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I miss my wife. I miss her voice, I miss her
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heart. I miss her presence.
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Forgive. Me for not.
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Appreciating her father. I need your help.
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Aloha, Good afternoon. Welcome to the Men Helping Men
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radio talk show here, joined again by our executive producer,
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Mr. Brandon Ortiz and Pastor Doug Chong.
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Christ Built Ministries, the founder of Men Helping Men and
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author and songwriter of all the amazing music that we get to
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listen to here on the station. Doug, let's talk today about
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going back to the very basics. Go back to the beginning.
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Why? What is our purpose here, Doug?
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What? What are we created for, Doug?
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Kev, going back to Adam and Eve, why did God create Adam, husband
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and wife? Like you heard that song?
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Why do we have children? Children in our own image, Half
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of me, half of my wife, very, very special.
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So God created us in his own image or created Adam in his own
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image in the beginning to have a daily intimate relationship with
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him in the Garden of Eden. Now when sin came into play that
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separated God and Adam and Eve. Because God is holy he cannot
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have pride, rebelliousness around him.
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So 2 choices A He could have sent them with Satan and his
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demons to hell or he could have redeemed them.
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He chose to send his son down here to die for our sins.
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Adam and Eve sin and our sins. So to do what?
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To reestablish his intimate daily relationship with Adam and
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Eve, which he had already, but for us is to establish a
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relationship with us so we can get to know Him.
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He can get to know us, and that is grace.
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The grace is unmerited favorites, giving us what we
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don't deserve, giving us an opportunity to get to know God
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the Father. Now, without Jesus dying, there
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is no gateway, there's no bridge to get to know God the Father.
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So going to church for 20 plus years is confusing.
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Faith is by grace through faith, not by works.
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What do I do? How do I know if I'm obeying
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God's commands from the heart because of faith or because I
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don't want to go to hell? I don't know.
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We follow the speed limits here. We follow the law because we
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don't want to go to jail. We don't want to get ticketed.
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It's not because we love the law or we love the lawmakers.
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It's we're taught to obey or else.
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And that's not how we apply God's word to our lives.
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That's why Jesus said people came up to him.
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Matthew 721 through 23. I prophesied in your name.
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I went to church, I did church functions.
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I had the Angel tree thing. I handed all presents to the
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prisoners children. Jesus says I never knew you away
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from you, evildoer, meaning I didn't have an intimate daily
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relationship with you. See if the covenant, Covenant is
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agreement. Testament means covenant, which
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means agreement. The agreement is I'm sitting on
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death row, let's say death by crucifixion.
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Jesus comes to me and says, you want me to take your place?
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I'm going to say yeah, of course.
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What's the catch? The catch is you got to take my
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place. Jesus, this is the covenant.
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This is the agreement. I take your place on the cross
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and die for you. You deny yourself and take up
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your cross daily and fall on my father, building an intimate
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relationship with him because that's what I did.
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Jesus says every day throughout the day, I need you to do the
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same thing. He's never going to tell you to
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do anything to hurt yourself or hurt anybody else.
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He's going to heal the hurt in your heart and replace it with
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His unconditional love so you can be a better husband to your
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wife, a better father to your children, a better person.
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Be the person that God the Father created you to be.
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Yeah, Amen, Doug and Doug, talk to us about how do we do that.
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I know that because a lot of, you know, Christians out there
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have some kind of a Mystic idea about how they can build this
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relationship with God. But talk to us about the
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practicality of how we build our relationship at Christ Built
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Ministries here. There's a very, very fundamental
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way of doing that. Yeah, remember, God judges the
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heart. So what should come out of our
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heart is Lovejoy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness,
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faithness, gentleness, self-control, not division,
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anger, rage, unforgiveness, keeping records of wrongs,
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punishment. That's what's usually in our
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hearts when we get hurt. Can we cope?
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There's no way I can get rid of it without God.
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So when I get hurt, I just take. No, I used to just take note of
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it. One day, you know, I'm going to
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get my revenge list. Like the Kung Fu movies back in
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the day. They always are looking for
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revenge. And those are my favorite shows.
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But you know what? My heart had to harden.
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It got harder and harder. So it didn't hurt me as much.
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I acted like I didn't care and I made myself not care.
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So you don't care for the things you're supposed to care for.
