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The Guest Host Seris. Christina P. Kantzavelos interviews Claire Hogan. Healing at the Quantum Level: A Conversation with Theta Healer Clai · The Trauma Therapist

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Trauma divers podcast. My name is Gamiferson,
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  Speaker 1: and I interview incredible people who share the story of
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  Speaker 1: how trauma has shaped their lives. And a big thank
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  Speaker 2: Hello, Claire Morn and Christina.
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  Speaker 3: So happy to have you here.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you for having me.
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  Speaker 4: And yeah, you're one of my favorite colleagues in the
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  Speaker 4: field because of the powerful work you do that I've
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  Speaker 4: myself who had gotten to experience, and friends and family
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  Speaker 4: of mine and clients of mine.
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  Speaker 3: And although you're not a.
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  Speaker 4: Therapist per se, you do some very strong work alongside
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  Speaker 4: therapists that I feel like needs to be highlighted. And
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  Speaker 4: you know, for those lists, right, if you believe that
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  Speaker 4: we are mind, body, spirit and energetic, there's a piece
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  Speaker 4: that's sometimes hard to grasp for those of us, for
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  Speaker 4: those of us practitioners, and it is the spiritual energetic component.
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  Speaker 4: And this is a time where I would delegate to Claire,
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  Speaker 4: because this is outside of mine, outside of my lane,
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  Speaker 4: just as some of the medical stuff is. Right, that's
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  Speaker 4: when I refer out to a doctor like you are
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  Speaker 4: the person I refer out too.
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  Speaker 3: When it feels like it's.
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  Speaker 4: A little bit out of out of reach for me
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  Speaker 4: and someone may benefit from you. So as a theta healer,
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  Speaker 4: as a sound Reikie practitioner, can you kind of explain
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  Speaker 4: just briefly, like what those what those are? We'll get
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  Speaker 4: into it a little bit more later.
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  Speaker 5: Sure, Yeah, So briefly, the data healing meditation technique is
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  Speaker 5: about the client and the practitioner like tracking, witnessing, watching
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  Speaker 5: energetic dynamics together, So it's about the client identifying what something,
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  Speaker 5: what the story of something is, or what something it
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  Speaker 5: feels like.
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  Speaker 1: Or.
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  Speaker 5: What is playing out or repeating what pattern they're looking
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  Speaker 5: to shift, and then the practitioner tracking that in a
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  Speaker 5: really I use a lot of visuals in my work
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  Speaker 5: just because it's it's what it's like a language that
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  Speaker 5: I feel competent in speaking, and that's what I offer.
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  Speaker 5: And how we come to those visuals is a discussion
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  Speaker 5: of like what is your own personal mythology, what is
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  Speaker 5: your how do you structure your experience of I guess
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  Speaker 5: the universe?
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  Speaker 2: So it's initially.
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  Speaker 5: Very collaborative where I just ask a lot of where
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  Speaker 5: I try to get as much information about how you
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  Speaker 5: understand how you understand yourself to be here in kind
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  Speaker 5: of a it can it can, it can be a
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  Speaker 5: bit cosmic.
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  Speaker 2: But that's what I'm really curious about.
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  Speaker 5: And the sound reiki component is is really is really
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  Speaker 5: it's like another tool that I use to facilitate that
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  Speaker 5: that presence.
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  Speaker 2: With my with yeah, my clients, mm hmmmm hmmm.
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  Speaker 4: And even with the sound raped, it's very different from
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  Speaker 4: traditional reiki, right, there's a lot more communication, sort of
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  Speaker 4: banter back and forth. It's much more collaborative from my
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  Speaker 4: from my personal experience and in being on the other
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  Speaker 4: the other side receiving it. And I guess, you know again,
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  Speaker 4: we're gonna get We're going to get into this a
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  Speaker 4: bit more. But how did you find both of these
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  Speaker 4: tools and why did you decide to become a practitioner
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  Speaker 4: in them.
