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Our Predictions for the NBA Finals and NFL Fantasy Football Talk! · The So-Called Sports Analysts

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  Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome back to another episode, episode
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  number fifty of the so called Sports Channelists. Josh, how you doing.
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  We're in the David Robinson Podcast, Baby, number fifty. You already know.
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  It's a milestone. We're gonna keep it moving, We're gonna get it
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  going. It's a beautiful time. It's the NBA Finals are here. Two
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  of my least favorite teams in the entire NBA are playing each other. I
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  just gotta pick a winner. But I'm not going for nobody. I'm not
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  going for no. One. But I can pick a winner and we'll get
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  to that in a minute. Yeah no, we'll get to that in a
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  There's a bunch that we need to talk about, Josh. But before
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  we before we talk even finals here, we're gonna it's a little bit of
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  breaking news. It's not official, but it's pretty much official, JJ Reddick,
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  He's Sham's reported. He's basically gonna be the Lakers head coach. The
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  only reason why it's not official yet is because he wants to call the NBA
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  finals, which who wouldn't want to do that? So, Josh, how
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  are you feeling from that? You think that's a smart move right there?
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  I just saw Jamien's comment on the twitch real quick. But I'm gona.
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  I'm gonna keep it moving, uh, JJ Reddick. It's hard to say
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  how I feel about it. I mean, I think he's a good candidate.
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  Someone always deserves a shot, you know, especially someone that played as
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  many years in the NBA as JJ Redick. And the knowledge that he has
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  showed as like a reporter, commentator, having his own podcast, he shows
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  his true knowledge of the game. And I think maybe this was kind of
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  a four like for him and the Lebron podcast that they did together. It
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  was kind of foreshadowing the events that may take place. So this is probably
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  set up and predetermined for him to come in. It's just h I don't
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  know how to feel about it because there's no experience. There's no coaching experience
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  on the sidelines with him, So yeah, we're kind of just going in
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  blindly with this whole thing. Yeah now, but I would say Steve Kerr,
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  he never had coaching experience before he had the Warriors, so that can
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  still work. But all I'm just saying is that Lebron he's one of the
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  best homies out there of all time because he's setting up his friends left and
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  right for coaching jobs or different opportunities to even get to even get agency deals
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  or whatever. That's what he does. That's what he does. But I
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  think the biggest thing for me is that knowing the scrutiny that he's about to
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  get from being a Lakers head coach, because look at Darvin Ham. He
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  got fried all or the entire time last season and even the year before.
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  So do you think that he's even gonna be able to live up to those
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  expectations from the Laker organization or Lakers media. I think it's is Lebron gonna
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  live up to the expectations because he's gone through many coaches and it's always been
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  the same result. Kind of for him, It just can that coach help
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  him along the way to get into a championship. That's the biggest thing.
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  I think that's the only the only real judgment that you can give a coach
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  that's coaching a Lebron James led team as if they finished with the championship or
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  not. So I think it's failure if they don't win a championship. My
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  bad. I looked at some of the twitch comments here. I couldn't helped.
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  I'm not gonna read that out loud, but I'm just saying, is
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  these Twitch comments they're a little bit crazy. But yeah, I think it's
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  just just gonna be damned if you do damned if you don't. Because if
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  he does do well and they somehow win a championship, they're gonna say,
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  oh, Lebron made the great hire. But if they don't do well,
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  they're gonna say, oh, well, this is all Lebron's fault. You're
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  following Lebron's footsteps. So they're not a serious question though, How is that?
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  Are we going through all these head coaches and they're somehow like ridy kill
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  around the roster? How does Rob Polinka still have a job and like all
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  these coaches are getting fired. It doesn't make any sense to me because you're
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  not putting the roster around Lebron consistently, but you're still the GM throughout all
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  these years. I just think gms they just get away with that. You
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  really don't see a GM get fired. You get fired like that unless you're
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  cleaning house. So they just get the benefit of the doubt. Look at
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  look at even baseball football especially, they get more opportunities for a GM.
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  They're they're real quick to blame, blame the head coach for everything. So
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  yeah, no, he definitely had has underwhelmed from what he's put around Lebron.
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  But he is older now, so you're gonna have to put even more
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  pieces around him. But another another side story here is as far as the
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  whole Kaitlyn Clark situation that's been happening, there's not really a real way to
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  put it, but how she's been getting man handled pretty much or there's been
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  maybe some unnecessary contact. So it's been happening throughout her first few regular season
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  games. So how do you feel about that, Josh? Do you think
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  that's fair they're just trying to prove her a message or do you think this
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  is wrong. I just feel like I've never seen a group of people want
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  to go back to flying spirit so fast in their entire life, because that's
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  what that's what the WNBA is doing. No one was watching their games before
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  Kaitlyn Clark came It's the truth. I wasn't watching a Kaitlyn Clark game.
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  I mean I wasn't watching a w NBA game until Clayton Clark joined the league.
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  And I've only watched the Kaitlyn Clark game since she joined the league.
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  And that goes for a lot of people. A lot of people are gonna
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  sit here and not not a test to that, not testify to that,
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  but it's the truth. None of us were watching women's basketball until Kaitlyn Clark
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  came along and onto the scene. And I think it is out of pure
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  jealousy because someone a rookie who has not put the time in, who has
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  I'm sure y'all put the groundwork, but she's took the league to the limit.
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  Like they're getting a whole lot of revenue, they're getting a lot of
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  ads, they're getting a bigger push from the NBA from the media standpoint,
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  and I think I think there's a lot of jealousy her being kind of the
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  savior of women's basketball because before her they were in debt. Now they might
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  still be in debt, but they're working their way up. And as far
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  as that, it's just the truth. Though. If you look at the
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  the numbers of the games, especially from this past weekend, I think,
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  yeah, nine games without Kaitlyn Clark averaged around forty five hundred people in attendance.
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  Her games had over seventeen thousand in both of them. So there's a
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  big difference when it comes to watching Caitlyn Clark play basketball. I just think
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  a lot of them just need to accept that she's kind of putting money in
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  their pockets and quit. And I understand they're still gonna bully her around because
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  there is like that jealousy standpoint and she's a rookie, but there also has
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  to be a hey, man, like we kind of need to keep our
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  money maker quite well here. I don't I don't get it. I'm not
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  gonna lie. I don't get it. Like you said, she's the one
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  that's pushing the league and they're like, nah, we're not. We're not
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  gonna let that slide here. We're not gonna let that slide. But I
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  think I think it's fair though. I think it's fair with I think it's
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  fair with they're what they're doing, because there's gonna be jealousy. She's making
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  twenty million dollars off of a shoe deal and getting paid. I think it's
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  more than seventy percent of all the other WNBA players. So who's not gonna
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  be jealous of that? Be be real here, who's not going to so?
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  I just think that well, even Angel Reese, she even talked about
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  it too, as far as well, I'm the one that helped make a
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  difference in this league too. Nah, I'm sorry. No, Just to
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  put a real blunt and honest everybody wants to watch Kaitlyn Clark. Everybody does,
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  whether we like it or not. That's the only reason why they're being
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  talked about in reality. I don't know if you need to say anything else.
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  I think you pretty much said everything here. I think I think the
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  problem with Angel Reese's statement is that she's saying me she still wants to be
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  an individual. If the rest of the league came together and said like,
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  we as a unit are pushing the league forward, but it's too many individuals
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  trying to take credit for the situation instead of instead of And not once has
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  Kaitlyn Clark come out and bashed anyone. Not once has she put anyone down.
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  Has she says she's the face of the league, that she's the reason
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  why all this is happening. All she does is get praised to her peers
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  and everyone else resumed to have it out for Yeah. But again, I'm
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  not trying to compare it to NBA. But you go back to as far
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  as with Lebron or even Wemby this year, that was scrutiny so much at
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  the very beginning because they wanted to see him fail because it was this generational
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  talent. Look at even Caleb Williams too. So I just think with any
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  great player in their rookie year or the start of their career, there's gonna
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  be some sort of hate no matter what it is. And also shout out
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  to camera Brink respectfully, respectfully, shot bro, shoot your shot, bro.
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  That's all I say. That's all I would say, respectfully. What
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  That's all I would say. That's all I would say. But all right,
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  let let's go ahead and get onto the NBA finals. Here, then
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  let's go ahead and get onto it. So, Josh, I know you
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  hate both of these teams. We need to kick Damien out of this out
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  of this comments section. Bro, I know David, he is crazy.
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  I'm not trying to look over there at the comments. I'm not trying to
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  laugh so much. But oh my goodness, okay, yeah, yeah,
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  yeah, all right, focus, focus, focus, So NBA Finals here,
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  the biggest moment of them on in the NBA season. Celtics Mavericks,
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  Luca, Jason Tatum, Jaylen Brown, Kyrie Irving. Who do you got
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  and why? I have the Dallas Mavericks in this in this championship series.
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  And I do think these teams match up very well. But I do think
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  the matchup is more favorable to the Dallas Mavericks. The oh there goes Jason
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  Tat. Don't give him praise to Kobe Bryant again. But you know,
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  but with the Dallas Mavericks, they have an interior presence. They have a
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  Daniel Gafford and Derek Whey who couldn't control the boards, who can defend the
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  rim and also create them into your offense. It's just the Celtics don't have
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  that. I get, Christops is coming back from from injury and Al Horford's
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  been playing out of his mind. But who am I gonna take right now
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  going into these playoffs Daniel Gafford, Derek Lively or Christops and now Horford.
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  That may sound like a crazy statement looking at the names, but so far
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  this postseason, I'm taking Daniel Gafford and Derek Lively every single time. And
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  along with that, the Celtics do have some of the best two way players
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  in the entire NBA front from the front of the from the top of the
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  roster to the bottom of the roster, But they don't have a Kyrie Irving
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  or look good Donchis. I get they have just Tatum and Jaylen Brown,
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  but they are not Kyrie Irving and Lugod Donchis. These guys are generational talents.
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  You can you can replace the jaln Brown. I think you can replace
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  the Jon Tatum, but you can't replace the good daun Chets and the Kyrie
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  Irving. These guys, with their skill set is just on match there.
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  They bring a whole different level to the game of basketball. I do think
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  they're gonna show out together in their first championship series together, dang as a
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  Texas flag is waving in the background. It looks like you're making an advertisement
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  right here. But okay, my head is telling me to go with the
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  Boston Celtics because they've been the best team all year. And even though Jason
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  Tatum he's not on Luka Donci's level, he's been averaging twenty seven points in
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  this postseason. He has twenty seven, eight and six something around that,
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  so he's not as good as Luca. He's not averaging his numbers. And
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  Christops is coming back. He is a key piece. But I already mentioned
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  the Dallas Mavericks. If I wasn't a Bulls fan, I'd be a MAVs
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  fan. So I'm going with the MAVs here. I'm going with the Maps
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  here. This is strictly you take that back. This is strictly biased.
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  No, I'm doubling down on it. I'm doubling down on this right here.
