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- 0:10Speaker 1: Tonight on Beyond the dark Lands, one of Australia's most
- 0:14Speaker 1: vicious serial rapists and.
- 0:16Speaker 2: Murderers is a man who has no conscience, no soul.
- 0:21Speaker 1: Peter Gupaz was just a baby faced fifteen year old
- 0:24Speaker 1: schoolboy when his attacks against women.
- 0:26Speaker 3: Began.
- 0:27Speaker 4: Thinks just so nice. He was polite, he was nice.
- 0:29Speaker 4: Everybody thought he was lovely.
- 0:32Speaker 1: For over thirty years, Jupasz wove a web of violence
- 0:36Speaker 1: and brutality. He raped, mutilated, and ultimately killed.
- 0:41Speaker 5: He was trying with all his might to take my life.
- 0:46Speaker 6: Anybody can be a doctor jacky, mister hide.
- 0:48Speaker 1: Anybody described as a monster, a creature of pure evil. Tonight,
- 0:55Speaker 1: clinical psychologist doctor Lea Jarretano tells how Peter Gipaz came
- 1:00Speaker 1: from beyond the dark Lands.
- 1:06Speaker 7: Peter Dwpass is a living, breathing nightmare, a serial sexual sadist,
- 1:12Speaker 7: a lust murderer. He rapes and mutilates women, and he
- 1:15Speaker 7: can't be cured. A man like Peter Dwpass kills simply
- 1:19Speaker 7: because murder sexually arouses him, and the amount of sexual
- 1:22Speaker 7: fulfillment he gets depends upon the amount of torture he inflicts.
- 1:27Speaker 7: Come with me now into the mind of a true psychopath.
- 1:36Speaker 1: Peter Norris Juwpass's story begins in the middle class suburbs
- 1:40Speaker 1: of post war Australia. The third child of older parents,
- 1:46Speaker 1: he was born in Sydney on July third, nineteen fifty three.
- 1:51Speaker 1: When still a baby, Peter's family moved to Victoria.
- 1:55Speaker 8: It was a great family unit. They appeared to be
- 1:59Speaker 8: a certain the mother and the father for that money.
- 2:03Speaker 8: He was a hard working man and the mother was
- 2:05Speaker 8: a very loving person.
- 2:07Speaker 1: Jepaz's strict father, Norris, demanded perfection from his son, while
- 2:12Speaker 1: his mother, Merle, was overprotective, almost smothering towards her youngest.
- 2:17Speaker 9: Peter was the pride of his mother. His mother just
- 2:20Speaker 9: sort of had him up on a pedestal the whole time.
- 2:22Speaker 9: She just thought Pete was just wonderful, you know.
- 2:25Speaker 8: He had a great deal of respect for his mother,
- 2:28Speaker 8: and she likewise looked at Peter as her shining light.
- 2:34Speaker 1: From an early age, the one constant in Peter's life
- 2:38Speaker 1: was his elderly parents. With mostly them for company, Jepass
- 2:43Speaker 1: soon learned how to curry favor with adults.
- 2:46Speaker 9: Peter was always around him to walk me home at
- 2:49Speaker 9: night and see me inside, make sure that I got
- 2:52Speaker 9: inside or right at night.
- 2:54Speaker 1: By the early nineteen sixties, the family had finally settled
- 2:57Speaker 1: in brad Street Road, Mount Waverley, a quiet, leafy, middle
- 3:01Speaker 1: class suburb to the east of Melbourne.
- 3:03Speaker 10: There was a fantastic herea to grow up. There were
- 3:05Speaker 10: lots of young families, lots of children around, lots of
- 3:09Speaker 10: sporting activities, for school was only five minutes away. There
- 3:12Speaker 10: were lots of parks and fields and it was a
- 3:14Speaker 10: great place to grow up.
- 3:17Speaker 1: By the time Peter was twelve, his older siblings Robert
- 3:20Speaker 1: and Faye, had moved out of home and Peter enrolled
- 3:23Speaker 1: at Mount Waverley High School. He was a slow learner,
- 3:26Speaker 1: repeating his first year.
- 3:29Speaker 10: Nobody ever paid any attention to him, and if he
- 3:32Speaker 10: was absent or away or in the playground, you just
- 3:35Speaker 10: never knew he existed, you know, he was just sitting
- 3:37Speaker 10: in the room. He's very introverted and quiet, and we
- 3:43Speaker 10: just never really took any notice of him.
- 3:45Speaker 1: Jepassa schoolmates considered him strange and unfriendly.
- 3:50Speaker 11: I feel that Peter was a very unhappy person. I
- 3:55Speaker 11: remember of Peter tupas a very unhappy person.
- 3:59Speaker 3: He was short, fat.
- 4:03Speaker 10: Um and very plain. But he was very weak. And
- 4:07Speaker 10: when I say weak, I mean physically weak and mentally weak.
- 4:12Speaker 11: He was called punkly because he was overweight, he was slow,
- 4:16Speaker 11: and he looked like the little kid on the Adams family.
- 4:19Speaker 11: And he mustn't have liked that very much. But one day,
- 4:22Speaker 11: and particularly I remember, he was teased and someone had
- 4:26Speaker 11: called him Punksley, and at this particular time, maybe just
- 4:29Speaker 11: had a gutful of it, and he must have got angry.
- 4:32Speaker 11: I remember his face is changing. To me, it turned evil.
- 4:41Speaker 8: Peter didn't wand with his people of his own age,
- 4:44Speaker 8: so he had no peer group situation and he was
- 4:49Speaker 8: sort of a isolated.
- 4:53Speaker 9: My son did say that he had funny eyes, something
- 4:56Speaker 9: about his eyes that were a bit so scary. You know,
- 4:59Speaker 9: he very dark eyes.
- 5:01Speaker 8: Most people you can say, well that's the pupil, unless
- 5:04Speaker 8: the color of the eyes surrounding the pupil. But you
- 5:07Speaker 8: can't see it.
- 5:08Speaker 3: You can't.
- 5:08Speaker 8: It's very difficult to detect in Peter's eyes. My son said,
- 5:12Speaker 8: I don't know with Peter, but you know, he just
- 5:15Speaker 8: felt uncomfortable around Peter at that time.
- 5:19Speaker 7: There's increasing evidence that biology can play a role in
- 5:22Speaker 7: the creation of psychopaths and there's a theory that sexual
- 5:25Speaker 7: status are born with their neural pathways wired all wrong,
- 5:29Speaker 7: so that when they become sexually aroused, their brains tell
- 5:32Speaker 7: them to seek to devour to attack their prey.
