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Dr. Kent Hovind Destroys Atheist Jr. | Should Evolution be taught in Public Schools? | Standing For Truth · Brett Keane and Eve Show

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Now, tonight is the big night. This is the much anticipated
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debate between atheist, Junior and dr.
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Kent hovind. They will be debating.
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Should Evolution be taught. In public schools.
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This is an exciting one. This is sure.
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Going to be one to remember. I can guarantee you that and
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let's waste no time. You guys came here to see The
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Debaters and not me. So why don't we kind of break
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the ice here? Dr. Hoeven and AJ thanks so much
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for being here. Gentlemen, you guys are on mute,
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but why don't we do a couple brief introductions first who
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you are? What's going on over at your on
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over at your ministry, dr. Hovind, you've been Are about 18
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times, so you're no stranger to this Channel and Ministry.
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Thanks again for giving us your time.
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Dr. Alban, you ran from me, my pleasure, if you want to give a
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brief introduction. Kent, what's going on over at
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now? Yeah, go ahead.
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All right. Well thank you.
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My name is Kent hovind. I was a high school science and
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math, teacher 15 years. I've been ordained Baptist
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preacher for 47 years. I take the position.
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The Bible is absolutely true cover to cover and the Earth was
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made in six days by God. Like just like you said, he did
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dinosaurs lived with man all through history, they did not
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live millions of years ago. The flood of Noah is the only
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reasonable logical way to explain all the geology that we
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see on the earth. The geologic column does not
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exist. Anywhere on the planet, there is
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no evidence for evolution whatsoever, evolution is the
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dumbest and most dangerous religion in the history of
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humanity. There's never been a dumber idea
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than to believe mosquitoes and whales are related and came from
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a common ancestor. So those are the nice things.
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We have a dinosaur Adventure, Land, in Lenox Hill, Bella theme
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park, I Museum of Science Center.
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It's all free. Come on down.
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Look to have you awesome. Well thank you for that
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introduction. Dr. Hovind I do plan to visit
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one day. So thanks again.
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And why don't we hand it over to atheist?
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Jr. You are on mute, just make sure
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you unmute yourself, brief introduction.
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This is your first time debating on this channel so tell us tell
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the audience who you are and if they were to go check out your
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channel. What are they going to find?
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Yes, I personally don't have a theme park.
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I do have a YouTube channel though.
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And on my channel, I talk about religion and the problems I find
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with it. I have interviews with atheists
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and theists alike, you know, people of all religions and non
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religions are welcome on my channel, you know, so I want to
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create an welcome environment just like sft does.
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So that's about it for me. Awesome, I appreciate it.
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Thanks for being here. Thanks for doing this.
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Debate. This is an important topic,
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that's for sure. Before we get right into it, I
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want to go over the format for the evening for the audience.
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So we are going to be starting with 10 minute opening
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statements atheist Junior's going to start.
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He's in the affirmative today, followed by uninterrupted
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five-minute rebuttals, and then an equally time cordial
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discussion. I will moderate, of course, and
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we'll keep it to one Topic at a time.
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Will end it with Three-minute concluding statements and then
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an audience Q&A. So everybody please your make
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sure you're tagging me at standing for truth.
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We usually have a lively audience so I don't want to miss
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your question. Make sure you are tagging me.
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That being said, let's waste no more time.
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Atheist Junior, the floor is yours.
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If you need to screen share, let me know and I can do.
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So you have 10 minutes whenever you're ready.
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Okay. Should I share my screen?
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Yes. On my end.
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Okay. Yeah.
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Okay, all right. Thank you, sft.
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Thanks. Kent for being here.
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Okay. So there is a reason that I
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chose the topic of today's debate to be should Evolution be
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taught in schools. Now.
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Right off the bat, I want to define a few words, Evolution a
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change in allele frequencies in a population over Generations.
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Evolution variation within species, driven by natural
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selection, macro-evolution genetic changes at an above the
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species level, which includes speciation micro and
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macro-evolution are both subsets of evolution.
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They Encompass the same process, but at different scales science,
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scientists two things. One the pursuit of data and
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understanding of the natural world, following a systematic
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methodology based on evidence to the process of using the
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scientific method. To research these natural
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phenomena, do experiments and make novel testable predictions.
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Now Kent conflates by definition of evolution with big bang
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cosmology and the origin of life because he's attempting to back
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up his argument. That evolution is a religion.
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So he's forced to say it goes all the way back to the
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beginning of the universe. Like creationism does can't
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claim that Evolution should not be taught in public schools
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because it is a religion. Evolutionary theory does not
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describe on moral code, to follow the origin of the
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universe or life on Earth and does Not describe an afterlife.
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I would have preferred to ask should young Earth creationism
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be taught in public schools but I knew Kent wouldn't accept that
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topic. This is because Kent absolutely
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will not defend his own world view during a debate.
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Kent will not defend the Bible likely because of the fact that
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there are many passages in the Bible that he knows are
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indefensible. In fact, I could write a better
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book than the Bible. All I would have to do is take
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the King James version. Rewrite, it word for word, but
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reverse all of the pro-slavery sections, To be anti-slavery.
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Now, Kent will try to poke holes in evolution, but if someone
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ever tries to challenge, Kent to defend creationism, or the Bible
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in the debate, he will say, I'm not asking for my theory to be
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taught at taxpayer expense in the public schools.
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Now, this is not true, it's just can't get out of jail, free card
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and debates. It's him trying to shift the
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burden of proof on to me. Kent published and sold a video
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called Public School presentation.
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Where the intro says, teachers can teach using the Bible.
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He also, Sold a book by Duane Gish titled teaching Creation in
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Science teaching creation science in public schools.
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And Kent has tried to get what he calls lies, out of the
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textbooks. He did this by trying to
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influence legislation in Arkansas, by working with
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representative, Jim Holt to Draft House.
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Bill 254 8. Now, the point of this bill was
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to limit and change. What could be printed in
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textbooks the examples given were classic hoeven talking
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points about vestigial structures.
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The geologic column carbon Eating not working.
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Etc, the bill attempted to block public schools from spending tax
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dollars on textbooks, that contained, quote-unquote, false,
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or fraudulent information. So this bill claimed to have a
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list of information taught us facts about Evolution that has
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all been proven wrong. However, I can show that at
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least one of the claims featured is false and fraudulent it
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claims, that carbon dating is ineffective because of an
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example, given of a mammoth lower leg having one date and
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its skin, having a different However, if we look at the
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actual scientific paper that the information came from, we can
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see that the first state on the top right.
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If you can see that with the red arrow is 1940, but the date on
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the bottom right? Is 1948, meaning that these two
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specimens were not the same animal, they were a different
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animal. It was not the same Mammoth now
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creationists say that Evolution can't be true because we weren't
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there in the distant past to observe it.
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But we do see Evolution happening today in the lab
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scientists studied a form of unicellular algae called clammy
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de Monas. They expose the algae to a
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filter feeding predator and in response to predation several
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specimens evolved multicellularity as a defense
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mechanism. So this is a true multicellular
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organism that used to be Yourself and the experiment
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happened over 50 weeks. Now, Kent might say that it's
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still an algae, but normally this algae is single-celled and
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only brings forth, more single-celled algae.
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But this is a new kind of algae. A multicellular one with new
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genetic information. It got new traits like an
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extracellular Matrix. This is not just a colony
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because each cell cannot live on its own.
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And this is beneficial to the survival of the organism because
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it is now too big for the Predator 2.
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I eat can't likes to compare to intentionally different
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organisms and then ask if they are related you did it in his
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opening intro. He does this intentionally to
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make common ancestry. Seem like it goes against Common
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Sense. He won't instead ask if a gerbil
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and hamster related, but if he's going to ask how a mosquito in a
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whale are related or rather, how an insect in a mammal are
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related, I'll do my best to answer it DNA.
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Is the carrier of genetic information in living things.
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It is the reason that a dog only gives birth to other dogs, both
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insects and mammals have DNA in their cells by sequencing insect
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and mammal DNA, which involves looking carefully at the order
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of nucleotides. The see atg, scientists can see
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just how closely living things are related.
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So if you want proof of common ancestry, it is shown in the
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genetics, genetics, look at the order at the order of
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nucleotides in DNA. DNA amino acids are coded for by
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m RNA to make proteins, but the important part is that we
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intimately, understand the mechanisms of evolution, we can
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test them and we can understand how these contribute to
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evolutionary Novelties. We can take that information and
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generate a tree of life from it. So why should Evolution be
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taught in schools? The reason it is taught in
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schools is because it is produced cures for diseases such
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as penicillin. It is also used in the research
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of AIDS cancer and more. So schools need to educate the
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next generation of scientists and doctors and give them the
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tools needed to continue fighting novel pathogens, deadly
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microbes and antibiotic-resistant bacteria.
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It is also led to new discoveries and breakthroughs in
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agriculture and farming for example by using artificial
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selection humans. Created the modern Cavendish
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banana and created broccoli from the wild mustard plant.
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Now, this has led to less world hunger, so it's important that
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the new generation of Agriculture students and
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Farmers. Learn about Evolution students
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can learn about topics that might conflict with their
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religion without compromising their beliefs evolutionary
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theory is one of the fundamental building blocks of our
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understanding of life. As it is, currently the best
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existing scientific explanation of the way.
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Our species came to be how Ocean works is vital for all students
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to understand, students should not opt out of learning about a
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central tenant of contemporary science.
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But if they have religious objections to the theories,
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implications the public school has no right to insist that.
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They believe it that is to regard.