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  This is a bias podcast. I think we say it at least once
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  or twice every episode. So I think the MAVs are gonna win simply because
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  Luka Doncic he is clear levels above Jason Tatum and Jaylen Brown and no matter
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  who's going to be put on to him. They're gonna be cooked. Derek
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  White. He may be faster than Luka Doncic, not as big. Drew
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  Holliday, he may be as physical, not as not as quick, and
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  he's not gonna be able to block his shot. Put Jason Tatum or Jaylen
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  Brown on him, don't matter. Cooked. And I'm gonna say the MAVs
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  they win here in seven. I'm gonna say that. I say MAVs in
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  seven. I think it's going the full distance. You think I think MAVs
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  in five? Wow? You you think it's just that quick? Why that
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  quick? Do you think that's because the discrepancy between the playoff teams? Do
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  you think that's why? Yes? Or do you think the the Celtics had
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  an easier route to the playoffs. I will say this is continued with injury.
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  They didn't have a real challenge. The Celtics went through. The MAVs
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  went through everyone. They went through. The Timberwolves beat them in five.
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  Who the Timberwolves just took out the defending NBA champions, the Denver Nuggets.
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  Then they took out the number one seed Oklahoma City Thunder and they beat a
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  pretty good Pelicans team in four or no, not Pelicans, tripputing. They
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  beat the Los Angeles Clippers with Kawhi, Leonard, Paul George and all the
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  boys that's there, all the veterans, all the Hall of Famers that's on
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  that team. They went through them also, then those guys were all healthy,
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  everyone was. I get Kawhi missed a couple games where you're still playing
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  against Paul George, Russell Westbrook, and James Harden all on the same team.
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  Then the number number one seed in Oklahoma City Thunder, and then you
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  beat the Timberwolves, who just knocked off the Denver Nuggets. I do think
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  the Mavericks are are well set up to contend for this championship and win it.
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  And it hurts me to say that with all my being so, but
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  they're gonna win this championship. Okay, So, since we both have the
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  same team here winning the championship, who's the X factor for both of these
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  teams here? And who's gonna be the reason why one of these teams win?
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  You know what I mean? Fact X factor for Mavericks easy to say,
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  look at Donch their Kyrie Irving. But i'mna have to go with Derek
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  Lively, the tandem of Derek Lively and Daniel Gafford. I do think those
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  guys, they win the boards, they win, they win the series.
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  They control the boards, they win the series. They control the defense on
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  the interior, they win the series. As far as the Boston Celtics X
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  factor, it almost has to be either at Warford or christas Perzingis because they're
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  gonna have to be able to defend two of the best finishers of all time
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  with Luca don Chis and Kyrie Irving getting to the paint, and then plus
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  Derek Lively, who's who's a lobbter every single time, So they have a
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  big task on hand. Yeah, no, they do. I just think
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  and and I get. We have said that the Celtics year round have been
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  the best team, but the best team to probably close out there this season
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  and in the playoffs has been the Dallas Dallas Mavericks. Yeah. I can't
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  agree with that. I just think we did this last series with the Minnesota
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  Tembwolves and the Dallas Mavericks. As far as the Timberwolves, they beat the
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  defending champs, so they should easily be favored throughout the rest of the way.
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  In the playoffs, then they get obliterated by the MAVs. I just
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  think there's gonna be different matchup problems. I'm still picking the MAVs, but
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  I'm just trying to give the Celtics perspective here. I just think the Celtics
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  they have a damn good chance chance because Chris Stops and Al Horford, They're
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  gonna stretch the floor. So you're not gonna have your rim protectors right there
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  unless you're gonna you're gonna let an open three happen. And I say,
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  I say four out of five or maybe aren't just paint roamers. They can
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  they can go out to the wing and defend. But here's this is what
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  I'm trying to say. So the Mavericks they have two shot creators and playmakers.
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  The Celtics, you can argue they have four or five. You could
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  argue that. You can argue that easily. And that's gonna be the biggest
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  difference because it doesn't have to be in the two players hands Kyrie Revering and
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  Luka Doncic all the time. Tatum, he could do a Jaylen Brown,
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  Derek White, Drew Holliday, he could do he could do that. So
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  it's gonna just be slashed into the paint and kicking or kicking out to threes.
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  And there's gonna be a chess match between Joe Missoula and Jason Kidd.
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  And I think I'm not gonna lie Joe Missoula. He's he's had a decent
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  to good coaching job during this playoffs, so I don't think he's gonna be
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  out coached completely. I'll still take Kid here, but it's it's gonna be
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  close. But X factor for me, I think it's gonna be PJ.
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  Washington and Derek Jones Junior. They're gonna need to guard Jason Tatum and Jylen
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  Brown here. They're gonna you're gonna have to stop those switches from happening to
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  getting Luca and Kyrie on them because even though they've been playing good defense,
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  they're gonna get cooked. They will. And as far as X factor for
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  the Boss and Celtics here, I'm I'm gonna have to say Jaylen Brown here
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  because Jason Tatum, he's already gonna have a full workload defensive league Garden,
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  Luca or Kyrie, He's gonna be the number one perimeter defender. I know
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  there's Derek White and Drew Holliday, but he's gonna be the number one because
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  he could guard. He could guard one through four on the Mavericks, so
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  he's gonna have to do that. But yeah, and then a stat Okay,
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  hypothetically, hypothetically, say the Celtics lose, right, they lose in
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  the finals, whether it's close, whether it's not close, whether they get
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  swept or not. Do the Celtics run it back again? Do they know?
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  So? What do you think? What do you think they should do
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  if this doesn't if they don't win a championship, get rid of the one
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  one one of the other, or bring in someone else. Bringing someone else
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  that that really can make a real difference because they've been in the situation way
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  too many times to not succeed. If they don't succeed this year, the
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  win win, are they going to succeed. That's the real question. I've
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  been saying that every when you ask me, am I impressed with what they're
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  doing? No, I'm not impressed. They're here every year, they're in
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  the spot every single year, they're fighting to get to the championship in the
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  Eastern Conference finals. Every single year, But they just haven't got the job
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  done. Like I said, they're the San Francisco four nine ers of the
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  NBA. These guys are always gonna be in the mix. They're always gonna
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  be in the conference championships and the Super Bowls and the NBA Championship. But
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  until they get that job done, I am not impressed. And if they
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  don't get the job done again, it's kind of hard to sit here and
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  be like it's gonna work again next year. Trust is gonna get there next
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  year. But nah, they're missing. They're missing, they'll be missing something,
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  and that's they probably need some interior presence if they don't win this year.
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  I'll say this first or before I go on this ramp. So,
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  how you said they've been here every single year? So I did. I
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  looked up a little bit more on it. So the Boston Celtics, they've
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  had six conference finals in eight years. So there's only been seven teams that
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  have done that since the nineteen seventies. Doctor J's seventy six ers from seventy
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  seven to eighty four, they got a title. Kaream and Magic Slakers four
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  titles, Bird Celtics four titles, Jordan's Bulls six tip six titles, Bill
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  Ups Pistons one title, Steph's Warriors four titles, and then Jason Tatum and
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  Jaylen Brown have zero, so there's an odd one out. Everybody else has
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  one of finals. So this is their time. And it was perfect what
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  you said. This is gonna be the perfect opportunity because the Knicks, they
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  were banged up, Giannis and Dame, They're more likely than not gonna be
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  healthy. So there's gonna be better teams two stops the whole playoffs due to
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  this. Yeah, exactly so, and then you have the Miami Heat.
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  They're coming back. There could be a big move the seventy six ers,
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  whatever they decide to do in the free agency. So this is the best
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  chance. You can't let this go. And the reason why is because this
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  is the worst we're probably gonna see the MAVs in the next five years.
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  It is. I'm not saying they're gonna make the finals every time, but
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  as far as the team built around Luca and then you're gonna have Shay there,
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  then you're gonna have the Timberwolves there, You're gonna have the Nuggets there.
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  So even if you get out of the East. It's gonna be a
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  tough team from the West no matter what. So yeah, I'm locking it
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  in MAVs they win in seven and Luka Doncic he's the finals MVP. I
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  think that's pretty much set in stone. Yep. But as far as I
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  know, we haven't talked about it so much. As far as greatest offensive
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  backcourt in NBA history, So if they win the championship, are they officially
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  the greatest offensive back courts? Think back Magic and James Worthy, Well was
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  a three? Yeah it was a three. He wasn't a two. We're
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  gonna do Joe Demars' aa Thomas. They won two championships. You could say,
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  you could say Stephan Clay, Stephan Clay that okay there, Yeah,
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  they have to be up there. But I think we're looking at yeah just
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  that kind of yeah. Yeah, Well, I mean Clay defense when he
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  was in his prime was up there in the NBA and then he started getting
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  injured. M H. M. Russ and James harden Can they never played
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  actually like together together. Yeah, I think that's pretty much it. I'm
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  not gonna lie GP and TP and Genobley never played really together together. They
• 22:51
  let each other's groups. I mean, yeah, it's kind of hard to
• 22:53
  argue against that. Maybe we can do Kyrie and Matthew Delvandova. Maybe I
• 22:57
  don't know, just keep it hell yeah, uh, Kobe Bryant and Derek
• 23:00
  Fisher. Hell no, oh, MJ and bj Armstrong. We're forgetting that
• 23:07
  dynamic due right, Well, that would be Ron Harper. Oh yeah,
• 23:11
  Ron Harper. Actually that's not too bad. That's not too bad. That's
• 23:15
  not a bad group. But that's not Kyrie. It's like, mainly it's
• 23:18
  not Kyrie and Luca. It's like Jordan's soloing the whole. Yeah, a
• 23:22
  far right Yeah, getting your own bucket, getting your own bucket, winever
• 23:26
  and wherever you want. I think there's never been a yeah, there's never
• 23:30
  been another two players together to do this. And if someone I don't really
• 23:36
  don't have an argument to it. And we've seen good people be paired together
• 23:38
  but never win a championship. We'll never even get this close to being in
• 23:41
  a championship. So yeah, they would have to be easily the best backcourt
• 23:47
  in NBA history if they do that, because just the magnitude of players they
• 23:49
  have. We have Luka Doncis, who arguably would be the best player in
• 23:53
  the NBA. And then Kyrie Irving, who's the most skilled player in the
• 23:56
  history of the NBA. It'd be hard to argue against that in all reality.
• 24:02
  Okay, and then I got another one. I got another thing.
• 24:07
  So say, if Luka Doncic and the MAVs they win a championship, right,
• 24:11
  I think this is a hot take for me. I don't know how
• 24:14
  you feel about this. Bare minimum. Luka Doncic finishes as a top ten
• 24:19
  player of all time if he wins a championship this year, with the trajectory
• 24:25
  he's at. Not right now, now he does after the first one,
• 24:30
  he don't he with the trajectory he's at. Okay, Yeah, like okay,
• 24:33
  yeah out, Yeah, he's made he's made five or six first Team
• 24:38
  All nbas obviously all the All stars are there. And then you win a
• 24:42
  championship potentially finals, MVP. You can't tell me that's not that's not a
• 24:48
  trajectory for goat level. Jordan MJ mj oh Wait. I said the same
• 24:56
  thing, Jordan Lebron. Those guys win till twenty he said, twenty eight
• 25:00
  years old. Those guys didn't win till twenty seven to twenty eight years old.
