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California Governor’s Likely Last Debate | Gerrymandering Wars · The Bill Handel Show

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Speaker 1: six forty Bill Handle.
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Speaker 2: Here.
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Speaker 3: It is a Friday morning, May fifteenth. Some of the
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Speaker 3: big stories we're looking at. The summit between President G
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Speaker 3: and President Trump is over. President Trump is describing it
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Speaker 3: as the world's best, couldn't be better summit, where everything
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Speaker 3: that the United States asked for that he has obtained,
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Speaker 3: and President G is basically saying, huh exactly. And that's
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Speaker 3: that's the big news going on. I mean, I just
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Speaker 3: love the way it goes. Oh, Farmer's Insurance Group is
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Speaker 3: going to increase rates for homeowners by one point five percent. Now,
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Speaker 3: let me ask you a question, because the rates for
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Speaker 3: my home insurance doubled, went up one hundred percent. I
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Speaker 3: don't know if anybody is going to go up one
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Speaker 3: point five percent. Boy, that big news if that happens,
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Speaker 3: Like I believe that. Okay, last night yesterday was the latest,
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Speaker 3: probably last scubernatorial debate, and Amy is the only person
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Speaker 3: on the planet that I know watches the same cover
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Speaker 3: to cover, wall to wall. From what I understand, even
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Speaker 3: the debaters themselves didn't participate throughout the whole thing. They
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Speaker 3: fell asleep when other people were talking. It was just
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Speaker 3: Katie Porter. Yeah, yeah, it was. Let me ask you, Okay,
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Speaker 3: was there anything new there? Did you learn anything at all?
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Speaker 2: No? Except right at the at the onset they kind
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Speaker 2: of piled on Besserah because of the conviction or the
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Speaker 2: plea made by Nusoan's former chief of staff.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I figure this out. Okay. You grab onto anything
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Speaker 3: you possibly can, and it doesn't matter if let's say
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Speaker 3: you have a candidate who first cousin's brother owns a
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Speaker 3: deli where the board of health comes in and shuts
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Speaker 3: it down. Aha, look at this, leg at this Look
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Speaker 3: what happened to you. And this is what's the same
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Speaker 3: here is that when someone in your orbit, some employee,
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Speaker 3: some part of your inner circle gets tagged and there's
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Speaker 3: no connection, no proof of connection between the two, that
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Speaker 3: still becomes a huge deal, doesn't it.
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Speaker 2: Well here's the thing about it, at least from my
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Speaker 2: perception of what happened last night, was they asked him
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Speaker 2: about it and he kept saying, and I don't remember
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Speaker 2: the exact phrase he said, but he made this statement
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Speaker 2: about whether he was legally being investigated or something. And
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Speaker 2: Katie Porter said, that's legalese, you know, that that could
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Speaker 2: change at any time, and she kind of called him
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Speaker 2: out on it because he came across, in my opinion,
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Speaker 2: as being snaky and evasive instead of just flat out
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Speaker 2: saying didn't know about it. It was it happened while
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Speaker 2: I was doing this. She stole from us. But he
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Speaker 2: didn't say that.
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Speaker 3: Okay, that's fair, that's fair. But is a question of
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Speaker 3: him misspeaking because that da.
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Speaker 2: He wasn't misspeaking though he was very deliberately saying of
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Speaker 2: like a sentence that's kind of legalist because he's a lawyer.
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Speaker 3: Well yeah, most are, okay, So because he answered it
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Speaker 3: wrong or answered it in a sneaky way as you
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Speaker 3: perceived it, all of a sudden, his credibility is questioned.
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Speaker 3: All right, fair enough. I think I would see it
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Speaker 3: the same way. Now, as far as the attacks, it
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Speaker 3: was Democrats attacking Besserah.
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Speaker 2: Because he's now leading in the polls.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, now it's the infighting. Now. Hilton and Bianco are
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Speaker 3: not attacking each other, are they?
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Speaker 2: No, they were early on, but they have stopped and
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Speaker 2: they're kind of in lockstep. And you noticed that last
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Speaker 2: night that they were like you know, as Chad said,
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Speaker 2: or as Steve said, so they're more singing the same tune,
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Speaker 2: so to speak.
