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Is FAFO the End of Gentle Parenting? [R] · Dr Justin Coulson's Happy Families

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  Speaker 1: Hello, Welcome to the Happy Family Podcast. Forget gentle parenting
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  Speaker 1: and helicopter parenting and tiger parenting. There is a new
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  Speaker 1: boss in town. And it goes by four letters that
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  Speaker 1: would make your grandma blush. In fact, it goes by
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  Speaker 1: four letters that I would even be uncomfortable with. So
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to change the name already. It's called faffo
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  Speaker 1: f a fo parenting. That's the latest parenting style on
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  Speaker 1: the block. The F stands for something that I'm not
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  Speaker 1: going to say, so I'm going to say, fuss around
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  Speaker 1: and find out. Fuss around and find out for those
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  Speaker 1: who are keeping score at home. And yes, this parenting
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  Speaker 1: style means that parents are literally throwing their kids in ponds,
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  Speaker 1: making them buy their own underwear, letting them walk home
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  Speaker 1: in thunderstorms. It's a tough love comeback. Is it what
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  Speaker 1: parents the world over have been waiting for? Or has
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  Speaker 1: the pendulum swung so far from gentle parenting that we've
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  Speaker 1: landed in the middle of law of the flies. Stick around,
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  Speaker 1: because today we're diving deep into why this viral parenting
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  Speaker 1: trend might be setting our kids up for exactly the
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  Speaker 1: opposite of what we think we're teaching them. The Wall
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  Speaker 1: Street Journal is making a noise about FAFO parenting. We'll
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  Speaker 1: talk about it next. Stay with us.
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  Speaker 2: The newest trend on TikTok is fathole parenting an acronym
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  Speaker 2: for f around and find out what this trend is
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  Speaker 2: talking about is the cause and effect method. Fafole parenting
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  Speaker 2: is when a mom or dad doesn't come in for
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  Speaker 2: the save, but rather let's life teach the lesson.
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  Speaker 1: Hello. Thanks to joining us on the Happy Families Podcast,
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  Speaker 1: Australia's most downloaded parenting podcast, Real parenting solutions. Every single day.
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  Speaker 1: We are Justin and Kylie Colson, parents have six kids,
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  Speaker 1: and today fafa parenting under the spotlight. Never had a
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  Speaker 1: fafaux parent on parental guidance Kylie.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm just wondering whether or not they've all been
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  Speaker 3: to English classes.
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  Speaker 1: Is this like, well, you've got fly in fly out,
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  Speaker 1: that's fi fo and this is fath fuss around and
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  Speaker 1: find out. It's like when you look at your child
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  Speaker 1: and you say you really want to do that fuss
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  Speaker 1: around and find out that's that kind of that's the
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  Speaker 1: concept behind fafaux parenting.
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  Speaker 3: It just think of it as the end doesn't roll
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  Speaker 3: off the tongue.
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  Speaker 1: No, well, I mean this is what social media does,
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  Speaker 1: though it events new party styles. I'm looking at as
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  Speaker 1: the antithesis of every gentle parenting Instagram post you've ever seen.
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  Speaker 1: So gentle parenting like doctor Becky Kennedy says, validate feelings
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  Speaker 1: off of choices, and fafoux parents say, make a choice,
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  Speaker 1: live with it. Okay, you've eaten a bad burrito. Too bad,
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  Speaker 1: that's what you decided to eat. The Wall Street Journals
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  Speaker 1: Ellen Gammuman over the Lost, and we'll link to this
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  Speaker 1: in the show notes. You will need a subscription to
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  Speaker 1: get past the paywall. But she has profiled parents who
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  Speaker 1: are embracing what they call natural consequences. It's not actually
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  Speaker 1: natural consequences, let me be clear about that, but that's
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  Speaker 1: what they're calling it. They've embraced it with a vengeance.
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  Speaker 1: We're talking about a mum who threw her thirteen year
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  Speaker 1: old in a pond when he sprayed it with a
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  Speaker 1: water gun after he was told not to where talking
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  Speaker 1: about a child psychologist pains me to save this one.
