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INTERVIEW: Carl Payne Talks ‘Jersey Love Comedy Show,’ Cosby Show, Malcolm-Jamal Warner + More · The Breakfast Club

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  Speaker 1: Every day a week ago.
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  Speaker 2: Click yours up the Breakfast Club finish for y'all done. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: this morning show, The Breakfast Club, Charlamage and the God
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  Speaker 2: dj n be just hilarious.
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  Speaker 3: Laura La ROSSI is here and he's around here somewhere.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know what the hell he at right now,
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  Speaker 2: but we got a special guest in the building, Anthony
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  Speaker 2: Payne in the second.
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  Speaker 3: This merchant is very fresh, by the way, very very
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  Speaker 3: very fresh. You got the Martin Yeah, how are you?
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  Speaker 3: First of all?
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  Speaker 4: Bro good my brother?
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  Speaker 3: How you you look? Good man? You ain't aging at all. No,
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  Speaker 3: he's not.
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  Speaker 1: Do what I could do?
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  Speaker 4: What I can do it.
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  Speaker 2: You played some very memorable sitcom characters like like when
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  Speaker 2: did you realize people weren't just watching but they were
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  Speaker 2: connecting with your work?
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  Speaker 4: When did I realize that there's a difference between connecting
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  Speaker 4: with the work and then like fame? Does that make
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  Speaker 4: sense what I'm saying?
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  Speaker 1: Right?
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  Speaker 4: Like like I think I was at a New Addition concert, right,
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  Speaker 4: I never forget this. It was like during the height
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  Speaker 4: of Cosby. Right, I was at a New Addition concert
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  Speaker 4: and I walked in in the dark, and I think
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  Speaker 4: the lights had came up right. It was like they
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  Speaker 4: were It was like the opener. And then they were
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  Speaker 4: about to perform and I was going to my seat. Yeh,
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  Speaker 4: right right, it's like the eighties, early early eighties, early
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  Speaker 4: early eighties, early eighties. And I was walking to my seat.
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  Speaker 4: I was getting ready to go to my seat, and
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  Speaker 4: the lights came up, and I'll never forget. It was like,
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  Speaker 4: I think a Webster was there, Emanuel Lewis right, he
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  Speaker 4: was there, and I think, you know, they saw him
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  Speaker 4: in the crowd was storing calling crazy. I think Eddie
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  Speaker 4: Murphy was there, and you know, you know, and then
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  Speaker 4: all these girls and all these people started coming down
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  Speaker 4: and it was pointing in my direction and I was like,
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  Speaker 4: and I'm turning around, like who they see? And it
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  Speaker 4: was like chaos, but it was me. And then they
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  Speaker 4: had that escort me backstage right, and I was like,
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  Speaker 4: that's the the just that moment alone, and just because
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  Speaker 4: I was like, oh, who the you know? Who else
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  Speaker 4: is here? I was like, no, nigga, you And I
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  Speaker 4: was like, oh damn, there was there was. I don't
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  Speaker 4: I couldn't understand what they was saying. Bottom line is
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  Speaker 4: that moment was crazy and I never forget My best
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  Speaker 4: friend at the time. He looked at me backstage and
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  Speaker 4: he was like because it was like I'm going to
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  Speaker 4: get all.
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  Speaker 5: The left.
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  Speaker 4: Shook, but he was looking like, Oh, this is gonna
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  Speaker 4: be great.
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  Speaker 2: I said all the time, eighties and nineties fame. Nobody
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  Speaker 2: will ever achieve that level of fame.
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  Speaker 3: Ever. The world is just too different.
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  Speaker 4: Eighties eighties was the best time ever. Like, if you
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  Speaker 4: was alive during the eighties and you're still alive now,
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  Speaker 4: then you know what I'm talking about. Like the eighties,
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  Speaker 4: the eighties was just different. It was it was like
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  Speaker 4: it was like a it was like a revolution, right.
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  Speaker 4: It was like just everything was. Everything was about fun.
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  Speaker 4: Everything was happy. Movies was happy, h clubs, everything was.
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  Speaker 4: It was a movement. I love the eighties.
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  Speaker 2: I love and that's why I don't understand about like
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  Speaker 2: when it comes to black uh culture, right, Like we
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  Speaker 2: always talk about what we're missing. We had it the
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  Speaker 2: eighties and nineties especially, I'm talking about this TV and
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  Speaker 2: film in the.
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  Speaker 3: Eighties the nineties. It was positive. It was black people
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  Speaker 3: depicted in the right light.
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  Speaker 4: Like I don't know what happened, Yeah, yeah, well.
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  Speaker 3: Come on, get.
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  Speaker 4: It happened a lot of things happened, man, I think.
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  Speaker 4: I think, well, first of all, you know the every
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  Speaker 4: everything changes, everything changes, landscape change, Uh, Internet that was huge,
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  Speaker 4: social media huge, and then it became like it killed
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  Speaker 4: the celebrity in my opinion, you know what I'm saying,
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  Speaker 4: like like because then now anybody can be whatever, right,
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  Speaker 4: So and then there's no there's no mystery, there's no
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  Speaker 4: there's nothing anymore.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 4: So it's like a lot of these things change and
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  Speaker 4: that's that that helped to me shape the landscape.
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  Speaker 6: And back then you didn't You only knew a celebrity
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  Speaker 6: for their work. You didn't know their life. You didn't
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  Speaker 6: know who they were, who they were sleeping with. You
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  Speaker 6: didn't know if they did drugs or not, or you know,
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  Speaker 6: you could probably take a guess because of how some
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  Speaker 6: of them acted. Is but I'm just saying, like you,
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  Speaker 6: we weren't in their lives. You couldn't send them a
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  Speaker 6: DM and and they see it and you see that
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  Speaker 6: they read it. You know, y'all weren't accessible at all.
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  Speaker 4: Well, it used to be a club. It used to
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  Speaker 4: be a very special club that you had to be
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  Speaker 4: have talent to be a part of. You had you
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  Speaker 4: had to really have something right one of three things,
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  Speaker 4: if not all three things. And it was an elite club.
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  Speaker 4: And that was that, you know what I'm saying, Like
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  Speaker 4: before social media to become a household name, you know,
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  Speaker 4: the kind of work you had to put in, do
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  Speaker 4: you know, the kind of just And you're right, it
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  Speaker 4: was always about the talent. It was always about the work.
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  Speaker 2: And yeah, but it was appointment viewing too. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I was a Joel witness. So on Thursday nights,
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  Speaker 2: we was at the Kingdom of but we was recording
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  Speaker 2: Cosby Show to come home and watch. So you think
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  Speaker 2: about all of America gathering around in television when it's
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  Speaker 2: only like three four channels at the time to watch
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  Speaker 2: one show. Like I was looking at some numbers the
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  Speaker 2: other day and I think one episode of Coffee Show
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  Speaker 2: had sixty five million viewers.
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  Speaker 4: B Yeah, yeah, it was, it was.
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  Speaker 3: It was.
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  Speaker 4: It was incredible. It was incredible, and I was just
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  Speaker 4: blessed to be a part of it, you know what
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  Speaker 4: I'm saying, Like it was super impactful. And I think
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  Speaker 4: the one thing, not even the one thing, the thing
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  Speaker 4: they'll let you know how programming works, and just the
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  Speaker 4: powerful impact of it. I mean, I think I don't
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  Speaker 4: even know the numbers off hand, but the amount of
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  Speaker 4: young black individuals that decided to go to HBCUs right,
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  Speaker 4: decided to take their lives into a different trajectory, become lawyers,
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  Speaker 4: become doctors, to really put forth an energy and effort
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  Speaker 4: into not just like okay, they wanted to be something
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  Speaker 4: different because we had we didn't have those images. We
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  Speaker 4: didn't have that even though they existed, they one existed,
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  Speaker 4: we just didn't have that. And it broke all kind
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  Speaker 4: of color lines and barriers.
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  Speaker 2: And you know, something happened. I don't care what y'all say.
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  Speaker 2: There was a switch hit where they was like there's
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  Speaker 2: too many black people.
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  Speaker 4: What's the thing they call it? When it's like it's
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  Speaker 4: like you what they call it? Where it's like now
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  Speaker 4: they act like it never existed, right, you know what
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  Speaker 4: I'm talking about? Like the different But because Simbad was
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  Speaker 4: one of them, like that was one of the things,
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  Speaker 4: Like it was like the movie Simbad Versus Anyway, it
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  Speaker 4: was part of it.
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  Speaker 5: What about onlike the network like power making decisions side
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  Speaker 5: of it, Like what do you think something happened?
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  Speaker 3: Man?
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  Speaker 5: Because okay, like I've heard you talk about like even
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  Speaker 5: with like Martin, Like when y'all were going through things
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  Speaker 5: on y'all set that exact new things were happening, but
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  Speaker 5: they didn't really like step in and like make sure
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  Speaker 5: their stars were good because they just wanted to get
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  Speaker 5: through the episodes. Like, so, how did that lack of
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  Speaker 5: like you know, I guess, empathy for y'all understanding the
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  Speaker 5: impact from the network side, how did that get us
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  Speaker 5: to where we don't have, you know, a lot of
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  Speaker 5: these like black shows on television.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know. I'm with Charlomagne. Something happened, something happened,
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  Speaker 4: something happened. I really don't know, I think, but I
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  Speaker 4: think everything happens in cycles. Right It's like I feel
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  Speaker 4: like we we will probably see a resurgence of that,
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  Speaker 4: just in a different way right now, because you got
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  Speaker 4: to look at it right now, there's all these verticals,
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  Speaker 4: the microverse, micro dramas and things like that. So I
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  Speaker 4: think you're gonna see it again, just in a different way.
