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Yoreh De’ah 189:31-34. Niddah: Veses, Post Menopause, Mesulekes Damim, Pregnant, Nursing, 24 Months · SHULCHAN ARUCH YOMI: Own the Halacha in 25 minutes a day!

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  Morning. We are starting with continuing
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  kufpe, tet and hochhasnida. We are at lamad olive, sif,
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  lamad olive. OK, so we're talking about
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  zucchini, an older lady, not so old, especially nowadays,
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  definitely not so old, but a little older and post
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  menopausal. So the women have once they're
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  postmenopausal, they have a din of Masulukkit dummy.
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  So that's what we're discussing now.
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  We just left off by it takes let's say 90 days for a woman to
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  become a zakina. But there is, as we discussed, a
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  minimum age where we can sit where if she has the all the
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  dinum of Masulukit dummy, as opposed to someone who's 35 and
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  doesn't see for three for for 90 days, the way it's brought down
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  in the Shafanara and the Gemara that there is a certain, a
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  certain age. So that's why that's the, that's
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  the that makes a difference. And so what's enough Kamina?
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  In other words, any woman who doesn't see for 90 days, she
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  doesn't have to check anymore, right?
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  But she's went beyond her vested kavua or vested Ena kavua makes
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  no difference. Once 90 days goes by, there's
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  nothing for her to check. And if it's Ena kavua, it's only
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  once, right? So what is what is what?
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  What is she worry? So what's enough Kamina?
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  Basically, if the first time that she sees afterwards, the
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  first time that she sees afterwards, if she has a din of
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  Masulaka Damim or not, it'll make a little bit of a
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  difference as we're going to see in particular if she is Enakovo,
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  the Vestich Enakovo in particular, and perhaps
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  depending how one holds if she's khosheshit for Una Ben on it.
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  So that's really the truth is is not a huge, not a huge Nafkamina
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  except for what we just pointed out.
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  So let's read that inside. We're going to see how that's
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  relevant to Lahmad Olive. OK, so let's read it inside.
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  Khazra lirot the onot ktano chaita le muda liyot roaben
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  hazara le kyuta harishon. OK, so now we're talking about a
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  Zucana, not a Cortana. We're going to see there is a
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  small difference that if she's Zucana and she has a din of
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  Masulakit Damim, she's old enough and she hasn't seen for
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  90 days. So then what happens when the
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  first time she sees? So the halacha is if she had a
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  vested kavua, then we assume not most women nowadays.
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  But whatever the case is, if she has a vested kavua, even though
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  she's a zucchina 6070 years old, she hasn't seen in in years.
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  She sees once and it's the same as her vested kavua.
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  So now she has to worry about her vested kavua if she doesn't
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  have a vested kavua and she doesn't have to worry about it
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  until she sees it three times. But if she is a vested kavua,
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  immediately she's kosche. So let's see if we're talking
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  about the interval vasit. So then khazrallah kadunuta
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  imtiafaga kamoshita Li muda tehila.
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  So then she has to see this interval again and then she has
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  to worry about this interval once, which means she actually
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  had to have seen it twice. The IM Bashar vested.
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  But if it's a vested with that's like dependent upon the day of
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  the month. So then afilo bepamakhas
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  khosarit lecademuta of that she if she had a vested kabua, then
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  if she just sees once, then she's khosheshit for a vested
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  kabua afilo bepam akhas even once khosarit lecademuta
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  shaharit galatia delagarician Los silu damimi ella mikra
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  because we assume it wasn't allocically, we assume it wasn't
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  siluk damim. It was just a chance.
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  Obviously these when you're going to see it again, usually
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  you're not going to be 70 and 80, you're going to be in your
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  50s or or whatever it is 60 out of ella mikra ubazek hamour.
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  Now this is how din hazakina Medina ektana, the zakina is
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  more is different than the din of Ektana.
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  It's more hamur shilai ektana shilai Gia zumana liraut.
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  In other words, we established both ektana, right?
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  She's 11 years old or Zakayna, we'll call her 60.
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  Both of them could be Miss Sulekadami.
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  But this is enough Kamena difference.
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  If she's a Zakayna and she had a vest at Kavua once and she
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  hasn't seen for 90 days, then only takes her one time to be
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  kochesshed for the vest at Kavua again.