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Evolutionary theory is true. They don't have to believe that
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Evolution that humans evolved from a fundamentally different
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species but it's important that they understand why a majority
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of scientists agree that we do. So Kent is free to disagree with
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the scientific consensus. But arguing that kids shouldn't
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learn about Evolution at all and framing it as dangerous.
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Forbidden knowledge is unfair. At least let them learn the
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subject matter and truly understand it and then decide
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for themselves. If they believe it we are
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entering the next Century in which the United States will be
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even more dependent on science and technology that it has been
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our country's future Demands. A citizenry able to use many of
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the same skills that scientists use in their fields.
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Everyday observation careful reasoning critical as well as
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creative thinking. Based on what is known about the
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world, having an ability to use scientific knowledge and
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critical thinking depends on the education that people receive in
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K through 12. So if Kent wants to argue that
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Evolution should not be taught and claims that he is not asking
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for creationism to be taught. Then I would like him to explain
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what should be taught. Should it simply be?
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Neither If evolution has the burden of proof in my opinion,
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it is satisfied. It.
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Many times over and has lapped young Earth creationism.
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If Kent thinks he has no burden of proof.
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He hasn't addressed of Patient to say that creationism should
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be taught outside of his YouTube channel.
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So I say let creation is teach what they want in Sunday school
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but stay out of public school and that's my opening statement.
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Okay. Well thank you for that opening
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there. AJ.
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That was, you got a couple minutes to spare so I'll throw
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it into the open discussion. Period, dr.
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Hoeven whenever you are ready, you've got, you've got 10
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minutes. Alright, well, thank you so much
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appreciate that. I understand why guys like
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atheist jr. And others do not want to really
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give the whole meaning of the word Evolution.
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They want to start with macro and micro Evolution.
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When quite obviously you have to have something to evolve.
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Where did life get started? The six meetings that I have
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given for decades, our Cosmic Evolution?
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Where did time space matter come from?
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That's certainly a phrase, they use Cosmic Evolution.
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You can Google that it's found all over the place and it is
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taught in schools. The Big Bang Theory.
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So that should not be taught if he doesn't want Evolution.
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If he doesn't, it's not part of evolution.
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Well then take the big bang out of the textbooks.
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It's not part of science. Then you'd have to have the
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chemical Evolution where the hydrogen from The Big Bang
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evolved into all the other elements.
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That's never been observed. That's a religious belief, but
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it's not science. Then you'd have to have a
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stellar and planetary Evolution. We've never seen a star form.
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We've never seen a planet form nobody has ever so, but they're
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out there. So, how did it happen?
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We have to be able to give an answer for that if they want to
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teach. It in public school, we're
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discussion tonight is you know, should Evolution be taught in
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public schools? There's a much bigger question.
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Should we have public schools? Maybe the parents ought to be
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teaching their kids what they want them to learn, but that's a
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different topic. The origin of life is never been
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answered. How did life get started?
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And if a bunch of intelligence scientist someday, do create
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life in the laboratory. All that would prove is it takes
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intelligence to make life, which is what I've been saying all
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along but AJ wants to start with macro-evolution change.
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From one kind to another and he says it's the same thing.
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As microevolution, this is absolute baloney.
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Nobody's ever seen an animal change to a different kind of
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animal. Let's see what we have.
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Observed is 339, recognized breeds of dogs.
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Now in 10 different groups, they're still had a common
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ancestor called a dog. And yet, AJ believes an amoeba
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turned into a dog. They will divert attention from
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Um, this obvious teaching by saying, well, of course, dogs
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produce dogs. That's what evolution says.
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Well, that's an absolute lie because Evolutions, if they
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believe dogs produce dogs, an amoeba produce amoeba did the
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amoeba. I eventually produced a dog over
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billions or trillions of years. I'll give you all the time you
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want. So they do teach that animals
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change to a different kind of animal, which is.
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Now, the Bible says, clearly 10 times in the first chapter in
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ten more times in the flood story that the animals bring
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forth after their kind, Went to college.
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I've been talking all day on tour here.
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Darwin, muddied the Water by 10 titling.
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His book, The Origin of Species. Well, as a species, the same as
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kind. I don't think so.
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In some cases, it might be, microevolution, is variation
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within the same kind and that one has been observed
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evolutionary changes within a species or small group of
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organisms, especially over a short period of time, developing
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339, breeds of dogs, from a dog is, would be considered
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microevolution, and that is part of science.
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That's as far as it goes. Example of microevolution,
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they're talking about antibiotic resistance, pesticide
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resistance, herbicide resistance, the mosquitoes in
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the north and Region. 8 are bigger than the mosquitoes are
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no sparrows. I'm sorry.
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Sparrows are larger in Minnesota than they are in Florida.
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Wow okay they're still a sparrow.
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And the bigger bodied sparrows are going to survive better
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where it's cold because they maintain the heat better.
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It's a simple surface area to volume ratio problem.
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Bigger animals have more body, masticate, maintain their heat.
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Of course, they're going to be bigger up North, but they say,
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that's an example of evolution the mosquito population.
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They've learned over, they've evolved over billions of years,
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the mosquitoes have evolved the ability to wait, nine.
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More days to go dormant is still a mosquito.
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They are so desperate for examples.
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I have been saying for a years and AJ says he's watched all my
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videos. That's wonderful.
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Thank you AJ. I just wish they would not use
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lies to teach their theory if you want to teach Evolution
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fine, but don't use lies as an example.
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Like, Hagel talk about the embryo developing in the mother
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having gill slits. This was made up in 1869 and
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proven wrong in 1874. Here's the actual Drawings dog
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human embryo. There's haeckel's drawings, he
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lied. He doctored him up.
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Made him look alike. He had big charts of it.
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This chart right here is haeckel's chart proven wrong in
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1874. Still in the textbooks right
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beside me. Now.
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AJ, if you've got some evidence for evolution, I'd like to see
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it but don't use the gill slits. And for me to go with Jim Holt
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and others and say, look, take the lies out of the books, get
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this lie out of the book AJ if you value, truth and science, -
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why aren't you on a campaign to get the Gill slit Theory, out of
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all the biology textbooks because it's not science.
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He was tried, Hagel was tried at a university, his own University
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held a trial six. Other professor said, haeckel
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you faked the drawings man. You lied on top of his drawings
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underneath her actual photographs.
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He lied. He said a small percentage of my
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drawings are forgeries. Those namely for which The
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observed material is so incomplete or insufficient, as
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to fill in and reconstruct the missing links by hypothesis and
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comparative synthesis. He said I should feel utterly
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condemned, were it not that hundreds of the best observers
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and biologists lie under the same charge?
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Wait a minute. His defense was, it's okay to
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lie because other people lie. No, get it out of the book.
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This has been proven as a fake for a long time AJ and, you
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know, it, but I would guarantee you haven't spent three seconds
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trying to get this lie out of the textbook because this lies
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support, your religion of evolution.
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The human embryo itself at the very early period, could hardly
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be distinguished from that of other members of the vertebrate
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Kingdom. Charles Darwin said based on
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hagel's, fake drawings, these were frauds, it was brought to
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attention and public attention. A 1911 110 years ago, a book
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called haeckel's frauds and forgeries so it's not true.
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I don't mind if they want to teach Evolution but they
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shouldn't be lying back in 1956. When I was three years old they
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said the biogenetic law is a proof for evolution is
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valueless. There's no value to it.
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The biogenetic law cannot be weeded out.
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It's been proven wrong, 1969, biogenetic laws is dead as a
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doornail 1988 to 1997. Owen Hagel was convicted of
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fraud but the drawings persist biology textbook, at the
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University of West Florida down in Pensacola still teaching the
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embryology. Now haeckel's, fake drawings his
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exact drawing, still use it at the University of North Dakota
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it's just simply a lie. So my contention is teach
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Evolution if you want but don't use lies to promote it and I go
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through about 30 lies on my videotape lies in the textbooks
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video number four. You can get in my So I wish we'd
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get some honest evolutionist that would say, you know, we
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like our Theory and we believe our Theory that's fine but we
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should stop lying for evidence for our Theory.
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There are telling the kids I can go through 100.
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Mm here. That the whales they slide
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number of 1518. The textbooks are telling the
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kids that the whale has invested your pelvis.
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There isn't any intelligent biologists on the planet that
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believes this is true. Those little bones in the
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whales. Abdomens are part of its
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reproductive system. Male and female bones are
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different. They have to made underwater in
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the dark with no hands and they can't talk and say squared over
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honey. They have to have special
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muscles and special bones to control all this apparatus to
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make it fit together. This has nothing to do with
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Evolution so take it out of the textbook but they're saying the
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whales used to walk on land, the whale retains pelvic and leg
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bones as useless vestiges still teaching at at the genie.
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Scott still teaching at long after it's been proven wrong
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Glenn. Biology major publisher of
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textbooks saying, the whale has a vestigial pelvis.
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That serves no function, tell that to the whale.
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Modern whales have hind limbs, which have been reduced to a few
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tiny internal, hind limb bones that have no function.
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AJ have you spent three seconds trying to get this lie out of
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the textbook? Or do you like it in there
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because it supports your religion.
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Just imagine Wales walking around, Los Angeles Museum of
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Natural History. As a whale skeleton, hang in
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there. There's the bones right there.
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Those are not vestigial legs. They never have been legs.
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They were not legs. They're not going to be legs.
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They're part of the reproductive system.
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Nothing to do with walking on land.
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But they teach this in schools, like it's part of it.
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National pornographic are Geographic, says, humans are the
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whales had Dolph and dolphins had legs along time ago.