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  Speaker 7: Well, it hit like.
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  Speaker 1: It won it won't. It won't.
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  Speaker 4: It won't because it's oversaturated. It's oversaturated now the cream
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  Speaker 4: will always rise to the top, so to speak. If
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  Speaker 4: that makes sense, But no, it won't be the same
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  Speaker 4: because it's a different environment right now. You know, I
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  Speaker 4: see what I'm saying, Which is why in my opinion,
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  Speaker 4: right which is why like someone like Chappelle will make
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  Speaker 4: such a huge difference in impact right because he's literally
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  Speaker 4: touching on and putting his finger on the pulse of
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  Speaker 4: what is happening right now. And to me, that was
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  Speaker 4: part of the secret saw or the success at the
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  Speaker 4: time of Martin was the fact that we literally had
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  Speaker 4: our finger on the pulse right It was like it
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  Speaker 4: was you hanging out with her and hanging out with
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  Speaker 4: Hut and then we put it on TV Wow, and
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  Speaker 4: it was like we get to speak how we want
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  Speaker 4: to speak, We got to play how we want to play,
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  Speaker 4: and we bringing the culture to the culture, and we're
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  Speaker 4: pushing the needle of the culture. So you know, in
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  Speaker 4: my opinion, that's why certain people will be more impactful
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  Speaker 4: right now because but the but the climate of the country,
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  Speaker 4: the climate of everything right now is it's not that.
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  Speaker 4: It's not the ages. You see what I'm saying, It's not.
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  Speaker 4: It's not in the music, it's not it's literally not
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  Speaker 4: in every aspect of culture or life.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like there's a sense of community missing
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  Speaker 3: right now.
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  Speaker 2: Even when you talk about you know how you know,
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  Speaker 2: you talk about how all of y'all used to hang
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  Speaker 2: out and then it's on television, but we used to all.
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  Speaker 3: Hang out and watch y'all on TV. It was this
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  Speaker 3: is a.
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  Speaker 4: Community like but but it felt a community personal, right,
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  Speaker 4: It felt it felt like like what's and that's the
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  Speaker 4: same thing with comedy, right, like what's personal is actually universal,
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  Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, And that's that's one of
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  Speaker 4: the things like I had to learn when doing my
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  Speaker 4: comedy was like when I first started, I was just
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  Speaker 4: a student of the game. I didn't know nothing. I
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  Speaker 4: had to pay my dues, the whole nine, and I
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  Speaker 4: thought it was just about jokes. But then I like,
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  Speaker 4: I like took another look at and I say, no, no,
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  Speaker 4: I gotta treat this like it's on art form and
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  Speaker 4: I have to approach it like I did with my acting.
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  Speaker 4: I literally have to go to school again. I literally
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  Speaker 4: have to like pay my dues and be in it,
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  Speaker 4: immerse myself in it. And I learned early on that
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  Speaker 4: you know how when you learn, you learned you learn
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  Speaker 4: in the classroom, which is on stage, which is not
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  Speaker 4: a fun place to learn. But I learned early on
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  Speaker 4: that people really do want to know, like you have
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  Speaker 4: to be vulnerable, you really have to you know. And
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  Speaker 4: I was always scared of that. I was scared of
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  Speaker 4: that because I was like, yeah, they know, they don't know,
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  Speaker 4: they know, but they don't.
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  Speaker 1: Know you vulnerable.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, because listen, listen. Only the thing about acting you
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  Speaker 4: get to be vulnerable, but you're playing a character, so
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  Speaker 4: you can literally pour your heart and soul into someone else,
• 10:06
  Speaker 4: and you got people to lean on, right, like like
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  Speaker 4: a great basketball team. I thowt of Rock the Jets.
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  Speaker 4: Now it's her turn. But when you on stage, you naked,
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  Speaker 4: it's you by yourself, and you're gonna share something that
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  Speaker 4: you really hope that they connect with on one level
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  Speaker 4: or not. It's like, you know, you're like, hey, I'm naked.
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  Speaker 4: You like this?
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  Speaker 1: Like that?
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  Speaker 4: You know what I mean? So? How gonna geve Iten?
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  Speaker 7: Doing comedy?
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  Speaker 4: I started, I started a long time ago, but I
• 10:36
  Speaker 4: really picked it back up in the twenty seventeencause.
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  Speaker 7: I remember you.
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  Speaker 6: You were in one of the clubs you came to
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  Speaker 6: one of my dates. Yeah, I was down South and
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  Speaker 6: it came to the show. He saw me do comedy
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  Speaker 6: and he was saying that he was doing it, and
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  Speaker 6: I was like, oh my god, cold doing comedy, you
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  Speaker 6: know what I mean. But I just thought it was dope.
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  Speaker 4: What made you get into it though, because it was
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  Speaker 4: the scariest thing man, Like you said, like it was,
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  Speaker 4: it was for me, it was, except there was a
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  Speaker 4: couple of things. It's like reinventing. It's like the next
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  Speaker 4: level of whatever. Right, So let's go back, coming up
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  Speaker 4: in the game. You always saw whatever show you heard
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  Speaker 4: that that is you could have played it off though, No, No,
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  Speaker 4: it was too loud.
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  Speaker 1: It was way too loud, way too long to play
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  Speaker 1: it off.
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  Speaker 4: It was like looking like, put it this way, if
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  Speaker 4: you see me do this, got something different? Well, you know,
• 11:30
  Speaker 4: because you know, once you get to be a certain age,
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  Speaker 4: you can't pass.
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  Speaker 1: You can't pass gas and just sit straight.
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  Speaker 4: Like get yourself a goddamn any risk and trying to
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  Speaker 4: part saying and straight up you gotta hang with it,
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  Speaker 4: rock with it. Uh, it was. It was. It was
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  Speaker 4: a couple of things. So, like I said, growing up,
• 11:51
  Speaker 4: you always saw that it was always a comedian who
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  Speaker 4: was the anchor of a show. And then they would
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  Speaker 4: always support surround him with a great cast back. And
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  Speaker 4: so early on I said, dang, that's the formula. That's it.
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  Speaker 4: And I had to ask a zex and I would
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  Speaker 4: ask different people like why why is this the formula?
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  Speaker 4: They were like, oh, because And then when they gave
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  Speaker 4: me that, I was like, Okay, one day, I'm gonna
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  Speaker 4: do that. One day, I'm gonna do that because that's
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  Speaker 4: the formula. But it's the scariest thing ever. And I
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  Speaker 4: was like, you said, I was scared to be vulnerable.
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  Speaker 4: I was scared. I was like, man, But then I
• 12:25
  Speaker 4: got into a place where I got to tackle my fears.
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  Speaker 4: I gotta face that, I gotta do everything I said.
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  Speaker 4: I was gonna do everything I set out to do
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  Speaker 4: in this business, in this industry. I said I'm gonna
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  Speaker 4: do it because I also saw it as a means
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  Speaker 4: to a first of all whole another revenue stream number
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  Speaker 4: two open up a million other doors. And it's like
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  Speaker 4: everything that got me to where I was before, I
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  Speaker 4: had abandoned for some reason, you know, because you can
• 12:49
  Speaker 4: get beaten down by this industry. You can get to
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  Speaker 4: a place where you like, I don't do it no more.
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  Speaker 4: I quit, and but yeah, I said, nah, this is
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  Speaker 4: gonna be I got do this, and if I do it,
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  Speaker 4: I'm gonna do it at the highest level. I'm not
• 13:02
  Speaker 4: gonna be doing it like some of the other people
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  Speaker 4: out there who just kind of just think that because
• 13:06
  Speaker 4: they got a name, they could just jump out there
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  Speaker 4: and do it or you know whatever.
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  Speaker 3: You never had the bug before me being around Bill Cosby,
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  Speaker 3: being around Martin Lawrence, like you never had the bug
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  Speaker 3: to do it? Then?
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  Speaker 4: Nah, I mean, well, yes, yes and no, yes and no,
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  Speaker 4: because again, I was just concentrating on doing my job,
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  Speaker 4: you know, like my role, whatever role I had to
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  Speaker 4: play in, whatever job I had to do. And then
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  Speaker 4: they were you know, they started calling me the whole shows,
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  Speaker 4: they started calling me. Actually, you know who got me
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  Speaker 4: into this, who really got me started was was Reggie
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  Speaker 4: bro Man really oh wow? Yeah, And I found that
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  Speaker 4: out recently. I actually thought it was another comedian, but
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  Speaker 4: it was actually him because I actually started hosting and
• 13:47
  Speaker 4: doing different shows and hosting and things like that. And
• 13:49
  Speaker 4: then it was like, and that's really how you build
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  Speaker 4: your set, you know that, that's how you build your
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  Speaker 4: set when you put into work. And yeah, he had
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  Speaker 4: put me on a show or suggested me, but I
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  Speaker 4: didn't know it was him. I didn't know it was him
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  Speaker 4: who had suggested me.
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  Speaker 3: Damn, I told me he was I was supposed to
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  Speaker 3: play their character.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I but you know, comedy looks effoless when it's
• 14:16
  Speaker 2: when it's done right. How much of your performance was
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  Speaker 2: instinct versus like technical.
