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Episode 1008 - $12k 4x4 Jeep? · Jeep Talk Show

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  On tonight's episode in our news story,
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  sub $15,000 four by four Jeep.
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  I don't know, that
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  sounds kind of hokey to me
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  and what kind of thing would it be?
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  But anyway, in the Jeep Gladiator update,
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  checking your fluids,
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  doesn't matter how new your Jeep is,
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  must have for your Jeep.
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  I know people just rolled their eyes.
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  You always have to
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  change the fluids, Tony.
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  You gotta check them and
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  you gotta do the maintenance.
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  It doesn't matter if it's new or not.
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  So in our must have stuff for your Jeep,
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  this is for Steve-O,
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  an uncracked windshield.
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  Yeah, we love you, Steve, but you know,
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  you went on and on about
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  stickers and windshields
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  and you got a cracked one.
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  Oh, what we'll really
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  be talking about is,
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  and this is interesting, I think,
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  T-slot nuts for Toyota Tacoma bed rails.
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  And you're not cursing your Jeep
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  because they're not
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  technically made by Toyota.
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  They are just stuff
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  that was made for a Toyota.
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  And you can use this on
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  your Mopar trail rails
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  in your Gladiator.
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  - Hi, I'm Bill.
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  And how are we pulling
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  this episode off out at EJS?
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  - It's the miracle of science.
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  - And a time warp.
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  - A time warp.
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  So we're not gonna break into a dance
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  so nobody get excited.
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  All right, is the future
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  of four by fours smaller.
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  So rumors are flying
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  around about Jeep and Toyota
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  developing a compact four by four.
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  And they're throwing these terms around
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  of like real four by four,
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  which I think is interesting
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  because, and don't
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  take this as the renegade
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  because the renegade's on its way out.
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  So this isn't something
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  that they're gonna be doing
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  with a renegade.
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  And God bless you, I love you.
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  You know, you're a jeeper,
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  but if you got a renegade, believe me,
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  it's a mercy killing
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  because that is not a
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  robust four wheel drive.
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  It doesn't have the huge
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  aftermarket behind it either.
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  So I think this is great.
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  But Bill, have you
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  heard anything about this?
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  It was brand new to me
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  when I heard about it
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  just a couple of days ago.
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  And I think this kind of
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  goes along in the same vein
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  as that $10,000 or $12,000 Toyota pickup.
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  You know, the bare bones little pickup
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  that they're coming out
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  with or have come out with?
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  - Yeah, I mean, you know, to me,
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  it looks like you're taking a crossover
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  and then, you know,
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  putting four wheel drive on it
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  and calling it an off-roader, right?
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  So maybe some all-terrain tires,
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  but as long as you have
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  all that plastic fascia crap
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  like hanging down in
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  the front or the rear,
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  you're not gonna be doing
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  any type of real trails, right?
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  That may have some rocks or obstacles.
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  Those are gonna be the first things
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  that are gonna get taken off, right?
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  A real off-roader
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  vehicle is not gonna have that.
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  It's gonna have, you know,
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  steel bumpers or some skids
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  or, you know, they'll be
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  set up to deal with that.
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  So I don't know.
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  There's a segment there, right?
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  A large segment of people
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  that don't hit the trails
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  or take the dirt so that
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  maybe they want the look
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  and the four wheel drive
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  maybe for the snow or whatever.
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  But, you know, for a lot
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  of the type of wheeling
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  that a lot of us do
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  that listen to this show,
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  you know, this is kind of a no-go.
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  - So that's interesting too,
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  because I think we've
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  all given G-PIE marks
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  for the steel bumper that you can get
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  like on the Rubicon and some
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  of the other models of the Jeep.
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  I believe that's true.
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  I don't think it's just the Rubicon.
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  But certainly the plastic bumpers,
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  like what came on my Sport S,
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  that would have been
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  problematic for off-road,
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  like what you're talking about.
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  And this is back to
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  that aftermarket thing.
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  I didn't have to keep it on there.
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  There is a plethora of
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  aftermarket steel heavy duty bumpers
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  that are just real easy to
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  unbolt the one that's on there
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  and bolt on the heavy one too.
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  You might need some
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  help putting it on there,
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  but getting it lined up and stuff.
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  But now you got something that isn't
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  going to bend easily.
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  And that's kind of the
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  problem with any of these things,
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  like the Renegade or any
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  of these vehicles that are,
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  they may be great ideas, but you really
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  can't do much to it.
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  I mean, not unless
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  you're going to break out
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  the plasma cutter and the
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  grinding wheel and the welder
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  and build you something.
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  - Yeah, and so many of these,
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  if you take off that front fascia,
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  because it's all molded into
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  the body, it just looks weird.
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  It looks like you've been
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  in an accident or something.
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  - Right.
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  - And even if you do something,
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  whereas the Jeep, you take off the bumper
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  and it's not integrated together like
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  that for aerodynamics.
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  And so it looks right.
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  It doesn't look goofy.
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  - Yeah, yeah.
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  It looks like it's been
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  engineered for modification.
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  - Right.
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  - And I think that us
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  Jeepers really appreciate that
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  because you don't want to have to rebuild
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  the entire front end of something,
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  simply because you want to
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  put an aftermarket bumper
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  or even build your own,
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  because quite seriously,
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  people do build their own stuff
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  or they'll buy a kit,
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  like I know JCR Off-Road had
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  for many years, maybe
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  still has, a bumper kit.
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  You get all the cut out pieces
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  and then you just have to weld it
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  together and bolt it up.
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  - Yeah, very cool.
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  - So anyway, the Compaq
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  4x4 could be a fully EV,
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  like the new Jeep
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  Avenger, or it could be hybrid,
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  or it could be a hybrid generator.
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  And when I say hybrid generator,
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  I mean where it has an
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  internal combustion engine,
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  but it doesn't make the vehicle go.
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  All it does is charge the batteries.
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  And we've talked about this before.
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  I think that's a lot like what the modern
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  diesel electric trains
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  do, where the diesel runs
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  and it generates electricity
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  and that runs the electric motors.
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  And I'll continue saying this,
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  electric motors are a wonderful idea.
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  Instant power, instant torque,
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  torque that you need to be
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  able to, you need to control,
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  otherwise you're
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  gonna screw some stuff up.
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  There's so much torque
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  and there's wonderful
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  things about doing EVs.
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  But the problem is, in my
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  opinion, is it's the batteries.
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  It doesn't have to be batteries.
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  It could be some sort
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  of reactor or anything
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  that would generate enough electricity
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  to make the vehicle go.
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  We don't have that.
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  And it just makes no
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  sense to me whatsoever
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  why our government and other
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  governments around the world
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  would be pushing this.
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  Well, I mean, except for the green thing
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  that is this big crap fest that,
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  who is the vice president?
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  Gore, the Gore store, the
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  Inconvenient Truth type thing.
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  And I tell you what, the only
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  polar bears I'm concerned about
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  are those cute polar
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  bears that are drinking cokes
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  around Christmas time.
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  So I don't want
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  anything bad to happen to them.
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  (laughs) Anything that hunts me down and eats me,
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  I'm not so concerned about.
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  I know, I know, ugly American.
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  So this new, and
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  there is no absolute word
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  about the cheap four by fours.
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  It's just a rumor.
