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ITB: Can John Harbaugh Build A Team In With Giants That Can Rival The Eagles? · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

0:09
Speaker 1: Inside.
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Speaker 2: The Birds is back. What's up, everybody, It's Jeff Mosher
0:15
Speaker 2: Adam Kaplan. What we are doing is looking at all
0:18
Speaker 2: the coaching changes.
0:20
Speaker 1: In the NFC East for the Eagles opponents.
0:22
Speaker 2: We're gonna go through the Giants in this one, and boy,
0:25
Speaker 2: of all the teams, Adam in the NFC East, this
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Speaker 2: is the most radically changed staff. So many different moving parts,
0:32
Speaker 2: so many new coaches and totally new regime. And you
0:35
Speaker 2: can sort of you could definitely shoehorn front office in
0:38
Speaker 2: there because with John Harbaugh in charge, he's not just
0:41
Speaker 2: the head coach, but he's got a lot of power
0:44
Speaker 2: now over the front office as well. And that is
0:46
Speaker 2: the one thing that sticks out to him. I've always
0:48
Speaker 2: felt John, you know, knowing him from when he was
0:50
Speaker 2: here in Philly, Sure you did too. He was always
0:52
Speaker 2: a level headed guy. He was always a guy who
0:55
Speaker 2: I thought was real pragmatic. But you never know how
0:58
Speaker 2: someone's gonna react because he didn't have this Baltimore. You
1:01
Speaker 2: never know how someone is going to handle it when
1:03
Speaker 2: they've got as like, maybe twice as much power as
1:06
Speaker 2: they ever have before. Because even the most level head,
1:09
Speaker 2: even Andy Reid when he had it in Philadelphia didn't
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Speaker 2: always use it the right way, it didn't always handle
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Speaker 2: it well. And now that's going to be John Harbaugh's
1:17
Speaker 2: responsibility in a huge market for a franchise that is
1:20
Speaker 2: just starving to be good again.
1:24
Speaker 3: Yeah, they are. It's a they finally got a competent
1:27
Speaker 3: head coach. Guy's done it. I understand near the end
1:30
Speaker 3: it wasn't great, but you're talking at the staleness and
1:34
Speaker 3: Andy read all that. But Harves is a great coach.
1:38
Speaker 3: I mean, he really is. He's got very good command
1:41
Speaker 3: that he's got, Like I don't know how much he
1:45
Speaker 3: asked for. I know he wanted to. I know he
1:47
Speaker 3: wanted to report to the owner. He wanted the same
1:49
Speaker 3: set up as he had in Baltimore. But what he's got,
1:52
Speaker 3: which he didn't really have in Baltimore's control a lot
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Speaker 3: of it. And also Kevin Abrams is out. Abrams I'm
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Speaker 3: told was going to say he was let go and
2:02
Speaker 3: probably January, And what's happened was he was really the
2:06
Speaker 3: contract negotiator. Donna Ponte came in from the League office
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Speaker 3: who used to be with the Jets many years ago.
2:13
Speaker 3: I think one or two of her kids are actually
2:15
Speaker 3: working in the National Football League, and Donna Ponte is
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Speaker 3: going to now oversee operations and strategy and what what
2:22
Speaker 3: it is is that encompasses a lot it's analytics contracts
2:26
Speaker 3: because she's been involved with contracts and lays on to
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Speaker 3: the league office, which is very important, so definitely important
2:33
Speaker 3: that you can get a like that's what John Ferrari did.
2:35
Speaker 3: That's the beauty of John Ferrari. H were in on
2:38
Speaker 3: that that they were how he was very really I
2:41
Speaker 3: don't want to say innovative, but he was one of
2:43
Speaker 3: the few gms who saw the value of having someone
2:45
Speaker 3: from the league office who's worked there. So yeah, she
2:49
Speaker 3: So Joe Shane now is he's still the GM, but
2:53
Speaker 3: he's lost power and now every big decision has to
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Speaker 3: go through John Mara. That's just that'll never change, right,
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Speaker 3: But her ball now it's a yeah. And Donna Ponte
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Speaker 3: reports to Harball.
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Speaker 2: I believe she might be the highest ranking woman in
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Speaker 2: the NFL. I know that Catherine Rache is an assistant
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Speaker 2: general manager. She came from the Eagles and went to
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Speaker 2: Cleveland with with Andrew Berry.