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  Speaker 4: Craft on stage? All of it, all of it, like
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  Speaker 4: it's you got to combine it all because I mean,
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  Speaker 4: you put it this way, Living in the moment is
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  Speaker 4: is a lot. It's the best feeling ever. You know,
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  Speaker 4: when you got your finger on the post of the
• 14:39
  Speaker 4: crowd and you really you know, you know what I'm saying,
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  Speaker 4: you feel them out. Like every crowd is different, every
• 14:43
  Speaker 4: audience is different. You got to know your audience is
• 14:45
  Speaker 4: whether you are Seattle, Utah, wherever. So it's like but
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  Speaker 4: living in the moment, you know, and then and then
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  Speaker 4: being able to apply all the technical things in that moment,
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  Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. Because you can riff all day,
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  Speaker 4: you can riffle, but what are you talking about? You
• 15:01
  Speaker 4: still got to get into your material. So yeah, you
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  Speaker 4: have to have a set. You got to be able
• 15:06
  Speaker 4: to talk about something like, you know, crowd work is CrowdWork? Okay, great?
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  Speaker 6: But yeah, who are you and where are you pulling
• 15:14
  Speaker 6: from your material?
• 15:16
  Speaker 4: Right?
• 15:17
  Speaker 7: So is it from years of you in the industry?
• 15:19
  Speaker 7: Is that you younger?
• 15:20
  Speaker 4: Is it you everyday life? Right now? I'm a pop pop.
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: I went from unk to O G. You know what
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: I mean? Like you know, yeah, I was like I
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: thought I was still unk.
• 15:31
  Speaker 4: Now you o G?
• 15:32
  Speaker 3: Man?
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: All right, cool?
• 15:33
  Speaker 4: I mean you got one, two, three, five, You.
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: Know what I'm saying.
• 15:43
  Speaker 4: I'm like, I just go from real life. My youngest son,
• 15:46
  Speaker 4: I got four sons. My youngest son is nineteen and man,
• 15:49
  Speaker 4: I tell you he is mister fa fo. He is
• 15:52
  Speaker 4: fuck around and find out guy all day long and
• 15:54
  Speaker 4: he provided, like just real life every day provides me
• 15:58
  Speaker 4: with everything I need, mm, everything I need from being
• 16:02
  Speaker 4: like coming here, being in the Delta Lounge and in
• 16:05
  Speaker 4: the lounge were a Delta lounge. We are living in
• 16:09
  Speaker 4: a fascist society. I'm like, and this is where you
• 16:12
  Speaker 4: choose to.
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: Do this, This is where you're Maybe it's not a time,
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: maybe that's not a place, but this is what.
• 16:21
  Speaker 3: I'm like.
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: I'm sitting there eating my little Minnestroani soup.
• 16:24
  Speaker 4: And I'm like, I can't make this ship up. I
• 16:26
  Speaker 4: can't make this is my life every time. I can't
• 16:29
  Speaker 4: make this up.
• 16:29
  Speaker 3: Did he tell you he was going to go into protest?
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: No, that's my point.
• 16:33
  Speaker 4: I'm literally like and I'm looking around, like, yo, this
• 16:36
  Speaker 4: is a joke, Like this is really happening.
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: Okay, what he thowt some of the news. He's reading
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: the paper, don't.
• 16:42
  Speaker 4: I think he just chose it like he was one
• 16:44
  Speaker 4: of those guys.
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, first of all, how you get in here?
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: But he got in here and this is his audience.
• 16:51
  Speaker 4: Right now, this is what he chooses and people.
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I wanted to ask you, man, because you talked
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: about you know how you know, y'all used to take
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: things from you know, just being around each other and
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: bring it to the TV. And we saw that she
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: and Arno recently say that's how her and Martin's relationship
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: was on the show. Right.
• 17:05
  Speaker 4: Let me tell you something, yo, I stayed out of it.
• 17:08
  Speaker 4: I was not that guy that was not good at that.
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: No.
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: No, no, let me tell you something growing up.
• 17:19
  Speaker 4: But see that's the thing that we're missing right now.
• 17:20
  Speaker 4: We was just talking about this earlier. Kids don't go
• 17:22
  Speaker 4: outside and get their feelings hurt.
• 17:23
  Speaker 7: No more.
• 17:24
  Speaker 4: You gotta get your feelings hurt enough to build up
• 17:27
  Speaker 4: enough tough skin to have some stuff to come back
• 17:29
  Speaker 4: with it. Early on, when Cats was talking about my mom,
• 17:32
  Speaker 4: I wanted to kill him. I want I would. I
• 17:34
  Speaker 4: didn't know how to just but but you go through that, right,
• 17:37
  Speaker 4: you go through it, and you're like, oh no, you
• 17:38
  Speaker 4: can't get mad. You can't. So yeah, we used to
• 17:40
  Speaker 4: play a lot of games. We used to play you
• 17:42
  Speaker 4: can't get mad games all the time. But they would
• 17:44
  Speaker 4: go way too far.
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: They would go way too far, and I know, I
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: was like, yeah, I'm not in it.
• 17:51
  Speaker 4: Especially her Martin. They would just go at it. And
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: I mean she would and then I think it was
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: a teacher's husband at the time, Dwayne, he would he
• 17:59
  Speaker 4: would try to jump in and to Shina was the
• 18:01
  Speaker 4: best yo. I don't know if it came from, you know,
• 18:04
  Speaker 4: growing up. You know when you grow up here in
• 18:05
  Speaker 4: the city, you go up here in the city, and
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: then you got you know, you got a lot of
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: gay friends and things. They know how to cut on it.
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: They and show. She used to be like and Dwayne
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: would say something stupid, and she was like, I'm sorry,
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: I can't hear you because you don't have a basketball
• 18:18
  Speaker 4: in your hand, so I don't. And she never turned
• 18:25
  Speaker 4: it off, and then he would say something stupid and
• 18:27
  Speaker 4: talk about what he did. She was like, I know, oh, yes,
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: you were almost to Nick.
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: I know almost.
• 18:32
  Speaker 4: You were selling out ymca. Is that what you were doing?
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: Background?
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: But you know, you know what I'm saying. I was like,
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: niggas feeling, niggas feeling show.
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: And that's why I'll be like my ministroani soup. You
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: never be laughing, and then I know you ain't laughing.
• 18:50
  Speaker 4: No no, no, no, no, no no. I was definitely agitated.
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: I was definitely yeah, for real, you're gonna let hers
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: say that. Get a son, Get up, Get up.
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: So I had the cold character developed it like because
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: Cole was funny on the show, but he didn't, you know,
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: but you know, but you know what I'm gonna say,
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: He wasn't.
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: That's no, no, no, that's funny.
• 19:14
  Speaker 4: That's funny though, because look, look here's the thing, here's
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: here's Howard developed. I felt like he and I were
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: very close Martin and I in terms of like characters. Right,
• 19:24
  Speaker 4: it's going off, and I was like, well, I gotta
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: do something to kind of separate us, because you know,
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: Tommy was a straight guy, you know, and you can
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: see everybody else's thing. Right then I was like, okay,
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: it was always and that was at the time when
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: all of the everybody, all the black designers was coming on,
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: you know, cross colors, hoo boo, everybody. So I was
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: getting a ton of gear, ton of gear, and I
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: was like, and it was always dressing me real real,
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: you know. I was like, okay, let's start with the clothes.
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: Let's start. And it's like the thing is an actor.
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: When you do your homework, you say, okay, let's build
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: this character. Who is this guy? Who is this guy
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: in this circle of friends? But who is he? You know,
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: where did he come from? You know? And how does
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: he fit in this in this thing? And that's how
• 20:06
  Speaker 4: I started building on him. And then I was like,
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: there's a certain innocence about Cold, There's a certain naivety,
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: right like, so whereas you thought he was dumb, I'm like, no,
• 20:15
  Speaker 4: he just innocent. He just he believes everything. He lives
• 20:18
  Speaker 4: in his own world. But it's okay because they know
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: him there, he the mayor. He ain't there's nothing you
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: can't tell me. He's not committed to he believes everything
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: he's saying. He might have smoked weed too, maybe maybe
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: because you know, you know when you see where you
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: got cat cats that you know you still you know
• 20:37
  Speaker 4: And then they be like me, tell you.
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: What we go?
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: Do you go get these niggas soup for free? That
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: a lot of senion, right, But but I can't give
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: you that tell me, but I can put that in there.
• 20:52
  Speaker 7: I felt like Cole was his most genius when he
• 20:55
  Speaker 7: met Sheanese because Shenice was dumb as they come.
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: I was like, Lord, yes, but which which was?
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: Which was?
• 21:03
  Speaker 4: Which was kind of funny because it's like she took
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: it to the next level. Yeah, she was dumb squared?
• 21:10
  Speaker 7: Yes?
• 21:11
  Speaker 5: Was her character always supposed to be dumb?
• 21:13
  Speaker 7: Or was that like?
• 21:14
  Speaker 5: Did you tweak that because it complimented your character a little?
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: A little?
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: Yes, so yes we did tweak that to answer that, Yes, yes,
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: But I think they wrote it like that too. They
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: wrote it like, oh, that is his soul mate, This
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: is the one that that gets him that he has
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: to look at like people look at him. Makes sense?
• 21:34
  Speaker 7: Yeahcause Big Shirley wasn't the soul mate.
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: No, yeah, well, yes she was, yes, yes, yes she
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: was big Sureley was definitely and more ways than one
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: she held me down.
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: Big surely. One of the most positive depictions of a
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: fat person on TV. We never saw her.
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: Big girl, big girl, big girl.
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: She was a real person.
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah, big heart not she well, all right her. You
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: know what They did show one time early on? No, yeah,
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: early on, and I think it was during the fight
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: party of somewhere around that type of episode.
• 22:10
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah, she fell asleep on the couch. She was a
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: secure she was like so literally she she literally grew.
• 22:16
  Speaker 7: This is big Sharlie. Wait a minute around this black
• 22:18
  Speaker 7: and white on boom.
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah secure, yes, yes, she wasn't even big.