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  If she was a Cortana and she saw three times, but then before she
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  was 12, she didn't see any, but she stopped seeing for 90 days.
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  And if she sees one more time and it was the vesit karua, she
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  doesn't have to worry about the vesit karua.
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  OK, let's go on now just to point out that all these cases
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  of Mesulekhit Dhamim, whether it's Katana Zucchina, Mel
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  Barrett, Menukhit, whatever these cases are, she's going to
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  finish soon. They even though they have a din
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  when they have a din a Masulaka Damim, if they do see blood,
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  it's blood. It's dumb.
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  Neda or Zeva, whatever it is, it still is blood.
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  So there's vada it's and it's just she's a vada Tamaya again,
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  Garabana Darabaisa depends like Dasha, if she did a Bidika
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  spinim or if it's ketam again. Also all of these cases, even a
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  Masulakkadamim, if she sees blood and it's a ketam then
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  about to get to the next two months she still is going to be
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  tamaya. Masulakkadamim is not a pateur
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  for Katamin. It's just really the only
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  difference is she doesn't have to be mafrish.
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  There's no vasit that's created that she has to do a Russia for.
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  If you're Masulakkadami A Katamin and Katamin don't make
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  well, depending on the case, maybe scratch what I just said.
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  But anyways, and Tommy and we're going to see do not create a a
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  vested to be Mafrish. So that's but anyways, let's
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  fine, let's read Llama bet this is a little bit of a different
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  case per Amim Shahisha Kovatla vesit bittalk vesit.
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  It's possible for a woman, you kind of touched upon this
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  before, but here he says a little differently.
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  It's possible for a woman to have two parallel vested at the
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  same time. And she they're independent to
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  each other. You know, they they overlap,
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  they're parallel, but so she has to be Mafrish for both of them.
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  It's possible that she'll have two vested kavuahs.
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  So twice a month she has to be Mafrish for that Ona because
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  it's she has two again, not not obviously not very common.
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  Kate said. What's an example of such a
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  case? Rata shalosh Pami and Barsh
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  Kadesh. So first in this case, again, in
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  this case, he brings down the shelf Anara from the the Ryvid.
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  In this case, it's a six month case that's mentioned.
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  So he's going to continue with that.
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  Again, if it's tough but or not, that's all discussion.
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  Three months. Real simple.
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  For three months, she creates A vested kavua.
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  She sees it once a month. There's one vested Rosh Hodesh,
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  Rosh Hodesh, Rosh Hodesh. Fine, those are the first three
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  months. Now the next three months, she's
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  going to see it on Roche Kodesh and cough.
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  There's a whole question. What Nisa you have.
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  It's not bays, it's cough. We're going to read that in a
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  second. The first of the month and the
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  20th of the month. So the first three months she
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  always saw it an olive. The next three months she saw it
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  saw Henri Estam an olive and cough.
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  Olive and cough. Olive and cough.
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  OK, let's read that. We already eat the cough, the
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  cough. That's what the Mr. Kayleen
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  point out in case you have Beth in your version who Berosh
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  Hodish and then she has it on the next Rosh Hodish, the chame
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  sheet, bashi sheet Hari kavashte vestos.
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  So on the so then she ends up creating.
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  She initially created one vesit kavua and now she added on to it
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  another vesit kavua. I'll just point out if it was
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  the first month olive, next month olive and then she had it
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  on cough and then the next month olive and then cough.
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  It's a home Mahloka if that's established.
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  But she didn't have the 1st 3A clean vested.
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  But anyways, let's go on. And certainly if she if every
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  month there was always olive cough, olive cough, olive cough,
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  that's basically a case that we had quite a bit earlier and that
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  would also be a vested kabua. No problem.
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  Now just an interesting Mahlokas, just to point out, we
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  probably didn't discuss this too much.
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  The halacha is the Gras discusses this over here on the
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  page that nowadays there's no distinction between Anita and
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  Zava. Remember Anita, basically you
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  get 7 days the normal time and then you get the next 11 days,
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  which is Dom Ziva. So he points out over here this
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  this example the rival holds that you can't become a now you
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  can't have a vested kavua if it's within the days of Dom
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  Zeva. So his example for the rival has
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  to be after the 18th, as if it would be if she would see every
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  month on the if she established a vesa kavua, roshotish,
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  roshotish, roshotish, and then the next three months would be
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  roshotish and the 15th. So according to the rival, not
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  us and the rival that wouldn't make in the second vesit because
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  the 15th is in the next 11 days after this, it's within the 11
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  days of Ziva of Yeah, because you do 7 + 11 is 18.