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  But if it was like a really
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  good actual off-road vehicle,
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  but a compact off-road vehicle,
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  I think it would, well, you
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  remember the Suzuki Samurai,
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  right?
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  That was a cool off-road
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  vehicle, but it was tiny.
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  - Oh yeah.
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  Yeah, I've got, you see
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  them out of hidden falls
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  time to time, but yeah,
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  those things are cool.
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  I lived in Japan, I saw
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  a guy do an engine swap,
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  no hoist, no nothing.
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  He just reached in there
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  and pulled the motor out
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  of that thing and was
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  swapping the engine.
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  It was crazy.
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  (laughs)
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  - And you know, with gearing and stuff,
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  and there's all kinds
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  of things you could do,
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  those are highly
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  modifiable from what I've seen.
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  So I can certainly see
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  that the whole new realm
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  of off-roading could develop from this.
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  And the rumor is, is
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  that both Jeep and Toyota
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  are looking at coming out with these,
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  I'm not gonna call
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  them micros, but you know,
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  like that very small four-wheel drives,
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  but as long as they're designed properly
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  and they go where you want them to go,
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  and you can modify them
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  and have fun with them,
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  I don't see a problem with that.
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  However, I think to get
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  them down to that price,
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  you have to do something much more
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  simplified to vehicle.
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  Like for example,
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  Toyota's new 12K pickup or 10K,
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  depending on who you're
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  asking, has no anti-lock brakes.
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  That's okay, I drove no
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  anti-lock brakes for years
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  when I was a kid and into my adult.
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  No airbags, nope, don't
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  need them, that's nice,
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  but I'm not concerned about it.
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  Oh, and this is the one
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  that I thought was cool.
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  Crank windows, do you know
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  what crank windows are, Bill?
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  I mean, that's, I bet you
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  there's some people out there
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  that don't know what that is.
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  - Absolutely, we
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  bought her her first car.
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  - It got crank windows and she was like,
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  what the heck?
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  But Tony, I just had a thought,
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  Jeep already has a design like this,
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  that's simpler,
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  smaller, bring it back to CJ.
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  - Exactly.
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  - Bring it back,
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  little few modern touches,
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  maybe the power trainer or whatever,
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  but it's kind of like the, what is it,
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  the Mahindra, Roxor or whatever.
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  - I was just gonna go that way.
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  - Like a small four wheel drive,
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  I mean, they're selling
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  that as like a side by side,
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  type vehicle or whatever.
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  I mean, yeah, they already have a design
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  that checks those boxes.
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  - Bring back the Willis,
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  I mean, that's so great.
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  And if you had better battery density,
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  you could actually put
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  batteries in that Willis,
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  but I don't think it
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  has enough surface area
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  to stack enough batteries on it.
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  It looked like a tank
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  with that explosive armor.
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  Oh, yeah, and then with
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  all the lithium ion stuff,
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  it would burst into flames
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  whenever you got hit just right.
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  - How mad would Chuck would be?
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  You have an old, looks like a CJ,
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  but it's like 50% plastic.
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  - Yeah, has a lid on it so you
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  could burp it like Tupperware.
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  Yeah, and it says here, no armrests.
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  I thought that was cool.
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  I've never had a vehicle
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  that didn't have armrests
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  unless I broke something or it fell off,
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  but lots of plastic and rubber,
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  which makes, if it makes complete sense.
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  So the interesting thing here is,
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  that it is apparent
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  that car manufacturers,
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  vehicle manufacturers know
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  how to build a cheap vehicle,
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  but they don't.
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  And for obvious reasons,
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  if they sell a $10,000, $12,000 vehicle,
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  then that person isn't probably gonna buy
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  a 35 to $50,000 one.
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  Or like the new, I don't
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  know if you read here recently,
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  we've been talking
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  about the end of the 392.
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  Well, there came out an
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  article here a few days ago
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  where the 392 is final
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  and is gonna sell for $108,000.
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  - Jesus.
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  - Yeah.
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  - Yeah, now you're getting
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  into building your own 392,
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  that kind of money.
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  - I've made that joke before
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  that if they continue down this road,
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  and I wanna say they,
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  I don't necessarily mean
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  the auto manufacturers,
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  but the government, our
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  government keeps pushing it
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  like they are with regulations and stuff.
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  I was thinking of like a kit plane,
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  how you can do a lot of things
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  that aren't acceptable
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  normally for commercial stuff,
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  but if you get a kit plane
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  and it's an experimental,
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  you can still fly it.
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  You can take passengers,
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  it has to be checked out by
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  somebody in the FAA, I believe.
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  But I could see a
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  time during our lifetimes
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  where it's like, well, I
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  can't buy a Jeep anymore.
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  It may say Jeep on
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  it, but it's not a Jeep.
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  It's not what we know as a Jeep.
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  And then we start looking for somebody
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  that is selling a kit
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  so we can build our own.
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  And really the only difficulty is,
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  I mean, people can do
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  that now with a tube chassis
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  and put a shell over the
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  top of the tube chassis.
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  And drive the thing, the
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  problem we have now is,
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  how do you get it street legal?
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  Which I'm sure is possible to do,
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  but simplifying that process.
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  And then having that V8,
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  having any V8 that you want in there,
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  or if you wanna put an
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  electrical power plant in there,
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  putting that in there.
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  So I bet you this is the
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  direction this is gonna go
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  if the government keeps getting involved
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  by dictating what we can and can't do.
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  - Yeah, it's a constant battle, right?
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  That's where we have SEMA and
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  these other groups out there
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  helping to fight a lot of that.
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  - So I see the signs that
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  automakers are looking for ways
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  to make the cost of
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  new vehicles much less,
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  which on the surface is good.
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  I just don't know how it's gonna wind up.
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  I don't wanna be some European in France
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  driving a clown car with a big windup
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  tool on the back of it,
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  and rubber bands.
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  And if I see another ad for an engine
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  that runs on compressed air,
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  I'm on puke.
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  You can't get enough
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  compressed air in there, people.
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  Gee whiz.
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  Anyway, that's that.
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  We'll see how it goes,
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  but it's interesting.
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  I certainly think it would
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  be a lot of fun to see them.
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  We could get into Jeep
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  tipping instead of cow tipping.
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  - There you go.
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  - Smart cars.
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  I remember when we were
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  doing that with smart cars.
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  - Flip it over and the 18 occupants that
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  are stuffed in there.
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  - It's the shoes.
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  Why would you wear big
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  shoes in a clown car?
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  - Are you ready?
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  It's time for the Jeep Talk Show
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  - All right, Bill, have
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  you had any experience
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  with diesel engines, any
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  vehicles, tractors, anything?
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  - I have not.
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  I've wanted to kind of
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  dip my toe in the water,
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  but looking at what they've
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  done with these modern day
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  diesels and it just looks
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  like it's way more trouble
• 1:14:38
  than it's worth these days.
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  It's almost like you'd have
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  to go back to an older diesel
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  before they kind of screwed them all up.
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  - Yeah, and I think I remember hearing,
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  because I'm not deep the
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  end of the diesel lore,
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  but I think I remember even seeing
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  that some modern day
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  Cummings diesel engines,
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  which is like the
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  engine, the diesel engine
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  that you can depend on,
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  that the modern day Cummings engines
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  are having issues as well.
