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Speaker 1: Lone from the skying New Center.
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Speaker 2: This is the Kenny Report. Thanks for joining me tonight.
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Speaker 3: The nation's national security crisis and what the Prime Minister
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Speaker 3: apparently doesn't want to know.
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Speaker 2: I'll also take.
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Speaker 3: A look at why the Anthony, why Anthony Aberneze has
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Speaker 3: come across as so weak, how he's failing to lead
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Speaker 3: and why that means Peter Dutton can beat him. I'll
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Speaker 3: cross to Israel to get the reaction to Donald Trump's
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Speaker 3: extraordinary plan for the Gaza strip. I'll hear from Alexander
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Speaker 3: Downer on that too. Also Headley Thomas on his new
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Speaker 3: podcast series Will he Solve yet another cold case murder mystery?
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Speaker 3: And it being Thursday, we'll have Mark Nicholson and Tim
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Speaker 3: Blair picked the eyes out of another extraordinary week.
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Speaker 2: Let's get started. Just before I get on with the
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Speaker 2: big political issues.
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Speaker 3: Let me share with you a tragic story that is
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Speaker 3: sadly emblematic of a crime problem, especially a youth crime
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Speaker 3: problem that try so many of us. From North Queensland
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Speaker 3: to Alice Springs, from the suburbs of Melbourne to Darwin.
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Speaker 3: A man was found stabbed outside his pizza shop on
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Speaker 3: Tuesday night in Kingswood in Sydney's western suburbs. He died
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Speaker 3: in hospital a short time later. Police initially apprehended a
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Speaker 3: group of sevent teenagers between thirteen and nineteen years old
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Speaker 3: boys and girls. The victim was fifty eight year old
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Speaker 3: son May Allegos, who'd owned and run the pizza bar
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Speaker 3: for fourteen years, and he was apparently close to shutting
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Speaker 3: up for the night when he was allegedly attacked. A
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Speaker 3: small businessman doing the hard yards to support himself and
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Speaker 3: his family. Yes, he was a father, and this is
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Speaker 3: what happened is just beyond tragic and so unjust.
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Speaker 4: This gentleman was very very closely connected to this community
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Speaker 4: for a very long period of time, including owning this
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Speaker 4: business for over fourteen years and being a member of
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Speaker 4: the Penwrith community for over fifty This is an absolute tragedy.
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Speaker 2: He was really friendly. He treated people how he would
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Speaker 2: love to be treated.
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Speaker 5: He was a nice, genuine guy.
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Speaker 3: A sixteen year old boy has now been charged with murder.
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Speaker 3: This of course should never happen, but it's happening all
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Speaker 3: too often in too many parts of this country. Our
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Speaker 3: thoughts and prayers are with the victim's family. Labour will
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Speaker 3: now support the coalition's push for minimum mandatory sentences on
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Speaker 3: some hate crimes and terrorism offenses. After sixteen months of
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Speaker 3: weakness on anti Semitism, the Prime Minister is trying to
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Speaker 3: catch up, but he's still on the back foot because
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Speaker 3: it seems he's been kept in the dark on crucial
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Speaker 3: national security issues and apparently he doesn't let me recap
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Speaker 3: to explain just how important this is. This country is
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Speaker 3: in the middle of an escalating wave of anti Semitism
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Speaker 3: that began actually in October twenty twenty three with hateful
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Speaker 3: chance directed at Jewish Australians. It moved on to graffiti
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Speaker 3: and vandalism before shocking us with fire bombings of cars,
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Speaker 3: a synagogue and a childcare center. No wonder, people are
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Speaker 3: frightened and worried that someone will be hurt or killed,
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Speaker 3: and now it's risen to the level of domestic terrorism
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Speaker 3: and a possible mass casualty attack. After that caravan full
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Speaker 3: of explosives was discovered along with a note detailing Jewish
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Speaker 3: targets on January the nineteenth. Now we didn't know about
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Speaker 3: this until ten days later Wednesday last week, when the
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Speaker 3: Daily Telegraph broke the story and police were forced to
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Speaker 3: go public.
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Speaker 2: This is a deadly.
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Speaker 3: Serious national security issue and the New South Wales Premier
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Speaker 3: Chris Mins revealed that he was briefed by police the
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Speaker 3: day after the discovery and he kept that information confidential
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Speaker 3: until the public announcement, But Anthony Albaneze will not say
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Speaker 3: when he was told or whether he was even briefed
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Speaker 3: before the public announcement.
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Speaker 6: You must have been absolutely livid that you weren't notified.
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Speaker 7: Now you're making an incredible assumption there, Carl. You know
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Speaker 7: what is important here. What's important here is that we
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Speaker 7: don't play politics with national.
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Speaker 3: Security playing politics. Shouldn't the Prime Minister tell us when
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Speaker 3: he was briefed or shouldn't he be admonishing his agencies
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Speaker 3: if he wasn't, How can you lead and act when
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Speaker 3: you don't even know. The opposition leader wants an inquiry
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Speaker 3: to all this, and he has a theory about why
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Speaker 3: the PM wasn't told.
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Speaker 8: The New South Wales police have either made a deliberate
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Speaker 8: decision not to advise the Commonwealth so that the Prime
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Speaker 8: Minister wasn't advised because they were worried he was going
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Speaker 8: to lead the information. Beyond that, there's no other reasonable explanation.
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Speaker 3: But the Prime Minister is still refusing to say when
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Speaker 3: he was told, and he's rejected an inquiry.
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Speaker 7: This is an ongoing investigation. I find it remarkable that
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Speaker 7: Peter Dutton says that should stop while we do some
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Speaker 7: sort of party committee process.
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Speaker 3: Well, no one is suggesting the investigation should stop. That's
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Speaker 3: just an absurd and desperate diversion. Why wouldn't the Prime
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Speaker 3: Minister tell us when he was briefed. Why wouldn't he
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Speaker 3: want to ensure that he knows all that he needs
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Speaker 3: to know about national security when he needs to know it.
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Speaker 3: Peter Dutton is right to be curious.
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Speaker 8: I just can't understand how the Premier and the Prime
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Speaker 8: Minister could go to the childcare center, could go to
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Speaker 8: the joint press conference, could have however, many conversations over
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Speaker 8: the course of the next eight nine days, and the
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Speaker 8: Premier doesn't say in passing, or the Prime Minister doesn't
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Speaker 8: raise it with him, it doesn't pass the pub testing.
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Speaker 2: No, it doesn't.
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Speaker 3: And I have an inkling we'll all find out eventually. Anyway,
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Speaker 3: There's been a development this afternoon in Canberra that I'll
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Speaker 3: show you in just a moment with Anne Rusten. But
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Speaker 3: in the meantime, the Prime Minister should just get the
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Speaker 3: information out in the open as soon as possible. So
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Speaker 3: let's drill down a bit more into the Prime minister's performance.