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Speaker 3: Interesting stuff to say the least. I mean, usually you
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Speaker 3: would expect mud slinging from everybody across the board. So
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Speaker 3: the way I perceived this and Amy again, you dove
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Speaker 3: into this much deeper than I had. I mean, I
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Speaker 3: was gonna watch it yesterday because it's just an important,
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Speaker 3: important race to see you as governor. But my sock
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Speaker 3: draw truly needed rearranging, so there was no issue. And
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Speaker 3: that is do you perceive this that it's going to
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Speaker 3: be but Sarah on the one side, and probably Hilton
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Speaker 3: on the other because Chad Bianco is a little bit
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Speaker 3: out there, isn't it for California.
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Speaker 2: Although Bianco has some really good things to say, I
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Speaker 2: think that it's interesting. And then when the commentators talk
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Speaker 2: about it afterward, who won, who lost, blah blah blah
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Speaker 2: blah blah, everybody kept saying, oh, Hilton did really well,
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Speaker 2: but Bianco said some really good things. Same thing with
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Speaker 2: like Katie Porter. She has some very valid points. She
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Speaker 2: comes across as pretty smart and articulate. But I think
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Speaker 2: that that the whole unlikability factor and the old videos
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Speaker 2: and that kind of stuff it just still comes to play.
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Speaker 2: Via Ragosa had some good points. He made some good
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Speaker 2: points in it, and you went, okay, I'll give you
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Speaker 2: that one. But he's only polling at like one percent.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, No one even knows that via Ragosa is part
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Speaker 3: of this campaign, is in the mix, because unless I'm
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Speaker 3: reminded of it, and I know he is, but unless
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Speaker 3: I'm reminded that he is in play, Oh okay, I
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Speaker 3: remember now, and he's not. I don't know why he
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Speaker 3: doesn't drop out at one at one percent?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and Mayhann is the same. So Mayhann is the
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Speaker 2: San Jose Mayer makes some good points, especially on homelessness.
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Speaker 2: Talks about how he has reduced homelessness in San Jose
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Speaker 2: by like a third, which is pretty significant if he's
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Speaker 2: if he's not messing with the numbers, but he still
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Speaker 2: isn't gaining in the polls. It's just is it name recognition?
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Speaker 2: What is it? Because again, but Sarah to me comes
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Speaker 2: across like a classic politician, doesn't seem And Katie Porter said,
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Speaker 2: can we see your deal?
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Speaker 3: I have a plan.
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Speaker 2: She goes, let's see it, And he said, I have
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Speaker 2: a plan. She says, I likes to see it.
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Speaker 3: No one really has a plan because for the most
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Speaker 3: part it's unanswerable. And Mahon, who reduced homelessness by a
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Speaker 3: third number, I'd like to know how he did it.
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Speaker 3: Is did he do it by simply letting the homeless
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Speaker 3: people who are sick die on the streets, which is
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Speaker 3: a great way to reduce homelessness? Or what was his
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Speaker 3: method of doing it? And it's you know, one of
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Speaker 3: the things. And then we'll take a break. Amy, is
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Speaker 3: that for some reason we connect. And as you pointed out,
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Speaker 3: if someone does a good job and a debate, now
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Speaker 3: they somehow are going to be doing a good job governing.
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Speaker 3: There is no such thing as someone who is not
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Speaker 3: particularly articulate at winning anymore. And I find this completely crazy.
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Speaker 3: But then again, what do you do during a debate.
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Speaker 3: It's the only way to really know during a debate
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Speaker 3: is to have a real debate. You can't have real
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Speaker 3: debates because the real debate is one on one ninety
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Speaker 3: minutes where you get to refute and come back.
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Speaker 2: And it was just, yeah, who'll explain your position on
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Speaker 2: how you're going to end homelessness? You have thirty seconds go.
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Speaker 2: You can do it.
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Speaker 3: Of course, not, of course, not so it's going to
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Speaker 3: be the best looking, the most articulate, who is going
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Speaker 3: to go the slickest out there, Gavin Newsom in terms
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Speaker 3: of presidential timber. Is it going to hurt him that
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Speaker 3: he is good looking, has a lot of hair? Is
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Speaker 3: the hair part that bothers me? Or is that going
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Speaker 3: to help him? And I don't know the answer to that.