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Whales pelvis is located. Far from the vertebra and has no
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apparent function. The whale doesn't have a pelvis,
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that's the leg bone right there. We got one in our Museum in the
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Next Room. Come on down, AJ.
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I'll show it to you. It's got a blood supply and
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nerve Supply. It's part of the control
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apparatus for making baby wails. Got nothing to do with walking
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on land but they teach it like it's part.
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Part of it vestigial structures. Like the pelvic bones in the
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baleen whale, it's in all the textbooks.
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So my contention is teach. He asked what should be taught
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AJ? Science should be taught in
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science class. We should teach science.
23:54
What do we know the word Seer? Know, what do we know?
23:57
We know whales make baby wails. We do not know that I mean by
24:01
turn to Wales. You can believe that if you
24:03
want, but that's your religion. That's why Evolution should not
24:06
be taught. It's not only dangerous.
24:08
It's dumb, don't keep it at home please.
24:10
I don't want it. I don't want to pay to teach it.
24:12
Go ahead, awesome, just on time and looks like we are heading
24:20
into the rebuttal portion of the debate.
24:23
Thank you so much gentlemen, for your opening statements, I
24:27
appreciate the visuals. We've got some great questions
24:30
coming in already from the audience and we've got a lot of
24:33
lively chat tonight, so why don't we hand it over to AJ AJ?
24:37
You have Five minutes for your rebuttal.
24:40
What I'll do is I'll give you a one minute warning at the
24:43
4-minute, Mark and that way, you'll know to start winding it
24:46
down AJ whenever you're ready, the floor is yours.
24:51
Okay, well, that was a very nice dish, Gallup.
24:54
I think I counted about eight or nine different things you
24:56
brought up, but as for we shouldn't have public schools.
25:01
I would like to like you to explain how the parents of these
25:06
children can simultaneously. A work and teach their own
25:09
children saying that you just want the parents to teach their
25:13
own kids. Kind of strikes me as being
25:16
indoctrination. And we've never seen an animal
25:20
change to a different kind. Well, I provide an example in my
25:23
opening statement of multicellularity coming from a
25:27
single-celled organism over the course of 50 weeks, so it's not
25:32
millions of years. Did the amoeba produce a dog?
25:35
No, you're fundamentally. Mentally misrepresenting
25:40
Evolution. And when you say produce, like
25:43
dogs produce dogs, that's saying a dog gives birth to another
25:46
dog. But when you talk about an
25:48
amoeba producing a dog, that's over the course of millions and
25:51
millions of years. And like I said, we don't need
25:54
to see an amoeba, a single-celled creature, a
25:57
single-celled, organism producing a multi-celled
26:00
organism in the past. I gave an example of it and
26:05
bigger finches. Do better in the cold.
26:08
Environments. Yeah, that's natural selection.
26:10
That's animals adapting to their environment.
26:13
So thank you for providing proof of evolution Kent.
26:17
I don't even want to get into the gill slits thing, but I'm
26:20
just going to skip that the whale pelvis I suppose.
26:25
It's a coincidence that the bones that are shrunken, are
26:30
exactly where the legs of a four-legged animal would be and
26:35
the same thing in the Dolphins. And again, you're
26:40
misrepresenting the definition of what a vestigial structure is
26:44
because even if the bones help the animal health, a whale
26:49
guide, its 15-foot penis, then that's a new function.
26:55
That doesn't meet that that can still be vestigial.
26:57
It doesn't mean that the that the structure has no function at
27:01
all. It just means that it has a
27:02
different function. The brochure you showed from
27:08
National Center for Science, Education.
27:10
You showed the front cover of it, where it says that did a did
27:15
a cow evolve into a whale, if you would open the second page
27:20
of that and actually read it, you would see that that's a
27:22
joke. It the the brochure talks about
27:27
hippos and whales have in common ancestry.
27:30
So I've actually seen that pamphlet and the book you showed
27:34
on whales. I can't get lies out of a
27:37
textbook because That's a children's book about whales and
27:41
as for getting lies out of the textbook, well, your bill that I
27:45
showed had false information in it so I would like you to
27:50
explain how that bill is trying to get Liza the textbook when it
27:56
basically had a lie in it. I mean I don't know if it was
27:59
intentional but the information about the mammoth Said that it
28:04
was, it had radiocarbon dates, where they gave two different
28:08
dates for the same animal, but it wasn't the same animal.
28:11
It was a different Mammoth. Yeah.
28:14
And I guess I'll touch on the gill slits but I hope that it
28:17
doesn't take up all of the time in our open discussion.
28:22
The when they say gill slits they're not talking about actual
28:28
physical gills there for NGO pouches or friends you larches.
28:32
The Anything that fish embryo have human embryos have the same
28:37
thing. They're not actual gills, they
28:39
just become bones and glands in humans, but they become gills in
28:48
the fish when the embryo grows to its adult form.
28:52
So, It's not actual gills and the ones that schools don't
29:00
teach the the heckles theory. And also I would like some
29:05
evidence that he was ever tried for fraud because I've never
29:08
seen any actual evidence that that happened and I'll just can
29:12
see the rest of my time. Okay, that's 50 seconds.
29:16
We can throw into either the open discussion or question and
29:22
answer period. So that being said, we can hand
29:25
it over to Kent. Can't you now have five minutes
29:29
of uninterrupted rebuttal whenever you're ready to go?
29:33
I appreciate that. He called it the Gish Gallop
29:35
Duane Gish used to do a lot of debates against atheists.
29:37
They got so frustrated because he beat them so badly that they
29:40
developed a term to distract attention calling it the dish.
29:43
Gallop you go through so many points.
29:45
Well that's like if you if I point out 20 things, you're
29:47
teaching that are wrong then therefore for it's not true
29:50
because I gave 20 of them. What if I gave one I cannot
29:54
believe that you're still saying that the gill slits should still
29:57
be taught because they're not gills.
30:00
They're just arches, you're completely missing the point.
30:03
AJ deliberately I know they are not gill slits, they don't
30:08
function as gill slits, their folds of skin.
30:10
I've got folds of skin in my elbow and I can't breathe
30:13
through them. Okay, there are simply folds of
30:15
skin on the embryo growing. You need to learn some biology.
30:18
That is not evidence for evolution.
30:22
They never sent the folds of skin develop into totally
30:25
different functions glands in the throat.
30:27
Bone in the ear. You don't breathe through your
30:30
ears. Oh shame on you for not being
30:32
honest and saying, look, we ought to get this out of the
30:34
book Skies. It's not true.
30:36
And as far as the whale pelvis now serving a different
30:39
function. How did they make babies before?
30:44
The fact that those bones are in the same region as where their
30:47
legs are another animals. Well, duh, that's where the
30:50
reproductive organs are on most animals that do have legs.
30:54
Of course, it's in the same region, where do you want them
30:56
on top of their head? No, this is this is just a lie
31:00
to teach the kids that the whale has a vestigial pelvis.
31:04
It's not true. The textbooks, do teach charts.
31:08
Like I have up here showing humans and pine trees and Wales.
31:14
And fish having a common ancestor, from an amoeba, your
31:18
example of an amoeba, becoming a multi our Colony, or
31:22
multicellular organism even if it did.
31:24
Okay. Can it survive, can it reproduce
31:28
can that cluster of amoebas that coalesced to over 50 weeks to
31:33
make this multicellular amoeba? Is there another one some place
31:37
it can meet with? And now can it produce a
31:39
multicellular Colony instantly? How do they make babies?
31:44
I'd like to hear more about this research because even if you get
31:47
this one example, where an amoeba can colonize and turn
31:50
into a the equivalent of a unit that works together a cohesive
31:54
unit, like the military does with their squads and and
31:58
armies. So what is that therefore
32:01
science that an amoeba turn to a human?
32:05
What you've observed is an amoeba May over 50 weeks.
32:08
I'll do more research on that has been able to colonize to
32:11
protect itself. From some, some threat out
32:14
there, who did it mate with and did it produce another colony.
32:19
Is this actually a new organism? No, it's not.
32:23
And you know, it's not and you're really desperate, you
32:25
know how many changes they would have to be to change enemy but
32:29
to a pine tree and a whale and a human trillions and trillions.
32:33
Which is why you guys rely on your favorite topic time Billy.
32:39
This is the pacifier. Ha, the keeps you guys believe
32:42
in this. This time boy, we've got time
32:46
for this to happen. It took 50 weeks for the amoebas
32:49
to get together. So over billions of years, the
32:52
amoeba could turn into a human, you really believe that, okay,
32:55
and you're welcome to believe it, but it's not science.
32:59
What should we teach in science class?
33:01
We should teach science things that.
33:03
We know the kids can learn all about the anatomy.
33:06
They can learn all about the muscles of the body, the bones
33:09
of the body, the radius, the ulna, carpals, and metacarpals.
33:12
Apple's the humerus and scapula burn all the muscles that attach
33:15
to them to biceps triceps. Quadriceps and never discuss
33:18
Evolution. It's not part of science.
33:21
If a kid says teacher, we've got two bones in our wrists, and my
33:24
cat has two Bonds in his leg. Yep.
33:27
Interesting Anatomy. You know you don't have to say
33:30
that proves a common ancestor, the teacher could say, well,
33:33
there's options here. It could mean they're related to
33:35
a common ancestor or it could mean they had a common designer,
33:39
the lug nuts, on my GMC will fit on a Chevy.
33:42
That's proof that came from a Toyota or skateboard.
33:46
I mean your mind. All you can see with your tunnel
33:49
vision is the similarities prove common ancestor when it's just
33:53
as logical to say. There's a common designer behind
33:56
these things. As far as a parent in parents,
34:00
indoctrinating their children? Shame on you.