• 25:06
  Looka, he's twenty five years old. He's already getting ahead of the
• 25:08
  curve. So I mean, yes, he'd have to win the MVPs and
• 25:18
  more championships for sure, because Nick Jokic already got some beat on the MVPs
• 25:22
  and the championship, and then Jannis hasn't beat on the MVP's Defensive Player of
• 25:29
  the Years and championships, so it have to be he'd have to win this
• 25:32
  one and then keep it going. But yeah, that's why I'm saying the
• 25:36
  trajectory, I think easily whoever wins his finals here between. I know it's
• 25:41
  not down to two players, but between Jason Tatum and Luka Doncic, whoever
• 25:47
  whoever wins this, they're gonna have like a month or two ahead of the
• 25:51
  crowd. As far as for MVP favorite the next year, they're gonna easily
• 25:56
  have that because Jokichi had the exact same thing. He had the exact same
• 26:00
  thing, so it gave him a head start. I just don't think there's
• 26:03
  that respect for Tatum anymore compared to the other players. Okay, that's another
• 26:08
  thing that I wanted to bring up. So as far as Jason Tator respect
• 26:12
  him as much as I respect other players. Okay, I'm gonna say this.
• 26:18
  There's four players in the NBA, which it's Luke not in any order,
• 26:22
  Luca, Giannis, Jokic, and Embiid. Those four players are at
• 26:29
  a different level and they cannot They're They're different between four and then five and
• 26:36
  so on. There's a big gap. So technically you can argue, maybe
• 26:41
  you could say Sga over Tatum, but even at that, I'm having Tatum
• 26:45
  at six six. No, you're not, goodness, I am every day
• 26:53
  I'm taking over not the best defensive and he's and I to be next offensively
• 27:00
  it will be as good. Oh my goodness, No way, No,
• 27:03
  I'm taking on every single time, ten times out of ten. And I'm
• 27:11
  not the only one saying that. You ask people who they're gonna start a
• 27:14
  franchise with. Today, everyone every GM has voted Tatum and player. No,
• 27:18
  I'm not. I'm not saying. I'm not saying franchise, who are
• 27:21
  starting franchise? Wimby, He's up there, He's easily top top three,
• 27:25
  bare minimum. I'm talking about right now, right now, Jason Tatum,
• 27:29
  right now, Wimby all right, I promise you if they have Wimby right
• 27:36
  now, the Celtics Okay, well never mind, it was a weak ass
• 27:38
  run. It was a weak ass run. So maybe what do you mean,
• 27:42
  the Celtics to the finals, Celtics to the fight would have had he
• 27:45
  would have had he would have been without You're Allen Evan Mobley with his and
• 27:51
  then he would have been Cookie Miles Turner the entire time. What do you
• 27:53
  That's what I'm saying. It would have been. It would have been a
• 27:56
  week run either way, it would have been a Bim would have been the
• 27:59
  closest. Ben would have been the closest, but it still would have been
• 28:02
  enough over a seven game series. Wimby, he's the defenders around the defenders
• 28:08
  and the three point shooting around Wimby on the Celtics team plus Jaln Brown,
• 28:14
  I think it would have been a I think they would it would be the
• 28:15
  same results. Well again, we already said this is a week finals run.
• 28:22
  As it is, they haven't beat a team over fifty. It would
• 28:25
  be the exact same. That's why I said, I said never mind.
• 28:27
  I said never mind. But still as of right now, I'm not saying
• 28:30
  franchise. I'm saying right now, I will take Jason Tatum over Victor Wiben
• 28:36
  Yamo right now because Jason Tatum, he's in that. I'm saying Sja is
• 28:41
  better, so I'm gonna have him at the six spot. That's why I
• 28:45
  say he's taking him. You put Giannis in the top four. Yeah,
• 28:48
  okay, I just could remember. Yeah, not in any order. Luka
• 28:52
  Jokic, Giannis, Embiid and then Sga the only over him. The only
• 29:00
  reason why I don't have guys like Lebron or even Steph is because old.
• 29:07
  They're older, and they've been getting hurt a lot. They were hurt more
• 29:11
  this season. Anthony Davis. Are you taking Tatum over Anthony Davis right now?
• 29:15
  Like? Is boring? Just because injuries? Yeah? Like if Athank
• 29:21
  Davis could stay healthy majority of the time. Yeah. The only exception for
• 29:26
  this is Embiid. But Embeid whenever he plays, he's averaging about thirty thirty
• 29:30
  five points a game, So so I know ad ad defensively he's always there.
• 29:38
  Offensively not so much, That's what I'd say, And I prefer the
• 29:44
  more offensive offensive side. That actually my thing. I'm still taking it winn't
• 29:48
  be over Jason Tatum. And I think this is the thing with Jason Tatum.
• 29:52
  Jason Tatum, he's good at every single thing he does. He's just
• 29:57
  not great at anything. She's a great passer, great offensive player, Luca,
• 30:03
  great offensive player, is just a dominant Yeah, he's just like good
• 30:07
  at everything. He's just too good. He's just too good. Yeah.
• 30:11
  He he's like a Okay, this is gonna sound crazy. He's terrible at
• 30:15
  defense. Let's not let's Jason Tatum. Oh oh yeah, you know offensive
• 30:22
  game. It's offensive game makes up so much. It's just yeah, yeah,
• 30:29
  no Jason Tatum. What this is gonna sound crazy, But he's like
• 30:34
  a B minus over Jason Tatum. No, Well, I said, I
• 30:41
  said this a couple of weeks ago too, so I'm not new. Yeah
• 30:45
  yeah, yeah, yeah, I know. I know. I'm just saying.
• 30:48
  I'm just saying personally me right now. No, I wouldn't. Maybe
• 30:52
  next year, but I'm just going based off of this year, how this
• 30:56
  year has been going. I'll still have Tatum over and it could change whenby
• 31:00
  he could go into the top ten. That's what I'm saying. I'm just
• 31:03
  saying as of right now, That's that's what i'd say. Oh wait,
• 31:10
  I forgot about Kobe White. My bad, I forgot about Kobe White.
• 31:12
  I'll desumu uh Taylor and Terry Nicole of LUs taking mar De Rozan over Jason
• 31:18
  Tatum, you're taking You're taking the modern MJ taking the legend. I'm just
• 31:27
  kidding. I'm not doing that. No, But is there anything else you
• 31:30
  want to say about this finals matchup before we I know we're going to talk
• 31:37
  about it more. I know we're going to talk about it more. Damn.
• 31:45
  I kind of feel like we cover We've covered so much over the last
• 31:47
  couple of weeks and this it's kind of hard to pull more topics out of
• 31:51
  this, Like, yeah, we squeezed all the topics out. Celtics have
• 31:55
  walked the the easiest path, and the Mavericks have gone through hell and everybody
• 32:00
  wins. Actually, actually we haven't brought it up yet. I know we've
• 32:05
  brought it up off here. But as far as Kyrie going back to Boston,
• 32:09
  Oh okay, I don't know if you feel like that's that's a big
• 32:15
  story storyline right there, and how much that pens a factory to him slipping
• 32:20
  off fans and doing the ashes around and getting the bad juju away from the
• 32:23
  Celtics court. The little essence that he was doing. I think there is
• 32:28
  a storyline there because he said, yo, I'll be back, bro never
• 32:31
  went back. I don't know if you saw whenever he was on the nets
• 32:37
  and he was what's the mascot's name, Lucky when he stomped on Lucky.
• 32:42
  Oh yeah, yeah, it was a mask. There's no love there.
• 32:45
  I saw someone put I put that that they're like that fake ass Kyrie Irving,
• 32:49
  nice guy bullshit is about to get called out in this in this finals
• 32:53
  because y'all he really had y'all fulled this whole season. Yeah, no,
• 32:58
  for real, He's about to go demon demon mode. Honestly, I think
• 33:00
  Kyrie he has to be great in this series in order for them to win.
• 33:05
  But we're about to see Uncle Drew. I think Kyrie he's gonna have
• 33:08
  to get into his twenty sixteen caval Laders bag. No, we're about to
• 33:14
  see a different guy. I think he's been holding back. He doesn't turn
• 33:16
  it on to the second half. I think he's about to show something different.
• 33:22
  I I don't know. It's just so tough for me. I'm again.
• 33:27
  I'm still picking the MAVs. It's just there's different matchup problems. And
• 33:30
  before anyone comes at me, I am not going for the Mavericks. I
• 33:35
  just think they're gonna win. I hate he's going for the Mavericks and the
• 33:38
  Mass fan stop. I'm gonna get you a Luka Doncics Jersey. That's what
• 33:44
  I'm gonna do. I will burn it. I will burn. I don't
• 33:46
  even I like Luca, but I hate the Mavericks. Yeah. See,
• 33:52
  you see, even Damien's agreeing with me. He's a mass fan. I'm
• 33:54
  telling you Jamien agreed with me too. He says he wants defensive potential,
• 33:58
  not that bump ass Jason Tatum. So he wants Rudy Gobert the potential.
• 34:07
  But if that give me Kat over Jason Tatum, Oh my goodness. I
• 34:12
  hated that. When it was like who do you want to start your franchise
• 34:15
  with, it was Karl Anthony Towns, mj or Lebron whenever he was in
• 34:19
  his rookie year. It was his rookie year. I don't remember that.
• 34:22
  That is a wild time to be alive. Then he was averaging like twenty
• 34:27
  three ten and ten and six something like that in his second year. Okay,
• 34:32
  which was crazy, serious question. If the Celtics don't win this year,
• 34:37
  Jason Tatum, there's not a number one on a championship team. I
• 34:43
  wouldn't say that. I'd well, how do you not say that? Sometimes
• 34:47
  you just can't get it done. There's nothing Okay, I'll say this.
• 34:52
  There's nothing wrong with them losing against Golden State in twenty twenty two. Yeah,
• 34:58
  twenty twenty two. That's defending as experience whatever. This would be a
• 35:02
  mark on your legacy, no question. I say, you'd have to give
• 35:07
  it another get go at it. That's that's just me. Though, even
• 35:10
  with all the conference finals they've been to. Way you you cut out on
• 35:15
  me, So I didn't hear what you said. I said, even with
• 35:19
  all the conference finals they've been to. Yeah, even with all the conference
• 35:22
  finals they've been to. I don't know. I personally don't think right now
• 35:25
  he's a number one on a championship team. I think he's a number I
• 35:30
  don't mind. I get that is a number two on a championship team.
• 35:34
  But he's a damn good player. There's nothing wrong. I mean, he's
• 35:38
  not Jayson Tatum is not Kyrie's level. I think, like all time.
• 35:42
  No, I don't think he'll ever. I don't. I just think Carry
• 35:44
  Irving's so good. But I think we think Carrier Irving won't can't be a
• 35:47
  number one on a championship team. Also, but yeah, I get you,
• 35:52
  that makes sense. It's just Jason Tatum. When you argue him against
• 35:58
  any other player in the NBA outside of those four players that I mentioned,
• 36:01
  he matches up with them really well, you know what I mean. He
• 36:07
  he does as far as just anything all the way from dribbling the basketball,
• 36:12
  passing to perimeter defense and interior defense. He's he's a B B plus at
• 36:19
  everything. So defense, I'll say that defense. That's it for now.