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Speaker 3: He's going to have to overcome the slickness of his campaign. Okay.
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Speaker 3: I have said many times since President Trump became president,
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Speaker 3: especially his second term, is that his influence on the
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Speaker 3: body politic is going to probably be more so than
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Speaker 3: certainly any president, any modern day president, maybe even more
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Speaker 3: so than FDR. No. Now I'll give it to the FDR
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Speaker 3: more more import more influence. But the president has changed
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Speaker 3: Our president now has changed things in a massive way.
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Speaker 3: You know, just to give you an example of the
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Speaker 3: East wing of the White House, I mean, no one's
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Speaker 3: going to undo that. When the arc the Trump is
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Speaker 3: built that, no one's going to undo that. It's just
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Speaker 3: it's there forever. The other thing that's there forever that
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Speaker 3: he did, and this is far more important, is that
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Speaker 3: the issue of jerry mandering. Now, jerry mandering if you
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Speaker 3: look at congressional districts, you would think there'll just be
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Speaker 3: grids squares, right, that makes sense. Instead, what you do
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Speaker 3: is you see these meandering lines going through neighborhoods. It's
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Speaker 3: like a salamander the way it looks. This is where
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Speaker 3: Jerry Mandarin came in the phrase. And this has been
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Speaker 3: going on forever, where congressional districts are drawn to maximize
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Speaker 3: whichever whichever party is in power. I mean, that's going
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Speaker 3: on forever now. It used to be that the redistrict
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Speaker 3: thing happened at the end of every census every ten years. Well,
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Speaker 3: here's where the President has changed things dramatically. He convinced Texas.
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Speaker 3: He told Texas, why don't you do it midstream, right
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Speaker 3: in the middle of a census period, so you don't
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Speaker 3: have to worry about the census. Let's do it while
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Speaker 3: you're in power. Let's change the congressional districts to help
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Speaker 3: Republicans straight out. Okay, And the problem is that that's
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Speaker 3: now starting the Jerry Mandarin wars. Now with blue states
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Speaker 3: do this, of course, the president fights it and says
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Speaker 3: it's unconstitutional. When red states do this, it's a different story.
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Speaker 3: The problem is is that red states now have the advantage.
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Speaker 3: Here's one of the reasons. Jerrymandering is strictly a political issue.
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Speaker 3: It's just for one party to get more powered than
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Speaker 3: the other in terms of the voting districts. Jerry manner
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Speaker 3: the district so you basically either dilute one party or
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Speaker 3: you increase the chances of a party going out of
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Speaker 3: that district. And then, in the case of Texas for example,
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Speaker 3: in other states when you have a black population, the
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Speaker 3: argument is that African Americans are being nailed, and the
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Speaker 3: reality is they probably are, but it's mostly political. I
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Speaker 3: don't think Republicans get up in the morning and say
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Speaker 3: we want to dilute African Americans from voting. And now
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Speaker 3: I think the issue is they want to keep those
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Speaker 3: districts Republican and that's what they're doing. Now, why are
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Speaker 3: the blue states at such a disadvantage, Well, because you
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Speaker 3: have this jerrymander is so political that California, for example,
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Speaker 3: when it comes to redistricting, instead of the legislature doing it,
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Speaker 3: had an independent commission doing it because it's it's far safer,
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Speaker 3: it's far more fair, and that does not bode well
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Speaker 3: when you have states that redistrict just for political purposes
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Speaker 3: and can do it any moment they want. And so
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Speaker 3: remember Prop. Fifty, We passed that propositions to undo that commission.
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Speaker 3: Let the legislator do, the legislature do what it does,
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Speaker 3: jerrymander the districts. So what do you have. My jerrymandering
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Speaker 3: is bigger than your jerrymandering. I'm jerrymandering more than your jerrymandering.
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Speaker 3: My dad's jerry mander is bigger than your dad's. And
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Speaker 3: the wars have started. And that is the problem because
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Speaker 3: now because you can, because the President asked Texas right
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Speaker 3: in the middle of the census period, just jerrymander it.