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  It's probably that death
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  fluid they have to put into it.
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  - Yeah.
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  - So the Jeep
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  EcoDiesel V6 is having issues.
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  I don't know if you
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  heard anything about this.
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  It really is not in my realm,
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  because I don't have a diesel,
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  but apparently the
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  Jeep's EcoDiesel engine
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  has a bad reputation.
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  And in a recent tear down video,
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  a guy named Eric from Dukars
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  found that the last
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  generation of the Jeep Grand Cherokee
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  and versions of the Ram 1500,
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  they were well known
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  for failing prematurely.
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  I hate anything, any word
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  attached with prematurely.
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  It's just not a good situation.
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  So, and with tough, hard to find parts,
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  and lots of extremely tight packaging.
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  And I'm assuming the
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  tight packaging doesn't mean
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  it's hard to get the
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  parts out of the packaging,
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  but all the parts inside
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  the engine are very tight,
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  which could make it
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  very difficult to work on.
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  And especially if
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  tolerances are very tight.
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  And I don't know, but not
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  knowing a lot about diesels,
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  tight tolerances and diesel
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  just doesn't seem to go together to me.
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  I think of a big sloppy
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  engine that doesn't do
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  a lot of horsepower,
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  but does a lot of torque.
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  - Well, isn't that
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  motor like an Italian design
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  or something, but I
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  recall I was looking at it
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  back in kind of the Ram 1500 days,
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  and I'm glad I didn't go there,
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  but I was looking at
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  it and start looking at
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  just the cost of maintenance and just
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  even the filters alone
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  and all that, like
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  you're doing an oil change.
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  It's very pricey on there.
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  So, between that and just
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  all the added complexity
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  and the depth fluid and
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  all those other stuff.
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  - Oh, and the price of fuel.
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  I mean, I remember a long
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  time diesel was cheaper than gas.
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  Of course, people are
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  saying, God, 20 years ago,
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  it probably was, but
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  yeah, there was always diesel
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  was always cheaper.
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  But in this, as I mentioned previously,
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  Eric from Dukars did a
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  tear down of GP Cadetil V6.
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  And he first found
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  after taking the head off,
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  he found that the
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  pistons had valve damage
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  where the piston had
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  slapped into the valves.
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  The bearings had
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  disintegrated, leading to a rod cap
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  detaching from the rod.
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  Think to me, I think
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  that's a critical piece.
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  - So he says that the, or
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  they say that the rod cap
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  bounced around in the
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  crankcase before wedging itself
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  between the crankshaft and
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  the block seizing the motor.
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  Oh, you know what that
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  noise was horrible to hear.
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  - Yeah, that's what I was thinking.
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  I was like, yeah,
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  imagine what that sounded like
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  going down the road.
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  - Well, that's not good.
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  That didn't sound good at all.
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  - Yeah, that's when parts
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  start coming out the side
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  of your motor.
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  - Yeah, so there was an online buddy
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  that got a Gladiator, 2021 Gladiator,
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  just about, I don't
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  know, a couple of months
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  before I got mine.
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  And he went with a diesel.
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  And I initially was thinking, wow,
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  it really would be cool to have the
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  diesel have that torque.
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  And to me, it's just
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  kind of like a neat idea.
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  You hear a lot about
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  diesels, especially like the VWs,
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  where they would get 50 miles to the
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  gallon on these diesel.
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  I mean, they weren't huge vehicles.
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  But still getting 50
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  miles to a gallon on diesel,
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  you can pay a little extra for the fuel
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  when you're doing that.
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  - Yeah, I mean, the cost
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  per mile is very good, right?
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  - I saw that the other day,
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  there was some vehicle I was looking at
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  and they were talking about the,
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  I think it was the 392 story that I did.
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  And they were talking about getting 13
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  miles to the gallon,
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  which is what I get in my 3.6.
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  Yeah, I don't know.
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  You know, when they
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  put something on paper,
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  it's not always true.
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  But anyway, they did
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  the calculation to it,
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  which was about 33 cents a mile.
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  And I'm like, holy
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  crap, I don't like the idea
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  of knowing how much it
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  costs me to drive every mile.
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  I mean, I know it doesn't
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  matter if you know it or not,
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  but it just kind of bugs me.
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  I just drove a mile, was
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  that 33 cents worth it?
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  - Yeah, yeah.
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  Oh, trust me, I know.
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  I could tell the
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  difference when I'm commuting
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  with the four door or the two door.
• 1:19:39
  - Well, do you ever try to baby it
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  and see if you get more out of it?
• 1:19:43
  I mean, I know that's not fun, but.
• 1:19:45
  - Actually the fuel economy is not bad.
• 1:19:48
  I mean, I'll get 14,
• 1:19:49
  15 commuting with it,
• 1:19:51
  but you gotta run premium fuel.
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  - Oh, I forgot about
• 1:19:54
  that. - On their regular.
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  - Yeah, I would not like that.
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  - So between that and then the four door,
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  I can get 18, 19, 20 on there.
• 1:20:03
  So between the improved
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  MPG and the cheaper gas,
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  it just, it's a
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  smaller hit on my pocketbook.
• 1:20:11
  - Sure, sure.
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  And it's fun.
• 1:20:14
  So we've gone down this road before.
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  I was gonna ask you more questions.
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  I just think it's cool that
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  you have two modern day Jeeps
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  and one's a two door
• 1:20:22
  and one's a four door,
• 1:20:24
  and you can compare the two.
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  And especially with the V6 versus the V8.
• 1:20:30
  I just think that'd be fun.
• 1:20:33
  It's something that a lot
• 1:20:33
  of people don't get to do,
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  don't get to experience.
• 1:20:38
  It's unusual for most
• 1:20:41
  people to have two Jeeps
• 1:20:43
  and two different power
• 1:20:44
  plants and two different sizes
• 1:20:46
  and get this contrast, the differences.
• 1:20:48
  - Oh, two of the same vehicle, right?
• 1:20:50
  - Yeah. - Two Jeeps,
• 1:20:51
  two different flavors of it.
• 1:20:54
  And it's just, I'm not gonna
• 1:20:55
  say night and day difference,
• 1:20:56
  but there are definitely
• 1:20:58
  noticeable differences.
• 1:20:59
  So yeah, it's fun.
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  - Does your wife ever
• 1:21:02
  drive one of the Wranglers
• 1:21:04
  or does she just drive the Wagoneer?
• 1:21:06
  - She never has.
• 1:21:07
  You know, and I was
• 1:21:08
  taking her Wagoneer to,
• 1:21:12
  so I took her Wagoneer, I
• 1:21:14
  brought it out here to Moab.
• 1:21:15
  - Oh, thank you.
• 1:21:17
  Break that fourth wall.
• 1:21:19
  - Yeah, so yeah, it
• 1:21:20
  drove great, you know?
• 1:21:22
  But it was funny because I
• 1:21:25
  was leaving the four door here
• 1:21:26
  and that's the only vehicle left.
• 1:21:27
  And she's like, I'm
• 1:21:28
  not driving that thing.
• 1:21:29
  So we rented her a bar for the--
• 1:21:33
  - I'm kind of proud
• 1:21:34
  though when it's like,
• 1:21:35
  oh, I'm not driving that beast.
• 1:21:36
  Yes, it's a beast.
• 1:21:37
  I tame that beast.
