to minimize, if not eliminate those risks. But
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Speaker 5: the risk has always been there. And I concur with
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Speaker 5: Jared a little bit. The risk has always been there
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Speaker 5: of COVID getting into an Aboriginal community or a remote community,
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Speaker 5: or even a cattle station for that matter that has
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Speaker 5: a lot of employees. So my question has always been
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Speaker 5: how was the government prepared or what were they doing
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Speaker 5: to address that risk and to actually know that it
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Speaker 5: will happen. Sadly, if anyone knows about risk assessment, and
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Speaker 5: now it is there, and of course you've got borrow
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Speaker 5: a little right next door. We know that those communities
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Speaker 5: are basically related in different shapes and forms in Aboriginal culture,
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Speaker 5: so I'd be interested in it. They don't obviously they
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Speaker 5: won't tell us, but you know what other measures are
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Speaker 5: being put in place to basically quarantine probably the what
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Speaker 5: they call the Big Rivers region now, because that's where
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Speaker 5: it's going from. Catherine is a huge hub for communities.
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Speaker 5: It goes east one way, and Kannanaro one way in
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Speaker 5: Queensland another way, and even just to cattle station people
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Speaker 5: like you know, I've had an example of cattle station
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Speaker 5: nearby and I don't know what the police were doing
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Speaker 5: or someone was doing. They were mustering and the police
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Speaker 5: rang up. The manager said, oh, they've got to wear
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Speaker 5: masks like they're mustering for goodness sake. A little bit
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Speaker 5: of common sense here so that they got an exemption.
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Speaker 5: But I'd like to know what kind of communication is
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Speaker 5: going out to cattle stations in the Catherine region, because
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Speaker 5: you can't have people on horses, you know, wearing masks
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Speaker 5: when it becomes actually a bit of a safety And
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Speaker 5: I actually we have better communication from government, and do
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Speaker 5: you know.
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Speaker 1: What, I don't actually think that it's just that communication
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Speaker 1: in terms of out to the cattle stations, but I
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Speaker 1: actually feel as though there needs to be some better
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Speaker 1: communication across the board when it comes to what's happening
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Speaker 1: at the moment.
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Speaker 2: We obviously it's great.
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Speaker 1: When we hear from the Chief Minister every day, that's
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Speaker 1: a really good thing to have happened. We will expect
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Speaker 1: to do that between eleven and eleven thirty. But the
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Speaker 1: thing that I found really concerning earlier in the week
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Speaker 1: is we had a situation where we were no longer
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Speaker 1: able to have visitors up at the hospital. We had
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Speaker 1: that situation where the elective surgeries had been canceled. Yesterday
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Speaker 1: there was people waiting to shows test lines.
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Speaker 2: And which nothing was coming out.
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Speaker 1: But the thing was we were being told that we
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Speaker 1: couldn't speak to the Health Minister, we couldn't speak to
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Speaker 1: the Department of Health. And then we're learning, you know,
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Speaker 1: three hours after we'd been speaking to people on the
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Speaker 1: phone lines yesterday morning about those weight lines at the
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Speaker 1: test clinics, that a poster had gone up on nt
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Speaker 1: Health's Facebook page letting people know that, oh, you can
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Speaker 1: book in here, or you can book in here. To me,
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Speaker 1: that's just not good enough.
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Speaker 2: It's actually to be fit to.
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Speaker 3: Be community no notice. And they had three hundred people
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Speaker 3: rock and they had one person on the door. These
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Speaker 3: people are generally concerned about getting tests and they're doing
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Speaker 3: what they've been asked to go and get tested, and
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Speaker 3: yet there's no planning.
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Speaker 6: Wasn't ready for it. You can't tell me.
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Speaker 3: You can't tell me that we finished finish. You can't
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Speaker 3: say that this has been not a clunky roll out.
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Speaker 3: The government's had time. They must have done some sort
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Speaker 3: of forward planning in relation to risk on how to
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Speaker 3: deal with the outbreaking an ember community, because it was
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Speaker 3: bound to happen, like Ca said earlier, But it's just
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Speaker 3: been a clunky roll out, and the messaging has been
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Speaker 3: really confusing and upsetting a lot of people.
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Speaker 4: Well, I think that you know, we're talking sitting up
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Speaker 4: in here in Darwin, and this outbreak has been in Catherine.
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Speaker 4: I think to be genuine we should talk to people
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Speaker 4: and Catherine about the messaging and talk of it's been
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Speaker 4: really quite an interesting and look, you know what government
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Speaker 4: learns from these things as well, because you might have
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Speaker 4: a really good plan in place and you'll find things
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Speaker 4: that need tweaking as you go along. And I think
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Speaker 4: that we've done that, and I think that we've done
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Speaker 4: it well. And I want to say thanks to all
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Speaker 4: those public servants because we have escalated people. I know
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Speaker 4: that within hours we had people heading down to Catherine
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Speaker 4: and teams. You know, they left their families and the
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Speaker 4: safety if in some ways of Darwin to head down
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Speaker 4: to Catherine to do that work. And there's some of
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Speaker 4: them are still there, and I think we have to
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Speaker 4: acknowledge that we had all those plans in place. But
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Speaker 4: when it comes to communication, Cay, do you know as
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Speaker 4: well as anyone else, there's so many different ways to
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Speaker 4: skin a cat.
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Speaker 1: Right, I know better than anybody else that if you
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Speaker 1: can send something out on Facebook, you can send it.
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Speaker 2: To all the different meaning that's going on. I think
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Speaker 2: I actually think it.
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Speaker 6: Essentially concerned, confusing and what are you doing about?
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Speaker 5: I'm sorry, I'm just going to do it all right.
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Speaker 1: I'm just gonna calm everyone down for a second because
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Speaker 1: I want to make a point that's really clear. The
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Speaker 1: the I actually hats off to everybody on the ground
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Speaker 1: who's doing a phenomenal job in terms of the health
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Speaker 1: services rolling out to the likes of Catherine. What happened
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Speaker 1: out there in Robinson River in terms of people going
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Speaker 1: out to those communities is fantastic, and the work that's
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Speaker 1: happening on the ground is fantastic, phenomenal. But to me,
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Speaker 1: we're two months or we're two years just about into
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Speaker 1: this thing, and if we can't work out how to
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Speaker 1: actually get really clear and concise messaging out to the
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Speaker 1: community with the secondary things, so we know we're not
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Speaker 1: talking about, you know, that messaging that's coming out from
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Speaker 1: the Chief Minister in the press conferences. I'm talking about
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Speaker 1: all that secondary stuff like the elective surgery, like the testing,
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Speaker 1: what you need.