34:02
Are you a communist? You think the government should
34:04
decide what kids are taught know, the parents should decide
34:09
what they want their kids to be taught?
34:10
Not you? AJ not me.
34:13
If they want them to learn their grandpa was a rock.
34:15
Okay, teach him that. But I don't want to pay for that
34:18
if they want to teach the kids that amoebas turned into whales
34:22
like this chart shows, okay? You can teach him that but I
34:24
don't want to pay for that because that's not part of
34:26
science. Science is what we can observe
34:29
study test and demonstrate experimentation.
34:32
We don't observe any animal producing anything other than
34:35
its kind. So I want to, I want you to send
34:37
me the research. Did your amoeba Colony, or
34:40
whatever you want to call it 10 seconds?
34:41
Develop to the point. Can reproduce as a colony.
34:45
This is not Evolution that and you're really desperate.
34:47
If that's the only example you've got, you would need
34:50
trillions of examples like that to make your rock or your, I
34:54
mean dr. Into a human.
34:56
So we'll go over all of them, gets you Gallop parents,
34:59
indoctrination, amoeba dog. You said you need return to a
35:01
dog over millions of years. Ah, there we go time.
35:06
That'll do it one. It that was coming back door
35:08
open. Okay, well, thank you gentlemen,
35:11
that concludes Ludes the opening statements and rebuttals.
35:15
So thanks to the both of you. We are now moving into a cordial
35:19
discussion portion, where as always, we'll do our best to
35:23
keep it equally time focusing on one Topic at a time since can't
35:28
just ended his rebuttal. Why don't we hand it over to AJ
35:31
AJ? Why don't you start us off with
35:34
the discussion portion? You are muted.
35:36
Make sure you unmute yourself and gentlemen.
35:38
The floor is yours. Okay.
35:42
Yeah, with the example of clammy to Mones the multicellular
35:47
algae, it gained new cells that have reproductive function.
35:51
But in most multicellular species of algae individual
35:55
cells produce, special sex cells called gametes that contain only
35:58
one set of chromosomes and the game mates from two individuals
36:02
fuse sexually and can put can develop directly into Offspring
36:06
or they can form cells, that produce spores, the create more
36:10
algae. um, and I also you said that you don't want to pay for
36:18
Kids to learn Evolution but isn't dinosaur Adventure Land
36:21
registered as a 501, c 3 tax exempt organization.
36:25
Since it's a Ministry which means that it doesn't pay
36:28
property taxes. Or if it's an open discussion,
36:35
now let's open discussion. Well yeah, I got it.
36:39
Prevents your land is property tax exempt.
36:42
We don't pay for the public schools.
36:43
That's correct. We pay gas tax and all kinds of
36:45
other taxes on our stuff here. Are you off topic though?
36:48
The fact is public schools, should not teach lies.
36:52
Don't teach lies. Teach truth.
36:56
Get the lies out of the book and you're left with nothing to
36:58
support your theory. It's a lie to teach the kids.
37:01
The Earth is billions of years old.
37:03
There's over 100 ways to prove. It cannot be billions of years
37:06
old, but you guys keep teaching it because that is what you have
37:09
to have it right side up time. I know full, well, your amoeba
37:14
is our algae State and algae. Did it right?
37:18
Yeah. Okay.
37:19
Things don't transform into different monsters.
37:22
Like this isn't Pokemon. I have no idea what Pokémon is,
37:27
nor do I care. But well, okay, wait.
37:29
When you say one amoeba turns into a dog, a one animal doesn't
37:33
turn into another animal. It's popular.
37:36
Evolution is about population genetics.
37:39
So you have a population of one type of organism and overtime.
37:44
It develops into different populations because of natural
37:49
selection that's macro-evolution.
37:52
So it's not one animal just changing into a different animal
37:55
but Think you're framing it like that because you want to make
37:58
Evolution sound stupid and then say You Can Make It in America.
38:02
Yeah, but AJ, AJ, you said the population populations develop
38:09
over time. This is your belief.
38:12
This never been observed. You certainly can't use any
38:15
fossils as evidence in any court of law.
38:17
They would honest, court of law. They would laugh at you by
38:20
saying look, you found bones in the dirt.
38:21
You found fossils. You don't know.
38:22
They had any children. You should have contributed no
38:26
animal today produces other than its kind Every Creature observe
38:30
plant or animal or insect produces, the same kind as
38:34
itself. Mosquitoes may be mosquitoes
38:36
without exception. Now, you can believe that over
38:39
time, it could do it, but that's where that's your.
38:43
That's your Sky daddy time billions of years will solve the
38:47
problem. So is this program is a
38:50
single-celled organism. The same kind is a multi-celled
38:53
organism, I don't know. Is it actually a colony?
38:56
Is it a cluster of cells working together?
38:58
And it's not ending because, because in the colony, each cell
39:02
can break off and live on its own.
39:04
But in the example, I gave eat the cells, can't live on their
39:08
own and it got new traits like the extracellular Matrix that
39:13
binds the new cells together and it was also a beneficial
39:18
mutation or it was beneficial a benefit answer.
39:21
My question AJ, can this new You don't want to call it a colony.
39:26
Can this new multicellular organism?
39:28
Yeah. Can this new multicellular
39:30
organism produce with another multicellular organism?
39:33
Just like it and make multicellular organisms or do
39:37
they have to start with individual cells every time?
39:41
Well, that sounds like sexual reproduction which is not
39:44
something that algae does. But the example in that I gave
39:49
in the lab it was a single celled going to a multicellular
39:53
one. So yeah.
39:54
Started with a single cell just like you did in your mother's
39:57
womb. You start off as a single celled
39:59
and you added new you divided and added new cells until you
40:03
became you know all cells you have today and it's the same
40:07
thing with Evolution that's like evo-devo, always knows got
40:11
Evolution. Come on going from a single
40:13
sperm and egg to a human being is following an incredibly
40:16
complex code. Go to the soda General Motors,
40:19
they take a bunch of parts coming into one end, and out
40:21
comes a car, on the other end because a lot of intelligent
40:23
people are poor GM's a bad example.
40:25
Uh-huh. Okay, you're going to call your
40:29
example earlier. I forget what brands of car.
40:31
You said, like, GMC and Honda, you said light heavy, right?
40:36
Look how so Leonard. Okay, they both share the same
40:38
lug nuts, but those didn't have a common designer, they had
40:42
different designers. So the lug nuts on a Chevy and
40:46
the lug nuts on a GMC. Where had different designers?
40:49
Yeah, they didn't have a common designer like you said, so it's
40:52
a bad example. And also when you talk about you
40:56
know this is an evolution, this isn't evidence for common
41:00
ancestry, it's evidence for a common ancestor, I would like to
41:04
know what, where you get that conclusion from it.
41:07
It sounds to me like, it's just something you say because they
41:10
both have the word common in the phrase, so it sounds kind of,
41:13
you know, like Hit the in smart, but you're just making an
41:16
assumption. The reason that scientists have
41:19
proof of common ancestry is the genetics.
41:21
You don't have anything like that to back up common designer.
41:24
The proof that we have is billions of farmers for hundreds
41:29
of years. Observing you plant, corn corn,
41:32
grows you cross your cows and you get a baby cow.
41:35
I mean every Farmer on the planet will tell you that
41:37
happens with all the plants with all the animals there we have
41:41
lots of observation of the very A shins being limited and being
41:47
the same. Obviously, kind, I think there
41:50
are 60 varieties of oak trees. Now they might have had a common
41:53
ancestor, called an oak tree, but you want me to have to pay
41:57
to teach the kids at the Oaks. We're not from here.
42:00
What about bears? There are eight varieties of
42:02
bears. I don't know if they all had a
42:04
common ancestor or not, God might have made four or five or
42:06
six different kinds of beers my grizzly bears.
42:10
Grizzly bears, polar bears, panda bears.
42:12
What about koala bear out there are Koala Bears.
42:14
The same kind as a grizzly bear. I don't know if somebody,
42:18
somebody gave it the name, koala bear, I doubt it.
42:20
I don't think koalas in the same in the bear category of it safe
42:23
but this is training at a net. Go back to my question.
42:26
Your algae that developed the ability to live and work
42:28
together in what you called a multicellular organism.
42:33
How do you get? Another one of those.
42:34
You have to start from scratch every time with individual algae
42:38
or can they somehow make a Colony into a car not a colony
42:42
can. This can this new organism
42:43
produce another organism? Or does it have to start over
42:46
with algae every time AJ? Well, I don't know off the top
42:51
of my head, I would assume that it can start with either a
42:58
single cell or a another like small multicellular one that
43:05
adds cells do it, but I would assume that it it divides and
43:09
that At new single cell. One can produce a multicellular
43:13
organism but this hasn't been observed in the wild.
43:17
This example of claiming to bonus algae, this was only done
43:20
in the lab and so I can't really speculate about that.
43:26
Well, if it's only done in the lab, don't you see a problem
43:29
here? Because this is not natural
43:32
selection, this is artificial selection.
43:35
This is not nothing natural about it and that you rely on
43:38
that one example, to say we should all teach that the
43:42
amoebas turned to humans and Wales over billions of years of
43:45
Carl. Give you quadrillions of years.
43:47
If you want, we don't observe it.
43:49
It's a religious belief, it's something you believe in, which
43:52
is fine. Keep your religion at home.
43:54
I don't want to pay for it to be taught.
43:56
That's all well, you don't. Yeah, there's all kinds of
44:01
things and it goes into the public schools besides property
44:04
tax and I've played plenty of paid plenty of property tax over
44:08
the year. So if you're missing the point
44:10
completely, all the parents are required to pay to teach that
44:14
the amoeba turn to a whale, that's what the chart show.