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Speaker 3: Anthony Albanezi is in real strife. You've heard me detail
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Speaker 3: over the past year or so how he's been shedding
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Speaker 3: authority like a sick cat, acting like a spectator rather
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Speaker 3: than a leader, using countless words to nothing. He's lost,
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Speaker 3: he's weak, and he's out of his depth. That's why
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Speaker 3: I say that Peter Dutton can win the election, not
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Speaker 3: because of where the polls are now. Anyone can read
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Speaker 3: the polls now and say they're not quite strong enough
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Speaker 3: for a coalition majority win. It's about where voter sentiment
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Speaker 3: will be on election day and where are the signs
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Speaker 3: that Albanezi is getting back on track. He's completely failed
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Speaker 3: to deliver on the cost of living improvements and the
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Speaker 3: lower power prices that he promised. And it seems to
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Speaker 3: me that the more people see of Albanisi in the campaign,
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Speaker 3: the more they'll drop off him. Have a look at
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Speaker 3: him on Donald Trump's world shattering intervention in the Middle East.
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Speaker 7: I don't intend to have a running commentary on the
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Speaker 7: President of the United States statements. I'm not going to
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Speaker 7: have a running commentary on statements by the President of
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Speaker 7: the United States, so I've made that very clear. I've
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Speaker 7: also said that I'm not going to as austral as
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Speaker 7: Prime Minister, give a daily commentary on statements by the
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Speaker 7: US president.
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Speaker 3: That's all he could come up with. Just hopeless. He
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Speaker 3: had nothing to say. The Prime Minister skipped Parliament today,
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Speaker 3: which was telling. He visited the flood zones in Queensland,
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Speaker 3: which is good, but he could have been at Parliament
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Speaker 3: today and then headed north anyway. Even up there and
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Speaker 3: even after having a day to think about all this,
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Speaker 3: he still had nothing to say on the Trump plan.
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Speaker 7: We will continue to take our position, which is what
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Speaker 7: we have done for a long period of time. It's
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Speaker 7: a bipartisan position for a two state solution.
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Speaker 3: You prescati by past the fists.
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Speaker 4: It must be allowed to bring the mind.
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Speaker 7: What do you think a two state solution is?
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Speaker 3: Thank you? Pretty unconvincing, isn't it. Now. Look sure, if
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Speaker 3: you've got nothing to say, you should say nothing, But
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Speaker 3: if you're Prime Minister you should have something to say
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Speaker 3: on the key issues. Alban Easy is always content to
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Speaker 3: be an onlooker a spectator, as if he's been elected
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Speaker 3: king and just needs to watch out over his dominion,
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Speaker 3: even on the caravan of explosives. And when he was told,
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Speaker 3: he gives us hands off approach.
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Speaker 7: I find it frankly absurd that people think, for example,
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Speaker 7: that resources should be diverted, that the AFP and Intelligence
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Speaker 7: Agency should be engaged in a political process rather than
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Speaker 7: doing their job. And you know what my job is, Carl,
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Speaker 7: It's really simple. It's to back our already is to
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Speaker 7: do their job, all right, and that's.
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Speaker 9: What I do.
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Speaker 3: Well, No, Prime Minister, your job is to lead, lead
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Speaker 3: the government, lead the nation, and lead the agencies, not
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Speaker 3: sit back and watch. That's the trouble. Albanize doesn't want
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Speaker 3: to be responsible for anything.
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Speaker 10: Almo says.
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Speaker 9: She can't.
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Speaker 2: Get due.
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Speaker 7: He says not.
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Speaker 3: Look, it's funny because it's true. But it's bloody sad too,
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Speaker 3: isn't it. Another weakness for Alberizi is that he thinks
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Speaker 3: Canberra is the center of the universe. He loves nothing
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Speaker 3: more than hanging around in Canberra with the political journos
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Speaker 3: at the National Press Club, and he rubbishes Dutton for
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Speaker 3: avoiding it.
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Speaker 7: But it darts in hapable. He hasn't been to a
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Speaker 7: National Press Club yet, not once. He's never done.
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Speaker 11: He couldn't find it.
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Speaker 3: He couldn't find it.
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Speaker 7: You'd have to get him a map first and you'll
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Speaker 7: have to fly down to canber and drive in there
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Speaker 7: because he doesn't know where it is.
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Speaker 2: Really.
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Speaker 3: The National Press Club is of course her home ground
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Speaker 3: for Labor politicians, but Albo is obsessed with it, making
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Speaker 3: the same attack on Peter Dubbin this year.
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Speaker 7: Weakness is not having the guts to come to the
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Speaker 7: National Press Club. Weakness is holding one press conference at
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Speaker 7: a quarter to two before question time begins at two.
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Speaker 7: Over the last six months and not facing the Parliament
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Speaker 7: House press gallery.
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Speaker 3: It's almost as if Albo sees the Canberra press pack
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Speaker 3: as his praetorian guard, isn't it, and he thinks the
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Speaker 3: nation begins and ends in Canberra. He even said the
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Speaker 3: Opposition leader should have spent Australia Day there.
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Speaker 7: On Australia Day, I'll be here in Canberra at the
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Speaker 7: National event. I encourage Peter Dutton to come to the
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Speaker 7: National Event. I hope Peter Dutton turns up as I
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Speaker 7: did as the Opposition leader to the National celebration here
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Speaker 7: in Canberra, in our national capital.
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Speaker 3: Canbra Canberra, Canberra. Unsurprisingly, much of the Canberra media goes
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Speaker 3: with the elbow line, so Dutton was asked today whether
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Speaker 3: he'd be talking to the Canberra press pack during the campaign.
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Speaker 8: I think one of the most exciting aspects of the
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Speaker 8: campaign is that we're going to pull you all out
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Speaker 8: of Canberra and we're going to move out of this bubble,
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Speaker 8: and we're going to go and talk to real families,
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Speaker 8: and we're going to go and talk to the constituents
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Speaker 8: who are telling me that they are being crushed at
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Speaker 8: the moment by the cost of living crisis that the
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Speaker 8: Prime Minister has created.
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Speaker 3: Not a bad response, heme. This is another own goal
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Speaker 3: by Labor and alban Easy. They want to be seen
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Speaker 3: as the champions for the camera bubble, while the Coalitions
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Speaker 3: for the rest of Australia. What campaigning genius. Speaking of
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Speaker 3: the nation's capital, let's go there now and catch up
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Speaker 3: with the shadow Health Minister and Rustin who joins us
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Speaker 3: live and thanks for catching up with us.
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Speaker 2: Look.
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Speaker 3: Good news on the antisemitism front today in that Labor
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Speaker 3: are going to support the coalition's push for mandatory minimum
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Speaker 3: sentences on hate crimes, but very confusing, very bewildering as
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Speaker 3: to why Anthony Alberzi won't even tell us when he
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Speaker 3: was briefed on this caravan of explosives.
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Speaker 12: Yeah, this is just a saga that just keeps on
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Speaker 12: playing out for the government. I mean, they just need
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Speaker 12: to be honest with the Australian public. I mean, Anthony
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Speaker 12: Albanesi is looking both weak and tricky and trickier every day.
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Speaker 12: I mean, surely, but surely he can tell us when
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Speaker 12: he found out nobody's asking him to divulge any of
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Speaker 12: the briefings that he's received from any of our intelligence services.