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  Speaker 1: A child psychologist who made her eight year old by
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  Speaker 1: his own replacement underwear with his allowance after he had
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  Speaker 1: some bathroom accidents and didn't seem to be learning I
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  Speaker 1: might just add in brackets. Turns out that it was
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  Speaker 1: a medical issue. She apologized, but it highlights a concern
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  Speaker 1: that I have with fafaux parenting that will address a
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  Speaker 1: little bit later. Basically, fafaux parenting represents this really dramatic
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  Speaker 1: shift that I think we've had. Gentle parenting has dominated
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  Speaker 1: the parenting discourse for the last decade, and my take
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  Speaker 1: on this is gentle parenting is just too hard and
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  Speaker 1: that's why so many people complain about it so much.
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  Speaker 1: But fafaux parenting is just this dramatic shift from where
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  Speaker 1: we've been to where I know a lot of parents
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  Speaker 1: are feeling like they're supposed to go because gentle parenting
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  Speaker 1: is so hard.
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  Speaker 3: This just feels like to me, a bit of a
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  Speaker 3: knee jerk reaction because parents are struggling to be emotionally regulated.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and maybe there's too many of their parents who
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  Speaker 1: are saying enough of this namby Pamby stuff. So let's
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  Speaker 1: be clear. I'm not a gentle parenting advocate. I don't
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  Speaker 1: like gentle parenting because I think it is too hard.
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  Speaker 1: That's why I talk about need supportive parenting. Our approach,
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  Speaker 1: my approach is completely different to gentle parenting. There's crossover,
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  Speaker 1: but it's not the same thing. But this is just
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  Speaker 1: a knee jerk reaction with people saying us stuff it.
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  Speaker 1: The kids just need to do as they're told or
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  Speaker 1: they'll suffer the consequences.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and it feels like to me in so many regards,
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  Speaker 3: we're taking ten steps backwards in our efforts to help
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  Speaker 3: our children recognize not only their own humanity, but the
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  Speaker 3: humanity of everyone else around them. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So basically, connection before correction is out emotion regulation, which
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  Speaker 1: is not that bothered about it anymore. Regulate your own
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  Speaker 1: stupid emotions if you want to be that silly.
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  Speaker 2: There's this.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it's quite confronting when you think about it.
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  Speaker 1: FAFE parents, I would say, just saying, we tried being gentle,
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  Speaker 1: our kids walked all over us. So now it'side some
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  Speaker 1: old school reality checks. That's how I'm seeing the subtext. Really,
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  Speaker 1: gentle parenting has created a generation of softs and entitled
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  Speaker 1: kids who can't handle the real world, And FAFO is
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  Speaker 1: the pendulum swim, arriving coincidentally round about the same time
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  Speaker 1: that Donald Trump becomes president. Yeah, just putting that out there.
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  Speaker 1: But here's where it gets interesting to me, And I
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  Speaker 1: think we need to dig deeper than the viral TikTok takes.
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  Speaker 1: I want us to investigate arguments both for and against FAFO,
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  Speaker 1: fuss around and find out parenting. So I've put together
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  Speaker 1: a list of three reasons that people might be for it,
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  Speaker 1: and then three reasons that I'm against it, and what
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  Speaker 1: to do instead.
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  Speaker 3: Well, let's dig in what's number one?
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  Speaker 1: All right, I have my shovel. Let's start digging the
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  Speaker 1: case for fatheau paring. And this is hard for me
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  Speaker 1: because I don't love it. I have some really big reservations.
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  Speaker 1: But this I think is the strongest argument of all
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  Speaker 1: real world preparation. Real world preparation FAFAU parents do have
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  Speaker 1: a point when they say that the world is not
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  Speaker 1: a kind place. The world is not a gentle place.
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  Speaker 1: Your boss is not going to validate your feelings when
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  Speaker 1: you miss a deadline or when you don't shot up
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  Speaker 1: for work. The bank isn't going to have empty before
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  Speaker 1: you because you can't make your mortgage payment. So the
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  Speaker 1: fa FAU line is basically, I'm doing my kids a
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  Speaker 1: favor by teaching them very very early that actions have
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  Speaker 1: consequences period like no cushioning, no duos, no participation medals
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  Speaker 1: for everybody. Really simple logic. Learn the lessons at home
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  Speaker 1: where the stakes are low. Much better to do that
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  Speaker 1: than out in the real world, where the stakes are
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  Speaker 1: significantly higher and the pain is a lot greater.
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  Speaker 3: This just is insane to me what you're saying.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not saying I agree with that, I'm outstand but.
