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Assault on Democracy: The Legal, Ethical & Spiritual Implications of America’s Democratic Crisis · Deep Transformation

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  Welcome
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  to
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  part
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  one
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  of
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  our
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  conversation
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  with
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  Mark
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  Fischler,
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  lawyer,
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  professor
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  and
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  constitutional
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  scholar.
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  This
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  is
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  our
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  third
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  time
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  having
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  Mark
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  on
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  the
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  Deep
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  Transformation
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  podcast
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  and
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  for
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  rather
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  obvious
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  reasons,
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  we
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  need
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  his
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  wisdom,
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  insight,
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  scholarship
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  and
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  deep
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  humanity
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  more
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  than
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  ever.
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  Welcome
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  to
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  Deep
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  Self,
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  Society,
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  Spirit,
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  life
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  enhancing,
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  paradigm
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  rattling
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  conversations
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  with
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  cutting
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  edge
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  thinkers,
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  contemplatives
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  and
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  activ.
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  With
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  Dr.
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  Roger
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  Walsh
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  and
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  John
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  Dupuy.
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  I'm
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  Roger
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  Walsh
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  and
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  our
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  co
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  host
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  is
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  John
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  Dupuy.
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  And
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  with
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  us
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  today
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  is
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  Mark
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  Fishler,
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  who
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  is
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  a
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  professor
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  of
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  criminal
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  justice
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  at
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  Plymouth
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  State
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  University.
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  He's
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  also
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  the
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  co
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  host
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  of
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  a
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  podcast,
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  Integral
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  Justice
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  Warrior,
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  which
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  explores
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  justice
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  perspectives
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  and
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  is
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  also
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  a
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  dedicated
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  contemplative
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  practitioner.
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  So
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  he
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  brings
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  a
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  real
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  heart
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  to
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  legal
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  issues
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  and
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  also
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  a
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  deep
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  perspective,
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  an
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  integrally
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  informed
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  perspective.
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  And
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  he's
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  been
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  a
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  recurrent
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  guest
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  on
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  our
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  program,
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  partly
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  because
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  he's
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  a
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  wonderful
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  human
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  being,
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  but
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  partly
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  because
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  in
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  our
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  troubled
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  times,
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  we
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  really
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  need
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  a
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  legal
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  perspective
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  from
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  someone
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  who
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  is
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  able
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  to
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  provide
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  the
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  legal
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  view
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  but
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  also
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  do
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  it
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  from
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  a
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  big
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  heart.
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  So,
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  Mark,
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  welcome.
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  Thanks
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  so
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  much
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  for
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  being
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  with
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  us
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  again.
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  Yeah,
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  Mark,
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  great
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  having
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  you
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  back,
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  brother.
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  And
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  perhaps
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  we
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  could
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  start
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  with
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  a
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  big
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  picture.
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  You
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  know,
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  we're
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  in
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  a
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  very,
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  very
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  troubled
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  global
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  and
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  national
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  time.
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  There's
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  a
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  lot
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  going
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  on
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  in
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  our
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  contemporary
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  political
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  scene,
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  and
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  for
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  some
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  of
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  us,
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  it's
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  deeply
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  troubling.
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  So
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  perhaps
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  we
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  could
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  just
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  start
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  with
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  a
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  big
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  picture
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  perspective
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  and
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  you
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  could
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  just
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  speak
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  to
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  what
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  you
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  see
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  going
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  on
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  in
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  our
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  national
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  politics
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  at
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  the.
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  Moment
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  and
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  from
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  a
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  constitutional
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  perspective
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  also.
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  Yeah,
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  thank
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  you.
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  And
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  it's
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  just
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  let
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  me
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  first
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  say
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  what
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  an
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  honor
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  it
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  is
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  to
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  be
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  in
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  both
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  of
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  your
• 2:07
  presence.
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  Obviously,
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  I've
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  been
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  on
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  the
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  show,
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  but
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  I'm
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  also
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  a
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  big
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  fan
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  of
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  your
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  show
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  and
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  the
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  wonderful
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  contribution
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  that
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  you're
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  making
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  to
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  our
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  world.
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  And
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  so
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  I'm
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  grateful
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  to
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  be
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  a
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  part
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  of
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  that
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  and
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  to
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  be
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  able
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  to
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  listen
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  to
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  that.
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  So
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  to
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  answer
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  your
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  question,
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  you
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  know,
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  I
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  went
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  and
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  been
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  reading
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  a
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  conservative
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  former
• 2:29
  federal
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  judge
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  named
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  Michael
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  Ludig,
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  and
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  he
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  has
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  provided
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  some
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  really
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  interesting
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  perspectives
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  on
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  some
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  things.
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  And
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  he
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  wrote
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  a
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  long
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  article
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  in
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  the
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  Atlantic
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  magazine
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  about
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  just
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  the
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  end
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  of
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  rule
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  of
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  law
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  in
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  our
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  country.
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  And
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  there's
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  just
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  some
• 2:49
  profound
• 2:50
  quotes
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  that
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  I
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  want
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  to
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  kind
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  of
• 2:52
  share
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  that
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  President
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  Trump
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  has
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  kind
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  of
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  put
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  out
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  there
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  that
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  kind
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  of
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  puts
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  the
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  things
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  into
• 2:57
  perspective
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  that
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  Roger,
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  you
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  mentioned
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  at
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  the
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  start.
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  So
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  when
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  he
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  was
• 3:02
  asked
• 3:02
  a
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  few
• 3:03
  months
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  ago,
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  President
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  Trump,
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  don't
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  you
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  need
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  to
• 3:06
  uphold
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  the
• 3:07
  Constitution
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  in
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  your
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  role
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  as
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  president?
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  And
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  mind
• 3:10
  you,
• 3:11
  ladies
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  and
• 3:11
  gentlemen,
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  that
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  when
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  you
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  swear
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  to.
• 3:14
  You
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  have
• 3:15
  to
• 3:15
  swear
• 3:15
  an
• 3:15
  oath
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  to
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  uphold
• 3:16
  the
• 3:16
  Constitution
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  when
• 3:18
  you
• 3:18
  are
• 3:19
  announced
• 3:19
  to
• 3:20
  be
• 3:20
  the
• 3:20
  next
• 3:20
  President,
• 3:20
  United
• 3:21
  States,
• 3:21
  when
• 3:21
  the
• 3:21
  Chief
• 3:21
  justice
• 3:22
  of
• 3:22
  the
• 3:22
  Supreme
• 3:22
  Court
• 3:23
  swears
• 3:23
  you
• 3:23
  in.
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  He
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  said,
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  I
• 3:25
  don't
• 3:25
  know.
• 3:26
  He
• 3:27
  said,
• 3:27
  I
• 3:27
  don't
• 3:27
  know.
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  And
• 3:29
  then
• 3:29
  they
• 3:29
  asked
• 3:30
  him,
• 3:30
  well,
• 3:31
  doesn't
• 3:31
  every
• 3:31
  person
• 3:32
  in
• 3:33
  the
• 3:33
  United
• 3:33
  States
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  deserve
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  due
• 3:35
  process,
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  which
• 3:36
  is
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  a
• 3:37
  foundational
• 3:38
  principle
• 3:39
  under
• 3:39
  the
• 3:39
  Fifth
• 3:39
  Amendment
• 3:40
  of
• 3:40
  the
• 3:40
  Constitution
• 3:41
  federally
• 3:42
  and
• 3:42
  under
• 3:42
  the
• 3:43
  14th
• 3:43
  Amendment,
• 3:43
  to
• 3:43
  guarantee
• 3:44
  to
• 3:44
  all
• 3:44
  states
• 3:45
  that
• 3:45
  you
• 3:45
  afford
• 3:46
  due
• 3:46
  process
• 3:47
  and
• 3:47
  equal
• 3:47
  protection?
• 3:48
  And
• 3:48
  he
• 3:48
  said,
• 3:48
  I
• 3:49
  don't
• 3:49
  know.
• 3:50
  Can
• 3:50
  I
• 3:50
  add
• 3:51
  that
• 3:51
  when
• 3:51
  I
• 3:51
  was
• 3:51
  a
• 3:52
  soldier
• 3:52
  and
• 3:52
  we
• 3:52
  were
• 3:53
  sworn
• 3:53
  in,
• 3:54
  the
• 3:55
  first
• 3:55
  thing
• 3:55
  in
• 3:55
  that
• 3:55
  oath
• 3:56
  was
• 3:56
  to
• 3:57
  uphold
• 3:57
  and
• 3:57
  defend
• 3:58
  the
• 3:58
  Constitution
• 3:59
  of
• 3:59
  the
• 4:00
  United
• 4:00
  States
• 4:00
  above,
• 4:01
  obey
• 4:01
  the
• 4:01
  commander
• 4:02
  in
• 4:02
  chief
• 4:02
  or
• 4:02
  anything
• 4:03
  else.
• 4:03
  That
• 4:03
  was
• 4:03
  the
• 4:03
  first
• 4:04
  thing.
• 4:04
  Right?
• 4:06
  Right.
• 4:06
  Yeah.
• 4:06
  So
• 4:07
  you
• 4:07
  have
• 4:07
  this
• 4:07
  president
• 4:08
  who
• 4:08
  the
• 4:09
  first
• 4:09
  day
• 4:09
  in
• 4:09
  his
• 4:10
  second
• 4:10
  term
• 4:12
  pardoned
• 4:12
  1200,
• 4:14
  who
• 4:14
  he
• 4:14
  called
• 4:14
  patriots,
• 4:15
  people
• 4:15
  that
• 4:16
  many
• 4:17
  folks
• 4:17
  would
• 4:17
  consider
• 4:18
  did
• 4:18
  an
• 4:18
  insurrection
• 4:19
  against
• 4:19
  the
• 4:20
  government
• 4:20
  of
• 4:20
  the
• 4:20
  United
• 4:20
  States,
• 4:21
  tried
• 4:21
  to
• 4:21
  usurp
• 4:22
  the
• 4:22
  2020
• 4:23
  election
• 4:24
  on
• 4:24
  January
• 4:25
  6,
• 4:25
  and
• 4:26
  he
• 4:26
  just
• 4:26
  pardoned
• 4:26
  them.
• 4:27
  And
• 4:27
  he's
• 4:28
  attempted
• 4:29
  to
• 4:29
  declare
• 4:29
  war
• 4:30
  on
• 4:31
  the
• 4:31
  prosecutors
• 4:32
  and
• 4:32
  the
• 4:32
  individuals
• 4:33
  that
• 4:34
  actually
• 4:34
  went
• 4:35
  after
• 4:35
  them
• 4:35
  and
• 4:35
  tried
• 4:36
  to
• 4:36
  hold
• 4:36
  them
• 4:36
  to
• 4:36
  account.
• 4:38
  And,
• 4:38
  you
• 4:38
  know,
• 4:39
  you
• 4:39
  go
• 4:39
  back
• 4:39
  in
• 4:39
  our
• 4:40
  history,
• 4:40
  you
• 4:41
  go
• 4:41
  to
• 4:41
  the
• 4:41
  Declaration
• 4:42
  of
• 4:42
  Independence,
• 4:43
  and
• 4:43
  you
• 4:44
  look
• 4:44
  at
• 4:44
  some
• 4:44
  of
• 4:44
  the
• 4:44
  language
• 4:45
  where,
• 4:46
  you
• 4:46
  know,
• 4:46
  why
• 4:47
  did
• 4:47
  we
• 4:47
  declare
• 4:47
  independence?
• 4:48
  Right.
• 4:49
  We
• 4:49
  declared
• 4:50
  because
• 4:51
  of
• 4:51
  despotic
• 4:52
  king
• 4:53
  who
• 4:53
  was
• 4:54
  unruly
• 4:54
  and
• 4:55
  doing
• 4:55
  what
• 4:55
  they
• 4:56
  wanted
• 4:56
  to
• 4:56
  do.
• 4:56
  And
• 4:56
  we
• 4:57
  tried
• 4:57
  to
• 4:57
  create
• 4:57
  a
• 4:58
  constitution.
• 4:59
  Originally
• 4:59
  we
• 4:59
  created
• 5:00
  the
• 5:00
  Articles
• 5:00
  of
• 5:00
  Confederation,
• 5:01
  but
• 5:01
  we
• 5:01
  tried
• 5:02
  to
• 5:02
  create
• 5:02
  a
• 5:02
  system
• 5:03
  that
• 5:03
  wouldn't
• 5:04
  give
• 5:04
  in
• 5:04
  to
• 5:04
  that,
• 5:04
  that
• 5:05
  didn't
• 5:05
  have
• 5:06
  such
• 5:06
  centralized
• 5:07
  authority.
• 5:08
  And
• 5:09
  so
• 5:09
  one
• 5:09
  of
• 5:09
  the
• 5:09
  quotes
• 5:10
  from
• 5:10
  the
• 5:10
  Declaration
• 5:11
  in
• 5:12
  reference
• 5:12
  to
• 5:12
  King
• 5:12
  George,
• 5:13
  a
• 5:14
  prince
• 5:14
  whose
• 5:14
  character
• 5:15
  is
• 5:15
  thus
• 5:16
  marked
• 5:16
  by
• 5:16
  every
• 5:16
  act
• 5:17
  which
• 5:17
  may
• 5:17
  define
• 5:18
  a
• 5:18
  tyrant,
• 5:19
  is
• 5:19
  unfit
• 5:20
  to
• 5:20
  be
• 5:20
  a
• 5:20
  ruler
• 5:21
  of
• 5:21
  the
• 5:21
  people.
• 5:22
  And
• 5:23
  that
• 5:24
  there
• 5:24
  is
• 5:24
  resonance
• 5:25
  to
• 5:26
  what's
• 5:27
  happening
• 5:27
  today.
• 5:28
  We
• 5:28
  have
• 5:29
  the
• 5:29
  FBI
• 5:30
  who
• 5:31
  went
• 5:31
  ahead
• 5:31
  and
• 5:31
  arrested
• 5:32
  a
• 5:33
  state
• 5:33
  court
• 5:33
  judge
• 5:34
  in
• 5:35
  Wisconsin
• 5:36
  under
• 5:37
  the
• 5:37
  idea
• 5:38
  of
• 5:38
  federal
• 5:38
  criminal
• 5:39
  charges,
• 5:39
  that
• 5:39
  she
• 5:40
  was
• 5:40
  obstructing
• 5:40
  or
• 5:41
  impeding
• 5:42
  a
• 5:42
  proceeding
• 5:43
  before
• 5:43
  a
• 5:43
  department
• 5:44
  or
• 5:44
  agency
• 5:45
  concealing
• 5:46
  an
• 5:46
  individual
• 5:46
  and
• 5:47
  presenting
• 5:47
  them
• 5:48
  from
• 5:48
  being
• 5:48
  discovered
• 5:49
  or
• 5:49
  arrest
• 5:49
  because
• 5:50
  they
• 5:51
  walked
• 5:51
  out
• 5:51
  of
• 5:52
  a
• 5:52
  side
• 5:53
  door
• 5:54
  as
• 5:54
  opposed
• 5:54
  to
• 5:54
  the
• 5:55
  main
• 5:55
  door.
• 5:55
  And
• 5:56
  by
• 5:56
  all
• 5:57
  accounts,
• 5:58
  there
• 5:58
  is
• 5:58
  no
• 6:00
  real
• 6:00
  evidence
• 6:01
  that
• 6:01
  the
• 6:01
  judge
• 6:02
  committed
• 6:03
  a
• 6:03
  federal
• 6:03
  crime.
• 6:04
  But
• 6:04
  they
• 6:04
  went
• 6:04
  ahead
• 6:05
  and
• 6:06
  did
• 6:06
  this.
• 6:06
  And
• 6:07
  then
• 6:07
  the
• 6:07
  Attorney
• 6:08
  General
• 6:08
  for
• 6:08
  the
• 6:08
  United
• 6:08
  States
• 6:09
  has
• 6:10
  said
• 6:10
  that
• 6:11
  our
• 6:11
  judges
• 6:12
  are
• 6:12
  deranged,
• 6:13
  that
• 6:14
  our
• 6:14
  judges
• 6:15
  believe
• 6:15
  that
• 6:15
  they're
• 6:15
  above
• 6:16
  the
• 6:16
  rule
• 6:16
  of
• 6:16
  law
• 6:17
  and
• 6:17
  we
• 6:17
  must
• 6:17
  hold
• 6:18
  them
• 6:18
  to
• 6:18
  account.
• 6:18
  So
• 6:19
  there
• 6:19
  is
• 6:19
  this
• 6:19
  kind
• 6:20
  of
• 6:20
  attack
• 6:21
  on
• 6:21
  our
• 6:21
  judiciary
• 6:23
  in
• 6:23
  the
• 6:23
  process.
• 6:24
  And
• 6:25
  these
• 6:26
  are
• 6:26
  really,
• 6:26
  really
• 6:27
  unprecedented
• 6:28
  acts
• 6:29
  in
• 6:29
  our
• 6:29
  history.
• 6:30
  And
• 6:31
  it's
• 6:31
  just
• 6:31
  incredible.
• 6:32
  We
• 6:32
  can
• 6:32
  talk
• 6:32
  about
• 6:33
  the
• 6:33
  mass
• 6:33
  deportations,
• 6:34
  we
• 6:34
  can
• 6:34
  talk
• 6:35
  about
• 6:35
  the
• 6:35
  war
• 6:36
  on
• 6:36
  the
• 6:36
  press.
• 6:37
  But
• 6:38
  to
• 6:39
  really
• 6:39
  look
• 6:40
  at
• 6:40
  this
• 6:40
  from
• 6:41
  a
• 6:41
  wider
• 6:41
  lens
• 6:42
  that
• 6:42
  you
• 6:43
  asked
• 6:44
  Roger,
• 6:45
  these
• 6:45
  are
• 6:46
  really
• 6:46
  the
• 6:46
  hallmarks
• 6:47
  of
• 6:47
  an
• 6:47
  individual
• 6:48
  who
• 6:49
  sees
• 6:50
  the
• 6:50
  world
• 6:50
  from
• 6:50
  a
• 6:51
  really
• 6:51
  zero
• 6:51
  sum
• 6:52
  game,
• 6:53
  sees
• 6:53
  things
• 6:54
  from
• 6:54
  there
• 6:54
  are
• 6:55
  winners
• 6:55
  and
• 6:55
  losers
• 6:56
  and
• 6:57
  wants
• 6:57
  to
• 6:57
  be
• 6:58
  on
• 6:58
  the
• 6:58
  side
• 6:58
  of
• 6:59
  winners.
• 6:59
  And
• 7:00
  however
• 7:00
  they
• 7:00
  see
• 7:01
  that.
• 7:01
  And
• 7:01
  it's
• 7:02
  interesting,
• 7:02
  I
• 7:03
  went
• 7:03
  back
• 7:03
  to
• 7:04
  Don
• 7:04
  Beck
• 7:04
  and
• 7:05
  Chris
• 7:05
  Cowan's
• 7:05
  book
• 7:06
  Spiral
• 7:07
  Dynamics,
• 7:08
  and
• 7:08
  I
• 7:09
  think
• 7:09
  it's
• 7:09
  a
• 7:09
  1996
• 7:10
  book.
• 7:10
  And
• 7:11
  I
• 7:11
  think
• 7:11
  all
• 7:11
  of
• 7:12
  us,
• 7:12
  at
• 7:12
  least
• 7:13
  the
• 7:13
  three
• 7:13
  of
• 7:13
  us,
• 7:14
  have
• 7:14
  read
• 7:14
  this.
• 7:15
  And
• 7:15
  I
• 7:16
  was
• 7:16
  just
• 7:17
  reading
• 7:17
  some
• 7:17
  things
• 7:18
  about
• 7:18
  how
• 7:18
  Trump
• 7:19
  looked
• 7:19
  at
• 7:19
  the
• 7:19
  world.