• 1:21:39
  - I think she realized,
• 1:21:41
  you know, I'll tell her like,
• 1:21:42
  look, if something
• 1:21:43
  happens, it happens, right?
• 1:21:45
  Like, I don't care.
• 1:21:46
  I care, but I don't care.
• 1:21:47
  But she's like, no, I
• 1:21:48
  know you, I know better.
• 1:21:50
  Like, I'm not even gonna--
• 1:21:51
  - Oh, you're not the only one, huh?
• 1:21:52
  My wife is in the same boat.
• 1:21:54
  She just doesn't
• 1:21:55
  wanna mess with my stuff.
• 1:21:57
  I tell her it's a good
• 1:21:58
  thing because, you know,
• 1:21:59
  the three families I've
• 1:22:01
  killed before this one,
• 1:22:02
  it's a smart thing to do
• 1:22:04
  because, oh, I know, I know,
• 1:22:06
  but I just don't wanna upset you.
• 1:22:07
  Well, the worst case is
• 1:22:09
  I'm gonna make a face.
• 1:22:10
  I mean, come on.
• 1:22:11
  - Yeah, you'll get another one, right?
• 1:22:14
  - Yeah, the families are
• 1:22:16
  certainly more important.
• 1:22:17
  You know, we do love our Jeeps though.
• 1:22:18
  And especially after you put a lot of,
• 1:22:20
  not only are you putting
• 1:22:21
  money into it by paying for it,
• 1:22:23
  paying the bank back,
• 1:22:24
  but also to the effort,
• 1:22:25
  the time and effort that you go through
• 1:22:27
  putting stuff on it.
• 1:22:29
  I mean, it's fun buying the stuff.
• 1:22:32
  It's more difficult putting it on,
• 1:22:34
  especially when things don't work like
• 1:22:35
  they're supposed to.
• 1:22:36
  You know, when you're
• 1:22:36
  trying to get that bolt in there
• 1:22:38
  and the hole won't line up
• 1:22:39
  and it's like, son of a bitch.
• 1:22:42
  I dropped the nuts a few
• 1:22:43
  times on those skid plates.
• 1:22:45
  And then you gotta figure out,
• 1:22:46
  because there's no room
• 1:22:47
  to get your hand in there.
• 1:22:48
  Now you gotta figure out, you know,
• 1:22:49
  get the little screwdriver
• 1:22:50
  and push it over to a slot.
• 1:22:52
  And you know, it's just, everybody knows
• 1:22:55
  that has done mechanical work,
• 1:22:57
  that you know it should just
• 1:22:59
  go this fast and it never does.
• 1:23:02
  - Well, you gotta make sure
• 1:23:03
  you have that little extender
• 1:23:04
  tool with the magnet on it.
• 1:23:05
  - Exactly.
• 1:23:06
  - I'm always dropping shit.
• 1:23:07
  - And the other thing
• 1:23:08
  you have to do is find it.
• 1:23:09
  You don't have to find yours,
• 1:23:10
  because you always put stuff back.
• 1:23:12
  I just, I get tired, I get really tired,
• 1:23:14
  and I just dump it in
• 1:23:15
  a spot when I'm done.
• 1:23:17
  The Jeeps fixed or added to or whatever.
• 1:23:20
  And I gotta go take a shower
• 1:23:22
  and sit down for a little while.
• 1:23:24
  - Yeah.
• 1:23:25
  - So anyway, I've never had a vehicle
• 1:23:28
  with a diesel engine,
• 1:23:29
  but I've heard a lot of good things
• 1:23:30
  about them over the years.
• 1:23:32
  Certainly in the transportation industry,
• 1:23:35
  there are almost,
• 1:23:35
  they are almost mandatory
• 1:23:37
  for max towing and longevity.
• 1:23:40
  And I guess that's the problem here.
• 1:23:42
  This, there's no
• 1:23:43
  longevity for this eco-diesel.
• 1:23:46
  And I guess really the
• 1:23:47
  problem there is eco-diesel.
• 1:23:50
  They're trying to make a run clean.
• 1:23:52
  And I think we need to worry
• 1:23:54
  a little bit more about MPG
• 1:23:57
  and making more of that
• 1:23:59
  stuff that Greta hates,
• 1:24:01
  the fuel, whether it be gas or diesel,
• 1:24:05
  making a lot of it, making it cheaper
• 1:24:07
  and getting shit done.
• 1:24:08
  Not worried about is the,
• 1:24:12
  are we gonna kill the polar bears
• 1:24:13
  or is global warming gonna happen?
• 1:24:16
  I can tell you what,
• 1:24:18
  climate change is real.
• 1:24:20
  Humans being the cause
• 1:24:23
  of it, I don't believe.
• 1:24:25
  The sun has a lot more
• 1:24:27
  to do with our climate
• 1:24:29
  than we ever will.
• 1:24:31
  Well, I won't say ever.
• 1:24:32
  There's a possibility if
• 1:24:33
  we dropped enough nukes,
• 1:24:34
  we could probably change the weather.
• 1:24:35
  - Well, there's a lot of other
• 1:24:37
  opportunities out there.
• 1:24:39
  If you really wanna make a
• 1:24:40
  difference in saving fuel,
• 1:24:42
  here's an idea.
• 1:24:44
  Like when I'm at two
• 1:24:45
  o'clock in the morning,
• 1:24:45
  when I'm sitting at a red light
• 1:24:47
  and there's no cars coming the other way,
• 1:24:49
  you make the damn lights smart enough
• 1:24:51
  or make them flash yellow or something.
• 1:24:53
  - Yeah, yeah.
• 1:24:53
  - Or one direct, simple things like that.
• 1:24:56
  You know how much gas you could save
• 1:24:57
  if you were to take the traffic lights
• 1:24:59
  and sit there and use
• 1:25:00
  AI or make that smart
• 1:25:02
  so that you were optimizing traffic load?
• 1:25:05
  That's probably way
• 1:25:06
  more than you're getting
• 1:25:08
  out of just upping cafe standards.
• 1:25:12
  10th of a mile by 10th of a mile.
• 1:25:14
  Little things like that that you could do
• 1:25:17
  to really go solve
• 1:25:17
  and tackle that problem.
• 1:25:19
  - You know, I saw a
• 1:25:20
  drawing of an intersection
• 1:25:23
  where you didn't have to
• 1:25:24
  stop for lights or anything
• 1:25:26
  that made a roundabout look simple.
• 1:25:30
  But you literally didn't have to stop.
• 1:25:33
  The vehicles could drive constantly.
• 1:25:37
  I think you added, it's like
• 1:25:38
  kind of like the intestines.
• 1:25:39
  You added the five miles to the
• 1:25:42
  intersection or something.
• 1:25:44
  But it was a neat idea and
• 1:25:45
  it went right back to that
• 1:25:46
  why would you stop?
• 1:25:48
  Because every time,
• 1:25:49
  it's not only just stopping
• 1:25:50
  in the gas that you're using at idle,
• 1:25:52
  it's the changing, it's the slowing down.
• 1:25:55
  It's the reacceleration because those
• 1:25:57
  things cost fuel as well.
• 1:26:00
  - Tire wear, heat generated by brakes,
• 1:26:03
  like all that stuff.
• 1:26:04
  - Yeah, exactly.