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You don't care when your, your, your child is hurting and
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they're they're scared. You tell them tough up, come on,
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be a man or come on, stop crying or I'll give you something to
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cry about. Instead of being sympathetic and
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empathetic towards them, showing them love, meeting them there,
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helping them through it, teaching them how to connect to
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God. So those are the problems that
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we have when we try to cope without coming to the Lord.
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Exactly, Doug. And, you know, we can't just
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come once a week or once once a month or, you know, we often
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talk to Doug about, you know, learning a new language.
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You know what that process looks like.
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You can't just think that you're going to learn something new by
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just doing it once a week again, once a month.
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There's a you have to apply yourself.
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And that's the thing about learning about the heart of God
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and learning about what it takes to become Christ built in
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building that relationship so that we can actually start to
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begin to love each other way. God intended us to love each
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other and to forgive each other and to take those hurts out of
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our heart, become all that He has designed us to be, as it
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were. Correct, Doug.
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Yeah, correct gifts. So it's just like you don't have
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to be a mathematician. Let's say you spend 2 hours a
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day, every day reading God's word, opening up your heart,
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praying for the Holy Spirit to teach you and to help you to
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know his character. Remember his, his Bible is his
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autobiography. A biography is something that
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somebody wrote about you. An autobiography is what you
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wrote about yourself. So that's God's testimony, so to
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speak. So the Holy Spirit is helping
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you understand while you sacrifice your time and read and
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listen for the Lord to explain what he loves, what he hates,
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how he feels when Israel turned their back on him.
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Brandon does reads once twice a week, 2 hours at each time.
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So Sundays and Wednesdays like going to church and maybe a
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Bible study at the end of the year.
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Who would be closer to God? Who would be transformed, you or
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Brandon? Common sense, right?
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Doug just got to show up and, and, and again, I use that, that
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keyword Doug sacrifice, sacrificing.
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What is it that we have to sacrifice Doug in order to build
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that daily intimate relationship with God?
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And the same thing we would have to sacrifice if we had type 2
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diabetes. It's the way we eat, our eating
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habits, exercising, same thing we would have to sacrifice if we
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wanted to learn a different language, our time.
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Now, if English is my first language, which it is, if I
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wanted to learn Taiwanese or Mandarin, I asked AI what if I
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practice twice a week for two hours a session, Sundays and
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Wednesdays, and I don't use the language the rest of the week?
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How long will it take me to learn the language?
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She said. With a tonal language like
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Taiwanese or Mandarin, you'll never learn the language.
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You have to do it every single day and it's the sacrifice.
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Even if I was a multi billionaire like Bezos, What if
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I give you 2 billion? Can you teach me the language?
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No, it's the sacrifice. That's why it's not by works.
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You cannot earn it. It's by the sacrifice of our
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time, of our heart, of our will. Yeah.
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Exactly, Doug. And there's a practical way also
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about how we're to read God's Word and apply that to our life,
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of course, strategically knowing, again, talking about
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the autobiography of God, his learning, his character,
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learning what he loves, what he hates.
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And that only comes with spending time with him on a
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daily basis, learning how to do a practicality of how to
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interpret God's Word exegetically, hermeneutically,
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and then how to how to apply that to our lives on a daily
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basis. And when we do that, we begin to
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see the love of God for us through his examples of the Old
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Testament. You know, if you follow these
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commands and you follow the what, what you're supposed to do
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is it's not that it works again, Doug.
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It's out of building that relationship that once we
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understand that and we know that those they're there for a
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reason, because it's his love for us.
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Correct, Doug. Correct.
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Correct, Kev. So it's like it's like being an
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architect, OK, I want you to build this building here.
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And you look at the complexity of the building.
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You're saying, OK, how would I ever build that building?
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But it's spending time with the architect who happens to be your
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dad. Let's say your dad is looking
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for an ulterior motive to spend time with you.
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So as you spend time with him, he teaches you the engineering
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background of how to build this building, how to write
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blueprints. So little by little you start to
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understand who your dad is and how to build that building.
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That's God the Father. My, my heart is hurt.
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Our heart is deceitful above all things and beyond cure.
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Who can understand that? Jeremiah 17, nine Mark 721
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through 23. There's a list that Jesus goes
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over with how evil our heart is, how hurt our heart is.