• 7:20
  And
• 7:21
  you
• 7:21
  know,
• 7:21
  mind
• 7:21
  you,
• 7:21
  there's
• 7:22
  some
• 7:22
  things
• 7:23
  that,
• 7:24
  there
• 7:24
  are
• 7:25
  some
• 7:25
  really
• 7:26
  important
• 7:26
  things
• 7:27
  that
• 7:27
  he's
• 7:27
  pointing
• 7:28
  out.
• 7:28
  I
• 7:28
  think
• 7:29
  there's
• 7:30
  some
• 7:30
  things
• 7:31
  where
• 7:31
  the
• 7:32
  left
• 7:32
  has
• 7:32
  really
• 7:33
  gone
• 7:33
  sideways
• 7:34
  and
• 7:34
  that
• 7:35
  needs
• 7:35
  to
• 7:35
  be
• 7:35
  talked
• 7:35
  about
• 7:36
  so
• 7:36
  that
• 7:36
  we
• 7:37
  can
• 7:37
  understand
• 7:39
  why
• 7:39
  he's
• 7:40
  getting
• 7:40
  a
• 7:40
  lot
• 7:40
  of
• 7:40
  support.
• 7:41
  But
• 7:41
  to
• 7:42
  bring
• 7:42
  back
• 7:42
  home
• 7:43
  to
• 7:43
  what
• 7:43
  Roger
• 7:44
  said,
• 7:44
  I
• 7:44
  thought
• 7:44
  that
• 7:44
  this
• 7:45
  was
• 7:45
  really
• 7:45
  interesting.
• 7:46
  They
• 7:46
  were
• 7:47
  describing
• 7:47
  in
• 7:48
  spiral
• 7:48
  dynamics,
• 7:49
  colors,
• 7:50
  the
• 7:50
  color
• 7:50
  red
• 7:51
  and
• 7:51
  the
• 7:52
  perspective
• 7:52
  of
• 7:52
  red.
• 7:53
  And
• 7:54
  I
• 7:54
  think
• 7:54
  that.
• 7:55
  Which
• 7:55
  is
• 7:55
  what,
• 7:55
  Mark?
• 7:56
  Red.
• 7:56
  This
• 7:57
  perspective
• 7:57
  that
• 7:57
  like
• 7:58
  life
• 7:58
  is
• 7:58
  a
• 7:58
  jungle,
• 7:59
  that
• 7:59
  it's
• 8:00
  kind
• 8:00
  of
• 8:01
  us
• 8:01
  versus
• 8:02
  them.
• 8:02
  It's
• 8:03
  a
• 8:03
  perspective
• 8:04
  that
• 8:04
  there
• 8:04
  are
• 8:05
  winners
• 8:05
  and
• 8:05
  there
• 8:06
  are
• 8:06
  losers.
• 8:07
  And
• 8:08
  so,
• 8:08
  you
• 8:09
  know,
• 8:09
  it's
• 8:09
  really
• 8:10
  considered
• 8:10
  a
• 8:11
  pre
• 8:11
  Enlightenment
• 8:12
  perspective
• 8:13
  of
• 8:14
  reality.
• 8:16
  So,
• 8:16
  Mark,
• 8:17
  let's
• 8:17
  clarify.
• 8:18
  You're
• 8:18
  talking
• 8:18
  about
• 8:18
  spiral
• 8:19
  dynamics,
• 8:19
  which
• 8:20
  is
• 8:20
  one
• 8:20
  map
• 8:20
  of
• 8:21
  adult
• 8:21
  development,
• 8:22
  and
• 8:22
  you're
• 8:23
  pointing
• 8:23
  to
• 8:23
  a
• 8:23
  particular
• 8:24
  stage
• 8:24
  within
• 8:25
  that
• 8:25
  and
• 8:26
  the
• 8:26
  color
• 8:27
  red.
• 8:27
  You
• 8:27
  said
• 8:29
  the
• 8:30
  stage
• 8:30
  map
• 8:30
  is
• 8:30
  often
• 8:31
  associated
• 8:32
  with
• 8:32
  colors,
• 8:32
  but
• 8:33
  this
• 8:33
  stage
• 8:34
  is
• 8:35
  an
• 8:35
  early
• 8:36
  stage,
• 8:36
  a
• 8:36
  pre
• 8:37
  conventional
• 8:37
  stage.
• 8:39
  So
• 8:39
  tell
• 8:39
  us
• 8:40
  more.
• 8:40
  Yeah,
• 8:41
  so
• 8:41
  it's
• 8:41
  a
• 8:42
  certainly
• 8:42
  a
• 8:42
  pre
• 8:43
  Enlightenment,
• 8:43
  pre,
• 8:44
  you
• 8:44
  know,
• 8:45
  science,
• 8:46
  pre
• 8:47
  democratic
• 8:48
  rule,
• 8:48
  pre
• 8:49
  rule
• 8:49
  of
• 8:49
  law.
• 8:50
  It's
• 8:50
  quite
• 8:50
  a,
• 8:51
  you
• 8:51
  know,
• 8:52
  winners
• 8:52
  and
• 8:52
  losers,
• 8:53
  quite
• 8:53
  authoritarian.
• 8:54
  It's
• 8:55
  quite
• 8:55
  controlling
• 8:56
  of
• 8:56
  the
• 8:56
  people
• 8:57
  and
• 8:57
  accumulating
• 8:58
  power.
• 8:59
  Yeah,
• 8:59
  it's
• 9:00
  really
• 9:00
  about
• 9:00
  power.
• 9:01
  Yeah.
• 9:01
  Yeah.
• 9:02
  I
• 9:02
  can
• 9:02
  just
• 9:03
  maybe
• 9:03
  another
• 9:03
  clarification,
• 9:04
  a
• 9:05
  couple
• 9:05
  of
• 9:05
  other
• 9:05
  maps.
• 9:06
  It's
• 9:06
  called
• 9:06
  self
• 9:07
  centric.
• 9:08
  Yes.
• 9:08
  And
• 9:09
  also
• 9:10
  opportunistic.
• 9:11
  So
• 9:11
  maybe
• 9:11
  those
• 9:11
  words
• 9:12
  help
• 9:12
  clarify.
• 9:13
  No,
• 9:13
  that's
• 9:13
  wonderful.
• 9:14
  So
• 9:15
  I
• 9:15
  just
• 9:15
  wanted
• 9:15
  to
• 9:15
  read
• 9:16
  a
• 9:16
  little
• 9:16
  passage
• 9:17
  from
• 9:17
  it
• 9:17
  because
• 9:18
  I
• 9:18
  think
• 9:18
  it
• 9:19
  brings
• 9:19
  some
• 9:19
  clarity,
• 9:20
  at
• 9:20
  least
• 9:20
  to
• 9:22
  partially
• 9:22
  how
• 9:23
  I
• 9:23
  think
• 9:23
  President
• 9:24
  Trump
• 9:25
  sees
• 9:25
  things.
• 9:26
  And
• 9:26
  I'll
• 9:26
  read
• 9:26
  another
• 9:26
  quote
• 9:27
  that
• 9:27
  he
• 9:28
  said
• 9:28
  on
• 9:29
  Memorial
• 9:29
  Day
• 9:29
  that
• 9:30
  I
• 9:30
  think
• 9:30
  kind
• 9:30
  of
• 9:30
  reflects
• 9:31
  this.
• 9:31
  So,
• 9:32
  you
• 9:32
  know,
• 9:33
  this
• 9:34
  section
• 9:34
  is
• 9:34
  called
• 9:34
  Life
• 9:35
  is
• 9:35
  a
• 9:35
  Jungle.
• 9:36
  Simply
• 9:37
  put,
• 9:37
  Living
• 9:37
  in
• 9:37
  red
• 9:38
  zone
• 9:38
  is
• 9:38
  like
• 9:39
  survival
• 9:39
  in
• 9:39
  the
• 9:40
  jungle.
• 9:40
  The
• 9:41
  weak
• 9:41
  will
• 9:41
  lose,
• 9:42
  and
• 9:42
  they
• 9:42
  deserve
• 9:43
  to
• 9:43
  because
• 9:44
  they're
• 9:44
  weak.
• 9:45
  Each
• 9:45
  person
• 9:46
  is
• 9:46
  an
• 9:46
  island,
• 9:47
  though
• 9:47
  they
• 9:47
  can
• 9:47
  draw
• 9:47
  together
• 9:48
  for
• 9:48
  strength
• 9:48
  when
• 9:49
  it
• 9:49
  is
• 9:49
  mutually
• 9:49
  useful.
• 9:50
  When
• 9:50
  no
• 9:51
  longer
• 9:51
  convenient,
• 9:52
  the
• 9:52
  red
• 9:52
  groups
• 9:53
  fragment
• 9:53
  and
• 9:53
  relationships
• 9:54
  are
• 9:54
  cast
• 9:55
  aside.
• 9:55
  Loyalty
• 9:56
  is
• 9:56
  transitory.
• 9:57
  It's
• 9:58
  a
• 9:58
  world
• 9:58
  of
• 9:58
  victims
• 9:59
  and
• 9:59
  predators,
• 10:00
  eaters
• 10:00
  and
• 10:01
  eaten.
• 10:02
  And,
• 10:03
  you
• 10:03
  know,
• 10:03
  if
• 10:03
  you
• 10:04
  follow
• 10:05
  President
• 10:05
  Trump
• 10:06
  on
• 10:06
  truth
• 10:07
  social,
• 10:08
  there
• 10:08
  is
• 10:08
  a
• 10:08
  great
• 10:08
  deal
• 10:09
  of
• 10:09
  rhetoric
• 10:09
  that
• 10:10
  reflects
• 10:11
  that.
• 10:11
  And
• 10:12
  I
• 10:12
  certainly
• 10:12
  don't
• 10:13
  want
• 10:13
  to
• 10:13
  say
• 10:14
  that
• 10:14
  his
• 10:14
  worldview
• 10:15
  just
• 10:16
  fits
• 10:17
  that,
• 10:17
  but
• 10:18
  it's
• 10:18
  a
• 10:18
  strong
• 10:19
  part
• 10:20
  of
• 10:20
  how
• 10:21
  he
• 10:22
  sees
• 10:22
  relationships,
• 10:23
  he
• 10:23
  sees
• 10:24
  enemies
• 10:25
  and
• 10:25
  a
• 10:25
  great
• 10:26
  deal
• 10:26
  of
• 10:26
  what
• 10:26
  he's
• 10:26
  doing
• 10:27
  right
• 10:27
  now.
• 10:28
  And
• 10:28
  he
• 10:28
  promised
• 10:29
  this,
• 10:30
  this
• 10:30
  wasn't
• 10:30
  hidden.
• 10:31
  He
• 10:31
  promised
• 10:32
  us
• 10:32
  that
• 10:32
  on
• 10:32
  day
• 10:33
  one
• 10:34
  he
• 10:34
  was
• 10:34
  going
• 10:34
  to
• 10:35
  do
• 10:35
  retribution
• 10:36
  and
• 10:37
  go
• 10:37
  after
• 10:37
  those
• 10:38
  that
• 10:39
  he
• 10:39
  felt
• 10:40
  did
• 10:40
  him
• 10:40
  wrong.
• 10:41
  And
• 10:41
  he
• 10:42
  said
• 10:42
  there
• 10:42
  will
• 10:42
  be
• 10:42
  blood.
• 10:43
  And
• 10:43
  he
• 10:43
  promised
• 10:44
  that.
• 10:44
  And
• 10:44
  so,
• 10:45
  and
• 10:46
  we've
• 10:46
  seen
• 10:46
  that
• 10:46
  play
• 10:47
  out
• 10:47
  through
• 10:48
  whether
• 10:48
  it's
• 10:49
  going
• 10:49
  after
• 10:49
  law
• 10:49
  firms,
• 10:50
  universities,
• 10:51
  the
• 10:51
  press,
• 10:52
  we
• 10:52
  can
• 10:53
  talk
• 10:53
  about
• 10:53
  all
• 10:53
  those
• 10:53
  different
• 10:54
  pieces.
• 10:54
  But
• 10:55
  you
• 10:55
  know,
• 10:55
  just
• 10:56
  to
• 10:56
  kind
• 10:57
  of
• 10:57
  bring
• 10:57
  that
• 10:57
  quote
• 10:58
  home,
• 10:59
  you
• 11:00
  know,
• 11:00
  he
• 11:00
  said
• 11:00
  that
• 11:01
  on
• 11:01
  Memorial
• 11:02
  Day,
• 11:02
  he
• 11:02
  sent
• 11:02
  out
• 11:02
  a
• 11:03
  message,
• 11:03
  kind
• 11:04
  of
• 11:04
  reflects
• 11:05
  this
• 11:05
  political
• 11:05
  tribalism
• 11:07
  that
• 11:07
  happy
• 11:08
  Memorial
• 11:08
  Day
• 11:08
  to
• 11:09
  all,
• 11:09
  including
• 11:09
  the
• 11:10
  scum
• 11:10
  that
• 11:11
  spent
• 11:11
  the
• 11:11
  last
• 11:11
  four
• 11:11
  years
• 11:12
  trying
• 11:12
  to
• 11:12
  destroy
• 11:13
  our
• 11:13
  country.
• 11:14
  And
• 11:14
  he
• 11:14
  went
• 11:15
  on,
• 11:16
  but,
• 11:16
  you
• 11:17
  know,
• 11:17
  I
• 11:17
  think
• 11:17
  that
• 11:17
  that
• 11:19
  kind
• 11:19
  of
• 11:19
  gives
• 11:20
  us
• 11:20
  a
• 11:20
  glimpse
• 11:21
  into,
• 11:22
  into
• 11:22
  his
• 11:23
  state
• 11:23
  of
• 11:23
  mind
• 11:24
  and
• 11:25
  why,
• 11:26
  you
• 11:26
  know,
• 11:26
  he
• 11:27
  doesn't
• 11:27
  necessarily
• 11:28
  honor,
• 11:29
  but
• 11:30
  we
• 11:30
  describe
• 11:31
  as
• 11:31
  the
• 11:31
  rule
• 11:31
  of
• 11:31
  law.
• 11:32
  You
• 11:33
  know,
• 11:33
  the
• 11:33
  rule
• 11:34
  of
• 11:34
  law,
• 11:35
  you
• 11:35
  know,
• 11:35
  is
• 11:35
  this
• 11:36
  principle
• 11:37
  that
• 11:37
  we
• 11:38
  followed
• 11:38
  where
• 11:38
  all
• 11:39
  individuals
• 11:39
  and
• 11:40
  institutions
• 11:40
  are
• 11:41
  accountable
• 11:42
  to
• 11:42
  the
• 11:42
  law
• 11:43
  and
• 11:44
  that
• 11:44
  there
• 11:44
  are
• 11:45
  equal
• 11:45
  protections
• 11:46
  for
• 11:46
  all
• 11:46
  of
• 11:47
  us
• 11:48
  and
• 11:48
  we're
• 11:48
  all
• 11:48
  accountable
• 11:49
  to
• 11:49
  it.
• 11:51
  That's
• 11:52
  not
• 11:52
  how,
• 11:54
  based
• 11:54
  on
• 11:54
  the
• 11:54
  quote
• 11:55
  that
• 11:55
  I
• 11:55
  shared
• 11:55
  with
• 11:55
  you
• 11:56
  at
• 11:56
  the
• 11:56
  start,
• 11:57
  that's
• 11:57
  not
• 11:57
  really
• 11:58
  how
• 11:58
  President
• 11:58
  Trump
• 11:59
  is
• 11:59
  choosing
• 12:00
  to
• 12:00
  look
• 12:00
  at
• 12:01
  the
• 12:01
  reality
• 12:02
  of
• 12:02
  our
• 12:02
  situation,
• 12:04
  to
• 12:05
  honor
• 12:05
  the
• 12:05
  rule
• 12:05
  of
• 12:06
  law.
• 12:06
  It's
• 12:06
  a
• 12:06
  hard
• 12:06
  earned
• 12:07
  process
• 12:07
  that
• 12:08
  these
• 12:08
  are
• 12:08
  stages
• 12:10
  of
• 12:10
  development
• 12:10
  where
• 12:11
  we've
• 12:11
  worked
• 12:12
  for
• 12:13
  hundreds
• 12:13
  of
• 12:13
  years
• 12:14
  to
• 12:14
  develop
• 12:14
  this,
• 12:15
  you
• 12:15
  know,
• 12:16
  our
• 12:16
  oldest
• 12:16
  democracy,
• 12:18
  where
• 12:18
  we
• 12:18
  have
• 12:19
  institutions
• 12:19
  that
• 12:20
  are
• 12:20
  built
• 12:20
  to
• 12:21
  honor
• 12:21
  the
• 12:21
  rule
• 12:22
  of
• 12:22
  law.
• 12:22
  And
• 12:23
  that
• 12:23
  rule
• 12:23
  of
• 12:24
  law,
• 12:24
  that
• 12:25
  idea
• 12:25
  is
• 12:25
  under
• 12:26
  attack,
• 12:26
  direct
• 12:27
  attack
• 12:28
  at
• 12:28
  this
• 12:28
  time
• 12:28
  in
• 12:29
  our
• 12:29
  country.
• 12:29
  And
• 12:29
  that
• 12:30
  is
• 12:31
  scary
• 12:31
  because
• 12:32
  we
• 12:33
  need
• 12:33
  this
• 12:33
  democratic
• 12:34
  foundation
• 12:35
  to
• 12:36
  move
• 12:36
  to
• 12:36
  deeper
• 12:37
  levels
• 12:38
  that
• 12:39
  are
• 12:39
  post
• 12:39
  democratic,
• 12:40
  that
• 12:41
  are
• 12:41
  reflective
• 12:42
  of
• 12:42
  greater
• 12:43
  levels
• 12:43
  of
• 12:43
  interconnection,
• 12:44
  greater
• 12:45
  levels
• 12:46
  of
• 12:46
  the
• 12:46
  allowance
• 12:47
  of
• 12:47
  voices
• 12:48
  to
• 12:48
  be
• 12:48
  heard
• 12:49
  and
• 12:49
  to
• 12:49
  participate
• 12:50
  in
• 12:51
  a
• 12:51
  way
• 12:51
  where
• 12:52
  it's
• 12:52
  more
• 12:52
  inclusive
• 12:53
  than
• 12:54
  our
• 12:54
  democratic
• 12:55
  process
• 12:55
  even
• 12:55
  currently
• 12:56
  is.
• 12:56
  And
• 12:57
  so
• 12:57
  a
• 12:57
  lot
• 12:58
  is
• 12:58
  at
• 12:58
  stake
• 12:58
  And
• 12:59
  I'll
• 12:59
  stop
• 12:59
  there
• 12:59
  and
• 13:00
  see
• 13:00
  where
• 13:00
  you
• 13:00
  want
• 13:00
  to
• 13:00
  go.
• 13:01
  Kind
• 13:01
  of
• 13:01
  try
• 13:02
  to
• 13:02
  summarize
• 13:03
  what
• 13:03
  you're
• 13:03
  saying
• 13:03
  here,
• 13:04
  Mark,
• 13:05
  because
• 13:05
  it
• 13:05
  feels
• 13:05
  like
• 13:06
  you've
• 13:06
  given
• 13:06
  us
• 13:07
  so
• 13:07
  much.
• 13:07
  And
• 13:08
  I'd
• 13:08
  just
• 13:08
  like
• 13:08
  to
• 13:09
  orient.
• 13:10
  What
• 13:10
  I
• 13:10
  hear
• 13:10
  you
• 13:10
  doing
• 13:11
  is
• 13:12
  putting
• 13:12
  the
• 13:13
  current
• 13:13
  political
• 13:14
  situation
• 13:15
  in
• 13:15
  the
• 13:15
  Trump
• 13:15
  administration
• 13:16
  and
• 13:16
  the
• 13:17
  values
• 13:18
  and
• 13:18
  beliefs
• 13:19
  that
• 13:19
  are
• 13:19
  operating
• 13:19
  there
• 13:20
  and
• 13:20
  underlie
• 13:21
  it
• 13:21
  in
• 13:21
  a
• 13:21
  developmental
• 13:22
  context.