• 1:26:06
  But with computing technology and the
• 1:26:08
  sensors that we have
• 1:26:09
  that are really
• 1:26:10
  inexpensive and very good,
• 1:26:13
  and of course the
• 1:26:13
  upcoming AI, you're right.
• 1:26:15
  There's absolutely no
• 1:26:15
  reason why they couldn't put
• 1:26:18
  something in for
• 1:26:18
  probably less than 20 bucks.
• 1:26:21
  And you could
• 1:26:23
  estimate your traveling speed
• 1:26:25
  and make sure that that light was green
• 1:26:26
  and plenty of time for you to cruise
• 1:26:28
  right on through it.
• 1:26:30
  And maybe we'll see that someday.
• 1:26:33
  But yeah, I mean, there's
• 1:26:34
  lots of things that you could do.
• 1:26:35
  I remember way back when,
• 1:26:37
  because I'm old enough for this,
• 1:26:39
  where Nixon, President Nixon,
• 1:26:41
  dropped all the speed limits
• 1:26:43
  to 55 miles an hour.
• 1:26:45
  I think I remember this right.
• 1:26:47
  And I remember my mom wrote a letter,
• 1:26:51
  I think, or she threatened to,
• 1:26:53
  because they changed the,
• 1:26:57
  they put something, Texas,
• 1:26:59
  put something in place that
• 1:27:01
  basically we had to get off
• 1:27:04
  of like the highway of
• 1:27:05
  I-10 a couple of miles sooner
• 1:27:08
  instead of just driving
• 1:27:09
  to our street and turning.
• 1:27:12
  And if you went too far,
• 1:27:15
  like if you were going someplace
• 1:27:17
  that required you to go just
• 1:27:19
  a half a mile down the road,
• 1:27:21
  you had to go down
• 1:27:22
  another mile, turn around,
• 1:27:24
  go back another two
• 1:27:25
  miles, and then turn around
• 1:27:27
  and come back another mile.
• 1:27:28
  And he's like, "Hey,
• 1:27:29
  you're trying to save gas
• 1:27:30
  by turning everything
• 1:27:31
  back to 55 miles an hour.
• 1:27:33
  What the hell about this?"
• 1:27:34
  So, I mean, I understand
• 1:27:36
  those things are gonna happen.
• 1:27:37
  But yeah, there's just,
• 1:27:39
  sometimes people do things
• 1:27:40
  for the strangest reasons
• 1:27:41
  and they don't make sense.
• 1:27:44
  - Yeah.
• 1:27:46
  - Gladiator.
• 1:27:48
  - My name is Gladiator.
• 1:27:51
  - Gladiators.
• 1:27:52
  - Are you not entertained?
• 1:27:54
  Are you not entertained?
• 1:27:56
  - So I don't know if
• 1:27:57
  I told you about this
• 1:27:58
  or you heard me
• 1:27:59
  bitching about it on the GMRS
• 1:28:00
  or something last year at EJS.
• 1:28:03
  I was out on-
• 1:28:04
  - Is that Roger?
• 1:28:05
  - I was out on the trail.
• 1:28:08
  I don't remember where we were.
• 1:28:09
  I don't remember if I was with you guys
• 1:28:11
  or if I was on a
• 1:28:13
  metal masher at the time,
• 1:28:14
  but I heard a whining
• 1:28:16
  noise coming from my Gladiator.
• 1:28:19
  And keep in mind, I think the Gladiator
• 1:28:20
  had like 8,000 miles
• 1:28:22
  on it or something at the time.
• 1:28:24
  And I heard this whining noise,
• 1:28:25
  and I got a little
• 1:28:26
  concerned for the transmission.
• 1:28:28
  And then you go back in time in your head
• 1:28:30
  and you go, "No, that's
• 1:28:32
  a power steering whine."
• 1:28:33
  And then you turn the
• 1:28:34
  steering wheel and the whine changes
• 1:28:35
  and now you know it's power steering.
• 1:28:38
  And I'm thinking- - I
• 1:28:39
  don't remember that.
• 1:28:39
  - Okay, good.
• 1:28:40
  And then I'm thinking to myself,
• 1:28:41
  "Well, first off,
• 1:28:43
  where am I gonna get
• 1:28:43
  power steering fluid?
• 1:28:44
  And is it a special kind
• 1:28:45
  of power steering fluid?
• 1:28:46
  This damn vehicle's 25 years young,
• 1:28:49
  newer than the one
• 1:28:50
  that I've been driving."
• 1:28:52
  So I was really happy to find it was
• 1:28:55
  this regular power steering fluid.
• 1:28:56
  Don't quote me on that.
• 1:28:57
  But when I checked it at O'Reilly's,
• 1:28:59
  and I was glad to find an
• 1:29:00
  O'Reilly's there in Moab
• 1:29:01
  because it was something
• 1:29:03
  that's a place I was familiar with.
• 1:29:06
  So anyway, I went over there, got some
• 1:29:07
  power steering fluid
• 1:29:08
  and topped it off and it was quite low.
• 1:29:11
  And to this day, I
• 1:29:12
  don't know why it was low
• 1:29:14
  unless it was a little
• 1:29:15
  low and it got really hot.
• 1:29:17
  The little power
• 1:29:19
  steering pump unit got hot
• 1:29:21
  because I was doing a lot of turning.
• 1:29:23
  And also too, I'm sure it
• 1:29:25
  was putting more strain on it
• 1:29:27
  because the 35s were pushing against rock
• 1:29:30
  and of course we were
• 1:29:30
  driving on sandpaper anyway.
• 1:29:33
  But I have to admit, I
• 1:29:35
  didn't check any of the fluids
• 1:29:36
  for a headed out 700 miles
• 1:29:38
  or whatever it is to Moab.
• 1:29:40
  But I kind of figured with so
• 1:29:43
  few miles, it should be fine.
• 1:29:46
  - Yeah, maybe it was just always low,
• 1:29:49
  although, and you haven't seen like fluid
• 1:29:53
  or any had any
• 1:29:54
  problems since then, right?
• 1:29:56
  Yeah, so I had an
• 1:29:57
  F-150 that I kept getting
• 1:29:59
  like low brake fluid, right?
• 1:30:01
  Sometimes it pads wear and
• 1:30:02
  you go add a little more fluid
• 1:30:05
  but this was like obsessive, right?
• 1:30:07
  And so I add a little more fluid
• 1:30:09
  to get the brake light to go off.
• 1:30:10
  And I checked all the calipers, all the
• 1:30:13
  lines, like no leaks.
• 1:30:14
  - Yeah, you look on the
• 1:30:15
  ground, you don't see anything.
• 1:30:16
  And that's it on the back of the tires.
• 1:30:18
  - Yeah, there's no signs and
• 1:30:20
  you just keep adding fluid.
• 1:30:22
  And I'm like, okay,
• 1:30:23
  something's wrong here
• 1:30:24
  but it's not obvious.
• 1:30:26
  And it turned out, so
• 1:30:27
  eventually I took it in
• 1:30:28
  because I'm like, this is really weird.
• 1:30:31
  I guess there's a seal
• 1:30:32
  inside the brake booster
• 1:30:33
  and all the fluid was filling up that
• 1:30:34
  giant brake booster.
• 1:30:36
  So when they opened it up,
• 1:30:37
  that brake booster was just
• 1:30:39
  full of brake fluid on there.