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Speaker 2: To do if you're visiting the hospital.
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Speaker 1: That should be really common sense approach in my opinion,
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Speaker 1: and it should be even with the genomic testing yesterday
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Speaker 1: afternoon coming through and us learning that there is a
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Speaker 1: situation where it's obviously you know, we know that it's
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Speaker 1: all now linked. You know, we're then getting sent a
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Speaker 1: screenshot from NT Health's Facebook page as to what's going on.
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Speaker 1: I just think it needs to get a little bit
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Speaker 1: more streamlined. And I've said it right from the get go,
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Speaker 1: even with the COVID website right at the start, and
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Speaker 1: they did fix that up, it did become more streamlined.
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Speaker 1: But people need to know, like yesterday morning, we shouldn't
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Speaker 1: end up in a situation where the opposition is coming
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Speaker 1: on and communicating to people where the clinics are that
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Speaker 1: people can actually go to to get tested in Catherine
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Speaker 1: because we can't get anyone from the government.
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Speaker 4: But I think those details were in the Chiefness's announcement
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Speaker 4: yesterday and I think to talk to be really fair.
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Speaker 4: Every day there is a process and I think that
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Speaker 4: this is what I was saying before, everybody's tuned into
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Speaker 4: this process that every morning, the sense or you know,
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Speaker 4: that security group out of Cabinet, they meet every morning.
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Speaker 4: There's a process and things change on a daily basis,
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Speaker 4: and I think that there's so many different ways of communicating.
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Speaker 4: I mean, I'm the Minister for Multicultural Affairs and I
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Speaker 4: know that you know early on we were facing some
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Speaker 4: challenges in there and what was and we've had to
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Speaker 4: work that through what's the best way to do that
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Speaker 4: and we've been working really strongly with Aboriginal communities about
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Speaker 4: that best way to communicate those messages. So whilst I
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Speaker 4: take your point Katie about communication, but the very first
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Speaker 4: priority coming out of those SEMPSEI meetings on a daily
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Speaker 4: basis has to be the people directly affected, and so
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Speaker 4: that messaging needs to be down there. And I think
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Speaker 4: we could go back and forth between each other, but
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Speaker 4: I actually think, you know, Jerry ed. You just said
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Speaker 4: I can do nothing. I'm in opposition. You are a
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Speaker 4: community leader and you have a responsibility stand up and
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Speaker 4: give a very strong message around these things, not just
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Speaker 4: snip from the sidelines constantly, which you do when you
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Speaker 4: come in here. And I know that out in your
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Speaker 4: community you are considered a leader. So let's let's all
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Speaker 4: just put this to bed and say it's all of
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Speaker 4: our responsibility to communicate this. There is a source of truth.
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Speaker 4: It comes out of sense on a daily basis, and
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Speaker 4: you know, we can go round and round with this,
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Speaker 4: and Katie, I take your points on board. But at
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Speaker 4: the same time, because this is a changing situation and
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Speaker 4: the people that are affected the most are the people
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Speaker 4: that it doesn't encain.
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Speaker 1: They are the ones who are calling us. Yesterday morning,
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Speaker 1: you couldn't get that message.
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Speaker 2: So that's the point I'm making. You make a point.
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Speaker 5: I hear what Kate says, and yes, as elected members,
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Speaker 5: we are we are seen as leaders and hopefully we
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Speaker 5: do lead our communities when when required. Now I have
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Speaker 5: been trying to lead my community, particularly the cambodings of
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Speaker 5: the Vietnamese. Now I wrote to the Health Minister nearly
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Speaker 5: a month and a half ago asking for the specific
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Speaker 5: messages to be put into language, and she wrote back
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Speaker 5: and said, yes, they're working on it now. I presume
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Speaker 5: it's the Multicultural Department or the Interpreter Service, one or
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Speaker 5: the other.
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Speaker 4: They were done six months ago.
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Speaker 5: Well they haven't been set out to me. Now, how
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Speaker 5: can I lead my community? The Minister said I would
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Speaker 5: get the information, and I still don't have the information. Look,
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Speaker 5: most of the communities, the Cambodians, the Vietnamese and all
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Speaker 5: those communities that work out in the rural are they
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Speaker 5: can't speak English, you know, and they speak pretty good English,
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Speaker 5: but sometimes it just helps if it's in their first language.
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Speaker 5: Like we always talked about admissinal people in their first
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Speaker 5: language and putting things into language for them. So why
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Speaker 5: isn't the Minister Elder Department, I should say, why an't
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Speaker 5: they getting it out to people like me and Jared
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Speaker 5: and the lever for Daily who have farmers in their
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Speaker 5: electric Because these farmers are very mobile, they help each
15:41
Speaker 5: other and they travel around a lot. And the Farmer's
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Speaker 5: Association is setting out briefs to communities because the farms
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Speaker 5: between Darwin and Catherine obviously very LinkedIn you know, some
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Speaker 5: people have farms everywhere. So come back to the community,
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Speaker 5: come back to communication. I'm trying to do the best
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Speaker 5: for my community, but I'm not getting information out of government.
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Speaker 1: On all right.
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Speaker 2: No, they haven't.
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Speaker 5: They have not to the cambonas in my community. They
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Speaker 5: have not because I know the leaders in the community
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Speaker 5: and they haven't got.
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Speaker 6: Talking about me in a leader.
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Speaker 3: People in my area in how D talked to me
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Speaker 3: about being confused about the mixed messaging. We want you
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Speaker 3: to come in sand and so I come here on
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Speaker 3: radio and talk to you and talk to Kater directly
16:20
Speaker 3: about this and I get bag for it is It
16:22
Speaker 3: really goes back to the government.
16:23
Speaker 6: We try and to do our job at the government.
16:26
Speaker 1: I do think at this point in time, we're obviously
16:29
Speaker 1: in a situation that we've never been in it before.
16:32
Speaker 1: And I understand that there is a lot of confusing
16:34
Speaker 1: things going on classes well and look, but in a
16:39
Speaker 1: lot of ways they are, you know, like I at
16:41
Speaker 1: the moment there is I think it is a good
16:44
Speaker 1: thing when obviously we hear from the Chief Minister each
16:46
Speaker 1: day about exactly what's.
16:47
Speaker 2: Going on and get those updates. But anyway, we will
16:50
Speaker 2: take a very short break.