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Speaker 12: Why can't he tell us when he was brief just
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Speaker 12: the way the new South Wales premier it seems to
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Speaker 12: be able to tell the country how he was when
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Speaker 12: he was briefed. It's just it's quite extraordinary. But it
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Speaker 12: was good news today or last night when the Labor
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Speaker 12: Party eventually capitulated over this strong stance that Peter Dutton
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Speaker 12: has been taken on taking on anti Semitism and so
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Speaker 12: we were delighted to see that through the Parliament today
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Speaker 12: and you know, hopefully it sends a message to a
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Speaker 12: Jewish community, particularly but to any community out there that
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Speaker 12: we're really deadly serious about keeping them safe, even if
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Speaker 12: the government did take a while to get dragged kicking
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Speaker 12: and streaming to the table just on.
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Speaker 3: When the Prime Minister was told though, there's been a
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Speaker 3: development just in the last hour in Canberra in an
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Speaker 3: Estimate's hearing where the Australian Federal Police Commissioner rhes Kershew
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Speaker 3: was asked about this and now he's dragged into the
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Speaker 3: whole game of obfuscation.
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Speaker 2: Have a look, was.
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Speaker 9: The Prime Minister briefed on that incident or the Attorney General?
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Speaker 13: That question relates to an ongoing Joint Caniterism Team investigation
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Speaker 13: and according to the briefings I received, that's not the
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Speaker 13: subject or purpose of today's hearing. And also I am
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Speaker 13: conscious that this is a public hearing and it's not
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Speaker 13: an appropriate forum for us to provide information relating to an
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Speaker 13: ongoing investigation at this time.
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Speaker 3: Now, Anne Russell, we all have simpathy for the police there.
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Speaker 3: They all are, they're in the uniform, they've got a
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Speaker 3: lot to do when it comes to investigating. But no
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Speaker 3: one's asking for any detail except whether or not and
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Speaker 3: when the Prime Minister was briefed.
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Speaker 12: Yeah, and I mean what you've just witnessed there is
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Speaker 12: a situation where a public servant doing his job is
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Speaker 12: stuck into a really awkward situation because he's trying to
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Speaker 12: make sure that he doesn't cause the government any problems,
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Speaker 12: as I suppose most public servants would try to do.
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Speaker 12: But he's only being stuck in this position because the
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Speaker 12: Prime Minister won't answer a simple question that has got
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Speaker 12: no national security implications, no security implications for the nation.
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Speaker 12: The simple question that was asked quite some time ago
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Speaker 12: was when were you briefed? You know, I would have
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Speaker 12: thought that was pretty simple and we wouldn't have wasted
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Speaker 12: all this time because it just looks like the Prime
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Speaker 12: minister's got something to hide now because he's refusing to
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Speaker 12: answer a simple question.
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Speaker 3: Now, just quickly, because you're a Senator for South Australia,
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Speaker 3: as you know, I focus a lot on the energy
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Speaker 3: crisis in this country.
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Speaker 2: On this program, we've.
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Speaker 3: Talked about at least eight major hydrogen programs, green hydrogen
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Speaker 3: programs announced with great fanfare by labor that have fallen
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Speaker 3: over because the private sector, even with government subsidies, can't
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Speaker 3: make them stack up.
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Speaker 2: There's a big green.
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Speaker 3: Hydrogen project plan for Wayala backed by the state government
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Speaker 3: in South Australia. Questions about that, now does that look
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Speaker 3: like falling over as well?
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Speaker 12: Well, look, it is a really bothersome development that we've seen,
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Speaker 12: but we've known for some time that many of these
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Speaker 12: pipe dream announcements that we've seen come from both the
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Speaker 12: state labor government and the federal labor government support are
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Speaker 12: exactly that they're a pip. I mean, we really do
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Speaker 12: need to be saying to our leaders in this country
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Speaker 12: in the middle of the cost of living crisis, please
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Speaker 12: focus on the short, medium and long term goal of
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Speaker 12: making sure that Australians have got affordable and reliable energy,
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Speaker 12: you know, going out there and throwing billions or hundreds
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Speaker 12: of billions if not more money at projects like these
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Speaker 12: when we really should be focusing on the issue that's
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Speaker 12: at hand at the moment, and that is making sure
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Speaker 12: that we've got long term security. And it's all eggs
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Speaker 12: in one basket pipe dream that we're seeing play out
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Speaker 12: around hydrogen. It is a really really serious issue up
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Speaker 12: in the Iron Triangle around Wyala, and I think it's
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Speaker 12: really disappointing that the governments are playing games with the
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Speaker 12: lives and livelihoods of people who live up there, who
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Speaker 12: must wake up every morning particularly worried about their jobs
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Speaker 12: and their community and their families. I think it's disgraceful.
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Speaker 3: But on Anne Rustin, thanks so much for joining us.
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Speaker 3: She is right there. The green hydrogen dream is over.
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Speaker 3: Billions of dollars of your money pumped into it. It
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Speaker 3: ain't happening any we're in this country.
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Speaker 2: We'll keep on this issue.
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Speaker 3: I'll have some developing news too when it comes to
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Speaker 3: nuclear power later in the program, But for now, I
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Speaker 3: want to go back to the Middle East and more
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Speaker 3: on Donald Trump's astonishing Middle East intervention.
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Speaker 2: As I said yesterday, would be.
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Speaker 3: Spending days and weeks getting details and responses because so
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Speaker 3: many questions were left on answers and what we've heard
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Speaker 3: no more from the President today. We have heard from
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Speaker 3: his spokesperson who was hosing down expectations.
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Speaker 14: We've had the same people pushing the same solutions to
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Speaker 14: this problem for decades, and it's been made very clear
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Speaker 14: to the President that the United States needs to be
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Speaker 14: involved in this rebuilding effort to ensure stability in the
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Speaker 14: region for all people. But that does not mean boots
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Speaker 14: on the ground in Gaza. It does not mean American
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Speaker 14: taxpayers will be funding this effort. It means Donald Trump,
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Speaker 14: who is the best deal maker on the planet, is
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Speaker 14: going to strike and deal with our partners in the region.
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Speaker 3: Maybe no soldiers and maybe no money. That doesn't sound right,
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Speaker 3: does it. It certainly doesn't match up too well with
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Speaker 3: what Trump said yesterday. The rebuilding and resecuring of Gaza
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Speaker 3: can't happen without soldiers, and if the US is going
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Speaker 3: to lead, it'll need to be there. So have a
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Speaker 3: look at this, and note the word temporary.
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Speaker 14: I can confirm that the President is committed to rebuilding
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Speaker 14: Gaza and to temporarily relocating those who are there, because,
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Speaker 14: as I've showed you repeatedly, it is a demolition site.
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Speaker 14: There is no running water, there is no electricity. The
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Speaker 14: President wants these individuals to live in peace. He is
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Speaker 14: committed to doing that with this very bold new plan,
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Speaker 14: and we will continue to keep you apprized of updates as.
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Speaker 5: We receive them.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: I thought it seemed obvious yesterday that Trump was talking
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Speaker 3: about temporary relocations while Gaza is rebuilt, which is why
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Speaker 3: critics talking about ethnic cleansing were typically hysterical. Still, it
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Speaker 3: remains unclear just where Trump and Israel will take this,
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Speaker 3: but the new US Defense Secretary Shaw has a point.