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  Speaker 5: I stumbled across both of these modalities at different at
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  Speaker 5: different times in my twenties when I was really looking
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  Speaker 5: for help. The sound Reikie component really came in when
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  Speaker 5: I was working, you know, I was in my early
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  Speaker 5: twenties and I was really overwhelmed by the interpersonal relationships
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  Speaker 5: that I was getting myself tangled up in, and the
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  Speaker 5: sound Reikie practice was able to bring a lot of
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  Speaker 5: gradual clarity to what I was bringing. That was like
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  Speaker 5: inviting and co creating things that were ultimately feeling really sticky,
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  Speaker 5: and also like repeating consistently. And yeah, the data healing
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  Speaker 5: meditation technique came in when I was looking to understand
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  Speaker 5: more about I was looking to understand I'd been diagnosed
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  Speaker 5: with endometrio and I wanted to understand more about my
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  Speaker 5: physical embodiment, and I sort of then I was on
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  Speaker 5: a journey to like understand my own story of what.
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  Speaker 2: Does it mean to be in this body?
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  Speaker 5: And the THETA practitioner that I found was really skilled
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  Speaker 5: at so the stories that our bodies carry and bringing
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  Speaker 5: presents to those, and so I find myself. I found
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  Speaker 5: myself just wanting to you know, there are certain things
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  Speaker 5: that happened in your life where you're like, well, that
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  Speaker 5: was such.
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  Speaker 2: A unique experience.
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  Speaker 5: I can either pretend it never happened, or I can
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  Speaker 5: learn everything I can about it.
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  Speaker 2: And that was like the route that I took just
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  Speaker 2: because it was so.
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  Speaker 5: It was so inexplicably impactful that I just wanted to
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  Speaker 5: be able to understand why, Like why why were these
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  Speaker 5: why were these tools able to like change my day
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  Speaker 5: to day experience of my life so much.
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  Speaker 2: So that's why.
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  Speaker 3: And yeah it's beautiful.
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  Speaker 4: You're like I and you had you had such relief
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  Speaker 4: right from both experiences, like both with your the medical stuff,
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  Speaker 4: and I know the first one we'd said was like
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  Speaker 4: before to me like work related, right, and m hmm,
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  Speaker 4: pretty traumatic.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I had had a collaboration, a work collaboration fall apart,
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  Speaker 5: and I was really broken hearted and also really really
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  Speaker 5: stuck in moving forward.
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  Speaker 2: And just after one sownreaky.
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  Speaker 5: Session, I just was like, oh, I feel very different
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  Speaker 5: about like I I I feel very very differently now.
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  Speaker 5: And similarly, yeah, I still like I still ended up,
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  Speaker 5: you know, I am. I still I still did get
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  Speaker 5: surgery for the end of metriosis. But in the like
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  Speaker 5: years leading up to that surgery, where I was on
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  Speaker 5: a long wait list, I had tools for being able
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  Speaker 5: to dialogue with my body on a really like I mean,
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  Speaker 5: it's your own bodies here, like of course it's an
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  Speaker 5: intimate level, but this was like, uh, this was like
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  Speaker 5: another layer of really being able to feel into this
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  Speaker 5: to the stories, the stories and like the messages that
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  Speaker 5: were coming through this particular I guess I mean it's
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  Speaker 5: this particularly reproductive disease in my case.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, your body and our bodies keep the score right, Yes,
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  Speaker 4: it's in this lifetime or previous previous ones like generational
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  Speaker 4: so forth.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, what I'm hearing is what a lot.
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  Speaker 4: Of us echo after working with you, which is feeling
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  Speaker 4: like lighter, feeling relieve, feeling like we have a different
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  Speaker 4: relationship with our with our story than we did before
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  Speaker 4: we saw before we saw you, like you were able
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  Speaker 4: to just bring us into a different perspective on how
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  Speaker 4: on how to relate to it, how to let go
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  Speaker 4: of what is no longer serving us, to create space
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  Speaker 4: for what is every single time.
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  Speaker 3: And it's amazing that you have.