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So as we spend time with God the Father and we try now to obey
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his commands, but we'll fall short, giving thanks in all
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circumstances, considering a pure joint.
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When we face trials of many kinds, when we have problems,
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the nature in us, the sinful nature, we get upset.
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We don't want to be uncomfortable.
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We don't want to have to face problems.
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We already have enough problems in our own mind, right?
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But the difference is we get to do it with God, learning how to
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do it with Him. Jesus has come to me, all you
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who are weary and burden, and I will give you rest.
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Take my elk upon you. My yoke is light.
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Come to me. Exactly.
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And so, Doug, you know that analogy you gave of an architect
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building a building, one of the most important things of a
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building is the foundation. You know, for example, if you're
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building a skyscraper, you know, I worked with construction
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workers back in Seattle that built these big tall buildings.
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You know, the fact is, is that they, the foundation, they have
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to build that building as twice as deep in the ground before
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they can erect it to go high. And so, and when we come to God,
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we got to get our foundation built first on the Word of God,
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but it's got to go deep into our hearts done correct.
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Correct. And what the word of God does
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first is it'll he'll allow the problems in our lives.
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And when we get bumped, we know God says to love your enemy, to
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forgive. But you know what will come up
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in us? That voice and saying, you going
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to let that person talk to you like that?
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You're going to let them get away with that, do something
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about it, hurt them, give them lickings, you know, and that
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voice is the enemy. So God is saying lift it up to
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me, don't be anxious about anything, but in everything by
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prayer and petition, with Thanksgiving, present your
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request to God and the peace of God, which transcends all
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understanding will guard your heart and your mind in Christ
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Jesus. And he says now lift it up to
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me, your challenge. Now change the channel.
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Whatever is pure, whatever is noble, whatever is admirable,
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focus on dwelling all the blessings you have.
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Dwell on the good you have in your life.
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Don't dwell on the bad. Once you lift it up to me, look
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at the good and move on. Don't keep replaying the
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negative and replaying the negative and replaying the
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negative. So the evidence of a Christ
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built intimate relationship with God is we're able.
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We're able. We are able and capable of
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applying His word to our lives. If we don't have a relationship,
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we can't do it. Right, Going back to your, the
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song that we played here, Doug, you know, loving our spouses,
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loving our partners, loving our husband, wife and that
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relationship, You know, we can't do that unless we have our life
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centered around that love of God filling us up every day.
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That is the example of, you know, the word says to love your
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wife as Christ, to love the church.
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How can we do that when we've got all that poison, all that
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history and all that, all those voices in us?
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We can only do that when we actually have and understand
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that daily intermittent relationship that comes by
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knowing God and His love for us. See, and that's the key,
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remembering, going back to the basics, going back to the
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original reason for creation. God didn't create Adam and Eve,
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so he could be Adam and Eve could work for him.
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He has legions of angels to do that if he wants, and they
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worship him too, and they're divine beings.
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He created Adam and Eve to have an intimate relationship with
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them, helping them through the good times, helping them through
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the bad times, the hard times. It's not like our parents where
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you, they teach us to be independent.
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No, it's, it's almost like a husband and a wife being
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dependent, interdependent on each other, becoming one flesh.
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But we're God is closer to us than a husband and a wife.
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Although we're one flesh and my wife isn't with me physically,
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we're connected through God, but the Holy Spirit.
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When we walk through that gate, Kev, the Holy Spirit is in us.
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He's with us all the time. Right, Doug?
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And would you say, Doug, that could you say that you become,
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as it were, codependent on God, as it were, because all of our
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love comes from Him, and without that love coming from Him, we're
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not capable of loving anybody's? Definitely, definitely.
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See, Satan wants to turn that into a bad word, a bad phrase.
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But it's not. That's when you you get it.
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Or God got it. Right.
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Exactly, Doug. Perfect.
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Yeah. And so again, that song just
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reflects, you know, there's a lot of listeners out there that
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are married, of course. And how you how you going to
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love your wife the way she really needs to be loved.