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Speaker 15: I would just say to the question of Gaza, the
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Speaker 15: definition of insanity is attempting to do the same thing
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Speaker 15: over and over and over again. And as the President
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Speaker 15: and Prime Minister pointed out last night, a president is
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Speaker 15: willing to think outside the box, look for new and unique,
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Speaker 15: dynamic ways to solve problems.
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Speaker 3: It's safe to say this game but aims to get
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Speaker 3: more out of other players. The US will want greater
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Speaker 3: humanitarian input from Jordan, which used to run the West Bank,
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Speaker 3: and Egypt, which used to run Gaza, and there will
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Speaker 3: be an enormous amount of money needed, which is where
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Speaker 3: Saudi Arabia will be crucial. But the way back here.
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Speaker 3: While I've shown you how the Prime Minister has had
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Speaker 3: nothing to say today, Peter Dutton has shown that you
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Speaker 3: can have something sensible to say while you're waiting for
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Speaker 3: more detail.
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Speaker 8: I suspect President Trump right, he has an expectation that
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Speaker 8: not just America, but that other countries will contribute to
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Speaker 8: the reconstruction so that people can get their lives back
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Speaker 8: and hopefully her mask can be crushed.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's just part of what he had to say.
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Speaker 3: You see, Prime Minister, it's not that hard. Let's go
21:20
Speaker 3: to Israel now and catch up with Gerald Steinberg again.
21:22
Speaker 3: He's the professor of politics at bar Ilan University, joining
21:26
Speaker 3: us live from Jerusalem.
21:28
Speaker 2: Great to talk to you again. Gerald.
21:29
Speaker 3: You must have been blown away by Donald Trump's announcement yesterday.
21:33
Speaker 2: Tell me what you make of this plan and where
21:37
Speaker 2: it will go from here.
21:40
Speaker 11: It's hard to be blown away by anything that Trump
21:42
Speaker 11: says these days. But I think there's a strategy, there's
21:44
Speaker 11: a logic behind this. It's not something you just pulled
21:46
Speaker 11: out of a hat. And we heard his spokesperson saying
21:50
Speaker 11: that the same people have been seeing the same slogans
21:52
Speaker 11: year after year, and you also had your Prime minister
21:55
Speaker 11: speaking making those same statements, those same slogans something called
21:59
Speaker 11: a two state solution, which nobody knows how it's going
22:01
Speaker 11: to happen. It's not going to happen, so you got
22:03
Speaker 11: to come up with something different. So what Trump has
22:05
Speaker 11: done is he's shaken up the system. He's thrown this
22:08
Speaker 11: thing out there. I don't think anybody expects it to
22:11
Speaker 11: be actually implemented. And you mentioned some of the obstacles
22:15
Speaker 11: some of the complexities that would have to be dealt with,
22:18
Speaker 11: boots on the ground, huge amounts of money, getting two
22:22
Speaker 11: million or one point five million, the numbers are very unclear.
22:25
Speaker 11: People out of Gaza, putting them in Egypt and Jordan
22:29
Speaker 11: and Morocco and other places temporarily, whatever that means. So
22:32
Speaker 11: we're not really talking about a plan. We're talking about
22:35
Speaker 11: thinking about this whole process and the whole region in
22:39
Speaker 11: a very different way without the usual slogans. The Palestinians
22:42
Speaker 11: are nowhere near being able or even willing to consider
22:46
Speaker 11: creating a real state. What they've been doing and what
22:48
Speaker 11: they've been told for seventy six years, is we're going
22:51
Speaker 11: to get rid of Israel. We're going to go back
22:53
Speaker 11: to before nineteen forty eight, and that's what led to
22:56
Speaker 11: all these wars, which led to the homos atrocities of
22:58
Speaker 11: October seventh and everything else. Trump is saying, we've got
23:01
Speaker 11: to change that.
23:03
Speaker 10: Now.
23:03
Speaker 11: You come up with a better plan, he says to
23:05
Speaker 11: the Arab leaders who tell him you can't do that,
23:07
Speaker 11: to the Saudis, the Egyptians, Jordanians. You don't like my plan,
23:11
Speaker 11: give me something better. At Qatar, you're going to have
23:14
Speaker 11: to pay for all of this. Figure it all out,
23:16
Speaker 11: and I think that's what as a disruptor, and that's
23:18
Speaker 11: why he likes Elon Musk so much. Musk is a
23:21
Speaker 11: disruptor in the technology area. Let's do something very different,
23:25
Speaker 11: because the other plans haven't worked. I'll just add one
23:28
Speaker 11: more thing that Trump also cut off, finally, all the
23:31
Speaker 11: US funding for this United Nations Refugee and Works Agency
23:36
Speaker 11: that was created in nineteen forty nine to perpetuate the
23:39
Speaker 11: Palestinian victimhood myth and keep them as defined as refugees.
23:44
Speaker 11: We're in four generations and what they've done with that
23:47
Speaker 11: money is they've built this huge terror machine. As we
23:49
Speaker 11: saw under Gaza. Australians pay I think twenty twenty five
23:53
Speaker 11: million dollars a year, not just wasted.
23:56
Speaker 2: It's outrighteous. Well, it's more than wasisted.
23:59
Speaker 3: Some of it goes to fun terrorism and certainly the
24:01
Speaker 3: radicalization of children and the like. Just briefly, I want
24:04
Speaker 3: to get a sense from you about the reaction in Israel. Now, Israel,
24:08
Speaker 3: being the liberal democracy it is, you will having all
24:10
Speaker 3: sorts of reactions there. But is there general positivity about
24:14
Speaker 3: this or is it mainly criticism?
24:17
Speaker 11: No, there's a lot of support for Trump's words. Prime
24:21
Speaker 11: Minister at the Yahoo endorsed them, and people within the
24:23
Speaker 11: coalition that the politicians are very much supportive. The media
24:27
Speaker 11: is much more journalists are much more skeptical, the opposition
24:30
Speaker 11: is more skeptical, and I think some of the things
24:32
Speaker 11: that I said reflect that that this is not going
24:35
Speaker 11: to be a realistic plan, but it's a way to
24:37
Speaker 11: shake things up. And there's really, to a large degree
24:40
Speaker 11: understand that what comes next is the major question, and
24:43
Speaker 11: we'll have to wait and see.
24:44
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's going to do. What are they going to lead?
24:47
Speaker 7: Yeah?
24:48
Speaker 3: And what Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Tim Jordan prepared to sign
24:51
Speaker 3: up to.
24:51
Speaker 2: We shall see. It's fascinating.
24:53
Speaker 3: We'll keep in touch, Gerald, appreciate your time. Gerald Steinberg
24:56
Speaker 3: there from Bartila University. We're going to get to a break.
24:58
Speaker 3: On the other side, I'm going to catch up with
25:00
Speaker 3: the great Headley Thomas about his new podcast series, Will
25:03
Speaker 3: He Solve yet Another Cold case murder Mystery? Let's catch
25:12
Speaker 3: up with perhaps the best joanno in the country. He's
25:15
Speaker 3: an investigative reporter, podcast host, and author, Hedley Thomas. He's
25:20
Speaker 3: a bloke who never gives up. His podcast The Teachers
25:23
Speaker 3: Pet led to Chris Dawson being charged, convicted and sentenced
25:28
Speaker 3: to twenty four years jail for murdering his wife Lynnette
25:31
Speaker 3: in nineteen eighty two, and Headley's latest podcast for The Australian, Bromwin,
25:36
Speaker 3: returns tomorrow and it looks at the nineteen ninety three
25:39
Speaker 3: disappearance of Bromwyn Winfield from Lennox Head in the Northern
25:43
Speaker 3: Rivers region of New South Wales.