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: That's one point she got.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah she did stick right here.
• 22:30
  Speaker 7: Wow she was like six undred pounds.
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: Oh no, she did.
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: She got bigger as the show went on, to the
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: point where you couldn't even see her on the screen.
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: That's hilarious. Why do you think that human still hits
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: all these decades later? Because Martin's always on and reruns,
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: you know, what.
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: To tell you the truth, I don't know, I don't know. See,
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: I feel like I feel like it was just representative
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: of a time, like you said, an era that that
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: represented fun it represented you know, everything that we all
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: stood for that that again it was like I know him,
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: I know her. That's it was relative. It was relativity.
• 23:07
  Speaker 6: And then you see yourself in it because like I
• 23:09
  Speaker 6: seen myself as Paan, I'm always I had a lot.
• 23:12
  Speaker 6: I had a few on girls going up, but I
• 23:14
  Speaker 6: used to hang with the guys and I would be
• 23:16
  Speaker 6: riffing and cracking on them. And that's how I learned
• 23:19
  Speaker 6: improv I learned doing that, you know, from watching all
• 23:23
  Speaker 6: for y'all was my friends too, you know what I'm saying,
• 23:26
  Speaker 6: you know, So that the nostalgia, the nostalgia of that
• 23:29
  Speaker 6: made me like a comedian, Like that's what I wanted
• 23:32
  Speaker 6: to do.
• 23:33
  Speaker 7: You know. And So with that being said.
• 23:36
  Speaker 6: When people talk about like older reboots and I want
• 23:38
  Speaker 6: to see more and remade, I always have a problem
• 23:42
  Speaker 6: with it because I feel like a time like that
• 23:43
  Speaker 6: can't be remade because those are not the times that
• 23:46
  Speaker 6: we're living in right now.
• 23:47
  Speaker 7: We would have to touch on.
• 23:50
  Speaker 6: Too many other things that would kind of blur the funny,
• 23:54
  Speaker 6: you know, and blur the realism of what's going.
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: On and you know what's interesting about that, yes, is
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: I think that it could have been done at one time.
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: It could have been done. The timing of it would
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: have had to have been specific, right, Yeah, it could
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: have been done. But you're right, certain stuff you don't
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: need to touch. Certain things you definitely just need to
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: you know, because you can't capture that same lightning in
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: a bottle. And you're right, it would have to be
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: done in a way that is indicative and speaks to today,
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. Yeah, I think for the show.
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: I think we talked about this one time too. We
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: talked about this early on for the show. The show
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: could have actually continued to live on an infamy and
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: a cartoon for him. M hmm, because no one gets old,
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: no one died, and it stretches across generations like that
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: would have been, And we had talked about doing it like.
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: That, So I don't even think. I mean, you couldn't.
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: You couldn't do it now without Thomas, you can't.
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: That was the thing. That's why I said. The timing
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: of it, yeah, you know, and like he was my
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: best friend in real life, so you know, the timing
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: of all of that was crazy.
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: So he was your best friend of real life, and
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: you still didn't get in the comedy because he was
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: a stand up too.
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: But but he wasn't.
• 25:02
  Speaker 7: I've seen him all things before you've never.
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: Seen Okay, no, no, that's what I'm saying. He was.
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: He taught me a lot. He taught me a lot.
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: He definitely taught me a lot about the business, about
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: like like about everything. So I think he was one
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: of the people who influenced me the most coming up
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: during that time, you know what I mean, Like like
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: when we first started working on the show. I think
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: about a month or two after we started working, you know,
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: he had like this jeep, you know, the jeep wrangler joints.
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: Right then he like everybody started buying stuff because we're
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: getting money now, right, they started buying things. Then he
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: flipped it and he got himself a land Cruiser and
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: he milked it out, whited at everything like it was
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: like uptown. It was like belong in front of the rooftop,
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: right and I'm looking at him like damn, and he
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: had the dude dropped it off and I saw him
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: give this dude a check for like fifteen thousand, and
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: I'm like what's that for. He was like, no, that's
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: just for the You know what, I said, how much
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: you getting paid? He was like, what you mean? I
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: think we're getting paid? I said, but you can't be
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: getting paid the same. I can't do that. You give
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: it you're given just for accessories. Man, I can't do that.
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: He was like yeah, no, no, I said how much
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: you're getting paid Tommy? And then he was like, well,
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: first of all, he's like, you're incorporated, right. I was
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: like huh. Immediately he was like, no, you're not incorporated.
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: Was like, what was it incorporated? He put me up
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: on being incorporated and incorporated myself. It's like, no, you
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: get the whole check, pay yourself as a company, as
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: an entity. Down. I was like, so I didn't lost
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: all this money.
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: For the last two months, you know what I mean?
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: Not that I'm gonna run out and do that, but
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: my point being so. He was teaching me a lot
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: of stuff.
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: Man.
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: Took me to the golf court course with him, and
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: he was like, this is what deals are made. This
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: is You're gonna want to do this later in life,
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: trust me, you know. Yeah. He put me on he
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: put me on impact. It was rough. It was really
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: rough because I think we would talk all the time,
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: like every other day. We speak, right, and you know
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: after the show, you know, we're catching jobs here and there.
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: You know, we're putting each other in different films. We're
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: doing things with each other, right or if he's doing speaking.
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: He was very, He was very. He was a huge
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: child advocate. He was a huge advocacy for you know,
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: our culture and just being black men in general, right,
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: being responsible, being response able. So he had just had
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: knee surgery, and so we was talking and he was like, yeah, man,
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: I'm in I'm in recovery and you know, rehabit and this,
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: that and the other. So I just spoke to him,
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: you know.
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: What I mean.
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: And then to Sheena had called me and she was like, Carl,
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: you spoke to Tommy. Well she said something like you
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: heard about Tommy And I was like, yeah, yeah, man,
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: you know he's saying he said he's getting his knee.
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: You know, he's his niece is messing with him. She
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: was like, no, Carl, No, I said what you mean.
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: She was like, you gotta go to Atlanta now. She
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: said his girl called him last night and was like
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: he's in a call and I was like, she talked me.
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: I just spoke to him yesterday, stopped playing with me.
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: And so when I went down there, Yeah, it was
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: seeing him and seeing him like that was was kind
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: of wild because you know, you just speak to somebody,
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: then you see him in the bed with them, and
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: then the room had this aura and this feeling and
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: a smell that I will never forget, you know what
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: I'm saying. And yeah, so it was it was one
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: of those called off guard type things. And I know
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: that it was just me, his wife, and the priest
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: in the room and then wow, you know we pulled
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: the blood. Wow, that's all she wanted in the room. Hm. Hm,
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: you know. And she she was like, call, I need
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: you to talk to the press. I can't deal with
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: them right now. So I was like, all right, so
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: I had to I had to like keep all of
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: my stuff together to try to be strong for those
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: you know.
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: Okay, it was did you give yourself an opportunity to
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: agree with you? Are you still agreeing a grief is
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: not linear?
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: But yeah, no, I think I ain't gonna get me
• 29:20
  Speaker 4: on here doing the uh niggas got the tissues on deck?
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: Now doing that?
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: What happened.
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: We're not doing that.
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: I'm not, but he started zooming got tight just.
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: Not either.
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, uh black men do cry not today though, No, No,
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: I have given myself a chance to agree for sure.
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: I just think it's one of those things where the
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: older I get the tight of my circle. Got I
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: don't have a lot of people in my circle because
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: you know, you start, you know what I'm talking about,
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: You start weeding folks out there, weed themselves out for
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: a reason, and then your circle becomes important, a matter
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: of relevance, importance and excuse me all of the above.
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: And it was like, so you know that that person
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: does not exist anymo in my circle, you know what
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: I mean. But what it did teach me was how
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: random and how short life is. Man. You can't take
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: nothing for granted. You know, you can't take so even now,
• 30:39
  Speaker 4: like just those who you know may have made an
• 30:42
  Speaker 4: impact or who influenced you in some way. You know,
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: you got to call your peoples. You gotta check on
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: you got to just say what's up, even because you
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: know you can still have friends that you don't speak
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: to every day, but still you got to just reach
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: out to folks and be like Yo, you're good. I'm
• 30:57
  Speaker 4: just checking on You're good, all right?
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: Cool?
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know. But and to live life differently, right,
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: because it's random, it's super random, So you got to
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: cherish these moments. You gotta take time. I think we
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: be so caught up in our bubble and our goals
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: and we're so focused on X, Y and Z, but
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: we don't take time to be right here right now
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: like this, fella, Like I'm like, first of all, congratulations
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: to y'all. Man, this is beautiful. How you got here,
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: How you got here? You got here than.
• 31:27
  Speaker 5: Dollars?
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: You know what.
• 31:28
  Speaker 7: He definitely didn't got to He got to hundred million dollars,
• 31:32
  Speaker 7: she said.
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: Listening to the crazy either way, big big ups.
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. And I don't take this
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: moment for granted. I don't take God put me in
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: this room right now with y'all.
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: We appreciate having absolutely, you know what I'm saying.
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: So so man, you speak about random and not to
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: stay on this, but how did how did mister Michael
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: his death impact you?
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: I'm glad you brought that up. That's interesting. I had
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: lost my father, don't know if you know I lost
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: my father the day I buried my dad, the day
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: that we was like, what the day the day I
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: buried my father, the day they put him in the
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: crematory where they were that same day what I had
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: just left and I'm sitting in a restaurant because we're
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: all going to grab something to eat. My brother know
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: he was there, and I'm sitting there, I had just ordered.
