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  Speaker 1: Tonight on Inside Story.
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  Speaker 2: So when did you start thinking about killing a.
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  Speaker 1: Can face to face with a monster.
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  Speaker 3: You should have sent me to a mental hospital.
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  Speaker 1: He tried to massacre his whole family.
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  Speaker 4: He shut all of us.
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  Speaker 5: Why then, in Perth, an obsessive husband love you lots,
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  Speaker 5: who stabbed his wife eighteen times.
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  Speaker 6: I can't help the image of her last moments passing
• 0:27
  Speaker 6: through my mind.
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  Speaker 5: Two unforgivable crimes with the same unforgettable sequel.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, he loaded my child.
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  Speaker 6: But I love him and I have compassion for him.
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  Speaker 5: Love and forgiveness. Hello, I'm Lailah McKinnon. Welcome to Inside Story.
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  Speaker 5: A mother shattered by the murder of her daughter, viciously
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  Speaker 5: stabbed to death. A father who lost his wife and son, devastated,
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  Speaker 5: and he discovers his other son masterminded the whole thing.
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  Speaker 5: You'd understand if these two people were bitter, if they
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  Speaker 5: raged and wanted revenge. But what if they showed extraordinary compassion,
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  Speaker 5: What if they were able to forgive the killers? Jana
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  Speaker 5: as a party's been investigating how they found that inner strength.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks Lailah.
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  Speaker 7: Yes, tonight we're going to meet two truly remarkable people.
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  Speaker 7: A mom who says she has love and compassion for
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  Speaker 7: the man who murdered her daughter, and a father who's
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  Speaker 7: been able to forgive his son for an unthinkable family tragedy.
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  Speaker 7: And when you see just how horrific and how premeditated
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  Speaker 7: these murders were, it beggars belief that they were able
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  Speaker 7: to forgive.
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  Speaker 2: Certainly they'll never forget.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, Jane As will see two remarkable people.
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  Speaker 7: A young woman loving her life as a first time mum,
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  Speaker 7: stabbed to death at home, killed the man she loved.
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  Speaker 7: He was a big talking salesman who sold her the dream.
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  Speaker 1: I can't wait to start a family together.
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  Speaker 7: But not long after they were married, he began to
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  Speaker 7: feel torn between life with his wife and the tug
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  Speaker 7: of his own family.
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  Speaker 8: Days moren and maman.
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  Speaker 7: A peacemaker. As the pressure from his family increased, his
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  Speaker 7: behavior changed.
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  Speaker 6: Well, he wasn't nice anymore. He he stopped, stopped the pretense,
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  Speaker 6: if you like.
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  Speaker 7: But no one could have predicted what was to come.
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  Speaker 7: Demitrios Sekiris spiraled out of control and ferociously murdered his wife, Karen.
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  Speaker 9: I just couldn't believe that she could do anything to
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  Speaker 9: anybody that would make them want a killer.
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  Speaker 7: It was a brutal, nasty crime, which makes it even
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  Speaker 7: more astonishing to hear Karine's mother say she has forgiven
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  Speaker 7: her son in law for murdering her daughter.
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  Speaker 6: I love him and I have compassion for him, and
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  Speaker 6: perhaps that is forgiveness. So, yes, he murdered my child,
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  Speaker 6: But on the other hand, he was a severely damaged
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  Speaker 6: child himself.
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  Speaker 7: That story to come, and later in the show you'll
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  Speaker 7: meet a father whose whole family was gunned down in
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  Speaker 7: their own home.
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  Speaker 4: One of my neighbors came running up and he knelt
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  Speaker 4: by me and said, oh, what happened.
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  Speaker 2: I said, They've.
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  Speaker 4: Shot all of us, and I don't know why.
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  Speaker 7: What makes this murder so extraordinary is the killer was
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  Speaker 7: Kent's son, his own flesh and blood.
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  Speaker 10: He said, you guys are either wrong or my son
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  Speaker 10: is a monster. As politely as I could tell him,
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  Speaker 10: I say, well, your son's a monster.
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  Speaker 4: Everybody believed that Bart was the mask that he presented.
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  Speaker 4: Nobody saw behind it.
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  Speaker 7: And later will take you inside at Texas prison to
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  Speaker 7: meet Bart Whittaker, the man who killed his mother and
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  Speaker 7: brother and attempted to murder his father.
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  Speaker 2: So when did you start thinking about killing your parents?
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  Speaker 3: You know, I don't actually know. I mean it was
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  Speaker 3: not just this Heuka moment.
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  Speaker 7: But first winter two thousand and five at Victoria's Dandenong's,
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  Speaker 7: where Karene and Demetrios Sekiris chose to marry you.
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  Speaker 5: I'm btle to share my life as my wife.
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  Speaker 7: But that life would be short lived. Karen was a bright,
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  Speaker 7: beautiful woman whose dream was to get married and raise
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  Speaker 7: a family. Dmitrios was an ambitious, charismatic salesman with strong
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  Speaker 7: family ties.
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  Speaker 2: Tonight you'll hear.
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  Speaker 7: How in two and a half short years that dream
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  Speaker 7: turned into a nightmare, and how this groom would viciously
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  Speaker 7: bash and murder the woman he promised to love. But
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  Speaker 7: nothing was amiss at the wedding.
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  Speaker 1: You absolutely absolutely mean the world today.
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  Speaker 7: I'm looking forward to spending all of my time with
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  Speaker 7: you and having babies and raising a family and seeing
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  Speaker 7: them grow up and us growl together.
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  Speaker 8: Or was it?
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  Speaker 7: In his speech Demitriov said he loved his wife and
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  Speaker 7: was very happy.
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  Speaker 5: Hello you, very very much, but the emotion and passion
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  Speaker 5: were reserved for his parents. The two most beautiful people
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  Speaker 5: in the world are on that table there, and they
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  Speaker 5: are just wonderful.
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  Speaker 7: The most beautiful people in the world world, not his bride,
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  Speaker 7: his parents.
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  Speaker 8: Long life and maybe.
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  Speaker 5: She love coming up on Inside Story Love you lost
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  Speaker 5: the warning signs that could have saved kren There was
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  Speaker 5: just something not quite right.
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  Speaker 7: In March two thousand and eight, Kreene, Securist, was savagely
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  Speaker 7: murdered by her husband with two and a half years Demitrios.
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  Speaker 7: Kreene was raised in Perth in the seventies and eighties.