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  Speaker 3: The argument just sits so uncomfortably with me, because just
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  Speaker 3: because the rest of the world is harsh and horrible,
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  Speaker 3: does that mean that I have to follow the crowd
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  Speaker 3: and join in Like that doesn't make any sense to me.
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  Speaker 3: I want to be a soft and safe place for
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  Speaker 3: my kid. The rest of the world isn't. They're not
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  Speaker 3: invested in my child the way I am, So why
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  Speaker 3: would I want to be anything other than a safe
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  Speaker 3: place for my kid?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, fundamentally, And this is coming up in part two.
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  Speaker 1: But this is a misunderstanding about how boundaries work and
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  Speaker 1: how discipline is really about problem solving. I've been saying
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  Speaker 1: that ad nauseum for years now. But if we can
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  Speaker 1: just get in our heads that discipline is not about
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  Speaker 1: hurting our kids to teach them a lesson. Discipline is
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  Speaker 1: about problem solving so that they can discover lessons.
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  Speaker 3: I remember when I got my very first job and
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  Speaker 3: my boss was awful to me. She was really really
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  Speaker 3: awful to me until I had a medical challenge and
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  Speaker 3: she stepped up to the plate and she was amazing
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  Speaker 3: and we got to have some really good conversations. And
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  Speaker 3: at that point she actually shared with me that her
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  Speaker 3: boss before her had been awful to her, and she
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  Speaker 3: just assumed that that's what a boss did.
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  Speaker 1: One of my first bosses, I actually had an exercise
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  Speaker 1: book and I used to take notes of all the
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  Speaker 1: things to not do when I was a boss because
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  Speaker 1: he was just awful. It was awful. So being the
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  Speaker 1: soft place at home will definitely help, I think anyway.
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  Speaker 1: That's the first argument. There was a tough place the
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  Speaker 1: kids need to learn it where the stake's are low
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  Speaker 1: at home.
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  Speaker 3: Sorry, I'm just putting holes in your arguments, but.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, number two. If this is going to be
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  Speaker 1: a long podcast, if you keep doing this, all right.
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  Speaker 1: The second argument that I think that Fafaux parents are
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  Speaker 1: making is that Fathau parenting requires clear boundaries and expectations.
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  Speaker 1: There is something refreshingly straightforward about fafaux parenting because you
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  Speaker 1: don't have to have any complex emotional negotiations, you don't
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  Speaker 1: have to go through the endless explanations. There's no bargaining
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  Speaker 1: with tiny terrorists. There als are really clear immediate consequences.
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  Speaker 1: Everyone knows where they stand. And for parents who are exhausted.
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  Speaker 1: So I watch gentle parents on social media that are
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  Speaker 1: sort of making the argument this is really hard, and
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  Speaker 1: I'm watching them, even on parental guidance, and I'm going seriously,
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  Speaker 1: some parents they make it look so so hard.
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  Speaker 3: Well there are no boundaries though.
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  Speaker 1: That's right, or they're being so soft that they're not
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  Speaker 1: effective and doing boundaries the way that they need to
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  Speaker 1: be done. And so fathaux parenting offers this simplicity. I
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  Speaker 1: told you what would happen. You chose to test it
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  Speaker 1: out here we are Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: For me, I just I think about this idea.
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  Speaker 1: You're going to argue about it again. This is just
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  Speaker 1: the argument for it, I.
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  Speaker 3: Am because because we want to evaluate our performance as
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  Speaker 3: a parent based on where our child is as a
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  Speaker 3: ten year old or a five year old, or a
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  Speaker 3: seven year old or even a fifteen year old and
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  Speaker 3: we don't realize that we're in this for the long game.
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  Speaker 3: This is a long game, and the experience is that
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  Speaker 3: we're having with our children. They are really messy, they're
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  Speaker 3: so messy, But it's what happens later. It's actually what
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  Speaker 3: happens when they leave the house that makes the difference.
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  Speaker 1: You're going to enjoy the second half of this podcast
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  Speaker 1: if we ever get to Okay, number three, I don't
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  Speaker 1: want to rush you, but I know, I mean, this
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  Speaker 1: is a podcast for time poor parents who just want answers.
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  Speaker 1: The third and five, I.