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Speaker 1: But you're talking about the New York Giants here, not
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Speaker 1: the Cleveland Browns. And reporter to John Harbaugh.
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Speaker 3: So sure, it's a big deal, a big deal, and
3:20
Speaker 3: they most not all, most other coaches are gone on
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Speaker 3: both sides of the football. They did keep Chad Hall,
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Speaker 3: who will My understanding was there he was it was
3:28
Speaker 3: either he was either gonna be the quarterbacks coach or
3:30
Speaker 3: receivers coach. But they interviewed Brian Callahan, the former Titans
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Speaker 3: head coach, and he was also an o C quarterbacks
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Speaker 3: coach over the year, so he'll be the quarterbacks coach.
3:39
Speaker 3: Matt Naggie will be the OC. Naggie who was a
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Speaker 3: runner up to be the head coach for the Titans.
3:46
Speaker 3: He he runs more, he likes if he's got enough receivers.
3:49
Speaker 3: As I understand, it spread concepts, so depending if they
3:52
Speaker 3: could get Wandel Robinson back, who had a really good year. Yep,
3:56
Speaker 3: because you got Slayton coming off the AC excuse me,
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Speaker 3: neighbors coming off the ACL. Slaton back who can run.
4:00
Speaker 3: Not much else. Jalen Hyde has been at bust, he's been,
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Speaker 3: hadn't done a thing. They just draft to speed, but
4:06
Speaker 3: that was about it. They I love when the Giant
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Speaker 3: fans came after me in training because we did our show.
4:12
Speaker 3: But I think you and I might have done it
4:14
Speaker 3: separate previther than with Greg And I said he's too thin. Oh,
4:17
Speaker 3: we put on twenty five pounds of muscle. What do
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Speaker 3: you talk about. You's gonna have a breakout season. Now
4:23
Speaker 3: he had a break wrong season, Yeah, breaking in nothing
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Speaker 3: have it? He just like every receiver's coach I talked
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Speaker 3: before the draft said, two finasse does it. All he
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Speaker 3: could do is run in a straight line like you
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Speaker 3: could put We've said this about DEFENSEI plays you coul
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Speaker 3: put all the weight on you want, but if you're
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Speaker 3: not physical enough, it doesn't matter how much you weigh, right,
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Speaker 3: And he just doesn't have it. And it's hard to
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Speaker 3: get that that dog in you, as they say the
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Speaker 3: coaches look for. It's hard, man, It's hard.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Can you imagine if the Giants, and I know
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Speaker 2: Naggy wasn't his offensive corners beene me in Kansas City,
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Speaker 2: but if they tried to make a run at Tyreek
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Speaker 2: Hill to get Tyreek Hill and neighbors in there, and really.
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Speaker 3: What a bad injury? It's yeah, I know. If he
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Speaker 3: won't keep it healthy, yeah, he's my goodness, gracious, that's
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Speaker 3: one of the worst knee injuries I've ever heard of.
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's just yeah, it was amazing that he
5:13
Speaker 1: just came back. I mean, you know, to be able
5:14
Speaker 1: to come back from that.
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Speaker 3: Well he remember Tyreek, But this one, this one is
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Speaker 3: bad like this one. Yeah, I mean the Dolphins were
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Speaker 3: that this is not a as we always say, it's
5:27
Speaker 3: about cash, not cap This is a cash issue. They
5:30
Speaker 3: were not going to pay him thirty five million bucks
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Speaker 3: in total with what everything he was going to be owed,
5:34
Speaker 3: and yeah, they're gonna they're gonna save it. Well we'll
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Speaker 3: take the cap bit, they'll use the post June one.
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Speaker 3: But yeah, getting back to the Giants here, I.
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Speaker 2: Was being presumptuous there. I was assuming Tyreek Kill was
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Speaker 2: gonna is going to come back.
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Speaker 1: But I shouldn't because he did have a very gruesome injury.
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Speaker 3: He's been training. I mean, look, I know Ross Jerrosanousse
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Speaker 3: will tell everyone he's, you know, doing great, and that's fine. Yeah,
5:55
Speaker 3: but he's he's a very interesting guy. But getting back
6:00
Speaker 3: to the Giants here, so then now this is interesting.