• 13:23
  You're
• 13:23
  saying
• 13:23
  that
• 13:24
  this,
• 13:25
  these
• 13:25
  attitudes,
• 13:26
  these
• 13:26
  perspectives,
• 13:27
  these
• 13:28
  beliefs
• 13:28
  and
• 13:29
  values
• 13:29
  and
• 13:30
  the
• 13:30
  resultant
• 13:31
  political
• 13:31
  actions
• 13:32
  are
• 13:32
  a
• 13:33
  reflection
• 13:34
  of
• 13:34
  a
• 13:35
  particular
• 13:36
  psychological
• 13:36
  developmental
• 13:37
  stage.
• 13:38
  And
• 13:38
  it's
• 13:38
  a
• 13:39
  relatively
• 13:39
  early,
• 13:40
  pre
• 13:40
  conventional
• 13:41
  stage.
• 13:41
  We've
• 13:42
  given
• 13:42
  it
• 13:42
  several
• 13:43
  names,
• 13:44
  opportunistic,
• 13:45
  self
• 13:45
  centric
• 13:47
  power
• 13:48
  motives.
• 13:49
  And
• 13:50
  that's
• 13:50
  what,
• 13:51
  if
• 13:51
  we
• 13:51
  look
• 13:51
  deeply
• 13:52
  enough,
• 13:53
  the
• 13:53
  fundamental
• 13:54
  psychological
• 13:55
  structure
• 13:56
  from
• 13:57
  which
• 13:57
  so
• 13:58
  much
• 13:58
  of
• 13:59
  what
• 13:59
  is
• 14:00
  disconcerting
• 14:01
  in
• 14:01
  the
• 14:01
  political
• 14:02
  arena
• 14:03
  is
• 14:03
  coming
• 14:04
  from
• 14:05
  is
• 14:05
  a
• 14:05
  particular
• 14:06
  developmental
• 14:06
  stage.
• 14:07
  Does
• 14:07
  that
• 14:08
  feel
• 14:08
  right?
• 14:08
  Yeah,
• 14:09
  yeah,
• 14:09
  I
• 14:09
  think
• 14:09
  that's
• 14:10
  great.
• 14:11
  That's
• 14:11
  well
• 14:11
  said.
• 14:12
  I
• 14:12
  want
• 14:12
  to
• 14:12
  be
• 14:13
  clear
• 14:13
  that
• 14:14
  there
• 14:14
  are
• 14:14
  other
• 14:15
  aspects
• 14:15
  and
• 14:16
  other
• 14:16
  stages
• 14:17
  that
• 14:17
  are
• 14:17
  being
• 14:18
  implemented
• 14:19
  in
• 14:19
  terms
• 14:20
  of
• 14:20
  what
• 14:21
  President
• 14:22
  Trump
• 14:22
  is
• 14:22
  trying
• 14:23
  to
• 14:23
  accomplish,
• 14:24
  but
• 14:24
  certainly
• 14:25
  in
• 14:25
  terms
• 14:25
  of
• 14:26
  his
• 14:26
  worldview,
• 14:26
  in
• 14:27
  terms
• 14:27
  of
• 14:27
  how
• 14:27
  he
• 14:27
  sees
• 14:28
  others
• 14:29
  that
• 14:29
  aren't
• 14:30
  in
• 14:31
  relation
• 14:31
  or
• 14:32
  don't
• 14:32
  agree
• 14:33
  with
• 14:33
  his
• 14:33
  point
• 14:33
  of
• 14:33
  view.
• 14:34
  Yeah,
• 14:34
  it
• 14:35
  really
• 14:35
  is
• 14:35
  this
• 14:35
  zero
• 14:36
  sum
• 14:36
  game
• 14:37
  of
• 14:37
  winners
• 14:37
  and
• 14:38
  losers,
• 14:38
  really.
• 14:39
  That's
• 14:39
  how
• 14:40
  he
• 14:40
  speaks
• 14:40
  almost
• 14:41
  every
• 14:41
  day.
• 14:42
  And
• 14:42
  when
• 14:42
  you,
• 14:42
  when
• 14:43
  he
• 14:43
  was
• 14:43
  talking
• 14:44
  Memorial
• 14:44
  Day
• 14:44
  and
• 14:45
  he
• 14:45
  referred
• 14:45
  to
• 14:45
  the
• 14:45
  prior
• 14:46
  administration
• 14:46
  or
• 14:47
  people
• 14:47
  that
• 14:48
  don't
• 14:48
  agree
• 14:49
  with
• 14:49
  him
• 14:49
  as
• 14:49
  scum,
• 14:50
  that's
• 14:51
  very
• 14:52
  redolent
• 14:53
  of
• 14:53
  Nazis.
• 14:54
  The
• 14:54
  way
• 14:54
  they
• 14:55
  talked
• 14:55
  about
• 14:55
  Jews.
• 14:56
  They
• 14:56
  were
• 14:56
  less
• 14:56
  than
• 14:57
  human,
• 14:58
  you
• 14:58
  know,
• 14:58
  they
• 14:58
  were
• 14:58
  cockroaches,
• 14:59
  they
• 14:59
  were
• 14:59
  scum.
• 15:00
  They
• 15:00
  need
• 15:00
  to
• 15:00
  be
• 15:01
  done
• 15:01
  away
• 15:01
  with.
• 15:01
  And
• 15:01
  just
• 15:02
  to
• 15:02
  bring
• 15:02
  that
• 15:03
  language
• 15:04
  into
• 15:05
  the
• 15:05
  body
• 15:06
  politic
• 15:06
  and
• 15:06
  speak
• 15:07
  from
• 15:07
  that
• 15:07
  level,
• 15:08
  I
• 15:08
  mean,
• 15:09
  it's
• 15:10
  really,
• 15:10
  really
• 15:11
  frightening.
• 15:12
  And
• 15:12
  I
• 15:12
  think
• 15:12
  we
• 15:12
  become
• 15:13
  so
• 15:13
  used
• 15:13
  to
• 15:14
  these
• 15:14
  like
• 15:14
  every
• 15:15
  day
• 15:15
  some
• 15:15
  new
• 15:16
  abomination
• 15:16
  that
• 15:16
  we
• 15:16
  get
• 15:17
  numb
• 15:17
  to
• 15:17
  it.
• 15:17
  You
• 15:18
  know,
• 15:18
  it's
• 15:18
  just,
• 15:18
  oh,
• 15:19
  he's
• 15:19
  just
• 15:19
  being
• 15:19
  himself
• 15:20
  and
• 15:20
  haha.
• 15:21
  Or
• 15:21
  whatever.
• 15:21
  I
• 15:22
  don't.
• 15:22
  But
• 15:22
  it's
• 15:23
  really,
• 15:24
  really
• 15:24
  frightening.
• 15:25
  And
• 15:25
  it
• 15:25
  says
• 15:26
  a
• 15:26
  lot
• 15:26
  about
• 15:26
  what
• 15:27
  level
• 15:27
  of
• 15:27
  consciousness
• 15:28
  that
• 15:28
  Donald
• 15:29
  Trump
• 15:30
  comes
• 15:30
  from.
• 15:30
  And
• 15:31
  the
• 15:31
  shocker
• 15:32
  is
• 15:32
  it
• 15:32
  appeals
• 15:32
  to
• 15:33
  people.
• 15:33
  Yeah,
• 15:34
  it's
• 15:35
  really
• 15:35
  the
• 15:36
  opposite
• 15:36
  of
• 15:37
  the
• 15:37
  I
• 15:37
  thou
• 15:37
  relationship
• 15:38
  that
• 15:38
  Martin
• 15:39
  Buber
• 15:40
  talked
• 15:40
  about
• 15:40
  that
• 15:41
  Dr.
• 15:41
  King
• 15:41
  quoted
• 15:42
  in
• 15:43
  his
• 15:43
  Letter
• 15:43
  from
• 15:43
  the
• 15:44
  Birmingham
• 15:44
  Jail.
• 15:45
  This,
• 15:45
  you
• 15:46
  know,
• 15:46
  treating
• 15:46
  people
• 15:47
  as
• 15:47
  it's.
• 15:48
  And
• 15:48
  when
• 15:48
  you
• 15:49
  do
• 15:49
  that,
• 15:49
  you
• 15:49
  dehumanize
• 15:50
  someone
• 15:50
  to
• 15:51
  the
• 15:51
  point
• 15:51
  where
• 15:51
  you
• 15:51
  can
• 15:52
  commit
• 15:52
  barbarous
• 15:53
  acts
• 15:54
  against
• 15:54
  those
• 15:54
  human
• 15:55
  souls.
• 15:55
  And
• 15:56
  it
• 15:56
  is
• 15:57
  quite
• 15:57
  scary.
• 15:57
  And
• 15:58
  it's,
• 15:58
  you
• 15:58
  know,
• 15:59
  it's
• 15:59
  A
• 15:59
  part
• 15:59
  of
• 15:59
  us.
• 15:59
  Right.
• 16:00
  This,
• 16:00
  this
• 16:01
  idea,
• 16:01
  you
• 16:02
  know,
• 16:02
  as
• 16:02
  you
• 16:02
  mentioned,
• 16:03
  Roger,
• 16:03
  I'm
• 16:03
  a
• 16:04
  teacher
• 16:04
  at
• 16:04
  a
• 16:05
  university
• 16:05
  and
• 16:06
  I
• 16:06
  teach
• 16:07
  ethics
• 16:07
  part
• 16:07
  of
• 16:07
  the
• 16:08
  time
• 16:08
  constitutional
• 16:09
  law
• 16:09
  and
• 16:09
  criminal
• 16:10
  procedure.
• 16:10
  And.
• 16:11
  But
• 16:11
  you
• 16:12
  know,
• 16:12
  when
• 16:13
  we
• 16:13
  look
• 16:13
  at
• 16:13
  criminal
• 16:13
  justice
• 16:14
  in
• 16:15
  terms
• 16:15
  of
• 16:15
  punishment,
• 16:16
  you
• 16:17
  know,
• 16:17
  the
• 16:17
  one
• 16:17
  that
• 16:18
  is
• 16:18
  most
• 16:18
  reformed,
• 16:19
  reflexive
• 16:19
  of
• 16:20
  kind
• 16:20
  of
• 16:20
  like
• 16:21
  that
• 16:21
  basic
• 16:22
  nature
• 16:23
  is
• 16:23
  retribution.
• 16:24
  And
• 16:24
  that's
• 16:24
  what
• 16:25
  Trump
• 16:25
  talked
• 16:26
  about
• 16:26
  from
• 16:26
  day
• 16:27
  one,
• 16:27
  that
• 16:28
  he
• 16:28
  was
• 16:28
  going
• 16:28
  to
• 16:28
  commit
• 16:29
  retribution.
• 16:29
  And,
• 16:30
  and
• 16:30
  there
• 16:30
  is
• 16:31
  no
• 16:31
  rational
• 16:32
  thinking
• 16:32
  in
• 16:33
  relation
• 16:33
  to
• 16:34
  Roe.
• 16:35
  There
• 16:35
  is
• 16:35
  no
• 16:35
  utilitarian
• 16:38
  act
• 16:38
  that
• 16:39
  comes
• 16:39
  from
• 16:39
  retribution.
• 16:40
  It's
• 16:40
  just
• 16:41
  you're
• 16:41
  supposed
• 16:41
  to
• 16:41
  get
• 16:42
  what
• 16:42
  I
• 16:42
  think
• 16:42
  you're
• 16:42
  supposed
• 16:43
  to
• 16:43
  get.
• 16:43
  It's
• 16:44
  very
• 16:44
  eye
• 16:44
  for
• 16:45
  an
• 16:45
  eye
• 16:46
  kind
• 16:46
  of
• 16:46
  idea.
• 16:47
  And
• 16:47
  that's
• 16:48
  really
• 16:48
  how
• 16:48
  he
• 16:48
  sees
• 16:49
  his
• 16:49
  so
• 16:50
  called
• 16:50
  enemies.
• 16:50
  And
• 16:51
  it's
• 16:51
  really
• 16:51
  the
• 16:51
  opposite
• 16:52
  of
• 16:53
  a
• 16:53
  higher
• 16:53
  level
• 16:53
  of
• 16:54
  consciousness
• 16:54
  that
• 16:54
  sees
• 16:55
  the
• 16:55
  interconnection
• 16:56
  of
• 16:56
  all
• 16:56
  beings
• 16:57
  and
• 16:57
  the
• 16:57
  oneness
• 16:58
  that
• 16:59
  we
• 16:59
  share.
• 17:00
  The,
• 17:00
  the
• 17:00
  idea,
• 17:01
  as
• 17:01
  Dr.
• 17:02
  King
• 17:02
  talked
• 17:02
  about,
• 17:03
  that
• 17:03
  an
• 17:03
  injustice
• 17:04
  anywhere
• 17:04
  is
• 17:04
  a
• 17:04
  threat
• 17:04
  to
• 17:05
  justice
• 17:05
  everywhere.
• 17:06
  And
• 17:06
  that
• 17:07
  those
• 17:07
  notions
• 17:08
  are
• 17:09
  obsolete
• 17:10
  in
• 17:10
  the
• 17:10
  current
• 17:10
  administration.
• 17:11
  It's
• 17:12
  about
• 17:12
  our
• 17:12
  homeland.
• 17:13
  It's
• 17:13
  kind
• 17:14
  of
• 17:14
  more
• 17:14
  of
• 17:14
  a
• 17:14
  reflective
• 17:15
  of
• 17:16
  older
• 17:17
  European
• 17:17
  notion
• 17:18
  that
• 17:18
  you
• 17:19
  take
• 17:19
  care
• 17:19
  of
• 17:19
  your
• 17:20
  particular
• 17:21
  people
• 17:22
  based
• 17:22
  on
• 17:22
  the
• 17:22
  confines
• 17:23
  of
• 17:23
  the
• 17:23
  landmines
• 17:24
  that
• 17:25
  were
• 17:25
  developed
• 17:26
  and
• 17:26
  the
• 17:26
  history
• 17:27
  of
• 17:28
  your
• 17:28
  particular
• 17:29
  people.
• 17:30
  And
• 17:30
  our
• 17:30
  nation
• 17:30
  has
• 17:31
  been
• 17:31
  built
• 17:31
  on
• 17:32
  something
• 17:32
  very
• 17:32
  different
• 17:33
  than
• 17:33
  that.
• 17:34
  We're
• 17:34
  built
• 17:35
  on
• 17:35
  ideas
• 17:36
  on
• 17:36
  a
• 17:36
  purpose.
• 17:36
  And
• 17:37
  that's
• 17:38
  what
• 17:38
  we
• 17:38
  started
• 17:38
  with
• 17:38
  the
• 17:39
  Declaration
• 17:39
  of
• 17:39
  Independence.
• 17:41
  That's
• 17:41
  what
• 17:41
  we
• 17:42
  moved,
• 17:42
  we
• 17:42
  were
• 17:42
  so
• 17:43
  moved
• 17:43
  by
• 17:44
  the
• 17:44
  Declaration
• 17:45
  of
• 17:45
  Independence
• 17:45
  and
• 17:45
  then
• 17:46
  the
• 17:46
  Gettysburg
• 17:47
  Address
• 17:47
  and
• 17:48
  then
• 17:48
  moved
• 17:49
  to
• 17:50
  higher
• 17:50
  purposes
• 17:51
  with
• 17:51
  Dr.
• 17:51
  King's
• 17:52
  letter
• 17:52
  from
• 17:52
  the
• 17:52
  Birmingham
• 17:52
  jail,
• 17:53
  which
• 17:53
  is
• 17:54
  an
• 17:54
  incredible
• 17:55
  document
• 17:56
  of
• 17:56
  the
• 17:56
  values
• 17:57
  of
• 17:57
  what
• 17:57
  it
• 17:57
  really
• 17:57
  truly
• 17:58
  means
• 17:58
  to
• 17:58
  be
• 17:58
  an
• 17:58
  American.
• 17:59
  Yeah.
• 17:59
  Lincoln's
• 18:00
  second
• 18:00
  inaugural
• 18:01
  address
• 18:01
  too
• 18:01
  should
• 18:02
  be
• 18:02
  put
• 18:03
  in
• 18:03
  that
• 18:03
  list.
• 18:04
  And
• 18:04
  I
• 18:04
  want
• 18:04
  to
• 18:05
  bring
• 18:05
  up
• 18:05
  something
• 18:05
  that
• 18:05
  just
• 18:06
  really
• 18:06
  shocked
• 18:07
  the
• 18:07
  hell
• 18:07
  out
• 18:07
  of
• 18:07
  me.
• 18:07
  No,
• 18:08
  it
• 18:08
  doesn't,
• 18:08
  doesn't
• 18:09
  shock
• 18:09
  me,
• 18:09
  but
• 18:10
  it
• 18:10
  makes
• 18:10
  me
• 18:11
  worry.
• 18:11
  This,
• 18:11
  this
• 18:12
  recent
• 18:12
  trip
• 18:12
  that
• 18:13
  he
• 18:13
  did
• 18:13
  to
• 18:13
  the,
• 18:14
  the
• 18:14
  oil
• 18:15
  rich
• 18:15
  states
• 18:15
  in
• 18:15
  the
• 18:16
  Middle
• 18:16
  east.
• 18:17
  And
• 18:17
  there
• 18:17
  is
• 18:17
  this
• 18:18
  thing
• 18:18
  in
• 18:18
  the
• 18:18
  Constitution
• 18:18
  called
• 18:19
  the
• 18:19
  emolument
• 18:19
  clause,
• 18:20
  foreign
• 18:20
  emolument
• 18:21
  clause
• 18:21
  that
• 18:21
  says
• 18:21
  it
• 18:21
  is
• 18:22
  not
• 18:22
  legal
• 18:23
  for
• 18:23
  you
• 18:24
  to
• 18:24
  get
• 18:24
  titles
• 18:25
  or
• 18:26
  gifts
• 18:26
  from
• 18:27
  foreign
• 18:28
  leaders
• 18:28
  and
• 18:28
  foreign
• 18:29
  governments
• 18:29
  unless
• 18:30
  it's
• 18:30
  approved
• 18:30
  by
• 18:30
  Congress.
• 18:31
  You
• 18:31
  know
• 18:31
  that
• 18:31
  that's
• 18:32
  the
• 18:32
  one
• 18:32
  way
• 18:32
  you
• 18:32
  can
• 18:32
  get
• 18:33
  out.
• 18:33
  But
• 18:33
  he
• 18:34
  went
• 18:34
  over
• 18:34
  there
• 18:34
  with
• 18:35
  his
• 18:35
  basket
• 18:35
  open
• 18:36
  and
• 18:36
  said,
• 18:36
  just
• 18:37
  put
• 18:37
  in
• 18:37
  the
• 18:37
  cash.
• 18:38
  By
• 18:38
  the
• 18:38
  way,
• 18:38
  that
• 18:39
  airplane
• 18:39
  I
• 18:39
  saw,
• 18:39
  I
• 18:40
  really,
• 18:40
  really
• 18:41
  want
• 18:41
  that.
• 18:42
  That
• 18:42
  didn't
• 18:42
  just
• 18:42
  come
• 18:43
  to
• 18:43
  their
• 18:43
  minds.
• 18:43
  Oh,
• 18:43
  we
• 18:43
  love
• 18:44
  you
• 18:44
  so
• 18:44
  much.
• 18:44
  We're
• 18:44
  going
• 18:44
  to
• 18:44
  give
• 18:45
  you
• 18:45
  a
• 18:45
  $400
• 18:45
  million
• 18:46
  airplane?
• 18:46
  No,
• 18:46
  that
• 18:47
  was
• 18:47
  like,
• 18:47
  bam.
• 18:48
  Oh.