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  Speaker 7: She was close to her siblings, had long lasting friendships
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  Speaker 7: and her boyfriends came and went.
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  Speaker 6: She was extremely capable, very creative, very intelligent and I
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  Speaker 6: reckon that might have been threatening to some people.
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  Speaker 8: Just a really good listener and very caring.
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  Speaker 7: Barbara Reid met Karene when Karene moved to Melbourne. The
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  Speaker 7: two became great friends, sharing a passion for shopping. So
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  Speaker 7: what kind of shopper was?
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  Speaker 9: She A bit of a bag and shopper, never paid
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  Speaker 9: full price for anything. One of the beautiful things about
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  Speaker 9: our friendship was she was my confidante when.
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  Speaker 2: You met her. What did she want to do with
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  Speaker 2: her life?
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  Speaker 9: She really really wanted a family. She wanted to be
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  Speaker 9: married and she wanted to have a family.
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  Speaker 7: And it seemed Demetrios Sekiris was looking for the same things.
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  Speaker 7: When he met Karine at a work Christmas party in
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  Speaker 7: two thousand and three.
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  Speaker 9: She was pretty well swept off her feet, like, you know,
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  Speaker 9: I met this guy, and you know, he really likes me,
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  Speaker 9: and it was all pretty full on.
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  Speaker 7: Within months, Karne took her new man to Perth to
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  Speaker 7: meet her family.
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  Speaker 6: Oh, I thought he was marvelous. Yes, yes, I thought
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  Speaker 6: he was very sore, thoughtful and consider it. And it
• 8:02
  Speaker 6: looked as if he loved her.
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  Speaker 7: But not everyone fell for Demitrios's charm. Barbara found his
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  Speaker 7: smooth talking ways a bit too well.
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  Speaker 8: Rehearsed, almost like he used car salesman.
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  Speaker 9: I suppose used your name twenty times in a sentence.
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  Speaker 9: You know, so what do you think, bab and oh Bob,
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  Speaker 9: you know what about that? And it was like he'd
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  Speaker 9: known you for twenty years but he just met you.
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  Speaker 11: Sometimes people use what we call superficial charm. So the
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  Speaker 11: charm's there, but we can see through the cracks. We
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  Speaker 11: can see that it's just on the surface.
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  Speaker 7: David Martin is a forensic psychologist at the University of
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  Speaker 7: Western Sydney.
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  Speaker 11: And probably part of our instinct says, this person's trying
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  Speaker 11: something on me. They're trying to manipulate me, and we
• 8:48
  Speaker 11: probably then sort of think, well, that's phony, and we
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  Speaker 11: feel uncomfortable.
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  Speaker 7: And there were some other things that worried Barb.
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  Speaker 9: He monopolized all her time with him and his family.
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  Speaker 9: Her friends became very much a thing on the ages.
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  Speaker 2: It sounds to me like you never trusted him.
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  Speaker 9: I just think that she had so much to offer.
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  Speaker 9: He certainly wasn't the right person for her to be with.
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  Speaker 2: There was.
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  Speaker 8: Just something not quite right.
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  Speaker 2: Have a great day everyone.
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  Speaker 7: Barbara's concerns were strong enough that she felt she had
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  Speaker 7: to discuss them with Karen.
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  Speaker 9: We questioned her on a number of different levels, whether
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  Speaker 9: she was doing the right thing, whether she was a
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  Speaker 9: little bit blinded by the charisma, She just seemed to
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  Speaker 9: be under his spell.
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  Speaker 7: The first time Karine's mum thought things may not have
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  Speaker 7: been as rosy as they appeared was when she went
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  Speaker 7: to Melbourne for the engagement party.
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  Speaker 6: The men stood around the keg and the women spent
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  Speaker 6: their time on their own, and I thought, this is
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  Speaker 6: so different to the way we are. How is Kaaren
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  Speaker 6: going to fit into that culture?
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  Speaker 7: The men drank to excess and the women were kept
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  Speaker 7: in their places.
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  Speaker 6: That's when I first got an inkling that what sort
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  Speaker 6: of background he came from, and I started to have
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  Speaker 6: some growth concerns.
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  Speaker 7: But Karen was chasing her storybook ending, and she seemed happy.
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  Speaker 2: The thirty one.
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  Speaker 7: Year old had waited a long time for her big day,
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  Speaker 7: and on the sixth of August two thousand and five,
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  Speaker 7: that day arrived.
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  Speaker 4: We would be loyal and honest and encomfort her for
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  Speaker 4: the rest of your life and now.
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  Speaker 6: Our husband and wife.
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  Speaker 7: The wedding was everything they'd hoped for, surrounded by people
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  Speaker 7: they loved who loved them.
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  Speaker 2: It couldn't have been better. I'm looking forward to going
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  Speaker 2: away and having babies.
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  Speaker 4: Together and living the.
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  Speaker 7: Korene could never have imagined. The rest of her life
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  Speaker 7: would be less than three years.
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  Speaker 11: So baby, let's go and travel the world, come back,
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  Speaker 11: have a family, and just keep on going.
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  Speaker 8: Love you lots, I'm going to.
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  Speaker 2: Make love tomort White.
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  Speaker 7: Straight after the wedding, Krene and Dimitrios went on a
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  Speaker 7: three month honeymoon, spending time with his family in Greece.
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  Speaker 9: And when she came back from her honeymoon, I've noticed
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  Speaker 9: a visible shift in her her as a person. I
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  Speaker 9: think she just started to feel more and more pressure
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  Speaker 9: from the from his family, wanting to be in their
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  Speaker 9: pocket all the time, and she wasn't liking that.
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  Speaker 7: In the Takira's household, Dmitrios was the shining star and
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  Speaker 7: there was pressure on him to always be available to
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  Speaker 7: his extended family.
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  Speaker 6: The relationship between them was one of dependent parents, but
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  Speaker 6: then also dependent children.
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  Speaker 11: In inmeshed families, no one is an individual. The family
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  Speaker 11: is the unit, the main unit, and they all work
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  Speaker 11: very well together. But if one decides or needs to leave,
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  Speaker 11: then the system comes together to pull that person back in.
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  Speaker 11: That's why it's en missed.
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  Speaker 7: Karen knew how tight knit the family were, but she
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  Speaker 7: and Dimitrios had openly discussed their future plans.