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  Speaker 4: You know, you you understand trauma and you understand the
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  Speaker 4: sematics and you get to bring bring that in. Do
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  Speaker 4: you want would you like to just mention anything about
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  Speaker 4: that about being trauma and somatic informed.
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  Speaker 5: I think my sessions are really really collaborative, right, So
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  Speaker 5: I am like deeply curious about how you experience the
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  Speaker 5: world and how you make sense of it and how
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  Speaker 5: you understand how what your story is about either an
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  Speaker 5: unconditionally loving universe or like a maybe you have like
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  Speaker 5: a benevolent but hands off kind of universe, or maybe
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  Speaker 5: you have a very active relationship with with an understanding
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  Speaker 5: of God, and just anywhere on that on that spectrum
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  Speaker 5: of possibility is kind of what I get. Really, I
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  Speaker 5: get really curious to understand where you are with these
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  Speaker 5: stories that I think can be really I'm gonna say unconscious,
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  Speaker 5: but I just mean that, like they're just like background.
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  Speaker 5: But they're just just like like just like software, just
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  Speaker 5: like your computer, you're running background programs that like very
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  Speaker 5: much affect how you experience your day to day life.
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  Speaker 5: So we find out, like we dig into how you understand.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, generally we're working in yeah like what you would, Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: we're working you know, we're working in places that hurt.
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  Speaker 5: We're working in places where there's like suffering, where there's
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  Speaker 5: like or discomfort or struggle. So we're finding out more
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  Speaker 5: about the story of how you are making meaning and.
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  Speaker 2: Sense out of that.
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  Speaker 5: And then the somatic level is like is like where
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  Speaker 5: I generally am trying to track with you how things
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  Speaker 5: are landing in in the body, and I offer.
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  Speaker 2: I offer different I have different stories.
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  Speaker 5: Of like I know, it's stories and semantics, but it's
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  Speaker 5: they're they're connected.
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  Speaker 2: So like like the heart, the heart is a.
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  Speaker 5: Story, right the heart. Feeling something in my heart is
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  Speaker 5: a story. But it is also like a very is
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  Speaker 5: a very physical it's my chest and it's where I.
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  Speaker 2: Breathe, you know, or like or you may be like
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  Speaker 2: you breathe into your stomach.
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  Speaker 5: But like the point is is like the heart is
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  Speaker 5: a story of the of of the organ that loves.
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  Speaker 5: So if if that that's the intersection of things where.
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  Speaker 2: Where it's somatic.
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  Speaker 5: And it's and it's felt in the body, and it
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  Speaker 5: inevitably also carries narrative. And and that's what I am.
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  Speaker 2: Like trying to get into a very.
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  Speaker 5: I guess a close dialogue with and and again, and
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  Speaker 5: that's where the sound raki comes in, which I I
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  Speaker 5: don't know how much time I have to explain how
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  Speaker 5: how exactly toning comes into It's like how I use
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  Speaker 5: toning in these sessions.
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  Speaker 2: But uh, yeah, that's does that answer your question?
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  Speaker 3: Yes?
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  Speaker 4: Yes, I mean also like just again having the experience
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  Speaker 4: with you like you you meet whoever you work with
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  Speaker 4: exactly where they are, you are constantly asking for consent.
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  Speaker 3: You create a very safe and courageous space.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, I like, yeah, that to me is that trauma
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  Speaker 4: informed piece. I just want to I just want to
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  Speaker 4: piggyback off what you said and mention those things. So
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  Speaker 4: they're very They're very important too, because you know, we
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  Speaker 4: are going into the depths of things that may be uncomfortable,
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  Speaker 4: right and super and super challenging, that you are able
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  Speaker 4: to hold our hands and we go in there like
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  Speaker 4: slowly but courageously, and again you are you are pacing
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  Speaker 4: and you are.
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  Speaker 3: Constantly checking in to make sure like are you good?
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  Speaker 3: Are we okay?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 5: You know, there's there's an element of readership to my
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  Speaker 5: like to my sessions, but that I think I think
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  Speaker 5: people think that someone is just going to like I
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  Speaker 5: I it's not.