- 5:38Speaker 1: Within a few short years of the Japaz family moving
- 5:41Speaker 1: into Mount Waverley, strange rumors began to surface of underwear
- 5:46Speaker 1: disappearing from clotheslines and menacing eyes peering at women.
- 5:50Speaker 8: The neighborhood chat was the fact that there was a
- 5:53Speaker 8: pining ton in our particular area, and we were all
- 5:57Speaker 8: very vigilant and concerned.
- 6:00Speaker 1: Peter Gipaz was fifteen years old and showing the first
- 6:04Speaker 1: signs of a confused and disturbing sexual profile. One November
- 6:10Speaker 1: day in nineteen sixty eight, still dressed in his school uniform,
- 6:14Speaker 1: he paid a visit to the young mother next door.
- 6:17Speaker 1: She was home alone with her five week old baby.
- 6:21Speaker 5: I went to the door and Peter was there, and
- 6:25Speaker 5: he said, with a bit of an urgency in his voice,
- 6:27Speaker 5: he said, can you lend me a knife because I
- 6:31Speaker 5: need to peel some potatoes? And well, dumb me, I
- 6:35Speaker 5: didn't think twice about it. I went to the drawer
- 6:38Speaker 5: and gave him one of those ill sharp knives and
- 6:43Speaker 5: he took her and within seconds he came towards me.
- 6:51Speaker 5: From then it was on. I mean, I ended up
- 6:53Speaker 5: lying on the floor with him on top of me,
- 6:56Speaker 5: and I was cut. My hands were cut because I
- 6:59Speaker 5: was writing to keep the knife away from me, couldn't
- 7:05Speaker 5: run away because my baby was there.
- 7:08Speaker 3: I was grasping its straw.
- 7:09Speaker 5: Saying, look, you need help, You need someone to help.
- 7:13Speaker 5: You will help you.
- 7:14Speaker 7: You'll be all right.
- 7:16Speaker 5: And then he was mumbling, actually, and he says, I've
- 7:23Speaker 5: got to finish it. I've got to finish it. That's
- 7:25Speaker 5: what he was saying when I was trying to get
- 7:27Speaker 5: control of him.
- 7:29Speaker 1: The frenzied attack was over as quickly as it had begun.
- 7:34Speaker 5: I survived, which was a miracle, because he was trying,
- 7:38Speaker 5: he was trying with all his might to take my life.
- 7:44Speaker 5: Simple as that.
- 7:48Speaker 7: It is a shock to hear that Peter you Pass
- 7:50Speaker 7: carried out such a violent attack on his neighbor when
- 7:53Speaker 7: he was only fifteen. But you see, he would have
- 7:55Speaker 7: been having violent fantasies from as young as five or six.
- 7:59Speaker 7: He would have been planning his first rape as early
- 8:01Speaker 7: as ten or twelve. Gepass is week, so he's targeted
- 8:06Speaker 7: a young woman with a baby, knowing she can't escape.
- 8:09Speaker 7: But he's also fixated on mothers. He feels both discussed
- 8:13Speaker 7: and intense sexual arousal for mothers and for women of
- 8:16Speaker 7: any age.
- 8:20Speaker 1: No one felt safe anymore in the leafy streets of
- 8:22Speaker 1: Mount Waverley, and now that Gepaz was aware of how
- 8:26Speaker 1: powerfully felt with the knife in his hand, no one
- 8:30Speaker 1: was safe. Peter Gipaz's shocking criminal career began as a
- 8:37Speaker 1: fifteen year old schoolboy when in nineteen sixty eight he
- 8:42Speaker 1: violently attacked his next door neighbor with her own kitchen knife.
- 8:47Speaker 1: Gipasz received eighteen months probation for the attack and was
- 8:51Speaker 1: also sent to the Larundel Psychiatric Hospital for observation.
- 8:55Speaker 5: When he was in Larundel, with the reports of him
- 8:58Speaker 5: there where he was a model child, so caring and
- 9:01Speaker 5: friendly and lovely and helpful and everything just perfect. But
- 9:06Speaker 5: I've heard that he was very good at being like that.
- 9:12Speaker 1: He was released after just two weeks, with a psychiatrist
- 9:15Speaker 1: noting Peter appeared to have been overprotected by his mother.
- 9:20Speaker 9: I spoke to Merle on the phone and she said
- 9:22Speaker 9: his mother, and she said, oh, Carol, she said, it
- 9:25Speaker 9: was just a brainstorm to Pete Han, She's a brainstorm,
- 9:28Speaker 9: she said, And I thought, well, that's very strange, you know.
- 9:33Speaker 5: Yeah, it was unbelievable that he was back home so quickly.
- 9:39Speaker 5: And I said to the police, why is this so,
- 9:43Speaker 5: I mean, how do we know what he's going to
- 9:45Speaker 5: do next? They said, we don't.
- 9:49Speaker 12: We don't know.
- 9:51Speaker 7: No one could know what Tupass would do next, because
- 9:54Speaker 7: his appetite to rape or kill would overcome him at
- 9:56Speaker 7: any time. When his mother denies the series bousness of
- 10:00Speaker 7: this attack, we have to wonder what else she might
- 10:03Speaker 7: have missed in her son's upbringing. Failing to intervene when
- 10:06Speaker 7: a child liked you pass exhibits bizarre or violent behavior
- 10:10Speaker 7: just reinforces that behavior. The child sees it as normal,
- 10:14Speaker 7: but no one else does. He's rejected, and that sends
- 10:17Speaker 7: him back into his fantasy world where he feels powerful,
- 10:20Speaker 7: and that's where he'll shape his next act of violence.
- 10:26Speaker 1: Peter Gupaz was evolving into a strange and violent predator,
- 10:30Speaker 1: a psychopath, and the peaceful community of Mount Waverley could
- 10:34Speaker 1: never be quite the same again.
- 10:37Speaker 8: I think that just everybody was aware and very cautious.
- 10:41Speaker 9: There was a real shock to us, in a terrible shock,
- 10:45Speaker 9: as it was to everybody.
- 10:46Speaker 3: I think we.
- 10:47Speaker 5: Moved out within weeks. We pretty quickly realized that there
- 10:52Speaker 5: was no way we could stay there. Well, it was
- 10:58Speaker 5: just not an option.