44:18
I've got all the pictures right from the textbook.
44:20
I show it in my seminar, you've seen it and you're dancing
44:23
around the obvious. God said, they'll bring forth
44:26
after their kind. Do these multicellular algae
44:30
things, do they bring forth or is it a dead end?
44:33
You got to start over with single cells every time and I
44:35
already know the answer. You got to start over with
44:37
single cells every time. So you haven't done a thing, you
44:41
created a colony, I'll call it a colony that built a wall around
44:43
themselves to protect themselves.
44:45
Okay. Interesting Mom.
44:46
It's not a colony and I'm not relying on simply one example.
44:50
There is a lot of these because you got to have billions of
44:54
examples to prove your religion, not one or two.
44:58
Well, the genetics, the genetic show that you can follow, you
45:02
can follow it back like a road map to see that animals that are
45:06
alive today, have common ancestry with each other.
45:09
The same as you would look at a DNA test to see that you are
45:14
related to your mom and dad. Like I did 23andMe and you know
45:20
they they got a saliva sample from me but they didn't ask me,
45:24
you know, what religion I was, it had nothing to do with
45:27
religion. So common ancestry can be proven
45:31
by genetics and that proves Evolution but there's also slow
45:36
down now. Common.
45:37
Aunt. Don't you don't guess Galaxy
45:39
this I'm calling hate. You asked me to give several
45:42
topics but yeah I know what the DNA that you had, this 23andMe
45:48
tests showed that you came from your parents.
45:51
I could have told you that without the test, okay?
45:54
So I think we're your parents who my parents were.
45:58
Well, are you did they conclude your parents were human, or were
46:01
they something other than human they're human?
46:05
They were human. How about the grandparents you
46:06
think they were human? Sure.
46:09
If you go back 10 billion Generations was that an amoeba I
46:18
don't know, but I would say no, it wasn't an amoeba.
46:22
But again, you're intentionally going over this long period of
46:27
time to compare things that are way different because you don't
46:31
have a strong enough argument to argue your side.
46:35
So you have to instead use these tactics of making Evolution seem
46:39
Silly by saying you know oh look an amoeba.
46:42
Okay, I'm a human. I'm a multicellular organism but
46:45
if If you go all the way back, I wasn't an amoeba but I just
46:49
showed you that a single celled organism can turn into a
46:51
multicellular one, which is exactly what you're describing.
46:55
An amoeba being the ancestor of a human or a eukaryotic cell
47:01
being single celled organism being the ancestor.
47:05
Okay, well, we'll take your algae instead of an amoeba.
47:07
Then why did the DNA and third 23andMe show that your
47:10
great-great-great great-great-great.
47:11
Grandpa was an algae. The algae that you example, you
47:16
gave turned into a new, we'll call it a new organism a bunch
47:19
of algae cells together. So don you kindly why it's a new
47:24
kind. Okay.
47:26
How do you get the next one? Do they start over every time
47:30
with single cell? I I described how multicellular
47:34
algae reproduce early. Yeah, they each one's got to
47:37
start over every time. The DNA code.
47:41
You want to? I can't believe you.
47:42
Evolution is want to use DNA. You should be embarrassed.
47:45
DNA is the most complex molecule in the universe.
47:48
There's no molecule more complex than a single DNA, strand.
47:52
And they are incredibly tiny. It's a gross oversimplification
47:56
to say it's only got four parts ATC atg.
48:00
Each of those parts is incredibly complicated.
48:03
You have probably 37. Trillion cells in your body.
48:07
Each cell contains these DNA, the gametes only have 23 but the
48:12
rest have 46 chromosomes. One drop of blood would have 5
48:17
million red blood cells in one. Drop 5 million, each of those
48:23
cells contains this whole unbelievable code.
48:27
You know, how much how many people has taken over the years
48:30
to reduce the size of a computer from the size of this room down
48:33
to a chip? You can hold Your finger Around
48:36
Your Finger, they've taken a whole lot of smart people to do
48:39
that. And the DNA code is a trillion
48:42
times more complicated than the biggest computer we've got.
48:45
Average human has 50 trillion cells in their body but it would
48:49
only fill two tablespoons. That's the incredible code
48:53
stretched out. Each DNA molecules about six
48:56
feet, long tie them all together, the DNA code from your
48:59
body. Each one about 2 meters long,
49:01
little over six feet. We go.
49:03
Thirteen trillion miles. All that's in you AJ.
49:07
Why can't you say? Wow, God, you are smart.
49:10
You want to give credit to an algae for making this incredible
49:14
code. I'm baffled and you guys not
49:18
what I said and I'm not sure where you get to God or Jesus
49:22
from the information that you just presented.
49:24
But DNA is not like a computer code.
49:27
I can tell you that because DNA can be redundant where you can
49:32
change the one of the letters or multiple letters of the sea.
49:35
Atg code and nothing happens to the organism but with writing
49:39
computer code like C++ or Java script.
49:42
A lot of times if you have one bracket or period out of place,
49:45
it can completely screw up the program that you're trying to
49:47
write. So, So, they're not the same
49:53
stop and think about what you just said.
49:55
One little mistake your mutations that you guys rely on,
49:58
no, in the computer transfer that the code, it quits working.
50:01
Yeah, in computer code but not in DNA.
50:03
Oh, okay. Bill Gates, Bill, Gates said,
50:09
DNA of like software program, but it's much more complex than
50:12
anything. We've been able to design IBM
50:16
models. Its newest computers after, you
50:18
know, Bill Gates, the known atheist.
50:21
Yeah, he won't be when he dies. Okay, so there's a cool million,
50:27
a code contains half of the contents of all the academic
50:31
libraries in, America goes Way, Beyond terabytes and petabytes
50:37
to exabytes Yoda B and Zeta bikes.
50:39
All the words, ever? Uttered by anyone who ever lived
50:43
would amount to five exabytes. Your DNA code has more than
50:46
that. If you typed out, the DNA code
50:49
in your body, AJ you'd have enough books to fill Grand
50:52
Canyon 78 times. And you really think it happened
50:57
by chance? I'm baffled.
50:59
See, I don't have a problem. Saying, God, I want to praise
51:02
you. Your fear of I'm fearfully and
51:04
wonderfully made. I can look at a complex thing,
51:07
like a, my Swiss army knife and say, wow.
51:11
This is pretty cool, it's pretty interesting complicated.
51:14
Well made, I like this thing, I would never dream of saying,
51:17
wow, the Swiss are stupid, it happened by chance.
51:20
All the guys were pretty smart to put this thing together.
51:22
Like they did you talk about computers?
51:24
I chance you just I mean that it wasn't created by a deity, then
51:29
I guess so, but I wouldn't say that the life on Earth came by
51:34
chance. Evolution is a natural process.
51:38
It's not something that happens by random chance.
51:41
It's driven by the environment DNA is plastic to the
51:45
environment. So like you said, animals like
51:48
birds, that have a larger Mass are going to do better or
51:52
animals that have thicker fur going to do better in cold.
51:55
Climates because the environment changes.
51:57
What animal will do better there.
51:59
So that's not random chance. That's pretty logical.
52:02
No, no AJ. Natural selection, select once
52:06
Evolution create anything. It's selected.
52:10
It only selectively that it created.
52:12
Anything real Club manager for equal time.
52:20
Go ahead. Yes.
52:22
All natural selection did was select the bigger.
52:25
Each sparrows to survive in the north, it didn't create the
52:28
sparrow and didn't turn him into a whale.
52:31
He didn't turn him into a seagull.
52:33
They're still a sparrow, they're just now life slightly larger
52:37
because the bigger ones were able to survive and make the
52:39
next generation of babies, which are probably.
52:41
Some of the more of those would be bigger every Farmer in the
52:43
planet. Does this to get cows that give
52:45
more milk or cows. They give more beef cows that
52:48
can stand the heat cows that can stand the cold.
52:50
They've developed, who knows how many varieties are cows.
52:52
Now, probably a couple of hundred and they're always cow.
52:55
Ow, then it's so the sparrow natural selection works great.
52:58
But it only selects you guys want to turn it into a creative
53:02
process, it doesn't create a thing.
53:04
Sorry, strike three you're out. Go ahead.
53:07
Okay, that's fine. Well, hand it back to you AJ
53:12
equal time. Go ahead.
53:14
Yeah. I don't, I don't think anybody,
53:17
I certainly didn't claim that natural syrup, natural selection
53:20
creates things. It's simply a mechanism of
53:23
evolution. It's one part.
53:25
Like sexual selection, or genetic drift or anything like
53:29
that. So you can't just claim that
53:32
natural selection creates organisms.
53:36
It's just deciding or it just shows which animals do better in
53:41
which environments because they adapted to their environment.
53:44
Which also kind of shows that in my opinion, they weren't created
53:47
for their environment. Otherwise they wouldn't have to
53:49
adapt. You would just have animals put
53:52
directly in the environment they belonged in.
53:58
Are you going to Q&A now? Or should I respond more to
54:01
that? No.
54:02
Yeah, go ahead, dr. Holden, you can respond to that.
54:05
Well, yeah, he's welcome to believe this, but why weren't
54:08
they create? I think the fact that God gave
54:10
the original cow, the gene code, which is incredibly complex to
54:14
allow it to adapt to milk. Cows are dairy cows Milk, milk
54:19
cows or beef. Cows is pretty cool but it still
54:23
a cow there. That's all we've ever seen.
54:26
Is variations within the same kind.