• 36:28
  The offensive season, the way he went at the end of the season on
• 36:30
  offense, scary hours, scary hours. No, no, it was no
• 36:35
  question, no question. But we'll just have to see. We'll just have
• 36:37
  to wait and see. No, but next great, he's a forward,
• 36:46
  right, yeah, he's a forward. Yeah. Point guard? Oh,
• 36:50
  point guard. I don't know why I was thinking of the one on the
• 36:53
  Miami Heat Nicola Nikola Jovis Jovich, Yeah, Jovich, Dude, I wanted
• 37:01
  I wanted the Spurs to drive him so bad. But they took a They
• 37:06
  took a was it malt Kay Brandam or or Blake Wesley over him? It
• 37:14
  was one of the two, and I was like, so heated. Damn,
• 37:16
  that's all time fumble. Oh really May Brandam solid? Now he is
• 37:22
  Blake Wesley. Blake Wesley's getting there. He played some good defense this year.
• 37:25
  Offensively, I don't know, but defensively he's pretty good. He's there,
• 37:30
  Yeah, dude, No, okay, let me tell you a story.
• 37:32
  I went to see him him play the Timberwolves, right, yeah,
• 37:37
  Bro missed. Bro played great defense. Bro, Bro got like steals and
• 37:42
  was running fast breaks. Dude missed like two layups and he got a rim
• 37:45
  stuff by the goal and dude didn't due took like and he played like he
• 37:52
  played like twenty three minutes. Bro, he played like twenty three minutes in
• 37:55
  this game. Guess how many points he scored? Zero one point one point
• 38:02
  because he made one free throw and missed the other one. Bro's out there
• 38:06
  looking like Tony Snell. Crazy. Dang. I don't even think he had
• 38:13
  an assist either. I don't even think he had an assist the whole game
• 38:15
  yep, that's Tony Snell right there. You're just describing Tony Snell right there,
• 38:20
  Bulls legend, Bulls and Bucks legend. Man. No, but did
• 38:24
  you want to go and get into this tier list right here? Yeah,
• 38:28
  let's do it all right. So for anybody who's listening right now, I
• 38:32
  know we're not going to be able to show it. Maybe just the people
• 38:36
  on twitch and YouTube they could see this, but we're doing a tier list
• 38:39
  as far as for NBA Finals matchups from two thousand all the way to twenty
• 38:45
  twenty two. So there's an S tier, which is obviously the best,
• 38:50
  and then you have the F which is which is du dooo. So all
• 38:54
  right, let me go in and share my screen and put this on there.
• 38:59
  So did you want to start in reverse order or did you want to
• 39:02
  start in the two thousands? Mm hmm. Let's start the Soonest? Okay,
• 39:12
  So the Soonest the Golden State Warriors versus the Boston Celtics, which they
• 39:16
  won in six games, I believe. Yeah, they don't have the Nuggets
• 39:20
  on here yet. The Nuggets change have the Nuggets on here yet. Okay,
• 39:27
  So in my opinion, this one wasn't bad. This one wasn't bad,
• 39:31
  but it wasn't all time, It wasn't memorable. Yeah, I'd say
• 39:37
  it made made like a B, Like what's the what's the A, B,
• 39:43
  C D? What's the things? It's s A, B, C
• 39:49
  D and F. Okay see let's see. Yeah, I was about to
• 39:54
  say I would agree with the C. Here. Okay. So next one,
• 40:00
  the Milwaukee Bucks versus the Phoenix Suns, which the Bucks they won,
• 40:04
  Yiannis dropped a fifty point game. I'll get this. I'll get this second
• 40:08
  year. This is a solid B. This is a solid bee. Man.
• 40:15
  I hate that these ads keep showing up. Wait, how did A
• 40:20
  and B switch? Oh? There it goes? Okay, yeah, that
• 40:24
  easily has to be a bee. All right. Now, the one that's
• 40:28
  probably the most controversial the Bubble Championship Lakers beating the Heat. Honestly, I
• 40:37
  think this is good hoops right here, and a this is good hoops right
• 40:39
  here, one on one basketball, no fans, who wants it more?
• 40:45
  Away from your family living in a hotel. I get there was a nice
• 40:51
  hotel, but you're out of your comfort zone on this one. I'll give
• 40:53
  it to him. Say yeah, I say, B. Well, okay,
• 41:01
  boy, it is. Boy, it is just finals matchups. Though.
• 41:07
  It's the Heat versus the Lakers, which they won in five. Oh
• 41:12
  right, yeah, the matchup wasn't favorable for the Heat at all. Okay,
• 41:16
  so it's maybe c at best realistically because the Lakers just steamroll them.
• 41:22
  That's that's my thinking. That's my thinking, because at least the Bucks,
• 41:29
  I think, if I'm not mistaken, the Suns were up too old,
• 41:31
  said they so they had to climb back. Even the Warriors they were down
• 41:37
  what was it two to one something like that. So yeah, I don't
• 41:44
  know. I'm thinking I'll let you, I'll let you grade this one here.
• 41:46
  I'll let you have DIBs on this one here, f all right.
• 41:52
  I can't be mad at it, honestly. Oh no, that one.
• 41:55
  Oh I thought we're greating that one. Oh I thought we were greating the
• 41:58
  next one. Oh no, put that one back, got where it was?
• 42:00
  Oh at ce okay, okay, Kawhi Leonard Raptors Championship versus the Warriors,
• 42:09
  Mickey Mouse Championship. Mickey Mouse Championship didn't play Draymond or kad in this
• 42:17
  one. Let's just give him the f Kickwalk Championship I'm not gonna argue with
• 42:23
  you here. I'd probably say a C. But I'm not gonna argue.
• 42:29
  All right, the twenty eighteen finals Kaz versus Warriors A J. R.
• 42:32
  Smith, I'm not gonna lie just from just from that moment right there,
• 42:37
  it has to be a C or B. I'm not gonna lie for the
• 42:42
  memories. For the memories, Yeah, I think, what do you think
• 42:45
  in C R B? I'm thinking more B here, I'm thinking more B
• 42:50
  also. Okay, yeah, no, the memories in this it was just
• 42:53
  iconic. I still I don't know why. Still, every time this is
• 42:59
  brought up, nobody ever talks about George Hill missing that free though. Nobody
• 43:04
  ever talks about that, and that would have been Lebron's best game. I
• 43:10
  think it was like fifty one, eight and eight something like that. No,
• 43:15
  but all all right, Kd's first championship with the Warriors versus the Cavs.
• 43:24
  I'm thinking territory D. Yeah, I was thinking D or C because
• 43:30
  I don't know, he just kind of it was just too easy to champions.
• 43:36
  Really pissed off. Okay, this one's pretty easy. Twenty sixteen Calves
• 43:43
  and Warriors or S tier right, this is s tier here had it all
• 43:51
  Cleveland. This is for you, every every single game, even though there
• 43:57
  was a couple of blowouts to Iconic Iconic, it was like Equadllar block everything,
• 44:04
  everything was there. Kyrie Irving shot, there's there's no misses. Okay,
• 44:08
  Steph Curry's first championship with the Warriors. Calves, Yeah, Calves and
• 44:14
  Warriors. Yeah. This is where Kevin lov and Kyrie Irving was hurt.
• 44:19
  Yeah, but it still wins six games. It did. I'll give it
• 44:22
  a beat. I'll give it the second tier because I don't know if you
• 44:27
  remember those moments where people were wondering if Matthew della Vadova was a Curry stopper.
• 44:31
  I remember that vividly. I remember that vividly, them saying, all
• 44:37
  right, you know what, I'm not even gonna say this next tier.
• 44:40
  Tier. I'm not even gonna say this tier. The comeback, the four
• 44:45
  to one, the dominance that they put over the Miami Heat with Chris Bosh,
• 44:50
  Dwayne Wade, the defending champions, the redemption story, seventy International Team,
• 45:00
  most beautiful game of basketball we have ever seen, the biggest win margin
• 45:04
  in NBA history, The twenty fourteen, San Antonio Spurs get the S tier
• 45:09
  baby. Okay, But as as far as finals matchup, though this was
• 45:15
  number one, number one, it was number one versus number one once team
• 45:20
  wanted it more. Okay, if we're if we're doing that, then we
• 45:23
  have to put the Cavs and Warriors one higher. The first KD Championship,
• 45:30
  no, because it was just a storyline. The storyline in this one was
• 45:34
  like they're meeting back up against each other because that we're gonna get to.
• 45:37
  I think that. I think this other one is still gonna be S tier
• 45:40
  the one after this one. Yeah, yeah, well we do that one.
• 45:45
  It's pretty and I hate that one. That one boils my soul till
• 45:50
  the day I die. I I think this is more a B A tier.
• 45:58
  But we could go back and great in this second. We go back
• 46:00
  and grade in the second. Put it in the ahn. Put it in
• 46:04
  the ahn. Okay out. The storylines so indecisive. The storylines were definitely
• 46:10
  there, They were definitely there. But this one, right here, on
• 46:15
  this one, right here, I will put S tier. I hate it
• 46:19
  so much. Game seven, twenty twenty thirteen. The shot by Ray Allen
• 46:24
  Game six. Game six was a shot by Ray Allen. Yeah, yeah,
• 46:29
  No, I meant it went to games. It went all the way
• 46:30
  to seven games. Lebron hit a yeah because they were up ninety to eighty
• 46:35
  eight, and Lebron like a MIDI. I talk about he hit a midi.
• 46:38
  It was his second championship back to back beat the Spurs. Like,
• 46:46
  Damon doesn't realate this is a bias podcast, he said, Bro is biased.
• 46:51
  I am Damon. I hate to break it to you, this is
• 46:55
  a bias podcast. This is are your second time saying it for probably gonna
• 47:00
  say it another two times. All right, This one right here, the
• 47:06
  Heat and the Thunder, Lebron winning his first championship. I'll give it a
• 47:10
  c. He wins his first, but the Thunder was just too young for
• 47:15
  this matchup. Okay, I'm I'm gonna just give you a quick factor.
• 47:19
  You know the Thunder that were a favorite in this series. I don't know
• 47:22
  if you knew that. I didn't know that. I don't I didn't remember
• 47:24
  that. All right, This one as far as just pure storylines, right
• 47:30
  here, Dirk davink it, okay, it's an s t here because it
• 47:40
  win six games and then it was the most improbable run. I think you
• 47:45
  can't talk about you can't talk about Justice Justice Finals matchup without without mentioning all
• 47:52
  the other stuff that Dirk went through. What's next, baby, what's next?
• 47:58
  It's the Kobe Bryant back to back against the Boston Celtics Game seven.
• 48:01
  I feel like this is S tier, but I feel like this one S
• 48:06
  tier took down, took down the big three, the biggest yappers of all
• 48:09
  time after one championship. Yep, I'll give the S tier. I'll give
• 48:16
  the or I'll give a let's give an a right there, how about that?
• 48:20
  Or okay, let me let me try back to back? Yeah,
• 48:24
  okay, it was. It was back to back, but it was a
• 48:28
  close ass series. Even the Game seven was close. Mm hmm. All
• 48:34
  right, this next one, Kobe Bryant and the Lakers versus the Magic,
• 48:39
  I feel a c Yeah, let's see her. It's your d I mean,
• 48:44
  Jimmy and Nelson and Rashaw Lewis were number two and three heat at Turk
• 48:46
  Lou. It just wasn't jj Reddick. Baby, it just doesn't scream dominance
• 48:53
  to me. You know, like you you you were supposed to win this
• 48:57
  one. Yeah, exactly, yeah, all right, So yeah, let's
• 49:00
  put this as a C right here, all right. Next one, the
• 49:05
  Boston Celtics first championship, super team that anything is possible, meme. I
• 49:12
  think this has to be the old heads each old heads coming together. I
• 49:19
  think this may be a B or A. I'm not gonna earn be.