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  Speaker 2: It's not.
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  Speaker 5: It's not tremendously big picture or like chaotic. I am like,
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  Speaker 5: do I have your permission to to to look at
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  Speaker 5: this with you?
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  Speaker 3: Yes?
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  Speaker 2: Like every time, for everything.
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  Speaker 6: Everything, everything, and I am always you're still very very
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  Speaker 6: it's very important that you hear that, you hear that yes.
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  Speaker 5: I actually have lots of clients who say, oh, you
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  Speaker 5: have my apps. You don't even have to ask, you
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  Speaker 5: have my total permission, and I'm like, well, I can't
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  Speaker 5: do it without I can't do it without your express consent,
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  Speaker 5: like I get like nothing, I can't. I can't sit
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  Speaker 5: here and work on you without you working with me.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, a thing will happen.
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  Speaker 5: It's about like, it's about you putting your focus and
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  Speaker 5: your attention onto the thing that that has shown up.
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  Speaker 5: And that's what makes it different than sort of receiving
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  Speaker 5: a reiki session where the reggie practitioners like I was
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  Speaker 5: called to work on your feet and so we've spent
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  Speaker 5: some time on your grounding. This is much more I
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  Speaker 5: don't know.
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  Speaker 3: It's not passive.
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  Speaker 4: It's to me, is a bit more what I've received
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  Speaker 4: other forms of reikie. It's much more I'm going to
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  Speaker 4: lay back and yes, I give you my consent and
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  Speaker 4: you just go to town and you tell me afterwards
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  Speaker 4: all the things.
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  Speaker 3: You found and witnessed and yeah, experienced.
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  Speaker 4: And in this case, it's like it's very very very
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  Speaker 4: active and collaborative in that in that way, Yeah, it's
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  Speaker 4: so because you're needing to hear also our our input
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  Speaker 4: and how we're relating to our stories and what you're
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  Speaker 4: going across. And I think one of the you know,
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  Speaker 4: for the therapists who are who are listening, like okay,
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  Speaker 4: like I'm trying to.
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  Speaker 3: Understand how this works or what's happening.
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  Speaker 4: Like I'm hearing how we relate to stories and how
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  Speaker 4: we change perspective.
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  Speaker 3: But what I want to say is like the power
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  Speaker 3: of how you transmute and transform limiting belief patterns. I
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  Speaker 3: think that's where to me, the magic the magic is.
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  Speaker 3: It's it's the stories that we dive in to find
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  Speaker 3: out where and why those limiting beliefs exist and how
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  Speaker 3: to shift them. And I don't know if you want
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  Speaker 3: to say something about.
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  Speaker 5: That, sure, I I really do love belief work and
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  Speaker 5: sort of changing that like soft that background software that
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  Speaker 5: we're running.
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  Speaker 2: I it's so personal to what like.
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  Speaker 5: My individual clients believe about the universe and believe about
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  Speaker 5: their about you know, the why the why am why am?
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  Speaker 5: Why am I here?
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  Speaker 3: You know?
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  Speaker 5: I think that like you know, if you have a
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  Speaker 5: belief that you're you're here to learn lessons and work
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  Speaker 5: out karma, uh, then we can kind of really get
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  Speaker 5: into like you know, it just gives us so many tools,
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  Speaker 5: but it's collaborative, like and if those are not things
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  Speaker 5: that you believe, then we find another way into understanding
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  Speaker 5: and working with your experience of what's happening.
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  Speaker 4: Well, Like, for example, like right and unworthiness is like
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  Speaker 4: a big one. Yeah, like someone's in a rut.
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  Speaker 3: They've been in therapy for a long time, but there's
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  Speaker 3: there's still they don't understand where this pattern of unworthiness
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  Speaker 3: is coming from. Just just as an example, right, like
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  Speaker 3: that is something you could work on.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's like And what I think is so I
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  Speaker 5: don't know in endearing about humans is like we have
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  Speaker 5: we have really like universal shared experiences.