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Speaker 3: Let's get some Republican advantage here. Well, that doesn't stop
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Speaker 3: the Democrats the second they get into power in a state,
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Speaker 3: in a legislature jerrymandering on their own. So every time
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Speaker 3: power switches from Apublican to Democrat, that party in power
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Speaker 3: will completely change the congressional map. And that's what it's at.
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Speaker 3: It's the jerrymandering wars, and it's never going to be
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Speaker 3: the same again.
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Speaker 1: And I called it. I told you at the beginning,
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Speaker 1: when California got involved, I said, don't do it. Stick
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Speaker 1: to your guns and the principle of it, because all
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Speaker 1: you're gonna do is start a domino effect and ultimately
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Speaker 1: that the Republicans are going to end up having.
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Speaker 3: Okay, I disagree with that, and I'll tell you why,
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Speaker 3: because if California and the other states stuck to their guns,
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Speaker 3: there would be so many Republican districts because they gerrymandered.
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Speaker 3: California doesn't, it's.
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Speaker 1: Going to happen. And you know what, the left did
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Speaker 1: it with the New Mexico as.
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Speaker 3: Well, not in the middle of not in the middle
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Speaker 3: of the census, for my understanding, but you know, here's
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Speaker 3: but here's the problem. You don't go tit for tat
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Speaker 3: so I take a gun at you and then you
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Speaker 3: take a knife at me. Hey, don't don't come back
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Speaker 3: with a gun just because I have one. Make sure
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Speaker 3: you come back with a less lethal weapon. That's what's
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Speaker 3: happening here, Neil, that's what's happening. That's the fact you're
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Speaker 3: going to see. If if California didn't go that way,
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Speaker 3: if other states, democratic states didn't go that way, there
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Speaker 3: would never be a democratic legislature, a democratic congressional map
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Speaker 3: again never never. So that is the problem. And and
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Speaker 3: the president is responsible for this, whether you agree or disagree, disagree,
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Speaker 3: it's just the president influencing everything we do politically. I'll
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Speaker 3: tell you it really pissed me off. As changing the
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Speaker 3: paint scheme of that airplane, Air Force one. It's gone
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Speaker 3: from beautiful to absolutely hideous. Just knocks my socks off.
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Speaker 3: All right. Now here's something that I looked at and
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Speaker 3: I went, whoa. It's in the New York Times and
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Speaker 3: that is all about Honda. Now, Honda came to the
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Speaker 3: United States. Well, actually it was listed on the Tokyo
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Speaker 3: Stock Exchange in nineteen fifty seven, and I think they
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Speaker 3: brought the first car into the country in nineteen somewhere
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Speaker 3: in the sixties. And when Honda brought its first car
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Speaker 3: in and I remember it, it was a great car
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Speaker 3: at a great price. I mean, everybody was stunned at
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Speaker 3: how good a car this was. And that blew open
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Speaker 3: the the American market for Japanese cars. And Toyota phenomenal car.
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Speaker 3: Nissan not so much originally, but Toyota and Honda, Man
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Speaker 3: what cars they were, and they still are. They have
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Speaker 3: tremendous reputations. So that was nineteen seventy seven when Honda
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Speaker 3: went onto the Tokyo Stock Exchange Okay, nineteen fifty seven.
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Speaker 3: When Honda went onto the stock exchange seventy seven years ago,
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Speaker 3: for the first time in the history of this company,
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Speaker 3: it lost money. It has never lost money until now.
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Speaker 3: Honda reported a net loss of two point seven billion
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Speaker 3: dollars for the fiscal year ending March thirty one, and
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Speaker 3: a couple of numbers. Earnings were weighed down by more
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Speaker 3: than nine billion dollars in restructuring charges right downs after
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Speaker 3: a retrenchment of its EV strategy. It all has to
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Speaker 3: do with evs, all of it. Because these car companies
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Speaker 3: that win balls to the wall in terms of evs,
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Speaker 3: all of a sudden realize, whoa wait a minute, you know,
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Speaker 3: we're not buying as many of evs as we have.