• 49:23
  Okay. The only reason I'm saying B is because they had a symbol this
• 49:29
  team. Yeah, he only won one championship for this, I don't know,
• 49:34
  like they had the hype. They didn't live up to it. I
• 49:37
  think I guess we're just off this single season maybe single season. Yeah,
• 49:42
  it's a B. I think it's a B. But okay, I'll say
• 49:45
  this, that Celtics championship. I wouldn't put it above or on the same
• 49:49
  level as a twenty fourteen Spurs or the twenty ten Kobe Bryant. I wouldn't
• 49:53
  play on that level. Yeah, I wouldn't put it on that. Okay.
• 49:59
  The Spur this was their third championship. Yeah, the third championship versus
• 50:02
  I can give I'll give it that seven. Yeah, it was ever the
• 50:08
  Spurs were just too much of already a dynasty. They played the twenty twenty
• 50:15
  twenty two old Lebron twenty two to twenty three year old Lebron against dere algalic.
• 50:21
  I mean it's not their fault. They've matched up against the West the
• 50:23
  week as Eastern Conference, but yeah, they dominated them for h all right,
• 50:30
  this is the only sweep, one of the only sweeps in the NBA
• 50:31
  Finals, right, I believe I think that two thousand and one. It
• 50:39
  may be close the two thousand or the two thousand and two, but the
• 50:43
  Sixers got one all the six No, no, no, not the Sixers.
• 50:46
  I'm talking about the Pacers and the Nets. I think those might have
• 50:51
  been sag Yeah. But all right, the two thousand and six Miami Heat
• 50:55
  versus the Dallas Mavericks. This one's tough because there's memories, but it's not
• 51:04
  great memories. They're just like, oh, yeah, that's nice. Derek
• 51:08
  was still coming up, you know. I mean Derek was already Yeah,
• 51:12
  here's already a superstar. Yeah yeah, eight years in. But Shaq winning
• 51:16
  without Kobe maybe, but he won with Dwayne Wade. Dwayne Wade's first how
• 51:21
  young he was when he won? Maybe a c B. I'll give it
• 51:25
  a se Let's put it in the sea tier. Okay, Oh no,
• 51:30
  wait, let me see if we could fit Okay, we could fit more.
• 51:32
  Okay. I thought that was a certain gap for the Tears. All
• 51:37
  right. So this one's a two thousand and five San Antonio Spurs versus the
• 51:42
  Pistons. This one went game seven defensive battle. The Spurs be the defending
• 51:49
  champs who just beat the Lakers the year before. I'm Parker, go ahead,
• 51:58
  go ahead, you good god, par establishing themselves. I'm gonna give
• 52:01
  it a bee mm hmm. Okay, I'm gonna say this. I'm gonna
• 52:06
  give it a beat just based off the names that were in it. And
• 52:09
  then it was a game seven. But I'm not gonna lie. There was
• 52:13
  no aura, like real shit, there there wasn't. There wasn't like this.
• 52:17
  There wasn't this like holy crap, like you remember that moment right there.
• 52:22
  You remember two thousand and five the finals. No you don't, honestly
• 52:28
  you don't. All right, this one right here, which you kind of
• 52:32
  mentioned the two thousand and four yeah, two thousand, Yeah, this one's
• 52:39
  a beating the Lakers who were trying to go for this was a four No
• 52:46
  the Spurs, oh yeah, yeah, okay, or they were trying to
• 52:52
  go four four and five years, four and five years. That's what they
• 52:55
  were trying to do, all right. So this one, the next or
• 53:00
  the next one, it's Duncan Spurs versus the New Jersey Nets. Duncan basically
• 53:06
  gets it called druple double to steal the deal. David Robinson's last one on
• 53:09
  the way out. But the thing is, the thing is people don't realize
• 53:15
  David Robinson only averaged eight points this whole season. Tim Duncan was carrying this
• 53:19
  basketball team, bro Tim Duncan, Prime Tim Duncan in this year, MVP
• 53:22
  Duncan. He was going crazy, I'm giving this, ah man, it's
• 53:28
  beer A. I think I'm giving it beer A. I just think he
• 53:30
  knocked off Richard Jefferson, Kevin Martin, Jason Kidd. He they were good
• 53:37
  players at that time. They were a solid team. They were in the
• 53:38
  championship the year before. They just you know, it's just what do you
• 53:45
  think? What do you what's your opinion on here? I'm thinking I'm thinking
• 53:50
  of Bee, That's what I'm thinking. You'd have to put it at the
• 53:52
  same level as a Pistons. That's what I'm gonna have to say. All
• 54:00
  right. This next one, the Lakers versus the New Jersey Nets again where
• 54:06
  I believe the Lakers they swept them. I think d D. Honestly,
• 54:15
  I'm looking at some of the seatsier. I don't think the Kobe Bryant Magic
• 54:20
  or Kobe Bryant versus The Magic is a seatier. I think that one movie.
• 54:24
  That's what I'm looking at. I keep looking at that one. Okay,
• 54:30
  this one, the infamous one right here, A w aura A tier,
• 54:39
  I say a tier. I'm not not as because the matchup wasn't fair,
• 54:43
  but like the memories from this moment is insane. Okay, Now let
• 54:50
  me go back for the last one, or the first one, Reggie Miller
• 54:54
  and the Pacers versus the Los Angeles Lakers. Honestly, this one's a ciar
• 55:00
  or d tier at best. I'm not gonna lie because this one wasn't close
• 55:08
  at all. Do you think the oh, never mind, do I think
• 55:14
  what with the Spurs versus Nets? I want to say it was the Nets.
• 55:19
  The Spurs I believe swept the Lakers to get to the championship. They
• 55:25
  did, I know, they beat them pretty decisively or was it another year?
• 55:30
  I think it might have been the Kobe year, one of the Kobe
• 55:31
  years. I think that had to be the Kobe year by himself. Oh
• 55:36
  maybe I don't remember. I know they beat maybe two thousand and five.
• 55:38
  It had to be five somewhere around that. Okay, So for our tier
• 55:45
  list or let do you see anything that looks like it needs to be changed?
• 55:52
  Honestly, no, I think this is probably like a solid list right
• 55:55
  here. I think I think this is a solid list right here. So
• 56:00
  let's go. Let's go ahead and list it out. So I'll let you
• 56:05
  list to S tier right here. I'll let you listen to s tiers right
• 56:07
  here, Josh S tier. We got I'm not gonna say the year,
• 56:14
  but we got the three to one come back for the Lebron versus Warriors.
• 56:17
  We got the Ray Allens hitting the three pointer to beat the Spurs. And
• 56:22
  then we got that boy Dirk finally getting one over the stacked Miami Heat basketball
• 56:30
  team and their first year together. Yeah. So this next one right here,
• 56:35
  which is a a tier just a little bit below, twenty fourteen Spurs
• 56:39
  twenty ten Lakers going back to back, oh four Pistons beating the Lakers,
• 56:45
  and then you have the Allen Iverson Finals versus the Lakers, and oh one,
• 56:49
  then you got the beat tier. This one I could I could barely
• 56:53
  see. Did you want me to list this one? We got? We
• 56:57
  got the Bucks finally winning one with Wwaukee beating the Phoenix Suns. And then
• 57:01
  we got the j R. Smith Mishap Finals with the Cleveland versus Golden State.
• 57:09
  We got Golden State winning their first one against Cleveland. We got the
• 57:15
  Big Three Paul Pierce, Ray, Allen and KG beating the Lakers, plus
• 57:22
  Roger Rondo if you want to throw them in there. And then you got
• 57:24
  the Spurs versus the Pistons and the probably greatest defensive battle in finals history.
• 57:31
  And then we got the Mets versus Spurs, Tim Duncans quadruple double. All
• 57:39
  right, yeah, then the seatier we have here is the twenty twenty two
• 57:44
  NBA Finals, Steph winning his first Finals MVP the Bubble for the Lakers.
• 57:50
  In twenty twenty, Lebron winning his first championship against OKC and Shaq, winning
• 57:55
  his first championship without Kobe and O six. Well that was his last championship.
• 58:05
  So oh yeah, that that was his last championship. Well, first
• 58:09
  without Kobe last championship, same thing. And then D tier we got what
• 58:15
  is that one, that's a that's a KD. Yeah, that's a KD.
• 58:22
  Oh oh yeah, that's first year KD ruined basketball low key Championship.
• 58:28
  And then we got we got the Nets versus Lakers. Yeah, play self
• 58:32
  explanatory. And then we got the We got the Lakers Kobe Bryant versus the
• 58:38
  Orlando Magic led by Dwight Howard, Jimmy or Neilson, Rasharl Lewis, Hito
• 58:44
  Turkulu, jj Reddick, you know the deal that don't sound right, that
• 58:47
  does sound right at all? All right, we got the F tier right
• 58:52
  here, which is the twenty nineteen Toronto Raptors versus the Golden State Warriors.
• 58:59
  Oh, Evans Spurs versus Calves Lebron's first finals. Then you got the Lakers
• 59:05
  versus the Pacers their first finals victory. So yeah, I like this list
• 59:12
  right here. I think this is a pretty good list, And now that
• 59:15
  I'm looking at it, with Lebron having two S Tier finals wins, that
• 59:22
  definitely does boost his legacy up a lot. YEP, this is coming from
• 59:27
  a Lebron fan. Yeah, this is this is coming from a Lebron fan
• 59:34
  right here. So with him being in these finals where they're all time classics,
• 59:40
  it makes it way easier to put him up there for goat territory.
• 59:45
  But you gotta say anything else before we transition. Let's get into the good
• 59:53
  old grid Iron baby, Yes, sir? Well, all right, so
• 59:58
  we haven't talked NFL ever since the draft, so that's been about a month
• 1:00:01
  or so, but with some news coming out as far as with the schedule
• 1:00:07
  and some contracts that have been signed, we're gonna talk about it just a
• 1:00:10
  little bit. And this one that pretty much is gonna shake up the whole
• 1:00:15
  wide receiver market is justin Jefferson resigning with the Vikings four year, one hundred
• 1:00:22
  and forty million dollar deal. Eighty eight million duets signing one hundred and ten
• 1:00:27
  million guaranteed. That's thirty five million a year annually. How do you feel
• 1:00:31
  about this one, Josh? Not only that he's the highest played paid non
• 1:00:37
  quarterback in NFL history. Yeah that's who. Yeah, dude's getting getting a
• 1:00:42
  bag. But you know what it's gonna do. It's gonna change the landscape
• 1:00:45
  of everything. It's gonna change the landscape of how people get paid in the
• 1:00:47
  wide receiver market. There was a lot of speculation about maybe wide receivers are
• 1:00:52
  gonna getaid as much, just how much talent is coming out at the wide
• 1:00:53
  receiver position. Looks like that's not happening any time soon. We saw aminro
• 1:00:59
  get paid. Now we see Justin Jefferson get paid even more. And you
• 1:01:04
  know what that's gonna do, sadly for you, Ceede Lamb's gonna take a
• 1:01:07
  lot of your cap space, baby, Ceedee Lamb is gonna take a whole
• 1:01:09
  lot of that Dallas Cowboy cat space after this, After this deal, Jamar
• 1:01:15
  Chase is about to take a whole lot of cap space for the Cincinnati Bengals
• 1:01:19
  because these guys are gonna want to get paid either more or right there next
• 1:01:23
  to next to Justin Jefferson, the best wide receiver in the NFL. And
• 1:01:28
  then I also believe Tyreek Hill may come around and ask for some more money.