• 1:30:42
  And I was like, what?
• 1:30:43
  - I would not have
• 1:30:43
  expected that, that's wild.
• 1:30:45
  - Yeah, yeah, it was crazy.
• 1:30:47
  But I feel sorry for the
• 1:30:49
  poor guy that pulled it out
• 1:30:50
  because it was probably
• 1:30:50
  like three full bottles
• 1:30:51
  of brake fluid in there
• 1:30:53
  before I was able to get it in.
• 1:30:55
  - It's like a squirrel storing nuts.
• 1:30:57
  - This is new and brake fluid.
• 1:31:00
  Oh man, well, that's good.
• 1:31:01
  So they just replaced the
• 1:31:03
  entire unit then, right?
• 1:31:05
  And I would hope so
• 1:31:06
  instead of just the seal.
• 1:31:07
  So it probably was just
• 1:31:08
  either it was installed
• 1:31:11
  not perfectly and damaged the seal
• 1:31:12
  or it was just a bad unit
• 1:31:14
  from wherever they get it from.
• 1:31:16
  - From what I've heard, what they told me
• 1:31:18
  is it's not uncommon on those F-150s,
• 1:31:21
  like the early 2000s.
• 1:31:23
  - That's a shame.
• 1:31:24
  I've always liked Ford F-150s.
• 1:31:27
  In the past anyway,
• 1:31:29
  they've always been really good vehicles.
• 1:31:31
  - Oh, I hated my F-150.
• 1:31:34
  It had that stupid five four in there
• 1:31:36
  with the $800 spark plugs
• 1:31:38
  that like break off in the bar.
• 1:31:41
  Yeah, it was just ridiculous.
• 1:31:43
  I just hated it.
• 1:31:44
  And I think one day there was a,
• 1:31:46
  I was driving to work and I
• 1:31:47
  was hearing water sloshing
• 1:31:48
  around so I popped them at the door seals
• 1:31:50
  and there was water inside the cab.
• 1:31:51
  - I've heard about that.
• 1:31:53
  More than just the Fords though.
• 1:31:56
  - Yeah, so there's like some clips
• 1:31:57
  that they put in on the firewall
• 1:32:00
  that holds the windshield
• 1:32:02
  when they're doing the
• 1:32:03
  manufacturing process.
• 1:32:05
  Well, the seal on it that
• 1:32:06
  basically eventually rots out
• 1:32:07
  and all the water
• 1:32:08
  coming down the windshield
• 1:32:10
  finds a way into the firewall there
• 1:32:12
  and you're watering your vehicle.
• 1:32:13
  And I was so mad.
• 1:32:14
  I drove that thing to the dealership
• 1:32:16
  and traded it in like
• 1:32:17
  right then and there.
• 1:32:18
  And I had like a full
• 1:32:19
  load of like mulch in the bed
• 1:32:21
  and the guy's like, what do
• 1:32:22
  you want me to do with this?
• 1:32:23
  I'm like, I don't know,
• 1:32:24
  go spread it around
• 1:32:25
  the bushes or whatever
• 1:32:26
  at the dealership here.
• 1:32:28
  - Oh, that's hilarious.
• 1:32:29
  Yeah, that's like you had enough.
• 1:32:32
  Yeah.
• 1:32:32
  - I'm done.
• 1:32:33
  I was like, just give me another truck.
• 1:32:36
  Like I'm out of here.
• 1:32:37
  - Do you remember what
• 1:32:38
  year that Ford that was?
• 1:32:40
  - I think it was a 05 at 150.
• 1:32:43
  - So the last one I had was a 92
• 1:32:46
  and it was a club cab.
• 1:32:49
  Yeah, it was not a crew cab, a club cab.
• 1:32:51
  And it was a fun truck.
• 1:32:52
  And I still remember taking that in
• 1:32:55
  and then driving the XJ away.
• 1:32:57
  And it was so funny.
• 1:32:59
  You know, we were
• 1:32:59
  talking about small vehicles
• 1:33:01
  and it was so weird to be
• 1:33:03
  able to reach over there
• 1:33:04
  and touch the door on the passenger side.
• 1:33:07
  And you weren't doing that
• 1:33:08
  without laying down in that truck.
• 1:33:10
  - Yeah, yeah, big console.
• 1:33:13
  - Yeah, yeah, it was, I love trucks.
• 1:33:15
  Yeah, so I'd still like to have,
• 1:33:17
  I can't remember if
• 1:33:18
  it's the Ford 9500, 7500,
• 1:33:21
  something like that.
• 1:33:22
  - Yeah, it's a big diesel looking thing.
• 1:33:24
  I would love to have that.
• 1:33:26
  I don't know how I would be able to,
• 1:33:27
  I'd be able to tow anything with it,
• 1:33:28
  but I don't know how I'd be
• 1:33:29
  able to get the Jeep or Jeeps
• 1:33:33
  on some sort of trailer or something.
• 1:33:35
  I guess it would be like Chuck
• 1:33:35
  when he came down to the Jeep top.
• 1:33:39
  - Yeah, flatbed.
• 1:33:40
  - Just put a flatbed on it
• 1:33:41
  and then just drive
• 1:33:42
  your Jeep up on the back
• 1:33:43
  and there you go.
• 1:33:45
  Perfect.
• 1:33:45
  - It'd be fun to
• 1:33:46
  cruise around that thing.
• 1:33:48
  People would just, there
• 1:33:49
  would be so many people
• 1:33:51
  shaking their fists at me
• 1:33:52
  because I'm burning all their diesel.
• 1:33:55
  - Yeah, even better if
• 1:33:56
  you can get an old tow truck
• 1:33:57
  with the bed that lays
• 1:33:58
  down and it goes to the car.
• 1:34:00
  - I think that would be
• 1:34:01
  the ultimate tow vehicle
• 1:34:04
  would be where you
• 1:34:05
  don't have to do anything
• 1:34:06
  except lower the bed,
• 1:34:07
  drive your Jeep up on it,
• 1:34:08
  tie it down and then go
• 1:34:09
  wherever hell you wanted to go.
• 1:34:11
  - Yeah, absolutely.
• 1:34:12
  - Oh man, this would
• 1:34:14
  be a wonderful thing.
• 1:34:16
  Yeah, it's gonna be interesting.
• 1:34:19
  I haven't seen it yet
• 1:34:20
  since we're at EJS currently,
• 1:34:23
  but it's gonna be interesting seeing you
• 1:34:25
  tow your two door out there.
• 1:34:27
  And of course, I think everybody knows
• 1:34:28
  you made the decision
• 1:34:29
  because you weren't
• 1:34:30
  sure if you were gonna go
• 1:34:30
  with the 392 that you took last year
• 1:34:33
  or the new 2024 two door.
• 1:34:35
  And ultimately you
• 1:34:36
  decided and correct me on this,
• 1:34:38
  you're doing the two door 2024, right?
• 1:34:41
  - Yeah, absolutely.
• 1:34:42
  - Okay, good.
• 1:34:43
  There was a hesitation there.
• 1:34:44
  I was like, ah, he's not sure.
• 1:34:47
  - Well, yesterday I
• 1:34:48
  was driving the four door
• 1:34:51
  and I was like, oh man, this would be fun
• 1:34:53
  to go do some of the harder trails.