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  Speaker 2: So a lot of like the limiting beliefs that I'll
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  Speaker 2: work with are ones that I've like.
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  Speaker 5: I'll be like, oh, yeah, this one, we almost all
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  Speaker 5: that we almost all struggle with this one.
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  Speaker 2: But the sort of solution.
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  Speaker 5: I mean that's not a great framing, but like the
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  Speaker 5: offer that I will be making is going to be
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  Speaker 5: totally unique to that client based on how they understand
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  Speaker 5: how they understand their story in like the bigger picture perspective.
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  Speaker 5: And I sort of feel like I am like working
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  Speaker 5: as a translator, you know, I feel like I'm sort
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  Speaker 5: of intuiting.
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  Speaker 2: A direction that I I I feel like I've like.
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  Speaker 5: By the time like belief work kind of comes in
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  Speaker 5: at the this this work kind of comes at the
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  Speaker 5: end of the session where I'm like, my intuition and
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  Speaker 5: the work we've done feels like you are trying to
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  Speaker 5: move in this direction.
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  Speaker 2: So the interpretation that I can offer you, the interpretive.
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  Speaker 5: Translation of what I think is in alignment for you,
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  Speaker 5: and then it'll be like a highly specific it'll just
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  Speaker 5: be like, like I guess I'm trying to think of
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  Speaker 5: like someone some are gonna have a worthiness limiting belief
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  Speaker 5: and the answer for them might be about that it's
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  Speaker 5: that it that it's safe, that it's safe to tend
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  Speaker 5: to their inner children right like that. It's like for
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  Speaker 5: them that might be like it's safe for me to
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  Speaker 5: play uh, And that could be their particular.
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  Speaker 2: Way that we unlock into what that story of unworthiness is.
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  Speaker 2: And for someone else.
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  Speaker 5: It could be it could be, you know, completely different direction.
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  Speaker 5: It can be like I know how to trust myself.
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  Speaker 5: I know how to move through the world trusting my discernment.
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  Speaker 3: Mm hmmm. So we all need to hear.
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  Speaker 4: Everyone you know deserves to trust to trust them.
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  Speaker 2: M yeah.
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  Speaker 5: And how we get there is like it's I don't know,
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  Speaker 5: I'm like I feel like I'm like that's like by
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  Speaker 5: the time we've got there, like the session is usually
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  Speaker 5: wrapping up, but the journey to kind of explore what
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  Speaker 5: that story is and what that particular.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, the universal face of advice, I.
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  Speaker 5: Guess, but that's finally tailored and specific to who you
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  Speaker 5: are in your journey.
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  Speaker 2: Like that's kind of the oh, that's we're all that's
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  Speaker 2: that's like, how do I describe that? Christian I'm gonna
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  Speaker 2: go off of the weeds talking about my practice, but.
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  Speaker 3: It's really about the The journey is the repatterning because
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  Speaker 3: once we understand via stories, especially from your perspective, of
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  Speaker 3: why this pattern happened in the first place, we begin
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  Speaker 3: to relate to it in a different way. There's more
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  Speaker 3: compassion and there's more love. There's more understanding that that
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  Speaker 3: comes that comes to it, and with that love and
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  Speaker 3: with that compassion, you know, it shifts, it changes like Wenot,
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  Speaker 3: you know, we cannot shame ourselves into change. We can
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  Speaker 3: let ourselves into change. We can't shame ourselves into change.
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  Speaker 3: So when we wonder why we're stuck in a rut,
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  Speaker 3: there's often this this subconscious patterning that you know you
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  Speaker 3: were talking about ninety five percent of everything we do
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  Speaker 3: is subconscious at this point, so like the unconscious forget
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  Speaker 3: about it, Like it's it's just really interesting to safely
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  Speaker 3: and courageously go there in with you and and see
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  Speaker 3: it up close and go, wow, that's why. And yeah,
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  Speaker 3: just so much love and compassion for your younger self
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  Speaker 3: or for your family members or whoever comes up in
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  Speaker 3: the story. It really shifts, transforms I like with through you,
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  Speaker 3: you know, I can speak on a personal level. It's
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: like I was able to understand you know, past relationships
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: and why they you know, the way they they played
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: out in the you know, in the way that they
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: did that I was, you know, traumatized by when I
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: understood though the real origin story and how I related
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: to it, Like it transformed me, Like right.