16:51
Speaker 1: There is a lot to cover off still this morning
16:53
Speaker 1: you are listening to Mix one O four point nine.
16:55
Speaker 2: It is the week that was. All right, it's twenty
16:57
Speaker 2: five minutes after nine o'clock.
16:59
Speaker 1: You are listening to the week that was in the
17:01
Speaker 1: studio with us this morning Jered Maylee, Keesi Epuric and
17:04
Speaker 1: Kate Warden. And there is a lot to cover off
17:07
Speaker 1: on and obviously we've just spoken about the cluster that's
17:10
Speaker 1: been seen and is still still a real concern at
17:13
Speaker 1: this point in Catherine and Robinson River. Now we are
17:17
Speaker 1: expecting to hear from the Chief Minister, Michael Gunner today
17:19
Speaker 1: between eleven and eleven thirty hopefully, and we will bring
17:23
Speaker 1: that press conference to you live right here on three
17:25
Speaker 1: point sixty. In a bit of a development this morning,
17:28
Speaker 1: we know that the Northern Territory Government has unveiled these
17:31
Speaker 1: rapid antigen testing and distribution points as travel restrictions come
17:36
Speaker 1: into effect for remote communities with those vaccination rates below
17:39
Speaker 1: seventy percent. So top end testing and distribution points are
17:43
Speaker 1: going to be located at the Royal Darwin Hospital, the
17:45
Speaker 1: Pandemic Clinic there in Alice Springs, at the Pandemic Coordination
17:49
Speaker 1: Center and will be located at forty four Bath Street,
17:53
Speaker 1: so that's the one in Alice at this point in time. Basically,
17:57
Speaker 1: those negative rapid antigen test results are required seventy two
18:01
Speaker 1: hours or less for anyone who intends to travel to
18:04
Speaker 1: a remote community with a first dose vaccination rate below
18:09
Speaker 1: seventy percent. So essentially my understanding of it is, and
18:12
Speaker 1: happy for you to correct me, Cater if I'm wrong,
18:14
Speaker 1: is that if you do need to go out into
18:17
Speaker 1: one of those one of those communities where the vax
18:20
Speaker 1: rate is under seventy percent, you need to make sure
18:22
Speaker 1: that you go and get one of those rapid antigen tests.
18:25
Speaker 2: If it comes back negative, you're good to go.
18:27
Speaker 4: Absolutely if it does. Be a practical example of that.
18:29
Speaker 4: In my agency, you know, we do some child protection
18:32
Speaker 4: work and we've got Strengthening Families workers that go out
18:36
Speaker 4: in and out to communities all the time, working with
18:38
Speaker 4: individual families to keep families together because we know that
18:41
Speaker 4: that's the best outcome for kids. So they might go
18:43
Speaker 4: in and out regularly, but it probably is not practical
18:46
Speaker 4: for them to have a test on a daily basis
18:48
Speaker 4: going in and out, So how do you do that
18:50
Speaker 4: so they will be This is the work that's going ahead.
18:54
Speaker 4: You talk about getting prepared, this is about being prepared
18:56
Speaker 4: for that work. We knew a few weeks ago that
18:58
Speaker 4: this is where we were stepping out to. So once
19:00
Speaker 4: we had all that data from the federal government, we're
19:02
Speaker 4: able to understand and from the Aboriginal community organizations that
19:06
Speaker 4: have been doing the vaccines about the VACCA rates any
19:09
Speaker 4: communities now that less than seventy percent, as you rightly said,
19:12
Speaker 4: if you're heading into that public service, not even just
19:15
Speaker 4: public services for businesses as well. So we've got people
19:17
Speaker 4: working in the NDEs, for example, in that caring space
19:20
Speaker 4: that go in and out and support people on the
19:22
Speaker 4: NDEs in remote This is how we get those testing
19:25
Speaker 4: kits to them, and that that's that whole reporting regime
19:28
Speaker 4: you'd get, you know, the business or an individual would
19:31
Speaker 4: get that test kit from that distribution site and that's
19:34
Speaker 4: where they thea's back and forth, getting that the test
19:37
Speaker 4: results back and forth so that they're clear to go.
19:39
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I know there'll be a lot of people
19:41
Speaker 1: listening this morning who obviously do need to make sure
19:43
Speaker 1: that they're able to do this to be able to
19:46
Speaker 1: get those test results, who work out in the communities
19:49
Speaker 1: for various reasons, whether like you said, it's part of Yeah,
19:52
Speaker 1: that's right, whether it's you know, whether it's an employee
19:55
Speaker 1: of the NT government, the federal government, or private contractors.
19:59
Speaker 2: So there is certainly going to be quite quite a
20:02
Speaker 2: few people I would anticipate too. Yeah, who are going
20:05
Speaker 2: to have to use this facility?
20:06
Speaker 6: So what about the private contractors?
20:08
Speaker 3: To people going out, they've got to go to the
20:10
Speaker 3: facility first to get the test and then go out,
20:12
Speaker 3: how do they they have a result in their pocket
20:15
Speaker 3: where they asked by the police. I don't understand the
20:16
Speaker 3: rules how that all works. Maybe caken it and some of.
20:19
Speaker 4: It's going to be I think technically done. So you'll
20:21
Speaker 4: have it on your phone for results, and you have
20:25
Speaker 4: to be able to provide that probably on entry at
20:27
Speaker 4: the community.
20:27
Speaker 6: Most of these community don't have reception when you go
20:29
Speaker 6: in there, how they I.
20:31
Speaker 2: Think, I've got to do it, don't You have to
20:32
Speaker 2: do it before you go in.
20:34
Speaker 3: But if you get pulled up by the police on
20:35
Speaker 3: the way in and after your negative test, how did
20:37
Speaker 3: that work?
20:38
Speaker 2: So I think you've got to have a photo of
20:39
Speaker 2: it and then you show it on the phone, is
20:41
Speaker 2: my understanding.
20:42
Speaker 4: But yeah, so Whilst you can't get that connectivity there,
20:44
Speaker 4: you can still see all your text messages and some
20:47
Speaker 4: of that will be done by SMS, so you'll get
20:49
Speaker 4: your test results via SMS and even though you might
20:52
Speaker 4: not have forg you can still show it.
20:53
Speaker 3: So you've got to go one of these locations to
20:55
Speaker 3: get the test out the location.
20:56
Speaker 6: You can't just fight it online and you get a.