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  Speaker 9: The deal was that they'd get married, they'd live here,
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  Speaker 9: but once they started family they would return to Perth.
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  Speaker 9: There was never any secret about that. So when she
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  Speaker 9: got pregnant, that's where they went. They went straight back
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  Speaker 9: to Perth.
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  Speaker 7: Karene wanted to raise her family here in Perth where
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  Speaker 7: she grew up. All Dmitrios and his family were hell
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  Speaker 7: bare on a return to Melbourne.
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  Speaker 2: It became a huge problem.
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  Speaker 8: And he told me this himself.
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  Speaker 9: He said his family was struggling without him being here
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  Speaker 9: in Melbourne.
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  Speaker 8: His mother was distraught by it. He was putting pressure
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  Speaker 8: on Karan to come back to Melbourne and that was
• 13:17
  Speaker 8: never the.
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  Speaker 5: Deal, coming up the frenzied attack. But then this remarkable
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  Speaker 5: act of forgiveness.
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  Speaker 6: I love him and I have compassion for him.
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  Speaker 7: Karen and Demitrios were both anticipating a wonderful life together
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  Speaker 7: when they married in two thousand and five, but it
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  Speaker 7: wouldn't be long before this love story took a grave
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  Speaker 7: turn and became a living nightmare. Karen and Demitrios made
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  Speaker 7: no oh secret of their desire to start a family,
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  Speaker 7: and their precious daughter, Lara, was born just one year
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  Speaker 7: after they were married. While Demitrios was a doting father,
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  Speaker 7: he wasn't prepared to see so much of his wife's
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  Speaker 7: lave and attention lavished upon their adorable baby girl. Lara's
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  Speaker 7: birth was the beginning of the end.
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  Speaker 6: She asked me if I'd noticed any difference in Demitrios
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  Speaker 6: since she'd had Lara.
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  Speaker 3: I always think.
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  Speaker 6: What what would have happened if I had put my
• 14:40
  Speaker 6: arms around her and said, well, darling, you know, I've
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  Speaker 6: noticed that things are not too good. How about you
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  Speaker 6: and Lara come and stay with us for a while.
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  Speaker 9: I think he felt very jealous of her time being
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  Speaker 9: monopolized by Lara.
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  Speaker 8: He'd come home all the time.
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  Speaker 9: She felt very strangled, like almost like h checking up
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  Speaker 9: on her every day.
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  Speaker 11: Suddenly the man is no longer the potential center of
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  Speaker 11: his wife's life, fairly or very demanding, new presence comes
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  Speaker 11: in and takes away the limelight from the husband. Most
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  Speaker 11: husbands adapt to that, and obviously they love their children
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  Speaker 11: and they cope. But some can't and they become very resentful.
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  Speaker 7: In March two thousand and eight, just a couple of
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  Speaker 7: weeks before she was murdered, Karene Demetrios and their one
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  Speaker 7: year old daughter, Lara, had a ten day trip to Melbourne.
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  Speaker 7: While Karen wasn't thrilled to be staying with her in laws,
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  Speaker 7: she was hoping for some one on one time with
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  Speaker 7: her friend Barbara to discuss her husband's bizarre behavior.
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  Speaker 9: He kept saying things through that visit, like I don't
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  Speaker 9: know what I'd do without my girls. I'm saying, when, well,
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  Speaker 9: what do you mean you don't know what you'll do?
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  Speaker 9: Without your girls. Oh, I just don't know what I'd
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  Speaker 9: do without them, I said, Well, why would you be
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  Speaker 9: saying that, Like, what's going to happen to them? He
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  Speaker 9: seemed to be anxious or quite stressed at the very least.
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  Speaker 7: Barbara didn't understand Dimitrios's odd behavior, but she was much
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  Speaker 7: more concerned by how troubled her friend.
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  Speaker 9: Was, and she was clearly unhappy, very unhappy, and it
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  Speaker 9: was difficult to get time with her alone.
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  Speaker 8: He didn't want her.
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  Speaker 9: To take Lara, and she didn't want to leave Lara
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  Speaker 9: at his parents' house with them.
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  Speaker 2: Why not?
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  Speaker 9: She just didn't think that they were able to care
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  Speaker 9: for her. She felt threatened by them. She didn't want
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  Speaker 9: her to be left with people that were drinking and
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  Speaker 9: cigarette smoking and stuff like that.
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  Speaker 7: But Karen did leave her baby with Demitrios and his
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  Speaker 7: family and managed to discuss her predicament with Barbara whilst
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  Speaker 7: she was in Melbourne.
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  Speaker 9: She definitely wasn't giving in and coming back to Melbourne.
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  Speaker 9: She wanted to be in a purse and she was
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  Speaker 9: just really not in a good place with the whole relationship.
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  Speaker 7: When Barbara dropped Karen back to her in law's place,
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  Speaker 7: she clearly remembers saying goodbye in what was to be
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  Speaker 7: the last time she would ever see her friend alive.
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  Speaker 9: And I got out of the car and I hugged
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  Speaker 9: her and I said home. You know, I think you
• 17:15
  Speaker 9: need to fasten your seatbelt. I think you're in for
• 17:17
  Speaker 9: a fairly rough ride.
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  Speaker 7: Ten days later, Kreene was dead. Karen was murdered in
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  Speaker 7: a brutal and sustained attack at home in the upmarket
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  Speaker 7: suburb of Buragoon. Her husband took his time killing her. First,
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  Speaker 7: he hit her so hard it knocked out her forefront teeth,
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  Speaker 7: and then he stabbed her eighteen times. Their one year
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  Speaker 7: old daughter was at home when it happened. After the
• 17:52
  Speaker 7: horrific act, Demitrios phoned Karene's brother.
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  Speaker 6: So he called Lane and said, come and get Lara.
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  Speaker 6: I'd skit stay out.
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  Speaker 7: Lane found his brother in law outside with a knife
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  Speaker 7: in his hand covered in Karine's blood. He looked dazed
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  Speaker 7: and confused and said, I murdered your sister. Dimitrios lamely
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  Speaker 7: poked himself with the knife a couple of times. Lane
• 18:20
  Speaker 7: calmly suggested Dimitrios put on another shirt, so Dimitrios put
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  Speaker 7: down the knife and went inside to change. Lane picked
• 18:30
  Speaker 7: up the knife and called for help. When Dimitrios walked
• 18:35
  Speaker 7: back outside, he had baby Lara in his arms, like
• 18:40
  Speaker 7: everything was normal outside, Come on, it's all right. Ambulance
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  Speaker 7: and police were soon on the scene. Dimitrios was taken
• 18:50
  Speaker 7: to Fremantle Hospital before being transferred to the Franklin Center,
• 18:54
  Speaker 7: the maximum security psychiatric facility at Grayland's Hospital. Bar had
• 19:00
  Speaker 7: left a couple of messages for Karen to call her,
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  Speaker 7: so when she received a call from one of Karine's
• 19:06
  Speaker 7: Perth friends, she knew something must have happened.