• 18:48
  And
• 18:48
  it's
• 18:48
  a
• 18:48
  gift
• 18:49
  for
• 18:49
  the
• 18:49
  American
• 18:49
  people.
• 18:50
  And
• 18:50
  by
• 18:50
  the
• 18:51
  way,
• 18:51
  after
• 18:51
  I'm
• 18:51
  done,
• 18:51
  it'll
• 18:52
  go
• 18:52
  to
• 18:52
  the
• 18:52
  Trump
• 18:53
  library.
• 18:54
  You
• 18:54
  know,
• 18:55
  it'll
• 18:55
  follow
• 18:55
  me
• 18:56
  out
• 18:56
  of
• 18:56
  office.
• 18:57
  Seriously.
• 18:58
  He
• 18:58
  got
• 18:58
  2
• 18:59
  billion
• 18:59
  from,
• 18:59
  I
• 19:00
  think
• 19:00
  it
• 19:00
  was
• 19:01
  Qatar.
• 19:01
  I
• 19:01
  might
• 19:01
  be
• 19:02
  wrong.
• 19:02
  For
• 19:03
  his
• 19:03
  bitcoins
• 19:06
  company
• 19:06
  or
• 19:07
  scheme.
• 19:08
  Yeah.
• 19:08
  That
• 19:08
  his
• 19:08
  family's
• 19:09
  doing.
• 19:09
  And
• 19:10
  then
• 19:10
  there's
• 19:10
  other
• 19:11
  amounts
• 19:11
  of
• 19:11
  money
• 19:11
  where
• 19:11
  they're
• 19:12
  building
• 19:12
  towers,
• 19:13
  these
• 19:13
  rich
• 19:14
  oil
• 19:14
  rich
• 19:15
  nations,
• 19:16
  golf
• 19:16
  courses
• 19:17
  and
• 19:17
  all
• 19:17
  kind
• 19:17
  of
• 19:17
  things.
• 19:17
  We
• 19:18
  don't
• 19:18
  even
• 19:18
  know
• 19:18
  how
• 19:18
  much
• 19:19
  money
• 19:19
  that
• 19:19
  is.
• 19:20
  But
• 19:21
  shortly
• 19:21
  after
• 19:22
  that,
• 19:23
  Netanyahu
• 19:24
  came
• 19:24
  and
• 19:24
  visited
• 19:26
  Donald
• 19:26
  Trump
• 19:26
  at
• 19:27
  the
• 19:27
  White
• 19:27
  House.
• 19:27
  And
• 19:27
  I'm
• 19:28
  not
• 19:28
  a
• 19:28
  Netanyahu
• 19:29
  fan,
• 19:29
  but
• 19:30
  he
• 19:30
  completely
• 19:31
  said,
• 19:31
  nope.
• 19:32
  All
• 19:32
  the
• 19:32
  things
• 19:32
  that
• 19:32
  Netanyahu
• 19:33
  asked
• 19:33
  for,
• 19:34
  he
• 19:34
  said,
• 19:34
  I'm
• 19:34
  not
• 19:34
  going
• 19:34
  to
• 19:34
  do
• 19:35
  it.
• 19:35
  You
• 19:35
  can
• 19:35
  actually
• 19:35
  see
• 19:36
  how
• 19:36
  it's
• 19:37
  changed
• 19:37
  the
• 19:37
  foreign
• 19:38
  policy
• 19:38
  of
• 19:39
  the
• 19:39
  United
• 19:39
  States
• 19:39
  through
• 19:40
  all
• 19:40
  this
• 19:40
  cash
• 19:40
  that
• 19:40
  he's
• 19:41
  getting
• 19:41
  and
• 19:41
  gifts
• 19:42
  and
• 19:42
  nobody's
• 19:43
  really
• 19:43
  saying
• 19:44
  much,
• 19:45
  you
• 19:45
  know.
• 19:46
  Yeah.
• 19:46
  So
• 19:47
  let's
• 19:47
  grab.
• 19:48
  So
• 19:48
  you're.
• 19:48
  We're
• 19:49
  really
• 19:49
  talking
• 19:49
  about
• 19:50
  corruption.
• 19:51
  And
• 19:51
  this
• 19:52
  is
• 19:52
  something
• 19:52
  that
• 19:52
  our
• 19:53
  founders
• 19:55
  were
• 19:55
  keenly
• 19:55
  aware
• 19:56
  of,
• 19:56
  were
• 19:56
  tuned
• 19:57
  into
• 19:57
  and
• 19:58
  wrote
• 19:58
  in
• 19:59
  Federalist
• 19:59
  papers
• 20:00
  and
• 20:01
  wrote
• 20:02
  into
• 20:02
  our
• 20:02
  Constitution,
• 20:04
  some
• 20:04
  different
• 20:04
  language,
• 20:05
  some
• 20:05
  of
• 20:06
  which
• 20:06
  you
• 20:07
  just
• 20:07
  mentioned,
• 20:07
  John,
• 20:08
  to
• 20:08
  kind
• 20:09
  of
• 20:09
  protect
• 20:09
  us
• 20:10
  from
• 20:10
  that.
• 20:10
  So
• 20:11
  just
• 20:11
  a
• 20:12
  couple
• 20:12
  of
• 20:12
  examples.
• 20:13
  Article
• 20:13
  2,
• 20:13
  Section
• 20:14
  1
• 20:15
  of
• 20:15
  the
• 20:15
  Constitution.
• 20:16
  Article
• 20:16
  2
• 20:17
  is
• 20:18
  about
• 20:18
  executive
• 20:19
  power.
• 20:19
  So
• 20:19
  this
• 20:20
  is
• 20:20
  about
• 20:20
  the
• 20:20
  President
• 20:21
  and
• 20:22
  it
• 20:22
  said,
• 20:22
  you
• 20:22
  know,
• 20:23
  it
• 20:23
  made
• 20:23
  an
• 20:23
  absolute
• 20:24
  ban
• 20:24
  on
• 20:24
  domestic
• 20:25
  gifts
• 20:26
  to
• 20:26
  the
• 20:26
  President.
• 20:27
  You
• 20:28
  know,
• 20:28
  it
• 20:28
  says
• 20:28
  in
• 20:28
  section
• 20:29
  1,
• 20:29
  part
• 20:29
  1,
• 20:29
  he
• 20:30
  shall
• 20:30
  not
• 20:30
  receive
• 20:31
  any
• 20:31
  other
• 20:32
  amulets
• 20:33
  from
• 20:33
  the
• 20:33
  US
• 20:34
  and
• 20:35
  as
• 20:35
  you
• 20:35
  described,
• 20:36
  John,
• 20:36
  amulets
• 20:37
  are
• 20:38
  mean
• 20:38
  for
• 20:39
  profit
• 20:39
  or
• 20:39
  gain
• 20:40
  from
• 20:40
  station
• 20:41
  officer
• 20:41
  employment.
• 20:42
  And
• 20:42
  so
• 20:43
  boom,
• 20:43
  right
• 20:44
  there.
• 20:45
  And
• 20:45
  he's
• 20:45
  using.
• 20:46
  This
• 20:46
  is
• 20:46
  a
• 20:46
  new
• 20:46
  precedent
• 20:48
  for
• 20:48
  America
• 20:49
  using
• 20:50
  the
• 20:50
  office
• 20:50
  of
• 20:51
  President
• 20:51
  as
• 20:52
  a
• 20:52
  platform
• 20:52
  for
• 20:52
  personal
• 20:53
  gain
• 20:54
  and
• 20:54
  wealth.
• 20:54
  Right.
• 20:55
  That's
• 20:55
  right.
• 20:55
  That's.
• 20:57
  That's
• 20:57
  exactly
• 20:58
  what
• 20:58
  the
• 20:58
  Constitution
• 20:59
  was
• 20:59
  trying
• 20:59
  to
• 20:59
  protect
• 21:00
  us
• 21:00
  from.
• 21:00
  And
• 21:01
  not
• 21:01
  only
• 21:01
  does
• 21:01
  he
• 21:02
  do
• 21:02
  these
• 21:02
  things,
• 21:02
  he
• 21:02
  doesn't
• 21:03
  do
• 21:03
  it
• 21:03
  like
• 21:03
  sneakily,
• 21:04
  you
• 21:04
  know,
• 21:04
  he
• 21:05
  does
• 21:05
  it
• 21:05
  blatantly
• 21:06
  openly
• 21:06
  defies
• 21:07
  what
• 21:08
  the
• 21:08
  Founding
• 21:08
  Father
• 21:09
  said.
• 21:09
  Right.
• 21:10
  And
• 21:10
  there
• 21:10
  it
• 21:11
  is.
• 21:11
  I'm
• 21:11
  above
• 21:12
  the
• 21:12
  law.
• 21:13
  And
• 21:13
  so
• 21:14
  then
• 21:14
  there's
• 21:14
  the
• 21:14
  next
• 21:15
  Article
• 21:16
  1,
• 21:16
  which
• 21:16
  is
• 21:17
  about
• 21:17
  Congress
• 21:18
  and
• 21:18
  congressional
• 21:19
  power.
• 21:19
  Which
• 21:21
  where
• 21:21
  is
• 21:21
  Congress
• 21:22
  in
• 21:22
  all
• 21:22
  of
• 21:22
  this?
• 21:23
  Is
• 21:23
  a
• 21:23
  very
• 21:24
  important
• 21:25
  question.
• 21:25
  But
• 21:26
  Article
• 21:26
  1,
• 21:26
  Section
• 21:27
  9
• 21:27
  states,
• 21:28
  no
• 21:28
  person
• 21:29
  holding
• 21:29
  any
• 21:29
  office
• 21:30
  of
• 21:31
  profit
• 21:31
  or
• 21:32
  trust
• 21:32
  under
• 21:32
  them
• 21:33
  shall,
• 21:33
  without
• 21:33
  consent
• 21:34
  of
• 21:34
  Congress,
• 21:35
  accept
• 21:36
  of
• 21:36
  any
• 21:36
  present
• 21:37
  amulet,
• 21:38
  office
• 21:39
  or
• 21:39
  title
• 21:40
  of
• 21:40
  any
• 21:40
  kind
• 21:40
  from
• 21:41
  any
• 21:41
  king,
• 21:41
  prince
• 21:42
  or
• 21:42
  foreign
• 21:42
  state.
• 21:43
  And
• 21:44
  he
• 21:44
  certainly
• 21:44
  got
• 21:44
  that
• 21:45
  gift
• 21:46
  without
• 21:47
  congressional
• 21:48
  approval.
• 21:49
  And
• 21:49
  then
• 21:51
  about
• 21:51
  impeachment,
• 21:52
  this
• 21:53
  is
• 21:53
  really
• 21:53
  interesting.
• 21:55
  In
• 21:55
  Article
• 21:55
  2,
• 21:56
  which
• 21:56
  talks
• 21:57
  about
• 21:57
  impeachment
• 21:57
  for
• 21:58
  high
• 21:58
  crimes
• 21:58
  and
• 21:58
  misdemeanors,
• 21:59
  they
• 22:00
  only
• 22:00
  name
• 22:00
  two
• 22:01
  crimes.
• 22:01
  One
• 22:02
  of
• 22:02
  them
• 22:02
  is
• 22:02
  treason
• 22:04
  and
• 22:04
  then
• 22:04
  the
• 22:04
  other
• 22:05
  one
• 22:05
  is
• 22:05
  bribery.
• 22:07
  And
• 22:07
  you
• 22:07
  know,
• 22:08
  so
• 22:08
  bribery.
• 22:08
  So
• 22:09
  you
• 22:09
  were
• 22:09
  like,
• 22:09
  you
• 22:09
  know,
• 22:10
  what's
• 22:10
  going
• 22:10
  on?
• 22:10
  You
• 22:10
  describe
• 22:11
  the
• 22:11
  Qatari
• 22:12
  jet,
• 22:13
  we
• 22:13
  have
• 22:13
  the
• 22:13
  cryptocurrency
• 22:15
  investment.
• 22:16
  But
• 22:16
  also
• 22:17
  this
• 22:17
  started
• 22:18
  in
• 22:18
  2016.
• 22:19
  But
• 22:20
  when
• 22:20
  President,
• 22:21
  when
• 22:21
  people
• 22:22
  come
• 22:22
  to
• 22:23
  visit
• 22:23
  the
• 22:23
  United
• 22:23
  States,
• 22:24
  they're
• 22:25
  expected
• 22:25
  to
• 22:25
  stay
• 22:25
  at
• 22:26
  Trump
• 22:26
  Tower,
• 22:27
  excuse
• 22:28
  me,
• 22:28
  not
• 22:28
  just
• 22:28
  Trump,
• 22:28
  any
• 22:29
  of
• 22:29
  any
• 22:29
  of
• 22:29
  Trump's
• 22:30
  hotels
• 22:31
  or
• 22:31
  businesses.
• 22:33
  And
• 22:33
  so
• 22:34
  that's
• 22:34
  an
• 22:35
  expectation
• 22:36
  of
• 22:37
  doing
• 22:37
  business
• 22:37
  with
• 22:38
  the
• 22:38
  United
• 22:38
  States
• 22:39
  is
• 22:39
  that
• 22:40
  you
• 22:40
  must
• 22:40
  do
• 22:40
  business
• 22:42
  with
• 22:42
  his
• 22:42
  private
• 22:43
  fortune.
• 22:44
  And
• 22:44
  so
• 22:45
  that
• 22:46
  again,
• 22:46
  who
• 22:47
  are
• 22:47
  we?
• 22:48
  What
• 22:48
  is
• 22:48
  this?
• 22:49
  What's
• 22:49
  really
• 22:49
  going
• 22:49
  on
• 22:50
  here?
• 22:51
  And
• 22:51
  to
• 22:51
  your
• 22:52
  point,
• 22:52
  John,
• 22:52
  why
• 22:53
  aren't
• 22:53
  we
• 22:53
  talking
• 22:53
  about
• 22:54
  it?
• 22:56
  There
• 22:56
  are
• 22:56
  more
• 22:57
  examples
• 22:57
  too
• 22:58
  that
• 22:58
  the
• 22:58
  Department
• 22:58
  of
• 22:59
  Justice
• 22:59
  to
• 22:59
  be
• 23:00
  hired
• 23:01
  now
• 23:01
  you
• 23:01
  must
• 23:02
  answer
• 23:03
  certain
• 23:03
  political
• 23:04
  questions
• 23:05
  which
• 23:05
  is
• 23:05
  unprecedented.
• 23:06
  These
• 23:07
  are
• 23:07
  places
• 23:07
  that
• 23:07
  are
• 23:08
  supposed
• 23:08
  to
• 23:08
  be
• 23:08
  non
• 23:09
  political
• 23:09
  for
• 23:10
  very,
• 23:10
  very
• 23:11
  serious
• 23:12
  good
• 23:12
  reasons.
• 23:13
  But
• 23:13
  for
• 23:14
  example,
• 23:14
  it's
• 23:15
  been
• 23:15
  reported
• 23:16
  that
• 23:16
  you
• 23:17
  are
• 23:17
  asked
• 23:18
  what
• 23:19
  did
• 23:19
  you
• 23:19
  think
• 23:19
  of
• 23:19
  January
• 23:20
  6th?
• 23:21
  And
• 23:21
  basically
• 23:22
  if
• 23:22
  you're
• 23:22
  not
• 23:23
  answering
• 23:23
  the
• 23:23
  question
• 23:24
  that
• 23:24
  these
• 23:24
  weren't
• 23:25
  great
• 23:25
  patriots
• 23:27
  who
• 23:27
  were
• 23:28
  trying
• 23:28
  to
• 23:29
  fix
• 23:30
  a
• 23:30
  rigged
• 23:31
  election,
• 23:32
  then
• 23:33
  you
• 23:34
  know,
• 23:34
  you're
• 23:34
  not
• 23:35
  going
• 23:35
  to
• 23:35
  get
• 23:36
  into
• 23:37
  a
• 23:37
  position
• 23:38
  that
• 23:38
  is
• 23:38
  supposed
• 23:39
  to
• 23:39
  be
• 23:39
  a
• 23:39
  non
• 23:39
  political
• 23:40
  position.
• 23:41
  Mark,
• 23:42
  this
• 23:42
  brings
• 23:42
  us
• 23:43
  into
• 23:44
  something
• 23:44
  that
• 23:44
  seems
• 23:45
  to
• 23:45
  underlie
• 23:46
  so
• 23:46
  much
• 23:46
  of
• 23:46
  what
• 23:47
  is
• 23:47
  powering
• 23:48
  this
• 23:49
  or
• 23:49
  orienting
• 23:50
  this
• 23:50
  administration.
• 23:51
  And
• 23:51
  that's
• 23:52
  Project
• 23:52
  2025.
• 23:53
  And
• 23:54
  yeah,
• 23:54
  it's
• 23:55
  been
• 23:55
  in
• 23:55
  the
• 23:55
  news
• 23:55
  and
• 23:56
  we've
• 23:56
  probably
• 23:57
  all
• 23:57
  heard
• 23:57
  of
• 23:57
  it,
• 23:57
  but
• 23:57
  it's
• 23:58
  only
• 23:58
  quite
• 23:58
  recently
• 23:58
  that
• 23:59
  I
• 23:59
  dug
• 23:59
  into
• 23:59
  this
• 23:59
  and
• 23:59
  I
• 24:00
  pretty
• 24:01
  it
• 24:02
  was
• 24:02
  an
• 24:02
  eye
• 24:02
  opener.
• 24:04
  So
• 24:05
  maybe
• 24:05
  you
• 24:05
  could
• 24:06
  brilliant.
• 24:06
  As
• 24:06
  to
• 24:07
  what
• 24:07
  exactly
• 24:08
  this
• 24:08
  document
• 24:09
  is.
• 24:09
  Can
• 24:09
  I
• 24:10
  bring
• 24:10
  in
• 24:10
  just
• 24:10
  one
• 24:10
  more
• 24:10
  example
• 24:11
  that
• 24:11
  I
• 24:11
  think
• 24:11
  is
• 24:11
  very
• 24:12
  powerful?
• 24:12
  I'm
• 24:12
  sorry,
• 24:13
  but
• 24:13
  during
• 24:14
  the
• 24:14
  first
• 24:14
  Trump
• 24:14
  administration,
• 24:16
  his
• 24:16
  chief
• 24:17
  of
• 24:17
  staff
• 24:17
  for
• 24:17
  at
• 24:18
  least
• 24:18
  a
• 24:18
  couple
• 24:18
  of
• 24:18
  years
• 24:19
  was
• 24:19
  General
• 24:19
  Kelly,
• 24:20
  a
• 24:20
  four
• 24:20
  star
• 24:21
  Marine
• 24:21
  general.
• 24:22
  And
• 24:22
  I
• 24:22
  think
• 24:22
  he's
• 24:22
  a
• 24:23
  man
• 24:23
  of
• 24:23
  honor
• 24:23
  and
• 24:24
  I
• 24:24
  think
• 24:24
  he,
• 24:24
  I
• 24:25
  always
• 24:25
  felt
• 24:25
  good
• 24:25
  when
• 24:25
  he
• 24:26
  was
• 24:26
  there
• 24:26
  because
• 24:26
  there
• 24:27
  was
• 24:27
  an
• 24:27
  adult
• 24:27
  in
• 24:28
  the
• 24:28
  White
• 24:28
  House,
• 24:28
  you
• 24:29
  know,
• 24:29
  and
• 24:29
  he
• 24:29
  tried
• 24:29
  to
• 24:30
  keep
• 24:30
  things
• 24:30
  organized
• 24:31
  and
• 24:31
  keep
• 24:31
  Trump
• 24:32
  in
• 24:32
  check.