6:06
Speaker 3: Jannard Wilson, another guy with Philly ties obviously, who really
6:09
Speaker 3: should have been the decordinator with Sean de Side, but
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Speaker 3: it didn't happen. So Denard Wilson will run a thirty
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Speaker 3: four where you're looking into if he's going to run
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Speaker 3: fanjo or not, or what exactly who's going to run
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Speaker 3: because he's got sort of some bottom we're in him,
6:23
Speaker 3: some fangios, some other systems in him, and we're we're
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Speaker 3: going to look to see what exactly he's going to do.
6:33
Speaker 3: You know, they've been running thirty four for a while
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Speaker 3: and they got the great thing about the Giants is
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Speaker 3: you don't have to worry about their past. Rush and
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Speaker 3: Abdull Carter, who had pretty significant maturity problems which we
6:42
Speaker 3: didn't know about before the draft, never heard one thing
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Speaker 3: about him. Yeah, and then all of a sudden there
6:46
Speaker 3: was some crazy stuff out there. Yeah. Then he owned
6:50
Speaker 3: up to it and then he saw Boy did he
6:51
Speaker 3: come on late in the season. So you've got Burns
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Speaker 3: Thibodeau if they don't trade him. Chauncy Golson's not a
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Speaker 3: bad back cup with Carter. I mean they got they
7:02
Speaker 3: got there for a Carricaide linebacker at you. They'll play
7:05
Speaker 3: two inside backers, as Vic likes to say, they'll they'll
7:09
Speaker 3: figure out who the other one will be corners. Where
7:11
Speaker 3: they got you know corners where they struggled. Man, it's
7:14
Speaker 3: it's been a problem for them.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Sure, I'm pretty sure. When Dinnard Wilson was with
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Speaker 1: the Jets, he coached under Greg Williams.
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Speaker 3: I was gonna say that, which Greg Williams is a
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Speaker 3: forty three. He's running little bit of thirty four, but
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Speaker 3: he's generally forty three. Guy. Yeah, Coach Williams is on Twitter.
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Speaker 3: We should try to reach out to him.
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Speaker 1: We should, we should. He's an interesting he is.
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Speaker 3: His son's pretty good. I think his son might have
7:38
Speaker 3: been gone into real estate was coaching. But yeah, he
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Speaker 3: coach Williams is. He'll almost say anything.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, but he's a big get after the quarter.
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Speaker 2: He's not afraid to blame.
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Speaker 3: We said it earlier. He plays sometimes for no reason,
7:51
Speaker 3: but or not that's the not. But uh, he's the
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Speaker 3: one who said all the resumes? What did he say?
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Speaker 3: He got all these what he say?
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Speaker 2: Oh?
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Speaker 3: I got does the job offers? Right? What are these crap?
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Speaker 1: Yes? Something like that? Yeah, him and Rob Ryan then
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Speaker 1: the whole I'll have a job yeah the second.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly right, right right, But overall, look they're going
8:10
Speaker 3: through coaching changes here. Oh we should mention and you
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Speaker 3: know it's going to be run see Naggie. This is
8:16
Speaker 3: going to be a true with Naggie because he's about
8:18
Speaker 3: when he had it rolling for the last two years.
8:20
Speaker 3: We're not good with Bears, obviously with Trubisky, who's no
8:23
Speaker 3: one could really develop. But oh they made the playoffs
8:27
Speaker 3: with him. Hard to believe.
8:28
Speaker 2: Honestly, the worst season there. They were eight and eight
8:30
Speaker 2: for two years after making the playoffs and then six
8:32
Speaker 2: and ten. I mean a lot worse than nag than
8:35
Speaker 2: Niggy's tenure.
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Speaker 3: And yeah, no that he got he the the Twitter,
8:38
Speaker 3: the Twitter haters, that they went after him.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it was bad because he kept he
8:42
Speaker 2: gave play calling the laser, then he took a pack,
8:44
Speaker 2: then he came.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's going to have to start with the
11:14
Speaker 3: run because Greg Roman. I don't know if Greg all
11:17
Speaker 3: the ways from Atlantic City. I don't know if you
11:18
Speaker 3: have any ties to Naggy. We obviously know Harball actually
11:21
Speaker 3: fired him in Baltimore. But that's really interesting that he
11:24
Speaker 3: brought him back. Good for harp So that's uh, he's
11:27
Speaker 3: got it. He's a great run game the signer and
11:29
Speaker 3: Naggie will handle the pass, and Chadhall's a great receivers coach,
11:32
Speaker 3: one of the probably top three their offense. That look,
11:35
Speaker 3: I know that the rookie quarterback Dart was really up
11:39
Speaker 3: and down man when he lost it. He was staring
11:42
Speaker 3: down past targets. He was sort of seeing ghosts a
11:43
Speaker 3: little bit. He's an athlete, good arm, good size, but
11:47
Speaker 3: he needs hard coaching. He needs to play with more discipline.