20:58
Speaker 4: Bulk amount from that. We need to know who's going
21:01
Speaker 4: who's not, So your business or an individual would go
21:04
Speaker 4: to that place and be registered as someone and you
21:06
Speaker 4: would perhaps pick up maybe it would be once a
21:08
Speaker 4: week for your workers. This is getting ahead of the
21:11
Speaker 4: game and making sure that we can continue to get
21:15
Speaker 4: and it.
21:15
Speaker 1: Is just one of those things that really needs to
21:18
Speaker 1: start happening, these evolving situations that were sort of going
21:21
Speaker 1: through in the territory at the moment, in order well
21:23
Speaker 1: to hopefully get to the point where we're able to
21:26
Speaker 1: travel freely around Australia again from the Northern Territory. And
21:29
Speaker 1: I know that I certainly want to be able to travel,
21:32
Speaker 1: but there's a lot of concern at the moment, and
21:34
Speaker 1: there has been for some time about whether it is
21:36
Speaker 1: going to happen and how this home quarantine trial is going.
21:40
Speaker 1: I know Kezier and Jared, this is something that you've
21:42
Speaker 1: both raised to this on the show before.
21:44
Speaker 5: Well, because I've had another a constituent, a mother and
21:48
Speaker 5: a daughter in Howdspring, because I had the emergency go
21:51
Speaker 5: down to Melbourne. Now she lives on five acres at Humptydoo.
21:54
Speaker 5: And you know, if there's any a good place to quarantine,
21:57
Speaker 5: it's usually on rural properties because they're generally five plus acres.
22:01
Speaker 5: Often they have a grandy flat of things of that nature. Now,
22:03
Speaker 5: I know that the government's made this ruling that the
22:05
Speaker 5: community or the locality in local government has to have
22:08
Speaker 5: eighty percent vaccination rate, and I guess that's the rule
22:11
Speaker 5: that I've made. But then the four G. But as
22:14
Speaker 5: I've said before, this shown also the Minister's aware of it.
22:17
Speaker 5: Minister for Health is the rul air struggles to get
22:18
Speaker 5: four G through. No one's particularly fault, not Telsa's fault
22:21
Speaker 5: or anyone. But so they've said they'll look at wi fi,
22:25
Speaker 5: but I haven't heard back whether the WiFi is going
22:27
Speaker 5: to be suitable. Now, the woman in Howard Springs and
22:30
Speaker 5: her daughter are both vaccinated. Fully, they're just having a
22:34
Speaker 5: nice boring time there, but they could be on their
22:36
Speaker 5: property doing many for the kids are high school student,
22:39
Speaker 5: so she could be back at school or even schooling
22:41
Speaker 5: from home. So there needs to be a little bit
22:44
Speaker 5: of flexibility because they're taking up two beds, they're costing
22:46
Speaker 5: obviously government and using up resources. And there's people like her,
22:50
Speaker 5: And I've had other people who want to come back
22:51
Speaker 5: from men to state to home quarantine at Marachai, But
22:54
Speaker 5: of course Marico is not in a local government area,
22:56
Speaker 5: but the Minister has said miss for Health that that
22:58
Speaker 5: locality has to have exclanation of it.
23:00
Speaker 4: But we're still in the pilot phase two Keasier, so
23:02
Speaker 4: I think they are choosing people and testing it through
23:05
Speaker 4: to make sure we get it right.
23:06
Speaker 5: I think accepted the list she's asked them.
23:09
Speaker 4: So we've always said it's not you don't can't put
23:11
Speaker 4: your hand up. We are picking people as they've gone
23:14
Speaker 4: through that it's been that way from the start, it
23:17
Speaker 4: or not, that's the way we've done this pilot. So
23:19
Speaker 4: at the end of the pilot we will have probably
23:21
Speaker 4: tested a range of scenarios with different people in different places.
23:25
Speaker 4: And I think that you know you've got to allow
23:27
Speaker 4: that to happen. People were getting ahead here. We're not
23:30
Speaker 4: to the point that we said that we would allow
23:32
Speaker 4: home quarantine. We're very close to it now, and when
23:35
Speaker 4: that comes, we'll have had the pilot under and we'll
23:37
Speaker 4: know how it works. And there are issues that obviously
23:40
Speaker 4: you've raised that they're around four G. That's something that
23:43
Speaker 4: we're working through, and those things take time because it's
23:46
Speaker 4: not you know, we've been battling, i know, for the
23:49
Speaker 4: last five years, talking with the federal government, talking with
23:52
Speaker 4: bodies like tell Stra to get you know, four G
23:56
Speaker 4: and and those sorts of services are into remote communities
24:00
Speaker 4: in the rural area. So all of that's really important,
24:03
Speaker 4: and it's now coming to the fore how important those
24:05
Speaker 4: you know, those arguments have been and those services. So
24:08
Speaker 4: there's going to be limitations. I don't think I think
24:10
Speaker 4: we should all be quite a matter of fact about that.
24:14
Speaker 4: Not everybody's going to be able to hone quarantine. And
24:16
Speaker 4: I think that's you know, it's going to be good
24:19
Speaker 4: for some and it's and it's not going to sue others.
24:21
Speaker 4: And I'm not saying that for everybody in the rural area.
24:23
Speaker 4: But these are the practicalities of it, and that's why
24:25
Speaker 4: you do a pilot. But you've got.
24:28
Speaker 3: Pilots, but you finish next Tuesday, the twenty third. We
24:31
Speaker 3: don't even know how many people think there's been toil
24:32
Speaker 3: between forty and fifty. So when are the results in
24:35
Speaker 3: the this pilot going to come out?
24:36
Speaker 4: Three weeks ago? Jered, what are the numbers till next
24:40
Speaker 4: week when the pilot's finished, When.
24:42
Speaker 6: You're going to tell us the results?
24:43
Speaker 3: Why an you tell us nowsing.
24:48
Speaker 2: The politics for a second? Hang on a second.
24:50
Speaker 1: Goodness, Now, I think the concern is going to be
24:53
Speaker 1: is that everybody just wants to make sure that it
24:55
Speaker 1: has been successful, so that for you know, so that
24:58
Speaker 1: people are able to actually home quarantine, like we do
25:02
Speaker 1: want to all get to the point where we're either
25:03
Speaker 1: able to home quarantine or not actually needing to quarantine,
25:08
Speaker 1: where we're just getting tested. And this is one of
25:10
Speaker 1: the other things that I'd wandered throughout the week. We
25:12
Speaker 1: know that plenty of people have needed to be tested.
25:15
Speaker 1: In fact, numerous people have been out to be tested.