• 24:33
  Well,
• 24:33
  he
• 24:33
  recently
• 24:34
  said,
• 24:34
  and
• 24:34
  I
• 24:34
  think
• 24:34
  he's
• 24:35
  a
• 24:35
  very
• 24:35
  credible
• 24:36
  witness,
• 24:36
  he
• 24:36
  said
• 24:37
  that
• 24:37
  Trump
• 24:37
  had
• 24:37
  told
• 24:38
  him
• 24:38
  that
• 24:39
  he
• 24:39
  wanted
• 24:39
  generals
• 24:40
  like
• 24:40
  Hitler's
• 24:40
  general.
• 24:42
  So
• 24:42
  in
• 24:42
  other
• 24:42
  words,
• 24:42
  he
• 24:43
  wanted
• 24:43
  generals
• 24:44
  that
• 24:44
  were
• 24:44
  loyal
• 24:45
  to
• 24:45
  him,
• 24:46
  not
• 24:46
  to
• 24:46
  the
• 24:47
  Constitution,
• 24:47
  not
• 24:47
  to
• 24:47
  the
• 24:48
  country,
• 24:48
  not
• 24:48
  to
• 24:48
  anything
• 24:49
  else.
• 24:49
  But
• 24:49
  were
• 24:49
  loyal
• 24:50
  to
• 24:50
  him.
• 24:50
  And
• 24:51
  that's
• 24:51
  what
• 24:51
  he's
• 24:51
  been
• 24:51
  doing
• 24:52
  in
• 24:52
  all
• 24:52
  our
• 24:52
  major,
• 24:52
  major
• 24:53
  institutions,
• 24:53
  whether
• 24:53
  it's
• 24:53
  a
• 24:54
  CIA
• 24:54
  intelligence,
• 24:55
  Department
• 24:55
  of
• 24:56
  Justice,
• 24:56
  FBI
• 24:57
  firing
• 24:57
  anybody,
• 24:58
  has
• 24:58
  any,
• 24:58
  you
• 24:59
  know,
• 24:59
  commitment
• 25:00
  to
• 25:00
  the
• 25:00
  Constitution,
• 25:01
  the
• 25:01
  deep
• 25:02
  state
• 25:02
  of,
• 25:02
  you
• 25:03
  know,
• 25:03
  loyalty
• 25:04
  to
• 25:04
  our
• 25:04
  Constitution.
• 25:05
  And
• 25:05
  it's
• 25:05
  just,
• 25:06
  it's
• 25:07
  so
• 25:07
  blatant.
• 25:09
  Right.
• 25:09
  This
• 25:10
  is.
• 25:10
  And
• 25:11
  this
• 25:11
  is
• 25:11
  one
• 25:12
  of
• 25:12
  the
• 25:13
  key
• 25:13
  tenets
• 25:14
  of
• 25:14
  Project
• 25:15
  2025,
• 25:16
  that.
• 25:16
  That's
• 25:17
  right.
• 25:17
  All
• 25:17
  branches
• 25:18
  of
• 25:18
  the
• 25:18
  executive
• 25:19
  shall
• 25:19
  be
• 25:21
  loyal.
• 25:22
  Loyal
• 25:22
  to
• 25:22
  the
• 25:22
  president.
• 25:23
  But,
• 25:23
  Mark,
• 25:23
  why
• 25:24
  don't
• 25:24
  you
• 25:24
  give
• 25:24
  us
• 25:24
  an
• 25:24
  overview?
• 25:25
  Yeah,
• 25:26
  so.
• 25:26
  So,
• 25:27
  you
• 25:27
  know,
• 25:27
  that's
• 25:28
  what's
• 25:28
  called
• 25:28
  the
• 25:29
  unitary
• 25:29
  executive
• 25:30
  theory
• 25:30
  that
• 25:31
  he's
• 25:31
  put
• 25:32
  forward.
• 25:32
  So
• 25:33
  let
• 25:33
  me
• 25:33
  talk
• 25:34
  about
• 25:34
  Project
• 25:34
  2025.
• 25:36
  It's
• 25:36
  a.
• 25:36
  It's
• 25:37
  a
• 25:37
  Heritage
• 25:38
  foundation,
• 25:38
  which
• 25:39
  is
• 25:39
  a
• 25:40
  conservative
• 25:40
  organization
• 25:41
  that
• 25:41
  has
• 25:42
  provided
• 25:43
  public
• 25:44
  policy
• 25:44
  to
• 25:45
  Republican
• 25:46
  presidents
• 25:47
  and
• 25:48
  Congress.
• 25:48
  And
• 25:49
  for
• 25:50
  a
• 25:50
  long
• 25:50
  time,
• 25:51
  it's
• 25:51
  become
• 25:52
  much
• 25:53
  more
• 25:53
  shaped
• 25:53
  in
• 25:54
  Donald
• 25:55
  Trump's
• 25:55
  vision,
• 25:56
  although
• 25:57
  he
• 25:57
  spoke
• 25:57
  and
• 25:58
  tried
• 25:58
  to
• 25:58
  distance
• 25:58
  himself
• 25:59
  from
• 25:59
  it.
• 25:59
  But
• 26:00
  there
• 26:00
  was
• 26:00
  $22
• 26:00
  million
• 26:01
  spent
• 26:01
  by
• 26:02
  the
• 26:02
  Heritage
• 26:02
  foundation
• 26:03
  to
• 26:04
  develop
• 26:04
  the
• 26:05
  ideas
• 26:05
  that
• 26:06
  are
• 26:06
  the
• 26:06
  foundation
• 26:07
  around
• 26:08
  Project
• 26:08
  2025.
• 26:09
  And
• 26:09
  so
• 26:10
  what
• 26:10
  are
• 26:11
  some
• 26:11
  of
• 26:11
  the
• 26:11
  hallmark
• 26:12
  pieces
• 26:13
  of
• 26:13
  it?
• 26:14
  So,
• 26:14
  one
• 26:14
  is
• 26:14
  about
• 26:14
  government,
• 26:15
  as
• 26:16
  Roger
• 26:18
  just
• 26:18
  said,
• 26:19
  it
• 26:20
  kind
• 26:20
  of
• 26:20
  proposes
• 26:21
  that
• 26:21
  the
• 26:22
  federal
• 26:22
  bureaucracy,
• 26:23
  including
• 26:24
  all
• 26:24
  independent
• 26:25
  agencies,
• 26:26
  including
• 26:27
  the
• 26:27
  Department
• 26:27
  of
• 26:28
  Justice,
• 26:29
  that
• 26:29
  are
• 26:30
  quasi
• 26:31
  legislative
• 26:32
  and
• 26:32
  quasi
• 26:33
  judicial,
• 26:35
  that
• 26:35
  they
• 26:37
  report
• 26:37
  directly
• 26:38
  to
• 26:38
  the
• 26:38
  President
• 26:38
  of
• 26:38
  the
• 26:38
  United
• 26:39
  States,
• 26:40
  and
• 26:41
  that
• 26:42
  those
• 26:42
  individuals
• 26:43
  can
• 26:43
  all
• 26:43
  be
• 26:44
  fired
• 26:45
  and
• 26:46
  can
• 26:46
  therefore
• 26:47
  be
• 26:47
  hired
• 26:48
  as
• 26:49
  political
• 26:50
  appointees
• 26:50
  that
• 26:51
  are
• 26:51
  loyal
• 26:52
  to
• 26:52
  the
• 26:53
  President
• 26:53
  of
• 26:53
  the
• 26:53
  United
• 26:53
  States
• 26:54
  as
• 26:54
  opposed
• 26:54
  to
• 26:54
  being
• 26:54
  loyal
• 26:55
  to
• 26:56
  Congress.
• 26:56
  And
• 26:57
  so
• 26:57
  you
• 26:58
  saw
• 26:58
  a
• 26:59
  threatened
• 26:59
  example.
• 27:00
  We're
• 27:00
  seeing
• 27:01
  doge,
• 27:02
  and
• 27:02
  we're
• 27:02
  seeing
• 27:03
  thousands
• 27:04
  of
• 27:04
  government
• 27:04
  employees
• 27:06
  be
• 27:06
  fired.
• 27:06
  But,
• 27:08
  you
• 27:08
  know,
• 27:08
  in
• 27:08
  this,
• 27:09
  as
• 27:09
  an
• 27:09
  example,
• 27:10
  Jerome
• 27:10
  Powell,
• 27:11
  the
• 27:11
  head
• 27:11
  of
• 27:11
  the
• 27:12
  Federal
• 27:12
  Reserve,
• 27:13
  had
• 27:14
  made
• 27:14
  some
• 27:14
  comments
• 27:15
  that
• 27:15
  were
• 27:15
  critical
• 27:16
  of
• 27:17
  President
• 27:17
  Trump's
• 27:18
  tariff
• 27:18
  policy,
• 27:19
  which
• 27:20
  he
• 27:21
  just,
• 27:21
  I
• 27:21
  think,
• 27:22
  backed
• 27:22
  out
• 27:22
  of
• 27:23
  with
• 27:23
  China
• 27:23
  today,
• 27:24
  back
• 27:25
  to
• 27:25
  normal,
• 27:26
  which
• 27:27
  is
• 27:27
  just
• 27:27
  embarrassing
• 27:28
  on
• 27:28
  so
• 27:29
  many
• 27:29
  levels,
• 27:30
  as
• 27:31
  the
• 27:31
  promise
• 27:31
  to
• 27:32
  all
• 27:32
  of
• 27:32
  his
• 27:32
  followers.
• 27:32
  And
• 27:33
  then
• 27:33
  we're
• 27:34
  basically
• 27:34
  back
• 27:34
  to
• 27:35
  what
• 27:35
  we
• 27:35
  had
• 27:36
  prior
• 27:36
  to
• 27:36
  him.
• 27:37
  But
• 27:37
  anyway,
• 27:38
  Powell
• 27:39
  gave
• 27:40
  some
• 27:40
  criticism,
• 27:41
  and
• 27:41
  Trump
• 27:42
  said,
• 27:43
  he
• 27:43
  talks
• 27:44
  out,
• 27:44
  I'm
• 27:44
  going
• 27:45
  to
• 27:45
  fire
• 27:45
  him.
• 27:46
  And
• 27:47
  you
• 27:47
  can't
• 27:47
  do
• 27:48
  that.
• 27:48
  Not
• 27:49
  legally,
• 27:50
  no,
• 27:50
  because
• 27:51
  there
• 27:51
  is
• 27:52
  a
• 27:52
  Supreme
• 27:52
  Court
• 27:53
  decision
• 27:54
  called
• 27:54
  Humphrey's
• 27:55
  executor
• 27:55
  from
• 27:56
  1935,
• 27:57
  where
• 27:57
  it
• 27:58
  ruled
• 27:58
  that
• 27:58
  the
• 27:58
  U.S.
• 27:59
  constitution
• 27:59
  allows.
• 28:00
  And
• 28:00
  so
• 28:00
  that
• 28:00
  was
• 28:00
  a
• 28:00
  situation
• 28:01
  where
• 28:02
  FDR
• 28:02
  did
• 28:02
  not
• 28:03
  like
• 28:03
  the
• 28:03
  rhetoric
• 28:04
  and
• 28:04
  the
• 28:04
  approach
• 28:05
  of
• 28:05
  a
• 28:06
  head
• 28:06
  of
• 28:06
  an
• 28:06
  economic
• 28:07
  arm
• 28:08
  of
• 28:08
  the
• 28:08
  government,
• 28:08
  and
• 28:09
  he
• 28:09
  tried
• 28:09
  to
• 28:09
  fire
• 28:10
  him.
• 28:10
  And
• 28:11
  so
• 28:11
  we're
• 28:11
  talking
• 28:11
  a
• 28:12
  different
• 28:12
  political
• 28:12
  party,
• 28:13
  different
• 28:13
  way,
• 28:14
  but
• 28:14
  it
• 28:15
  ruled
• 28:15
  that
• 28:15
  the
• 28:15
  Constitution
• 28:16
  allows
• 28:16
  Congress
• 28:17
  to
• 28:17
  enact
• 28:17
  laws.
• 28:18
  And
• 28:18
  so
• 28:19
  there
• 28:19
  is
• 28:19
  a
• 28:19
  law
• 28:20
  that
• 28:21
  limits
• 28:21
  the
• 28:21
  ability
• 28:22
  of
• 28:22
  the
• 28:22
  President
• 28:23
  to
• 28:23
  fire
• 28:24
  executive
• 28:24
  officials
• 28:25
  of
• 28:26
  independent
• 28:26
  agencies
• 28:28
  that
• 28:28
  are
• 28:28
  quasi
• 28:29
  legislative
• 28:29
  or
• 28:30
  quasi
• 28:30
  judicial.
• 28:31
  And
• 28:31
  so,
• 28:32
  you
• 28:32
  know,
• 28:32
  this
• 28:32
  is
• 28:32
  a
• 28:32
  direct
• 28:33
  example
• 28:33
  of
• 28:34
  that.
• 28:34
  And
• 28:34
  so,
• 28:35
  you
• 28:35
  know,
• 28:35
  we
• 28:35
  have.
• 28:36
  Unless
• 28:36
  the
• 28:37
  Supreme
• 28:37
  Court
• 28:37
  of
• 28:37
  the
• 28:37
  United
• 28:38
  States
• 28:38
  overrules
• 28:39
  Humphrey's
• 28:40
  executor
• 28:41
  case,
• 28:42
  he
• 28:43
  can't
• 28:43
  do
• 28:43
  those
• 28:43
  kinds
• 28:44
  of
• 28:44
  things.
• 28:44
  He
• 28:45
  can't.
• 28:45
  This
• 28:45
  unitary
• 28:47
  executive
• 28:47
  theory
• 28:48
  is
• 28:49
  really
• 28:51
  does
• 28:51
  not
• 28:51
  have
• 28:51
  any.
• 28:52
  It's
• 28:53
  not
• 28:53
  an
• 28:53
  original
• 28:54
  approach
• 28:54
  to
• 28:55
  the
• 28:55
  Constitution.
• 28:55
  It's
• 28:56
  not.
• 28:57
  Not
• 28:57
  really
• 28:58
  the
• 28:58
  intention,
• 28:59
  even
• 28:59
  though
• 28:59
  we
• 28:59
  didn't
• 29:00
  necessarily,
• 29:01
  at
• 29:01
  the
• 29:01
  founding
• 29:02
  of
• 29:02
  the
• 29:02
  Constitution,
• 29:03
  have
• 29:03
  all
• 29:03
  of
• 29:04
  these
• 29:04
  agencies
• 29:05
  under.
• 29:06
  In
• 29:06
  the
• 29:07
  federal
• 29:07
  government.
• 29:08
  It
• 29:08
  certainly
• 29:08
  would
• 29:09
  not
• 29:09
  have
• 29:09
  been
• 29:09
  the
• 29:10
  intention
• 29:10
  if
• 29:10
  we
• 29:10
  read
• 29:11
  the.
• 29:12
  Some
• 29:12
  of
• 29:12
  the
• 29:12
  language
• 29:12
  that
• 29:13
  I've
• 29:13
  already
• 29:13
  shared
• 29:13
  with
• 29:14
  you
• 29:14
  and
• 29:15
  our
• 29:15
  approach
• 29:15
  to
• 29:16
  three
• 29:16
  branches
• 29:16
  of
• 29:17
  government
• 29:17
  to
• 29:17
  check
• 29:17
  the
• 29:18
  power
• 29:18
  of
• 29:19
  each
• 29:19
  branch
• 29:19
  of
• 29:20
  government.
• 29:20
  We
• 29:20
  moved
• 29:20
  away
• 29:21
  from
• 29:22
  being
• 29:22
  a
• 29:22
  king.
• 29:23
  And
• 29:23
  so,
• 29:24
  you
• 29:24
  know,
• 29:24
  that's
• 29:24
  been
• 29:24
  our
• 29:25
  history.
• 29:25
  That's
• 29:25
  what's
• 29:26
  made
• 29:26
  us
• 29:26
  unique.
• 29:27
  So
• 29:27
  the
• 29:27
  idea
• 29:28
  of
• 29:28
  a
• 29:29
  unitary
• 29:30
  executive
• 29:30
  theory
• 29:31
  is
• 29:31
  just
• 29:32
  not
• 29:32
  what
• 29:33
  our
• 29:33
  founders
• 29:34
  were
• 29:34
  thinking
• 29:35
  at
• 29:35
  all.
• 29:35
  So.
• 29:36
  And
• 29:36
  those
• 29:36
  laws
• 29:37
  were
• 29:37
  to
• 29:37
  limit
• 29:37
  the
• 29:37
  power
• 29:38
  of
• 29:38
  the
• 29:38
  presidency.
• 29:39
  Right.
• 29:39
  Not
• 29:39
  to
• 29:39
  get
• 29:40
  power.
• 29:40
  I
• 29:41
  want
• 29:41
  to
• 29:41
  make
• 29:41
  a
• 29:41
  point
• 29:41
  there.
• 29:42
  When
• 29:42
  you
• 29:42
  say
• 29:42
  the
• 29:42
  Heritage
• 29:43
  Foundation.
• 29:44
  Back
• 29:44
  in,
• 29:45
  you
• 29:45
  know,
• 29:45
  the
• 29:45
  last
• 29:46
  several
• 29:46
  decades
• 29:46
  or
• 29:47
  30
• 29:47
  years,
• 29:47
  since
• 29:48
  I've
• 29:48
  been
• 29:48
  paying
• 29:48
  attention
• 29:48
  to
• 29:49
  politics,
• 29:49
  the
• 29:50
  Heritage
• 29:51
  foundation
• 29:51
  was
• 29:52
  a
• 29:52
  conservative
• 29:52
  group
• 29:53
  of
• 29:53
  scholars
• 29:54
  and
• 29:54
  thinkers,
• 29:55
  and
• 29:57
  they
• 29:57
  were
• 29:57
  pretty
• 29:57
  good.
• 29:58
  I
• 29:58
  didn't
• 29:58
  always
• 29:58
  agree
• 29:59
  with
• 29:59
  them,
• 29:59
  but
• 29:59
  sometimes
• 30:00
  I
• 30:00
  did.
• 30:00
  They
• 30:00
  had
• 30:00
  a
• 30:01
  lot
• 30:01
  of
• 30:01
  integrity
• 30:02
  presenting
• 30:02
  the
• 30:02
  conservative
• 30:03
  point
• 30:03
  of
• 30:04
  view.
• 30:04
  But
• 30:05
  the
• 30:05
  fact
• 30:05
  that
• 30:05
  they've
• 30:06
  moved
• 30:06
  into
• 30:06
  this
• 30:07
  on
• 30:07
  very
• 30:08
  all
• 30:08
  about,
• 30:08
  you
• 30:08
  know,
• 30:09
  upholding
• 30:09
  the
• 30:09
  Constitution.
• 30:10
  Remember
• 30:11
  when
• 30:11
  Republican
• 30:12
  Party,
• 30:12
  that
• 30:13
  was
• 30:13
  important
• 30:13
  to
• 30:13
  them.
• 30:14
  So
• 30:14
  the
• 30:14
  fact
• 30:15
  that
• 30:15
  they
• 30:15
  produce
• 30:16
  this
• 30:17
  2025
• 30:18
  plan
• 30:18
  is
• 30:19
  shocking.
• 30:21
  What
• 30:21
  happened
• 30:21
  to
• 30:21
  the
• 30:22
  Heritage
• 30:22
  Foundation?
• 30:23
  What
• 30:23
  happened
• 30:23
  to
• 30:23
  what
• 30:24
  they've
• 30:24
  been
• 30:24
  saying
• 30:24
  for
• 30:25
  decades
• 30:25
  now?
• 30:27
  Well,
• 30:28
  from
• 30:28
  their
• 30:28
  perspective,
• 30:29
  they
• 30:29
  would
• 30:29
  argue
• 30:30
  that
• 30:30
  this
• 30:31
  will
• 30:31
  streamline
• 30:32
  government,
• 30:33
  that
• 30:33
  these.