25:44
Speaker 2: Here's a snippet, a.
25:46
Speaker 16: Missing mother, a broken family and a cold case that
25:49
Speaker 16: can be solved. Join me Hedley Thomas as the search
25:53
Speaker 16: for Bromwin's killer continues.
25:55
Speaker 10: New episodes are out now. Visit Bromwyn podcast dot com.
26:01
Speaker 2: Headly Thomas joins me in Our Life from Brisbane.
26:03
Speaker 3: Good to talk to you again, mate, can't wait for
26:05
Speaker 3: the new series to be online tomorrow.
26:10
Speaker 2: And it's extraordinary.
26:11
Speaker 3: I know we've touched on this before, but it's extraordinary
26:13
Speaker 3: cases like this and where there's a young mother disappeared
26:18
Speaker 3: and yet everybody appeared capable of believing, including police, that
26:24
Speaker 3: she might have just wandered off or something, that these
26:27
Speaker 3: children would.
26:28
Speaker 9: Just be left.
26:30
Speaker 16: Absolutely Chris, Good to talk to you again. For five
26:34
Speaker 16: years after Bromin disappeared with two girls, age ten and five,
26:39
Speaker 16: she was just treated as that, you know, runaway mum,
26:41
Speaker 16: and it was.
26:44
Speaker 10: Crazy.
26:44
Speaker 16: It never made sense, not to Bromin's friends or her relations,
26:51
Speaker 16: particularly people like her brother Andy Reid. They knew she
26:54
Speaker 16: wouldn't have walked away from her kids. They knew she
26:56
Speaker 16: was divorcing her husband, John, and that there was going
27:00
Speaker 16: to be probably a bitter argument over assets a house
27:04
Speaker 16: in Lennox Head and other assets that they had developed
27:09
Speaker 16: over the years of their marriage. So just terrible that
27:14
Speaker 16: these cases weren't properly investigated by police back then. But
27:20
Speaker 16: after five years, this one did get picked up and
27:23
Speaker 16: it was properly looked at by Detective Glen Taylor, and
27:28
Speaker 16: he spent several years on it and got it to
27:31
Speaker 16: the stage of an inquest that unfolowed in two thousand
27:34
Speaker 16: and two, and there was some very powerful pieces of
27:37
Speaker 16: evidence and ultimately a strong finding delivered at that inquest.
27:43
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've got a grab of Glenn Taylor here from
27:45
Speaker 3: your podcast.
27:46
Speaker 17: Have looked I'd be putting in a written request to
27:52
Speaker 17: the coroner seeking a coroner's order that the site begs
28:00
Speaker 17: and by way of imaging, or you can set out
28:03
Speaker 17: your reasons why you have some suspicions that Romin could
28:09
Speaker 17: have been disposed of. I believe that the certainly should
28:13
Speaker 17: be doing looking at that right now.
28:16
Speaker 2: Headley. It's always difficult, isn't it when you don't have
28:18
Speaker 2: a body.
28:18
Speaker 8: Now.
28:18
Speaker 3: The husband here claims denies any allegations level at him,
28:23
Speaker 3: claims he knows nothing about this. But you know there
28:26
Speaker 3: was that coronial inquest. As you say, now, you've been
28:29
Speaker 3: on this case for a long while. There's been a
28:30
Speaker 3: lot of publicity, a lot of facts put into the
28:33
Speaker 3: public arena. Is there any hint of movement here, any
28:36
Speaker 3: hint of fresh investigations and actually getting towards solving this case?
28:42
Speaker 16: The Unsolved Homicide Unit from New South Wales, Chris they
28:47
Speaker 16: play their cards very close to their chest. They'd effectively
28:49
Speaker 16: given up on this case in May last year, and
28:52
Speaker 16: then we started the podcast.
28:54
Speaker 10: People started coming forward.
28:56
Speaker 16: Detective Sergeant Glenn Taylor, long retired, who you just saw.
29:00
Speaker 16: He was talking there about the evidence of information that
29:05
Speaker 16: he has learned from the podcast. Information that relates to
29:09
Speaker 16: a building site in Sydney in the Shire, near a
29:14
Speaker 16: place called Illawong, where it's suspected Bromwin's remains may lie
29:20
Speaker 16: beneath the slab of an existing house, and what Glenn
29:23
Speaker 16: was talking.
29:23
Speaker 10: About there was his view that the coroner.
29:27
Speaker 16: Currently the state Coroner Treesa. O'Sullivan, could use her powers
29:32
Speaker 16: to order a search of that site.
29:35
Speaker 10: To rule it out. Glenn believes that the evidence.
29:39
Speaker 16: The circumstantial evidence, and that relates to a number of
29:43
Speaker 16: things which listeners will.
29:45
Speaker 10: Understand from following this podcast series.
29:47
Speaker 16: But Glenn says that if he were the detective in
29:50
Speaker 16: charge of the case now, knowing what he's learned from
29:53
Speaker 16: the podcast, he would be seeking that order from the
29:56
Speaker 16: search the site, and he believes that he would get
29:59
Speaker 16: it because he said the circumstantial evidence, being what it is,
30:03
Speaker 16: rises to the level that he reckons it would be granted.
30:06
Speaker 10: So we're waiting to find.
30:08
Speaker 16: Out whether a search by a police or the coroner
30:11
Speaker 16: of that site might be viable.
30:15
Speaker 10: For obvious reasons, we haven't wanted to go trapesing over
30:18
Speaker 10: it ourselves. It's a private.
30:20
Speaker 16: Dwelling, but I think there's real hope in the family
30:24
Speaker 16: and we're not suggesting saying that she must be there,
30:29
Speaker 16: but it needs to be ruled out.
30:31
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fascinating.
30:32
Speaker 3: There's a direct challenge there if you like our opportunity
30:35
Speaker 3: for authorities to take this up. And good on your
30:39
Speaker 3: Headly for continuing in that pressure and that will only
30:42
Speaker 3: gather as the podcast rolls out. Thanks for joining us,
30:45
Speaker 3: Headley Thomas. They are alive from Brisbane. Now for more
30:47
Speaker 3: on this, you can just go to brommanpodcast dot com
30:50
Speaker 3: dot au and you can follow this next series and
30:53
Speaker 3: Heavely Thomas. They're showing exactly where it really should go next.
30:58
Speaker 2: Now we've got to go to a break.
30:59
Speaker 3: On the other side, I'm going to catch up with
31:00
Speaker 3: Foreman Foreign Minister Alexander down and get his thoughts on Gaza. Also,
31:04
Speaker 3: we'll catch up again with Grace stanky She's the former
31:06
Speaker 3: Miss America who happens to be a nuclear engineer and
31:09
Speaker 3: she's touring Australia saying we ought to.
31:11
Speaker 2: Get rid of our nuclear band.