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Speaker 3: I mean, the market is cooling, and there are a
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Speaker 3: couple of reasons for it. Not that electrical vehicles aren't
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Speaker 3: the future, because I think they are. The problem is
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Speaker 3: two things. One is the only reason they're making any
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Speaker 3: sense now is governmental subsidies, which have been yanked by
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Speaker 3: the Trump administration, and I think rightly so. Unless there
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Speaker 3: is a concerted effort by the administration and national effort,
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Speaker 3: effort to bring evs onto the market, and until they
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Speaker 3: break even, until people get a better deal or get
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Speaker 3: as good a deal, it's just not going to happen.
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Speaker 3: The other thing is, and this is my complaint, and
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Speaker 3: I have an EV as you know, and I am
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Speaker 3: not keeping it, is because you can't charge evs in
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Speaker 3: public charging stations. Number one, there aren't enough of them,
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Speaker 3: even though they're building them by the thousands. Number two,
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Speaker 3: the best you can do with the super duper charging
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Speaker 3: stations is twenty minutes. The rest of the time as
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Speaker 3: you plug in, it's five hours, eight hours. How can
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Speaker 3: you go on the road and plug in into a
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Speaker 3: charging station and it's going to take eight hours to
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Speaker 3: charge the car? Right now? Let's say you go to
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Speaker 3: Costco Okay, where everybody buys gas now because of the
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Speaker 3: cost of gasoline, and there are thirty cars ahead of you,
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Speaker 3: or if you go an individual line, let's say eight
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Speaker 3: ten cars ahead of you. Are you gonna wait fifteen
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Speaker 3: minutes to zip up there and fill your cars? Maybe
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Speaker 3: thirty three minutes to fill your car. Can you imagine
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Speaker 3: if it took five hours, even twenty minutes, if there
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Speaker 3: are three people in front of you. It's an hour
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Speaker 3: to wait before you charge your car, and until charging
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Speaker 3: stations really number in numbers and in speed. Now there
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Speaker 3: are a couple of Chinese companies that have come out
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Speaker 3: that's been reported. We don't have them here in United States,
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Speaker 3: and we'll never have those cars here as long as
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Speaker 3: the Trump administration a doesn't allow And by the way,
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Speaker 3: the Biden administration did the same thing. The Obama administration
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Speaker 3: did the same thing. Electric cars from China are simply
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Speaker 3: not allowed in this country. So we're reading where I'm
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Speaker 3: reading reports and I haven't seen any refutation, is that
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Speaker 3: they have batteries in cars now that can be recharged
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Speaker 3: back to eighty percent of its full charge in five minutes.
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Speaker 3: That's a game changer. That is a complete game changer.
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Speaker 3: And on top of that, if there are enough charging
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Speaker 3: stations out there, and all electric cars have a terrific
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Speaker 3: software that'll tell you exactly where the charging stations are,
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Speaker 3: and we're getting the point where the self driving cars,
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Speaker 3: even if you're behind the wheel, all you have to
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Speaker 3: do is say, let's go to the nearest charging station,
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Speaker 3: which ones are the least crowded. They do that now,
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Speaker 3: And now we have a shot at it. Does the
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Speaker 3: government still have to subsidize right now? They do, and
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Speaker 3: so Honda is going okay, Originally they're going to have
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Speaker 3: all electric by twenty forty. That's been thrown out the window.
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Speaker 3: Now the major companies now all of them. Ford Motor
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Speaker 3: took a huge hit, GM took a huge hit. Electric
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Speaker 3: cars are they haven't caught on yet or the public
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Speaker 3: hasn't caught up on what electric cars are going to do.
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Speaker 3: I love electric cars. I think they're great. I think
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Speaker 3: they're great for the environment. I think they are so convenient.