- 11:01Speaker 1: Jupas managed to hide his true self. His family threw
- 11:05Speaker 1: a protective shroud over the disturbed teenager. His older brother
- 11:11Speaker 1: Bob always looked out for him, and when he was seventeen,
- 11:14Speaker 1: he left school and went to work with Bob as
- 11:17Speaker 1: an apprentice fitter and turner at the local factory.
- 11:21Speaker 6: The impression that we got with Peter was that he
- 11:23Speaker 6: was a good young kid.
- 11:25Speaker 3: He was a very helpful young man. He had a
- 11:28Speaker 3: baby face. People used to like him and mother.
- 11:31Speaker 6: Him a little bit if you liked the isle of
- 11:33Speaker 6: women at the plant.
- 11:34Speaker 8: He was.
- 11:36Speaker 13: About five foot seven, He was a bit at stupid shoulders,
- 11:41Speaker 13: He had blonde hair, He had a smile. He seemed
- 11:45Speaker 13: happy enough.
- 11:47Speaker 1: Tupass worked hard to maintain this facade of normality, but
- 11:51Speaker 1: cracks would soon begin to appear.
- 11:54Speaker 6: Peter had a girlfriend at the time, but I didn't
- 11:56Speaker 6: know her even the leaving name, even being engaged to
- 12:02Speaker 6: her at one stage.
- 12:03Speaker 13: I think her name was Heather and she was a
- 12:05Speaker 13: nurse when we had our Christmas dance, I think the
- 12:10Speaker 13: first year that did was there. He walked in and
- 12:14Speaker 13: his girlfriend had a couple of black eyes, and I
- 12:17Speaker 13: didn't say nothing to him at at the time, but
- 12:20Speaker 13: the Monday the following mondays, as I've pete, you know,
- 12:23Speaker 13: you shouldn't really hit your girlfriend, and that's when he
- 12:26Speaker 13: turned around and belted me in the stomach, and I
- 12:30Speaker 13: was quite I wasn't hurt, but I was quite surprised
- 12:32Speaker 13: that he had the a gumption to have a go
- 12:35Speaker 13: at me.
- 12:35Speaker 6: Peter was living a double life and certainly filling a
- 12:39Speaker 6: lot of people.
- 12:44Speaker 7: You can't pick a psychopath by their appearance. They're successful
- 12:48Speaker 7: in fooling people into thinking they're harmless because they usually
- 12:51Speaker 7: look like everybody else, and psychopaths are experts at lying
- 12:56Speaker 7: for them, no one else matters, so they feel no anxiety.
- 12:59Speaker 7: When they're conning manipulating you, they'll seem very convincing and
- 13:03Speaker 7: they quickly learn from you about your weaknesses. That's their
- 13:06Speaker 7: whole focus upon meeting you, so they can easily lead
- 13:09Speaker 7: double lives.
- 13:12Speaker 1: Gupass took refuge behind those he knew would protect him.
- 13:17Speaker 1: Within this safe work environment, he began to meticulously plan
- 13:21Speaker 1: a series of sexual attacks just two suburbs from his home.
- 13:26Speaker 13: I seen him at his car and I happened to
- 13:29Speaker 13: walk up one day and I saw a standing knife,
- 13:32Speaker 13: some tape and some cordsets in the back of his car,
- 13:35Speaker 13: and I thought, why the hell would you want want
- 13:38Speaker 13: them sort of implements.
- 13:41Speaker 1: Jipass knew exactly what he wanted the implements for. Again,
- 13:46Speaker 1: he targeted a young mother home alone with her baby.
- 13:49Speaker 14: He went to the door and knocked on the door
- 13:51Speaker 14: and said that his car had broken down, and he said,
- 13:54Speaker 14: you know, could I use the phone? And then he
- 13:58Speaker 14: said to this particular when I listen, if you've got
- 14:01Speaker 14: a screwdriver, I should be able to.
- 14:03Speaker 3: Fix it myself.
- 14:03Speaker 14: And of course, while she went and got the screwdriver,
- 14:06Speaker 14: he made entry into the house and as she came back,
- 14:09Speaker 14: he grabbed her around the throat and committed defense.
- 14:14Speaker 1: Within days, Jupaz tried to rape two other local women,
- 14:18Speaker 1: without success.
- 14:20Speaker 14: He knocked on the door saying his car had broken down,
- 14:23Speaker 14: using exactly the same scenario.
- 14:25Speaker 1: By now his car had been identified, but even so
- 14:29Speaker 1: his family still refused to face the Treith.
- 14:33Speaker 14: We went around to Peter Jippers's house in Mount Waverley
- 14:36Speaker 14: and we knocked on the door, and of course we
- 14:40Speaker 14: were greeted by his father. My recollection, as if is
- 14:44Speaker 14: that he went right out of his tree. He started
- 14:47Speaker 14: ranting and raving at her, saying, my son would do
- 14:49Speaker 14: no wrong. And you know, he was terribly resistant to
- 14:54Speaker 14: the fact that we were even there, a little alone,
- 14:56Speaker 14: wanting to have us in any way, shape or form
- 14:59Speaker 14: talk to his son.
- 15:00Speaker 6: And then they arrested Peter and that's when it all
- 15:03Speaker 6: sort of oh gee, nobody could believe it, and.
- 15:06Speaker 13: We're all shocked, you know, we're all with flaberg Ass.
- 15:10Speaker 13: Didn't really think that he was capable of doing that.
- 15:14Speaker 7: It's now clear du Pass will never stop. He attacks
- 15:18Speaker 7: three times in his own neighborhood, increasing the risk he'll
- 15:22Speaker 7: be caught. Although he was capable of carefully planning an assault,
- 15:26Speaker 7: he would also pounce unexpectedly when the opportunity arose. But
- 15:31Speaker 7: this could also indicate you Pass's low intelligence. Serial offenders
- 15:35Speaker 7: with higher IQs tend to attack further from home to
- 15:38Speaker 7: avoid detection.
- 15:42Speaker 14: He struck me as being a real baby faced, pudgy
- 15:47Speaker 14: little boy. If you like and he virtually said nothing.
- 15:51Speaker 14: He had his head home. And I guess the most
- 15:55Speaker 14: unusual thing to me was I and I would never
- 15:58Speaker 14: forget his eyes, the way he looked. He was like
- 16:02Speaker 14: a vacant stare at you when he looked at you,
- 16:05Speaker 14: and those eyes to me was something I'd never encountered before.