25:19
Speaker 1: We know that they had massive numbers over the last
25:21
Speaker 1: couple of days two around the place, which is a
25:24
Speaker 1: great thing. But are we like, do we know if
25:27
Speaker 1: there has been how the testing has gone when it
25:29
Speaker 1: does come to this home quarantine trial, because it is
25:32
Speaker 1: incredibly extensive, it's something like it's sevent tests that people
25:36
Speaker 1: need to get.
25:36
Speaker 4: It's important, Katie, that we actually let the trial finish
25:39
Speaker 4: and then you can look at the data and then
25:40
Speaker 4: you can convert that into the proper program. You don't
25:43
Speaker 4: get halfway through a pilot and start second getting the
25:45
Speaker 4: figures and go, oh, you know, we're three quarters the
25:48
Speaker 4: way through, three days left. You do actually, well, in
25:51
Speaker 4: three days time you'll know the answer.
25:52
Speaker 6: Gen promise the results.
25:55
Speaker 4: Your proposition is.
25:56
Speaker 1: Ridiculous, right, we've definitely gone off tracks, so I might
25:59
Speaker 1: take a very kesy you wanted to say something quickly.
26:02
Speaker 5: No, it's probably were a question and probably won't have
26:04
Speaker 5: an answer straight away, but maybe it's something that we
26:06
Speaker 5: can find out. I've got or have constituents who have
26:10
Speaker 5: been sent into state under the pet scheme. They've had
26:12
Speaker 5: to go down Southport.
26:14
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know.
26:15
Speaker 5: Sydney and Melbourne.
26:16
Speaker 2: That is the patient assistant.
26:19
Speaker 5: So they've had to go down south to get treatment,
26:22
Speaker 5: but then trying to come home. Yeah, there's a problem.
26:25
Speaker 4: They need to quarantine at the moment under the current yeah.
26:28
Speaker 5: And which is really tough and it's vaccinated, they've just
26:30
Speaker 5: got something else for them.
26:31
Speaker 4: But we may move to that home quarantine easier and
26:34
Speaker 4: then they you know, then then you they come in
26:36
Speaker 4: under that scheme. So that's why we need to move it.
26:38
Speaker 4: I mean, it's exactly what you're saying. Your point is made,
26:40
Speaker 4: because essentially we need to move to a home quarantine.
26:44
Speaker 4: But if we look into state and we see the
26:46
Speaker 4: mess with hotel quarantines and all those sorts of things,
26:49
Speaker 4: let's just let's just do this right, people, and let's
26:51
Speaker 4: be patient for three days and get it right so
26:53
Speaker 4: that people like that can home quarantine.
26:55
Speaker 1: Well, let's take a very short break. You are listening
26:58
Speaker 1: to Mix Swallow four point nine. It is the week
27:00
Speaker 1: that was also broadcasting on EIGHTHA. It is twenty minutes
27:05
Speaker 1: away from ten o'clock. You are listening to the week
27:07
Speaker 1: that was Kate Warden, Keesy Epuric and Jared Mayley all
27:10
Speaker 1: in the.
27:10
Speaker 2: Studio with us this morning.
27:12
Speaker 1: Now we know that earlier in the week, obviously the
27:14
Speaker 1: vaccine mandate kicked in and the Northern Territory government revealed
27:18
Speaker 1: how much of its workforce was unvaccinated following the introduction
27:22
Speaker 1: of that wide ranging vaccine mandate, so it really kicked
27:26
Speaker 1: in on Saturday or at midnight last Friday night. We
27:29
Speaker 1: know that more than ninety seven percent of public servants
27:32
Speaker 1: are vaccinated, the Chief Minister had said earlier in the week,
27:36
Speaker 1: and the government has said that fourteen out of the
27:39
Speaker 1: seventeen one hundred police members have vaccinated. We also know
27:43
Speaker 1: I think there was about sixty odd nurses or maybe
27:46
Speaker 1: sixty five who weren't vaccinated, but it did seem as
27:49
Speaker 1: though the large majority had been vaccinated. So approximately seven
27:53
Speaker 1: hundred public servants out of the twenty two thousand or
27:57
Speaker 1: three percent of the public service did end up vaccinated.
28:01
Speaker 1: We also, on Monday had caught up with the Chamber
28:04
Speaker 1: of Commerce, we spoke to Hospitality, we'd spoken to the
28:08
Speaker 1: Master builders and tried to get a better gauge. I
28:11
Speaker 1: think of just how many of those stuff had been
28:15
Speaker 1: vaccinated and whether there was much pushback.
28:18
Speaker 2: And I know that there is certainly still pushback, there
28:20
Speaker 2: is no doubt about that.
28:21
Speaker 1: But I think that that it maybe didn't have as
28:25
Speaker 1: big an impact as what some were expecting come Monday,
28:29
Speaker 1: when everybody went to go to work.
28:31
Speaker 4: So in our agency, there's been no interruption to the
28:34
Speaker 4: services that we're delivering. There have been a small amount
28:36
Speaker 4: of people that have been given the notice as obviously
28:40
Speaker 4: legalities for whether it's private business or its public service
28:43
Speaker 4: that need to be stepped through in terms of that,
28:45
Speaker 4: but I think it's been very clear, and you know,
28:47
Speaker 4: I think whilst we can talk about the three percent,
28:49
Speaker 4: I think we should probably spend some time talking about
28:51
Speaker 4: the ninety seven percent because I challenged people in my
28:55
Speaker 4: electorate and you know, it'll be interesting to hear the
28:57
Speaker 4: feedback from these two today. But conversation with a guy
29:00
Speaker 4: and I said, you know, this isn't about me. I've
29:02
Speaker 4: got a three year old and a five year old
29:04
Speaker 4: grandson at home that can't be vaccinated. I've got other
29:07
Speaker 4: people in my community that can't be vaccinated. I got
29:10
Speaker 4: vaccinated for them. And that's that's what's really really important,
29:13
Speaker 4: because it's actually one of those things I remember when
29:15
Speaker 4: I was a kid, you know, I remember polio as
29:19
Speaker 4: an issue and people just literally rolled up got the jab.