• 32:27
  Speaker 4: My sister walks over to me with the phone and
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: goes like this, damn. And I was like, like, you
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: know what I mean, Like, I can't process that right now,
• 32:40
  Speaker 4: because at first I thought it was a joke. I
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: thought it was like a hoax, because you know how
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: every now and again, there's always a.
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: Room kill us off.
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, Thankfully they haven't done that
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: to me yet, But I don't know what it is,
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: but I'm just saying I couldn't process it at the moment,
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: Like I literally could not process that at that moment.
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: And what's crazy is how everybody was calling me, you know,
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: like sorry for your loss, sorry for and I'm thinking
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: they're talking about my dad, and they talking about Malcolm
• 33:14
  Speaker 4: because to them, what we represented was like the ultimate friendship, right,
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: This was something that even if even if they didn't know,
• 33:22
  Speaker 4: you know, the level of whatever, but to me, they
• 33:25
  Speaker 4: did think that. They thought we were best friends in
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: real life. So people were calling me saying that, and
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: you know, it was it was very weird. It was
• 33:35
  Speaker 4: very weird.
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: That was ran.
• 33:38
  Speaker 4: It was super random. And again another reminder another I mean,
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: I don't know all the details, you know, but I
• 33:44
  Speaker 4: think he was on vacation something. It was on vacation,
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: and I was like wow, And so my heart went
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: out to his family, like I felt like, man, I
• 33:53
  Speaker 4: can't imagine, Like I wouldn't want to, you know what
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: I'm saying. But I know his mother lost a son,
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, His daughter lost the father.
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: Like you know, their loss is nothing, you know, in
• 34:05
  Speaker 4: terms of him compared to you know what I mean?
• 34:08
  Speaker 4: Does it make sense what I felt more for them?
• 34:11
  Speaker 4: But I was also processing my own situation at.
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: That time, probably probably your old immortality in a lot
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: of ways.
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: Bro h.
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: How do you protect your identity outside of the characters
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: people love so much?
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: I don't try to protect it, to be quite honest
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: with you, You know, I can't. I can't. I can't speak
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: for people right, like, I don't. You know. It's like
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: when you see somebody like if I do a good
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: job and you start screaming, you know, if I played
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: a retardic character, excuse me. I can't say that. No one, right,
• 34:48
  Speaker 4: I'm sorry, especially I'm saying man like, Yo, this the
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: world we live in right now is so crazy anyway.
• 34:59
  Speaker 4: If I play a character that makes you like hate me,
• 35:02
  Speaker 4: you see me on the street and you be like,
• 35:05
  Speaker 4: you know, I'm like, oh, did a great job.
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: I hate retarded people.
• 35:09
  Speaker 9: Yeah, stop, no, no, no, I'm my point being.
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: I was waiting for it.
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: It came.
• 35:30
  Speaker 9: No.
• 35:30
  Speaker 4: I think. I think. I don't make excuses, you know
• 35:33
  Speaker 4: what I'm saying, Like, I live my life and people
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: who know me, people who grew up with me, people
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: who know me know me. They know me like and
• 35:39
  Speaker 4: that's the difference. Like when I go on stage, right,
• 35:42
  Speaker 4: it's like, I'm so different even as a person, I'm
• 35:46
  Speaker 4: so different from Coal. I'm not the furthest I grew
• 35:49
  Speaker 4: up in. All I'm like, I'm not. I'm the furthest
• 35:52
  Speaker 4: thing from Coal you could possibly think of. And people
• 35:54
  Speaker 4: who know me know that. Sometimes people find out the hallway,
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, like, because you know, but
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: I try to be as nice and as genuine as possible.
• 36:04
  Speaker 4: Like I mean, I don't know if you've heard stories
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: about me or not, and I don't really care, you know,
• 36:08
  Speaker 4: but I know one thing is I'm always going to
• 36:11
  Speaker 4: be my authentic self, so you know. And it's it's
• 36:15
  Speaker 4: just one of those things where it's like I can't
• 36:17
  Speaker 4: live my life worried about what other people think or
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: how to separate that from that. My circle is my circle,
• 36:28
  Speaker 4: you know what I mean, Like those who I care about,
• 36:29
  Speaker 4: those who care about me. That's the piece, that's where
• 36:32
  Speaker 4: I need the piece.
• 36:33
  Speaker 5: Mentally, what is it like when you play a character
• 36:36
  Speaker 5: like Cole and Cockroach and people only see you as
• 36:40
  Speaker 5: that for the first time, Like when you experience someone
• 36:42
  Speaker 5: who really doesn't in real life separate the two for
• 36:45
  Speaker 5: the first time. How is that for you mentally? Because
• 36:47
  Speaker 5: it's probably weird to experience like for the first time.
• 36:50
  Speaker 4: It still happens for the first time all the time,
• 36:53
  Speaker 4: like it happens every day. It happened in the park
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: a lot across the street, right. Really, it's just wild.
• 37:00
  Speaker 4: Like when people encounter me or encounter that, they think
• 37:03
  Speaker 4: you're that. So they're like, you know, and and then
• 37:07
  Speaker 4: And that's another reason why I started doing stand up too,
• 37:09
  Speaker 4: because it's like they gotta know. People need to know
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: who called pain is, you know what I'm saying, Like
• 37:14
  Speaker 4: they gotta understand that everything I did was just a
• 37:17
  Speaker 4: stepping stone for the next thing, right, But I was
• 37:20
  Speaker 4: called pain first, right, these characters, And that's what happens.
• 37:23
  Speaker 4: Sometimes you get stereotypes, you get stuck in some of
• 37:25
  Speaker 4: these iconic characters or whatever, like, and every big star
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: has gone through it, from Eddie Murphy to Sevester Saloon
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: or whoever. Rightly talking about.
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: God we're talking about right now.
• 37:48
  Speaker 4: No, it's but but honestly, I take it. I take
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: it with a grain of salt. I don't. I don't.
• 37:53
  Speaker 4: I don't get offended by it, right, I never right,
• 37:56
  Speaker 4: I'm never offended by it because I feel like, that's
• 37:59
  Speaker 4: what I'm saying. Put me in a position to make
• 38:01
  Speaker 4: an impact. That's part of my that's part of my legacy, right,
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: that's part of my that's part of what my stomach
• 38:07
  Speaker 4: is going wild by the way I feel like when
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: you get put in position, right, when you've been blessed
• 38:14
  Speaker 4: with favor when you've been given a gift and you
• 38:17
  Speaker 4: share that gift because that's your And that was one
• 38:20
  Speaker 4: of the thing Timmy taught me. He was like, your
• 38:21
  Speaker 4: gift is not yours. My grandmother told me that your
• 38:24
  Speaker 4: gift thanks yours. You know, growing up in the South,
• 38:26
  Speaker 4: your gift is not yours. Your gift and your purpose
• 38:28
  Speaker 4: are tied together. And when you're living in that, you
• 38:31
  Speaker 4: know it and you don't take that for granted. So
• 38:35
  Speaker 4: when people who don't know me, that just goes, Oh,
• 38:37
  Speaker 4: I need I got more work to do. I got
• 38:39
  Speaker 4: more work to do. I got more work to do
• 38:40
  Speaker 4: because again, I was carall pain first. So now you
• 38:43
  Speaker 4: get to know who crawl Pain is. You come see
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: me on stage, You're like, Oh, he's pop pop, he's
• 38:49
  Speaker 4: a father, he's this that, And I can relate to
• 38:53
  Speaker 4: that shit because he's saying the wild shit that I
• 38:55
  Speaker 4: think that I never say out loud, or the thing
• 38:58
  Speaker 4: that I go through all the time. But I just never.
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: But I didn't know you went through that too. Yeah, yeah,
• 39:02
  Speaker 4: I got caught my dick in my hand. Yeah you
• 39:04
  Speaker 4: know what I'm saying, Like, yeah, yeah, you know what
• 39:07
  Speaker 4: I'm saying, right, you know figuratively.
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: Please shre So you got retarded people with dicks in
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: their hand, your man big, So.
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: When you got you gotta let go from the coffee show, right, Yes,
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: yes I did if yeah Jesus Christ.
• 39:30
  Speaker 4: Always have my dick in my hand. And I was
• 39:32
  Speaker 4: talking to this retarded girl. You know, I don't want
• 39:37
  Speaker 4: bells making cappuccinos all these white women in the room,
• 39:41
  Speaker 4: and I was like, what is this?
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: What's so funny? Though?
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: Back then there was two things my dad used to
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: use an example of an example, I don't even know
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: if this is true. Uh, he used to talk about
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: a family member who didn't remove an earring. That's so,
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: that's why he didn't make the pros as a baseball player.
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: And you're not wanting to cut your hair on coffee show,
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: you know. But I don't even know if that's true.
• 40:01
  Speaker 4: It's not true. I told the story once before. I
• 40:04
  Speaker 4: told the story once before, and you know, I've only
• 40:08
  Speaker 4: so I don't do interviews a lot, so I've only
• 40:10
  Speaker 4: spoke about it one time. What happened was it was
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: the ball headed episode, remember that, the ballheaded episode. And
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: the guy who they had working as the barber, whoever
• 40:24
  Speaker 4: he was right. He hot combed my joint. He hot
• 40:28
  Speaker 4: combed it right to make it lay down so it
• 40:30
  Speaker 4: could fit under the ball wig excuse me. And we
• 40:35
  Speaker 4: didn't shoot in order. We shot like out of order,
• 40:39
  Speaker 4: so to speak. Right. And my hair they tried to
• 40:42
  Speaker 4: get it back didn't match from what we had shot earlier.