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  Speaker 9: I said to her, I don't tell me that Demetrius
• 19:13
  Speaker 9: has committed suicide. And she said, no, it's worse. And
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  Speaker 9: I said, what she said, He's murdered her.
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  Speaker 8: I'm not just couldn't believe. He couldn't believe it. It was
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  Speaker 8: just shocking.
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  Speaker 6: I can't help the image of her last moments passing
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  Speaker 6: through my mind.
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  Speaker 7: During his trial, psychiatric reports were produced saying Demetrios had
• 19:44
  Speaker 7: been suffering a severe depressive illness at the time of
• 19:47
  Speaker 7: the murder, but had since fully recovered.
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  Speaker 2: Did he give any explanation as to why he did it.
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  Speaker 9: He says he went to bed at night and woke
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  Speaker 9: up beside her body or bloodied.
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  Speaker 8: He says he doesn't remember. What do you think of that?
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  Speaker 8: I don't believe him.
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  Speaker 7: June believes Demitrios's depression masked another condition.
• 20:11
  Speaker 6: I mean, people suffer depression and anxiety, but they don't
• 20:14
  Speaker 6: go out and have the capacity to Actually just having
• 20:18
  Speaker 6: the ability to put a knife into another body, to
• 20:23
  Speaker 6: most of us is just a borrent.
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  Speaker 11: The control issues, the personality issues, the family issues, the conflicts,
• 20:32
  Speaker 11: the tensions, they're the main motivators. The depression anxiety might
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  Speaker 11: have been maybe some fuel onto the fire. The fire
• 20:41
  Speaker 11: was elsewhere.
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  Speaker 2: Do you think Demetrios loved karinm No, not for a moment. Never.
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  Speaker 9: No.
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: I don't believe for a second.
• 20:53
  Speaker 6: That he knows what love is.
• 20:59
  Speaker 7: But incredible, almost unbelievably, not only does June claim to
• 21:04
  Speaker 7: have an understanding of her daughter's killer, but she also
• 21:07
  Speaker 7: forgives him.
• 21:09
  Speaker 6: I love him and I have compassion for him. What
• 21:13
  Speaker 6: he did is not only not okay, it's absolutely horrific
• 21:19
  Speaker 6: and almost unforgivable. But I have to forgive, if you like,
• 21:28
  Speaker 6: in order he doesn't control me. Because if I lived
• 21:31
  Speaker 6: with any ill feeling, any negative emotions involving him. He
• 21:37
  Speaker 6: would still be running my life and I'm determined that's.
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: Not going to happen.
• 21:42
  Speaker 7: Demetrios Sikiris was convicted of murder. He is serving a
• 21:46
  Speaker 7: life sentence with a non parole period of twelve years.
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: Still to come. On Inside story, A family gunned down.
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: He shot all of us. Why yeah, why?
• 22:01
  Speaker 5: A father forced to face the truth so well, your
• 22:04
  Speaker 5: son's a monster. The mastermind was his own son. Hospital
• 22:12
  Speaker 5: Kent Whittaker is a most unusual man. He was able
• 22:16
  Speaker 5: to forgive the gunman who shot his wife and son
• 22:19
  Speaker 5: before the killer was even named, but then came one
• 22:22
  Speaker 5: more devastating blow to really test his compassion. The murder
• 22:27
  Speaker 5: was a cold blooded plot and the mastermind was his
• 22:30
  Speaker 5: other son.
• 22:31
  Speaker 7: But Sugarland, Texas where families come to live the sweet life.
• 22:42
  Speaker 10: Just a typical nice community. In the past, Shirlean has
• 22:47
  Speaker 10: been recognized as one of the safest cities in America,
• 22:51
  Speaker 10: and it was.
• 22:52
  Speaker 7: Until December two thousand and three that.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: Kick right now is shot in the arm apparently the family.
• 23:02
  Speaker 7: When a cold blooded killer shot all four members of
• 23:06
  Speaker 7: this picture perfect family. Two were murdered, the other two
• 23:11
  Speaker 7: forced to face uncertain futures. This story begins in the
• 23:18
  Speaker 7: early seventies when Kent Whittaker met Trisha Bartlett on a
• 23:22
  Speaker 7: blind date.
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: I wasn't expecting it to be anything special, but she
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: was beautiful, and I was just so surprised that a
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: blind date would be this cute. We were married, I
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: think two and a half years when bart came along,
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: and well, we were just tickled about it. We were
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: very happy. And Kevin came along four years later, and
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: we were just very happy right go down the street.
• 23:48
  Speaker 7: As Bart Whittaker and his little brother Kevin got older,
• 23:52
  Speaker 7: the vast differences in their personalities became evident.
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: Whytt was always very intelligent and carry on an intelligent
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: conversation with anybody. Kevin was more fun, He was funnier.
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: Kevin was everybody's best friend. Bartt was just an average athlete.
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: Kevin was a gifted athlete.
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: Was it when you were a happy family, where did
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: the boys?
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: We're a very happy family. The four of us did
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: a lot of things together.
• 24:21
  Speaker 7: But bart was hiding a terrible secret. He was playing
• 24:25
  Speaker 7: a role, pretending to be a good son. Kent and
• 24:29
  Speaker 7: Trisha Whittaker had no idea of the darkness that lurked
• 24:33
  Speaker 7: behind the mask, Bart war, Do you feel like you
• 24:37
  Speaker 7: knew your son?
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: Yes, both of us felt like we knew our children
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: very well. Sometimes sometimes you're wrong, and.