29:23
Speaker 4: That's the way that the world is, and I know
29:26
Speaker 4: that certainly in my community, I got vaccinated for people
29:28
Speaker 4: that can't. And that's I think that's what we have
29:30
Speaker 4: to think about because when you know, we've seen the
29:33
Speaker 4: last week COVID arrive in the Northern Territory and those
29:38
Speaker 4: young people, my grandsons are not are not protected. So
29:41
Speaker 4: we have to take that spot and do that. And
29:43
Speaker 4: I just want to say to the ninety seven percent
29:46
Speaker 4: of public servants and I think it's over ninety five percent,
29:48
Speaker 4: and that number will come in. It will come slower
29:51
Speaker 4: and slow. We saw huge take up in the last
29:53
Speaker 4: few days in Catherine. When people really realize and it
29:56
Speaker 4: comes home, you know in the Psyche to Roost that
29:59
Speaker 4: this is this is not about us as individuals. This
30:01
Speaker 4: is about us as a community.
30:02
Speaker 1: And there are some great people doing well, not just
30:06
Speaker 1: the public service. You know, you've seen businesses around the territory.
30:10
Speaker 1: You've seen different industries around the territory really try to
30:14
Speaker 1: you know, they have sort of all gone out there
30:17
Speaker 1: the large majority and being vaccinated. I know there's still hesitancy.
30:22
Speaker 1: I know that there's still people who are worried. I've
30:24
Speaker 1: spoken to business people on this show about their concerns.
30:28
Speaker 1: I understand that and I understand that it is having
30:30
Speaker 1: an impact on some of those businesses as well. But
30:34
Speaker 1: the large majority, even when you look at the numbers,
30:37
Speaker 1: do seem to have gone and ended up going to
30:40
Speaker 1: get the back.
30:40
Speaker 3: Statty, yeah, I can cuve. It's not about you getting
30:43
Speaker 3: the back thin. Its about I've got a young family,
30:45
Speaker 3: I've got friends who can't get it. So it's about
30:47
Speaker 3: the wider community here. Could you remember if there's an
30:49
Speaker 3: outbreak and our intensive care unit is full, what happens
30:52
Speaker 3: if Cad and I are driving around the road and
30:54
Speaker 3: we have a car crash and one of us need
30:55
Speaker 3: to go to hospital and need intensive care. They're not
30:57
Speaker 3: going to take someone off and it tends yet to
30:58
Speaker 3: put us on, So it would just be put out
31:00
Speaker 3: and say, well we're full, so hopefully you live. So
31:02
Speaker 3: it's about the wider community. So in my advice is
31:05
Speaker 3: go and get the jab. I was talking to a
31:07
Speaker 3: chemist and he said, oh, people say to you, we
31:09
Speaker 3: don't know what's in the needle. Well, you don't know
31:10
Speaker 3: what's in most of medication you take. You you don't
31:13
Speaker 3: even know where to take your panantole, what's really in it?
31:15
Speaker 3: So he just said, these doctors, medical science has has
31:18
Speaker 3: progressed a lot. It's safe it's been proven. There's been
31:22
Speaker 3: what five million deaths across the world, So we really
31:25
Speaker 3: need to go and get the JAB.
31:26
Speaker 6: But it really needs to go.
31:27
Speaker 3: Back to the planning here. We've had a mandate, it's
31:29
Speaker 3: come and gone. We're not at the level where we
31:31
Speaker 3: need to be. So my question is to the government,
31:34
Speaker 3: what is the plan to progress the mandate, progress the
31:37
Speaker 3: vaccine rate.
31:38
Speaker 6: You can keep it moving forward, what is the plan?
31:40
Speaker 4: I think you can see yesterday the information I sought
31:43
Speaker 4: this morning around Robinson River is they're just about hit
31:45
Speaker 4: one hundred percent, if not if having hits on hundred percent.
31:48
Speaker 4: So I think you can see that when something like
31:51
Speaker 4: this happens, it does get people to come out. I
31:54
Speaker 4: think we just need to keep going with that messaging.
31:56
Speaker 4: I think, as I said before, as local leaders, we
31:58
Speaker 4: need to stand up and keep saying that people get
32:00
Speaker 4: Vaccinatum really pleased to hear you say that, Jared to
32:02
Speaker 4: this morning, and I will ask though you know, Katie
32:05
Speaker 4: and Jered you've both got younger kids and I've got
32:08
Speaker 4: I think, is it these days you can't even put
32:10
Speaker 4: your kids in childcare without the vaccination?
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Speaker 2: Well yes, so for.
32:14
Speaker 1: Yes, for normal, for your normal vaccines your children if
32:18
Speaker 1: you want to get the childcare rebate, or this was
32:20
Speaker 1: the case where mine was still at childcare, if you
32:23
Speaker 1: want to get the childcare rebait, or your children have
32:26
Speaker 1: to be fully vaccinated.
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Speaker 4: There's nothing, it's not.
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Speaker 1: But what I have wondered is, you know, with some
32:33
Speaker 1: people who are vaccine hesitant and this is or with
32:36
Speaker 1: some who are refusing to get the vaccine, And this
32:38
Speaker 1: is something I asked the Chief Minister about a few
32:40
Speaker 1: weeks ago. Obviously mandating it for businesses, mandating it for
32:44
Speaker 1: public servants, mandating it for everybody that is in those
32:47
Speaker 1: jobs where they're outward facing, but do we realistically, and
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Speaker 1: I know Matt Cunningham spoken to us about this as well,
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Speaker 1: does there need to be some kind of link with
32:54
Speaker 1: the vaccine mandate to you know, to your childcare rebate?
32:58
Speaker 1: And I know that that's a federal issue, or to
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Speaker 1: something else.
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Speaker 4: Clink, that's a federal issue. They could fall that later
33:03
Speaker 4: if they wanted to. But well, they're a bit on
33:05
Speaker 4: the fence by that, you know. That's that's sort of
33:08
Speaker 4: the disappointing thing. Federally, they've been a bit on the fence,
33:11
Speaker 4: I think, and that is a big leaver. They could
33:13
Speaker 4: pull if you want to if you want to receive
33:14
Speaker 4: center Link, you have to do that night.
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Speaker 2: Do you reckon that that would be a good thing?
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Speaker 4: Absolutely? I supported one hundred percent. But I also think
33:21
Speaker 4: the thing is is when we first started out with
33:23
Speaker 4: the vaccines, there was an awful lot of people to
33:24
Speaker 4: get the messaging across to. What's happened is over time,
33:27
Speaker 4: you know, we're now reducing to those people that are
33:31
Speaker 4: I think it's resistant now, not hesitant moving into that space,
33:34
Speaker 4: but it does. The numbers are now getting so small
33:37
Speaker 4: that we can start having that one on one and approaches,
33:41
Speaker 4: and so you do change how you do things. So
33:43
Speaker 4: I do know that you know, we've had public housing
33:45
Speaker 4: people going out with health professionals door to door because
33:49
Speaker 4: the numbers are coming down now that we actually can
33:51
Speaker 4: start doing that more targeted, you know, to the smaller groups.