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  Speaker 3: Want good answers. You're not giving me anything good yet.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I'm just saying this is what FAFO parents would
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  Speaker 1: be arguing, is why this works. The third one is
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  Speaker 1: that it's going to be a resilience bill, to believe
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  Speaker 1: it or not. In fact, some people in the Wall
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  Speaker 1: Street Journal said to the author of this article, FAA
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  Speaker 1: advocates argue that constantly protecting kids from discomfort creates fragility,
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  Speaker 1: not strength. When everything is cautioned and consequence free, how
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  Speaker 1: to children learn to bounce back from setbacks. So basically,
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  Speaker 1: these parents believe that if you can experience what they're
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  Speaker 1: going to call manageable hardships like getting soaked in the
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  Speaker 1: rain because you didn't bring your code, or going hungry
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  Speaker 1: to a breakfast because you refuse to have dinner builds
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  Speaker 1: genuine GrITT and problem solving skills.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. So does a kid that gets up at two
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  Speaker 3: thirty in the morning to go and mark out stables
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  Speaker 3: and do hard, hard work. Yes, yeah, and they do
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  Speaker 3: it autonomously.
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  Speaker 1: I would also add that the evidence doesn't necessarily support that,
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  Speaker 1: like it's good for kids to have manageable, age appropriate difficulties.
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  Speaker 1: That is true, but I think that they're overinterpreting what
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  Speaker 1: the research tells. So after the break, let's make you
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  Speaker 1: feel better about life. I'll tell you why I don't
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  Speaker 1: like fafao parenting. You've already explained why you don't and
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  Speaker 1: why I don't think you should adopt it. Okay, Kylie,
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  Speaker 1: the case against fafaux parenting, even though it is the
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  Speaker 1: new trend on TikTok and the Wall Street journals making
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  Speaker 1: a big deal about it, and there are a lot
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  Speaker 1: of parents who are saying, finally, we don't have to
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  Speaker 1: keep on bubble wrapping our kids.
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  Speaker 3: To me again, this just says more about where they
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  Speaker 3: are in their emotional journey than it is about the.
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  Speaker 1: Kids they wish. I mean, we've got six kids, we
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  Speaker 1: have been parenting for for nearly twenty six years. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: nearly twenty six years. Don't you just wish, knowing what
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  Speaker 1: we know now, that we could go back and stary again,
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  Speaker 1: Like if you could implant the stuff that we've learned
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  Speaker 1: into our brains as twenty something year olds having our
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  Speaker 1: first child, we would do it so differently. Let's talk
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  Speaker 1: about the case against fafaux parenting. The first of three
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  Speaker 1: big reasons that I don't like it why I don't
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  Speaker 1: think you should adopt her as follow The first one
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  Speaker 1: is this it damages the parent child relationship.
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  Speaker 3: Well, my daughter rings me, she's sad, she's upset, she's
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  Speaker 3: having a hard time, and I tell it, suck it up, princess.
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  Speaker 1: She's not ringing you next time.
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  Speaker 3: She's not going to ring me. It's exactly having those
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  Speaker 3: conversations with me ever again.
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  Speaker 1: And this is what I think fa fou parents might
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  Speaker 1: be missing. Your relationship with the kids is the foundation
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  Speaker 1: for everything else that happens in their life. And if
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  Speaker 1: you want them to do resilient, the best way for them.
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  Speaker 1: Resilience is actually about relationships first. When relationships are present,
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  Speaker 1: resilience is the natural extension of good relationships because you've
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  Speaker 1: got the soft space to fall back onto.
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  Speaker 3: You know someone's got your back, you know someone's championing
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  Speaker 3: you on even when it's hard and it looks messy
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  Speaker 3: and you're making a big mess of it.
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  Speaker 1: So when you become the opposite, the tough enough princess,
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  Speaker 1: the enforcer of harsh consequences, rather than a guide or
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  Speaker 1: a support system like you described a second ago, what
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  Speaker 1: you do is you change that dynamic and kids start
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  Speaker 1: seeing you as an adversary that they have to outmaneuver
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  Speaker 1: instead of an ally that they can trust. And once
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  Speaker 1: that trust is broken, good like getting them to talk
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  Speaker 1: to you or come to you when they're actually in
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  Speaker 1: trouble because trust it right, believing that you're going to
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  Speaker 1: act in my best interest. If I say suck it up, Princess,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not acting in that kid's best for ut they
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  Speaker 1: know it. They're not going to talk to me again.
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  Speaker 3: And they're going to go anywhere to find a soft
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  Speaker 3: place anywhere. So that could be a school friend who's
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  Speaker 3: not good for them. It could be another parent, it
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  Speaker 3: could be another adult. You have no influence over them
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  Speaker 3: once you've lost that relationships on exactly right, what's number two?