• 24:49
  Speaker 7: This time they were terribly wrong. By the time he
• 24:52
  Speaker 7: was twenty one, Bart was a master of deception and
• 24:56
  Speaker 7: was leading a double life. Bart's parents believed he was
• 25:00
  Speaker 7: going to university, so they brought him a home inside
• 25:03
  Speaker 7: this gated community. It was meant to become Kent and
• 25:06
  Speaker 7: Trisha's holiday house when he graduated. Instead, this is where
• 25:11
  Speaker 7: Bart parted and did drugs with his roommate Chris broush
• 25:14
  Speaker 7: Here and their friend Stephen Champagne, and where over several
• 25:19
  Speaker 7: months they coldheartedly plotted and planned the vicious murders of
• 25:24
  Speaker 7: Bart's unsuspecting family, and that plan was about to be
• 25:35
  Speaker 7: played out December tenth, two thousand and three. Bart's unsuspecting
• 25:41
  Speaker 7: family thought it was a night of celebration for the Whittakers.
• 25:45
  Speaker 7: They believed Bart was about to graduate.
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: I mean, your child graduates from college. This is it's
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: a huge thing and we were really looking forward to it.
• 25:54
  Speaker 7: Bart's parents presented him with a Rolex watch. Happy snaps
• 25:59
  Speaker 7: were taken to mark the occasion. Afterwards, the Whittakers came
• 26:03
  Speaker 7: here to one of their favorite restaurants, Babidos.
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: Yes, this is where we came for the celebration dinner.
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: It wasn't really a celebration.
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: How was he acting at that dinner?
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: Bart has just been, you know, his usual self. Bart
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: was happy, and yet he knew what was going to
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: happen when he got home.
• 26:28
  Speaker 7: The Whittakers left the restaurant. Bart's friend Stephen Champagne, had
• 26:33
  Speaker 7: been watching and waiting. He phoned their accomplice, Chris Brashier,
• 26:38
  Speaker 7: who was in position. The five minute drive home was
• 26:43
  Speaker 7: filled with laughter.
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: Kevin had been driving, so he led the way to
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: the front door, and Bart ran down the driveway to
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: retrieve his cell phone from his car, which was parked
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: on the street. Kevin opened the door, walked in side,
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: and there was a loud noise. Tricia was right behind
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: him and said, oh no, and then there was another
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: loud noise.
• 27:15
  Speaker 7: Shot at point blank range. Nineteen year old Kevin was dead.
• 27:20
  Speaker 7: His fifty one year old mother, Tricia was dying on
• 27:24
  Speaker 7: the floor beside him.
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: The idea that there might be a gunman, an assassin
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: in my own house, that was just too bizarre to
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: I just never have crossed my mind. The next moment,
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: I was hit hard in the right chest and I
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: spun around and I fell back on the porch. My
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: first inclination was to call out to Bart to warrant him,
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: But before I could even say anything, I heard a
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: fourth shot from deeper inside the house.
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: He shot all of us.
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: Why you know why.
• 28:05
  Speaker 7: Kent had been hit in the right shoulder but in
• 28:09
  Speaker 7: a left arm. Both required emergency surgery. Tricia had been
• 28:13
  Speaker 7: airlifted to hospital but died on the way. This was
• 28:18
  Speaker 7: now a double homicide.
• 28:25
  Speaker 10: They told me that four people had been shot, that
• 28:27
  Speaker 10: a family had been shot.
• 28:29
  Speaker 7: Sugar and Homicide Detective Marshall Slot was on call that night.
• 28:34
  Speaker 10: The initial information I received was that a family had
• 28:36
  Speaker 10: gone out to dinner and they returned home and had
• 28:39
  Speaker 10: surprised a burglar in their home.
• 28:42
  Speaker 7: But the detective knew something wasn't right. This had been
• 28:46
  Speaker 7: staged to look like a robbery gone wrong.
• 28:49
  Speaker 10: Nothing was pulled out of the drawers. There was definitely
• 28:52
  Speaker 10: something unusual about it.
• 28:53
  Speaker 7: In hospital, still unaware his son was behind the murder plot,
• 28:57
  Speaker 7: Kent was consumed with thoughts of revenge.
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: You know, you're irrational. All I wanted to do was
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: to hurt them myself personally.
• 29:07
  Speaker 7: Kent cold on his faith.
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: I realized he was leading me down the path, wanting
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: me to forgive this nameless, faithless person in the ski
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: mask who'd murdered my wife, and I knew I couldn't
• 29:22
  Speaker 4: do it.
• 29:22
  Speaker 7: Praying for help, Kent says he experienced something even more bizarre.
• 29:27
  Speaker 4: Warm golden glow just flow over me for a couple
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: of seconds, and that and hisself scared me, but I
• 29:36
  Speaker 4: knew it was real, and once I got my senses back,
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: I looked at my heart and I realized that all
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: of that anger, all of that hatred, and the desire
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: to get even with this person, it had disappeared. And
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: in its place there was a total and complete, miraculous,
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: unexplainable forgiveness for everyone involved. And that's scared me too.
• 30:09
  Speaker 7: Kent had never experienced anything like this before and couldn't
• 30:13
  Speaker 7: wait to tell Bart, But the following day police also
• 30:17
  Speaker 7: wanted to talk to Bart to ask why he'd been
• 30:20
  Speaker 7: lying about his upcoming graduation.
• 30:23
  Speaker 10: Bart hadn't been at the university as a student for
• 30:26
  Speaker 10: several years. He had been suspended and put on academic
• 30:29
  Speaker 10: probation during his freshman year. We took that information to Kent,
• 30:33
  Speaker 10: and Kent seemed shocked, but one of the things that
• 30:35
  Speaker 10: he said was that he thought they had conquered that problem.
• 30:39
  Speaker 10: He explained to us that Bart had a problem with
• 30:41
  Speaker 10: lying and had been caught in several lives.
• 30:44
  Speaker 7: When detectives confronted Bart, he was unfazed.
• 30:48
  Speaker 10: He goes, yeah, I was wondering when you guys were
• 30:49
  Speaker 10: going to figure that out, and so it started making
• 30:52
  Speaker 10: us really question anything that he was saying.
• 30:55
  Speaker 7: The deeper they delved, the worst things looked for Bart Whittaker.
• 31:00
  Speaker 7: Going through their records, Sugarland detectives found they had received
• 31:04
  Speaker 7: a call from Texas State Police in two thousand and one,
• 31:08
  Speaker 7: two years before the shootings.
• 31:11
  Speaker 10: They received word that Bart Whitaker was driving down from
• 31:14
  Speaker 10: Wicco during the middle of the night to kill his parents.