- 16:11Speaker 14: I got the feeling many times over during the interview
- 16:15Speaker 14: that Okay, this guy's going to looks as Asian. I
- 16:18Speaker 14: admit something to us, and then it's as though something
- 16:21Speaker 14: came over him and he just straightened himself up and
- 16:24Speaker 14: just would say I wasn't there. I'd deny everything.
- 16:28Speaker 1: In September nineteen seventy four, twenty one year old Peter
- 16:32Speaker 1: Gupaz was convicted of rape and sentenced to nine years.
- 16:37Speaker 3: It was his first time behind bars.
- 16:41Speaker 1: Jewpass was beginning to discover his true self as his
- 16:45Speaker 1: crimes were escalating. His polite manner had most people fooled,
- 16:50Speaker 1: but there was one detective who could see the true
- 16:53Speaker 1: monster within the cold.
- 16:56Speaker 14: Calculating why he went about it the way he was
- 17:00Speaker 14: demeanor during interview, the way he went through the whole
- 17:03Speaker 14: trial process, and how he conducted himself, I thought to
- 17:07Speaker 14: myself this is a person capable of killing, and I
- 17:10Speaker 14: wrote that at the time.
- 17:12Speaker 1: Unfortunately he was right. Jepaz was well on his way
- 17:16Speaker 1: to becoming the killer he always wanted to be. In
- 17:23Speaker 1: late nineteen seventy three, a twenty year old Peter Gupaz
- 17:27Speaker 1: attempted a series of sex attacks on young Melbourne mothers.
- 17:31Speaker 1: He was jailed for the first time, receiving nine years
- 17:34Speaker 1: for the rape of one of the women. Jail was
- 17:37Speaker 1: a place where Jupaz's demons could hide.
- 17:41Speaker 14: To me, he looked like a person with significant psychological
- 17:45Speaker 14: and psychiatric problems that may well have been too deeply said.
- 17:54Speaker 1: In nineteen seventy nine, Jepaz left jail after serving the
- 17:57Speaker 1: minimum term of five years.
- 18:00Speaker 14: I would have suspected that he would have been a
- 18:02Speaker 14: model prisoner. I mean, he was a quiet person. He
- 18:05Speaker 14: wasn't outgoing, he wasn't a person who'd rocked the boat,
- 18:08Speaker 14: he wasn't a person who'd caused trouble, and that he
- 18:10Speaker 14: would have been released probably in the minimum period that
- 18:15Speaker 14: he was required to be held.
- 18:19Speaker 1: Twenty six year old Jupasz returned to live with his parents,
- 18:23Speaker 1: who had begun a new life in Frankston on Victoria's
- 18:26Speaker 1: Mornington Peninsula. After five years of being a passive compliant prisoner,
- 18:35Speaker 1: Jepass had an enormous amount of bottled up frustration which
- 18:38Speaker 1: he was ready to unmash. Within two months of his release,
- 18:45Speaker 1: Gepass embarked on a ten day reign of terror. He
- 18:49Speaker 1: attacked four women. The first he raped in a public
- 18:53Speaker 1: toilet block at Frankston. The other three escaped, but one,
- 18:57Speaker 1: an elderly woman, was stabbed in the chest as she
- 19:01Speaker 1: was trying to fight Ji Pass off.
- 19:04Speaker 15: Whatever may have happened in his past life, right from childhood,
- 19:09Speaker 15: somehow he I think felt inadequate made him feel inadequate.
- 19:18Speaker 16: Rape.
- 19:19Speaker 3: He's not about sex primarily.
- 19:21Speaker 15: It's about the power, humiliation, control, which at least momentarily
- 19:27Speaker 15: probably made him feel powerful and in control and give
- 19:31Speaker 15: him some kind of a temporary thrill.
- 19:34Speaker 7: Although you pass rapes compulsively, this doesn't mean he can't stop.
- 19:38Speaker 7: He just doesn't want to. He's not insane. He knows
- 19:41Speaker 7: what he's doing. Although these rapes are impulsive, there's still
- 19:45Speaker 7: an element of planning, of trying to avoid detection.
- 19:52Speaker 1: Police didn't have to look far to find the sexual
- 19:54Speaker 1: predator responsible for the rac and assaults. By mid nineteen,
- 20:00Speaker 1: the twenty six year old was back behind bars, serving
- 20:03Speaker 1: a six year sentence.
- 20:08Speaker 15: Sex offenders. I think just about non rehabilitable. It's the
- 20:15Speaker 15: most difficult thing to get a person to rehabilitate, and
- 20:20Speaker 15: they ofthant have no inside, no acceptance of responsibility for it.
- 20:27Speaker 14: He obviously wanted to continue committing crimes, and I guess
- 20:31Speaker 14: at the end it seemed like the natural progression of
- 20:34Speaker 14: that hatred was to commit the ultimate crime.
- 20:38Speaker 1: It was February nineteen eighty five. Thirty one year old
- 20:42Speaker 1: Jabez had served five years and was two weeks away
- 20:46Speaker 1: from being officially released. He was out of prison on
- 20:49Speaker 1: a week of pre release leave when a woman was
- 20:52Speaker 1: found beaten to death.
- 20:54Speaker 17: The body of Helen McMahon was discovered in sand dunes
- 20:57Speaker 17: five hundred meters from the Dundas Street car Park. A
- 21:01Speaker 17: post mortem this morning revealed that she died as a
- 21:03Speaker 17: result of massive head injuries.
- 21:04Speaker 11: The woman was.
- 21:05Speaker 18: Last seen alive here at the Rye shopping Center at
- 21:07Speaker 18: about twelve o'clock yesterday. However, her movements after then and
- 21:11Speaker 18: before the discovery of her body are still a mystery,
- 21:13Speaker 18: and police are appealing to the public for assistance.
- 21:17Speaker 1: It was a number of years before investigators discovered Jupass
- 21:20Speaker 1: was on pre release leave and living in the Rye
- 21:23Speaker 1: area at the time of the murder. Although never charged,
- 21:28Speaker 1: police believed Dupasz to be the killer.
- 21:32Speaker 14: I'm quite sure that his name would have crossed the
- 21:35Speaker 14: lips of a number of homicide detectives in dealing with
- 21:39Speaker 14: unsolved murders against women.