• 30:33
  We
• 30:34
  have
• 30:34
  bloated
• 30:35
  agencies
• 30:36
  that
• 30:37
  do
• 30:37
  what
• 30:37
  they
• 30:38
  want.
• 30:38
  The
• 30:38
  Supreme
• 30:39
  Court
• 30:40
  theoretically
• 30:40
  has
• 30:41
  tried
• 30:41
  to
• 30:41
  rein
• 30:41
  that
• 30:41
  in
• 30:42
  with
• 30:42
  something
• 30:43
  called
• 30:43
  the
• 30:44
  Major
• 30:44
  questions
• 30:45
  doctrine,
• 30:45
  which
• 30:46
  is
• 30:46
  the
• 30:46
  idea
• 30:47
  that
• 30:47
  a
• 30:48
  quasi
• 30:49
  judicial,
• 30:49
  quasi
• 30:50
  legislative
• 30:51
  agency,
• 30:52
  or
• 30:52
  any
• 30:53
  kind
• 30:53
  of
• 30:53
  federal
• 30:53
  agency
• 30:54
  that's
• 30:54
  been
• 30:54
  created
• 30:55
  by
• 30:55
  the
• 30:55
  government,
• 30:56
  they
• 30:57
  have
• 30:57
  to
• 30:58
  enact
• 30:59
  and
• 30:59
  do
• 30:59
  things
• 31:00
  that
• 31:00
  they
• 31:00
  were
• 31:00
  asked
• 31:01
  to
• 31:01
  do.
• 31:01
  And
• 31:02
  they
• 31:02
  can't
• 31:02
  go
• 31:02
  beyond
• 31:03
  that.
• 31:03
  And
• 31:03
  so
• 31:04
  it's
• 31:04
  got
• 31:04
  to
• 31:04
  be
• 31:04
  directly
• 31:05
  related
• 31:05
  to
• 31:05
  them.
• 31:06
  And
• 31:06
  so
• 31:07
  I
• 31:07
  think
• 31:08
  they
• 31:08
  see
• 31:08
  this
• 31:08
  as
• 31:09
  a
• 31:09
  way
• 31:10
  of
• 31:10
  kind
• 31:10
  of
• 31:10
  streamlining
• 31:11
  government,
• 31:12
  allowing
• 31:13
  the
• 31:13
  President
• 31:14
  to
• 31:14
  directly
• 31:14
  implement
• 31:15
  their
• 31:15
  policies
• 31:16
  and
• 31:16
  ideas
• 31:17
  and
• 31:18
  not
• 31:18
  be
• 31:19
  kind
• 31:19
  of
• 31:20
  stuck
• 31:21
  in
• 31:21
  the
• 31:21
  mud
• 31:22
  by
• 31:22
  all
• 31:22
  these
• 31:23
  quasi
• 31:23
  Agencies
• 31:24
  that
• 31:24
  are
• 31:24
  kind
• 31:25
  of
• 31:25
  doing
• 31:25
  their
• 31:25
  own
• 31:25
  thing.
• 31:26
  And
• 31:26
  so
• 31:27
  there
• 31:27
  is,
• 31:28
  again,
• 31:28
  like
• 31:29
  I
• 31:29
  said
• 31:29
  at
• 31:29
  the
• 31:29
  beginning,
• 31:31
  there
• 31:31
  are
• 31:32
  some
• 31:32
  issues
• 31:33
  that
• 31:34
  it
• 31:34
  does
• 31:34
  take
• 31:34
  a
• 31:35
  long
• 31:35
  time
• 31:35
  for
• 31:35
  a
• 31:36
  lot
• 31:36
  of
• 31:36
  things
• 31:36
  to
• 31:36
  get
• 31:36
  done.
• 31:37
  And
• 31:37
  sometimes
• 31:37
  that's
• 31:37
  good
• 31:38
  for
• 31:39
  good
• 31:39
  reason,
• 31:39
  and
• 31:39
  sometimes
• 31:40
  it's
• 31:40
  not.
• 31:41
  And
• 31:42
  we
• 31:42
  do
• 31:42
  have,
• 31:43
  you
• 31:43
  know,
• 31:43
  and
• 31:43
  certainly
• 31:44
  the
• 31:44
  size
• 31:45
  of
• 31:45
  our
• 31:45
  federal
• 31:45
  government
• 31:46
  in
• 31:46
  comparison
• 31:48
  to
• 31:49
  our
• 31:49
  founding
• 31:50
  is
• 31:50
  quite
• 31:50
  different,
• 31:51
  but
• 31:51
  in
• 31:52
  actuality,
• 31:52
  it's
• 31:53
  not
• 31:53
  that
• 31:53
  quite
• 31:53
  different
• 31:54
  from,
• 31:54
  like
• 31:54
  the
• 31:54
  1980s.
• 31:56
  And
• 31:56
  so
• 31:56
  there's
• 31:56
  this
• 31:56
  notion
• 31:57
  that
• 31:57
  we
• 31:57
  have
• 31:58
  so
• 31:59
  much,
• 31:59
  much
• 31:59
  bigger
• 32:00
  and
• 32:00
  bigger
• 32:00
  than
• 32:00
  we
• 32:00
  were,
• 32:01
  but
• 32:02
  that's
• 32:02
  actually
• 32:03
  not
• 32:03
  totally
• 32:04
  true.
• 32:04
  But
• 32:04
  it
• 32:05
  is
• 32:05
  true
• 32:05
  in
• 32:05
  relation
• 32:06
  to
• 32:06
  who
• 32:07
  we
• 32:07
  were
• 32:07
  a
• 32:07
  long
• 32:08
  time
• 32:08
  ago.
• 32:08
  But
• 32:09
  we've
• 32:10
  evolved.
• 32:11
  There
• 32:11
  are
• 32:12
  a
• 32:12
  few
• 32:12
  more
• 32:12
  of
• 32:12
  us
• 32:12
  now,
• 32:13
  too.
• 32:13
  There's
• 32:14
  a
• 32:14
  lot
• 32:14
  more
• 32:14
  of
• 32:14
  us.
• 32:15
  Yeah,
• 32:15
  there's
• 32:16
  330
• 32:17
  million
• 32:17
  of
• 32:17
  us,
• 32:17
  as
• 32:18
  opposed
• 32:18
  to
• 32:18
  when
• 32:19
  we
• 32:19
  founded.
• 32:20
  Philadelphia
• 32:21
  had
• 32:21
  like
• 32:21
  4,000
• 32:22
  people
• 32:22
  in
• 32:23
  it.
• 32:23
  And
• 32:23
  so
• 32:24
  it's
• 32:24
  quite
• 32:25
  a
• 32:25
  different
• 32:25
  republic.
• 32:26
  We
• 32:26
  were
• 32:26
  a
• 32:26
  rural
• 32:27
  nation.
• 32:28
  We
• 32:28
  weren't
• 32:29
  a
• 32:29
  nation
• 32:29
  that
• 32:30
  we
• 32:30
  didn't
• 32:31
  have
• 32:31
  a
• 32:31
  navy.
• 32:32
  We
• 32:32
  didn't,
• 32:32
  you
• 32:32
  know,
• 32:32
  we
• 32:33
  didn't
• 32:33
  have
• 32:33
  all
• 32:33
  those
• 32:34
  things
• 32:34
  at
• 32:34
  the
• 32:34
  beginning.
• 32:35
  We
• 32:35
  weren't
• 32:35
  a
• 32:35
  great
• 32:35
  industrial
• 32:36
  power.
• 32:37
  You
• 32:37
  know,
• 32:37
  we,
• 32:37
  yeah.
• 32:38
  Traded
• 32:39
  our
• 32:40
  natural
• 32:40
  resources
• 32:41
  for
• 32:42
  countries
• 32:42
  like
• 32:42
  Britain
• 32:42
  and
• 32:43
  France
• 32:43
  who
• 32:43
  had
• 32:43
  the
• 32:43
  things
• 32:44
  manufactured
• 32:45
  things
• 32:46
  that
• 32:46
  we
• 32:46
  didn't
• 32:47
  have.
• 32:48
  So
• 32:48
  if
• 32:49
  we
• 32:49
  go
• 32:49
  back
• 32:49
  to
• 32:49
  Roger's
• 32:50
  question
• 32:51
  about
• 32:51
  Project
• 32:51
  2025,
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  there's
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  kind
• 32:53
  of
• 32:53
  a
• 32:53
  couple
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  different
• 32:54
  or
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  three
• 32:54
  or
• 32:55
  four
• 32:55
  areas
• 32:55
  that
• 32:55
  they
• 32:56
  covered.
• 32:56
  So
• 32:56
  I
• 32:56
  just
• 32:57
  talked
• 32:57
  about
• 32:57
  government
• 32:58
  and,
• 32:59
  you
• 32:59
  know,
• 32:59
  so
• 32:59
  we've
• 33:00
  seen
• 33:00
  them
• 33:01
  try
• 33:01
  to
• 33:01
  take
• 33:01
  a
• 33:01
  hammer
• 33:02
  to
• 33:02
  it.
• 33:02
  There's
• 33:03
  also.
• 33:04
  They
• 33:04
  have
• 33:04
  a
• 33:04
  focus
• 33:04
  on
• 33:05
  abortion
• 33:05
  and
• 33:05
  family.
• 33:06
  And
• 33:07
  so
• 33:09
  they
• 33:09
  have
• 33:10
  a
• 33:10
  desire.
• 33:10
  They
• 33:11
  have
• 33:11
  a.
• 33:11
  You
• 33:12
  know,
• 33:12
  Trump
• 33:12
  has
• 33:12
  been
• 33:13
  on
• 33:13
  the
• 33:13
  record
• 33:13
  of
• 33:13
  saying,
• 33:13
  you
• 33:14
  know,
• 33:14
  outlaw
• 33:14
  an
• 33:14
  abortion
• 33:15
  on
• 33:15
  the
• 33:15
  federal
• 33:16
  level.
• 33:16
  I'm
• 33:16
  not
• 33:16
  for.
• 33:17
  But
• 33:18
  he
• 33:18
  has
• 33:18
  allowed
• 33:19
  under
• 33:19
  RFK
• 33:20
  Jr
• 33:21
  and
• 33:21
  they
• 33:21
  proposed
• 33:22
  this
• 33:22
  from
• 33:22
  the
• 33:23
  start
• 33:24
  to
• 33:25
  look
• 33:25
  at
• 33:25
  the
• 33:25
  abortion
• 33:26
  pill
• 33:26
  Mifepriston,
• 33:29
  that
• 33:29
  they
• 33:30
  want
• 33:30
  to
• 33:30
  outlaw
• 33:31
  and
• 33:31
  say
• 33:31
  that
• 33:32
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• 33:32
  take
• 33:32
  it
• 33:33
  from
• 33:33
  the
• 33:33
  market
• 33:34
  using
• 33:34
  some
• 33:35
  kind
• 33:35
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• 33:36
  older
• 33:37
  federal
• 33:37
  laws
• 33:38
  that
• 33:38
  we
• 33:38
  haven't
• 33:39
  used
• 33:39
  to
• 33:40
  have
• 33:40
  it
• 33:40
  not
• 33:40
  be
• 33:40
  mailed.
• 33:41
  And
• 33:42
  RFK
• 33:42
  has
• 33:42
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• 33:43
  to
• 33:43
  look
• 33:43
  at
• 33:43
  the
• 33:43
  safety
• 33:44
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• 33:44
  it.
• 33:44
  And
• 33:45
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• 33:45
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• 33:46
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• 33:46
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• 33:46
  at
• 33:46
  the
• 33:46
  safety
• 33:47
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• 33:47
  it.
• 33:47
  This
• 33:47
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• 33:47
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• 33:48
  used
• 33:48
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• 33:48
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• 33:48
  while,
• 33:49
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• 33:49
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• 33:50
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• 33:50
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• 33:51
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• 33:51
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• 33:52
  be
• 33:52
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• 33:52
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• 33:52
  far
• 33:52
  as
• 33:53
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• 33:53
  understand.
• 33:53
  And
• 33:53
  that,
• 33:54
  you
• 33:54
  know,
• 33:54
  the
• 33:54
  abortion
• 33:55
  question
• 33:55
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• 33:55
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• 33:55
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• 33:56
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• 33:56
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• 33:56
  can
• 33:56
  discuss.
• 33:57
  But
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• 33:58
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• 33:58
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• 33:58
  that,
• 33:58
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• 33:59
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• 33:59
  really
• 33:59
  want
• 33:59
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• 33:59
  limit
• 34:00
  the
• 34:00
  ability
• 34:00
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• 34:01
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• 34:01
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• 34:02
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• 34:02
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• 34:02
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• 34:04
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• 34:04
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• 34:05
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• 34:05
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• 34:06
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• 34:06
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• 34:09
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• 34:10
  They've
• 34:10
  suggested
• 34:11
  that
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  the
• 34:11
  Department
• 34:12
  of
• 34:12
  Health
• 34:12
  and
• 34:12
  Human
• 34:13
  Services,
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  you
• 34:15
  know,
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  enforce
• 34:15
  and
• 34:16
  reflect
• 34:17
  a
• 34:17
  more
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  biblical
• 34:19
  understanding
• 34:20
  of
• 34:21
  what
• 34:21
  marriage
• 34:22
  is
• 34:22
  and
• 34:23
  when
• 34:23
  sex
• 34:24
  should
• 34:24
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• 34:24
  be
• 34:25
  appropriate.
• 34:26
  And
• 34:26
  so
• 34:27
  this
• 34:27
  would
• 34:27
  reflect
• 34:28
  more
• 34:29
  of
• 34:30
  values
• 34:30
  that
• 34:30
  are
• 34:31
  more
• 34:31
  traditional
• 34:32
  Christian
• 34:32
  nationalist.
• 34:33
  Yeah,
• 34:34
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• 34:34
  So
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  right
• 34:35
  wing
• 34:35
  fashionism,
• 34:36
  which
• 34:37
  is
• 34:37
  different
• 34:37
  than
• 34:38
  the
• 34:38
  kind
• 34:38
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• 34:38
  authoritarian.
• 34:40
  And
• 34:40
  in
• 34:40
  some
• 34:41
  circles,
• 34:41
  this
• 34:42
  is
• 34:42
  kind
• 34:42
  of
• 34:42
  a
• 34:43
  next
• 34:43
  stage
• 34:43
  beyond
• 34:44
  the
• 34:45
  kind
• 34:45
  of
• 34:45
  authoritarian
• 34:46
  stuff
• 34:47
  that
• 34:47
  I
• 34:47
  was
• 34:47
  sharing
• 34:48
  that
• 34:48
  Trump's
• 34:49
  rhetoric
• 34:49
  reflects.
• 34:50
  But
• 34:50
  this
• 34:50
  reflects
• 34:51
  more
• 34:51
  traditional
• 34:52
  values,
• 34:53
  which
• 34:53
  is
• 34:53
  still
• 34:53
  pre
• 34:54
  Enlightenment,
• 34:55
  still
• 34:55
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• 34:56
  you
• 34:56
  know,
• 34:57
  so
• 34:57
  kind
• 34:57
  of
• 34:57
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• 34:58
  based,
• 34:59
  church
• 34:59
  based,
• 35:00
  religious
• 35:01
  based
• 35:02
  understanding,
• 35:03
  which
• 35:03
  is
• 35:03
  a
• 35:03
  strong
• 35:03
  part
• 35:04
  of
• 35:05
  Trump's
• 35:05
  base.
• 35:06
  He's
• 35:06
  a
• 35:06
  fabulous
• 35:07
  politician
• 35:07
  in
• 35:07
  the
• 35:07
  sense
• 35:08
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• 35:08
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• 35:09
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• 35:10
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• 35:10
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• 35:11
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• 35:11
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• 35:12
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• 35:12
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• 35:13
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• 35:13
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• 35:13
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• 35:14
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• 35:14
  them.
• 35:14
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• 35:14
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• 35:14
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• 35:15
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• 35:15
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• 35:15
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• 35:16
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• 35:17
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• 35:17
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• 35:17
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• 35:18
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• 35:18
  a,
• 35:18
  you
• 35:18
  know,
• 35:19
  a
• 35:19
  prophetic
• 35:19
  relationship
• 35:20
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• 35:20
  God,
• 35:20
  that
• 35:21
  he
• 35:21
  was
• 35:21
  the
• 35:21
  chosen
• 35:22
  one,
• 35:22
  and
• 35:23
  has
• 35:23
  shared
• 35:24
  that
• 35:24
  kind
• 35:25
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• 35:25
  language
• 35:25
  with
• 35:26
  those
• 35:26
  people
• 35:27
  who
• 35:28
  resonate
• 35:29
  with
• 35:29
  that
• 35:29
  kind
• 35:30
  of
• 35:30
  philosophy.
• 35:31
  And
• 35:31
  then
• 35:32
  it's
• 35:32
  been
• 35:32
  characteristics
• 35:33
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• 35:33
  fascist
• 35:33
  dictators
• 35:34
  from
• 35:34
  the
• 35:34
  get
• 35:35
  go,
• 35:35
  whether
• 35:35
  it's
• 35:36
  Mussolini
• 35:36
  or
• 35:36
  Adolf
• 35:37
  Hitler
• 35:37
  or
• 35:38
  Stalin,
• 35:39
  the
• 35:40
  chosen
• 35:40
  one,
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• 35:41
  only
• 35:41
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• 35:42
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• 35:42
  can
• 35:42
  lead
• 35:43
  us
• 35:43
  in
• 35:43
  the
• 35:43
  ways
• 35:43
  of
• 35:43
  righteousness.
• 35:45
  And
• 35:46
  that's
• 35:46
  just
• 35:46
  part
• 35:46
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• 35:47
  it.
• 35:47
  And
• 35:47
  we
• 35:47
  don't
• 35:47
  have
• 35:48
  a.
• 35:49
  Republicans
• 35:49
  don't
• 35:50
  have
• 35:50
  a
• 35:50
  political
• 35:50
  party.
• 35:50
  They
• 35:51
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• 35:51
  a
• 35:51
  cult
• 35:52
  of
• 35:52
  the
• 35:52
  personality.
• 35:53
  They've
• 35:54
  moved
• 35:55
  completely
• 35:55
  away
• 35:55
  from
• 35:55
  what
• 35:56
  the
• 35:56
  Republican
• 35:56
  Party's
• 35:57
  conservatives
• 35:57
  when
• 35:57
  I
• 35:57
  was
• 35:57
  growing
• 35:58
  up,
• 35:58
  stood
• 35:58
  for.
• 35:59
  And
• 35:59
  it's
• 36:00
  something
• 36:00
  else
• 36:00
  now.
• 36:01
  And
• 36:01
  it's
• 36:01
  about
• 36:01
  loyalty
• 36:02
  to
• 36:02
  one
• 36:03
  man.
• 36:04
  Which
• 36:05
  reflects
• 36:06
  the
• 36:06
  idea
• 36:06
  of
• 36:06
  a
• 36:07
  third
• 36:07
  term
• 36:07
  too,
• 36:08
  which
• 36:08
  is
• 36:08
  outlawed.
• 36:09
  Like,
• 36:10
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• 36:10
  78
• 36:11
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• 36:11
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• 36:11
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• 36:11
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• 36:11
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• 36:11
  apart,
• 36:12
  but
• 36:12
  his
• 36:12
  ego
• 36:13
  is
• 36:13
  so
• 36:13
  big,
• 36:13
  he
• 36:14
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• 36:14
  he's
• 36:14
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• 36:14
  you
• 36:15
  know,
• 36:15
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• 36:15
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• 36:16
  82,
• 36:17
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• 36:17
  how
• 36:17
  he
• 36:17
  is
• 36:17
  now,
• 36:18
  he's
• 36:18
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• 36:18
  continue
• 36:18
  to
• 36:19
  be
• 36:19
  president
• 36:20
  forever.
• 36:20
  I
• 36:20
  mean,
• 36:21
  it's
• 36:21
  so
• 36:22
  blatantly
• 36:23
  in
• 36:23
  the
• 36:23
  open.