33:55
Speaker 1: You know.
33:55
Speaker 4: So we were talking about multiculturals before last week I
33:59
Speaker 4: met with them cultural my advisory council. We identified that
34:03
Speaker 4: there's a couple of communities that we maybe need to
34:05
Speaker 4: do some more work with. Between here and other springs,
34:07
Speaker 4: we can now really do some really targeted almost one
34:10
Speaker 4: on ones with those communities to get them over So
34:13
Speaker 4: your strategies change over time according to your numbers. And
34:16
Speaker 4: I think now we're really getting to some numbers that
34:19
Speaker 4: are allowing what I know now we are getting to
34:21
Speaker 4: those numbers that allow us to do that. So, you know, Katie,
34:24
Speaker 4: I think the realistic thing is there are also going
34:26
Speaker 4: to be people out there that just will not get
34:28
Speaker 4: it no matter what we do, and so I think
34:31
Speaker 4: that's about the consequences of their decision. So, Jered, you
34:34
Speaker 4: made the point your child can't be able, can't be vaccinated.
34:37
Speaker 4: They go in you know, can't be vaccinated because they're
34:41
Speaker 4: too young or kada or whatever, that they really should
34:46
Speaker 4: get priority treatment over somebody that chooses not in a
34:49
Speaker 4: hospital system to do that. And they're the consequences. You
34:51
Speaker 4: won't be able to go to base in the glass
34:53
Speaker 4: next to you unless you're vaccinated, So the consequences are coming.
34:55
Speaker 6: And I think so just goes back to that planning.
34:57
Speaker 3: And you mentioned earlier that Robin's run one hundred percent,
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Speaker 3: but I say it's too late once there's an outbreak.
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Speaker 6: To go in there and start vaccinating Jared.
35:05
Speaker 3: But there now there one hundred percent of picking up
35:06
Speaker 3: on that about the other communities which are less than
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Speaker 3: thirty percent, what's the plan to get those people? And
35:11
Speaker 3: what's in the rural area to get that eighty percent too,
35:14
Speaker 3: so we can have the home quarantine.
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Speaker 6: What is the plan? That's my question I'm asking. I'm
35:17
Speaker 6: not getting your answers at all.
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Speaker 5: The other question I've got is, let's assume the community
35:21
Speaker 5: gets to We'll never get one hundred percent vaccinated. That's
35:24
Speaker 5: just a given. But what happens when we get to
35:26
Speaker 5: the say, in the nineties, is the mandate going to go?
35:29
Speaker 5: It was this mandate with us forever a good point
35:31
Speaker 5: I think.
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Speaker 3: I think Alex Bruce mentioned that he was asking that question.
35:35
Speaker 3: It can't be here forever. I think common sense there's
35:37
Speaker 3: not going to be forever. So what does the plan
35:39
Speaker 3: to get us to eighty or ninety percent? And then
35:40
Speaker 3: what's the plan after that? So that forward thinking, because.
35:45
Speaker 4: We also go and get our flu shot each year.
35:47
Speaker 4: I don't know about any of you, but I certainly
35:49
Speaker 4: get my flu shot each year, and I think that's
35:51
Speaker 4: where we'll move to. That's that will be as It is.
35:54
Speaker 1: One thing I do want to ask because it is
35:56
Speaker 1: something that we keep getting asked on the text line
35:58
Speaker 1: this morning and on other day case with some public servants,
36:03
Speaker 1: are they still being allowed to go to work but
36:06
Speaker 1: work from home? No?
36:07
Speaker 4: So the legalities are my understanding as I asked this
36:09
Speaker 4: question yesterday of my agency, and more broadly, is that
36:14
Speaker 4: last Friday, was that the end date. All of those
36:17
Speaker 4: people have been issued issues letters of an intention to terminate.
36:21
Speaker 4: You have to go through a legal process. So everybody's
36:23
Speaker 4: got a legal entitlement to whatever it is you get.
36:27
Speaker 4: But those people have been told the intention is to terminate.
36:29
Speaker 4: But there is I've or they've been told they're being terminated.
36:32
Speaker 5: I'm not intended in case where a particular person is
36:34
Speaker 5: a data analyst and they don't feed any of the
36:38
Speaker 5: criteria put into the Chose directive. I think it's number
36:40
Speaker 5: fifty one that you know, if you've come in touch
36:42
Speaker 5: with vulnerable people, you have come into touch with people generally,
36:45
Speaker 5: et cetera, et cetera. Now this person falls completely out
36:47
Speaker 5: of the directive of the Chose direction as to mandate vaccines.
36:52
Speaker 5: So why does that person have to get mandated vaccine
36:55
Speaker 5: when she clearly falls outside of the direction.
36:57
Speaker 6: And that's a public it.
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Speaker 5: No, she's a public servant and I'm trying to assist her.
37:03
Speaker 5: But so there are to be there are going to
37:05
Speaker 5: be exemptions, and there are going to be sort of
37:06
Speaker 5: special cases. So from what I'm reading, and I've read
37:10
Speaker 5: it and I've spoken to her, and I've spoken to
37:11
Speaker 5: other people, it's not going to be a full blanket
37:14
Speaker 5: across the public service because there are some people in
37:16
Speaker 5: some job somewhere like a dieta analysis analysis, who don't
37:21
Speaker 5: have anything to do with anyone and they're just in
37:24
Speaker 5: the back block somewhere. So that person can work from home,
37:26
Speaker 5: for example, and they probably could and should still stay
37:28
Speaker 5: on the books because according to the Chose Directive, they
37:31
Speaker 5: do not fall under that banner. So I'll just leave
37:35
Speaker 5: it there and I'll just taken up with the government later.
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Speaker 1: All right, we are going to take a very short break.
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Speaker 1: You are listening to Mix one O four point nine
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Speaker 1: three sixty.
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Speaker 2: It is the week that was.
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Speaker 1: It is just a couple of minutes away from ten o'clock,
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Speaker 1: just about it for us this morning on the Week
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Speaker 1: that was Kate Warden, Keesy Epuric and Jared Maylee. Now,
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Speaker 1: earlier in the week, we know that the police had
37:54
Speaker 1: an unbelievably busy week. There was particularly a night where
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Speaker 1: they are incredibly busy, called out to so many different incidents.
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Speaker 1: There was numerous terrible domestic violence incidents.
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Speaker 2: There was a person who was allegedly murdered in Malac.