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: And you know, Bill had this thing about not you know,
• 40:53
  Speaker 4: natural hair and all of this other stuff like that
• 40:55
  Speaker 4: and all of this that and the other, and he
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: thought I did it, And I was like, I talk
• 41:01
  Speaker 4: to you man, you know, and I feel like there
• 41:08
  Speaker 4: was a lot more going on at that time, because
• 41:11
  Speaker 4: to be let go for something like that, what crowd
• 41:14
  Speaker 4: your hair back up?
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: No?
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he thought I did it. He thought like I
• 41:19
  Speaker 4: put a permitted or something. And I'm like, no, why
• 41:22
  Speaker 4: would I do that? Like that's crazy.
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: He's had a bad day that day.
• 41:26
  Speaker 4: That's That's what I'm trying to say. Like, I feel
• 41:28
  Speaker 4: like there was more going on to be let go
• 41:31
  Speaker 4: for something like that, and I just never spoke on it.
• 41:32
  Speaker 4: I never I let people run wild with all kinds
• 41:35
  Speaker 4: of stories for years. I don't care, But you know,
• 41:38
  Speaker 4: why would I Like, that's the most arrogant thing for
• 41:40
  Speaker 4: me I won't cut my hair, like that's the stupidest
• 41:43
  Speaker 4: thing ever. Of course I cut my head. They got
• 41:44
  Speaker 4: it involved for real. But that's what happened.
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: Wow, And he thought I did it.
• 41:49
  Speaker 4: He thought I did it, and I was like, no, sir,
• 41:52
  Speaker 4: that's not what happened. I spoke after that.
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: I heard about that too. You cursed him out.
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: Mm hmmm, Well, I mean because he was cursed he
• 42:03
  Speaker 4: was you listen, I thought you don't curse.
• 42:09
  Speaker 9: D Yeah.
• 42:12
  Speaker 4: No, look, look it was you know, he's a very
• 42:16
  Speaker 4: interesting man. Let's just say that he's a very interesting man. Sometimes.
• 42:19
  Speaker 4: You know, people like ketchup when it's cold. I like
• 42:22
  Speaker 4: it when it's warm. I don't like to put my
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: ketchup in refrigerator.
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: So it was the conversation about you fired me to
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: cut my head with how how was it and what
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: was it? How far after was that?
• 42:33
  Speaker 4: Well, first of all, it was it was a very
• 42:35
  Speaker 4: in the moment thing that happened. That was kind of
• 42:38
  Speaker 4: you know it was it was. It was very high energy,
• 42:43
  Speaker 4: high intense at the time because it was ridiculous. And
• 42:48
  Speaker 4: then you know, uh, sometime later, so i'm again and
• 42:53
  Speaker 4: you know, you had some very wild things to say
• 42:58
  Speaker 4: then too, you know, which was interesting. I'm like, oh, okay,
• 43:02
  Speaker 4: so Jello pudding pops is just a commercial to act.
• 43:06
  Speaker 4: I get it. I get it. But you know, again,
• 43:09
  Speaker 4: I don't talk about old stuff. I don't talk about
• 43:11
  Speaker 4: things that just is, you know, because I feel like this,
• 43:16
  Speaker 4: there's a blessing in everything. Everything that happens happens for
• 43:19
  Speaker 4: a reason. And so what that did was at that time,
• 43:24
  Speaker 4: it opened my eyes to a lot of things in
• 43:27
  Speaker 4: terms of this industry, how it can be, things that
• 43:30
  Speaker 4: can happen if you built for this type of thing,
• 43:37
  Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. But it also like sometimes
• 43:40
  Speaker 4: when you're being rejected, you're really just being redirected. That's right,
• 43:45
  Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. So yeah, yeah, so at
• 43:48
  Speaker 4: the time, you don't see that. At the time, you're
• 43:51
  Speaker 4: just like devastated or whatever the case may be. And again,
• 43:55
  Speaker 4: as I've gone on in life, and I've been asked
• 43:57
  Speaker 4: about this a million times, I'm not I'm never gonna
• 44:00
  Speaker 4: on disparage another man his name, regardless of regardless of
• 44:03
  Speaker 4: how I feel about it, regardless to whatever happened. Then,
• 44:06
  Speaker 4: you know, because I feel like things that happened at
• 44:09
  Speaker 4: that time was that time. I can't speak for somebody
• 44:12
  Speaker 4: else's mental capacity or whatever they're going through. I can't
• 44:17
  Speaker 4: speak for nobody else, and I'm not going to speak
• 44:21
  Speaker 4: disparingingly on somebody else. It happened, it was what it was.
• 44:26
  Speaker 4: I did what I did. I didn't do that, and
• 44:30
  Speaker 4: my life continued to prosper. You know what I'm saying.
• 44:34
  Speaker 4: I was a part of I've been a part of
• 44:37
  Speaker 4: some great things.
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: Classic, classic, you.
• 44:39
  Speaker 4: Know what I'm saying. And so therefore I already know
• 44:42
  Speaker 4: God got his hand on me. You know, He's got
• 44:44
  Speaker 4: something for me. I'm still here, I'm still doing my thing.
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: So we got your last question about that. That's your
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: first offense.
• 44:52
  Speaker 4: On as far as I knew, that's crazy.
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
• 44:59
  Speaker 4: Like, as far as I knew, I never got like
• 45:01
  Speaker 4: warnings about anything. I never got nothing.
• 45:04
  Speaker 5: But there are always stories about that being like a
• 45:06
  Speaker 5: really tight ship. Like I always hard to say about
• 45:09
  Speaker 5: the Lisa Bonet firing because they didn't want to write
• 45:10
  Speaker 5: her pregnancy into the show, and.
• 45:12
  Speaker 4: Like listen, I was so not into none of that.
• 45:15
  Speaker 4: Like honestly, I was just a kid having a ball. Yeah,
• 45:18
  Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying I was a hood star,
• 45:20
  Speaker 4: you know what I mean? Like I was. I was
• 45:22
  Speaker 4: on a number one show in America, having having great
• 45:24
  Speaker 4: time and just and just like I saw the interview
• 45:29
  Speaker 4: that you guys did with him, and you know, the
• 45:32
  Speaker 4: narrative that somebody else may have created or tried to. Yeah, yeah,
• 45:36
  Speaker 4: like I was never jealous of him. It's not it's
• 45:39
  Speaker 4: not my pedigree. I was. Look when you raised in Harlem,
• 45:42
  Speaker 4: when you come from service, when you see another man shining,
• 45:45
  Speaker 4: you be like, what's up? You see somebody pull up
• 45:47
  Speaker 4: and a whip, be like, yeah, yeah, catch me on Saturday.
• 45:49
  Speaker 4: IM gonna have mine too, you know what I mean?
• 45:50
  Speaker 4: Like I was never envious or I was super happy
• 45:54
  Speaker 4: and thankful to be a part of the show on
• 45:56
  Speaker 4: a whole just in general, you know what I mean.
• 46:03
  Speaker 4: But yeah, no, I was thinking back on the question
• 46:10
  Speaker 4: that you was asking. I think everything just happens for
• 46:15
  Speaker 4: a reason.
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: It kind of makes sense now if there's a narrative
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: that you're jealous of somebody.
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but the opportunity to get.
• 46:26
  Speaker 4: You out of course, of course, But you see what
• 46:29
  Speaker 4: I'm saying. But you're you're always the last to know
• 46:31
  Speaker 4: about that. Now, think about it. I don't know. I'm
• 46:34
  Speaker 4: sure this has happened to everybody in this room in
• 46:36
  Speaker 4: their career. When you're doing you and you're living life
• 46:41
  Speaker 4: just being you, someone else is always going to feel
• 46:44
  Speaker 4: some sort of way about that, especially if it's not
• 46:46
  Speaker 4: their life. Right. Sometimes they see a light in you.
• 46:49
  Speaker 4: Sometimes they see something in you that they want. I'm
• 46:50
  Speaker 4: pretty sure you've been called arrogant, cocky, and all these
• 46:53
  Speaker 4: different things. But it's your confidence. And a lot of
• 46:56
  Speaker 4: times confidence comes off as that. You know. It's specially
• 47:00
  Speaker 4: to some people who may be a little insecure or
• 47:02
  Speaker 4: not or whatever. And I'm not speaking on nobody in specific,
• 47:04
  Speaker 4: I'm just speaking in general, and in this business, in
• 47:07
  Speaker 4: this industry, you have to be, like Mike Epster said
• 47:10
  Speaker 4: in his special, he was delusional, right, So think about
• 47:13
  Speaker 4: all of us. You gotta be a little delusional. You
• 47:16
  Speaker 4: gotta be a little cocky to think that you're gonna
• 47:19
  Speaker 4: beat out one hundred hundred other people for a role, right,
• 47:23
  Speaker 4: to think that you're gonna make it. Out of everybody
• 47:26
  Speaker 4: on the planet, you're gonna make it. You're gonna be
• 47:29
  Speaker 4: the one. You have a little bit of that energy,
• 47:31
  Speaker 4: You're gonna have to have a little bit, and you're
• 47:33
  Speaker 4: gonna carry yourself sometimes with that energy, especially if you
• 47:38
  Speaker 4: if it's coming from a place of this is God,
• 47:40
  Speaker 4: this ain't. But others don't recognize that, right, and so
• 47:45
  Speaker 4: sometimes it gets misconstrued or mistaken. And again, you're always
• 47:50
  Speaker 4: the last to know how someone feels about you. You're
• 47:54
  Speaker 4: always the last to know.
• 47:55
  Speaker 5: Malcolm said in that interview though, that you guys have
• 47:57
  Speaker 5: gotten too a good place and y'all were having better
• 47:59
  Speaker 5: like adult own conversation.
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: Look audio if you want to play I had the audio.
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: Are you're still cool with cockroach?