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Speaker 3: If you have a charging station at home, which I do,
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Speaker 3: and I have the most powerful charging station you can
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Speaker 3: get residentially, it's eight hours or ten hours to charge
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Speaker 3: my car overnight. Is that sustainable? No, we have a
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Speaker 3: charging station at KFI and that's hours and it costs
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Speaker 3: you eight hundred and twenty dollars because they charge a
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Speaker 3: lot of money for charging. All right. Now. The data
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Speaker 3: centers that are going up, I mean these massive, massive
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Speaker 3: data centers, mainly for AI. It's one of those things
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Speaker 3: I mean when I talk about massive, we're talking about acres,
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Speaker 3: millions and millions of square feet, and they suck up
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Speaker 3: so much energy that it really is mind boggling and
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Speaker 3: use water like crazy. Well guess what, Nimby has come
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Speaker 3: into play, and I don't want one in my neighborhood.
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Speaker 3: I'd rather have one in your neighborhood. Oh no, Bill,
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Speaker 3: I'd rather have one in your neighborhood. No one wants those.
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Speaker 3: There has just been a poll released by Gallop. Opposition
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Speaker 3: is so intense on these data centers that the Pool
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Speaker 3: asked a question, and more Americans would rather live near
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Speaker 3: a nuclear power plant than one of these data centers.
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Speaker 3: Why because, well, first of all, with a nuclear power plant,
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Speaker 3: you don't need night lights. You know your well, frankly,
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Speaker 3: everything glows. Everything glows, yeah, children, your gold, all of it,
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Speaker 3: all of it. Because of the fear the dangers of
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Speaker 3: nuclear power plants and leakage of you know, radioactive material
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Speaker 3: and radioactive get it.
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Speaker 1: So, why would they want to live next to that
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Speaker 1: rather than.
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Speaker 3: That's how much they hate those data centers. They are big,
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Speaker 3: they suck up resources. They are not They Usually when
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Speaker 3: you have a massive plant like this, let's say a
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Speaker 3: car plant or any kind of manufacturing plant, thousands of
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Speaker 3: employees kick in, so at least in a neighborhood, the community. Okay,
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Speaker 3: we'll we'll deal with it. But you know, we have
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Speaker 3: three thousand jobs with these data centers. The technology is
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Speaker 3: so great, fifty to one hundred and fifty employees, that's it.
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Speaker 3: Management is online. They're so automated that all they do
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Speaker 3: is sit there with fifty employees, and you've got The
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Speaker 3: amount of energy that they take is insane, and they
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Speaker 3: just don't want it. People just don't want it. The
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Speaker 3: same thing with the refineries, though, you know, who wants
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Speaker 3: the refinery near them? Who wants the manufacturery plant near you? Neil,
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Speaker 3: You and I live in a neighborhood that is zoned
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Speaker 3: only for a single family dwellings. Except that it changed,
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Speaker 3: didn't it. The government said you can go up to
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Speaker 3: eight units. So you buy a single family dwelling and
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Speaker 3: all of a sudden, next door you've got eight apartment
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Speaker 3: units next to you, and you paid a bucket of
23:34
Speaker 3: money for your house. People, we don't like the changes.
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Speaker 3: You know, I want. I want my neighborhood to stay
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Speaker 3: my neighborhood. I am not interested in any commercial building
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Speaker 3: near my neighborhood. I'm not interested in multifamily dwellings. I'm
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Speaker 3: not interested in anything other than my gated community. I'm
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Speaker 3: not interested in you walking into my gated community. I
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Speaker 3: just don't want you there.
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Speaker 1: How do you think the people that lived there felt
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Speaker 1: when you moved.
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Speaker 3: In that they didn't know? Yeah, they didn't know until
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Speaker 3: I was already in. And what people do in my
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Speaker 3: neighborhood is there's a chat room that they all belong to,
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Speaker 3: and we welcome new people in there. As soon as
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Speaker 3: I got in, Oh man, it went berserk? How did
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Speaker 3: exactly that? How did you let handle in? All? Right?
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Speaker 3: So the NIMB project continues, and it's get worse and
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Speaker 3: worse and worse, and politicians have to pay attention to
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Speaker 3: what their voters say and do. So it is hard
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Speaker 3: to get zoning, it's hard to get building permits, and
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Speaker 3: we need those data centers otherwise we're behind, We're behind
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Speaker 3: the times. Okay, let's have fun now foody Friday with
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Speaker 3: Neil Savedra and will do that for off an hour
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