54:29
They've been trying to work with dogs to produce smaller dogs or
54:33
bigger dogs. And they spent hundreds and
54:34
thousands of dollars to make a dog like a chihuahua that's
54:38
completely useless and wouldn't survive two minutes out in the
54:41
woods? They didn't create anything,
54:44
natural selection, turn all the dogs loose in the woods with in
54:48
One year, 95% of those that man has created would be dead.
54:54
The Hawks would have a Heyday with the Chihuahua.
54:59
The bigger ones because they can't run fast enough.
55:02
The ones with the wrinkled skin, although the can't even see
55:05
anything, that 95% of the dogs man has created with a lot of
55:10
work and time and energy, wouldn't survive, natural
55:13
selection would put them all back to a wolf, like animal been
55:16
a wolf, and a dog, probably have a common ancestor, but it does
55:19
mean it's an amoeba or an algae. Okay.
55:23
Can I ask? Why is it that you would think
55:26
if you took all of the skulls of different dogs?
55:29
Like a doberman, a Rottweiler and a chihuahua and even a
55:34
teacup Chihuahua. All of those are the same kind,
55:36
but if you look at the skulls of like Australopithecus afarensis
55:41
and sediba and you lay those out all the way up to Homo Sapien,
55:46
you would say that one is ape kind and one is the mankind.
55:50
Those aren't the same kind even The dog skulls look, radically
55:53
different and the human to Australopithecus skulls look
55:58
very similar. Well, with dogs, we see not only
56:03
the skulls, we can see the animals, they can produce the
56:05
animals. A friend of mine said, we have
56:07
dog kennel. We've raised dogs 400 years, my
56:10
grandfather started the kennel. I'm third generation.
56:12
He said I can tell you right now.
56:14
We could tart. We give us 20.
56:15
Generic dogs. Pick any dog you want, you know
56:18
100 years with selective breeding.
56:19
We can make everything from a Chihuahua to a Great Dane all
56:22
over again. In 100 Years of selective,
56:24
breeding you get a creature like an amoeba with a much shorter.
56:26
Generation span of 20 minutes. They you know, get born grow up,
56:30
get married in. Two minutes and have their own
56:32
babies that you still only see them produce amoeba.
56:37
That's it. There's no, it doesn't happen.
56:40
Now, I love the the great faith. You guys have, you have
56:44
incredible faith in this natural selection process, you probably
56:47
more faith and most Christians I know of but it's not science.
56:52
And the public the purpose of this debate was should Evolution
56:55
be taught in public schools. Depends, what you mean by that
56:58
word but we shouldn't teach lies to promote the theory.
57:01
We sort of get back on topic to say that these algae for slowly
57:05
develop a group ability to work together, but you got to start
57:08
over every time to get a new whatever you call the colada,
57:10
but thing up class time indominus, okay?
57:16
It's still algae is still this. It didn't, that's not evidence
57:21
that that's going to ever eventually turn into a whale or
57:23
a mosquito or a pine tree but you guys want me to pay to have
57:27
that talk to the kids like it's part of science, I'm sorry, it's
57:30
not Go start a private school and teach that to anybody that
57:34
wants to pay income. Learn it.
57:36
But the public schools, if therefore the public should
57:39
teach science, ignore the origins, topic, altogether.
57:43
The teacher can say I'm sorry we can't talk about creation or
57:46
Evolution. Let's just talk about science,
57:48
this is the deltoid, this is the bicep, this is the triceps.
57:52
Memorize it for the test kit. You have it.
57:55
How did we get it? I don't know.
57:56
Don't know, don't care. It doesn't matter.
57:58
Memorize it. That's science.
58:01
What do we know? We know dogs produce dogs?
58:04
We do not know that the algae turned to a dog over over
58:07
billions of years. Like you said you believe that
58:10
but you don't admit that it's a religious belief.
58:12
I'm I can't understand why you guys can't just admit man.
58:15
I do have a religion. Don't I?
58:17
Yeah, you do. If if you want to teach science
58:22
in the science classes, then shouldn't we teach what a
58:26
majority of scientists agree on which is that evolution is a
58:29
fact and a scientific theory that should be taught in
58:33
schools. That's what the scientists think
58:35
you should look at the history of science, they've taught all
58:37
kinds of crazy things, over the generations that later proved to
58:40
be not true show. No science means knowledge.
58:44
Now in a religion class if you want to teach all the different
58:46
religions of the world and what they believe like the induced.
58:49
If you drink, the pee straight coming straight out of the cow,
58:51
you get special, holy power. So we should teach science in
58:56
science class but science has been wrong a bunch of times and
58:59
we shouldn't trust scientists about.
59:00
Is that what you're saying? No, I love science.
59:03
I like sandwiches. We can trust real science but
59:05
all you guys have to promote your religion of evolution is
59:08
lies. The embryo does not have gill
59:11
slits. The whale does not have a
59:13
vestigial Provost nobody's ever seen mutations, which are
59:17
mistakes in the gene code, which like you said, where the
59:19
computer code will often times. Stop it.
59:21
One bracket 1. Wrong spot.
59:23
Bingo stop Program. I agree.
59:25
The DNA code is able to work around.
59:27
That is so complex. It can tolerate some mistakes
59:30
and usually correct some over a generation or two and they might
59:33
come right back the Cave Fish. The fish that have lived in
59:37
caves where there's no light have slowly lost their eyes.
59:40
That's a loss. You don't have any examples of
59:43
anything, gaining new information.
59:46
None why hasn't anybody ever evolved eyes on the back of
59:49
their head? That would be really handy.
59:52
How many of ever wished you had eyes on the back of your head.
59:55
Come on now. A mother ever evolve three arms
1:00:00
so they can hold the baby and cook the food and close the
1:00:02
fridge door. At the same time, it doesn't
1:00:04
happen. AJ.
1:00:06
It just doesn't happen. You can believe it all you want,
1:00:09
and you have great faith, but I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
1:00:11
That's all you have is a faith that your algae is going to
1:00:15
evidence that that everything came from a common ancestor.
1:00:18
You really, really need to stop and think about that.
1:00:21
I'm going to jump in real quick AJ.
1:00:22
We've got just 40 seconds left on the the discussion portion
1:00:26
age. Why don't you respond to
1:00:28
whatever you'd like to from Kent?
1:00:31
And then we're going to jump into three-minute closing
1:00:34
statements, and then an audience Q&A for as long as we can, so,
1:00:38
AJ go ahead, okay? I would say, the reason that
1:00:43
those silly things didn't happen is because evolution is about
1:00:48
what an organism or population of organisms needs to survive.
1:00:51
Not just, what might come in handy.
1:00:54
And as for a beneficial mutation, I can give View.
1:00:56
An example of a resistance to malaria evolving.
1:01:02
Not a resistance to our, I'm sorry, sickle cell, anemia.
1:01:06
And this isn't a trait where you have, you know, the the the
1:01:13
weakness of malaria. This is you're born with a
1:01:16
resistance to it, so I'll just sacrifice the rest of my time.
1:01:22
We can go to Q&A well. So, that looks like it concludes
1:01:28
the discussion portion, but I want you guys to kind of wrap
1:01:31
things up in terms of a three-minute statement, and then
1:01:35
we'll go into a Q&A so AJ. You did start.
1:01:38
So technically, you have up to three minutes right now, if
1:01:41
you'd like to to wrap up your points and in the form of a
1:01:44
concluding statement, then dr. Holden gets 3 minutes.
1:01:47
Then we'll get to a few questions from the audience.
1:01:49
So AJ, go ahead. Okay, well, this is my my first
1:01:54
debate. So I'd like to thank Kent for,
1:01:57
you know, accepting this and I know he's a lot more experience
1:02:00
than I am but I think we might have gotten a bit off topic but
1:02:05
that's kind of happens in these debates were you know, a lot of
1:02:08
topics are flying back and forth but in my opinion if you want to
1:02:12
teach science in science classes then you should look to what the
1:02:17
scientific consensus is. You should look to what the
1:02:20
scientists agree on. And what their opinion is on the
1:02:24
topic, which is should Evolution be taught in public schools and
1:02:28
they would say yes. Now, I'm not as qualified as, as
1:02:34
those biological and life scientists would be.
1:02:37
So, I defer to their opinion, whereas Kent is challenging, the
1:02:41
scientific consensus. So he has a huge burden of proof
1:02:45
if he wants to knock down the scientific consensus.
1:02:49
And like I said earlier, He can't really complain about
1:02:53
having pay for the public schools teaching this because
1:02:58
he, you know, friends of ministry which is tax-exempt, he
1:03:02
can have his disagreements but like I said he's disagreeing
1:03:05
with 100 Years of scientific evidence consensus and
1:03:14
scientific knowledge. So I don't think arguing that
1:03:19
humans came from a rock. Or talking about whales having
1:03:24
babies is going to refute that. I think you'll have to do a
1:03:27
little bit better than that. How much time do I have left?
1:03:31
As if di you got a minute and 20 seconds, okay.
1:03:37
And the scientific consensus about evolution is that if you
1:03:43
look at the genetic data, we can tell that organisms are related.
1:03:49
Just like A family tree just like the genetic data that would
1:03:56
tell you that who your cousins and your parents and your
1:03:59
grandparents are or what. Ethnicity.
1:04:01
Your from like I did 23andMe and it tells you what country you
1:04:05
have the most genetic data from. And we can follow this back back
1:04:10
in time to tell that all life on Earth has common ancestry.
1:04:16
And yeah, I'm just gonna, I'm going to end it there.
1:04:21
No problem. No problem.
1:04:23
So that was your three-minute concluding statement.