• 20:25
  Speaker 5: It really changes how Like It's like often we'll start
• 20:29
  Speaker 5: with an interpersonal dynamic, like a relationship, something that feels
• 20:32
  Speaker 5: like stuck or repeating, and by the end of it,
• 20:34
  Speaker 5: we're looking at like things that you believe about yourself
• 20:37
  Speaker 5: or about about about the you know, or about like
• 20:41
  Speaker 5: what is my work in the world. Oh, it's to
• 20:43
  Speaker 5: be endlessly of service to those that I love, like
• 20:45
  Speaker 5: and it's like it is is that isn't you know?
• 20:48
  Speaker 5: And when we can like oh, we just say it's
• 20:51
  Speaker 5: almost like we're like fine duning. You know, a lot
• 20:54
  Speaker 5: of the most of are beliefs like I mean, they
• 20:58
  Speaker 5: serve us, right, they serve us or not they serve
• 21:01
  Speaker 5: it like we don't do anything erroneously, Like we don't
• 21:04
  Speaker 5: do anything by accident, you know, like they they at
• 21:08
  Speaker 5: some point they serve us, even if it's just like
• 21:10
  Speaker 5: because it creates belonging within our like family of origin.
• 21:14
  Speaker 5: And then we just like are fine tuning things and
• 21:16
  Speaker 5: a lot of the a lot of the starting places,
• 21:19
  Speaker 5: like I mean, I guess it's like the it's like
• 21:21
  Speaker 5: the symptoms are the I mean it's not great.
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: Is that is that the metaphor? I mean it works.
• 21:26
  Speaker 5: It's like the symptoms are just the surface level stuff.
• 21:28
  Speaker 5: It's like the pattern and the relationship. But the deeper
• 21:30
  Speaker 5: thing is like the real.
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: Manifesting on the surface, right, what's what's crop, what's cropping up?
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: And then we just follow the roots all the way
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: down to like literally the start start of the sea.
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: Like yes, it's it's such Yeah, it's such a wild ride.
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: Every time I have a session with you, and the
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: way I feel afterwards, it's just, oh, I feel so validated.
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: I think these are like the words that like validated, heard, believed.
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: Ah, I'm so I'm so glad. I'm always so like
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: touched to hear that.
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: And I've had people say Saint Claire is like five
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: years of therapy like in one in one go, because
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: they're able to get to things that much quite right,
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: that much quicker is they're work. They're working on a
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: level that your typical therapist is not, you know, equipped
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: to work on. That's the truth. It's it's very different.
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you. I think.
• 22:34
  Speaker 5: I think that you know, I never know what's going
• 22:36
  Speaker 5: to happen in a session before we start. I think
• 22:40
  Speaker 5: there's I think that my practice is like my own
• 22:44
  Speaker 5: spiritual practice and is to be open and present to
• 22:51
  Speaker 5: what is and to allow to make room for what
• 22:56
  Speaker 5: is emergent. And I know that might just sound like
• 22:59
  Speaker 5: a like a buzzy word, but I really do mean
• 23:02
  Speaker 5: like what is emerging in the session. And then I
• 23:04
  Speaker 5: think that I think that where I am doing, like, wow,
• 23:09
  Speaker 5: I'm doing a lot that's different than therapy. But I
• 23:12
  Speaker 5: think that my capacity to just sort of make these.
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: Like narrative offers.
• 23:18
  Speaker 5: I think that's why it feels like skipping ahead in
• 23:20
  Speaker 5: therapy because I I, my practice isn't to wait. I
• 23:26
  Speaker 5: don't need to wait for you to figure it out.