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And, you know, if he won't, we don't have that love of God in
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our heart. That's virtual, virtual
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impossible task to do that. And so that's what we do here at
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Christ built as we go to the root of all that sin, nature and
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us that separated us from God in that relationship at the
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beginning, God starts putting us back together piece by piece by
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piece. Yes, and through that daily
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intimate relationship with God kept, you'd start to understand
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how much God loves us, why he sets these boundaries or rules,
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so to speak. It's not to hurt us, it's to
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help us, to help us stay set apart, stay holy.
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Not just love the lovable, but be able to love the unlovable.
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Because hurt people can hurt people from the hurt in my
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heart. And this isn't an excuse, this
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is just recognition from the past hurt in my heart.
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That voice reminds me of the pain, steals the little joy that
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I mustered up for the day. And guess what happens when I
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get home and things aren't going the way it's supposed to grow.
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The negativity overflows to the people that I love the most.
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So now that's spending time with God the Father every day He
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heals that hurt, He turns that wound into a scar.
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So now it's a testimony. And when Satan reminds me of the
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past doesn't hurt anymore, it becomes a stepping stone.
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So he cannot work from the inside out anymore.
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Yeah, exactly. And that's what we do.
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We learn how to love and not cope.
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We don't just go through this life with our old formulas, our
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own way of doing things. We come to the Father.
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We say, Father, help us. Please help us to love our
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friend, our neighbors, lover. You know, our wives help us to
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love. And so thank you for joining us
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here again this afternoon on the Men Helping Men radio show.
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It's a blessing to say we're here with Doug and Brandon this
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afternoon and share our love for God.
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Take a listen to the song as we come back in from the top of the
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hour here. Aloha.
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as beloved sons. Welcome back to Men Helping Men.
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Thank you for joining us here this Wednesday afternoon here
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and tuning into the Men Helping Men radio talk show.
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And I got to tell you what, Doug, that song we just listened
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to, man, it speaks so, so true to my own personal experience
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about being in church for 23 years of my life.
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And why wasn't Jesus changing my heart?
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Because you know what? I wasn't being fed.
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I wasn't being taught. I wasn't being shown as an
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example of how to do that. I was just show up like every
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like Wednesday and Sunday and do the same thing, repeat all the
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time, go and nothing. I mean, surface things maybe
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would have changed out of discipline, but my heart, my
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heart never, never changed, You know, not to be proud again.
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I went to two divorces in church by the way, and because of the
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fact that I didn't understand of what it takes to really be a
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Christian and let God change my heart in that.
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And that is why I after running away from God for 15 years of my
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life, running the opposite direction as fast and as hard as
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I could. It wasn't until I met you,
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Pastor Doug Chong started showing me how God can change my
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heart and heal and develop a relationship with Him daily.
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Yeah, Kevin. And you know, I, I learned the
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hard way. There's two ways of learning
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through wisdom, learning from other people's consequence.
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Like you read God's word, you learn from them falling short
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and you pull out the lessons. Or you can learn through
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consequence, which is the, the hardest of the heart.
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Everybody jumps across the the ravine.
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They all don't make it. And I think I can make it.
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I don't make it. So to to be transparent with
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everyone, it's it's because of the hardship that I went through
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my wife leaving me and me loving her and wanting to change, just
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not knowing how to do how to make that change.
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So I was one of them. Why isn't Jesus changing my
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heart? Because of prison and and not
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knowing anybody who could teach me.
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Because I was a Catholic growing up.
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I I believe in Jesus intellectually.
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I never questioned if he came to this earth and he rose from the
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dead. I just didn't have a
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relationship with him. I didn't know what to do when I
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run into problems. I didn't know how to apply His
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word. I didn't want to build a
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relationship. I thought I had a relationship.
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This is the kind of relationship we have with each other
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nowadays. Once a month you see people
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that's a relationship that's not an intimate relationship like
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husband and wife, only deeper in husband and wife.
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So I had to learn the hard way where I only had God's word and
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I read and I read and I read and you know what, My heart wasn't
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changing. I couldn't do what I read.
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How do you love your enemy? How do you love somebody that's
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trying to hurt you? When my cold in my heart is
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don't let anybody pick on you, you know, give him lickins or my
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dad would give me lickins growing up.
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So it's a eye for an eye. I got, I got along with the Old
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Testament. But to forgive, how do you do
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that? How do you, when something hurts
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you so deeply, how do you not let it hurt you?
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I wish I knew that earlier. So I walked away.
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I wasn't, I couldn't, I didn't know how to do it.