1:04:25
Thank you so much, atheist Junior.
1:04:27
We're going to hand it over to Kent.
1:04:30
You have three minutes for a concluding statement.
1:04:33
Well, obviously the argument he gave his closing here.
1:04:36
The argument from majority opinion would fall apart in any
1:04:40
person with any brain under Muslim countries.
1:04:44
The majority of believe if you kill a Christian, that's a
1:04:47
wonderful thing. That's how you get to heaven.
1:04:49
Of course, you can get that, you know, you have to kill the
1:04:50
infidel. Else, the majority opinion in
1:04:53
those countries and there's a whole lot of Muslims on.
1:04:54
They're making more is majority opinion.
1:04:58
Wow. Then there must be right in
1:05:00
communist countries. Look I mean look how they
1:05:02
enforce communism with the point of a gun.
1:05:04
Look, what's happening in China or Russia or other communist
1:05:07
countries. You want to go by majority
1:05:09
Hitler. 55 million people, followed Adolf Hitler.
1:05:13
Wow, it was a great guy. He, we know he was wrong but the
1:05:16
majority of people in Germany, thought he was a great guy.
1:05:19
So the argument from majority opinion, Flat on its face.
1:05:23
What is truth? The truth is algae, produce
1:05:27
algae. And if you can get some to work
1:05:29
together in a laboratory, So what it doesn't prove anything
1:05:36
that's your point, though. The DNA is you rely on DNA?
1:05:40
The DNA code is I pointed out is unbelievably complex.
1:05:44
The DNA code is mind-boggling, it has to unzip, make a copy of
1:05:49
itself and then zip back together.
1:05:53
Study DNA for heaven. Say it's unreal.
1:05:57
And you yet you want to believe it happened by chance.
1:06:00
Okay. I just don't have enough Faith
1:06:03
to believe that and obviously AJ, we need to go along with
1:06:07
Pascal's wager here. It still holds true if you are
1:06:10
right and I am wrong, I haven't lost a thing.
1:06:12
I've lived a wonderful life. I enjoy life.
1:06:15
And I could die. Now go back to dust.
1:06:18
Okay, that's fine. But if I'm right and you're
1:06:21
wrong, when you die your face God and go to hell, I don't want
1:06:24
that. You want to risk at risk that
1:06:26
gamble or because of your algae. Okay, I don't think that's very
1:06:30
wise though. You can have my time.
1:06:32
Let's get back to Q&A time brother.
1:06:34
Okay? Okay, I appreciate that
1:06:36
concluding statement, dr. Hoeven and great debate.
1:06:39
Gentlemen, we've got I've got way too many questions here.
1:06:42
So what I'm going to do is I'm going to put a timer on the Q&A
1:06:45
will do Teen minutes, and we'll get through as many questions as
1:06:48
we can. Once we hit that 15-minute Mark,
1:06:51
we will call it a night. So great job to the both of you.
1:06:55
And let's go with, I'm going to pick out the most relevant
1:06:59
questions to the debate. Topic looks like there's an
1:07:03
after show on logical plausible probables Channel immediately
1:07:09
following this debate. So thanks so much from steadfast
1:07:14
and easy. He says Thank you for a great
1:07:16
debate, ten-dollar super Chad. I appreciate that as well as one
1:07:22
God is nowhere. $25 Super Chat. I appreciate the support.
1:07:28
He says it's more of a comment. He says DNA equals medium Gene
1:07:33
equals code Source equals God. If you guys want to respond to
1:07:38
that, it's not really a question.
1:07:40
Just super chat that came in. How many?
1:07:45
I don't see how that adds up? It seems like you're just making
1:07:48
an assertion. Okay.
1:07:53
Well I'd say how it adds up if I'm walking along the beach and
1:07:55
I find a calculator watch on the beach, I think it would be very
1:07:59
logical to assume somebody designed it rather than to
1:08:03
assume it washed up on the beach or the sand waves, created it
1:08:07
out of the sand grains. I just don't think that's
1:08:09
logical. So I think it's logical to look
1:08:11
at the DNA and say, wow, this must have had a really smart
1:08:14
Shiner. I wonder who it was.
1:08:16
Was it Allah or Buddha or Jehovah?
1:08:18
That's a different argument. It was all about a designer,
1:08:21
it's way more complicated to any code with man has ever written.
1:08:26
Had to have a designer. I don't have a problem believing
1:08:29
that praise Allah. I'm gonna go ahead.
1:08:33
I'm gonna jump to this super chat here, which is actually a
1:08:36
question for AJ. So this question comes from Alec
1:08:40
cocks. Thank you so much for the Super
1:08:42
Chat. He says, question for a Jay, can
1:08:44
I sell survive without glucose? Where did the glucose come from
1:08:48
to help? Make the first cell?
1:08:52
Can a cell survive without glucose?
1:08:55
That seems like two questions. I would, I would say no, because
1:08:59
that's how it gets energy. What was the second part of it?
1:09:03
He says, where did the glucose come from to make the first
1:09:07
cell? To make the first cell ever.
1:09:14
I'm not sure if the very first living cell use glucose.
1:09:18
So I'm just going to say that, I don't know.
1:09:21
Okay, I appreciate that answer and question dr.
1:09:24
Hovind, if you wanted a response as well, go ahead.
1:09:27
Well obviously I would say that the Creator designed it, where
1:09:29
you've got everything with everything.
1:09:31
It needs you know, the first living cell would have to have a
1:09:33
lot more than glucose. It would have to have space to
1:09:36
live in. It would have to have energy to
1:09:37
have to have a proper temperature.
1:09:39
After surviving sure every cell would die at some extreme
1:09:42
temperature up or down. So there's and then it's got to
1:09:45
have a food source and a method of respiration.
1:09:49
A method of digestion, a method of excretion, there's a lot
1:09:54
once, L was hell, is more complex than the space shuttle.
1:10:00
I just can't believe that you can't see it.
1:10:03
Had to have a designer. Okay.
1:10:06
Okay. Thanks for that response can and
1:10:08
since it was your question, AJ to be fair will give you the
1:10:11
last word on that one. Go ahead.
1:10:12
Yeah, I don't know if Kent has ever seen a diagram of a space
1:10:17
shuttle but if if I compare to sell to that, I would say the
1:10:20
space shuttle is far more complicated.
1:10:22
But yeah, I I'm not sure if they the question was talking about
1:10:29
if the very first cell that ever existed or I do are the one of
1:10:35
one of the very first cells that ever existed use glucose, or if
1:10:39
they talking about Out modern single-cell organisms so I'm not
1:10:44
sure about that one. Okay well I appreciate it.
1:10:48
We got a Super Chat that came in Martin Luther.
1:10:50
Thank you so much. He just says talc at Jeremy
1:10:52
says, hi brother and thank you for your ministry so I
1:10:56
appreciate dietary Jeremy. Let's see here.
1:11:00
Okay, so next question is for both so whoever wants to start
1:11:03
on this one. This question comes in from Art
1:11:05
Van van delay. He says, question for both.
1:11:09
With does the fossil record show?
1:11:11
Microevolution Go ahead AJ. Yes I would say I would say that
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it does because you can see going up from the bottom layers
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to higher layers. You can see small incremental
1:11:29
changes from one from one organism or one index fossil to
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a different one. So if you're looking at a like a
1:11:40
crab that's in one layer I'm just using that.
1:11:44
Random example you can see changes from the lower layer and
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this is consistent all the way up the organisms become more
1:11:53
complex. They're the most simple at the
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bottom and they become more complex as you go up in the
1:11:58
geologic column, go ahead account.
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Well, therefore there's no such thing as a fossil record, there
1:12:09
are fossils. I've got thousands of in our
1:12:11
Museum here. There's no question.
1:12:13
There are fossils. They're not a record, they don't
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have a date on them, they don't you don't, don't don't talk and
1:12:18
that. He he mentioned something that's
1:12:19
a key thing. The bottom layer up to the top
1:12:22
layer AJ, all of the layers on the Earth.
1:12:24
All of them are the same age, all of them.
1:12:28
If the top layers younger, where's this coming from outer
1:12:30
space is maneuverable. I'm headed to the Earth to
1:12:34
create these newly. All of the layers, were a shake
1:12:36
and shuffling of existing material.
1:12:39
Of course, different animal settle into different layers
1:12:41
because of body density, because of habitat.
1:12:43
I bet most of the Sure found together because clams hang out
1:12:46
together. They don't hang out with
1:12:47
mosquitoes. So of course the fast line found
1:12:50
in similar layer but with you. Okay, let's do.
1:12:54
That's okay, let's jump to the next question.
1:12:56
We got so many questions coming in.
1:12:58
It's hard to keep up to choose super Chad's here.
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George Bond. Thank you so much.
1:13:02
Brother says sfts. Kids need a ya Keepin, my put my
1:13:05
kids through college. I appreciate it.
1:13:08
We got another Super Chat for atheist jr.
1:13:12
I guess you're going to have an after So, we've got four after
1:13:15
shows. Apparently, so chats came in one
1:13:19
for AJ, logical, plausible, probable, oh, tangelo and Amy.
1:13:25
So here's a question for dr. Joven call me.
1:13:30
Emo asks, what's allowing organisms within the same?
1:13:35
Kind to share, common ancestry, and what's preventing them from
1:13:40
sharing common ancestry with the kinds closest to them.
1:13:45
Well, there's seem to be genetic barriers.
1:13:48
Any farmer will tell you, you can cross a jackass and a horse
1:13:52
and get a mule, but then it's sterile you run into a dead end
1:13:56
almost. You can cross a sheep and a goat
1:13:58
and get a geep. But again, it's sterile, you get
1:14:01
a dead end so I think a sheep and a goat.