• 23:28
  Speaker 5: I'm like, wait, could it be this? And I just
• 23:30
  Speaker 5: make I make so many suggestions, but we're building them together.
• 23:36
  Speaker 5: I don't know, uh, you know whereas I feel like
• 23:39
  Speaker 5: my my super skilled and fantastic therapists in my life,
• 23:42
  Speaker 5: they generally need to they need to they need to
• 23:44
  Speaker 5: guide me. I need to get there on my you know,
• 23:46
  Speaker 5: I need to get there on my own. And that
• 23:48
  Speaker 5: can take that can take me me longer. And this
• 23:51
  Speaker 5: feels like it does sometimes feel like we are like
• 23:56
  Speaker 5: leap leap frogging along.
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: And I do mean that in the way that like
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: I can only like leap.
• 24:01
  Speaker 5: Rog if if my client is also like if we're building,
• 24:07
  Speaker 5: if building, sharing, collaborating, I.
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: Guess yeah, you're you're you're co you're co regulating with them,
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: and that's happening and it's so amazing, like when someone
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: sees you and then comes and sees me and they're like,
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: this is what came up. Now can we further you know,
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: process this? Like I want I'd like to work more
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: more on this honest thing that came up and understand
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: it from this different level, Like there's a there's an
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: integration that can happen through the leap from being as you.
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: Understanding it.
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: And it's like that's I think, and that's really why
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: you have so many therapists psychologists who are referring ow
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: to you, because that that does that does occur. I
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: mean you're able to guide folks to an altered state
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: of consciousness.
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: I mean that's where you're You're.
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: Extrapulating a lot of a lot of this and it's
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: I I I consider you're work almost similar like I'm
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: just going to say it in the most respectful way
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: to like psychedelic assisted therapy work. It's like without any psychedelics,
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: everyone's sober year. But in terms of like the you know,
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: lifting up the veil so to speak, and then accessing
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: these parts of the of the psyche that again you
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: may not.
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: Be able to do in traditional therapy.
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: That's right.
• 25:24
  Speaker 5: Yeah, the theta healing, I mean it's called that because
• 25:27
  Speaker 5: of the idea that like the theta, the theta brainwave
• 25:30
  Speaker 5: state is the day dreaming brainwave state, the like sort
• 25:34
  Speaker 5: of the the following a sleep day dreaming. You're not hallucinating,
• 25:38
  Speaker 5: but you are allowing your mind to like open and
• 25:44
  Speaker 5: uh kind of reveal. It's this it's this feeling of like, uh.
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: My, I could again. Uh, we don't have all that
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: time to get into it. But yes, it's like access.
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: You're able to access things as you may not otherwise
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: in the alpha whatever whatever. We're in the alpha down
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: waking stage.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 26:08
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and we're working with images what I'm offering images
• 26:11
  Speaker 5: and you know, images or feelings or colors or like,
• 26:14
  Speaker 5: we're working with the world of in the world of story.
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: And that is just.
• 26:22
  Speaker 5: I mean that it's super I am super passionate about
• 26:25
  Speaker 5: the the power of stories.
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Again, I'm trying not to like, yeah.
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: You you are amazing at what you do. You're so professional,
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: you're so on point.
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: It's just like anyone who gets to work with you
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: usually usually again echoes when I you know, these words
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: and this experience.
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: Thank you so much. That's so that's really sweet to hear.
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: That's going to compliment you until you can't speak.
• 27:01
  Speaker 5: I mean, I want to and I want to say that,
• 27:03
  Speaker 5: you know, I think some people have experiences of me
• 27:06
  Speaker 5: where where they feel like I'm where they feel like
• 27:07
  Speaker 5: I'm psychic, and where they feel like I'm I'm speaking
• 27:10
  Speaker 5: to you know, I'm speaking to parts of them that
• 27:13
  Speaker 5: are like they that that are present in the field,
• 27:17
  Speaker 5: but maybe but they're like, oh my gosh, how did that?