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So I was like this, I'm missing something.
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They didn't think that God is fake.
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I'm just thinking I'm missing something that I can't figure
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out. And no matter what church I went
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to, they didn't know either. They were less not even read
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your Bible. I was reading.
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So I knew what I'm supposed to do.
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I just couldn't do it because I was doing it out of discipline.
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So I could only do it on my best days when I'm spread thin or
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that voice is reminding me of the hurt in my life.
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Negativity comes out, anger comes out, and unfortunately it
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comes out to the people that I love the most.
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Yeah. And Doug, you know, if you've
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said some things as we've sat together that the turning point
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for you was when you got broken, you got Doug needed to die, Doug
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the old Doug needed to go away. And I remember you saying that
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was the turning point for you and your life whereby you didn't
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have anything else to turn to anymore.
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You were on your knees and you were like everything I've done
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up until this point is produced this God, please help me.
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What, how do I do this? How do I, how do I, how do I
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love you? How do I build this relationship
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with you? And talk a little bit about
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that, Doug, that testimony of yours where God really started
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to work in you. Yeah, I would lean on other
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people from comfort, my wife, my family and I would lean on my
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intellect and my wife's intellect to get through
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problems. And we could face pretty much
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any problem that came our way now when God separated us.
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I'm in prison now. Now I can't control the
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situation. No matter what I do, I can't
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change my circumstance. So now he's, he's going to start
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teaching me how to change. So all of the learning I did was
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intellectual up until this last season, about four, 4 1/2 years
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ago. He said now is the final exam.
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But everything I taught you for the past 20 years, put it
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together and apply it to your life.
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You cannot change your circumstances.
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You change. I'm going to show you how to
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change. I'm going to change your heart
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so you don't have to have things change around you in order to
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love, in order to forgive somebody.
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Your wife doesn't have to be nice to you for you to love her.
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I'm going to show you how to love her, even if she's mean to
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you and she doesn't love you back.
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And she does a great job at that.
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Oh, do I know that all too well, Doug, Do I know that all too
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well? I'm sure there's a lot of you
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guys listen out there can interview relate to that
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scenario. But again, Doug coming back to
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the fact that we can't love them.
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We can't be an example to our children.
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We can't not be an example to anybody unless I know we're
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beating this drum over and over again.
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But it comes back to intimate daily fellowship with God.
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You know, we talk about reading God's word all the time, Doug.
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But again, for me, learning how how to read God's word, not just
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going like like a, like a regular book in a reading
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through, starting at Genesis and reading all the way through the
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revelations. That's not going to change your
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heart. It's not going to get you to
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understand how to have an intimate relationship or even
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know the character of God for it, for for anything.
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So I love that. The fact is we the strategic way
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by which we read God's word every day, Matthew 4, Four man
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shall not live by bread alone, but every word that proceeds out
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of the mouth of God, that is Our Daily Bread.
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That's our daily sustenance, Correct, Doug?
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Correct. And again, it's not the the act
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of reading, it's the act of building our relationship with
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God the Father, listening to him tell us about what he loves,
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what he hates, what hurts him and why.
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And we start to get to know him and we know how much he loves
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us. Because when we admit our sins
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in like, I don't love him the way I should love him.
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I don't give thanks. I got so much to be thankful
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for. But I pick out the things that I
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don't like, the things that I'm not happy with.
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Just like the Israelites in the desert.
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He got them out of Egypt. Now they're not slaves to the
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Egyptians and they complain because it's hot.
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They don't have anything to drink.
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They don't have food. I should have stayed back in
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Egypt. What did he do?
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He killed most of them and they never reached the promised land.
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So it's an agreement. Testament means covenant.
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Covenant means an agreement. It's not Mystic.
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Where Jesus. I hear pastors say Jesus paid
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the price. He did everything he did.
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It's like creation. We have a part of creation now.
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God did 99% of it. I have a part to do.
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He made it that way. Salvation, we have a part to do.
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I have to sacrifice my life. I have to repent.
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I have to turn from my sin, sacrifice my time and build an
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intimate relationship with Him. The reason why it's so hard for
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me now, it's because I came to God in my 30s.
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Now, if I was raised that way. Psychologists say up to the age
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of 12, teaching is more caught than taught.