• 31:18
  Speaker 7: Back then, when police went and warned the Whittakers, Kent
• 31:22
  Speaker 7: made some calls and told police it was all just
• 31:25
  Speaker 7: a silly misunderstanding. Years later, the prosecution would refer to
• 31:30
  Speaker 7: this event as the second attempt.
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: Next on death Row, confronting the monster, So.
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: When did you start thinking about killing him?
• 31:44
  Speaker 7: On December tenth, two thousand and three, Kevin, Trisha Kent,
• 31:48
  Speaker 7: and Bart Whittaker were all gunned down by a masked
• 31:52
  Speaker 7: shooter as they walked through the front door of their
• 31:55
  Speaker 7: family home.
• 32:05
  Speaker 4: So right here at the eleven twenty two, I put
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: in all of those trees. Now some of the shrubs
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: they've put in since I moved.
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: It looks like a beautiful family home.
• 32:16
  Speaker 4: Oh, it was great.
• 32:18
  Speaker 7: Initially, Kent had no idea his surviving son, Bart, was
• 32:22
  Speaker 7: involved in the murders. He and Bart moved back into
• 32:25
  Speaker 7: the house after being released from hospital, making police very uncomfortable.
• 32:31
  Speaker 7: What was it like for you living with him in
• 32:33
  Speaker 7: that house?
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: Immediately the police were telling me that I was in danger,
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: that they knew that Bart was responsible for this, and
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: I thought, how in the world could you possibly know
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: that this quick?
• 32:48
  Speaker 7: They knew because a former school friend of Bart's had
• 32:51
  Speaker 7: gone to police and told them about Bart's earlier plot
• 32:55
  Speaker 7: in two thousand and one to kill his parents, and
• 32:58
  Speaker 7: his story was really similar to the murders.
• 33:02
  Speaker 10: At the end of that conversation, but definitively pointed to
• 33:05
  Speaker 10: Bart Whittaker's having some hand in the planning and carrying
• 33:09
  Speaker 10: out of the shooting of his family.
• 33:12
  Speaker 7: In fact, Bart had organized two previous attempts to kill
• 33:16
  Speaker 7: his parents. Along with that knowledge, seven months of DNA testing,
• 33:21
  Speaker 7: surveillance and phone monitoring, detectives had enough information to warn Kent.
• 33:27
  Speaker 10: We knew at that time as definitively as we could
• 33:31
  Speaker 10: that Chris Burschuer was the shooter. Stephen Champagne's role was
• 33:35
  Speaker 10: still a little unclear, but Bart's role as the mastermind
• 33:40
  Speaker 10: of this case, of this shooting, of this homicide, the massacre.
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: Was very clear.
• 33:47
  Speaker 10: And so that was what gave us the confidence to
• 33:48
  Speaker 10: sit down in front of Kent and say, Kent, your
• 33:52
  Speaker 10: son is.
• 33:53
  Speaker 8: Responsible for this.
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: How did he take it?
• 33:55
  Speaker 10: He said, you guys are either wrong or my son
• 34:01
  Speaker 10: is a monster. As politely as I could tell him,
• 34:04
  Speaker 10: I said, well, your son's a monster. He's responsible for this.
• 34:07
  Speaker 10: All the evidence points to him.
• 34:09
  Speaker 7: The heat was on, so Bart took off. For three
• 34:13
  Speaker 7: thousand dollars, an acquaintance named Rudy Rios sold Bart his
• 34:17
  Speaker 7: identity and a room in the Rios family home in Serralvo, Mexico.
• 34:23
  Speaker 7: Bart lived there for fifteen months until a ten thousand
• 34:27
  Speaker 7: dollars reward was posted for his capture. The real Rudy
• 34:31
  Speaker 7: Rios then confessed to police and claimed the reward. Bart
• 34:36
  Speaker 7: was caught and Detective Marshall Slott had one burning question
• 34:40
  Speaker 7: for him.
• 34:41
  Speaker 10: I said, with the previous plots and this murder, how
• 34:46
  Speaker 10: did you get so many people to go along with
• 34:48
  Speaker 10: your scheme to kill your family? He simply looked at me.
• 34:53
  Speaker 10: She said, it was easy. That confirmed to me at
• 34:55
  Speaker 10: that point in time that Bart Whittaker viewed people as
• 34:58
  Speaker 10: tools and met would as a law enforcement professional understood
• 35:03
  Speaker 10: to be a sociopath.
• 35:04
  Speaker 7: Bart was brought back to Sugarland Police station and Kent
• 35:09
  Speaker 7: confronted his son.
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: The very first thing he said was Dad, I'm so sorry.
• 35:16
  Speaker 4: I'm going to do everything I can to make this
• 35:19
  Speaker 4: as quick and painless.
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: As possible for everybody. And I just lost it.
• 35:25
  Speaker 4: I just lost it because he was guilty, he was responsible.
• 35:30
  Speaker 4: There wasn't any there wasn't any room for any questions anymore.
• 35:36
  Speaker 7: But Kent wasn't about to withdraw his support for his son.
• 35:40
  Speaker 7: He stood by Bart throughout the trial, listening to sickening
• 35:44
  Speaker 7: details of how Bart and his friends Chris Brasher and
• 35:47
  Speaker 7: Stephen Champagne plotted to kill Kent Trisia and Kevin.
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: It's important to recognize that forgiving somebody it isn't justifying
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: that they did. It isn't saying I forgive you, so
• 36:03
  Speaker 4: it's all right.
• 36:05
  Speaker 7: In Zebra trials, Chris Brusheer was sentenced to life in
• 36:09
  Speaker 7: prison for the shootings, while Stephen Champagne gave evidence against
• 36:13
  Speaker 7: Bart and received fifteen years evidence that helped Bart get
• 36:18
  Speaker 7: convicted and given the death penalty. For the past seven years,
• 36:24
  Speaker 7: Bart Whittaker has lived here on death row.
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: So when did you start thinking about killing your parents?
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: You know, I don't actually know.
• 36:37
  Speaker 12: I mean, it was not just this Eureka moment where
• 36:40
  Speaker 12: it just kind of came up, and it was sort
• 36:45
  Speaker 12: of a way of thinking, this really awful thing in
• 36:48
  Speaker 12: my head, the worst thing that I could think of
• 36:50
  Speaker 12: as a way of kind of like venting, you know,
• 36:52
  Speaker 12: if that makes any sense. It wasn't real. It was
• 36:54
  Speaker 12: not a it's not a plan or applied at that point.