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: How did that get here?
• 27:21
  Speaker 5: And I make a lot, I make a lot of
• 27:23
  Speaker 5: offers and the things that I like to emphasize that
• 27:25
  Speaker 5: no one, no one ever has to share anything with
• 27:28
  Speaker 5: me that like they are not that they're not ready
• 27:30
  Speaker 5: to go into like I'm not I'm not here to
• 27:33
  Speaker 5: be like we're opening Pendor's box, whether you like it
• 27:35
  Speaker 5: or not. You know, it's it's more just about uh oh,
• 27:41
  Speaker 5: it's it's just about oh.
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's like, I don't know how to describe it.
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: I think you're very in touch with a person's nervous system,
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: like I said earlier, and just where they are, and
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: you're constantly in communication about.
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: How how far you're going and where you're going.
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: And I get that's that, that's that trauma informed nervous system,
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: informed somatic informed piece that you you bring in that
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: literally allows for me to feel safe, you know, to
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: send to send folks your way and for those because yeah,
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: for those who don't, who don't know where to find you,
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: can you.
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: Can you let them know?
• 28:25
  Speaker 5: Yeah, my business is called Clarity Time because my name
• 28:28
  Speaker 5: is Claire and uh it is my aspiration to be,
• 28:34
  Speaker 5: you know, providing clarity to whatever, the sort of.
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: Whatever, the sort.
• 28:41
  Speaker 5: Of situation, sticky feeling anything. Yeah. Yeah, so Clarity Time,
• 28:50
  Speaker 5: claritytime dot com is my website and I'm still building
• 28:56
  Speaker 5: my social media presence. But at Clarity Time is that
• 29:02
  Speaker 5: clarity dat Time swear you can find me on the internet, on.
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: The interwebs, So we'll make sure to link that in
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: the in the notes and hopefully soon we'll be doing
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: a workshop together.
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: Yes, energetic energetic hygiene, which I think is so important.
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: And powerful, like you know, what tools can we take
• 29:22
  Speaker 4: from these modalities you know, to utilize between sessions, Yeah,
• 29:27
  Speaker 4: to just help support. And I guess my last question too,
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: is is there anything you would like for those listening
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: or watching to part with today, like one one thing
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: you'd like for them to take away from this some
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: some words of wisdom, love, support.
• 29:45
  Speaker 5: Hmmm, oh gosh, well, I guess I believe in an
• 29:53
  Speaker 5: unconditionally loving universe and and I feel like I feel
• 30:01
  Speaker 5: like being able to experience the ways in which I
• 30:05
  Speaker 5: feel supported by that. I don't know, divine providence or
• 30:11
  Speaker 5: consciousness or whatever however you want to frame it, like
• 30:16
  Speaker 5: and the paying, the paying attention, the paying attention and
• 30:19
  Speaker 5: the noticing of that. I feel like, just like even
• 30:23
  Speaker 5: just dropping in the idea of like.
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: Of being, of being seen and.
• 30:31
  Speaker 5: Held and loved in in all things by all that is.
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: Is kind of That's how I structure my reality. And it's.
• 30:45
  Speaker 5: While my belief system is like not the it doesn't
• 30:48
  Speaker 5: have to be my it doesn't have to be my
• 30:49
  Speaker 5: clients like I do.
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: I Uh, what am I trying to say? I'm just
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: the start this. I just am sharing.
• 30:56
  Speaker 5: I'm just sharing a thing about myself and I hope
• 30:59
  Speaker 5: that it I hope that it was a people and
• 31:01
  Speaker 5: it's OK if it doesn't, I guess.
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: Perfect, perfect, perfect. Thank you, Thank you for that.
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: For everyone who's listening or watching and has kept your
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: your mind open to this, your curiosity. You know you've
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: led with curiosity through this. Thank you so much, And
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: definitely check out Claire's website and social.
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: Media and reach out to her if you feel like
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: she'd be a good fit for for you or someone
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: you know or work with.
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you so much, Christina
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: Thak care bye for now.