- 21:43Speaker 1: Just four days after his official release in early nineteen
- 21:46Speaker 1: eighty five, Gupaz headed straight to a beach near the
- 21:49Speaker 1: scene of Helen McMahon's murder. There he stalked then raped
- 21:54Speaker 1: a twenty one year old woman. He was back behind
- 21:58Speaker 1: bars just before his thirty second path day, having been
- 22:01Speaker 1: convicted of rape for the third time.
- 22:04Speaker 15: I have to understand that the system over the years
- 22:07Speaker 15: has really tried to help it. There were any number
- 22:11Speaker 15: of professionals, psychiatrists, psychologists, psychotherapists. He was part of a
- 22:16Speaker 15: sex offenders group in Pentridges and he would exasperate the
- 22:21Speaker 15: psychotherapist where he would pretend to be interested, only later
- 22:27Speaker 15: to find out that he was just pretending, literally just
- 22:29Speaker 15: doing that.
- 22:31Speaker 7: Psychopaths are evasive and cunning. They're experts at telling therapists
- 22:36Speaker 7: what they think they want to hear, and of twisting
- 22:38Speaker 7: what they learn in therapy to further their own ends.
- 22:42Speaker 7: People like you pass would simply use therapy to work
- 22:45Speaker 7: out how to fake better and learn what might hurt
- 22:48Speaker 7: someone else the most. It's rare for his mask to slip.
- 22:52Speaker 7: The monster within is reserved only for those at the
- 22:55Speaker 7: other end of his knife.
- 22:58Speaker 1: Jail contained repressed the monster within, and there seemed only
- 23:03Speaker 1: one way out for Jupasz's extreme frustration in Pendridge's Psychiatric
- 23:09Speaker 1: G Division. He attempted suicide twice, but soon the possibility
- 23:14Speaker 1: of escape presented itself. Her name was Claire.
- 23:19Speaker 19: Peter was working in the laundry part of Pintrich at
- 23:24Speaker 19: time GE Division, and.
- 23:27Speaker 20: He let himself go really badly, and I had to
- 23:31Speaker 20: talk to him and asked him why he was reacting
- 23:36Speaker 20: his acting like this, and it was very obvious from
- 23:40Speaker 20: our conversation that he was deeply depressed.
- 23:43Speaker 1: Claire was a psychiatric nurse and sixteen years older than Jipaz.
- 23:48Speaker 3: She thought she could turn his life around.
- 23:51Speaker 19: He would talk to me about everyday things or how
- 23:54Speaker 19: he was feeling, you know, physically, or he been having
- 24:00Speaker 19: that dream so Nightmas whatever.
- 24:04Speaker 1: Claire took Gepaz under her wing, and, sensing a golden opportunity,
- 24:08Speaker 1: he made an extraordinary proposal to her. Was Peter Gepaz
- 24:13Speaker 1: finally putting an end to his evil ways or was
- 24:16Speaker 1: he just drawing Claire into his manipulative games. In nineteen
- 24:24Speaker 1: eighty five, thirty two year old Peter Gipaz was serving
- 24:27Speaker 1: twelve years for his third rape conviction in Pentridge jail.
- 24:33Speaker 1: He met Claire, a kindly nurse sixteen years his senior.
- 24:38Speaker 1: Sensing an opportunity, he formed an attachment to her, eventually
- 24:42Speaker 1: proposing marriage.
- 24:44Speaker 19: He always worried that, you know, he was going to
- 24:47Speaker 19: be forty and there has been no one waiting for
- 24:48Speaker 19: him at the gate.
- 24:50Speaker 1: Claire accepted Gepasz's proposal, and in August nineteen eighty seven,
- 24:55Speaker 1: when Jepass was thirty four, the pair married in Castlemaine Prison.
- 25:01Speaker 19: I felt had an obligation to see him through, at
- 25:05Speaker 19: least through his time in prison, and then always hoping
- 25:10Speaker 19: that when he was released that you know, we see
- 25:15Speaker 19: the other side of him, that he would become more
- 25:20Speaker 19: masculine and take more responsibility. But that didn't happen.
- 25:29Speaker 1: It would be almost five years before they would live
- 25:32Speaker 1: together as.
- 25:33Speaker 3: Husband and wife.
- 25:35Speaker 1: The couple eventually set up house on his release in
- 25:38Speaker 1: March nineteen ninety two in the quiet Macedon Rangers north
- 25:42Speaker 1: of Melbourne.
- 25:44Speaker 3: Although consummated, this was never going to be a normal marriage.
- 25:49Speaker 1: Jipass was thirty nine years old and about to live
- 25:52Speaker 1: with a woman for the first time since leaving his
- 25:54Speaker 1: mother's side.
- 25:56Speaker 19: Was it a mother's son relationship. It was really nice
- 26:00Speaker 19: intimacy and in some ways this is something I'm very
- 26:03Speaker 19: thankful for that I didn't have to put up with,
- 26:06Speaker 19: you know, their molestedy in bed or whatever.
- 26:11Speaker 9: She was very possessive of me.
- 26:13Speaker 19: Yes, so you didn't, like, say, if any of my
- 26:17Speaker 19: family did come, he had to be right there listening
- 26:21Speaker 19: to a free word. And not that we wouldn't be
- 26:24Speaker 19: talking about him, but you know, he had to be
- 26:27Speaker 19: the number one.
- 26:28Speaker 1: After twenty months of living together, Clare believed her husband
- 26:33Speaker 1: was reformed. She wasn't even suspicious when a woman was
- 26:37Speaker 1: stabbed to death in nearby Sunbury.
- 26:39Speaker 12: A neighboring shopkeeper found Ranita Brunton's body in the rear
- 26:43Speaker 12: of her recycle fashion shop around five o'clock yesterday afternoon.
- 26:48Speaker 12: The murder has unsettled the small community.
- 26:51Speaker 19: I would plead to the person perhaps who has done this,
- 26:54Speaker 19: to think about what they've done, and you need help.
- 26:58Speaker 1: Years later, a task force would be established to investigate
- 27:02Speaker 1: links between Jepasz and unsolved murders, particularly those involving women
- 27:07Speaker 1: who had been stabbed. Police now believe Rnita Brunton was
- 27:12Speaker 1: Gepass's second murder victim. It was Christmas nineteen ninety three,
- 27:18Speaker 1: two months after Nita his murder. Claire had to work
- 27:22Speaker 1: overnight at the local nursing home. Gewpass became inconsolable. He panicked,
- 27:28Speaker 1: insisting he joined her.
- 27:32Speaker 19: It was just sort of standing between me and the door,
- 27:34Speaker 19: and I said, look, I said, were you just place?