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Kids observe primarily. That's why they can learn the
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language fluently. It's not what you help.
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You teach them how to speak. They automatically pick it up.
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They can pick up Mandarin, they can pick up Taiwanese.
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It's after the age of 12 now. It's difficult to learn a
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different language, difficult to learn a different way.
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Heart represents our innermost thoughts and feelings, our
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morals, our values, our character.
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To change our character and our deep belief system.
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Impossible without God helping. Us, come on.
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And I'm witness to that, Doug, you know, 62 years of this life
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on this planet. And I wish I would have had my
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father have a daily intimate relationship with him so he
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could have taught me how to be a man of God, loving, forgiving,
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going above and beyond, showing the nature and the character of
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God in an everyday basis. And you know, it's like you
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said, that is challenging coming and having to get rid of the all
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those old habits of mine that are just part of who I was part
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of who I am. And that's the thing about when
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you spend time with God, he reveals those things to you.
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And as and as you say, Doug, it's the bumps that we get, not
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the person bumping us change. But what's it reveal like?
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What's it revealing on us? What's that hurt in our heart?
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What's that? That miscalibration as it were
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in our hearts that we need to look at and make the adjustment
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ourselves. But we're not on ourselves, but
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going to God say, Father, God, help me Holy Spirit.
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Heal that part of my heart. Go deep way down to the recesses
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of who I am, the top root of the Kiabi tree as it were.
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Get to the bottom of this rooted out so then we can start living
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the way God intended us to live in His His creation.
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Correct. And the whole this is the time
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that we have a choice. This is where we're going to
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determine where we're going to live for eternity.
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We don't even live 100 years on Earth and for old people like
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Kevin, no, we don't even live that long here on earth.
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But this, this decision we make here on earth will, will
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determine where we're going to go for eternity.
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Now remember, guys, you know, if to have somebody move into your
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home with you, you have to trust him.
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You have valuables there. You have your wife, you have
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your children there. You know how many people do
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wrong things to children nowadays?
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I mean, more and more exposure is coming out.
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So you're going to have somebody come into your house where you
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don't know that's people just don't do that.
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You have to trust them to be around the most intimate part of
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you, your family, your home. Heaven represents God's home.
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And see, the difference is I'm just using us as an example.
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God is holy. He cannot bring us in without us
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being forgiven. He's not corrupt like us.
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So can God do anything and everything?
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No, he can't. He cannot sin, He cannot lie.
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Hebrews 618 It's impossible for God to lie, so God can't do all
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things, He can't do anything evil.
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So therefore, he created a way for us to come home to heaven to
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change our destiny. We're destined to go to hell.
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If we don't do anything, we're hell bomb.
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And I, I, I was born with asthma, not because I was a
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chain smoker in my mother's womb.
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It's because I inherited it. It's in the family line.
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I'm grateful that I grew out of it.
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But sin, we inherited it, so to speak, original sin.
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So God gives us an opportunity to change our destiny from being
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separated from him hell to coming home with him, heaven.
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But that banks on the relationship we have with him.
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And the evidence of that relationship will be a changed
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heart, a healed heart. And that's why the song Why
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isn't Jesus changing my heart? Because you're not spending
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intimate quality time with him every.
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Day, right, Doug? And you know, for me, the big
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change in my my life was when I started seeing my life here and
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not from the earthly perspective as it were.
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But it says, for lack of better terms, I bought into eternity
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realize that hey, I bet whatever I'm doing here right now is
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going to determine where I'm going.
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So I better start taking this serious.
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And the problem is with this world that we live around that's
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around us doesn't have doesn't teach us that do your own way to
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have your own thing do your do your own life live the way you
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what feels right to you. Whereas that's just a that's
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just a a ticket to go to the dark place.
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That's just a way of the world. When you start seeing your life
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from an eternal perspectives and building that daily relationship
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with God every day, your heart slowly starts to change and you
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start seeing like a reflected reflected this morning, Doug
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about getting to experience without God, the love of God.
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And only because I'm spending that time with him every day and
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and doing the sacrifices that need to be happen every day for
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my life to know how much he really loves me.
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It's overwhelming to be honest with you.
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You know, Doug, this morning I was like, just wow.
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The love of God is is real. And when you spend that time
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with him, he'll show you if you show up.