31:17
Speaker 3: A couple of weeks ago I introduced you to a
31:20
Speaker 3: remarkable young woman, Grace Stanker, who's a twenty two year
31:23
Speaker 3: old who won the Miss America pageant in twenty twenty three.
31:26
Speaker 3: She's also a nuclear engineer and an advocate for the
31:30
Speaker 3: industry and she's now coming to the end of her
31:32
Speaker 3: tour of Australia for the group Nuclear for Australia. Grace
31:36
Speaker 3: Stanky now joins me from Sydney.
31:38
Speaker 2: Good to catch up with you. Grace. We talked to
31:40
Speaker 2: you before you headed out here.
31:42
Speaker 3: Now you've been right across the country talking to groups
31:45
Speaker 3: of Perth Adelaide, the nation's capital yesterday. What's your take
31:49
Speaker 3: on the state of the debate here at the moment.
31:54
Speaker 5: Yes, I think the Australian people are truly craving information
31:57
Speaker 5: and knowledge. The amount of questions that we got an
31:59
Speaker 5: engine of one of our sessions and the amount of
32:01
Speaker 5: people that would come up afterwards, and I swear I
32:03
Speaker 5: could talk for hours. The only reason I couldn't stay
32:06
Speaker 5: for three hours after each event was because you know,
32:08
Speaker 5: I did have to sleep a little bit. But it's
32:10
Speaker 5: amazing because the Australian people are craving factual information and
32:14
Speaker 5: they want to bring nuclear to the table to make
32:16
Speaker 5: sure that we're transitioning to clean energy right, not just
32:18
Speaker 5: in Australia but across the globe.
32:20
Speaker 2: Yeah.
32:20
Speaker 3: Now in Camebra yesterday, we shouted it on the program.
32:23
Speaker 3: You got to tie to the feral aspects of Australian
32:25
Speaker 3: politics when you had the independence and it's a lydia
32:29
Speaker 3: thorpe a scream out at you and your colleagues here
32:32
Speaker 3: as a reminder of that.
32:48
Speaker 4: You don't find it all your children children.
32:56
Speaker 3: Now I have to apologize you, to apologize to you,
32:59
Speaker 3: grice on behalf.
32:59
Speaker 2: Of the nation. We're not all like that.
33:01
Speaker 3: Normally we can respectfully disagree and be robust but polite.
33:05
Speaker 3: But I want to go to the actual substance of
33:08
Speaker 3: that shouting, and that was about nuclear being toxic and
33:12
Speaker 3: poisoning our children and our children's children.
33:16
Speaker 2: Is that an element of the debate still?
33:17
Speaker 3: Do you find that as a reason for people opposing
33:21
Speaker 3: nuclear anymore?
33:24
Speaker 5: You know, if that certainly is a fear, I think
33:26
Speaker 5: that people should start spending some more time indoors, because
33:29
Speaker 5: after all, when you're stepping outside, you're getting exposed to radiation.
33:32
Speaker 5: If you're eating a banana, you're eating radiation. Radiation is
33:35
Speaker 5: all around us. We as human beings, are radiation. I
33:38
Speaker 5: think the whole deeper message behind this is that people
33:41
Speaker 5: need to understand where the facts are. They need to
33:44
Speaker 5: understand the science, and they need to know where to
33:45
Speaker 5: ask questions. And you've got these Australian nuclear experts right
33:49
Speaker 5: here that we've been bringing with us on this tour,
33:52
Speaker 5: and they've got all of the answers.
33:54
Speaker 10: Yeah.
33:54
Speaker 3: Now, globally, Australia's really out of step globe.
34:00
Speaker 2: Aren't we.
34:00
Speaker 3: I was in your neck of the woods earlier this year,
34:03
Speaker 3: went to Three Mile Island where even that controversial plant,
34:06
Speaker 3: one of the reactors that had been operating, is being
34:08
Speaker 3: restarted now to supply Microsoft with reliable energy. And I
34:12
Speaker 3: just want to show some headlines now. In the last
34:15
Speaker 3: twenty four hours, the UK Prime Minister, a labor a
34:18
Speaker 3: leftist prime minister, has announced that he's getting rid of
34:21
Speaker 3: a lot of the planning controls and rules and regulations
34:24
Speaker 3: to allow Britain to build many more nuclear power facilities.
34:29
Speaker 3: This is happening all around the world, yet Australia sort
34:31
Speaker 3: of stuck in the nineteen seventies.
34:35
Speaker 5: Yeah, it certainly is, you know, And I think that
34:37
Speaker 5: it's not impossible for Australia to catch up, but I
34:39
Speaker 5: think it's important that they do. These conversations that we've
34:43
Speaker 5: been having as a result of this tour continue to
34:45
Speaker 5: demonstrate that that the Australian people want that, and it's
34:48
Speaker 5: up to the government to step up and follow the
34:50
Speaker 5: will of the public.
34:51
Speaker 3: Well, thanks for joining us, Grace, Thanks for coming out
34:53
Speaker 3: to Australia. I hope you've got some downtime to check
34:55
Speaker 3: out a few beaches or wineries at some stage and
34:57
Speaker 3: we'll keep in touch. Thank you so much, Grace. Thank
35:03
Speaker 3: you their former Miss America nuclear engineer, adding some fresh
35:08
Speaker 3: positive attitudes to the nuclear debate here in Australia. Let's
35:11
Speaker 3: cross to Adelaide down catch up with my former boss
35:14
Speaker 3: and the former Foreign Minister of this great nation, Alexander Downer.
35:18
Speaker 2: Good to talk to Alexander Gee.
35:20
Speaker 3: Your whole working life, you've been dealing with the imbroglios
35:24
Speaker 3: that are thrown up by the Middle East, and you've
35:26
Speaker 3: been a strong friend of Israel's and been there many times,
35:29
Speaker 3: of course, but even you surely couldn't have dreamed of
35:32
Speaker 3: that announcement in the way it was delivered, in the
35:35
Speaker 3: scope of it yesterday from Donald Trump.
35:40
Speaker 9: No.
35:40
Speaker 6: I watched the press conference myself, Donald Trump and Nasan Yahoo,
35:46
Speaker 6: the Israeli Prime Minister, and I've never seen anything like it.
35:50
Speaker 6: But I mean good luck to him, because here's right,
35:55
Speaker 6: the status quo is finished. There is no point. There
35:59
Speaker 6: is no point in continuing to promote exactly the same
36:03
Speaker 6: formula which has led to exactly the same results, which
36:08
Speaker 6: is you get a cease far, a bit of time
36:10
Speaker 6: elapses and then the fighting starts again. Then there's another
36:15
Speaker 6: cease far, time elapses, and then the fighting starts again.
36:19
Speaker 3: People are dying.
36:21
Speaker 6: Gaza is not prospering, the Palestinian people are not prospering.
36:28
Speaker 6: And so I don't think in detail this is what
36:32
Speaker 6: will happen what Trump announced, but I do think it
36:36
Speaker 6: was a wonderful case of a leader disrupting the status
36:41
Speaker 6: quo when it's clear the status quo won't work anymore.