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  So if it's less than 18, according to the rival, it
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  wouldn't establish. And his example comes from the
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  rival. But anyways, that's just an
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  interesting tidbit. Can you get a vest at Kavua
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  during the time of Ziva? And the answer is the mice.
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  So we all, we hold up to Rishonian who say yes, there's
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  no difference whatsoever. Yes, that's the whole
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  complication. How do you establish we can
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  discuss it again? How do you Major Mahalo
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  Grishanim famous Rambam versus pretty much all that we shown
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  him? How do you what are the Ziva?
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  When does it start up again? OK, so let's get to Lama Gimmel
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  Mehu Barrett le akar shlocha Kardashian ibura.
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  So now once she is a woman gets pregnant after the three months
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  of her getting pregnant. So then right in the 90 days
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  she's not going to be seen, at least nowadays, Luminika Kolkov,
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  Dalit Kodesh Akhar Leda Savlad. So from the moment she three
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  months go by and she is met Albert, then she she's has a
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  dinner Miss Sulekha Dhamim until 24 months after she gives gives
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  birth. OK, whether she's nursing or
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  not, but we're going to, we're going to keep seeing who Medika
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  Kolkov dala kodesh ahar Leela tavat Anna kovat veset.
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  She does not get an established veset afilu made tavlat gamatu.
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  Even if the child dies within the 24 months or she stops
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  nursing and whatever she nurses for a month, six months, doesn't
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  matter. She gets 24 months.
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  And we say for those entire 24 months, the din, the normal way
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  of the body, Ishadamim Masulakit, Masulaki, Mehem
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  Kozman, ibura Viko, Kaftali Khodesh.
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  And for the next 24 months, Mikko Malcolm, khosheshit
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  Lariasha, Tierra kadera, shahosheshit levesit, Shayna
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  kabula. But if she sees and she's still
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  Khosheshit 4. And yes, so then she still has
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  to be khosheshit. Once she's once she sees during
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  these 24 months, again, medical issues, speak to your
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  gynecologist if you see bleeding.
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  But if she sees bleeding for the 24 months, all right, because
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  from that will bear it to a certain point.
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  You don't want to see bleeding. But then you're saying even if
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  she were to see during those two years, you're right.
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  So she she's she's not going to be she's not going to covey a
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  vesa kavua and she's not going to be O care a vesa kavua from
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  before. She still has her vesa kavua
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  from before. We hold that in place.
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  And but she does like everybody else.
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  I'm just I have some in circles here.
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  I do what I want to look at. Right.
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  And the piece right here, that's an interesting question.
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  It's Mahokis here in on our page.
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  He writes that for an owner, Ben Onis, you don't have to worry.
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  Again, this is a a Mahokis Amaisa.
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  So OK, if she has to worry about just maybe just a day and a half
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  lager, fine. Lamid.
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  Lamidalid. Let's do.
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  Let's see if Lamidalid. We'll bear it.
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  Neil Barrett, Misha hukar ubra. So as soon as we notice after
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  three months she's pregnant with Meinika called kaf Dal and
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  kodesh, and so she's nursing or she's nursing for 24 months.
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  Ina kosheshit la vesta harishon. She doesn't have to worry about
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  her vesta tarishon afilo Ayala vested kavua even if she used to
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  have a vested kavua vigiata hazman hazer Ena srija vidika.
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  So she doesn't have to worry about for these 24 months.
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  Let's say she has a vested kavua for Rosh Kodesh, for example, so
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  comes Rosh Kodesh. She doesn't doesn't have to
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  worry about checking on Rosh Kodesh umu Teret la baila and
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  she's smuttered for her husband this whole time.
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  I'm I assuming she doesn't see blood, any bleeding, but filu
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  choufat viraodang the otan onochehenen Eno ella de Micra.
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  So even if she does see blood, so obviously now she's Anita.
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  That's clear. But once she goes, she waits the
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  number of days she goes to the mikvah, and then she doesn't
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  have to worry about the next month.