1:14:03
Are they look similar in hundreds of ways?
1:14:05
And they act similar in hundreds of ways?
1:14:07
And it might even taste similar. I don't know.
1:14:09
But that doesn't prove a mosquito and sheep are related.
1:14:15
What we've observed is, most of the variations that happen, if
1:14:18
you get too far to the extreme, they go extinct, you might get a
1:14:23
bigger and bigger dog, but at some point, it becomes clumsy
1:14:26
and can't can't take care of itself.
1:14:28
They've been trying to get bigger dogs for a long time.
1:14:30
Why don't you get a bigger? Dog, is Dog, as big as an
1:14:32
elephant. There are mammals as big as an
1:14:35
elephant, you know, like an elephant.
1:14:37
So there seems to be a limit to the genetic variation.
1:14:40
Seems to be limited. They've been trying to get
1:14:42
smaller mammals dog down to the size of a Chihuahua.
1:14:46
Okay. Why don't they get one?
1:14:47
The size of a hamster. There's a limit somewhere in
1:14:52
there. It seems to be a genetic barrier
1:14:54
and I think every farmer will tell you.
1:14:56
If you get too far away from the original ordinary dog or cow, or
1:15:00
whatever you're dealing with is probably going to be not going
1:15:03
to survive. Well, in the environment, you
1:15:05
got to babysit it and you farmers.
1:15:07
Ray's specialized grapes for instance.
1:15:09
He got to put them in a greenhouse and babysit him and
1:15:11
make sure they don't get it. Got to get the right temperature
1:15:13
of the right food, they die easy.
1:15:15
All we've observed every Farmer in the history of humanity.
1:15:18
Will tell you variations happen but they're limited.
1:15:22
And the further you get away from the norm, the more problems
1:15:25
you're going to have you don't babysit that you wha wha he
1:15:28
gone. Thank you for that answer.
1:15:32
Kent AJ, if you had a quick response, go ahead.
1:15:36
Yeah, you said that the you you bring forth the donkey from the
1:15:42
horse, but I thought animals brought forth after their kind,
1:15:45
but the mule, the mule can't bring forth anymore because it's
1:15:48
sterile. So I'm a bit confused on that
1:15:51
and obviously. Well, I would say anybody a
1:15:53
four-year-old looking at a donkey, and a horse would
1:15:56
probably say, you know, that's a similar kind of animal.
1:15:58
They could both have hooves. It's not split hose, they both
1:16:02
have hair on the outside of their body, they got a tail on
1:16:04
the southbound in. So the I think there's lots of
1:16:08
similarities between a donkey and horse more similarities than
1:16:12
there are between a donkey and a bird.
1:16:17
So the fact that they're able to breed at all is interesting.
1:16:21
They got a different number of chromosomes 162 and 1664 if I
1:16:25
recall, and but the I don't think there's ever been a case.
1:16:28
Where they've been fertile. Ever, been a fertile donkey,
1:16:32
pretty sure. Humans and chimpanzees also have
1:16:35
a difference of only two chromosomes, but you think there
1:16:37
are different kinds. So, Oh yeah, humans and
1:16:40
chimpanzees and no connection whatsoever.
1:16:42
Same designer designed him, that's a double standard.
1:16:46
Okay. All right gentlemen.
1:16:49
Thanks for keeping it Lively here.
1:16:50
We got just enough time for two more questions.
1:16:53
This one comes in from the film. Free gives a supercharged.
1:16:57
Thanks so much for the support. Well actually, this one's more
1:17:00
of a comment kind of directed at you atheist, Junior.
1:17:04
So will allow you to respond. He says the very existence of
1:17:08
DNA proves creation nature, cannot create information
1:17:12
semiotic, sand, algorithms. They can only be created by a
1:17:16
mind. So, AJ some thoughts on that?
1:17:21
Well, that's an assertion nature.
1:17:25
Does create living organisms that have DNA in it.
1:17:30
So unless you're saying that Nature's a mind, I'm a bit
1:17:34
confused on that. And again, it seems like you're
1:17:37
kind of just making an assertion.
1:17:38
So I'm going to say what's asserted without evidence can be
1:17:42
dismissed without evidence. So I'm going to dismiss your
1:17:44
question now. Sorry, and dr.
1:17:47
Holden If you'd like a response, go ahead.
1:17:49
Well, I would disagree nature, doesn't create anything.
1:17:53
No, the animals, create babies. And then the net nature, May
1:17:57
select certain ones to survive. If you get a really, really cold
1:18:01
winter, you're probably going to kill off all the smaller ones
1:18:03
that don't have enough Mass to hold their body temperature, but
1:18:07
you're still is not going to change it to something else,
1:18:09
natural selection, only selects it doesn't create anything.
1:18:13
Nature is not a creative Force. All right I appreciate that
1:18:17
response from the both you let's go right to Andrew Cummings
1:18:21
question. I appreciate your question
1:18:23
Andrew. He says please ask Kent if he
1:18:26
can Define when he means by new information and contrast it with
1:18:31
variation and modification. For example, is a wing still a
1:18:37
modified for limb. New information.
1:18:43
I think it's take a example of an automobile or somebody
1:18:46
decided to add an air conditioning system to an
1:18:49
automobile, which they did back in the 1930s or something that
1:18:53
was new information, added to the vehicle.
1:18:55
I don't think you're going to find any creature that's ever
1:18:57
had new information added through reproduction.
1:19:00
The reptiles that run around is skanks and other a great career
1:19:05
lizards that run around probably would like to have wings to get
1:19:08
away faster but they don't ever get them.
1:19:11
So no new information is ever added.
1:19:14
The dog is still a dog. The cow is still a cow human.
1:19:18
Still have two eyes on the front.
1:19:20
They never got the one on the back that they needed for backup
1:19:22
camera. So it there's there are no
1:19:25
examples of new information being added.
1:19:27
They're only examples of information, being lost fish.
1:19:31
Going in a cave after Generations.
1:19:33
They're blind. Well, that's a loss.
1:19:35
Not a game. I'm unaware of any examples.
1:19:38
Where any any new new usable information?
1:19:41
Has been been gained by any kind of animal certain, not in the
1:19:43
laboratory and they've tried They can't, if you can't make it
1:19:49
happen, it doesn't happen, sir. It doesn't happen in nature.
1:19:52
I appreciate that response. Can't and atheist Junior.
1:19:55
If you had a quick response go ahead well I didn't really hear
1:19:59
a definition for information there.
1:20:00
But if I had to Define it, I would say new genetic
1:20:04
information is mutations causing new nucleotide sequences to
1:20:11
form, you know, new letters in the atcg sequence.
1:20:15
So that would be my definition. Okay, I appreciate that
1:20:18
response. And since the question was for
1:20:20
you, Ken will give you the last word go.
1:20:23
Well, nobody's ever observed, this changing the letters of the
1:20:26
alphabet around, creating something useful.
1:20:28
That's hereditary goes bad gets passed on it would require
1:20:32
trillions. Quadrillions quintillions of
1:20:34
changes like that. To change an algae to a whale
1:20:40
You're just dreaming, so religion.
1:20:43
I've said it for years, I'll say it till I die.
1:20:45
Evolution is a religion. It's the dumbest and most
1:20:47
dangerous religion in the world and it is nothing but a
1:20:50
religion. And if you want to believe it
1:20:51
fi, but I resent it being in the public school system.
1:20:55
It's a violation of our separation of church and state.
1:20:59
Keep your religion in your atheist church, I appreciate
1:21:03
that response. I appreciate all the questions
1:21:05
guys, I know we still have some super chats and about a thousand
1:21:09
questions. Keep us busy for the next 10
1:21:11
hours, but we are at the hour and a half.
1:21:13
Mark time has flown by. We are going to call it here.
1:21:17
It's been a great debate. Definitely one to remember.
1:21:19
We've had a great chat as I pointed out.
1:21:22
Great questions. Thank you, everybody for the
1:21:24
support, and thank you to dr. Hoeven and AJ for doing this
1:21:28
debate, and given us their time. So why don't we hand it to The
1:21:32
Debaters for some final words? Some final thoughts before we
1:21:36
shut it down for the night AJ, some final thoughts.
1:21:40
Final words. Yeah, I just wanted to say thank
1:21:43
you, sft for hosting this and can't forget, you know, doing
1:21:48
this with me. I know this is my first debate,
1:21:50
so thank you to the chat for kind of bearing with me.
1:21:54
And I really enjoyed it. So I would like to do this again
1:21:58
or with, you know, debates with other people.
1:22:01
But my channel is just getting started.
1:22:03
So hopefully I can do some more debates like this.
1:22:06
So thank you. I appreciate it.
1:22:08
My pleasure and Some final words, final thoughts or sure
1:22:12
this July 4th of July. We're having a big deal going on
1:22:15
here at dinosaur Adventure Land. A boot camp for to train people
1:22:18
on creation. Bring in some young speakers
1:22:20
that are getting Ministry started.
1:22:22
AJ come down to Dinosaur Adventure Land July 2nd through
1:22:24
the fifth, over the Fourth of July weekend and we have a
1:22:27
debate right here live. Your be your second one, give
1:22:30
you more experience. All right, gentlemen, well thank
1:22:33
you for the final words from cat from AJ, thanks to everybody who
1:22:38
showed up for this debate, we had over 100 people in the chat
1:22:41
and was a lot of fun. So once again, thank you so
1:22:43
much. We'll see you this week for.
1:22:45
We got a bunch of shows interviews discussions guys.
1:22:48
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