- 27:39Speaker 19: Just got out from under my feet. I sauld just
- 27:42Speaker 19: go and do something, anything, but get out from under
- 27:45Speaker 19: my feet. You're driving me crazy. And we came home
- 27:48Speaker 19: that night and then he went down to the shed
- 27:53Speaker 19: and he had prepared everything in the shed to say
- 27:57Speaker 19: he was going fishing, and it showed me with these
- 28:00Speaker 19: sticks in his tongue, he was going to transform.
- 28:03Speaker 1: Gupaz packed the car with everything he needed to commit
- 28:06Speaker 1: a murder, knives, a bella clava, a plastic sheet and
- 28:11Speaker 1: a shovel. The next morning, he left home his pockets
- 28:15Speaker 1: stuffed with handcuffs, masking tape and condoms, but instead of
- 28:19Speaker 1: going fishing at Trentam, he headed to nearby Lake epper Loch.
- 28:24Speaker 19: So he had made up his mind the night before
- 28:28Speaker 19: that what he was going to do.
- 28:30Speaker 1: Gipass entered the toilet block of the local caravan park.
- 28:35Speaker 1: He forced his way into a cubicle and held a
- 28:38Speaker 1: young woman captive. She managed to fight him off, and
- 28:42Speaker 1: Gepaz fled the scene with the woman's friends in pursuit.
- 28:46Speaker 3: His car lost control and he was arrested.
- 28:50Speaker 19: I just can't tell you how bad I felt. It
- 28:53Speaker 19: was just the worst, worse feeling, you know. I just
- 28:57Speaker 19: couldn't stop crying. I cried, just and cried two days.
- 29:00Speaker 19: I just couldn't. I couldn't get myself together at all.
- 29:05Speaker 1: Claire filed for divorce. She never saw her husband again.
- 29:11Speaker 7: How do men like Japaz manage to find a partner
- 29:14Speaker 7: when they've already been convicted of such terrible crimes? While
- 29:18Speaker 7: Dupasz learned early that presenting as a helpless, naive boy
- 29:21Speaker 7: would attract certain people to him, namely women who want
- 29:25Speaker 7: to mother him. These women become tangled in a rescue fantasy,
- 29:29Speaker 7: believing that they could be the one person to fix him.
- 29:32Speaker 7: If they gave him enough love and guidance, he'd be cured.
- 29:36Speaker 7: Fortunately for Claire, this was not a fatal mistake, as
- 29:39Speaker 7: it has been for others who've married serial killers.
- 29:44Speaker 1: Despite his history and all the evidence, Jupaz was only
- 29:48Speaker 1: charged with false imprisonment for the Lake Epiloc attack. He
- 29:52Speaker 1: was sentenced to just three years and nine months. Gupaz
- 29:57Speaker 1: was now forty one years old, been in jail for
- 30:01Speaker 1: seventeen of his last twenty years, Having gotten away with
- 30:05Speaker 1: murder twice, He would soon be looking for his next victim.
- 30:13Speaker 1: By September nineteen ninety six, forty three year old Peter
- 30:16Speaker 1: Gipass had finished his fourth jail sentence. He'd spent twenty
- 30:20Speaker 1: years in jail for sexual offenses. Each time he'd been
- 30:24Speaker 1: released from prison, Gepass had moved to a different area
- 30:28Speaker 1: of Melbourne when no one knew of his past. Then
- 30:32Speaker 1: the attacks against women would begin again. Gepaz created a
- 30:37Speaker 1: web of terror, and still he got away with it.
- 30:41Speaker 6: Look, it embarrassed his family, no end. You know that
- 30:45Speaker 6: the parents actually moved into State and his fail basically
- 30:52Speaker 6: died before his time, no doubt the stress of the
- 30:56Speaker 6: whole thing.
- 30:59Speaker 1: Within a few he was living in Melbourne's northern suburbs.
- 31:03Speaker 1: He found work in a Salvation Army joinery workshop for
- 31:07Speaker 1: former prisoners.
- 31:09Speaker 4: I first met Peter in about nine and ninety six.
- 31:12Speaker 4: I think it was my husband at the time was
- 31:15Speaker 4: working where Peter had been released from jail, and they
- 31:19Speaker 4: were working together, and Peter and my husband struck up
- 31:24Speaker 4: a friendship.
- 31:25Speaker 15: And was the first time I thought he had truly
- 31:30Speaker 15: perhaps made an attempt at changing his life. He was
- 31:34Speaker 15: more sure of himself, and then there was a reduction
- 31:38Speaker 15: in anxiety. So that made me think that perhaps, you know,
- 31:43Speaker 15: there's a process of my duration has taken place, and
- 31:47Speaker 15: let's give.
- 31:48Speaker 3: Him a chance.
- 31:49Speaker 4: Oh yeah, he had everyone for it was just he
- 31:53Speaker 4: was just so nice. He was polite, he was nice.
- 31:55Speaker 4: Everybody thought he was lovely.
- 31:58Speaker 1: J you pass successfully hit the truth that his violent past.
- 32:01Speaker 1: From his new circle of friends. He even found another
- 32:05Speaker 1: girlfriend who typically took on the mother role in his life.
- 32:09Speaker 4: She's very domineering and demanding and he did whatever she said.
- 32:15Speaker 1: Gupasz's living girlfriend left for a long overseas holiday in
- 32:19Speaker 1: September nineteen ninety seven, he became unhinged and obsessively called
- 32:25Speaker 1: a succession of escort agencies, massage parlors, and phone sex services.
- 32:32Speaker 1: Then he prepared himself for a frenzy of violent crime
- 32:36Speaker 1: worse than anything that had come before.
- 32:39Speaker 21: Prostitute Margaret Maher was found dumped off the Hume Highway
- 32:42Speaker 21: at Somerton in October nineteen ninety seven, just hours after
- 32:46Speaker 21: she was seen in a broad Meadow supermarket.
- 32:49Speaker 1: Gepasz's victim worked as a prostitute. Just one straight away
- 32:53Speaker 1: from Gepasz's house.
- 32:55Speaker 21: A forty year old was under a cardboard sheet, her
- 32:58Speaker 21: clothing partially removed. The body had been mutilated. The left
- 33:02Speaker 21: breast had been completely severed.
- 33:04Speaker 1: The mutilations would become a vital clue to solving this murder.
- 33:09Speaker 1: Police began piecing together a pattern of attack, helping them
- 33:12Speaker 1: identify characteristics of the vicious killer.