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Speaker 2: So I mean, it strikes me what you're saying here, Adam,
11:53
Speaker 2: is that they have a lot of really good They
11:55
Speaker 2: have a lot of experience, a lot of winners here
11:58
Speaker 2: in their coaching staff, from hart Ball.
12:00
Speaker 1: Out of Nagy.
12:01
Speaker 2: Brian Callahan not not necessarily a winner, but he's been
12:04
Speaker 2: a little and yeah with the Bengals more so than
12:07
Speaker 2: than obviously Tennessee Greg Roman, you mentioned I My feeling
12:12
Speaker 2: is this, I there was a time where if Todd
12:15
Speaker 2: Munkin didn't get that Brown job he was going to be,
12:17
Speaker 2: he would have definitely been it.
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Speaker 1: I've even heard Harbo say that we all know it.
12:23
Speaker 2: So if that were if Monkin had been their offensive coordinator,
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Speaker 2: I would have looked at this Giants team and probably
12:31
Speaker 2: there's just gonna be this conversation like who could be
12:33
Speaker 2: the next Patriots?
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Speaker 1: A terrible team that can run.
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Speaker 3: I'm still there. I'm still there.
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Speaker 2: I'm just not yet because there, because I'm What worries
12:41
Speaker 2: me about their offensive staff is despite the fact that
12:43
Speaker 2: there are all some proven coaches who have been either
12:45
Speaker 2: head coaches or coordinators, I don't get you were bringing
12:48
Speaker 2: this up.
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Speaker 1: I don't I don't get the symmetry there.
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Speaker 2: Like you when you said that, I was I'm with
12:54
Speaker 2: you on Outer Nagy and Greg Roman, who are two schools.
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Speaker 1: Of thought that are not the.
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Speaker 2: And I know Harball is a great galvanizer and he's
13:04
Speaker 2: a people's coach and a coach's coach, and if anybody
13:07
Speaker 2: can do it, he can. But that's why I'm saying,
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Speaker 2: if Monkinn had been there and they kind of got
13:11
Speaker 2: their own Monkin guys in that system, I would have said, Man,
13:14
Speaker 2: the Giants, they they are like maybe two or three moves,
13:17
Speaker 2: whether it's draft or free agents, away from really being dangerous.
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Speaker 1: And they could be.
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Speaker 2: But I'm just not sure how this is all gonna
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Speaker 2: work with these minds that they've brought in on offense.
13:27
Speaker 2: I'm a little reluctant on that.
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Speaker 3: In Harves, by the way, brought in his own head
13:33
Speaker 3: athletic trainer. So you're Ronnie, you know, the legendary Ronnie
13:36
Speaker 3: Barnes is in his seventies, is going to have his
13:40
Speaker 3: titles changed?
13:41
Speaker 1: Yeah?
13:41
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean Tarv's got like this is the most power,
13:44
Speaker 3: not that he shouldn't have been able to bring in
13:46
Speaker 3: who he wants as coaches, but he's got a lot
13:48
Speaker 3: of he's got a lot of swag. Now it's it's
13:50
Speaker 3: gonna be interesting to see what happens. I give the
13:52
Speaker 3: Giants credit. Chris Hortener came in from Baltimore was also
13:55
Speaker 3: specially he's going to be the assistant special teams coach.
13:58
Speaker 3: But what No, he's actually the assistant head coach, special
14:02
Speaker 3: teams coach, who is Harve's special teams coach in Baltimore.
14:05
Speaker 3: But when you do this, when you're laying out this
14:08
Speaker 3: kind of cash, you're gonna expect results, and I don't know.
14:12
Speaker 3: The Giants fans are been exasperated by the clown show.