38:14
Speaker 1: Now we have also had really a call out from
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Speaker 1: the Police Commissioner Jamie Chalker. It's a message to protesters
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Speaker 1: under what has been such a busy time, I think
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Speaker 1: for the police to take a listen to what he'd
38:27
Speaker 1: said earlier in the week.
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Speaker 7: My people cann't be distracted. So to any of you
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Speaker 7: who have been involved in protests, any of you who
38:35
Speaker 7: are involved in any action, please do not be a
38:38
Speaker 7: distraction of my people. You are going to place the
38:41
Speaker 7: lives of vulnerable territorians at risk.
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Speaker 6: Just take some time, be.
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Speaker 7: More community minded, hold your peace until we get out
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Speaker 7: of the mask mandate, until we get out of these lockdowns,
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Speaker 7: and then resume your activities lawfully. I can't be bothered
38:55
Speaker 7: dealing with your rubbish in the interim.
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Speaker 1: There is just too much at stake, and I've got
39:00
Speaker 1: so I think that the police have been incredibly busy.
39:03
Speaker 1: There is no doubt about that. We as have all
39:06
Speaker 1: our health authorities and everybody. But then when you add
39:09
Speaker 1: to that all the other issues that they're also dealing with,
39:12
Speaker 1: I think that it's fair enough for the Police commissioner
39:15
Speaker 1: to issue that, you know, to issue that that plea
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Speaker 1: really to protesters if they are planning on getting out
39:21
Speaker 1: on the weekend.
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Speaker 6: Look, I agree completely Cudding.
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Speaker 3: I completely agree that people have got a right to
39:25
Speaker 3: protest and support that, but they need to do it lawfully.
39:29
Speaker 3: But is now the time to do it? We were
39:30
Speaker 3: in a pandemic, there's no question about that. People are
39:33
Speaker 3: getting sick. The police are doing a great job out
39:36
Speaker 3: there in really tough conditions. It's hot, it's humored, it's raining,
39:40
Speaker 3: it's not raining. So I really feel for the police.
39:43
Speaker 3: And now it's not the time to protest, and I
39:45
Speaker 3: really agree.
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Speaker 6: I had to say.
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Speaker 5: I mean, we live in a free society.
39:50
Speaker 6: When it's the right time, and it's not not today.
39:52
Speaker 6: Right now, it's not the right time.
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Speaker 5: And look, if people want to protest, I agree with
39:55
Speaker 5: Jared and Kate. We know that you can protest in
39:57
Speaker 5: this country and that's that's a li tea that we
40:00
Speaker 5: enjoy and we hopefully will continue to enjoy. But do
40:03
Speaker 5: it in accordance with the rules of the community. You know,
40:06
Speaker 5: if the police say don't walk on the road, we
40:08
Speaker 5: don't walk on the bloody road. If I get a permit,
40:11
Speaker 5: and if you want to, if you want to protest
40:13
Speaker 5: outside Parliament House, it's not too hard to get a
40:15
Speaker 5: permit from the Speaker's office. As long as you do,
40:17
Speaker 5: it's just a piece of paper. You've got a sign
40:18
Speaker 5: that you're not going to trash the joint.
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Speaker 4: But as often a lady sitting outside Parliament House and
40:22
Speaker 4: she continues to progress from Jacob, then you know, we
40:25
Speaker 4: all go past and chatter and she's but she has permission,
40:29
Speaker 4: But good on her. She does it peacefully. She engages
40:31
Speaker 4: with you, but she doesn't scream at you and all
40:35
Speaker 4: of those other things. But I think, you know, we'll
40:38
Speaker 4: all agree it's been very difficult to go in and
40:40
Speaker 4: out of Parliament House and get on with our jobs
40:41
Speaker 4: on a daily basis over the last sort of month
40:44
Speaker 4: or so. But do it. I think we've all got
40:46
Speaker 4: the right to protest. I've been through to a few
40:48
Speaker 4: protests over the last ten years or so for different things,
40:51
Speaker 4: and I think it's pest called and it's a part
40:54
Speaker 4: of our freedom and do it in accordance with the law.
40:57
Speaker 4: Don't take up our police resources. These guys are doing
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Speaker 4: a fantastic job and they just need to be able
41:02
Speaker 4: to do their job unfettered. And it's exactly the same.
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Speaker 4: You know, if you've got people in your family at
41:07
Speaker 4: the moment and you know that they're committing crimes, you
41:09
Speaker 4: know therese people out there doing things wrong in your
41:11
Speaker 4: immediate sphere. If you're working with someone that's committing dovest
41:14
Speaker 4: at vioance, let's as a community stand up and stop it.
41:17
Speaker 4: Stand there and say no more of this rubbish and
41:20
Speaker 4: let's get on. We've got some bigger things on our
41:23
Speaker 4: agenda at the moment, and our community together needs to
41:25
Speaker 4: face them.
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Speaker 5: I've got a bright note. I've got a bright because
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Speaker 5: we're about would you like to tell us ca to meme.
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Speaker 5: In College has taken out the national Small Trainer of
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Speaker 5: the Year awards Territory not Northern Territory. They are nomination.
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Speaker 5: In College is on the national stage. And big congrats
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Speaker 5: to the laurels and heavily Rati the chairman, so hearly
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Speaker 5: the principle and all the students and the teachers and
41:51
Speaker 5: the farm and You've got a nice connection through to
41:53
Speaker 5: Sanders and Middle School because last year or.
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Speaker 4: Those training, it's making the work. No, they set up
42:02
Speaker 4: they helped set up the VET programs at Senderson because
42:06
Speaker 4: they're amazing trainers.
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Speaker 5: It goes to show that, you know, like not every
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Speaker 5: student is destined to go down the line of physics
42:13
Speaker 5: and chemistry and become a signers. So but VET is
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Speaker 5: so important. It really farm is just brilliant.
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Speaker 2: So well, I'm wonderful.
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Speaker 1: Congratulations to Tom min that's fantastic stuff.
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Speaker 2: That is a really nice note to end on.
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Speaker 1: Jared Mayley, the Deputy Opposition Leader, thanks so much for
42:28
Speaker 1: your time this morning.
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Speaker 6: Thank you, Katie, Thank you listeners, the.
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Speaker 5: Independent member for going to thank you Hello, Malan Lenne listening.
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Speaker 1: Thank Kate Warden, the Minister for Territory, Families and Urban Housing.
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Speaker 2: Thanks so much for your time today.
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Speaker 4: It was a pleasure to be one. Thank you.
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