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  Speaker 2: All right?
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  Speaker 1: The second reason that I think that we should not
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  Speaker 1: adopt this is that it confuses As I said in
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  Speaker 1: the first half of this conversation, it confuses punishment with
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  Speaker 1: learning boundaries, like it just muddles it all up. So
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  Speaker 1: making your child go without lunch because they forgot their
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  Speaker 1: lunch box, that doesn't teach them lunch preparedness. It teaches
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  Speaker 1: that Mum and dad are going to let bad things
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  Speaker 1: happen to prove a point. I mean, if this is
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  Speaker 1: an ongoing issue, then we need to solve the problem.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not suggesting that it's not a problem, and I'm
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  Speaker 1: not suggesting that we should keep on running a lunch
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  Speaker 1: boxes up to school. Or if your child doesn't remember
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  Speaker 1: their raincoat or their umbrella and you make them walk
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  Speaker 1: over the thunderstorm, it doesn't teach whether preparedness. They're not
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  Speaker 1: going to start checking the schedule that's not the schedule
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  Speaker 1: of the forecast every day to make sure they've got
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  Speaker 1: the right wet weather gear. It just teaches them parents
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  Speaker 1: will make them suffer if they make decisions that just
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  Speaker 1: just to prove a point. Solving the problem means that
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  Speaker 1: we have conversations, and I think this is the central thing.
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  Speaker 1: There's a big difference between a natural consequence and manufactured hardship.
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  Speaker 1: Real learning, it will happen through understanding cause and effect.
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  Speaker 1: But I don't think that real learning happens through powerplays,
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  Speaker 1: and FAFO seems to skip past the learning and goes
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  Speaker 1: straight to the suffering ouch that hurts.
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  Speaker 3: What's number three?
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  Speaker 1: The last one is that it just creates compliance, not character,
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  Speaker 1: Like we want to raise kids with character. We want
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  Speaker 1: to raise kids who are going to have integrity and
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  Speaker 1: empathy and kindness, And no we don't and be on
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  Speaker 1: the lookout.
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  Speaker 3: On their model.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so fa FAU parenting is about producing obedient children.
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  Speaker 1: But obedience is not the same as character. Obedience is
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  Speaker 1: not the same as respect. Obedience is not the same
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  Speaker 1: as good judgment. When kids behave primarily so they can
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  Speaker 1: avoid punishment, they're not going to develop an internal moral compass.
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  Speaker 1: This is something that Alfie con writes about beautifully and
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  Speaker 1: eloquently and punished by rewards. Rewards and punishments undermine moral
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  Speaker 1: development because kids aren't doing things for the right reasons.
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  Speaker 1: They're doing things because they want to get the goodie
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  Speaker 1: or avoid the nasty stuff. They just don't want to
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  Speaker 1: get caught. They're developing smartest strategies, sweeping stuff under the rug,
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  Speaker 1: hiding behind the couch so they don't get caught. The
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  Speaker 1: moment that surveillance stops, all bets are off. We want
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  Speaker 1: kids who are going to make good choices because they
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  Speaker 1: understand why those choices matter, not because they're afraid of
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  Speaker 1: what happens if they don't. So in a nutshell, not
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  Speaker 1: a fan of FAFAX parenting. I don't think the Wall
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  Speaker 1: Street Journal should have given it nearly the amount of
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  Speaker 1: air that it got, And I'm disappointed that it's showing
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  Speaker 1: up on so many parenting blogs and so many Instagram
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  Speaker 1: stories because it's a bad parenting style and it doesn't
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  Speaker 1: support kids basic psychological needs. I guess that's a wrap, okay.
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  Speaker 1: The Happy Families podcast is produced by Justin Ruland from
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  Speaker 1: Bridge Media. Mimhammon's provides admin research and other support. If
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  Speaker 1: you'd like more information about FAFO parenting and jump into
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  Speaker 1: our show notes, you'll find all the details there. We're
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  Speaker 1: going to turn this one into a blog as well
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  Speaker 1: and pop it up on our Happy Family's website. So,
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  Speaker 1: if you would like more information and resources to make
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  Speaker 1: your family happier, visit happyfamilies dot com dot au. And
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  Speaker 1: if this will help somebody else make their family happier,
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