14:16
Speaker 3: It's been for many years there quite frankly. Other though,
14:18
Speaker 3: when they shocked the world made the playoffs the first
14:21
Speaker 3: year of day ball in twenty two and actually beat
14:23
Speaker 3: the Vikings, that was a shocker. But since that it's
14:25
Speaker 3: been terrible. It's terrible for that with oh god, just
14:29
Speaker 3: such bad coaching and so many bad roster moves. But
14:33
Speaker 3: now there are gonna be some expectations.
14:35
Speaker 2: Yeah, how do you think in general Harball being in
14:39
Speaker 2: a New York fishball environment compared to a Baltimore one,
14:44
Speaker 2: because you know how hard is he wants everybody to
14:47
Speaker 2: like pull in the same direction and be all about
14:49
Speaker 2: his team, and like.
14:51
Speaker 3: That's not going to work with the New York media, Well,
14:53
Speaker 3: I would say this. In recent years, he's been great
14:56
Speaker 3: with injury information. I don't know if they talked to
14:59
Speaker 3: him about it. I don't know what happened, but yeah,
15:03
Speaker 3: I was he was like one of the better ones
15:04
Speaker 3: I've given out information. I was like, he used to
15:06
Speaker 3: not do that. I don't know what happened. He says,
15:09
Speaker 3: you get older, he's in the sixties now. I don't
15:11
Speaker 3: know if I don't know, if he's like, you know,
15:12
Speaker 3: why am I being so tough with the media. Right,
15:15
Speaker 3: It's been actually better with the media, so we'll see it's. Uh.
15:19
Speaker 3: I totally missed out on his brother Jim year one
15:22
Speaker 3: with the Chargers turning around. I should have known better.
15:24
Speaker 3: I missed out on Varabel this season. I didn't see
15:26
Speaker 3: it with a roster. I don't think many did around
15:28
Speaker 3: the NFL. Yeah, the the the obvious choice. I haven't
15:32
Speaker 3: seen the future numbers. They've got to be nine wins,
15:34
Speaker 3: got to be over five hundreds.
15:35
Speaker 1: Yeah.
15:35
Speaker 2: I think the Giants have talent and plus they have
15:37
Speaker 2: a top ten pick, and my god, if they get
15:39
Speaker 2: Kleb Branson uh in that that or no, I'm sorry,
15:42
Speaker 2: Caleb downs, ransom and kill anyway, if they get downs
15:46
Speaker 2: in that secondary because you've seen Harbaugh when he has
15:48
Speaker 2: a good safety, whether it's Ed Reed or Kyle Hamilton,
15:51
Speaker 2: I mean he's had something to use him, right though,
15:53
Speaker 2: I think they will.
15:54
Speaker 1: I think year one or not.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, Kyle Hamilton year one was not, and then after
15:59
Speaker 3: that it came a star. Yeah, em and Wire. Look,
16:02
Speaker 3: you got to use them the right way. Yeah, because
16:04
Speaker 3: you don't safety is big draft of that high you
16:06
Speaker 3: just don't do it.
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Speaker 2: I think they'll figure it out based on what he
16:10
Speaker 2: did in Baltimore. They'll know how to use kill him now.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and one thing. Look, We've said this before recently
16:16
Speaker 3: and I'd like to say it again. It would be
16:18
Speaker 3: nothing better. It's the NFC used to be a great division,
16:20
Speaker 3: not the NFC least anymore correct. See it, there's a
16:22
Speaker 3: great division. When you don't know who's gonna win on
16:25
Speaker 3: it's just you watch the game and go, wow, this
16:26
Speaker 3: has been a great game. You just you just don't
16:29
Speaker 3: get it. I mean, Washington two years ago shocked us.
16:32
Speaker 3: They were there were there, was great until the Eagles
16:34
Speaker 3: boat raced them. It's some crazy something like that. I'll
16:37
Speaker 3: look in it up. So in the playoffs, but then
16:40
Speaker 3: they fell off. Dallas has been a clown show defensively,
16:43
Speaker 3: that's just stated that. Not not competitive. Now they've they've
16:47
Speaker 3: got a young and up and coming, really sharp coach
16:50
Speaker 3: and Christian Parker, but kind of get buy in. Don't know.
16:54
Speaker 3: There's a lot of mystery though. That's the one thing.
