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- 0:02At Investor Exchange, it's time for another podcast with your hosts, David and Brenda.
- 0:08Welcome to The Debate. Today, we're looking at LMS Compliance LTD, ticker LMS.SI.
- 0:16It's a small cap Singaporean firm at a pretty fascinating crossroads.
- 0:20You've got this traditional laboratory testing business trying to,
- 0:24well, transform itself into a high-tech ESG compliance platform.
- 0:28That is certainly the story they're selling. And I think the central question for us is,
- 0:33you know, is the market right to price this like a like a budding software company,
- 0:39a compliance as a service play or are investors just overpaying for a people
- 0:44heavy service business that's frankly seeing its margins get crushed?
- 0:47Well, I'm taking the buy side here.
- 0:50I see a genuine inflection point.
- 0:53The whole regulatory landscape in Southeast Asia is shifting,
- 0:56and it's shifting fast toward mandatory climate reporting.
- 0:59LMS is positioning itself to be the toll booth for all of that compliance.
- 1:04...is completely disconnected from the financial reality.
- 1:07You're paying a huge growth premium for a company that had what?
- 1:11Basically flat profit growth in the first half of fiscal 25?
- 1:15The story is exciting, sure, but the spreadsheet is worrying.
- 1:19Let's start with the momentum, though. I mean, for fiscal 24,
- 1:23they showed revenue up over 21% to almost 25 and a half million ringgit.
- 1:27They have a fortress balance sheet with nearly 10 million in net cash.
- 1:30But the real story, the one you can't ignore, is the pivot.
- 1:35They aren't just, you know, checking beakers in a lab anymore.
- 1:38With Singapore and Malaysia making climate reporting mandatory.
- 1:42LMS is rolling out digital tools.
- 1:44They're moving from one-off testing fees to what could become really sticky
- 1:48recurring revenue. I see the top-line growth. I do.
- 1:52But I also see what it costs them to get it.
- 1:54I mean, their profitability is, well, it's deteriorating.
- 1:58Their EBITDA margins, that's, you know, earnings before interest,
- 2:01taxes, depreciation, and amortization.
- 2:03Basically, their operating profitability, it just collapsed.
- 2:07It went from a really strong 45.8% all the way down to 36.
- 2:12Net profit margins are down to 20.5%. So you talk about a pivot,
- 2:16but right now that pivot just looks like a cost creep.
- 2:19You're paying almost 29 times earnings for 1.1% profit growth.
- 2:23That's a very expensive weighting game. The margin compression is real, I'll grant you that.
- 2:28But you have to view it as a necessary investment for the future.
- 2:31You just can't build a tech platform on a string budget.
- 2:34Okay, but is it a tech platform? I think this is my biggest problem with the whole bull case.
- 2:38We keep saying tech pivot, but look at the numbers. 93.6% of their revenue still
- 2:43comes from traditional laboratory testing.
- 2:46In the segment they actually call compliance assessment technology,
- 2:49it's less than 1% of revenue.
- 2:51This isn't software as a service, where you write code once and sell it a thousand
- 2:54times. This is still a business of hiring expensive people to do manual work.
- 2:59You're looking at a snapshot, not the movie. The compliance clock is the real catalyst here.
- 3:05Starting in fiscal 25, companies in Singapore must disclose scope 1 and 2 emissions.
- 3:11So LMS launched their Eisen GHG carbon accounting tool to automate this.
- 3:16This is the sticky revenue I was talking about.
- 3:20Once a company uses LMS for their carbon accounting, they're probably not going
- 3:24to switch. It creates a lock-in that their physical labs just never had.
- 3:28Software's great, yeah, but adoption takes time.
- 3:31And in the meantime, they're taking on some pretty big execution risks somewhere else.
- 3:35They just acquired 75% of Anchor technology in July to get into China.
- 3:41Which is a brilliant strategic move. They're diversifying away from being so
- 3:45reliant on the Malaysian market, and they're setting up a beachhead in China's
- 3:49absolutely massive food and beverage certification sector.
- 3:53The potential market there is, it's just exponential compared to what they have
- 3:58at home. Or it's diversification.
- 4:00I mean, China is a notoriously tough market for small foreign firms.
- 4:03The integration risks are huge. If they can't cross-sell their services effectively,
- 4:08they're just adding a ton of operational complexity and, well,
- 4:12probably diluting those precious margins we were just talking about even more.
- 4:16I disagree. The operating cash flow is healthy at 6.4 million ringgit,
- 4:22which more than covers their capital spending.
- 4:24They can afford this integration.
- 4:27And you have to remember the moat. You can't just spin up a competitor in this
- 4:31space like some generic software startup.
- 4:33You need regulatory accreditation. That creates a floor for the business.
- 4:38The target price of 44 Signapore cents implies something like a 26% upside.
- 4:43I think the market is waking up to that. A moat is only valuable if it protects profitability.
- 4:49Right now, at 17 times EV to EBITDA, the market is pricing in a victory that,
- 4:54well, it hasn't happened yet.
- 4:56Until they can prove they can monetize the software side and stop the margin
- 5:00bleed from hiring, I just see this as a no-growth testing peer trap.
- 5:05And ICE is a platform play that's perfectly positioned to capitalize on a mandatory regulatory shift.
- 5:11This kind of thing only comes around once in a generation.
- 5:15Well, we can agree on one thing. With that cash pile, they certainly have the runway to try.
- 5:20That they do. And that brings us to the end of today's debate.
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