• 36:24
  Just
• 36:24
  contradicting
• 36:25
  and
• 36:25
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• 36:27
  the
• 36:27
  Constitution
• 36:28
  mean
• 36:28
  there's.
• 36:29
  And
• 36:29
  they
• 36:29
  don't
• 36:29
  even
• 36:30
  blush.
• 36:30
  I
• 36:30
  mean,
• 36:30
  there's
• 36:31
  no
• 36:31
  attempt
• 36:31
  to
• 36:31
  say,
• 36:32
  you
• 36:32
  know,
• 36:32
  interpret
• 36:33
  it
• 36:33
  in
• 36:33
  a
• 36:33
  way
• 36:33
  that
• 36:33
  would
• 36:34
  make
• 36:34
  it
• 36:34
  seem
• 36:34
  constitutional.
• 36:36
  It
• 36:36
  just
• 36:36
  isn't,
• 36:37
  and
• 36:37
  they
• 36:37
  don't
• 36:38
  care.
• 36:38
  And
• 36:38
  that's
• 36:38
  a
• 36:39
  step
• 36:39
  towards
• 36:40
  dictatorship,
• 36:41
  authoritarian
• 36:42
  dictatorship.
• 36:42
  And
• 36:43
  I
• 36:43
  guess
• 36:43
  one
• 36:43
  of
• 36:44
  the
• 36:44
  questions
• 36:44
  that
• 36:45
  I
• 36:45
  was
• 36:45
  asking
• 36:45
  preparing
• 36:46
  for
• 36:46
  this
• 36:46
  program
• 36:47
  is
• 36:47
  why
• 36:47
  should
• 36:48
  it
• 36:48
  matter?
• 36:48
  You
• 36:48
  know,
• 36:49
  I
• 36:49
  mean,
• 36:49
  dictatorships
• 36:50
  have
• 36:50
  their
• 36:50
  strong
• 36:50
  points.
• 36:51
  It's
• 36:51
  a
• 36:51
  lot
• 36:51
  more
• 36:51
  efficient
• 36:52
  in
• 36:52
  some
• 36:52
  ways.
• 36:52
  You
• 36:53
  can
• 36:53
  just
• 36:53
  say,
• 36:53
  do
• 36:53
  this,
• 36:53
  do
• 36:54
  that,
• 36:54
  do
• 36:55
  the
• 36:55
  other.
• 36:56
  And
• 36:56
  democracy
• 36:57
  is
• 36:57
  really
• 36:57
  messy.
• 36:58
  And
• 36:59
  I
• 36:59
  think
• 36:59
  Winston
• 37:00
  Churchill,
• 37:00
  and
• 37:00
  I'm
• 37:01
  just
• 37:01
  paraphrasing
• 37:01
  here,
• 37:01
  he
• 37:02
  said,
• 37:02
  you
• 37:02
  know,
• 37:03
  democracy
• 37:03
  is
• 37:03
  a
• 37:04
  terrible
• 37:04
  form
• 37:04
  of
• 37:05
  governance,
• 37:05
  but
• 37:06
  it
• 37:06
  just
• 37:06
  happens
• 37:06
  to
• 37:06
  be
• 37:07
  better
• 37:07
  than
• 37:07
  anything
• 37:07
  else
• 37:08
  we've
• 37:08
  ever
• 37:08
  tried.
• 37:09
  You
• 37:09
  know,
• 37:09
  so
• 37:09
  that
• 37:10
  messiness
• 37:11
  was
• 37:11
  built
• 37:12
  in
• 37:13
  to
• 37:13
  the
• 37:13
  Constitution
• 37:15
  and
• 37:15
  they
• 37:15
  knew
• 37:16
  it
• 37:16
  was
• 37:16
  going
• 37:16
  to
• 37:16
  be
• 37:16
  messy.
• 37:16
  It
• 37:16
  was
• 37:16
  messy
• 37:17
  when
• 37:17
  they
• 37:17
  were
• 37:17
  writing
• 37:18
  the
• 37:18
  Constitution,
• 37:19
  but
• 37:19
  it
• 37:20
  was
• 37:20
  the
• 37:21
  process.
• 37:21
  They
• 37:21
  wanted
• 37:22
  to
• 37:22
  move
• 37:23
  us
• 37:23
  into
• 37:23
  a
• 37:23
  new
• 37:23
  level
• 37:24
  of
• 37:24
  democracy
• 37:24
  and
• 37:25
  freedom
• 37:25
  that
• 37:26
  very
• 37:26
  few
• 37:27
  humans
• 37:28
  had
• 37:29
  ever
• 37:30
  experienced
• 37:30
  before.
• 37:30
  And
• 37:31
  of
• 37:31
  course,
• 37:31
  our
• 37:31
  democracy
• 37:32
  grew.
• 37:32
  You
• 37:33
  know,
• 37:33
  women,
• 37:33
  you
• 37:34
  know,
• 37:34
  couldn't
• 37:34
  vote,
• 37:35
  slaves
• 37:36
  couldn't
• 37:36
  vote.
• 37:36
  You
• 37:37
  know,
• 37:37
  there
• 37:37
  were
• 37:37
  a
• 37:37
  lot
• 37:37
  of.
• 37:38
  But
• 37:38
  as
• 37:38
  we
• 37:38
  matured
• 37:39
  as
• 37:39
  a
• 37:39
  nation,
• 37:39
  it
• 37:40
  kept
• 37:40
  expanding
• 37:41
  to
• 37:42
  include
• 37:43
  everybody
• 37:43
  into
• 37:43
  the
• 37:44
  process.
• 37:44
  And
• 37:44
  so
• 37:44
  it
• 37:45
  wasn't
• 37:46
  perfect
• 37:46
  at
• 37:46
  the
• 37:46
  beginning
• 37:46
  and
• 37:47
  they
• 37:47
  realized
• 37:48
  that,
• 37:48
  but
• 37:48
  they
• 37:48
  knew
• 37:49
  they
• 37:49
  couldn't
• 37:49
  go
• 37:49
  farther
• 37:50
  than
• 37:50
  they
• 37:50
  could
• 37:50
  go.
• 37:51
  So,
• 37:53
  yeah,
• 37:53
  what
• 37:54
  we're
• 37:54
  experiencing
• 37:55
  is
• 37:55
  really
• 37:56
  a
• 37:57
  direct
• 37:57
  attack
• 37:58
  on
• 37:58
  the
• 37:58
  principles
• 37:59
  of
• 37:59
  inclusivity.
• 38:00
  And
• 38:01
  so
• 38:01
  we
• 38:02
  see
• 38:02
  that
• 38:03
  with
• 38:04
  an
• 38:04
  American
• 38:05
  first
• 38:06
  policy,
• 38:07
  a
• 38:07
  more
• 38:07
  isolationist
• 38:09
  way
• 38:09
  of
• 38:10
  relating
• 38:10
  with
• 38:10
  the
• 38:11
  world,
• 38:12
  A,
• 38:13
  an
• 38:13
  approach
• 38:13
  that
• 38:15
  really
• 38:16
  doesn't
• 38:17
  want
• 38:17
  to
• 38:17
  welcome
• 38:18
  immigrants,
• 38:19
  doesn't
• 38:19
  want
• 38:19
  to
• 38:20
  welcome
• 38:21
  people
• 38:22
  of
• 38:23
  different
• 38:23
  colors.
• 38:24
  I
• 38:24
  mean,
• 38:24
  Afrikaners
• 38:25
  in
• 38:26
  South
• 38:26
  Africa,
• 38:27
  you
• 38:28
  know,
• 38:28
  who
• 38:28
  are
• 38:28
  the
• 38:29
  direct
• 38:29
  descendants
• 38:30
  of
• 38:30
  apartheid
• 38:32
  are
• 38:32
  welcome.
• 38:33
  The
• 38:34
  brown
• 38:35
  folks
• 38:36
  and
• 38:36
  black
• 38:36
  folks
• 38:37
  and
• 38:37
  other
• 38:38
  folks
• 38:38
  don't
• 38:39
  seem
• 38:39
  to
• 38:39
  fit
• 38:39
  the
• 38:40
  bill.
• 38:40
  And
• 38:41
  so
• 38:41
  it's
• 38:42
  directly
• 38:43
  kind
• 38:44
  of
• 38:44
  counter
• 38:45
  to
• 38:46
  our
• 38:47
  philosophy
• 38:48
  of
• 38:49
  how
• 38:49
  we
• 38:49
  try
• 38:49
  to
• 38:50
  become
• 38:50
  more
• 38:50
  inclusive
• 38:51
  over
• 38:52
  time,
• 38:52
  which
• 38:52
  is
• 38:52
  a
• 38:53
  general
• 38:53
  direction.
• 38:54
  It
• 38:54
  certainly
• 38:55
  hasn't
• 38:55
  been
• 38:55
  perfect
• 38:56
  and
• 38:57
  it's.
• 38:57
  It
• 38:58
  certainly
• 38:58
  haven't
• 38:58
  been
• 38:59
  fully
• 38:59
  achieved
• 39:00
  in
• 39:00
  terms
• 39:00
  of
• 39:00
  our
• 39:01
  ability
• 39:02
  of
• 39:02
  providing
• 39:02
  equal
• 39:03
  protection
• 39:04
  to
• 39:04
  all
• 39:04
  beings
• 39:05
  our
• 39:05
  country.
• 39:06
  We
• 39:06
  need
• 39:06
  to
• 39:06
  see
• 39:06
  that.
• 39:07
  And,
• 39:07
  and
• 39:08
  so
• 39:09
  it's
• 39:09
  quite
• 39:09
  problematic
• 39:10
  and
• 39:11
  it
• 39:11
  does
• 39:11
  require
• 39:12
  us
• 39:12
  to
• 39:12
  take
• 39:12
  a
• 39:12
  look
• 39:13
  at
• 39:13
  who
• 39:13
  we
• 39:13
  are.
• 39:14
  Yeah,
• 39:15
  I
• 39:15
  think
• 39:16
  in
• 39:16
  line
• 39:16
  with
• 39:16
  what
• 39:17
  you've
• 39:17
  been
• 39:18
  been
• 39:18
  saying,
• 39:18
  Mark,
• 39:19
  one
• 39:19
  of
• 39:19
  the
• 39:20
  hallmarks
• 39:20
  of
• 39:22
  progress,
• 39:22
  both
• 39:23
  in
• 39:23
  individual
• 39:24
  maturation
• 39:25
  and
• 39:25
  in
• 39:26
  cultural
• 39:26
  evolution
• 39:28
  is
• 39:28
  what's
• 39:29
  called
• 39:29
  the
• 39:29
  expanding
• 39:30
  circles
• 39:30
  of
• 39:30
  care.
• 39:31
  As
• 39:31
  we
• 39:32
  mature,
• 39:33
  either
• 39:33
  as
• 39:33
  individuals
• 39:34
  or
• 39:34
  as
• 39:34
  nations,
• 39:35
  who
• 39:36
  we
• 39:36
  care
• 39:36
  for
• 39:37
  and
• 39:37
  embrace
• 39:37
  and
• 39:38
  include
• 39:39
  tends
• 39:39
  to
• 39:39
  increase,
• 39:40
  going
• 39:41
  from
• 39:41
  a
• 39:41
  egocentric
• 39:43
  to
• 39:43
  ethnocentric
• 39:44
  my
• 39:45
  country,
• 39:45
  my
• 39:45
  world,
• 39:46
  my
• 39:46
  group,
• 39:46
  to
• 39:47
  a
• 39:47
  world
• 39:47
  centric
• 39:48
  perspective.
• 39:49
  And
• 39:49
  that
• 39:50
  you've
• 39:50
  talked
• 39:50
  about
• 39:51
  the
• 39:51
  Enlightenment
• 39:51
  at
• 39:52
  several
• 39:52
  steps.
• 39:52
  That's
• 39:53
  one
• 39:53
  of
• 39:53
  the
• 39:53
  hallmarks
• 39:53
  of
• 39:54
  the
• 39:54
  Enlightenment,
• 39:54
  that
• 39:55
  it
• 39:55
  became
• 39:55
  for
• 39:55
  the
• 39:56
  first
• 39:56
  time
• 39:56
  in
• 39:56
  history,
• 39:57
  a
• 39:57
  universal
• 39:58
  or
• 39:58
  world
• 39:59
  world
• 39:59
  concern,
• 40:00
  a
• 40:00
  concern
• 40:01
  for
• 40:01
  universal
• 40:02
  human
• 40:02
  rights,
• 40:02
  etc.
• 40:03
  And
• 40:03
  here
• 40:04
  we
• 40:04
  have
• 40:05
  a
• 40:05
  value
• 40:06
  system
• 40:06
  centered
• 40:07
  on
• 40:08
  a
• 40:09
  smaller
• 40:09
  group,
• 40:10
  a
• 40:10
  nationalist
• 40:11
  us
• 40:12
  versus
• 40:13
  them
• 40:14
  again.
• 40:15
  And
• 40:15
  one
• 40:15
  thing
• 40:15
  you.
• 40:16
  A
• 40:16
  couple
• 40:16
  of
• 40:16
  things
• 40:17
  you
• 40:17
  haven't
• 40:17
  mentioned
• 40:17
  here.
• 40:18
  In
• 40:18
  terms
• 40:18
  of
• 40:18
  the
• 40:18
  inclusivity
• 40:19
  and
• 40:19
  care
• 40:19
  and
• 40:20
  concern.
• 40:20
  One
• 40:21
  of
• 40:21
  the
• 40:21
  Key
• 40:21
  elements
• 40:22
  of
• 40:22
  project
• 40:22
  when
• 40:23
  you
• 40:23
  25,
• 40:23
  which
• 40:24
  is
• 40:24
  seeing
• 40:25
  now
• 40:25
  implemented
• 40:26
  or
• 40:26
  attempting
• 40:26
  to
• 40:27
  be
• 40:27
  implemented
• 40:27
  in
• 40:27
  the
• 40:28
  current
• 40:28
  big
• 40:29
  beautiful
• 40:29
  bill
• 40:30
  budget
• 40:31
  that's
• 40:31
  in
• 40:32
  progress
• 40:32
  at
• 40:33
  the
• 40:33
  moment
• 40:33
  is
• 40:34
  slashing
• 40:35
  Medicare
• 40:35
  and
• 40:35
  Medicaid,
• 40:36
  which
• 40:37
  always.
• 40:38
  Which
• 40:38
  I
• 40:38
  just
• 40:38
  can't
• 40:39
  square
• 40:39
  with
• 40:40
  the
• 40:41
  Christian
• 40:41
  nationalist
• 40:42
  values.
• 40:42
  I
• 40:43
  mean,
• 40:43
  Jesus
• 40:44
  couldn't
• 40:44
  have
• 40:44
  talked.
• 40:45
  Went
• 40:46
  horse
• 40:46
  talking
• 40:46
  about
• 40:47
  the
• 40:47
  poor
• 40:48
  and.
• 40:49
  And
• 40:49
  the
• 40:50
  necessity
• 40:50
  of
• 40:50
  caring
• 40:51
  for
• 40:51
  them,
• 40:51
  but
• 40:52
  slashing
• 40:52
  Medicare
• 40:53
  and
• 40:53
  Medicaid,
• 40:54
  I
• 40:54
  just
• 40:54
  don't
• 40:54
  get
• 40:54
  it.
• 40:56
  Yeah,
• 40:58
  there's
• 40:58
  kind
• 40:58
  of
• 40:58
  a
• 40:59
  form
• 40:59
  of
• 41:01
  fundamental
• 41:02
  Christianity
• 41:02
  that
• 41:04
  is
• 41:05
  kind
• 41:05
  of
• 41:06
  reflective
• 41:07
  of
• 41:07
  the
• 41:08
  idea
• 41:09
  of
• 41:09
  not
• 41:09
  about
• 41:10
  mercy,
• 41:10
  but
• 41:10
  more
• 41:11
  about
• 41:12
  accountability
• 41:13
  and
• 41:14
  picking
• 41:14
  yourself
• 41:15
  up
• 41:15
  by
• 41:15
  your
• 41:15
  own
• 41:15
  bootstraps
• 41:17
  and
• 41:17
  taking
• 41:17
  care
• 41:18
  of
• 41:18
  yourself
• 41:18
  and
• 41:19
  your
• 41:19
  family,
• 41:20
  not
• 41:20
  relying
• 41:21
  on
• 41:21
  others.
• 41:22
  Some
• 41:23
  of
• 41:23
  the
• 41:24
  early
• 41:24
  Christians
• 41:25
  that
• 41:25
  came
• 41:26
  to
• 41:26
  the
• 41:26
  United
• 41:26
  States,
• 41:27
  you
• 41:27
  know,
• 41:28
  on,
• 41:29
  you
• 41:29
  know,
• 41:30
  to
• 41:30
  Plymouth
• 41:30
  Rock
• 41:31
  and
• 41:31
  that
• 41:31
  period
• 41:33
  really
• 41:33
  kind
• 41:33
  of
• 41:33
  reflected
• 41:34
  that
• 41:34
  and
• 41:35
  you
• 41:35
  see
• 41:36
  that
• 41:36
  as
• 41:36
  a
• 41:36
  strong
• 41:36
  part
• 41:37
  of
• 41:37
  it.
• 41:37
  And
• 41:38
  so
• 41:38
  that
• 41:38
  rhetoric,
• 41:39
  Roger,
• 41:40
  that
• 41:41
  is
• 41:41
  so
• 41:41
  beautiful
• 41:42
  and
• 41:42
  kind
• 41:42
  of
• 41:43
  central
• 41:43
  to
• 41:44
  the
• 41:44
  essential
• 41:45
  teachings
• 41:45
  of
• 41:46
  Jesus.
• 41:46
  And
• 41:47
  I
• 41:47
  think
• 41:48
  back
• 41:48
  to
• 41:48
  your
• 41:48
  book
• 41:48
  Essential
• 41:49
  Spirituality
• 41:50
  and
• 41:51
  those
• 41:51
  sections
• 41:52
  of
• 41:52
  Christianity
• 41:53
  that
• 41:53
  connect
• 41:54
  with
• 41:54
  the
• 41:54
  other
• 41:54
  contemplative
• 41:55
  traditions.
• 41:57
  That
• 41:57
  rhetoric
• 41:58
  is
• 41:58
  not
• 41:58
  a
• 41:58
  part
• 41:59
  of
• 41:59
  the
• 41:59
  Christian
• 42:00
  fundamental
• 42:00
  movement.
• 42:01
  And,
• 42:02
  you
• 42:02
  know,
• 42:02
  there
• 42:03
  are
• 42:03
  basic
• 42:04
  notions.
• 42:04
  You
• 42:04
  know,
• 42:05
  I
• 42:05
  was
• 42:05
  having
• 42:05
  lunch
• 42:05
  with
• 42:06
  a
• 42:06
  colleague
• 42:06
  yesterday
• 42:07
  who
• 42:08
  attended
• 42:09
  earlier
• 42:09
  in
• 42:10
  their
• 42:10
  life,
• 42:10
  they
• 42:10
  attended
• 42:11
  some
• 42:11
  Christian
• 42:12
  universities
• 42:13
  and
• 42:13
  they
• 42:14
  were
• 42:15
  not
• 42:15
  allowed
• 42:15
  to
• 42:17
  date
• 42:17
  people
• 42:17
  of
• 42:18
  a
• 42:18
  different
• 42:18
  race
• 42:19
  or
• 42:19
  a
• 42:20
  different
• 42:20
  religion.