16:57
Speaker 3: They're eight new offensive defense coordinators excuse me, out of
17:01
Speaker 3: eight Okay, there's six new ones and four first time
17:05
Speaker 3: play callers. It's a lot. It's a lot of change.
17:07
Speaker 3: That's the mystery. You just don't know for sure, that's right.
17:12
Speaker 1: I hate to use this phrase. I'm gonna use it.
17:14
Speaker 1: I don't like to use this phrase because sometimes it's
17:16
Speaker 1: it's disrespectful.
17:17
Speaker 2: But it does feel like with hardball there and the
17:20
Speaker 2: staff he's brought in, there's more adults in the room,
17:24
Speaker 2: as some people like to say, as far as just
17:26
Speaker 2: having the right leadership, the connectivity to the players, symmetry,
17:31
Speaker 2: you know, and look, Stable's good offensive coordinator. There were
17:35
Speaker 2: things that he did, you know, going into the tent
17:37
Speaker 2: to see you know, getting red faced, shooting with his coaches.
17:41
Speaker 2: He was too temperament, especially in that one.
17:43
Speaker 3: He's a terrible temper He's a guy that is talking
17:47
Speaker 3: to people work with him for a number of years.
17:49
Speaker 3: He could be incredibly gracious and great. The coaches right,
17:52
Speaker 3: and then just obliterate him like he just don't like
17:55
Speaker 3: they try to figuret where he's coming from. But I
17:58
Speaker 3: think he's a good person who's just kind of inflicted.
18:00
Speaker 3: And then the craziness of what he did going to
18:02
Speaker 3: that medical tent. He knows better than that. Yeah, oh,
18:04
Speaker 3: I had to have an answer, Like, dude, there's a
18:06
Speaker 3: way that you can try to get an answer with
18:09
Speaker 3: the medical t you can't check right, It's ridiculous.
18:12
Speaker 2: John Harboll's ultimate goal will be to build a program
18:15
Speaker 2: and build a team that has enough depth right and
18:20
Speaker 2: is well stocked so that you are not paralyzed by
18:23
Speaker 2: fear when one player, including your quarterback, goes into the
18:26
Speaker 2: medical tent that.
18:27
Speaker 1: You have to go run in there.
18:28
Speaker 2: Oh jeez. He's a program builder. He's going to have
18:32
Speaker 2: he's going to have a calmness about him. But yet
18:34
Speaker 2: he's also gonna be able to convey his message and
18:36
Speaker 2: trickle it down. And I and I think that's something
18:39
Speaker 2: like you look at some past coaches for the Giants,
18:41
Speaker 2: whether it's Joe Judge or even who's the guy from
18:44
Speaker 2: Green Bay who's almost.
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Speaker 1: It's too big a press conference, right, Like, how do
18:51
Speaker 1: you command? But I mean, but he's his presence is
18:55
Speaker 1: a little. But yeah, I think John will command that
18:58
Speaker 1: from the start.
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Speaker 3: That gets buying gets buying. And and look, it's funny.
19:04
Speaker 3: I love the under six and a half wins last
19:06
Speaker 3: year and and they should have had nine easy yeah,
19:10
Speaker 3: I don't know what the fourth quarters, how many exactly,
19:13
Speaker 3: I don't know what the I don't know what the
19:14
Speaker 3: record is choking games, and of Brandon Staley Chargers were
19:17
Speaker 3: going to charge her. You know, cowboys are gonna do cowboys,
19:19
Speaker 3: I say, but my god, the number of chokes that
19:22
Speaker 3: the Giants had, it sort of had to be a
19:24
Speaker 3: team record.
19:25
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
19:25
Speaker 2: Well, if you took the collective points that they choked
19:28
Speaker 2: up in fourth quarters over, that might have been set
19:30
Speaker 2: an NFL record.
19:31
Speaker 3: I could see why you Dave got to pissed off.
19:33
Speaker 1: Yeah, what was it? Eighteen points against the broadcast?
19:37
Speaker 3: Dude? They the broadcast didn't score points to the fourth court.
19:39
Speaker 3: They know real, they know nothing. You want to talk
19:44
Speaker 3: about a team playing awful football.
19:46
Speaker 1: Uh huh?