- 33:17Speaker 7: Killers like Dupass lead their psychological fingerprints at the scene.
- 33:21Speaker 7: This is their signature behavior, something a killer does to
- 33:24Speaker 7: satisfy his emotional needs. For Dupass, this was the slashing
- 33:28Speaker 7: of the victim's breasts and thighs, whether they were alive
- 33:31Speaker 7: or dead.
- 33:34Speaker 1: Peter Dupas was still on the hunt. For several weeks,
- 33:38Speaker 1: he'd been stalking women in Melbourne's Vast Forkner Cemetery in
- 33:42Speaker 1: an area near his grandfather's grave. Then, on the afternoon
- 33:48Speaker 1: of All Saints' Day, November first, he went into the
- 33:51Speaker 1: cemetery with murder on his mind.
- 33:54Speaker 3: Twenty five year.
- 33:55Speaker 22: Old bank officer Mersina hal Vargas was reported missing at
- 33:58Speaker 22: too this morning when she didn't come home from the cemetery.
- 34:02Speaker 22: Police made the grim discovery soon after. The victim's body
- 34:05Speaker 22: was found face up between the headstones only meet us
- 34:08Speaker 22: from her grandmother's grave.
- 34:10Speaker 1: Messina hal Vargas had been paying her respects at her
- 34:13Speaker 1: grandmother's grave when Gepaz attacked and stabbed her violently in
- 34:17Speaker 1: the chest. The horror of Messina's murder shook Melbourne, and
- 34:22Speaker 1: women feared for their lives. No one could imagine anything worse,
- 34:27Speaker 1: but Gupass's next move would be beyond comprehension.
- 34:31Speaker 23: Detectives door knocking the quiet neighborhood in a bid to
- 34:34Speaker 23: solve the puzzle behind the brutal murder of the nursing
- 34:38Speaker 23: home's leading light, Kathleen Downs. The ninety five year old's
- 34:42Speaker 23: body was found in the room she'd lived in for
- 34:44Speaker 23: eight years.
- 34:45Speaker 1: Police traced phone calls from Gupass to the nursing home
- 34:49Speaker 1: where the bubbly grandmother, Kathleen Downs lived. The callous murder
- 34:53Speaker 1: of Missus Downs remains unsolved, but police believed Gepass is responsible.
- 35:00Speaker 1: The sickening pattern of Gepass's crimes was slowly emerging, but sadly,
- 35:05Speaker 1: it would take the life of another young woman to
- 35:08Speaker 1: finally bring the killer undone. The city of Melbourne was
- 35:15Speaker 1: gripped by terror, with reports of stalking, rape and ultimately
- 35:20Speaker 1: three horrific yet unsolved murders.
- 35:24Speaker 3: Women feared for their safety.
- 35:27Speaker 1: Over a period of three months beginning in October nineteen
- 35:30Speaker 1: ninety seven, Peter Gipaz is believed to have murdered three
- 35:33Speaker 1: women in the city of Melbourne.
- 35:35Speaker 21: The forty year old was under a cardboard sheet, her
- 35:38Speaker 21: clothing partially removed.
- 35:40Speaker 16: The body Seena haw Vargas was killed at Fokda Cemetery
- 35:43Speaker 16: in November nineteen ninety seven.
- 35:45Speaker 13: The twenty four Missus Downs was lying in a pool
- 35:47Speaker 13: of blood next to the bed in her single room
- 35:50Speaker 13: at the front of the Brunswick Special Accommodation Home.
- 35:53Speaker 3: No one knew where the killer would strike next.
- 35:56Speaker 16: It's very scared, very scared.
- 36:00Speaker 1: Jupaz targeted psychotherapist Nicki Patterson through a professional ad placed
- 36:05Speaker 1: in the local newspaper. He booked a session with her
- 36:08Speaker 1: for the Monday morning of April the nineteenth, nineteen ninety nine.
- 36:14Speaker 2: Nicki was just a lovely, fun loving, very intelligent child.
- 36:22Speaker 2: She was very passionate and compassionate. But believe Dupis was
- 36:29Speaker 2: probably Nicky's first client from the advertisement, and she had
- 36:34Speaker 2: never met him before. He wasn't known to her. She'd
- 36:38Speaker 2: had probably a couple of phone conversations. He'd rung her
- 36:42Speaker 2: house probably sixteen times, and it was more stalking to
- 36:47Speaker 2: ascertain whether she was home alone, when she was home,
- 36:52Speaker 2: and when it was safe for him to have an
- 36:54Speaker 2: appointment with her. Because he only had one idea in
- 36:58Speaker 2: his head.
- 36:59Speaker 1: That day, Japaz left home at eight in the morning.
- 37:03Speaker 1: He arrived at Nicky's and she ushered him into the
- 37:05Speaker 1: front room, leaving her dog Bella outside. Gipas was scared
- 37:10Speaker 1: of dogs, and this would prove a fateful move.
- 37:13Speaker 2: I think he was professional. She would never have the
- 37:16Speaker 2: dog in the house, of course, when she' was seeing
- 37:18Speaker 2: a client.
- 37:20Speaker 1: When she returned with two cups of coffee. Gipass attacked her.
- 37:25Speaker 1: He stabbed her in the chest and back twenty seven times.
- 37:29Speaker 1: Then he cut off her breasts.
- 37:32Speaker 2: He used a false name and he used a false number.
- 37:35Speaker 2: Those details were in a diary of Nicky's and Jupis.
- 37:41Speaker 2: Even though he did go through the house, he missed them,
- 37:44Speaker 2: so he did his best to disguise the crime, but
- 37:48Speaker 2: not enough. On the Thursday night, it was three days
- 37:54Speaker 2: after Nicki was found, the detective rang me and said,
- 37:58Speaker 2: we have made a rest. The name is Peter Jupis.
- 38:03Speaker 2: He has a history, he's a serial rapist. And then
- 38:08Speaker 2: he rang back six hours later to say that he'd
- 38:10Speaker 2: been charged.
- 38:13Speaker 7: Nicole Pattison's calculated murder shows the depth of Dupasses inner fury.
- 38:18Speaker 7: He stabbed her twenty seven times. Such a frenzied attack
- 38:23Speaker 7: is known as overkill, creating far more injuries than are
- 38:26Speaker 7: needed to cause death. Overkill is the result of cumulative rage,
- 38:31Speaker 7: extreme anger, and frustration that dupass kept hidden until he
- 38:35Speaker 7: had his victims alone and helpless.