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  Second, Abu Yumei Philo choufad Farouat right, She doesn't have
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  to worry about the vesit kavua elaba mikra avru OK Elaba mikra
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  who say it was just a chance. And then she does have to check
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  though if she sees once believe she has to check like all women
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  for not the vested kavua. Just the same day as now and the
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  same as and yeah, OK, Alvaro yamaya ybor vahanaka hoserat
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  lahouche la vesta harisham. Now let's say 24 day 24 months
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  go by. What happens after 24 months?
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  So the halacha is according to the Shalkhanarak, and that seems
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  to be the halacha. Keitzad hayala veset liamim
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  imimuda la Rocha kodashim hosheshit la Roche la Roche
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  kodesh risham shihi pagadpo. So let's say it's after 24
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  months from when she gave birth. So that first if if she had a
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  vested kavua for Rosh Kodesh and she hasn't in this case she
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  hasn't seen for 24 months. So now since she gave birth, she
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  hasn't seen any bleeding. So now on the 1st Roche Kodesh,
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  she had a vested Kabul of Roche Kodesh, the first Roche Kodesh
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  that she sees after 24 months, even without seeing any
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  bleeding. Since she had a vested kabua,
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  she has to worry about it. The thing called Coyote Abbas.
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  So any similar type of a vested kabua that's dependent upon a
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  day and not an interval, right? Can't we're about to read it
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  obviously can't be an interval because you need a starting
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  point. So you need to be a second
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  reading for a second seeing for a interval.
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  Akanadini miyala vested hagoof al izman any kind of vested
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  hagoof al izman yedua aval E maela vesta vested haflaga.
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  But if it was only four intervals EF she can't worry, be
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  worried about it. Acha taksar lerot, Hazara lerot,
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  Hazra lerot, Hazra lerot. So if it's one full one interval
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  that she has to see twice, then already for that first interval,
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  now she has to worry about the next potential interval.
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  Now, as the shock points out, if after 24 months, for 24 months
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  she hasn't seen and then and she had a vested cavo, which is not
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  so common, but we'll just say that real quick.
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  If she was a vested kavua for Rosh Kodesh, so that first Rosh
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  Kodesh, she has to worry. And what about the second Rosh
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  Kodesh? She also has to worry because
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  she has a vested kavua and Roshesh said she went back to
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  her vested kavua. So she has to check for three
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  Roshko dishes in a row. Unlike if you didn't have a
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  vested kavua, then you wouldn't have to.
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  There's nothing to there's no actual date until you see it
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  once and and then you're only worried for that the next month.
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  That's for Anna Kavua and just interesting in the shock points
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  out that many say for after 24 months, you do need to see it
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  once, but that seems to not be the halacha.
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  He just wonders why I didn't put it in as the a shaman.
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  OK, so just to point out women nowadays.
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  So during the first three months, so the shock and arc,
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  right, It takes three months for a woman to be miss selected the
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  mean when they become pregnant. Nowadays there are certain
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  tests. Sometimes we can verify even
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  before three months. But Lamaisamos post Kim say the
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  halacha doesn't change. She continues being hoshish.
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  Well, it's only once for a vestiche in a kavua.
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  That's not that's that's not a problem.
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  But even if she's as a vested kavua, we're still stripped for
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  three times. OK, And then what about the 24
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  months after giving birth? It's according to the
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  Sholkhanarak she gets a pass masul academia for 24 months
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  whether she's nursing or not nursing.
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  But nowadays women even if they're nursing, they usually
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  start having a regular period before 24 months and if they
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  stop nursing, they usually get their period shortly afterwards.
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  So therefore, once in Lamisa, nowadays most posts can say la
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  Cumra that as soon as a woman starts having her period, then
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  she does have to start being Koshish.
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  Obviously, dam Damita's damita, she has to go to the mikvah, the
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  count, the mikvah, all that like usual and she has to be worried
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  for it's either 10 enough 1, you know, one month, whatever it is,
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  whatever it is, the interval of the date for Vestichena kavua.
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  And if it's a Vestit kavua, so then she has to worry about it
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  three times, and that even in that 24 months when she's my
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  Sulekha damim. We say lomaisa she could
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  lechlomer. We say she could be covea A
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  vested kavua. But again lechlomer we don't say
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  can O care a previous vested kavua before she was pregnant.
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  For that you have to wait for three times after 24 months.