• 1:34:56
  But I was like, no, it's all good.
• 1:34:58
  - Well, and then you don't
• 1:34:59
  wanna kick yourself either
• 1:34:59
  for going, well, you know, that was fun.
• 1:35:02
  And but it was like last year
• 1:35:03
  and I could have taken the two door
• 1:35:06
  and had a different kind of fun with it.
• 1:35:07
  So yeah, it'll be a
• 1:35:09
  different kind of fun,
• 1:35:09
  but fun nonetheless.
• 1:35:12
  So anyway, I'll just circle back to this.
• 1:35:14
  There is no excuse
• 1:35:15
  for not checking fluids
• 1:35:17
  and that's something I've got to do
• 1:35:19
  before heading out to EJS.
• 1:35:21
  I'll just tell you, we're recording this
• 1:35:22
  before going to Moab if
• 1:35:23
  you haven't figured it out.
• 1:35:25
  So anyway, I'm gonna
• 1:35:26
  be checking the fluids
• 1:35:28
  on the Gladiator.
• 1:35:30
  The Gladiator has about 18,000,
• 1:35:31
  almost 19,000 miles on it now.
• 1:35:34
  So really haven't had to do much to it
• 1:35:36
  other than just mandatory modifications,
• 1:35:40
  you know, like bumpers and winch
• 1:35:43
  and most recently the skid system.
• 1:35:45
  So I'm really interested to see
• 1:35:47
  what kind of gas mileage I get
• 1:35:49
  after putting that 240
• 1:35:50
  pounds of skids on the Gladiator.
• 1:35:54
  I don't think, I think on highway,
• 1:35:56
  it's not gonna make a big difference.
• 1:35:57
  I think it'll make a big
• 1:35:58
  difference on stop and go,
• 1:36:01
  getting things up to speed.
• 1:36:02
  And I don't think it'd be a lot,
• 1:36:04
  but cause it's just like driving around
• 1:36:06
  with another person,
• 1:36:07
  a good size guy in the Jeep with you.
• 1:36:11
  - Yeah, exactly.
• 1:36:13
  - So anyway, yeah, so don't forget
• 1:36:15
  before you head out really any place,
• 1:36:17
  but especially if you're driving
• 1:36:19
  up to an off-road destination,
• 1:36:21
  and I highly recommend
• 1:36:22
  having the fluids with you.
• 1:36:24
  I have a little box in the
• 1:36:25
  back of the Gladiator right now
• 1:36:27
  that has those fluids.
• 1:36:28
  I need to have a look at them
• 1:36:30
  and to see how much I got in there.
• 1:36:31
  But I think I bought enough
• 1:36:32
  where I should be fine at Moab this year.
• 1:36:35
  But if not, I can
• 1:36:36
  always drive down the road
• 1:36:37
  to O'Reilly's right there in Moab, Utah,
• 1:36:40
  and pick up some more.
• 1:36:42
  - Check your bolts too.
• 1:36:45
  - That's just nuts.
• 1:36:48
  - From the mind of Nicky G.
• 1:36:54
  (crowd cheering)
• 1:36:54
  - Hey, this is Nicky G.
• 1:36:56
  And now that the spring is here,
• 1:37:00
  I'd like to remind
• 1:37:00
  everybody to drive carefully
• 1:37:03
  and be mindful of the young
• 1:37:05
  ones on the side of the street.
• 1:37:08
  I'm not talking about children.
• 1:37:09
  I'm talking about us XJ drivers.
• 1:37:12
  Yeah, we're always on
• 1:37:13
  the side of the road,
• 1:37:14
  either broke down or stuck
• 1:37:15
  in a rut or just playing.
• 1:37:18
  And keep an eye on us
• 1:37:19
  because we like to
• 1:37:20
  dart out in traffic too.
• 1:37:22
  But that's not why I'm calling.
• 1:37:23
  - Getting depressed.
• 1:37:24
  - Calling to tell you that the guy
• 1:37:25
  who invented throat lodges.
• 1:37:28
  Yeah, that's a tough word
• 1:37:29
  to say when you're drunk.
• 1:37:32
  He passed away.
• 1:37:33
  He had a nice funeral.
• 1:37:35
  There was no coughing.
• 1:37:36
  (drum beat)
• 1:37:37
  - I laugh every time I hear that.
• 1:37:40
  All right, boys and girls,
• 1:37:42
  I'll chat at you later
• 1:37:43
  and have a good one bye.
• 1:37:44
  I'm so funny, I even amuse myself.
• 1:37:47
  (upbeat music)
• 1:37:48
  - The embarrassing thing is
• 1:37:50
  when you're telling yourself
• 1:37:51
  jokes in your head in the
• 1:37:52
  public bathroom in the stall
• 1:37:54
  and you start giggling
• 1:37:55
  and there's somebody
• 1:37:56
  else in there with you.
• 1:37:57
  Not in the stall, but in the bathroom.
• 1:37:59
  - Yeah, slow children at play.
• 1:38:02
  (laughing)
• 1:38:04
  - All right, so we're
• 1:38:08
  really excited to announce
• 1:38:09
  our next interview.
• 1:38:10
  Then this was a really fun interview.
• 1:38:12
  It was very interesting.
• 1:38:14
  And as far as I can remember,
• 1:38:16
  it's my first international interview
• 1:38:19
  or interview with an
• 1:38:21
  international company
• 1:38:22
  and an international person.
• 1:38:25
  And it's a Boerian and it was Patrick.
• 1:38:28
  So Patrick with Boerian, Boerian.com.
• 1:38:32
  It talks about them, what they can do,
• 1:38:36
  what they can and can't do in Germany.
• 1:38:37
  Which I figured there
• 1:38:38
  wasn't a lot they could do.
• 1:38:40
  But, and Bill, I think
• 1:38:41
  I told you this already.
• 1:38:42
  They can put 39 inch tires.
• 1:38:45
  They can sell wheels and
• 1:38:47
  put 39 inch tires on them
• 1:38:48
  in Germany and take them on the road.
• 1:38:51
  And there's no special engineering study
• 1:38:55
  or anything that has to
• 1:38:56
  be done like in Australia.
• 1:38:58
  And they sell beadlocks.
• 1:39:02
  Honest to goodness, beadlocks.
• 1:39:04
  So beadlocks on 39s on a Jeep in Germany.
• 1:39:08
  That's not what I would expect.
• 1:39:09
  I mean, you're more traveled than I am,
• 1:39:12
  but it just really surprised me
• 1:39:13
  that they were able to do that.
• 1:39:15
  And I don't mean to be mean, but
• 1:39:16
  especially in Germany.
• 1:39:17
  - Yeah, that scares me.
• 1:39:19
  A Jeep on 39s with
• 1:39:20
  beadlocks going down the Autobahn.
• 1:39:22
  - Autobahn, yes.
• 1:39:24
  (laughing) - Well, you know, Patrick told me,
• 1:39:29
  I think it was before the interview,
• 1:39:30
  Patrick was telling me about his Hemi
• 1:39:33
  that was in one of
• 1:39:34
  either the Gladiator or the,
• 1:39:35
  oh, he has a 392.
• 1:39:37
  So he definitely has a Hemi, the 392,
• 1:39:39
  but he also has a
• 1:39:40
  Gladiator with a Hemi in it.