19:46
Speaker 3: Dead in the water and I I just it was
19:49
Speaker 3: one of the I think I'm almost certain we had
19:51
Speaker 3: the game on four o'clock games because it was a
19:54
Speaker 3: Denver so we had the game on and it was
19:57
Speaker 3: such a it was such a train wreck. I was like,
19:59
Speaker 3: I can't my ass off because they're going to choke again,
20:02
Speaker 3: right And I'm like, oh no, oh no, no, it's
20:05
Speaker 3: it can't. But it did.
20:06
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then yeah, and then weeks later came the
20:08
Speaker 2: Bears one and that's the one that costs cost him
20:11
Speaker 2: his job.
20:12
Speaker 3: They had enough, I mean they had enough.
20:14
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, but no, there should be some stability. And
20:18
Speaker 2: I know people we've probably talked about this before because
20:20
Speaker 2: the Giants have been loading up on talented players. They've
20:23
Speaker 2: had so many top five picks, and we've probably said like,
20:26
Speaker 2: they're ready, they're ready, but you know, we'll probably say
20:29
Speaker 2: it again this year. But I mean, I think you
20:31
Speaker 2: can feel a little more convicted with the coaching staff
20:33
Speaker 2: that they brought in that there's there's guys who know
20:35
Speaker 2: how to win.
20:36
Speaker 3: There, yeah, there are there are naggs is wan to.
20:40
Speaker 3: He must have want us for both the Chiefs I
20:42
Speaker 3: do right or too.
20:43
Speaker 1: Yeah against the Eagles.
20:44
Speaker 3: Yeah. In fact, he was the quarterbacks coach for Mahomes'
20:47
Speaker 3: best year in twenty two. Right, But the question is
20:50
Speaker 3: are play calling that the last few years are play
20:52
Speaker 3: going fair to Curticists have no problem with it because
20:54
Speaker 3: the fact I don't. I don't argue with facts, right,
20:56
Speaker 3: but the exactly like this guy can't coach like these
20:59
Speaker 3: these the Twitter like they when they want you, there's
21:03
Speaker 3: a small section, and that stuff has impact man, unfortunately,
21:07
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Speaker 1: All right, so again, you know later in the off season,
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Speaker 2: We'll bring on Greg Cosel after the draft, after free agency,
23:27
Speaker 2: and we'll really take the Scalpel and the Forceps to
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Speaker 2: the entire NFC East and Eagle's involved, and we'll we'll
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23:36
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23:40
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Speaker 2: and then before you know what, we'll be talking about
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Speaker 3: One more thing, we have major announcements come for patroon
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Speaker 3: our level two eleven three members. Oh boy, yeah, this
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Speaker 3: is going to be the one that you got. I
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Speaker 3: to tape it first to make sure it happens. Yes,
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Speaker 3: I'm sure it will because the guy see been very excited. Yep,
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Speaker 3: you know, but h I say it? Would you not
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Speaker 3: say it's a legendary Eagle.
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Speaker 1: We were talking about for asking Eagle right, ye asking?
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Speaker 2: Also yes, yeah, yeah, Well we've got two guys now, yes,
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Speaker 3: The player's response is great, and he to me is
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Speaker 3: an Eagle legend. There's no question next to what side
24:28
Speaker 3: of football. Yep, he was a tremendous player, not even
24:31
Speaker 3: to say the deck the years who he's with.
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Speaker 1: But I think it's fair to say yes, absolutely looking
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Speaker 1: forward to that.
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Speaker 2: And by the way, before we end this show, if
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Speaker 2: you haven't caught it yet, not necessarily a legend, but
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Speaker 2: a really known player for the Eagles in the early
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Speaker 2: Andy days. Jeff Thomason Andrew de Checo did a wonderful interview.
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Speaker 2: We put it on both our our YouTube and our
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24:53
Speaker 2: He caught up with Jeff thomas and everybody remembers they
24:55
Speaker 2: signed him that Super Bowl year in four when Chad
24:57
Speaker 2: Lewis broke his foot right and that one yes right, yeah,
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Speaker 2: But Thomasin had been with the Eagles before. He's kind
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Speaker 2: of made. He had a little famous celebration that people
25:06
Speaker 2: got to know about. But it was a great interview,
25:08
Speaker 2: great interview with great stories from Jeff Thomasin and Andrew
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Speaker 2: asked a bunch of really great questions, so make sure
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Speaker 3: It's a really cool Yeah, it's a great yeah for sure.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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