• 36:58
  Speaker 12: It was just sort of a way of, you know,
• 37:00
  Speaker 12: shaking my fist at them in my head.
• 37:03
  Speaker 7: That there would be people that think that way about
• 37:04
  Speaker 7: their parents, though, that we wouldn't make the jump to say.
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: I want to share one sure, yeah, so.
• 37:09
  Speaker 7: I meany there were three attempts that you made. You
• 37:12
  Speaker 7: must have waited serious.
• 37:14
  Speaker 12: I don't actually believe that any one of us, even
• 37:16
  Speaker 12: the last attempt, which was obviously very real, ever actually
• 37:18
  Speaker 12: thought Chris was gonna pull that trigger until he did it.
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: How did you convince these other two to go along
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: with your plan?
• 37:24
  Speaker 12: There was really no convincing required. I think that it's
• 37:27
  Speaker 12: easier for the public to believe that there's this one
• 37:30
  Speaker 12: really evil person that's capable of doing this, and to
• 37:33
  Speaker 12: believe that there was this whole cloud of individuals that
• 37:38
  Speaker 12: were perfectly capable with the ID, you know, comfortable with
• 37:40
  Speaker 12: the idea of murder.
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: Because these are randomly selected people.
• 37:44
  Speaker 12: And if you underste what I'm saying, it's easier for
• 37:48
  Speaker 12: them to believe in the monster working about in the
• 37:50
  Speaker 12: shadows than to think that every person around the campfire
• 37:53
  Speaker 12: is capable of this.
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: But it was your family, it was your ID.
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: Right, and i'd I never stated otherwise.
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: But you didn't manipulate them.
• 38:02
  Speaker 12: There's plenty of sorrow to go around on this, and
• 38:04
  Speaker 12: I extend a lot of that to my codefindits. You know,
• 38:06
  Speaker 12: they're in prison right now because of this situation. I
• 38:10
  Speaker 12: don't absolve them of, you know, complete responsibility of this,
• 38:13
  Speaker 12: but you know they wouldn't be here if it weren't
• 38:15
  Speaker 12: for me. We were all really, really miserable human beings,
• 38:18
  Speaker 12: and this was sort of our game of chicken.
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: We were playing with each other. How evil can we get?
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: You know? Do you know how that sounds though? Playing
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: a game of chicken about killing your family before?
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: Right? I get it, you know, I trust me, I
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: get it.
• 38:31
  Speaker 12: And there's so many things that a person in my
• 38:35
  Speaker 12: position can say here, but they all sound like excuses,
• 38:37
  Speaker 12: and I've never done that.
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: While not making excuses.
• 38:41
  Speaker 7: At the time of the murder, Bart was usually off
• 38:43
  Speaker 7: his head on alcohol and drugs, mostly ice, and since
• 38:48
  Speaker 7: being in prison, psychiatric tests have revealed he suffers from
• 38:52
  Speaker 7: Asperger's add and psychotic disorders, with paranoid, narcissistic, and anti
• 38:59
  Speaker 7: social feet.
• 39:00
  Speaker 12: Had I known that what was wrong with me was
• 39:03
  Speaker 12: not some sort of spiritual stain or you know, the
• 39:07
  Speaker 12: black mark on me that I couldn't see. Had I
• 39:10
  Speaker 12: known that this was a matter of biochemistry, it would
• 39:12
  Speaker 12: have framed everything differently. I would have been able to
• 39:16
  Speaker 12: look at myself and say, it's not you, it's your brain.
• 39:21
  Speaker 7: In court, it was claimed Bart wanted to kill his
• 39:24
  Speaker 7: family for insurance money. Bart maintains it was never about money.
• 39:29
  Speaker 7: In his troubled mind. He wanted revenge on his parents
• 39:33
  Speaker 7: for being alive, for being who he was, for not
• 39:36
  Speaker 7: being able to connect with anyone.
• 39:38
  Speaker 12: I didn't know how to relate to them. They did
• 39:40
  Speaker 12: not know how to relate to me, and they did
• 39:43
  Speaker 12: not even realize there.
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: Was a deficit in that.
• 39:45
  Speaker 12: That was sort of the problem. I guess that's really
• 39:48
  Speaker 12: the root of all of this is that I felt
• 39:51
  Speaker 12: like I was drowning in a very public pool and
• 39:53
  Speaker 12: nobody was noticing.
• 39:55
  Speaker 7: Certainly, Bart believes if his parents had given heed to
• 39:58
  Speaker 7: the warning signs of the second attempt in two thousand
• 40:01
  Speaker 7: and one, his mother and brother may still be alive.
• 40:06
  Speaker 12: I was like, you know, we had this thing with
• 40:08
  Speaker 12: the cop show up at the house and hey, you
• 40:10
  Speaker 12: know what, your someone's parting to kill you, and.
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: It just vanished.
• 40:13
  Speaker 12: You know, It's like, you guys can't even you should
• 40:16
  Speaker 12: have sent me to a mental hospital.
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: I should have, you know something, right.
• 40:19
  Speaker 7: But instead Bard is being warehoused in isolation on death
• 40:24
  Speaker 7: row until his appeals expire and the state is allowed
• 40:28
  Speaker 7: to execute him. Having just spent an hour with Bart
• 40:31
  Speaker 7: Or Thomas, as in our prefers to be known, I'm
• 40:34
  Speaker 7: finding it really hard to reconcile the man I just
• 40:37
  Speaker 7: met with the awful, terrible things that I know he's done.
• 40:41
  Speaker 7: He comes across as extremely intelligent and self aware, and
• 40:45
  Speaker 7: though both he and his father admit that he's a
• 40:48
  Speaker 7: very good liar, today I believed him.
• 40:51
  Speaker 10: I believe wholeheartedly that Bart Whittaker's are sociopath I don't
• 40:55
  Speaker 10: believe he's mentally ill where he needs medication. Bart Whittaker's
• 40:59
  Speaker 10: highlight intelligent.
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: Do you think I was taken in?
• 41:03
  Speaker 10: I believe you could have been taken in by Bart Whittaker.
• 41:05
  Speaker 10: He's charming, intelligent, engaging. My personal feeling is that he
• 41:13
  Speaker 10: gave you what you wanted to hear.
• 41:15
  Speaker 5: Coming up after all the horror, a new love and
• 41:20
  Speaker 5: a new life for Kent.