• 48:07
  Speaker 4: Hilarious?
• 48:07
  Speaker 8: Of course cooler And we're cooler as adults than we
• 48:10
  Speaker 8: were during that time.
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: You and yeah, that's what it was.
• 48:17
  Speaker 8: The original callbacks for Cosby, they flew in an actor
• 48:21
  Speaker 8: from Chicago and flew in an actor from New York.
• 48:24
  Speaker 8: Carl was the actor they flew in from New York.
• 48:26
  Speaker 8: So had I not auditioned for the show, Carl would
• 48:29
  Speaker 8: have played THEO so get you every.
• 48:31
  Speaker 4: Day and see you took my part and then I
• 48:33
  Speaker 4: got to come back and play your best friend.
• 48:35
  Speaker 8: So you know, I think on one hand that was
• 48:38
  Speaker 8: part of it. And he just had he had a
• 48:40
  Speaker 8: huge ego. You know, Yeah, he had a huge ego.
• 48:43
  Speaker 8: So and I didn't come from that kind of place.
• 48:46
  Speaker 8: The way I felt then and the way I feel now,
• 48:49
  Speaker 8: you know, based on my career. If anybody, you know,
• 48:52
  Speaker 8: should walk around with a huge ego, it.
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: Should be me.
• 48:55
  Speaker 8: And if I don't roll like that, I don't really
• 48:57
  Speaker 8: I have very little tolerance for people roll like that.
• 49:00
  Speaker 8: You really, we just never really got along back then.
• 49:03
  Speaker 8: But you know, we're grown now and you and Carl
• 49:06
  Speaker 8: has been through a lot, like his journey is you know,
• 49:08
  Speaker 8: it's been you know, he's had the journey as adults.
• 49:12
  Speaker 8: We've been able to like sit down and have conversations
• 49:14
  Speaker 8: and we're in a very cool grown man place now.
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: That's good.
• 49:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, one. I mean, I think it's interesting some
• 49:23
  Speaker 4: of the things that he said.
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: That's that's water. This is just water, regular water.
• 49:30
  Speaker 7: That's a crazy when they like.
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: That's water the bikers and stuff. So but they can't
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: have regular water, so they make their own water. For
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: the same time.
• 49:43
  Speaker 4: If you don't believe it, I'm just like, you know,
• 49:45
  Speaker 4: you have to ask that question.
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: On the said of the College show. It's just water.
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: Wow stop, Oh my.
• 49:58
  Speaker 4: God, Oh my God, No, I think it's interesting. I
• 50:02
  Speaker 4: think it's interesting. Like I said, yeah, we we you know,
• 50:05
  Speaker 4: we were kids, man, we were kids. It was the eighties.
• 50:07
  Speaker 4: You know, different time, different time, different energy. We come
• 50:12
  Speaker 4: from two different places, you know, Like I said, people
• 50:15
  Speaker 4: don't you don't always mesh, you don't always understand, you know,
• 50:20
  Speaker 4: when you got different energies and things of that nature.
• 50:23
  Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. I think some of the
• 50:26
  Speaker 4: word choices he chose was very interesting to say, like,
• 50:29
  Speaker 4: you know, in terms.
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: Of like.
• 50:34
  Speaker 4: What way he felt. I guess at that time that
• 50:37
  Speaker 4: he felt like he should have been the cocky one,
• 50:40
  Speaker 4: or he should have been the ego, the one with
• 50:43
  Speaker 4: the ego, or whatever the case may be, and and
• 50:46
  Speaker 4: and tolerable and those kind of words and things of
• 50:50
  Speaker 4: that nature. Is it's very interesting. But again, all right,
• 50:56
  Speaker 4: who were kids? Who were kids? You know what I'm saying.
• 50:59
  Speaker 4: But again I never ever had any type of And
• 51:03
  Speaker 4: people who know me, people who around back then, they
• 51:05
  Speaker 4: know I was had no no hatred in terms of
• 51:12
  Speaker 4: somebody else's success. I was happy to be a part
• 51:15
  Speaker 4: of that joint, glad to be a.
• 51:17
  Speaker 3: Part of it.
• 51:17
  Speaker 4: Bless you kidding me. And I worked for it. I
• 51:21
  Speaker 4: didn't just it wasn't handed to me, like I literally
• 51:24
  Speaker 4: had the audition for over the over the year following
• 51:27
  Speaker 4: that I had the audition for the part of the boyfriend.
• 51:30
  Speaker 4: This the that I kept auditioning back to back, over
• 51:33
  Speaker 4: and over and over again for all these other roles,
• 51:35
  Speaker 4: including that one, and then when that one came along,
• 51:37
  Speaker 4: I just happened to. I guess my persistent inconsistency paid
• 51:40
  Speaker 4: off in terms of that. But yeah, yeah not. But
• 51:44
  Speaker 4: then you know, you grow up and you start seeing, Okay,
• 51:47
  Speaker 4: we was kids back then. You know whatever that was.
• 51:49
  Speaker 4: I don't even know what that was, right, You go,
• 51:51
  Speaker 4: what was that? And you see somebody else doing good
• 51:54
  Speaker 4: and you're like, okay, you're a father. Now I'm a father.
• 51:58
  Speaker 4: We all it's yeah, you know what I'm saying, Like
• 52:03
  Speaker 4: it to me, it's kids stuff, right, whatever happens. Like
• 52:06
  Speaker 4: then that's why I say when I do interviews or
• 52:08
  Speaker 4: talk about things, it's like, why are we talking about
• 52:10
  Speaker 4: something that happens? If you know, coworkers and brothers, brothers fight,
• 52:15
  Speaker 4: family fights, they don't get along, and it you've got
• 52:17
  Speaker 4: family members who never speak to each other again because
• 52:19
  Speaker 4: they're nigga in spades. They can't even come because that
• 52:26
  Speaker 4: nigga still mad about dumb stuff. Man, I don't have
• 52:29
  Speaker 4: time for that. My life, man, I don't I love everybody.
• 52:32
  Speaker 3: I got a couple more questions. But what role taught
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: you the most about yourself is as a man? Mhm
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: our role, our environment?
• 52:43
  Speaker 4: What role or environment taught me the most about myself?
• 52:50
  Speaker 4: The role of life m the role of life, brother,
• 52:54
  Speaker 4: the role of life. Every day, there's no because everything
• 52:58
  Speaker 4: I do in terms of those characters, I put my
• 53:01
  Speaker 4: real life into it in some way aspect or another.
• 53:03
  Speaker 4: But life is always the best teacher, you know. Being
• 53:06
  Speaker 4: the role of a father, being the role of a grandfather,
• 53:09
  Speaker 4: being the role of a husband, being the role all
• 53:11
  Speaker 4: these different things. That's that's you know, your family man, right,
• 53:15
  Speaker 4: your family man. You know, There's always gonna be something
• 53:18
  Speaker 4: that humbles you. There's always gonna be something that makes
• 53:22
  Speaker 4: you appreciate what you know, what you have, what you
• 53:27
  Speaker 4: don't have, all of the above, and then you can
• 53:31
  Speaker 4: take those life experiences and throw them into your comedy.
• 53:36
  Speaker 4: You can throw them into a character.
• 53:39
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 53:39
  Speaker 4: H It's easier sometime, like I said earlier, when you're
• 53:44
  Speaker 4: when you're playing a character because even though it's your
• 53:47
  Speaker 4: face is still a mask. It's still like, you know
• 53:49
  Speaker 4: what I'm saying, It's like you're you're really pouring into
• 53:51
  Speaker 4: something else. But when you're on stage, you're not saying, Hey,
• 53:55
  Speaker 4: I'm up here representing Jess hilarious. I'm not Jess. I'm
• 53:58
  Speaker 4: just Jess, right, you know, Yeah.
• 54:02
  Speaker 6: And you're That brings me to Young Dylan because I
• 54:05
  Speaker 6: me and my son watch it together, right, and.
• 54:08
  Speaker 4: So that was my favorite.
• 54:08
  Speaker 3: That's my favorite.
• 54:09
  Speaker 4: That's not my favorite, all.
• 54:10
  Speaker 6: Right, because I wanted to answer the question for you
• 54:13
  Speaker 6: when he asked you that, but it's not my interview.
• 54:15
  Speaker 6: But I was like, I feel like the role of
• 54:18
  Speaker 6: the dad that you play in Young Dylan is more
• 54:20
  Speaker 6: so who you resonate with.
• 54:21
  Speaker 7: Now because you are pop up, you are the father.
• 54:24
  Speaker 6: You're showing that you're also also teaching young Dylan the
• 54:28
  Speaker 6: way of life, you know what I mean, and being
• 54:30
  Speaker 6: his dad.
• 54:30
  Speaker 4: So like I was a perfect role. That was a
• 54:32
  Speaker 4: perfect role at the perfect time. Like it's like I
• 54:36
  Speaker 4: would really didn't have to do no work, you know
• 54:39
  Speaker 4: what I'm saying, and not do that anyway, Like I
• 54:42
  Speaker 4: go around the country speaking to kids, you know, I'm
• 54:44
  Speaker 4: very big on mental health. I'm very big on taking
• 54:48
  Speaker 4: up the torch where Tommy left off in terms of
• 54:51
  Speaker 4: just talking to the youth and trying to get them
• 54:54
  Speaker 4: to understand. Not trying to get to understand, but passing
• 54:57
  Speaker 4: along my knowledge, passing along my game, anything that could
• 55:01
  Speaker 4: help them change their lives. Like I've had other communities,
• 55:04
  Speaker 4: I had people come up to me and say, like
• 55:08
  Speaker 4: Billy Sorells for example, right, He was like, do you
• 55:11
  Speaker 4: know I became a comedian and an actor because of you?