• 42:22
  And,
• 42:22
  you
• 42:23
  know,
• 42:23
  so
• 42:23
  those
• 42:23
  notions
• 42:24
  of
• 42:24
  inclusivity,
• 42:25
  you
• 42:26
  know,
• 42:26
  subjugation
• 42:27
  of
• 42:27
  the
• 42:27
  role
• 42:28
  of
• 42:28
  the
• 42:28
  woman,
• 42:29
  the
• 42:29
  responsibility
• 42:30
  of
• 42:30
  the
• 42:30
  man
• 42:31
  and
• 42:31
  those
• 42:32
  relations,
• 42:32
  those
• 42:33
  are
• 42:33
  kind
• 42:33
  of
• 42:34
  central
• 42:34
  to
• 42:35
  the
• 42:35
  rhetoric
• 42:36
  of
• 42:36
  the
• 42:36
  Christian
• 42:37
  movement
• 42:37
  of
• 42:37
  today
• 42:39
  that
• 42:39
  is
• 42:40
  foundational
• 42:41
  to
• 42:41
  the
• 42:41
  Republican
• 42:42
  Party
• 42:42
  and
• 42:43
  not
• 42:43
  the
• 42:43
  rhetoric
• 42:44
  of
• 42:44
  our
• 42:44
  new
• 42:44
  Pope
• 42:45
  Leo
• 42:46
  or
• 42:47
  our
• 42:47
  former
• 42:47
  Pope
• 42:48
  Francis,
• 42:49
  who
• 42:50
  started
• 42:50
  his
• 42:51
  time
• 42:52
  by
• 42:52
  washing
• 42:52
  the
• 42:53
  feet
• 42:53
  of
• 42:53
  the
• 42:53
  poor
• 42:53
  and
• 42:54
  moving
• 42:54
  out
• 42:55
  of
• 42:55
  the
• 42:56
  palatial
• 42:57
  papal
• 42:58
  apartments.
• 42:58
  Yeah,
• 42:59
  yeah.
• 42:59
  He
• 42:59
  stayed
• 43:00
  in
• 43:00
  a
• 43:00
  guest
• 43:00
  house
• 43:00
  the
• 43:00
  whole
• 43:01
  time.
• 43:01
  He
• 43:01
  was.
• 43:01
  Right.
• 43:03
  Right.
• 43:03
  And
• 43:04
  so
• 43:04
  you
• 43:04
  hear
• 43:04
  the
• 43:05
  rhetoric
• 43:05
  of
• 43:06
  Leo
• 43:06
  today
• 43:07
  more
• 43:07
  in
• 43:08
  the
• 43:08
  Jesuit
• 43:08
  tradition
• 43:09
  of
• 43:10
  loving
• 43:11
  all
• 43:11
  beings
• 43:11
  and
• 43:12
  being
• 43:12
  inclusive
• 43:13
  to
• 43:13
  all
• 43:13
  being.
• 43:13
  So
• 43:14
  there
• 43:14
  is
• 43:14
  a
• 43:16
  fundamental.
• 43:17
  There
• 43:17
  is
• 43:17
  a
• 43:17
  lot
• 43:17
  at
• 43:17
  stake.
• 43:19
  And
• 43:20
  when
• 43:20
  there's
• 43:21
  a
• 43:21
  lot
• 43:21
  on
• 43:21
  the
• 43:22
  line
• 43:22
  in
• 43:22
  terms
• 43:23
  of
• 43:23
  our
• 43:23
  trajectory
• 43:24
  and
• 43:24
  where
• 43:25
  we're
• 43:25
  going,
• 43:25
  because
• 43:26
  the
• 43:26
  way
• 43:26
  I
• 43:27
  see
• 43:27
  it
• 43:27
  is
• 43:27
  that
• 43:28
  much
• 43:29
  of
• 43:29
  what
• 43:30
  is
• 43:30
  reflective
• 43:32
  of
• 43:32
  what
• 43:33
  the
• 43:33
  current
• 43:34
  Republican
• 43:34
  Party
• 43:34
  is
• 43:35
  putting
• 43:35
  out
• 43:35
  there
• 43:35
  is
• 43:37
  somewhat
• 43:38
  regressing
• 43:39
  us
• 43:39
  into
• 43:40
  values
• 43:41
  that
• 43:41
  we've
• 43:42
  had
• 43:42
  an
• 43:42
  opportunity
• 43:42
  to
• 43:43
  transcend,
• 43:43
  that
• 43:43
  we
• 43:43
  have
• 43:44
  to
• 43:44
  go
• 43:44
  beyond.
• 43:45
  And
• 43:45
  so
• 43:46
  I'm
• 43:46
  quite
• 43:46
  worried
• 43:47
  about
• 43:47
  it.
• 43:47
  But
• 43:49
  let
• 43:49
  me
• 43:49
  be
• 43:49
  clear.
• 43:49
  There
• 43:50
  bears
• 43:50
  a
• 43:50
  responsibility
• 43:52
  of
• 43:53
  the
• 43:53
  left
• 43:54
  and
• 43:55
  how
• 43:55
  they've
• 43:55
  chosen
• 43:56
  to
• 43:56
  handle
• 43:56
  things
• 43:57
  that
• 43:58
  has
• 43:58
  created
• 44:00
  cannon
• 44:00
  fodder.
• 44:01
  Yeah.
• 44:01
  It's
• 44:02
  made
• 44:02
  it
• 44:02
  easy
• 44:03
  for
• 44:03
  the
• 44:03
  far
• 44:03
  right
• 44:04
  forces.
• 44:04
  They
• 44:04
  just
• 44:04
  made
• 44:05
  it
• 44:05
  easy.
• 44:06
  Right.
• 44:06
  And
• 44:07
  so
• 44:07
  people
• 44:07
  that
• 44:07
  are
• 44:08
  kind
• 44:08
  of
• 44:08
  vulnerable
• 44:09
  and
• 44:10
  have,
• 44:10
  you
• 44:10
  know,
• 44:10
  we
• 44:10
  have
• 44:11
  thousands
• 44:11
  of
• 44:11
  different
• 44:12
  ways
• 44:12
  of
• 44:12
  hearing
• 44:13
  things
• 44:14
  now
• 44:14
  with
• 44:14
  all
• 44:15
  different
• 44:15
  kinds
• 44:15
  of
• 44:15
  media
• 44:16
  sources
• 44:17
  and,
• 44:17
  you
• 44:17
  know,
• 44:17
  there's
• 44:18
  an
• 44:18
  assault
• 44:18
  on
• 44:18
  higher
• 44:19
  education
• 44:20
  in
• 44:20
  terms
• 44:20
  of,
• 44:21
  you
• 44:22
  know,
• 44:22
  what
• 44:22
  I
• 44:22
  think
• 44:23
  is
• 44:23
  an
• 44:24
  assault
• 44:24
  on
• 44:24
  critical
• 44:25
  thinking
• 44:25
  because
• 44:26
  it's
• 44:26
  quite
• 44:27
  easier
• 44:28
  when
• 44:28
  we
• 44:29
  have
• 44:29
  individuals.
• 44:30
  This
• 44:30
  isn't
• 44:30
  just
• 44:31
  about
• 44:32
  leftist,
• 44:32
  in
• 44:33
  my
• 44:33
  opinion,
• 44:34
  this
• 44:34
  isn't
• 44:34
  just
• 44:34
  about
• 44:35
  leftist
• 44:35
  stuff
• 44:36
  at
• 44:36
  universities.
• 44:36
  And
• 44:37
  let
• 44:37
  me
• 44:37
  tell
• 44:37
  you,
• 44:37
  they're
• 44:38
  right
• 44:38
  about
• 44:38
  that.
• 44:39
  They
• 44:39
  are
• 44:40
  quite
• 44:40
  right
• 44:41
  about
• 44:42
  that.
• 44:42
  You
• 44:42
  better
• 44:42
  get
• 44:42
  in
• 44:43
  line.
• 44:44
  And
• 44:44
  speaking
• 44:45
  in
• 44:45
  certain
• 44:45
  anti
• 44:46
  racist
• 44:46
  ways,
• 44:49
  universities
• 44:49
  I
• 44:50
  work
• 44:50
  at
• 44:50
  one,
• 44:50
  I've
• 44:51
  seen
• 44:51
  it.
• 44:52
  I've
• 44:52
  seen
• 44:52
  the
• 44:52
  alienation
• 44:54
  of
• 44:54
  my
• 44:54
  business
• 44:55
  colleagues.
• 44:56
  I've
• 44:56
  seen
• 44:57
  folks
• 44:57
  who
• 44:58
  have
• 44:58
  challenged
• 44:58
  some
• 44:58
  of
• 44:59
  the
• 44:59
  anti
• 45:00
  racist
• 45:00
  rhetoric.
• 45:01
  Just
• 45:01
  again,
• 45:02
  at
• 45:02
  lunch
• 45:02
  yesterday,
• 45:03
  someone
• 45:03
  was
• 45:04
  challenged
• 45:04
  some
• 45:04
  of
• 45:04
  the
• 45:05
  rhetoric
• 45:05
  that
• 45:05
  was
• 45:05
  put
• 45:06
  out
• 45:07
  by
• 45:08
  kind
• 45:08
  of
• 45:09
  someone
• 45:09
  who
• 45:10
  did
• 45:10
  a
• 45:10
  program
• 45:10
  on
• 45:11
  anti
• 45:11
  racist
• 45:11
  stuff.
• 45:12
  And
• 45:12
  they
• 45:12
  were
• 45:13
  challenging
• 45:13
  it
• 45:14
  and
• 45:14
  they
• 45:14
  were
• 45:15
  reported
• 45:15
  to
• 45:16
  the
• 45:16
  provost,
• 45:16
  there
• 45:17
  was
• 45:17
  a
• 45:17
  letter
• 45:17
  where
• 45:18
  they
• 45:18
  were
• 45:18
  included
• 45:19
  and
• 45:20
  it
• 45:20
  was
• 45:21
  quite
• 45:21
  shocking.
• 45:21
  And
• 45:22
  I
• 45:22
  just
• 45:22
  learned
• 45:22
  about
• 45:22
  that
• 45:23
  yesterday.
• 45:23
  And
• 45:24
  so
• 45:24
  there
• 45:25
  is
• 45:25
  that.
• 45:26
  But
• 45:26
  I
• 45:27
  also
• 45:27
  believe
• 45:27
  that
• 45:28
  there
• 45:28
  is
• 45:28
  a
• 45:29
  very
• 45:29
  strong
• 45:29
  understanding
• 45:30
  of
• 45:30
  these
• 45:30
  individuals
• 45:31
  that
• 45:31
  were
• 45:32
  educated
• 45:32
  at
• 45:32
  elite
• 45:33
  universities,
• 45:34
  from
• 45:34
  J.D.
• 45:34
  vance
• 45:35
  to
• 45:35
  President
• 45:36
  Trump
• 45:36
  on
• 45:37
  down
• 45:37
  the
• 45:37
  line,
• 45:38
  who
• 45:38
  understand
• 45:40
  that
• 45:40
  a
• 45:41
  certain
• 45:41
  level
• 45:41
  of
• 45:41
  critical
• 45:42
  thinking,
• 45:43
  rational
• 45:43
  thinking,
• 45:44
  which
• 45:45
  leads
• 45:45
  to
• 45:45
  post
• 45:45
  rational
• 45:46
  understanding
• 45:47
  and
• 45:47
  spiritual
• 45:47
  understanding
• 45:48
  of
• 45:48
  who
• 45:48
  we
• 45:48
  are
• 45:48
  as
• 45:48
  a
• 45:49
  people,
• 45:49
  that
• 45:50
  those
• 45:50
  are
• 45:50
  direct
• 45:51
  threats
• 45:52
  to,
• 45:53
  you
• 45:53
  know,
• 45:53
  having
• 45:54
  to
• 45:54
  embrace
• 45:54
  a
• 45:55
  mythic,
• 45:56
  authoritarian
• 45:57
  might
• 45:58
  is
• 45:58
  right
• 45:58
  approach
• 45:59
  to
• 46:00
  reality.
• 46:00
  That
• 46:01
  an
• 46:01
  approach
• 46:01
  that's
• 46:02
  based
• 46:02
  on
• 46:02
  egoic,
• 46:03
  you
• 46:03
  know,
• 46:03
  drill,
• 46:03
  baby,
• 46:04
  drill,
• 46:05
  based
• 46:05
  on
• 46:05
  monetary
• 46:06
  reward
• 46:07
  making
• 46:08
  my
• 46:08
  life
• 46:08
  easier
• 46:09
  as
• 46:09
  opposed
• 46:09
  to
• 46:09
  seeing
• 46:10
  my
• 46:10
  relationship
• 46:11
  to
• 46:11
  the
• 46:11
  earth,
• 46:12
  my
• 46:12
  relationship
• 46:13
  to
• 46:13
  all
• 46:13
  beings,
• 46:13
  my
• 46:14
  obligation
• 46:15
  to
• 46:15
  all
• 46:15
  beings.
• 46:16
  This
• 46:17
  is
• 46:17
  all
• 46:18
  when
• 46:18
  we
• 46:19
  have
• 46:19
  these
• 46:19
  conversations
• 46:20
  in
• 46:20
  class
• 46:21
  that
• 46:22
  require
• 46:22
  critical
• 46:23
  rational,
• 46:24
  to
• 46:24
  post
• 46:24
  rational
• 46:25
  thinking
• 46:26
  that
• 46:26
  is
• 46:27
  directly
• 46:28
  contradicting
• 46:29
  what
• 46:30
  they
• 46:30
  want
• 46:30
  to
• 46:30
  accomplish.
• 46:30
  And
• 46:31
  they
• 46:31
  understand
• 46:31
  that.
• 46:32
  And
• 46:32
  so
• 46:32
  the
• 46:33
  assault
• 46:33
  on
• 46:33
  universities,
• 46:34
  I
• 46:35
  think
• 46:35
  is
• 46:35
  more
• 46:36
  than
• 46:36
  just
• 46:37
  about
• 46:37
  DEI
• 46:38
  stuff,
• 46:39
  which
• 46:39
  is
• 46:39
  real
• 46:40
  and
• 46:40
  problematic.
• 46:41
  How
• 46:41
  we
• 46:42
  go
• 46:42
  about
• 46:42
  fixing
• 46:43
  some
• 46:43
  of
• 46:43
  that
• 46:44
  certainly
• 46:45
  doesn't
• 46:45
  have
• 46:46
  to
• 46:46
  be
• 46:46
  about
• 46:46
  cutting
• 46:47
  funding
• 46:48
  for,
• 46:49
  you
• 46:49
  know,
• 46:49
  for
• 46:50
  health
• 46:51
  organizations
• 46:52
  within,
• 46:52
  you
• 46:53
  know,
• 46:53
  John
• 46:53
  Hopkins,
• 46:54
  who
• 46:54
  lost
• 46:55
  $800
• 46:55
  million
• 46:56
  and
• 46:57
  some
• 46:57
  of
• 46:57
  their
• 46:57
  research
• 46:58
  was
• 46:58
  on
• 46:59
  breastfeeding
• 46:59
  in
• 47:00
  Baltimore
• 47:00
  and
• 47:01
  mosquitoes
• 47:02
  in
• 47:02
  Mozambique.
• 47:03
  That
• 47:03
  kind
• 47:04
  of
• 47:04
  can
• 47:04
  help
• 47:04
  populations
• 47:06
  that,
• 47:06
  you
• 47:07
  know,
• 47:07
  there's
• 47:07
  an
• 47:07
  attack
• 47:08
  on
• 47:08
  knowledge.
• 47:09
  Yeah,
• 47:10
  well,
• 47:10
  and
• 47:11
  so,
• 47:11
  but
• 47:11
  we're
• 47:12
  really
• 47:12
  throwing
• 47:12
  the
• 47:13
  baby
• 47:13
  out
• 47:13
  of
• 47:13
  the
• 47:13
  bathwater
• 47:14
  with
• 47:14
  that.
• 47:15
  I'll
• 47:15
  stop
• 47:15
  and
• 47:15
  let
• 47:15
  you
• 47:16
  both
• 47:16
  respond.
• 47:17
  Stay
• 47:18
  tuned
• 47:18
  for
• 47:18
  part
• 47:18
  two
• 47:19
  of
• 47:19
  this
• 47:19
  amazing
• 47:19
  conversation
• 47:20
  with
• 47:21
  Mark
• 47:21
  Fischler
• 47:21
  where
• 47:22
  we
• 47:22
  don't
• 47:22
  change
• 47:22
  names
• 47:23
  to
• 47:23
  protect
• 47:23
  the
• 47:24
  guilty.
• 47:24
  Thank
• 47:25
  you
• 47:25
  very
• 47:25
  much
• 47:26
  for
• 47:26
  being
• 47:26
  a
• 47:26
  part
• 47:26
  of
• 47:27
  this
• 47:27
  conversation.
• 47:28
  We
• 47:28
  hope
• 47:28
  that
• 47:28
  you
• 47:29
  were
• 47:29
  moved
• 47:29
  as
• 47:29
  we
• 47:30
  are
• 47:30
  moved
• 47:30
  being
• 47:31
  part
• 47:31
  of
• 47:31
  it
• 47:31
  ourselves
• 47:31
  ourselves.
• 47:32
  We'd
• 47:32
  also
• 47:33
  like
• 47:33
  to
• 47:33
  say
• 47:33
  that
• 47:33
  this
• 47:34
  is
• 47:34
  being
• 47:34
  funded
• 47:35
  by
• 47:35
  Roger
• 47:35
  and
• 47:35
  myself.
• 47:36
  It
• 47:36
  comes
• 47:36
  out
• 47:36
  of
• 47:36
  our
• 47:36
  pockets
• 47:37
  so
• 47:37
  if
• 47:37
  you
• 47:37
  would
• 47:37
  like
• 47:38
  to
• 47:38
  help
• 47:38
  us
• 47:38
  to
• 47:39
  mainly
• 47:40
  to
• 47:40
  get
• 47:40
  this
• 47:40
  podcast
• 47:41
  out
• 47:41
  to
• 47:41
  more
• 47:41
  people
• 47:42
  because
• 47:42
  the
• 47:42
  bigger
• 47:42
  audience
• 47:43
  have
• 47:43
  which
• 47:43
  is
• 47:43
  steadily
• 47:44
  growing
• 47:44
  but
• 47:44
  the
• 47:44
  more
• 47:45
  people
• 47:45
  we
• 47:45
  can
• 47:45
  reach
• 47:45
  and
• 47:46
  the
• 47:46
  more
• 47:46
  marketing
• 47:46
  we
• 47:47
  can
• 47:47
  do
• 47:47
  the
• 47:47
  more
• 47:48
  positive
• 47:48
  effect
• 47:48
  we
• 47:49
  can
• 47:49
  have
• 47:49
  on
• 47:49
  the
• 47:49
  world.
• 47:50
  So
• 47:50
  we've
• 47:50
  done
• 47:50
  a
• 47:50
  couple
• 47:51
  of
• 47:51
  ways
• 47:51
  but
• 47:51
  we'd
• 47:51
  like
• 47:51
  you
• 47:52
  to
• 47:52
  buy
• 47:52
  us
• 47:52
  a
• 47:52
  cup
• 47:53
  of
• 47:53
  coffee
• 47:53
  very
• 47:53
  simple
• 47:54
  and
• 47:54
  I
• 47:54
  do
• 47:54
  that
• 47:54
  with
• 47:55
  podcasts
• 47:56
  that
• 47:56
  I
• 47:56
  support
• 47:57
  and
• 47:57
  I
• 47:57
  found
• 47:58
  it
• 47:58
  very
• 47:58
  satisfying.
• 47:59
  So
• 47:59
  thank
• 47:59
  you
• 48:00
  for
• 48:00
  your
• 48:00
  help
• 48:00
  thank
• 48:01
  you
• 48:01
  for
• 48:01
  your
• 48:01
  presence
• 48:01
  and
• 48:02
  thank
• 48:02
  you
• 48:02
  for
• 48:02
  all
• 48:02
  you
• 48:03
  are
• 48:03
  and
• 48:03
  all
• 48:03
  you
• 48:04
  do.
• 48:04
  We
• 48:04
  love
• 48:04
  you.
• 48:23
  SA.