- 38:40Speaker 16: Pain and loss showed on the faces of those who
- 38:42Speaker 16: were there to remember their friend, Nicki Patterson, who had
- 38:45Speaker 16: been taken away from them.
- 38:46Speaker 3: So suddenly the.
- 38:47Speaker 2: Dog that she and when she died went to her funeral,
- 38:51Speaker 2: that was a baby, and they recall, you know, when
- 38:58Speaker 2: when Nicki's name was Bella would bark, and when they
- 39:02Speaker 2: took Mickey away, Bella howled.
- 39:10Speaker 1: On August fifteenth, two thousand, Petter Gupaz was sentenced to
- 39:14Speaker 1: life imprisonment for Nicole Pattison's murder. Incredibly, he would appeal
- 39:19Speaker 1: his sentence several times.
- 39:22Speaker 2: When you saw Jupis at the trial, I don't believe
- 39:27Speaker 2: I would have looked twice at him in the street.
- 39:29Speaker 8: I looked at this person the first time.
- 39:31Speaker 3: I thought, Ah, you couldn't have known.
- 39:34Speaker 2: You could never look Dupius in the eye. He would
- 39:36Speaker 2: come out from the door into the courtroom and he
- 39:40Speaker 2: would never make eye contact with anyone.
- 39:44Speaker 1: Keeping a close eye on Nicole Patterson's trial was the
- 39:47Speaker 1: family of Messina Helvagas. Messina's parents had long suspected that
- 39:54Speaker 1: Jupas had killed their daughter. In two thousand and one,
- 40:00Speaker 1: Victorian police set up Task Force Mercado to investigate Dupass
- 40:04Speaker 1: over several unsolved murders. In October two thousand and two,
- 40:09Speaker 1: he was charged with the murder of prostitute.
- 40:12Speaker 21: Margaret mar Experts found only one other case involving a
- 40:17Speaker 21: similar mutilation. The jury heard the victim was psychotherapist Nicole Pattison,
- 40:23Speaker 21: who was stabbed to death in her North Get home.
- 40:25Speaker 21: The person who mutilated her is the same person who
- 40:29Speaker 21: mutilated Margaret ma That is Peter Dupas, the prosecution claimed.
- 40:33Speaker 21: Duwpass has pleaded not guilty.
- 40:36Speaker 1: On August eleventh, two thousand and four, Peter Gupasz was
- 40:40Speaker 1: sentenced to a second life term for the murder of
- 40:43Speaker 1: Margaret Maher. Meanwhile, the family of Messina hal Vargas still
- 40:48Speaker 1: waited for justice.
- 40:50Speaker 15: I don't think he has the capacity to fully own
- 40:53Speaker 15: up to such a crime. Two because to really take
- 41:00Speaker 15: four responsibility for it, you have to conclude to yourself
- 41:04Speaker 15: it's your monster.
- 41:07Speaker 1: This man, who never confessed his shocking crimes to police,
- 41:11Speaker 1: was to do so to an unlikely character he met
- 41:13Speaker 1: in prison. A fellow inmate and disbarred.
- 41:17Speaker 24: Lawyer Andrew Fraser says Peter dup has confessed numerous times
- 41:21Speaker 24: to killing Mercina hel Vargas and Forkner Cemetery ten years ago.
- 41:25Speaker 1: Andrew Fraser's testimony sealed the killer's fate. The public outrage
- 41:30Speaker 1: over the murder of Messina hel Vargas was intense. In
- 41:34Speaker 1: an unusual move, the judge allowed a camera into his
- 41:37Speaker 1: courtroom when he sentenced to pass in August two thousand
- 41:41Speaker 1: and seven for the.
- 41:42Speaker 3: Murder of a sin hal Varkas. I sentenced due to
- 41:44Speaker 3: life imprisonment.
- 41:45Speaker 14: I refused to set any minimum term.
- 41:47Speaker 3: Life means life. Remove the prisoner.
- 41:51Speaker 24: A ten year crusade by a grieving family vindicated in
- 41:55Speaker 24: one word, guilty.
- 41:57Speaker 3: I always believe that I'll come to these.
- 42:00Speaker 1: Peter Dupaz will never get out of jail. He's been
- 42:03Speaker 1: convicted of three murders, but police believe he's committed at
- 42:07Speaker 1: least six.
- 42:09Speaker 2: I don't believe there was ever a chance of rehabilitation
- 42:12Speaker 2: for Peter Dupis. I believe he was born the way
- 42:14Speaker 2: he is as a psychopath.
- 42:18Speaker 14: It's very unfortunate to say that a person doesn't or
- 42:21Speaker 14: shouldn't deserve to be on this earth, but I guess
- 42:23Speaker 14: he'd be one that I'd have to say would fit
- 42:25Speaker 14: that category.
- 42:28Speaker 7: The case of Peter Dupasz raises many important and frightening questions. Firstly,
- 42:34Speaker 7: can a child be born evil? I don't believe so,
- 42:38Speaker 7: but there is evidence that children can be born with
- 42:40Speaker 7: a reduced ability to empathize with others and increased capacity
- 42:44Speaker 7: for violence. So when we identify those characteristics in a child,
- 42:49Speaker 7: what can be done. While therapy with young children who
- 42:52Speaker 7: are showing signs of disturbed behavior is critical because if
- 42:55Speaker 7: these problems aren't addressed early, there's little we can do.
- 43:00Speaker 7: Virtually no evidence at the present time that we can
- 43:02Speaker 7: cure an adult psychopath. And in the case of peter'd
- 43:06Speaker 7: your pass, there's one question we can answer, if we
- 43:10Speaker 7: let him out, will he kill again? The answer is yes.
- 43:30Speaker 3: To everyone.
- 43:31Speaker 18: She was an ordinary country mom, Casa and Knight might
- 43:33Speaker 18: have been the most evil woman to overwalk the planet.
- 43:36Speaker 3: Last three years, worst female killer.
- 43:38Speaker 10: It's just unimaginable what the police saw that day.
- 43:42Speaker 3: Now the inside truth. If I can't have your father,
- 43:45Speaker 3: and nobody else will have you either. He knew it
- 43:48Speaker 3: was going to happen. Why and everyday Mum became an
- 43:52Speaker 3: infamous killer? Do you call you saw on you beyond
- 43:57Speaker 3: the dark Lands? Next Monday,