• 1:39:42
  So I didn't ask him about the Autobahn.
• 1:39:45
  Man, that would have been funny.
• 1:39:46
  I said, that would have been great
• 1:39:47
  YouTube video right there.
• 1:39:49
  Taking the Hemi Gladiator out.
• 1:39:51
  Especially if it had 39 inch tires on it
• 1:39:53
  and seeing, you know,
• 1:39:54
  getting it up to 140.
• 1:39:59
  That's some critical damage you could do
• 1:40:01
  to a lot of things.
• 1:40:03
  - Oh yeah, my brother
• 1:40:04
  bought a car over there
• 1:40:05
  when we lived over there.
• 1:40:06
  And there was like
• 1:40:08
  concrete blocks in the tire well
• 1:40:10
  in the trunk and he
• 1:40:11
  couldn't figure out why
• 1:40:12
  until he took them out.
• 1:40:13
  Took it out on the
• 1:40:14
  Autobahn when there was some rain
• 1:40:15
  and started kind of hydroplaning.
• 1:40:17
  And he proceeded to put the cinder blocks
• 1:40:20
  like back in the trunk.
• 1:40:22
  He's like, okay, now I know.
• 1:40:23
  - Now I know why they're there.
• 1:40:25
  - Weight distribution.
• 1:40:26
  Yeah, keeping that thing
• 1:40:27
  where it's harder to get the,
• 1:40:29
  for the water to get
• 1:40:30
  up, get it up off there.
• 1:40:31
  That's interesting.
• 1:40:35
  So that's an interview you want to hear.
• 1:40:37
  And that's, those
• 1:40:37
  interviews are every Friday.
• 1:40:39
  So, you know, it's a great
• 1:40:41
  entry into the weekend, I think.
• 1:40:46
  All right, for your must
• 1:40:46
  have stuff for your Jeep.
• 1:40:48
  These are T-slot nuts
• 1:40:50
  for a Toyota, Tacoma,
• 1:40:52
  Bayard rail, cleats,
• 1:40:55
  and of course they put on
• 1:40:56
  in all the words for the SEO.
• 1:40:58
  But basically these
• 1:40:59
  are for a Tundra pickup
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  and there's all kinds of
• 1:41:04
  things you can do with this.
• 1:41:05
  So it's a button socket cap screw.
• 1:41:09
  There's a four in this pack.
• 1:41:10
  They're only $12.99.
• 1:41:12
  Now, why in the world would I be talking
• 1:41:14
  about Steve's cracked windshield?
• 1:41:16
  I'm sorry, why in the
• 1:41:17
  world would I be talking
• 1:41:18
  about something for a Toyota?
• 1:41:20
  Well, these fit in the
• 1:41:24
  Mopar Trail Rail system
• 1:41:26
  for the gladiators.
• 1:41:28
  So if you need to
• 1:41:29
  mount something like I did
• 1:41:31
  with my air compressor,
• 1:41:32
  I just had a metal plate
• 1:41:33
  and I used these things
• 1:41:35
  to, I just drilled a hole
• 1:41:36
  for the metal plate and
• 1:41:37
  used a couple or three
• 1:41:38
  of these things to attach
• 1:41:41
  it to the Trail Rail system.
• 1:41:42
  And now, and this is Moab tested
• 1:41:45
  because I had it on there
• 1:41:45
  last year and it works great.
• 1:41:49
  These things are great.
• 1:41:50
  I think it's probably a
• 1:41:50
  little pricey for what it is.
• 1:41:52
  But yeah, I highly recommend these.
• 1:41:54
  I've used them myself.
• 1:41:56
  I've just ordered some more here recently
• 1:41:58
  because I wanted to
• 1:41:59
  make sure I had a few more.
• 1:42:01
  I'm not gonna be able to do it this year,
• 1:42:03
  but I had plans on putting
• 1:42:04
  the two and a half gallon air
• 1:42:06
  tank, VIAIR two and a
• 1:42:07
  half gallon air tank,
• 1:42:08
  add that to my system.
• 1:42:10
  Because sitting there, and I don't know
• 1:42:12
  that it would make a great improvement,
• 1:42:14
  but sitting there trying
• 1:42:15
  to air up the tires from,
• 1:42:17
  gosh, what was it, like 14,
• 1:42:20
  just up to like 29 or something.
• 1:42:22
  So I could go back into
• 1:42:23
  town and eat something.
• 1:42:25
  It takes a long time.
• 1:42:27
  And of course, this
• 1:42:28
  would be a good commercial
• 1:42:30
  for the compressed air
• 1:42:33
  tanks, like the power tank.
• 1:42:34
  Because those things
• 1:42:35
  go really, really quick,
• 1:42:36
  but you have to fill them
• 1:42:37
  up, which kind of sucks.
• 1:42:39
  Yep, so if you go to episode 1008,
• 1:42:43
  we're into four digits now,
• 1:42:45
  you can go to that
• 1:42:47
  episode at cheaptalkshow.com.
• 1:42:49
  And there is a link to Amazon
• 1:42:51
  so that you can purchase these things.
• 1:42:53
  So if you've got a Gladiator
• 1:42:54
  with the Mopar Trail Rail system,
• 1:42:56
  this'll, you'll see a
• 1:42:57
  lot of good uses for this.
• 1:43:04
  You know, it's always a little sad
• 1:43:05
  when we hit the end of the trail,
• 1:43:06
  but there's always another
• 1:43:07
  trail ride just down the road.
• 1:43:09
  This is very similar to the
• 1:43:10
  four episodes a week we have,
• 1:43:13
  because even if you've listened to the
• 1:43:14
  most recent episode,
• 1:43:16
  oh, there's another
• 1:43:16
  episode coming right down to you.
• 1:43:19
  So Tuesday through
• 1:43:19
  Friday, four episodes a week,
• 1:43:21
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• 1:43:23
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• 1:43:30
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• 1:43:31
  on how to subscribe and how to contact us
• 1:43:33
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• 1:43:36
  Bill, thanks a lot for being here.
• 1:43:38
  We're just having loads
• 1:43:39
  of fun at EGS currently.
• 1:43:42
  That's not, I'm not really a soothe
• 1:43:44
  thayer or something.
• 1:43:46
  I can't see forward in time.
• 1:43:47
  I just know it's
• 1:43:48
  gonna, it's gonna be fun.
• 1:43:49
  - Yeah, and Steve-o's here, so.
• 1:43:51
  - Well, and it's still fun.
• 1:43:57
  (laughing) - Broadcasting since 2010.
• 1:44:04
  - Of course, Steve.
• 1:44:07
  Steve says, "Fuck you."
• 1:44:09
  He's saying fuck you
• 1:44:09
  to the show right now.
• 1:44:11
  - So you know those, I had
• 1:44:14
  those stickers made up of like,
• 1:44:16
  Steve in a, it's a blue
• 1:44:17
  Jeep with a Corsair thing on it
• 1:44:19
  and it has Bigfoot striving
• 1:44:21
  and it says, "I wheeled with Steve-o."
• 1:44:23
  - I don't remember seeing that.
• 1:44:25
  I think he told me about that.
• 1:44:26
  I still think you should
• 1:44:27
  have put Jeffrey from Toys R Us.
• 1:44:30
  - You're my friend, you're my new friend.