36:46
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think there are a number of fundamental aspects
36:48
Speaker 3: to it, and if you break it right down, surely
36:50
Speaker 3: everybody who wants to see peace and recovery there it
36:54
Speaker 3: has to understand. Firstly, you need to rebuild Gaza and
36:58
Speaker 3: provide security there. Obviously, because of the political situation Israel,
37:03
Speaker 3: they don't want Israel doing that, and Israel probably hasn't
37:06
Speaker 3: got a willingness to do that.
37:07
Speaker 2: And because of the way the.
37:09
Speaker 3: UN has failed repeatedly in that area, especially in southern Lebanon,
37:14
Speaker 3: you wouldn't trust the un to run it. The fact
37:16
Speaker 3: that Trump says the US is prepared to lead that task,
37:20
Speaker 3: whether it's with other nations or not, surely the whole
37:23
Speaker 3: of the world should welcome that.
37:27
Speaker 6: Yeah, there are essentially three things that have to be
37:31
Speaker 6: done here. One is, the Iran has to understand that
37:34
Speaker 6: this is the end of the game of them using
37:37
Speaker 6: these proxies and arming these proxies to attack Israel, and
37:41
Speaker 6: Trump has made that perfectly clear. Plus he's said they
37:45
Speaker 6: will never have a nuclear weapon, and we all know
37:48
Speaker 6: what that means. Secondly, you have to get the moderate
37:53
Speaker 6: Arab states engaged. That's Egypt, Jordan importantly, Saudi Arabia, UAE,
37:59
Speaker 6: and so on. You've got to get them to buy
38:02
Speaker 6: in to solving this problem with the United States. And
38:08
Speaker 6: there's no point in just rebuilding Gaza for the Palestinians
38:13
Speaker 6: to launch another war against the Israelis and Gaza be
38:17
Speaker 6: leveled again. You have to find a completely new political
38:21
Speaker 6: settlement there. Everything has been tried. Politicians are just giving
38:27
Speaker 6: us empty words about two state solutions and they have
38:32
Speaker 6: no idea how that could ever be achieved. Trump is saying,
38:37
Speaker 6: we need a completely new.
38:39
Speaker 3: Approach to this.
38:40
Speaker 6: How that will work out. Will time will tell.
38:43
Speaker 2: Well, just on three of those crucial countries.
38:45
Speaker 3: With Jordan and Egypt, surely he's trying to drag them
38:49
Speaker 3: in for at least temporarily accommodating some Palestinians from Gaza,
38:54
Speaker 3: which helps to draw them into actually taking some responsibility
38:58
Speaker 3: for Palestinians. And surely with Saudi Arabia, if you can
39:02
Speaker 3: get them to buy in, the key thing they can
39:04
Speaker 3: contribute apart from their sort of moral support, will be money.
39:10
Speaker 6: Look, I think there are real difficulties with all of this.
39:15
Speaker 6: The Jordanians and the Egyptians don't want Palestinians to move
39:19
Speaker 6: into Jordan and Egypt because the Palestinians are so radicalized.
39:24
Speaker 6: I mean, these are Islmists. They don't want hardcore Islamists
39:28
Speaker 6: moving into their territory and having to deal with that problem.
39:32
Speaker 3: So there are some.
39:34
Speaker 6: Real political difficulties for them there. And I'm not unsympathetic,
39:39
Speaker 6: but you're right those countries, plus the rich Gulf States
39:45
Speaker 6: and Kata should be included in that as well, have
39:49
Speaker 6: to be involved with the Americans in putting together a
39:53
Speaker 6: political settlement. And then I mean the rebuilding of Gaza,
39:58
Speaker 6: not until you have political settlement. Is there any point
40:02
Speaker 6: in spending money on the rebuilding of Gaza? And I
40:05
Speaker 6: I can't just make one other point. You want the
40:08
Speaker 6: UN right out of this. The UN has destroyed its
40:12
Speaker 6: credibility in the Middle East and they will have no
40:17
Speaker 6: influence and in future they should have no real role.
40:20
Speaker 6: They have destroyed their credibility.
40:23
Speaker 3: Alexander Downer, thanks so much for those insights. Are strong
40:26
Speaker 3: words there from Alexander Downer when it comes to the UN,
40:29
Speaker 3: and I can see you, I can almost see you
40:33
Speaker 3: nodding your heads in agreement. At home, we've got to
40:36
Speaker 3: take a break on the other side and catch up
40:37
Speaker 3: with Tim Blair and Mark Nicholson.
40:39
Speaker 2: Talk about Anthony Albanezi.
40:41
Speaker 3: I'll show you how he's now channeling who else but
40:44
Speaker 3: Joe Biden. Let's get into our national cabinet with the
40:51
Speaker 3: Daily Telegraphs. Tim Blair joining us from the Wimmera in
40:53
Speaker 3: Victoria and in Melbourne. Mark Nicholson from step Mate studio.
40:57
Speaker 3: It's good to talk to you too again. That just
41:00
Speaker 3: one without notice. Here we've been busy congratulating Labor for
41:04
Speaker 3: finally seeing the sense of the coalition's push for mandatory
41:08
Speaker 3: minimum sentences for terrorism offenses. So they've rolled over and
41:13
Speaker 3: agreed to that, voted for it in Parliament. I need
41:15
Speaker 3: to point out and get your thoughts on this that
41:17
Speaker 3: the Greens of course opposed this, and voting with the
41:21
Speaker 3: Greens against this tough measure on terrorism were the Tills
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Speaker 3: Monique Ryan, Kate Cheney, Zarie Stegel and Zoe Daniel. It's astonishing,
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Speaker 3: isn't it. Mark, And we need to make sure that
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Speaker 3: people in the Till seats know this.
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Speaker 2: Stuff exactly, Mate.
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Speaker 9: It's what's ironic is that it's these people and their
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Speaker 9: lack of conviction to be able to make a stand
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Speaker 9: and then say the right things and to know all
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Speaker 9: of this stuff comes from the top. Is the reason
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Speaker 9: why we're even in this mess, that we have to
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Speaker 9: go down this path. Like I'm formerly a person from
41:58
Speaker 9: law school. My grand total is six weeks for professional practice.
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Speaker 9: It had been drummed into me from UNI days that
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Speaker 9: mandatory minimum sentences are not a good thing. But what
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Speaker 9: are you supposed to do at this point?
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Speaker 2: What are you supposed to do?
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Speaker 9: You have to you have to do something at this
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Speaker 9: point because these people aren't saying the right things. Well,
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Speaker 9: it's time for us to come down hard and do
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Speaker 9: the right thing, otherwise we'll just keep repeating the same mess. So, yeah, man,
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Speaker 9: what a crazy place that he is up in camera.
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Speaker 3: As sure as it bills, the cat doesn't Attimde's Tiols
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Speaker 3: always try to pass themselves off as sort of liberal lights.
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Speaker 2: But they're greens.
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Speaker 3: They're a different shade of green there are.
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Speaker 1: They are greens with a lot more dollar signs involved.
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Speaker 1: And that's and that's taking look out the fact that
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Speaker 1: greens are usually a bit more cashed up than the
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Speaker 1: rest of us anyway. But yeah, there's a whole social
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Speaker 1: strata that Mark alludes to, which which is both sort
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Speaker 1: of socially far left and and then oddly sort of
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Speaker 1: suscept oddly embracing of things like, you know, being soft
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Speaker 1: on terrorism. And this is all because they're remote from it.