• 1:01:30
  Also, Yeah, I think it's been broken ever since. I don't
• 1:01:36
  know if it was DeAndre Hopkins. Yeah, it was DeAndre Hopkins because he
• 1:01:39
  went up to twenty seven million year with Christian Kirk. Christian Kirk, Christian
• 1:01:44
  Kirk, that's what it was. It was Christian Kirk because he got twenty
• 1:01:46
  million a year out of nowhere, out of nowhere. It was out of
• 1:01:49
  nowhere. They overpaid the hell out of him. I don't think they overpaid
• 1:01:53
  him. He's kind of lived up to his contract a little bit. Last
• 1:01:57
  year he had off, but I think the whole Jaguars had an off year.
• 1:02:00
  But I think whenever the time was signed in three years, the time
• 1:02:04
  was crazy. The time was crazy. At the time, he was crazy.
• 1:02:07
  Now you're looking at it, it's like, Okay, that's good for
• 1:02:10
  a number two friends type of receiver, twenty twenty million dollars. But all
• 1:02:15
  I'm saying is that I'm glad. I'm glad this happened because all these wide
• 1:02:21
  receivers they deserve their money. And I'm gonna say something that may be controversial.
• 1:02:25
  Seed's gonna get paid more than Justin Jefferson. He is, I'm not
• 1:02:30
  I'm not surprised by that, and okay, more than Patrick Mahomes. Okay,
• 1:02:36
  And I'll say this because ceedee lamb, he's gonna do exactly this.
• 1:02:39
  I know it may not look or when you think about it, look at
• 1:02:44
  the stats between Justin Jefferson, don't CD, LAMB, don't don't do No.
• 1:02:49
  No, let's let's look at it. Let's just look at it as
• 1:02:52
  far as I'm gonna listen this first than Justin Jefferson. No, I'm let
• 1:02:57
  me listen to you. Let me listen to you, let me, let
• 1:02:59
  me speak, let me speak. Okay, sixty six to sixty games played.
• 1:03:04
  Okay. Receptions three ninety five for CD, three ninety two for Justin
• 1:03:08
  Jefferson. Then receiving yards where obviously has advantage Justin Jefferson, he has five
• 1:03:15
  eight hundred and ninety nine. CD has five one forty five yards per reception
• 1:03:21
  CED thirteen Justin Jefferson, fifteen reception touchdowns CED thirty two Justin Jefferson, thirty
• 1:03:28
  rushing the temps forty three for CD, twelve for Justin Jefferson. Rushing yards
• 1:03:32
  three eighteen to twenty eight, then three Russian touchdowns for CD, one for
• 1:03:38
  Justin Jefferson, prom return yards thirty eight to zero, prom return net rating
• 1:03:44
  yards three hundred and eleven to zero. So they're not gonna play Justin Jefferson
• 1:03:49
  to return funds, even if you go fantasy points three eight or seven eighty
• 1:03:54
  three to seven sixty. So that's a twenty played eight season, eight games
• 1:04:01
  this year and still had the highest averages in the NFL. It's only a
• 1:04:05
  six it as far as with all ye Justin Jefferson missing nine games for Justin
• 1:04:14
  Jefferson is a lot of a lot of time for him. Okay, then
• 1:04:17
  you could then you could say this, So CD, he has played six
• 1:04:20
  more games, but he went through almost an entire season with Cooper Rush and
• 1:04:26
  with Andy Dalton compared to just season with Wick Mullins, with Kirk Cousins.
• 1:04:34
  No, no, no, no, no, no. Kirk Cousins his
• 1:04:38
  first four years, his first four years was there just force feeding him the
• 1:04:43
  ball compared to CD, where he didn't get that luxury because Amari Cooper were
• 1:04:47
  there and Michael Gallup were more established. I'm not saying he's a better wide
• 1:04:50
  receiver football. No, he's not afraid to throw the football. He just
• 1:04:58
  threw. That's why I des Bryant didn't last with with mister Dakota over that
• 1:05:03
  was a whole different situation. Nah, that was a whole different situation there.
• 1:05:10
  That was what the jones is right there, that was what the Joneses.
• 1:05:13
  Dak had nothing to do with that right there. No, But okay,
• 1:05:16
  he will get paid more because that's how the market works. Someone sets
• 1:05:19
  the bar, you go over the bar. Obviously. Yeah, but okay,
• 1:05:26
  I'm not saying we're not getting into the debate who's better, because I
• 1:05:29
  know who's better better, But contract wise, he will go above because that's
• 1:05:34
  just how it works. Patrick Mahomes set the bar. He was the highest
• 1:05:38
  paid. Look at it now, he's nowhere near the highest paid quarterback in
• 1:05:41
  the NFL. So it's kinda but if we're looking at talent wise, there's
• 1:05:46
  no one close in the same stratosphere as Patrick Mahomes. But the way contracts
• 1:05:53
  work is someone someone sets the bar. You you try jumping over that bar.
• 1:05:58
  And that's what see Lamb's gonna try to Jamar Chase. Jamar Chase is
• 1:06:00
  in that conversation. I I just think, because who was the last big
• 1:06:05
  wide receiver to get paid? I'm unraw, right, but he was only
• 1:06:10
  getting thirty flat. He was getting thirty flat correct, No double check like
• 1:06:14
  thirty two thirty two, because I think just Jefferson is getting thirty five,
• 1:06:16
  right, yeah, justin Jefferson, he's getting to the sun. God baby,
• 1:06:20
  you know late round pick. You know, good looking guy, cool
• 1:06:27
  name, double name. You know dad was mister Olympia, speaks two language,
• 1:06:34
  speaks three languages. You know, has a brother in the NFL,
• 1:06:40
  also light skin. You know him, he just he just has it all.
• 1:06:47
  You know. He's just a really good NFL receiver, probably some of
• 1:06:53
  the up there with some of the best hands. Probably top three, top
• 1:06:58
  four route runner in the entire NFL. You know, just a great guy,
• 1:07:02
  solid individual, has his own podcast. He's just like us for real.
• 1:07:06
  You know, Oh guy what and he's about to be a star on
• 1:07:12
  Netflix Wide Receiver one. You know, it's just what can we say?
• 1:07:15
  You know, like he just he has aura. If there's a guy that
• 1:07:18
  had aura, it would be a Saint Brown. Can you breathe? Can?
• 1:07:26
  Are you able to breathe? Now? Well? I wish I could
• 1:07:29
  have it, Rashi Rice, but you know that shit can't work right now.
• 1:07:30
  You know, I'm not going to finish my sentence, but I'm glad
• 1:07:34
  you could breathe now. I know there's a lot of sucking going on right
• 1:07:39
  there. I know there's a lot going on right there, but I'm just
• 1:07:43
  I'm just glad you could breathe now. But maybe he said no, but
• 1:07:55
  I would ron he was getting paid thirty million a year. Thirty million a
• 1:08:00
  year. So that's what I hate is that CD or the Cowboys, they
• 1:08:05
  waited with CD for Justin Jefferson to get paid. You can't wait that long
• 1:08:09
  to pay super stars. It just can't do it, exactly. You have
• 1:08:12
  to be ahead of the market. And all I'm just saying is that let
• 1:08:16
  Miles Garrett, TJ. Watt or any of these other guys get paid before
• 1:08:20
  Micah Parsons, the Cowboys are really gonna be fucked. Like imagine if the
• 1:08:25
  Okay, imagine that the Chiefs waited till Mahomes got to his last year of
• 1:08:29
  his rookie deal to pay him. They signed him two years into his rookie
• 1:08:31
  They just two years until saw will They saw one year and they're like,
• 1:08:35
  nah, this dude's getting fifty. They're like, yeah, no way,
• 1:08:39
  we're giving it. We're giving him this ten year contract. Bro, Yeah,
• 1:08:45
  that's every team. You need to do this. Then, yeah,
• 1:08:47
  every team needs to do that. I've never understood that. But the Cowboys
• 1:08:51
  and Joe Burrow, I think Josh Allen might have got that same kind not
• 1:08:55
  that he had a six year deal like three years in But that's kind of
• 1:08:59
  normal, honestly. Yeah, yeah, that's normal right there. Look what
• 1:09:01
  they did with Jordan Love too, so oh yeah. But all I'm just
• 1:09:06
  saying is that the Bengals and the Cowboys. I know I might be forgetting
• 1:09:12
  in some other teams, but those two teams are going to be screwed because
• 1:09:16
  you're having to pay your quarterback over fifty five million, and you're gonna have
• 1:09:19
  to pay your receiver over thirty five Minutually, the Niners are gonna have to
• 1:09:24
  answer for Purty, so yeah, and then they're gonna have to get rid
• 1:09:29
  of it. And they just signed Christian McCaffrey and they're still trying to They're
• 1:09:32
  still trying to sign Ayuk. Ayuk wants a big deal now with this because
• 1:09:40
  if I'm Brandon Nyuk, you see, I'm on raw. He gets paid
• 1:09:44
  thirty million a year. You see Justin Jefferson get paid thirty five You could
• 1:09:47
  reasonably ask in between the thirty and thirty five million. You could ask right
• 1:09:51
  there, which it sounds crazy, but Ayuk, he's one of the better
• 1:09:58
  receivers in the league. I'm not just off the top of my head.
• 1:10:02
  I think he's a top twelve receiver. He has to be. Yeah,
• 1:10:06
  yeah, he's up there. Yeah, he's up there, top twelve.
• 1:10:11
  Yeah, so's he's only going to be getting paid that much. But like
• 1:10:15
  you said, McCaffrey, he got paid. What's another thing that we're going
• 1:10:18
  to bring up. He got a two year, thirty one million dollar deal.
• 1:10:21
  Nineteen million a year. Wayne said, not top twelve. You know
• 1:10:28
  what, let's go through it. He said, is not top twelve?
• 1:10:31
  What OHNs listening? I was like, what are you talking about right now?
• 1:10:39
  Bro? Okay, I'm on raw CD, Justin Jefferson, Jamar Chase.
• 1:10:47
  Then you have I know I'm going blank right now. But Tyreek Hill,
• 1:10:55
  Tyreek Hill, Davante Adams, that's six right there. Aj Brown on
• 1:11:01
  Cooper Cup, Jefon Diggs, Stephan Stephan Diggs. I wouldn't put Pooka in
• 1:11:09
  the top twelve yet, Damon, I wouldn't put Pooka up there. Darius
• 1:11:15
  Tony, Oh yeah, Michael Gallup, Jake Ferguson, how about Uh That's
• 1:11:25
  why I'm I'm going blank on players right now. I'm taking Devon Smith in
• 1:11:30
  front of Brandon ayuk Oh. I don't know about that one. That's not
• 1:11:33
  a bad take, that's not I understand that. I understand that Mike Evans.