• 55:15
  Speaker 4: I said, what do you mean? He said, you came
• 55:16
  Speaker 4: to my school. I was in the third grade. Wow,
• 55:19
  Speaker 4: he said, and you spoke to me, pulled me aside,
• 55:22
  Speaker 4: and you know what I'm saying, and stuff like that.
• 55:25
  Speaker 4: Stuff like that, or guys in jail talking about they
• 55:29
  Speaker 4: were able to get through it. You know what I'm saying.
• 55:31
  Speaker 4: Somebody was like, I was gonna kill myself, but then
• 55:34
  Speaker 4: I started watching It's like, so that tells me that
• 55:38
  Speaker 4: I'm on the right path that God has, like I said,
• 55:42
  Speaker 4: blessed me giving me a craft that ties into my purpose,
• 55:45
  Speaker 4: which is about changing lives. Laughter is healing, right, And
• 55:50
  Speaker 4: if I can use this platform or any other platform
• 55:52
  Speaker 4: to heal somebody, to be able to change somebody, make
• 55:56
  Speaker 4: an impact, a positive impact. To me, that's legacy, that's success,
• 56:02
  Speaker 4: to be able to affect people's lives positively. Right, starting
• 56:08
  Speaker 4: with your own core at home, starting with your family,
• 56:13
  Speaker 4: and then then I did my job.
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: You just answered my last question and it's all said
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: and done. How do you want your contribution to the
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: game to be remembered?
• 56:22
  Speaker 4: Said it just that you know, I did my thing,
• 56:25
  Speaker 4: I did my thing thing, and I left a positive
• 56:27
  Speaker 4: impact on the world. And because I said that when
• 56:30
  Speaker 4: I started, when I first started out, the thing that
• 56:34
  Speaker 4: made me want to do this my father, my weird family,
• 56:39
  Speaker 4: My father has had a very positive and no, it's
• 56:43
  Speaker 4: all positive. It's all positive because sometimes when things happen
• 56:47
  Speaker 4: to you, like you said, when you get fired or
• 56:50
  Speaker 4: you get let.
• 56:50
  Speaker 3: Go fired four time.
• 56:53
  Speaker 4: But I'm saying you would just be reindirected, right. I
• 56:57
  Speaker 4: think there was an incident that happened when I was
• 57:00
  Speaker 4: a kid, and this be in my book and in
• 57:03
  Speaker 4: my one man show, so I can't give it to
• 57:05
  Speaker 4: you right here, but something happened and I swore when
• 57:12
  Speaker 4: I was when I was in my bedroom because they
• 57:14
  Speaker 4: were growing up in the projects in Harlem. It was different.
• 57:19
  Speaker 4: It was different, different, And I remember we were doing
• 57:22
  Speaker 4: these reports and they had us looking at the obituaries.
• 57:28
  Speaker 4: Why would you tell a young black man to do
• 57:30
  Speaker 4: a report? Want an obituary? And so I'm looking at
• 57:34
  Speaker 4: this obituary and I'm seeing everything that I see around
• 57:37
  Speaker 4: me in real life, and I'm looking at this obituary
• 57:40
  Speaker 4: and I'm being surrounded by all of this and it's
• 57:44
  Speaker 4: just like at the back of the Daily News, I said,
• 57:47
  Speaker 4: you know what, I want to do something. One day,
• 57:50
  Speaker 4: I said, no, I'm gonna do something. I'm gonna do
• 57:53
  Speaker 4: something that's gone mean something. I'm gonna do something with
• 57:57
  Speaker 4: my life. It's gonna mean something. In my name is
• 58:00
  Speaker 4: gonna stand for something. I'm not gonna be a blurb
• 58:03
  Speaker 4: on the back of the Daily I'm not. I'm gonna
• 58:07
  Speaker 4: make a difference and I'm gonna do something and everybody's
• 58:11
  Speaker 4: gonna remember my day.
• 58:13
  Speaker 3: You did that.
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: Absolutely yo, Okay, check it out.
• 58:21
  Speaker 4: Now we're time for that for all the other stuff.
• 58:22
  Speaker 4: Right comedy in Harlem, gotta come see me this week. Comedy.
• 58:28
  Speaker 4: I'm this is a New York takeover. I know we did,
• 58:30
  Speaker 4: you know we had the most somber interview I've ever
• 58:32
  Speaker 4: had in my life. Comedy in Harlem. You know that's
• 58:36
  Speaker 4: going down Friday. It's a New York takeover comedy and
• 58:39
  Speaker 4: Harlem on Friday. Te Breezy T Breezy Entertainment. Where we
• 58:43
  Speaker 4: at Saturday Saturday? The fourteen keep saying Friday, Saturday, No, no, no.
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: No, no Friday.
• 58:47
  Speaker 4: I'm in Comedy Hall Saturday Saturday. Where were at Jersey
• 58:53
  Speaker 4: Love Yeah, Jersey Comedy Show.
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: We got to Ray Rudy Delay. We got a whole bunch,
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying.
• 59:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah, And I'm the surprise surprise over.
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm the guest host. I'm the guest host.
• 59:08
  Speaker 4: For the for the weekend there and then Sunday. Yo,
• 59:13
  Speaker 4: I'm starting to do these things around. First of I'm
• 59:14
  Speaker 4: getting ready on tour, so everybody go to go to
• 59:16
  Speaker 4: my page. I'm gonna give it to y'all to so
• 59:18
  Speaker 4: you can see because I'm get ready to do my
• 59:19
  Speaker 4: one man show and it's coming to Broadway. Wow wow.
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 59:23
  Speaker 4: Because I love John, I love Whoopy Goldberg like I
• 59:26
  Speaker 4: love to where I can put my acting skills with
• 59:29
  Speaker 4: the comedy. But take you on this whole journey, you
• 59:32
  Speaker 4: know with this says I love that.
• 59:34
  Speaker 3: Nobody did that. I haven't seen one Sin's Tyson Tyson did.
• 59:38
  Speaker 4: That's That's what I'm doing. So just understand what's about
• 59:42
  Speaker 4: to happen. Your boys about to take it there. Understand
• 59:44
  Speaker 4: what's gonna happen there. So yeah, I'm gonna give you
• 59:48
  Speaker 4: all the dates for being on tour. But I'm also
• 59:50
  Speaker 4: starting this other Uh, everybody started doing these little bingo joints.
• 59:53
  Speaker 4: You've been doing the little bingo thing.
• 59:54
  Speaker 3: I've been seeing them a lot more. Yeah.
• 59:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm doing one on Sunday. I'm doing a bingo
• 59:59
  Speaker 4: brunch Martin Trivia Bingo Brunch on Sunday in Brooklyn where
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 4: we're at Kirk Captain Kirk one thousand Broadway and doing
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 4: I'm at your spot the mall. American Dream. Yeah, next week, next.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: Week, what you're doing then?
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they ain't call you about that black stuff no more.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna do my rendition of
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 4: the halftime Super Bowl show.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so I'm doing that. Yeah, I'm doing them all.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 4: What's American Dream, American Dream Mom, I'm doing that next
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 4: week the nineteenth.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 6: Well, what I want to say, is I love you
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 6: and I appreciate you because I love you too, Jess.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 6: I grew up watching you, and I never thought that
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 6: I would. You don't think when you watch something else TV,
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 6: you will grow up and meet them one day, right.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 6: And then I grew up watching you, and then you
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 6: came to my show and you watched me and you
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 6: laughed because I'm funny nigga.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 4: So I love you. I appreciate you. But you know
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 4: why I came, and I appreciate you too, you know.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 4: You know why I came because I saw something in you.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 4: I saw something in you like I would see you online,
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 4: and you know, and you know how it is like
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 4: like every everything now is like it's different, different, That's
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 4: all I gotta say. And as I'm studying the game
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 4: and studying people, I'm like, and you know, you're like, Okay,
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 4: who am I gonna team up with one day?
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 4: And and does she have it? Because you see a
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 4: lot of these internet comedians and a lot of casts
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 4: that was just blowing up on the Internet. They couldn't
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 4: hold the hour. They couldn't hold it, you know. And
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 4: I'm not I'm not hating on nobody, So I'm gonna
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 4: go see if you could do it. And I came
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 4: and she delivered and killed and I was like, she
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 4: get busy. That's what I'm talking about. And I think
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 4: it's too. I think too, because you saw it too right,
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 4: You studied it, you you respected the craft, you respected
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 4: the art. I think I saw that in you and
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 4: your your your mad talented, you're mad, funny. Congratulations, You're
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 4: right where you're supposed to be. You're on your way.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 4: You out of here. You real then you have called
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 4: Anthony Payne the second. We appreciate you for joining us.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: I brought you some stuff. What's the website, man? What's
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: the website?
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 4: Man? Where's the website?
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 3: The blackest ever heard of my life? Right there?
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 4: You know, listen, listen, No, it's not yo.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: What's the website calling Anthony Payne?
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 4: Call It's called Anthony Payne Entertainment, called Anthony Paint entertaining,
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 4: called any paint in the same man, T Breezy entertainment,
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 4: Uh Lauren L Russe, Charlamagne, the God South Carolina Boys
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 4: in the building, d J. Yes, sir, brother, white boy
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 4: behind the boards.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: I can't say like I said.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 4: His eyes and I can't I can't see It's like
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 4: he's like that what was that show when the guy
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 4: with the fence. I can't I can't even see you.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 4: I can't even you. Man, come back, my bad sir,
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 4: to my bad sir.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: Hold up every day a week, pack your glass up,
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: the breakfast club.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 4: You finish for y'all. Done.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 3: I