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Yeah, exactly, Kevin. We we have we just started doing
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podcasts on YouTube. So if you go on YouTube and
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you're men helping men, the second episode is talking about
44:24
what we're talking about today. But what I did is I I brought
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Gemini in and I started talking to Gemini as I record asking
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Gemini to use systematic theology is what the whole Bible
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says about one topic. So the great thing about AI is
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they can access God's word 66 books throughout very
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efficiently and fast effectively.
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So I can always test the theology that others have and I
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have against AI. So I, I have about a fifth,
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well, about a 1015 minute session with, with Gemini about
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what we're talking about creation, learning another
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language. If I was a billionaire, does
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that help? No, it's the sacrifice, building
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a relationship with God. What if I do it twice a week for
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two hours each time? She said.
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Impossible to be transformed. It's a daily commitment.
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So why doesn't the churches say that?
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Because of misinterpretation of Scripture, conforming to the
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people in their church instead of conforming to God's word, His
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character, his way. Remember, Jesus is the judge,
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not your pastor. You can't blame your pastor.
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Well, he told me the wrong. He gave me the wrong
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instruction. Yeah, your pastor will get
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beaten with many blows, but you're still accountable for
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your own salvation, your own relationship, or lack.
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Thereof exactly Doug Wow some powerful truth there Doug and
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yeah so make sure you do turn into our podcast on men helping
46:03
men YouTube channel. That's where our music comes
46:06
from as well, and it's a daily showing up daily again, just as
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we would show up to if you wanted to, you know, like you
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said, you used to have type 2 diabetes.
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You got to change your diet. If you want to start living a
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healthier life, you got to start showing up to the gym.
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You can't just passively approach these things in your
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life. You have to apply yourself and
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to change your heart. You have to apply yourself to
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learning who God is through His Word and showing up every day
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and making that sacrifice. Yeah, and and that's how you can
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spread it to your family. You can teach your wife, your
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children, men, You can bring it home.
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You can give it to the people you love.
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You can help them build that intimate relationship with God
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the Father. See, that's what a spiritual
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father is supposed to do. A spiritual father is a pastor,
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teacher. He's supposed to teach God's
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children, his sheep, how to build an intimate daily
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relationship with him. And that's what I'm trying to
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teach. I'm, I'm in the middle of
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teaching Kevin and Brandon not to depend on me.
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We're not Catholics. It's to depend on my faith in
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the beginning. But I transition them off to
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depending on God. 100% yes. They'll all run things by it.
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We run things by each other so we can be sure we don't make
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mistakes. But ultimately, when Kevin goes
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home to his house, the Holy Spirit goes with him.
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He's not alone anymore. Doug, That was that was a big
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thing for me because I always felt alone.
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And when I started fellowshipping with you and
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Brandon, I remember showing up at the house one day and just
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having this overwhelming sense that not just because you guys
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being there, but realizing that the Holy Spirit is with me all
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the time. I'm not alone.
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I don't have to figure this out on my own.
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See a lot of US men, we want to rely on or we're taught to rely
47:55
on ourself, be independent, figure it out on our own.
47:58
But that only works for a certain period of time.
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And you come to the end of yourself.
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And when you do come to the end yourself, it's like like Doug
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did when you get on your knees and say, Father, help me, help
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me to love you, help me to learn about you.
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Help me to live this life that's pleasing to you.
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Help me to be a Christ built Christian.
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Yes, and it depends on how deep your wounds are and how hard
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headed you are. And I'm Hawaiian, Portuguese and
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Chinese so I'm pretty. It took a while before I got
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this and there was unfortunately nobody to take the lead and show
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me these things and show me the way God Jesus is way I'm the
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way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father
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except through me. The gate is narrow.
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The reason why it's narrow is I got to throw off all my bad
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habits and I'll solely depend on him.
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Exactly. Hey guys, got some great news
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for you. By the way, as we come off the
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show here, we got 3, two more days adding to the Men Helping
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Men radio talk show. We're going to be joining you at
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7:00, excuse me, 11:00 Monday morning, our regular 3:00
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session and then Friday again, 11:00.
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Make sure you tune into us and get in to the YouTube channel,
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listen to Pastor Doug's teaching and God bless you guys.
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We look forward to seeing you next week here on Men Helping
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Men. Aloha.
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sons.