• 1:11:38
  Mike Evans is top ten. Yeah, Mike Evans, Marvin Harrison junior,
• 1:11:43
  technically he would be. But I have Brand and right now I don't
• 1:11:50
  need to see a single game. I just need to see him. I
• 1:11:53
  just need him on the on my team. So I'm looking. I'm looking
• 1:11:57
  over every team right now, DK DK or Brandon Ayuk Brandon Nayuk am I
• 1:12:03
  think so. And I's getting that that may be the case. But you
• 1:12:11
  could say that with some other wide receivers too. Yeah. True, I'm
• 1:12:15
  looking at these. That's pretty much it, Jack warrensh do you it's not
• 1:12:21
  anymore. It's not crazy to say that he's a top twelve receiver. That's
• 1:12:26
  the thing. Now, it's arguable. It's arguable. So so I'm thinking,
• 1:12:31
  I'm thinking he's still could get paid anywhere from thirty to thirty five million.
• 1:12:36
  He's easily Brandon. No, you can Gary Wilson, Garret Wilson,
• 1:12:42
  or Brand. Okay, I'll take Garrett Wilson. I'll take Garrett Wilson over
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  Brandon Ayuk. I would do that because here Okay, honestly, Garrett Wilson
• 1:12:50
  brand Nay, that's tough. Talk about a guy that hasn't been used correctly.
• 1:12:56
  We're talking about Yeah, I know, we can't really base his his
• 1:13:01
  career of anything yet you know he dude hasn't even had a shot. Okay,
• 1:13:05
  stop, okay, that's crazy. Stop you You are not taking Brandon
• 1:13:11
  Cooks over Brandon Ayuk stop stop bro stop stop, that's that's crazy. Yeah.
• 1:13:15
  No, that's taking Brandon fell over both of them. Hell yeah,
• 1:13:21
  I'm taking what's his name? Hell yeah, Brandon Aubrey, mister butter.
• 1:13:30
  What's his name? Brandon Lockett from the Seattle Seahawks. I'm taking that dude,
• 1:13:40
  Chris over all of them. Chris Cardo Lockett or Brandon Lockett. I
• 1:13:45
  mixed. I think Chris Well, yeah, it is Ricardo Lockett. But
• 1:13:51
  I'm thinking of Chris Matthews. That's what I'm thinking of, Chris Matthews,
• 1:13:56
  the Seattle Seahawks receiver. No, but all right, let's go ahead and
• 1:14:02
  get into the NFL schedule. So we're not gonna break down every single game
• 1:14:09
  brand at yuk over resheet Rice. We're not taking or we're not going over
• 1:14:13
  every single game. We're just thinking or we're just gonna go over how this
• 1:14:18
  schedule is looking for each team and who could possibly have a bigger jump.
• 1:14:24
  So is there anything that you saw in this NFL schedule release that made you
• 1:14:29
  think different about any other team? No, I don't. I we said
• 1:14:33
  before the pot I talked about I don't view schedules as that crazy important because
• 1:14:39
  no team is the same team from last year unless you're the Kansas City Chiefs
• 1:14:42
  obviously, you know, so everyone else is just kind of like whatever.
• 1:14:47
  I don't. I just don't see it because even last year, the Chiefs
• 1:14:50
  going into this season had the most playoff teams to play against, But when
• 1:14:57
  they played against some of these teams they were they weren't at as good as
• 1:15:00
  they were the year before. And that's gonna happen with every team here.
• 1:15:01
  They're gonna be totally opposite or the same. So I can't really base any
• 1:15:05
  of this stuff on anything reality. I think something that stuck out to me
• 1:15:10
  is maybe I don't know like nothing. I just don't take schedule releases seriously.
• 1:15:15
  We're just pray. We're just talking about games we knew we're gonna happen
• 1:15:17
  over time, Like, we knew the Chiefs were gonna play either the Texans
• 1:15:20
  Ravens or someone like a major on the come up or like really good the
• 1:15:27
  first game of the season. We knew they were eventually. I knew they
• 1:15:29
  were eventually gonna play the Bengals Bills, Like, these guys are inevitable.
• 1:15:32
  You know that they're gonna get these matchups for the ratings. It's just and
• 1:15:34
  the Cowboys are gonna get all the primetime games of course, so it's kind
• 1:15:39
  of and the Chiefs like the name team, the main team. So I'm
• 1:15:42
  not really surprised by anything for schedules ever, So the only thing that's really
• 1:15:47
  popping out to me is that so three of these teams in the top five,
• 1:15:54
  the Falcons, Bears, and Jets, have some of the easiest schedules
• 1:15:59
  and the highest forecast wins as far as compared to last year. And I
• 1:16:04
  think that I think that it's gonna matter just for those teams right there.
• 1:16:12
  Okay, that's crazy, Damien, that's crazy. No, But the Jets
• 1:16:16
  they have a damn good shot of making the playoffs here, So with them
• 1:16:21
  having some of the easier schedule, them get into offensive. Lineman Olufashanu and
• 1:16:27
  then Aaron Rodgers right there, get another receiver, Mike Williams. You're gonna
• 1:16:31
  be able to ease into the season and by the time you make it into
• 1:16:35
  the playoffs, you'll be in full stride. And that goes the same thing
• 1:16:39
  with the rookie quarterback for the Chicago Bears, Caleb Williams. So's we're just
• 1:16:45
  going based off of paper. Obviously these teams could be tougher. These teams
• 1:16:48
  could be tougher than what they actually seem on paper. But easing into the
• 1:16:54
  regular season and just getting your feet wet and knowing I need to stop looking
• 1:17:01
  at the twitch coments. I need to stop looking at the stop stop stop
• 1:17:05
  bro. Yeah no, So that's my biggest thing. But as far as
• 1:17:15
  I'm going to say this, the teams in the NFC that are a threat,
• 1:17:19
  as far as the Niners, the Packers, Cowboys, and Lions and
• 1:17:25
  Eagles, they're all around that tier right there where it's all the middle of
• 1:17:29
  the pack. Falcons have the easiest schedule in the NFL and they've gone a
• 1:17:33
  whole lot better. I'm going to say the teams that have been in the
• 1:17:36
  playoffs consistently that's that happens. I think they're going to be scary next year.
• 1:17:43
  Yeah, I do think that the Packers are going to be scary.
• 1:17:45
  I can't wait till we drop our predictions as far as for I know we
• 1:17:48
  did early predictions. As far as for the regular season, I think the
• 1:17:54
  major change on the AFC side is just the Texans. Yeah, that's that's
• 1:18:00
  the major change. Yeah, because the Browns are going to be there,
• 1:18:04
  Ravens, Danielle Hunter, Stefan Diggs, Joe Mixon. You know, they
• 1:18:12
  they added some people they had, getting better, Will Anderson getting better Themiko
• 1:18:18
  with another year. Yeah, no, but it's it's definitely gonna be interesting.
• 1:18:24
  And I do think personally me, I do think strength to schedule it
• 1:18:28
  matters. Some teams. It doesn't matter. Like when you have a championship
• 1:18:32
  team, a team that's been there, like the Chiefs, for example,
• 1:18:35
  you have the best quarterback in the world, it's not gonna matter so much.
• 1:18:39
  But some of these other teams that are fringe teams like the Falcons,
• 1:18:44
  or you have like the Chicago Bears because they're unproven. Yeah, when you
• 1:18:49
  have these teams that have favorable schedules, they could take advantage of it,
• 1:18:55
  and compared to the teams that possibly have a worst schedule, like the Titans
• 1:18:59
  or the vik with now a rookie quarterback, or Sam Donold, the Patriots
• 1:19:02
  the Steelers, that that could be a big change right there. So that's
• 1:19:09
  the only reason why have you strength. The schedules important not necessarily for the
• 1:19:14
  great teams or the teams you expect to be there, but the teams who
• 1:19:16
  are kind of in the pack, you don't know how their season is gonna
• 1:19:19
  play out. Yeah. I think Damien said it right. He said,
• 1:19:23
  I think the early predictions are useless because after all the injuries and we breakouts
• 1:19:26
  and breakdowns, the schedule starts looking a lot different. That's why I don't
• 1:19:30
  care for schedule releases. Yeah, it's true. It's true because Joe Burrow
• 1:19:35
  last year was hurt, you know, so it's got hurt towards like last
• 1:19:41
  what nine games of the season. Yeah, and they start and what they
• 1:19:45
  start off as like win three something like that, something like that, they
• 1:19:50
  didn't start the season. I'm good at all. Yeah, Yeah, no,
• 1:19:55
  that's true. Man. I'm not gonna lie. I know we're not
• 1:19:59
  gonna talk fantasy yet, but I'm buying into the Bejon hype again, which
• 1:20:03
  for the right reasons, I don't care. Yeah, I don't care.
• 1:20:08
  I will draft Kyle Pitch this year also. I will draft Kyle I'm not
• 1:20:12
  gonna lie. I will draft Kyle Pits this year too. If he's if
• 1:20:15
  the bang for the buck is good, if the round is looking quite considerable
• 1:20:19
  and the tight ends are falling and he's sitting there quite nicely in like a
• 1:20:24
  good round eight, I'm taking him. I'm taking the Kyle Pitts in round
• 1:20:28
  eight. And I think the biggest thing is the offensive coordinator from the Rams.
• 1:20:32
  He likes to run the ship out of the ball and throw to the
• 1:20:35
  tight ends. That's what they love to do. They love to do that.
• 1:20:41
  I don't care. Drake Lindon is Drake Linden rising Kirk Cousins really likes
• 1:20:45
  to force the hell out of the ball to he feeds that. That's gonna
• 1:20:49
  be the biggest thing right there. He feeds the hell out of them.
• 1:20:55
  And what about oh, the Chiefs. It's hard to draft Chiefs receivers.
• 1:21:00
  Yeah, it's but it's hard. I don't know. I'm getting the Holly
• 1:21:01
  the Hollywood Brown, like, it's just kind of like it's looking to nice.
• 1:21:05
  Maybe bro, you look, maybe I could see around nine, round
• 1:21:10
  ten, Hollywood Brown I could buy myself and Ti Moore was going around nine
• 1:21:15
  and round ten and Marki's Brown is considerably better than sky Moore. Yeah,
• 1:21:18
  I'm I haven't looked exactly on the whole best ball on Bestball yet as far
• 1:21:25
  as was going in round around nine and man, I I think justin Jefferson,
• 1:21:34
  I don't know how that's gonna look. I know J. J.
• 1:21:38
  McCarthy's there round Oh crap, yeah, one he get cheap. You could
• 1:21:45
  get j Jedis for cheap this year, just saying guys cheap. Maybe turn
• 1:21:50
  around my Alminrae me trying to get the end of the round. Almonroe nine
• 1:21:56
  and ten area is gonna like on the flip around, that's gonna a little
• 1:21:59
  like gonna screw. He's gonna screw me this year because he's gonna go so
• 1:22:01
  high. It's gonna go so high this year. He's going in the first
• 1:22:04
  round. He's going in the first round. I think Bijeon c mc as
• 1:22:12
  far as the running backs, Bijon c mc brees saw he could be argued
• 1:22:15
  up there. Yep. Up YEP receivers is gonna be J Justin Jefferson,
• 1:22:24
  C. D. Lamb, A J. Brown is gonna be on the
• 1:22:29
  cusp. Yeah, A J. Brown, He's going to be right there.