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  Speaker 4: Not only do I have a beautiful wife who loves me,
• 41:25
  Speaker 4: a new career, I have a new relationship with my son.
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: As his son awaits execution.
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: Good always comes out of you.
• 41:40
  Speaker 7: It's been more than ten years since Bart Whittaker masterminded
• 41:44
  Speaker 7: the plot to execute his family, killing his mother Tricia,
• 41:48
  Speaker 7: and brother Kevin. Meanwhile, his father Kent, has written a
• 41:54
  Speaker 7: book about his journey with Bart called Murder By Family
• 41:58
  Speaker 7: and Kent met and married Tanya.
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  Speaker 13: I remember thinking, Okay, do I really want to get
• 42:06
  Speaker 13: in to a relationship with someone who's going to have
• 42:09
  Speaker 13: an ongoing situation like this. It's going to affect everyone
• 42:13
  Speaker 13: around me as well. But we were in love, and
• 42:16
  Speaker 13: that's what you do.
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: You stay in it for that.
• 42:18
  Speaker 4: So I have fallen in love again. I am married,
• 42:23
  Speaker 4: and I have a brand new career. I'm able to
• 42:26
  Speaker 4: speak all over the country about forgiveness and about reconciliation
• 42:32
  Speaker 4: and about hope.
• 42:33
  Speaker 13: I think we ought to just focus on that and
• 42:36
  Speaker 13: talk about what it would look.
• 42:38
  Speaker 8: Like to reconcile with people.
• 42:40
  Speaker 13: We work together, we speak together, we do counseling with
• 42:45
  Speaker 13: other people who have forgiveness issues.
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: We love what we do.
• 42:49
  Speaker 8: We're getting to write a book.
• 42:51
  Speaker 13: We've been able to meet with people all over the
• 42:54
  Speaker 13: country who are really pursuing a life beyond bitterness.
• 42:58
  Speaker 7: Most Fridays, Hanya and Kent go and visit Bart. People
• 43:02
  Speaker 7: of questioned Tanya about why she goes to the prison.
• 43:07
  Speaker 13: I know a lot about Tricia from Kent. What I
• 43:11
  Speaker 13: know is that if Kent had died and Tricia were
• 43:15
  Speaker 13: still alive, she'd be at that prison every week visiting
• 43:19
  Speaker 13: her boy.
• 43:20
  Speaker 8: And that's something I can do.
• 43:22
  Speaker 13: I can do that out of honor and respect for
• 43:26
  Speaker 13: her and the wife and mother she was, out of
• 43:29
  Speaker 13: love for Kent, and also out of love for Bart.
• 43:33
  Speaker 13: I can't be his mom. I don't want to be
• 43:34
  Speaker 13: his mom. I'm his friend.
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: They wouldn't have met if it wasn't for you. How
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: do you feel about her?
• 43:40
  Speaker 12: I like her what She's had a girly good effect
• 43:42
  Speaker 12: on him too, So yeah, she's very genuine.
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: So could that possibly be something good that's come out
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: of this?
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: Good?
• 43:50
  Speaker 12: You know, that's whatever your religious beliefs.
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: Good always comes out of you.
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: Do you think about witty kid deserves to die for
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: what he did.
• 44:03
  Speaker 10: I believe that the death penalty that Bart Whittaker received
• 44:06
  Speaker 10: is appropriate.
• 44:08
  Speaker 7: This is where Bart Whittaker will be brought to draw
• 44:11
  Speaker 7: his final breath.
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: Behind these walls.
• 44:14
  Speaker 7: Is the Texas execution Chamber, and watching on behind the
• 44:18
  Speaker 7: glass will be Kent Whittaker, whose heart will be broken
• 44:22
  Speaker 7: by his older son all over again, but with forgiveness
• 44:27
  Speaker 7: in his heart and Tanya by his side. Kent Whittaker's
• 44:31
  Speaker 7: future is looking bright.
• 44:33
  Speaker 4: One blessing that I thought that I would never have
• 44:37
  Speaker 4: it was grandkids. And Kanye has three children, and both.
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: For girls have kids.
• 44:46
  Speaker 4: So not only do I have a beautiful wife who
• 44:50
  Speaker 4: loves me, a new career, a new relationship with my son,
• 44:55
  Speaker 4: I have grandchildren.
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: Life is good.
• 45:07
  Speaker 7: And in Perth it's been more than eight years since
• 45:10
  Speaker 7: Demitrios Zakiris coldheartedly killed his wife Karen. Karen's mom, June
• 45:19
  Speaker 7: Van Smarlin and her husband has become full time parents again,
• 45:23
  Speaker 7: raising Karen's daughter Lara.
• 45:26
  Speaker 6: Actually, what her mother did for her in those sixteen
• 45:29
  Speaker 6: months was pretty amazing. When she arrived, she knew about
• 45:34
  Speaker 6: fifty nursery rhymes, could count from one to seventeen. I
• 45:38
  Speaker 6: knew the entire alphabet at sixteen months.
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: What's she like now? She's an incredible person.
• 45:47
  Speaker 6: She's gifted, running on the literary sea side and the
• 45:50
  Speaker 6: art side.
• 45:52
  Speaker 8: She's beautiful.
• 45:54
  Speaker 7: Do you think if and when Demetrios gets out he
• 45:57
  Speaker 7: will want to have a relationship with Lara?
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: I wouldn't be surprised, Yeap.
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: How do you feel about that?
• 46:04
  Speaker 6: Well, hopefully that'll be up to Lara. When she's old enough,
• 46:09
  Speaker 6: she will have to make up her own mind. The
• 46:11
  Speaker 6: main thing is to understand her father, understand where he
• 46:14
  Speaker 6: comes from, reach the understanding that I've come to.
• 46:17
  Speaker 7: But Karen's friend Barbara sees things differently. She won't ever
• 46:22
  Speaker 7: forgive Dimitrios and believes he gave up all of his
• 46:25
  Speaker 7: rights the day he murdered Lara's mum.
• 46:28
  Speaker 8: Karen's not coming back.
• 46:31
  Speaker 9: Lara's got a dead mother and her whole life's been
• 46:35
  Speaker 9: compromised through his actions. I see her as Karen's daughter,
• 46:39
  Speaker 9: and I don't think he's worthy of the right to
• 46:42
  Speaker 9: her in any way anyway at all.
• 46:46
  Speaker 8: I don't think he deserves that