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Speaker 1: They will never suffer into the impact of it. It's
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Speaker 1: the same with immigration debate. You'll have always until saying
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Speaker 1: oh no, no, we're going to be fine with immigration
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Speaker 1: more more and more and more more. It's all cool.
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Speaker 1: And that's because they live in basically the equivalent of
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Speaker 1: gated communities present.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think Zaralie's ever seen a terrorist at
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Speaker 3: a French ski resort.
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Speaker 2: But you never know.
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Speaker 3: I just want to go on to something I saw Anthony.
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Speaker 3: I've an easy saying today and if you guys were watching,
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Speaker 3: I'm certain you would have had a similar response.
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Speaker 2: You would have thought, where have I heard this before?
43:27
Speaker 2: Here's the Prime Minister.
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Speaker 7: We need to build back better. We can't continue to
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Speaker 7: have a view that you just do the same thing
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Speaker 7: because you'll get the same results. And we are committed
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Speaker 7: to building back better.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, now he's not talking about Gaza. We know he's
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Speaker 3: got nothing to say about Gaza. He was talking about
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Speaker 3: a serious issue, the floods and the damage to infrastructure
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Speaker 3: in Queensland.
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Speaker 2: But build back better. Where have we heard that before?
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Speaker 10: Mate?
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Speaker 1: We've heard it from the US, where where our man
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Speaker 1: Alva is basically taking his cues. Now, by the way,
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Speaker 1: was that build back cat in the background? I'm not
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Speaker 1: sure what the what the source of the video was,
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Speaker 1: but it looked like a lot about paper commentator it was.
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Speaker 3: Indeed, Kado was in the background, and he did jump
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Speaker 3: into the press conference for a short while, which was
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Speaker 3: unusual because I thought once he started speaking he'd go
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Speaker 3: for about five minutes.
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Speaker 2: But he kept it pretty tight four hour exactly. Let's
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Speaker 2: see we do it.
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Speaker 3: I want to just show you wort to show that
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Speaker 3: this is where we heard build back better previously. Do
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Speaker 3: we have a framework for my build back Better initiative?
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Speaker 2: In order to meet the challenges the day.
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Speaker 10: We can't just build back the way things were before.
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Speaker 10: You have to build back better.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, there you go, Tim. As soon as as soon
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Speaker 3: as Joe Biden wakes up, he'll probably see our bow
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Speaker 3: for plagiarism.
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Speaker 1: It is a weird thing for the prime minister to
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Speaker 1: be borrowing from one of the most you know, defined
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Speaker 1: by failure recent presidential stints in the US. But he's
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Speaker 1: also at the same time this is how things are
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Speaker 1: trending for the prime minister. He's also kind of adopting
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Speaker 1: a kind of a small target strategy from leadership, like
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Speaker 1: painting your opposition more as the leaders than himself as
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Speaker 1: a scrap underdog, which is what, of course Kamala Harris
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Speaker 1: tried to do. Neither Biden nor Harris found winning victories
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Speaker 1: through these paths, and here we've got the Australian Prime
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Speaker 1: Minister trying to replicate them. It isn't making a great
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Speaker 1: deal of sense.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, Mark, you wouldn't be advising Albou to learn from Biden.
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Speaker 9: What a losing strategy, What a losing strategy. That's the
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Speaker 9: dumbest thing I've ever seen, But it makes absolute sense.
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Speaker 3: He did it at the last election.
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Speaker 9: Remember we did an episode about Albo catching up with
45:43
Speaker 9: Biden down in the basement and do that small target strategy,
45:47
Speaker 9: and now he's trying this as well.
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Speaker 3: It's the similarities are actually.
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Speaker 9: Uncanny, completely brain dead, nothing really to stand on, just
45:55
Speaker 9: wandering around aimlessly, flailing around and trying to demonize and
45:58
Speaker 9: dehumanize their opponent. It's look, to be honest, it's kind
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Speaker 9: of nice. I miss Biden desperately, so it's kind of
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Speaker 9: nice to see. Well.
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Speaker 18: Yeah, as you remind us, Albow had the best week
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Speaker 18: of his campaign last time when he was stuck at
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Speaker 18: home with COVID, so I'm only we hoping for long
46:14
Speaker 18: COVID this time around.
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Speaker 3: I suppose. Now let's go to a neurrable energy and
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Speaker 3: the impact it's having close to your neck of the woods. Tim,
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Speaker 3: Here's a Channel nine report.
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Speaker 19: A wind turbine's blade sit crumpled in a heap after
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Speaker 19: crashing one hundred and twelve meters to the ground Burybank
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Speaker 19: wind Farm, eighty kilometers west of Geelong. The preliminary investigation
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Speaker 19: is focusing on lightning strikes in the area. This is
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Speaker 19: currently viewed as an isolated incident.
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Speaker 3: It's a worry, tim because there's a lot of them
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Speaker 3: around and a lot more going up.
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Speaker 1: It's like friendly fire, isn't It's being attacked by the
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Speaker 1: climate that it's trying to save. I allan the Victorian
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Speaker 1: Premier's response to this, because obviously people have pointed out
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Speaker 1: these things are dangerous. They can't handle high winds funnily enough,
47:06
Speaker 1: you know when they do for all. The other good
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Speaker 1: thing that happens really is that a lot of endangered
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Speaker 1: birds don't get minced anymore. But you're in there and
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Speaker 1: this great mind about how to criticize it is to
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Speaker 1: attack the renewable energy transition. How dare anyone to attack
47:20
Speaker 1: the renewable energy transition?
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Speaker 2: How dare they show some.
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Speaker 1: Manners so some respect for our wind spitting overlords.
47:26
Speaker 3: I've just got to try and squeeze in this lovely
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Speaker 3: bit of executive order action from Donald Trump today and
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Speaker 3: get your thoughts on it.
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Speaker 2: Mark.
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Speaker 3: This is Donald Trump among a bunch of young kids
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Speaker 3: signing an executive order about biological men.
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Speaker 6: If you'd like to gather around me, I think I'm
47:43
Speaker 6: going to be you come.
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Speaker 2: Secret Services worried about them. We have to worry about them.
47:58
Speaker 2: We have big problems.
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Speaker 3: Just fantastic, Mark, he's signing in front of all those
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Speaker 3: girls in order to make sure they don't have to
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Speaker 3: compete against biological boys or men.
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Speaker 9: It's extraordinary, extraordinary, Chris and I as a bloke that's
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Speaker 9: about to bring a biological girl into this world, I
48:16
Speaker 9: couldn't be happier that she's going to have some fairness
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Speaker 9: in sport and and actually be safe and not have
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Speaker 9: to fight men in sport. That's awesome. Isn't that a
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Speaker 9: real president? Not a single one of those children's heads
48:27
Speaker 9: got sniffed.
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Speaker 3: That's completely different than what Biden would have done.
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Speaker 9: He would have sniffed every single one of them.
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Speaker 2: What a beautiful thing.
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Speaker 3: The world is healing, boys, Thanks so much for joining us,
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Speaker 3: Mark and Tim appreciate it.
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Speaker 2: See you next week. Now we've got the special interview
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Speaker 2: for you. Peter Quidlin with Peter Dutton.