• 1:22:31
  Stefan Diggs. I feel like he's going to be right there again with
• 1:22:34
  C. J. Stroud. I think that is gonna be a sleeper this
• 1:22:38
  year. I think take Dell Nico Call. There's gonna be a lot of
• 1:22:41
  mouths to feed over there on the Texans Dog there there big shults, Dig
• 1:22:47
  Schultz, Tankdale, Nico Collins. Even though Brown gets his own John getting
• 1:22:53
  healthier on the Eagles pick on the Eagles, they that hurts his value.
• 1:23:01
  That touch push baby, that push every single time, that touchdowns taken away
• 1:23:06
  every single it's just because Jalen Hurts is a guaranteed six like every game at
• 1:23:12
  least because it's just that that touchdown. But I don't know why Jason Kelsey's
• 1:23:15
  impact being gone gonna be that big of a deal. That's true. That's
• 1:23:20
  is Marvin Harrison junior first round pick. I'm taking him in the second on
• 1:23:27
  that turnaround, Say if I have ten to twelve, say if it's a
• 1:23:30
  ten man or twelve man I made double stack. I made double stack his
• 1:23:34
  first round. Yeah, no question, no question. Yeah, that's that's
• 1:23:39
  a given. Giants says nobody. What is Malik Neighbors? Maybe third,
• 1:23:45
  fourth round. Who's gonna be later quarterback this year? I think Josh Allen's
• 1:23:50
  always. I think Josh Allen is probably the number one quarterback to take him
• 1:23:56
  or him or a Josh Josh Allen Jalen Hurts Lamar. I don't know.
• 1:24:03
  I don't know how Lamar is gonna be this year. Mahomes is top three.
• 1:24:08
  I think I think Mahomes is like that third. But a lot of
• 1:24:12
  people will view the rushing upside so much. That's what it is. But
• 1:24:17
  the thing is last year he was Russian and Anthony Anthony Richardson I think Richardson's
• 1:24:24
  Anthony Richardson's health wise, if he stays healthy, it's gonna be a big
• 1:24:29
  He's easily gonna be be third, fourth, three. Daniels, I feel
• 1:24:32
  like he's gonna have a lot of value next year. I don't know.
• 1:24:35
  This year. I think I think you could catch him in the fifth,
• 1:24:39
  sixth round. I think you can catch him later. Yeah, let me
• 1:24:43
  see. Keon Coleman will be Rookie of the Year. Oh, that's a
• 1:24:45
  bold take. But I could see that Josh Allen does like to force feed
• 1:24:49
  the ball. He'd be a perfect deep threat. That would be That would
• 1:24:55
  be nice. Keon Coleman, that would be nice. One thing. Josh
• 1:24:59
  One Tyler Tyler coming into a healthy season with Marvin Harrison Jr. That's that's
• 1:25:05
  gonna be nice. That's obviously. Oh yeah, with the Russian upside,
• 1:25:14
  obviously that's there. But I could see that as a sleeper. Keon Coleman,
• 1:25:19
  round Yeah, Tyreek Hill, Okay, Tyree, Justin Jefferson, Ceede
• 1:25:26
  Lamb, Jamar Chase, Amon Ross, Saint Brown. Then you have running
• 1:25:30
  backs Breist Hall, Bijon Robinson, Christian McCaffrey, A J. A.
• 1:25:36
  J. Brown. He's up there, Stefans, He's up there. I
• 1:25:41
  don't think. I don't think a tight end goes two rounds this year.
• 1:25:45
  Okay, is Derrick Henry is Derrick Henry a second round pick, second third
• 1:25:48
  round with bal date second late second, late second round pick. I don't
• 1:25:54
  think Travis Kelsey. After Travis Kelce had a bad year, first round title,
• 1:26:04
  he had a bad year for fantasy wise. Yeah, that's what I'm
• 1:26:06
  saying, for fantasy wise, for being a first round pick. Yeah,
• 1:26:10
  no, one's gonna pay the premium. Oh yeah, yeah yeah, no
• 1:26:14
  question because especially this year, you're Cup Cooper Cup is going to be a
• 1:26:16
  first round pick. Pokah, he's gonna Bekahs is gonna be up there.
• 1:26:21
  Hookah's going to be up there. Jamar Chase, No, we said Jamar
• 1:26:27
  Chase. Kyen Williams Karen Williams' value Kyrien Williams sleeper, sleeper draft pick because
• 1:26:33
  people are going to forget about him. Really, you think people they are
• 1:26:38
  going to forget about him, No, like forget about him in the early
• 1:26:41
  early part of the draft. Josh Jacobs, he may be up there,
• 1:26:45
  Christian Watson, Romeo Dobbs, those might be fifth, sixth round picks.
• 1:26:49
  Because Jordan Lovestock Seattle, There's always d K. There's always d K.
• 1:26:57
  Tyler Lockett, Tyler Locket, I think it's more valuable in fantasy than DK
• 1:27:01
  something he is. But now j s In, I wonder where JSN is
• 1:27:05
  going to go. Now I think he's going to take that Lockett spot.
• 1:27:10
  I think he is. Mike, you have other NFL topics or did we
• 1:27:14
  just go on a whole rant of like, we just got a whole fantasy
• 1:27:16
  football rant. But we needed this, we needed this is good for the
• 1:27:20
  soul right here. Yeah, it's good, it's good. It's just like
• 1:27:24
  Mike Evans is not going as low as he did last year either. Mike
• 1:27:27
  Evans go high. Yeah. I got him in so many I got him
• 1:27:30
  in so many drafts. Reason why I won so many fantasy leagues is because
• 1:27:33
  Mike Evans. I got him in like round eleven, because no one trusted.
• 1:27:36
  Baker Mayfield is going to be up there. Yeah, Garrett Wilson is
• 1:27:44
  going to be up there again. Because where does Raheem Moster? I don't
• 1:27:48
  I don't see. Then I don't buy the stock. Thinking about Jamal Williams
• 1:27:55
  kind of had the same kind of production the year before. He didn't do
• 1:27:59
  this at all against with the Saints and the Raheem Moster. Devon Hen I
• 1:28:02
  think is gonna have a bigger role. They just drafted another running back.
• 1:28:05
  Also, what was his name? I can't think of his name? Jonathan
• 1:28:11
  Jonathan Taylor. He's gonna be up there too, Jonathan Taylor barring health.
• 1:28:15
  Bro my gosh, last sew season have been so disappointing. Yeah, Saints,
• 1:28:20
  is there any Saints snow Olave? Olave may be a first round pick
• 1:28:28
  this year, not first round, I say top three rounds. You don't
• 1:28:32
  think he could snake in. He went back last year, he went third
• 1:28:35
  round last year. Yeah, but barring barn health concerns, you don't think
• 1:28:42
  people they could find a way some one of the easiest schedules in the league,
• 1:28:46
  top ten, top ten. He just saw a flex. He just
• 1:28:49
  slid. He just saw two reflex every single every single week. I wonder
• 1:28:55
  if any Bears players are going to rise up because of Kato Williams still,
• 1:28:59
  DJ More or d J Moore. There's a lot of Cole commit There's a
• 1:29:05
  lot at Yeah, Roshawn Johnson. Yeah, I don't know about those values.
• 1:29:14
  I don't know how I feel about those values right there. The running
• 1:29:16
  back value, I'm scared. But wide receiver I don't care. I don't
• 1:29:20
  care about wide receiver there. There's gonna be plenty. There's gonna be plenty
• 1:29:25
  there no wide receivers. There's so many to pick from, Like getting trades
• 1:29:30
  and then free agency, someone's always gonna come up big. It's running back
• 1:29:33
  value is tough. Running value is tough to like gage Yeah, yeah,
• 1:29:40
  I know it is. Yeah, I agree with Damian Texans. Texans and
• 1:29:44
  Bears is such a crazy offensive threat in the room. Yeah, there's so
• 1:29:48
  much. Yeah yeah, I think all that just to beat one man,
• 1:29:57
  Lamar Jackson. Yeah, okay, I think the Bears are not the Bears
• 1:30:05
  the Browns, depending on how Deshaun Watson comes back. I think I think
• 1:30:12
  that could potentially be good right there, because you still have nature. The
• 1:30:16
  Bears are going to finish third. I think the Bears are still going to
• 1:30:18
  finish third in the in the division. I think so too. But they're
• 1:30:23
  gonna make the playoffs. I don't think so. I think it's gonna be
• 1:30:29
  Lions, Packers, Bears, Vikings. That that's just that's not it's gonna
• 1:30:36
  be Lions. I think it's gonna be Lacker Likers. I think it'd be
• 1:30:42
  Lions, Packers, Bears, and Vikings. So exactly what I said,
• 1:30:48
  yep. I think I think the Falcons are making the playoffs. I think
• 1:30:56
  they're gonna get a good flex position. Yeah, I could see that.
• 1:31:00
  I see those books and Falcons make playoffs. Oh two from the NFC South
• 1:31:09
  Okay, Okay, so Lions, Cowboys, Niners, Falcons, Falcons,
• 1:31:18
  Falcons, and then give me Eagles, Hackers, Eagles. Oh oh,
• 1:31:29
  Bucks bucks or falcon or bucks or Bears or rams or rams. Yeah,
• 1:31:39
  that's seventh spot is going to be interesting. It is. It is gonna
• 1:31:42
  be interesting. I don't think it may be as easy as the Niners think
• 1:31:46
  for the NFC West, because they ran away with that pretty damn quick.
• 1:31:51
  I don't think forgetting the Seahawks. Seahawks still going to be good. The
• 1:31:57
  Cardinals, depending on this year with Cader, it's gonna be tough. It's
• 1:32:01
  gonna be pretty damn tough. The Panthers did make some big moves too.
• 1:32:06
  I'm just saying, like, I'm not saying they're gonna be like their defense
• 1:32:12
  was solid last year. It's just their offense. But their offense brought in
• 1:32:15
  some offensive line that was a bunch of Uproads plus Mingo Dylan. They brought
• 1:32:21
  another but they brought in another receiver. Oh, Deontay Johnson. Yep,
• 1:32:30
  Deontay Johnson. Then they have did they bring in another running back also,
• 1:32:34
  Jonathan Brooke Jonathan Brooks yep. So we will see to be determined. Yeah,
• 1:32:42
  no, it's gonna be interesting. I think the NFC it's gonna be
• 1:32:47
  it's gonna be pretty damn interesting. AFC. That's that's tough. That's tough
• 1:32:51
  right there, because the chiefs. It really doesn't matter the j Yeah.
• 1:32:57
  No, oh my goodness. Yeah, it's one in the morning. Holy
• 1:33:00
  crap. Yeah. Well yeah, all right, do you have any so
• 1:33:06
  called MVPs for this episode right here? Episode number fifty so called MVPs?
• 1:33:17
  Harrison Buker. Harrison Buker, all right, well, my so called MVP,
• 1:33:25
  it's gonna be Kobe White. If you saw what I posted before this
• 1:33:29
  pod, you'll know why. That's why he's my so called MVP. Not
• 1:33:32
  much explaining to do, but we'll get back to you guys sometime after game
• 1:33:39
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